As a communist, why should I support open borders and immigration? I've read Marx and Lenin and I don't see why it's a good idea to let millions to enter since they're cheap labour for capitalists and in fact the USSR had strict immigration policies, same with China.
I'm not xenophobic or racist at all, in fact I like multiculturalism, I love going out and having dinner in any foreign restaurant and I have friends from all ethnicities, but I just don't agree with letting everyone in. I'm not trolling or ragebaiting, I genuinely want to know.
The future is brown regardless of the mode of production and that's a good thing
racels genocide #soon
>>2928697Your conception of labour pricing is stupid and outdated. Labour prices are global, instead of being forced to pay higher wages at the border capitalists just outsource. Moreover, even in such a world a fall in native wages is offset by a rise in immigrant wages leading to no net effect.
Finally, capitalists have the whip hand in all first world countries. You cannot credibly imagine that wages are set by supply and demand but that normal commodities don't function in this way.
>>2928697>why should I support open borders and immigrationYou shouldn't. Expanding the reserve army of labor via immigration is a bad thing.
to europoor """leftists""", the "reserve army of labor" refers to anyone who isnt a labour aristocrat LOL
>>2928697>hoxha "ten thousand years">deng "i guess 2050"somebody can't count smh
>>2928697>>2928703it doesn't matter what you "support" or "don't support" or what the gap is between your stated "proletarian" reasons and your actual racist/imperialist reasons for being against "mass migration". why?
- because you live under a bourgeois dictatorship
- the capitalist mode of production prevails
- imperial core fertility rates are low due to the (relative) prevalence of safe abortion, birth control, contraception, and sex education.
- the countries with high birth rates and low wages will continue to export human beings in the form of refugees, migrants, etc. to the countries with low birth rates and high wages, where they will be exploited
- the imperial core will continue to impose crippling sanctions, genocidal wars, austerity, union busting, bombing campaigns, CIA coups, and structural adjustment programs onto the periphery, increasing the number of refugees
- climate change will continue to push people away from the equator, where they will otherwise die of heat stroke
- you will stop none of this not merely because you are powerless, but because you are actually a pawn of the imperial core reactionaries. every dollar, every gun, every word of propaganda given to "strong borders" in the imperial core actually results in an increase in net migration. Why? because the imperial core border guards are reactionary terrorists who work hand in glove with cartels and right wing death squads in the periphery. they exacerbate the flow of desperate people from the periphery to the core. the purpose of your CBP and ICE types, regardless of their stated intentions, is to serve as catchers of incoming slaves, not as a deportation force
- whether you realize it or not you are an ethnonationalist chud who wants to turn the world into a series of ethnic enclaves where proles are cut off from each other and prevented from fleeing unlivable conditions.
- pretending to care for a moment about your supposed ideas of protecting the wages of the imperial core proletariat from the dirty migrants who work for a nickel instead of a dollar… why dont you increase the granularity of this analysis to a level more local than a nation? why should the rurals in low income areas be permitted to move to the cities? why should the people from the small low-GDP cities be permitted to move to the big high-GDP cities? why should people from the poor states and provinces of your country be permitted to move to the rich states and provinces of your country.
you have nothing. and we have this thread every week. i BTFO you losers every time and you either fall silent or resort to fallacies and low cunning.
>>2928712>why should the rurals in low income areas be permitted to move to the cities? why should the people from the small low-GDP cities be permitted to move to the big high-GDP cities? why should people from the poor states and provinces of your country be permitted to move to the rich states and provinces of your country.This actually works in China.
>>2928712OK, nobody denied any of that (except climate change, i.e., the moral panic about CO2, is mostly a hoax).
I still don't support expanding the reserve army of labor via immigration.
>>2928728It's kind of funny because you're more likely to get banned on here for saying stuff about LGBT than you are if you were to just take a steamy dump all over Marxian economics.
>>2928734>It's kind of funny because you're more likely to get banned on here for saying stuff about LGBT than you are if you were to just take a steamy dump all over Marxian economics.And that is the perfect heuristic for determining what a political tendency is all about. What you're *not* allowed to debate.
>>2928727yes of course but the imperial core "strong border chuds" aren't in china, they aren't advocating for hukuo in their own countries, and most of all they aren't in an even nominally socialist country
>>2928734>climate change is le hoaxvery compelling, face the wall
>>2928742>Bans loli pornSee this is what leftypol *doesn't* want people to see
oppressed nations like cuba should have strong borders, strong navies, strong armies, to keep out the chuds and CIA glowies
oppressor nations like america should have weak gorders, weak navies, weak armies, and should be flooded with refugees
it's that simple really. the weak should become strong, and the strong should become weak.
what? that's idealist? well so is asking leftypol "why" you "should" "support" this or that bourgeois border policy!
>>2928756damn you said my memes seethe. very compelling argument. i now support "strong borders" in imperialist countries. a trillion more dollars to global apartheid now!!!!
>>2928767Who said I disagreed with that?
>>2928768Who said that?
>>2928771>Who said I disagreed with that?ok then what do you wanna fight about
>>2928782You should've instead used that Saboflaggot who voluntarily joined the Canadian military.
>>2928785
I meant for the speech bubble, but ok.
>>2928787>>2928786but i am reply to this OP and not the sabo guy who isn't even in this thread. why should some guy who isn't even in this thread be part of the meme?
>>2928788Because I hate that fag more than the average labor aristocrat
>>2928792just filter him, he's not even here. bro i'm talking to someone who isn't him. the meme is meant for OP
>>2928796I know, I was just saying uygha
Marg Bar military veterans and shit
>considers itself to be an anti-capitalist crusader
>dehumanizes poor people as "cheap laborers"
there's not enough cans of raid in the world for you vermin
>>2928807NTA but I consider myself a cheaper laborer. Because everyone is under western capitalism. We're never paid what we're worth and never will be under the current system. It's designed that way.
>>2928811well i still consider myself a human being, and i work every day and i probably get paid even less than you do. how can you expect anything in the world to ever change and respect your wishes if you can't even respect yourself? you'll just fold like laundry and blow wherever the wind takes you with an attitude like that, how can anyone trust you or rely on you, why should anyone even talk to you if you're not even a human being?
>cheap labor is le bad, therefore global apartheid le good
Communists do not support open boarders and mass immigration. No socialist country does that. This is western rad libs and the "communists" that have been psyop'ed
>>2928838>"communists" that have been psyop'edso 99% of communists then
>>2928859Communists in the USSR, China. Cuba, and DPRK do not support mass immigration
>>2928831It's more like I'm self aware of how piggy sees me and how they see others. I consider my labor cheap just like immigrant labor is because we're under the same system. Our labor and humanity has value that they will never see. And I want to starve piggy of it, ideally.
>As a communist
<straight /pol/ rhetoric
<climate change denial
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