/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>bio conservative
Conservatives will have died out by the time post-humanism is a thing.
>This is especially going to play out if AI and tech dont turn out to be duds.
They’re duds

>>2928679
I think a lot of people you're placing under the bio-conservative label would be fine with genetic and cybernetic modification.

>taking culture war nonsense at face value
politics is about class
proof: whatever "sides" you have made in your head will kill you in agreement if you try to expropriate their stuff

that's really been the core debate in politics since the very beginning, whether we are supposed to be a society of humans or a society of gods and beasts. all of the "post-humanism" rhetoric conveniently omits any mention of the people who cannot or will not ascend to the superhuman level, because their obvious fate is to be reduced to subhuman animals, enslaved cattle at best and exterminated vermin at worst. and if they are all exterminated, then the remaining superhuman category will naturally split into two tiers of superhumanity because fundamental logic does not allow for sticks with only one end, so ultimately what we really get is just a species that becomes increasingly cruel and increasingly effective at inflicting its cruelty upon itself and the universe, and this is called human progress.

>>2928679
It's gonna be so cringe when live gene editing let's people become irl furries and video game characters, on the other hand it will obliterate race discourse, so that's something I guess.

>>2929387
Why is that more cringe than the existing body modifications available right now like tattoos, piercings, scarification, hrt, srs, or a skin graft?

>>2929389
Carnie culture is cringe too but you get called a fuddy duddy reactionary if you complain about it. In the future the people who cringe at irl furries will be called flesh fascists or something.

>>2929405
Cringe is nothing more than human authenticity, living in fear of cringe is being afraid of being fully yourself, a fear of vulnerability

fuck flesh porky
fuck robo porky

>>2929413
You forgot fleshroboporky oh no he’s taking over aahhhhhh

>>2929407
Except carnie culture is cringe because it's NOT authentic, unless the person was in the military or a gang. It's normal domesticated people trying to seem tough or special. Somewhat related, hunter-gather tribes have some crazy body mods, scarification rituals, piercings, and so on, but that's in a completely different context. They're not lame suburbanites or office workers riding harleys. They actually hunt and fight and have an actual community instead of a bunch of random consumers.

I remember some commentator who said that caring about authenticity was the 1st step toward fascism, or something. But the fascists were cringe larpers too.

>>2929405
>In the future the people who cringe at irl furries will be called flesh fascists or something.

based, nobody who hates furries has good politics/is a good person in general

>nick land pseudointellectualism
>the future of politics isn't left vs right
top kek, oldfriend! one more and it's the worst leftypol post ever made, i say…

>>2930000
Posts exactly like this have been made every week since the 8chan days though

>>2928679
I'm pro-tech but I think we need to organize and arm the robots

>>2929623
>based, nobody who hates furries has good politics/is a good person in general
This. April Furs Day was the date the 4chan would go down the inevitable road of becoming a Nazi hell-site.

>>2928819
On the other hand, our normative ideas of humanity, of what it means to be human, often exclude actual people from that category in practice. We reject tangible flesh and blood in favor of idealizations.

>>2928755
/thread

>>2928819
>because their obvious fate is to be reduced to subhuman animals, enslaved cattle at best and exterminated vermin at worst. and if they are all exterminated, then the remaining superhuman category will naturally split into two tiers of superhumanity

You are a burgoid or burgoid brained kill yourself idealist.

what if I want the good part of tech

>toilets
>running water
>ac
>not having to hunt for my food/supermarkets
>instant information and wikipedia

without the bad part

>AI
>chuds
>rampant unemployment
>housing prices

>>2929623
I don't hate them, but I largely find their visual art both garish and juvenile. I just prefer not to be around it, full stop. Don't @ me, theres no argument to be had.

>>2934320
The logic of technique won't allow it.

>>2928679
more correct than incorrect, but ultimately this maps quite neatly onto left vs right, you just confabulate different elements. e.g. the left is generally pro-transgender (biologically accelerationist) but anti-AI (technologically conservative) while the right is generally the inverse. there's also a strong correlation with age. (e.g. boomers hate transgender people and love AI slop and tend to be right-wing, young people are the opposite.) dissenters from this pattern are mostly irrelevant and occasionally, when not irrelevant, just counter intuitive. (e.g. UK labour would claim to be centre-left but has functionally been more right-wing than the previous conservative government, driven mostly by status quo economic management + reactionary cultural and foreign policy positions.)

