Is picrel final proof idpol has gone too far?
Since when are we supposed to show solidarity with narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths? Isn’t it clear that said mentalities are cultural products of capitalism?
Also, comparing narcissism to autism is bullshit. No one is born a narcissist.
Is this the final boss of idpol or the time when idpol finally jumps the shark for good?
>>2931681>Isn’t it clear that said mentalities are cultural products of capitalism?No? Aren't they observable brain differences?
>>2931683Do they exist in cultures outside the West?
>>2931692Yes. There's tons of psychopaths in the east just look at all the serial killers from japan
>>2931683Who cares? I’m not showing solidarity with someone who inherently lacks empathy.
>>2931709Why? Not like it's their fault, people's actions are what you should judge them by
>>2931712On what basis? A psychopath isn’t going to act in an empathetic way.
>>2931681I don't even know If I would call it idpol at that point, thats just the raddle circlejerk of lifestylist anarchists coming up with increasingly absurd variations of bedtime abolition tier non-issues to be indignant about. Go on a raddle rn and you'll see what I mean. relevant Bookchin qoute:
>"Like it or not, thousands of self-styled anarchists have slowly surrendered the social core of anarchist ideas to the all-pervasive Yuppie and New Age personalism that marks this decadent, bourgeoisified era. In a very real sense, they are no longer socialists - the advocates of a communally oriented libertarian society - and they eschew any serious commitment to an organized, programmatically coherent social confrontation with the existing order." Narcissism, sociopath and psychopath are mental illness, a pattern of dysfunctional behavior, all of them are dangerous and are not a "product of capitalism", Narcissism and psychopath exist in North Korea too
>>2931683Bullshit. Narcs and psychos are made not born. There is no metaphysical “narcissists identity”.
>>2931724If you are too retarded to grasp the concept of epigenetics, I struggle to believe you're not also too retarded to understand Mao's works.
>>2931730Prove narcissism and psychopathy are the products of epigenetics rather than social conditioning.
>>2931737>>2931737Twins studies and adoption studies, dumb dumb.
>>2931742That’s still biological essentialism on your part.
>>2931751Look, bro, there's a solid 50 years of twins and adoption study showing that certain mental disorder have a strong generic component, I know that genetics explanation around here is somewhat controversial, but still, I there's literally a meta analysis from 2013 with all twins studies showing beyond the shadow of doubt that genetics play a role on behavior. Still, I know it's a controversial topic around here because irks of biological essentialism and less knowledgeable people can interpret those studies in a wrong way. Anyways, my point is: mental illness are real and they have a biological root, at least part of the illness, there are of course environmental causes too, both genes and environments interact to give rise to a psychopath or a narcissist.
>>2931713Anyone with a few braincells can act with more empathy than you just by using basic logic like harming people = bad.
You sound like any other hypocrite who chooses a scapegoat to let their frustrations out, like a psycho you think this is all a trade and not actual lives being fucked by your stupidity, nothing gets better by acting like this, only worse, every single time.
>>2931759Assuming this is true, why should we care if narcissism is genetic? Narcissists are vile and dangerous people. Most billionaires are narcs because only a narc lacks the empathy that would prevent them from exploiting others. Celebrating these disorders or trying to normalize them as no place in a leftist political program where the final aim is the universalization of empathy.
>>2931763Narcissism and psychopathy are already upheld in capitalism. Why should we show narcs and psychos any mercy when they infringe upon on our political goals?
>>2931759The people who deny biological essentialism are the biggest nazis, sure we're very pliable as people but you can't just social engineer people's weaknesses out of them nor their advantages. Adapting people to their lives should be the nº1 concern of anyone who gives a shit, like just look at how hostile people act in trades vs. service vs. office jobs vs. managers. Why? Because everything is made of people either doing their best to live the way they're biologically able to and other just being forced against it against their will and taking it out on others.
>>2931767With your logic (that psychopaths are overrepresented as CEOs, etc), homosexuals also should not be shown any mercy since they are more likely to have higher household incomes, and thus own more stock.
>>2931767Why should I show you any respect when you're obviously mentally deficient?
>>2931770We should just do like Genghis Khan and cut the knees of anyone taller than him, that'll show these privilege folks what's up.
some people are just born menshevik, hasan piker for example
>>2931770Homosexuality isn’t incompatible with communism.
Narcissism and psychopathy ARE.
>>2931772>you're obviously mentally deficient?FYI, this is an ableist statement according to anarchist Reddit.
>>2931737>the products of epigenetics rather than social conditioning.You already fundamentally misunderstand both epigenetic and social conditioning. Those very obviously overlap, especially for mental conditions.
