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Questions on The Holocaust Anonymous 08-10-26 20:20:06 No.2928633

Questions on The Holocaust

This is not a holocaust denial thread
This is not a holocaust revisionism thread
I have multiple questions that came to mind when reading an exchange from this thread: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2924947.html
Here is an (abridged) exchange between two anons:

Anon A:
>"the holocaust" refers to the nazi genocides against slavic peoples as well as jews, not just the genocide against the jews.
Anon B:
<Wrong. The Jews are always the center of the Holocaust narrative.

This raises the first question. Descriptively, does the phrase "The Holocaust" refer only to the genocide against the jews of Europe, or does it also include the related and overlapping genocides against other groups like Slavs, Romani, Poles, as well as the mass murder of political groups like Communists?

Another exchange in that thread can be abridged as follows:

Anon C:
>nobody really gave a shit about the Holocaust back then either. People only became obsessed with the Holocaust around the 1960s because of Jewish-Zionist psyops.
Anon D:
<yes they did. 100 years from now people like you will be saying nobody gave a shit about palestinian genocide until 2050. but that won't make it true.

This raises the second question. Did people actually care about The Holocaust when it was a contemporary and ongoing event, or did nobody really care until the 1960s?

Personally I think evidence leans towards "The Holocaust" referring to all the nazi mass murder, and not just the jews, though I am open to persuasion.

Furthermore I think people did care about it when it was a contemporary event, and the soviets seem proud of their work in liberating the concentration camps, as well as the Nazi-occupied countries like Belarus, Poland and Ukraine.

Anonymous 08-10-26 20:22:32 No.2928637

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>>2928633
>Descriptively, does the phrase "The Holocaust" refer only to the genocide against the jews of Europe, or does it also include the related and overlapping genocides against other groups like Slavs, Romani, Poles, as well as the mass murder of political groups like Communists?

The latter. Obviously the latter. It's zionazi revisionism that anyone disputes this.

Anonymous 08-10-26 20:23:09 No.2928638

>>2928633
>Did people actually care about The Holocaust when it was a contemporary and ongoing event, or did nobody really care until the 1960s?
Obviously they did or nobody would have fought Hitler.

Anonymous 08-10-26 21:13:00 No.2928665

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>Anon A-B
whether the holocaust includes non-jewish victims depends on who you ask. ultimately, i feel it doesnt matter because outside of neo-nazis and jewish-supremacists, very few people actually deny the nazi persecutions and killings of non-jewish minority groups–those that dont consider non-jewish persecutions to be part of the holocaust typically consider them genocides in their own right (the killings of the roma and sinti are often referred to as the Porajmos, for example).
>Anon C-D
anon C is clearly taking this idea from Norman Finkelstein's The Holocaust Industry, though he is either misunderstanding or distorting it. Finkelstein didnt claim that nobody cared about the holocaust until the 1960s–he claimed that the centrality of the holocaust in the (specifically american) public imagination of ww2 didnt come about until then.

Anonymous 08-10-26 21:17:26 No.2928667

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>>2928665
>outside of neo-nazis and jewish-supremacists, very few people actually deny the nazi persecutions and killings of non-jewish minority groups

trvthnvke

Anonymous 08-10-26 21:21:01 No.2928677

>>2928665
>Finkelstein didnt claim that nobody cared about the holocaust until the 1960s–he claimed that the centrality of the holocaust in the (specifically american) public imagination of ww2 didnt come about until then.
So they didn't care as much.

Anonymous 08-10-26 21:27:17 No.2928683

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>>2928667
Anyways, back on planet Earth.

Anonymous 08-10-26 22:25:04 No.2928715

>>2928677
>if you move the goalposts so that you are only talking about americans, and you change "didn't care at all" to "didn't care as much" then ackshually this anon was correct

Anonymous 08-10-26 22:32:28 No.2928721

>>2928715
Well, the Soviets didn't really care either. And if they "didn't care as much," we may as well just call a spade a spade and say they didn't really care at all.

Anonymous 08-10-26 23:42:48 No.2928772

>>2928721
>the soviets didn't care about the holocaust that literally targeted them
hahaha

Anonymous 09-10-26 00:00:12 No.2928790

>>2928772
Yeah, they didn't care about the Jews either. Stalin was cacaing on those rootless cosmopolitan Jews during the 1940s and 1950s.

Anonymous 09-10-26 00:08:09 No.2928799

>>2928790
the holocaust targeted the USSR primarily

Anonymous 09-10-26 00:09:03 No.2928800

>>2928790
>20 years of hitler screeching about judeobolsheviks and building up a war machine to destroy the USSR
versus
>umm shut up goy the holocaust was only about jews, ummm fucking antisemitic stalin and ummm fucking rootless cosmopolitans proves it!!!!

Anonymous 09-10-26 00:12:00 No.2928803

>>2928799
No, it didn't lol. Half the dead Jews were Polish.
>>2928800
Yes, the Holocaust was centrally about Jews. That's the historical consensus. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that consensus, but that's just what it is. Take it up with Holocaust historians like Raul Hilberg, not me.

Anonymous 09-10-26 02:51:18 No.2928896

>>2928803
every single soviet citizen killed in operation barbarossa is part of the holocaust

Anonymous 09-10-26 02:53:29 No.2928897

>>2928803
>Yes, the Holocaust was centrally about Jews.
nope that's the zionazi consensus.
nazis: we were just killing the jewish bankers n shit
zios: oy vey it was all about us poor jews, there were no other victims

everyone else recognizes slav, communist, romani, gay, etc were also targeted

Anonymous 09-10-26 03:19:53 No.2928902

>>2928897
So Raul Hilberg is a "zionazi?"
The Destruction of the European Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destruction_of_the_European_Jews
<The Destruction of the European Jews is a 1961 book by historian Raul Hilberg. Hilberg revised his work in 1985, and it appeared in a new three-volume edition. It is largely held to be the first comprehensive historical study of the Holocaust. According to Holocaust historian, Michael R. Marrus (The Holocaust in History), until the book appeared, little information about the genocide of the Jews by Nazi Germany had "reached the wider public" in both the West and the East, and even in pertinent scholarly studies it was "scarcely mentioned or only mentioned in passing as one more atrocity in a particularly cruel war".
<Hilberg's "landmark synthesis, based on a masterful reading of German documents", soon led to a massive array of writings and debates, both scholarly and popular, on the Holocaust. Two works which preceded Hilberg's by a decade, but remained little known in their time, were Léon Poliakov's Bréviaire de la haine (Harvest of Hate), published in 1951, and Gerald Reitlinger's The Final Solution, published in 1953.[1]
<Discussing the writing of Destruction in his autobiography, Hilberg wrote: "No literature could serve me as an example. The destruction of the Jews was an unprecedented occurrence, a primordial act that had not been imagined before it burst forth. The Germans had no model for their deed, and I did not have one for my narrative."

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