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The Lucanamarca massacre was a mass killing perpetrated by the Maoist insurgent organization Shining Path on 3 April 1983 in and around Santiago de Lucanamarca, in the Ayacucho region of Peru. The attack killed 69 people, and was carried out as retaliation against a rural community that had resisted Shining Path's control.

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>killing people for not supporting the shining path

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>wiping out an entire village becauae they are petty bourgesisie landlords

>extremist doing extremist things

Being a thing since dawn of mankind

Giga

>>2931762
The shining path was not extreme, it was way to moderate and shouldve gone further

From an interview with Comrade Gonzalo:

"In the face of reactionary military actions and the use of mesnadas, we responded with a devastating action: Lucanamarca. Neither they nor we have forgotten it, to be sure, because they got an answer that they didn’t imagine possible. More than 80 were annihilated, that is the truth. And we say openly that there were excesses, as was analyzed in 1983. But everything in life has two aspects. Our task was to deal a devastating blow in order to put them in check, to make them understand that it was not going to be so easy. On some occasions, like that one, it was the Central Leadership itself that planned the action and gave instructions. That’s how it was. In that case, the main thing is that we dealt them a devastating blow, and we checked them and they understood that they were dealing with a different kind of people’s fighters, that we weren’t the same as those they had fought before. This is what they understood. The excesses are the negative aspect. Understanding war, and basing ourselves on what Lenin said, taking Clausewitz into account, in war, the masses engaged in combat can go too far and express all their hatred, the deep feelings of class hatred, repudiation and condemnation that they have — that was the root of it. This has been explained by Lenin very clearly. Excesses can be committed. The problem is to go to a certain point and not beyond it, because if you go past that point you go off course. It’s like an angle; it can be opened up to a certain point and no further. If we were to give the masses a lot of restrictions, requirements and prohibitions, it would mean that deep down we didn’t want the waters to overflow. And what we needed was for the waters to overflow, to let the flood rage, because we know that when a river floods its banks it causes devastation, but then it returns to its riverbed. I repeat, this was explained clearly by Lenin, and this is how we understand those excesses. But, I insist, the main point was to make them understand that we were a hard nut to crack, and that we were ready for anything, anything."

It's very funny when the so-called "left" uncritically reports on this with the language:
>a rural community that had resisted Shining Path's control.
Why oh why, petty bourgeois "leftist", were they "resisting" and why oh why does it bother you so that a Communist Party would sweep away its opponents? Do we believe in the conquest of power, or not? Do we believe in revolution, or not? Communists believe in both these things, while petty bourgeois and labor aristocrat lifestylists, academics, and "concerned citizens" are terrified. They should be!


>>2932662
The massacures were to moderate tbh shouldve gone further

>>2932662
>why does it bother you so that a Communist Party would sweep away its opponents?
how could I be bothered by something that didnt happen? SL didnt sweep away its opponents, they were defeated by them because Gonzy had all their info in some laptop

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the dprk is always on the right side of history

>>2932674
great moments in anti-imperialism

>>2932662
Revolution is when you show up and massacre peasants who are skeptical of the claim from your roving band of red flag waving militants that they're being liberated because they say they are, and the more peasants you massacre the more revolutionisty it is

Did laptops have passwords back then? I wonder what Gonzalo's was

>>2932673
That the PCP was defeated 20 years later after the arrest/murder of its central committee doesn't change the fact that it did, in many areas, sweep away its opponents.

>>>2932677

>PCP is just a "roving band of red flag waving militants"
CIA doesn't need online operatives when they have friends like y'all.

>>2932674
>believing wikipedia
Wikipedia is filled with disinfo

>>2932694
>I don't believe in anything that goes against my pet worldview

Low I.Q

>>2932692
>the fact that they got defeated by their opponents doesnt change the "fact" that [insert hyperbolic description of killing some peasants in many areas]
>you are CIA if you dont overglorify this guerrilla cult that got destroyed because their great leader couldnt do basic opsec
why are leftists like this

>>2932704
Thats giga doe

>>2932705
I dont believe it

>>2932724
Bro, you don't believe in anything that goes against your pet political view, if gravity is against your politics, somehow you would say that gravity is a invention of burguoise to control the prolitariat or it's fake

>>2932674
that lib slazac still has an account on shitter? Color me surprised, dude is dumb af

A thread died for this.

>>2932733
Gravity is a bourgesisie puesdo-science created to put the proletriat down. The shining path and gonzalo made the final form of political theory and your just crying

Gonzalo was the greatest revolutionary in history

Oh joy more examples of (non-Chinese) "Maoists" being retarded. Gonzalo shouldn't have had his info on his laptop in the first place and his movement was a complete failure.

>>2932806
okay but the shining path is still fighting the peoples war to this day

>>2932806
>Gonzalo shouldn't have had his info on his laptop
>arrested in 1992
>laptop
I wonder what kind of laptop he had back then

revolution is not a dinner party

>>2932875
it's a breakfast party

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>>2932806
What a waste of an effortpost. Mapping these things out is definitely worthwhile, but it's very clear this person hasn't engaged with this content with any real depth. They probably just skimmed JMP's Critique of Maoist Reason and figured that was enough.