>>2931765I'm not celebrating a mental illness, dude, far from I straight up called said they are mental illness.
>>2931769That's a complicated topic whether we have free will or not, I'm not knowledgeable enough to give a clear cut answer, however I can indicate a book by a philosopher of science that deals with the topic called "Behave: what genetics and what's not", it's a dense book but very interesting
>>2931781We don't consider being gay a problem because majority of gay people aren't hurting people, however psychopath and narcissist do indeed hurt, lie and straight up kill people without care or something reason, they are dangerous and should be put out of society for the safety of people.
>>2931782Good thing I'm not one of them. Your parents dropped you so I understand you have issues separating things, I won't hold it against you.
>>2931786>>2931784I think the main issue is that we can't just fix years of conditioning like that, be it genetic or culture.
>>2931787What about their assholes? lol
But speaking seriously now if I told you I was abused by a gay guy would you condemn all of them too? Don't be retarded, crimes are punished, not mental states.
>>2931787Also the only reason they get a bad rep is because the DSM genially used criminal behavior as a diagnostic criteria, so not only any random who did some heinous shit could get a diagnosis, any psychopath could simply not do any crimes (or not get caught) and never be diagnosed.
Just going out saying we should punish random people for even more random reasons is a bigger motivator for violence than being mentally ill. Not feeling anything is easy to deal with, a lot of people go through periods like that, but reading all of that bullshit you wrote can give even the biggest saint homicidal thoughts.
>>2931789You're wrong in a point, narcissm, and specifically psychopath behavior DO lead to criminal behavior, they are personality disorders, the day to day behavior of those people fall into a type of behavior that is harmful to other people, hence they are brake the law time and time again, however SOME of those people with narcissism and psychopath can control their behavior with a strong treatment, but take years of treatment and many of them don't seek help and many more fall into criminal behavior very early, ideally they should be put out of society and try to be treated.
>>2931791>>2931791Plenty of people get diagnosed with psychotic disorder and don't kill people, but THEY do show a pattern of behavior that is harmful to people around them and themselves on the long run, DSM is not some random collection of diagnose, they revise those stuff every couple of years. Anyways, my point is that you don't think that people have a pattern of behavior and thst behavior can't be problematic or straight up dangerous
>>2931791I highly recommend you to spend a time with people with personality disorder, you quickly realize that they pattern of behavior isn't random, it's called personality disorder for a reason.
Look guys, if psychopaths or whatever commit crimes they should be punished/rehabilitated the same as everyone else. We should show compassion towards everyone and certainly not persecute them for things they didn't choose.
Look I am not even a leftist but 90% of the shit I read coming out of your camp these days screams COINTELPRO. It’s gotta be. Especially that recent panel at that DSA meeting that talked about how physical fitness is fascism.
>>2931681>Is picrel final proof idpol has gone too far?<Immediately pivots into idpol>Since when are we supposed to show solidarity with narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths? Isn’t it clear that said mentalities are cultural products of capitalism?We show solidarity with other proles and allies of the revolutionary cause in general. Do we show solidarity with a capitalist psychoath? No, they are a capitalist. Do we show solidarity with a psychopathic prole? Only insofar as they are a prole and not irredeemably reactionary.
You are falling into the idpol trap. Solidarity is not empathy, it is unity of purpose.
>Narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths are not your enemy
3 letter agent glow so bright
Empathy is a spook.
Long live psychopathy.
>>2931831Is solidarity not ultimately rooted in empathy?
>>2931681>Is this the final boss of idpol…The final boss of IdPol is a Sakaioid, a Zionist and a Neo-Nazi getting together and realizing that they have more in common than they realize.
>>2931811>Look I am not even a leftist but 90% of the shit I read coming out of your camp these days screams COINTELPRO. It’s gotta be. Especially that recent panel at that DSA meeting that talked about how physical fitness is fascism.The COINTELPRO "Left" is "The Left" at this point. This place does try to resist the ratfuckers but there's just too many brainwormed Reddit newfags.
>>2931681Does this Reddit retard actually believe narcissists are an oppressed class?
>>2931873Most posters on Reddit are bots run straight out of an American air force base.
>>2931681no, idpol as always is just cope. we find increasingly retarded and stringent moral codes to impose upon each other when we are unable to solve any of the issues we care about
>>2931840No, a cop can have "empathy" for the prole he's beating, it comes from mutual action and support
>>2931681>Just because someone struggles to feel anything looking at the victims of war, it doesn't make them a bad person.Yes, yes it does, actually.
>>2931881A cop wouldn't be beating that person in the first place if he had actual empathy for him.
>>2931769What? Nazism is built on biology.
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