>>2928755
counterpoint: much of bourgeois politics is utterly incoherent through conventional class analysis. e.g. the conservatives, the party of the british bourgeoisie and aristocracy supported by the comfortably off, have managed to kneecap their status as the natural party of government by pivoting to becoming a party of pensioners with a lumpen wing. labour, meanwhile, instead of putting together the obvious coalition of the actually existing working class who just want a government at least rhetorically committed to improving their lives + domestic bourgeoisie who just want competent administration of their regulated looting of the state + international bourgeoisie who want some investment stability, instead immediately pivoted to reaction to pander to those same pensioners and lumen.

in the US more prominently, donald trump has overseen reasonable amounts of arbitrary expropriation. the US government owns 10% of intel, bullied AMD and nVidia into giving them a revenue sharing deal, and bullied US steel into giving them a golden share. a full explanation of this and all the class interests at play would take too long, but suffice to say so far he's gotten off scot free with expropriating their stuff.

one shouldn't take culture war nonsense at face value, but nor should one dismiss all the correlations it throws up. what type of soda someone drinks can tell you a lot about them, and getting people to shift brands isn't as trivial as you might think.

>the future of politics isnt left vs right, but bio conservative vs post humanism.
The definition of left and right changes with the current state of things. Bio conservativism would be right wing and post humanism would be left wing.

>>2935651
The left-wing is supposedly about human freedom, controlling the products of our hands instead of the other way around, and cybernetic implants and genetic engineering will be the ultimate surrender to technique. The final domestication. The very idea of rebellion will be impossible. But perhaps for the best, the future earth will be so hellish that independent thought would be a curse. Better to craft us into happy robots.

>>2935669
cybernetic implants possibly (though highly variable by type: a musk brain chip that makes you a good drone is of a very different order to say, implanting artificial fur and an electronically controlled tail to become your fursona) but genetic engineering not so much. it is much less plausible that you biologically engineer an obedient slave caste. (the problem is that as you select for obedience, you'll probably neuter the kind of independent thought, innovation, problem-solving, etc, that actually make it worthwhile to have such a caste in the modern world. rote simple tasks can be done by machine much more cheaply and easily.)

is it really fair to say humans are free when born with terrible genetic diseases, with forms and appearances they did not choose, with mild defects that nevertheless guarantee they can never do what they want to do, and so on? even on the brain chip level (where i am much more sceptical) on what level is it negative domestication to augment one's memory so that undesirable things can be forgotten at will and desirable things can be kept at hand, or to override the natural inclinations that go against one's rational desires and higher order goals? (e.g. sitting scrolling on twitter because it satisfies the right balance of no-risk, novelty, and stimulation for an ADD type brain instead of diverting that same energy to learning to write proper stories or draw or program or something productive.)

the underlying tension exists in most technology. the same guns used to oppress the russian population under the tsar were ultimately used to overthrow him.

>>2935669
>The left-wing is supposedly about human freedom
You can boil down leftism to being aligned with progressing to the next state of things. Human freedom is limited? Remove those limits. Being human is itself a limitation? Remove that one too. There's some limitation at that point? Remove that one too.

There is always going to be a current state of things that can be changed. Even in a hive scenario or whatever.

>>2935744
Yes based. At the end of the day, 99.999999.% of the human population is garbage. You are white, asian ,black, indian, whatever people, you are all garbage, fuck you. None of you are worth anything and I will spit and piss on your graves.

>>2935738
Marx said science and industry had dehumanized man, but was setting the preconditions for liberation. It's been 150 years and it still hasn't happened. No reason to think ever will. It's a nice thought, though. Star Trek is the ultimate industrial propaganda.

>>2928755
class war is about class, politics is about the bourgeoisie negotiating their differences to prevent class war.

>>2936274
150 years is no time at all from a historical perspective. feudalism was about 1000 years

>>2935745
How's 10th grade going?

>>2934320
"Tech" is not real. Ive never seen a "Tech" in real life. ive seen pipes and scissors and computers, but ive never seen a "Tech"

>>2936274
we are despite everything much closer than ever.