<Marxism-Leninism-Maoism

JMP and others cite the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement as having systematized Maoism, and for a time I agreed with this view. However recently many Maoists have taken a more critical view of RIM and its legacy, and this has led to many moving away from the view that Maoism was systematized in RIM. We can divide these more critical Maoists broadly into two: those who view the issue as principally one of rightism within RIM, and those who view RIM and building a new international in general as a mistake.

Those who fall into the former grouping have largely come together in and around the International Communist League, an attempt at reconstituting the Comintern more directly centered around Maoism and Gonzalo Thought (what JMP refers to as "Principally Maoism"). There is also the Communist (maoist) Party of Afghanistan, which also is seeking to rebuild the RIM but disagree with the ICL on the significance of Gonzalo Thought among other things. CmPA tends towards the right wing of Maoism, and JMP can broadly be described as being part of their trend.

Those who fall into the latter grouping are basically all of the most significant Maoist Parties today except the Communist Party of Brazil and what's left of the Communist Party of Peru (who are in ICL). The Communist Party of India (Maoist) and the Communist Party of the Philippines have both issued statements expressing their view that forming a new International today is premature at best. Parties in this trend are in favor of international communication and cooperation, but believe that the attempt of RIM and ICL to form a new democratic centralist body can only produce a first worldist and rightist formation at this time. Also within this trend is the Maoist Internationalist Movement, which was always critical of RIM as a project of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA.

When Maoism was "systematized" is a bit of a debate, but isn't a dividing line question outside of the ICL (who are very adamant about crediting the PCP with this). Of course folks are familiar with JMP's view of Maoism being systematized between 1988 and 1993, but what JMP is notably quiet about is the view of the CPI(Maoist) and CPP, who don't agree. Their view (and mine) moreso aligns with that of the Maoist Internationalist Movement — today most notably represented by MIM(Prisons) — that Maoism can be said to exist after the 9th Congress of the Communist Party of China. The 9th Congress identified Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought as a third and higher stage of revolutionary science:

>Chairman Mao has integrated the universal truth of Marxism-Leninism with the concrete practice of revolution, has inherited, defended and developed Marxism-Leninism in the political, military, economic, cultural, philosophical and other spheres, and has brought Marxism-Leninism to a higher and completely new stage. Mao Tsetung Thought is Marxism-Leninism of the era in which imperialism is heading for total collapse and socialism is advancing to world-wide victory.

>the draft Party Constitution has clearly reaffirmed that Marxism-Leninism-Mao Tsetung Thought is the theoretical basis guiding the Party's thinking. This is a great victory for the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in smashing Liu Shao-chi's revisionist line on Party building, a great victory for Marxism-Leninism-Mao Tsetung Thought.

Past this point, distinctions between Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought are mostly semantic. The importance of adopting the former terminology over the latter, a struggle the Communist Party of Peru genuinely led internationally, was in drawing a line between those who upheld the view of the 9th Congress — that the advances of Mao's body of work and the practice of the GPCR opened up a third and higher stage of Marxism — and those who clung to the pre-Cultural Revolution view, or who followed Deng Xiaoping in the post-Mao ideological shift of the CPC, which is generally articulated as Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought.

<Maoism Third-Worldism

This is probably the most misunderstood tendency that exists today, hands down. It's also probably the most overblown, with people oftentimes slinging it as a pejorative against pretty much any Maoists and acting like it exists as some major tendency. Maoism Third-Worldism actually falls under the category of "post-Maoism", but I doubt JMP bothered doing enough research to know this. It was coined by the now-defunct Leading Light Communist Organization, who broke with the Maoist Internationalist Movement and declared that Marxism-Leninism-Maoism had been fully captured by opportunists and an ideological rupture had become necessary for the movement to move forward. The two things the Anon gets right in the image is that the LLCO cites Lin Biao as a major theoretician and views the defense of his legacy as a dividing line question, and that Jason Unruhe is part of this tendency.

Where JMP, and most people, get wildly off-base is in tossing MIM into this tendency as well, when they have stated their disagreements with it on multiple occasions. MIM and now MIM(Prisons) adopted Marxism-Leninism-Maoism as their ideology before even the PCP, and they continue to uphold this as the present stage of revolutionary science. At no point have they called themselves "third worldists" outside of times where they were called that by someone else.

Additionally, the contradiction JMP identifies doesn't actually track. For one, MIM has never said nobody in the first world can "conceive" revolutionary theory, let alone apply Marxism to analyze the world around them. Of course they can. It's amazing that a university professor, one who isn't stupid and has produced interesting works, would turn around and stoop to such an infantile "gotcha" that could be disproven by MIM's own review of his book. Additionally, while MIM was principally in the first world, nothing they have put forward is actually anything new or originating in the first world. Of course they do draw from Lenin (JMP and the Anon need to reread their history books, Lin Biao died before Three Worlds theory was ever discussed in '74) and Mao, but this is also grounded within the analyses emerging from the African revolutionary struggle, Asia, and South America. Theoreticians like Samir Amin and Walter Rodney are indispensable to understanding where MIM is coming from.

<Post-Maoism

I prefer the term "Postisms" used by Ajith, personally. Avakianism has, in general, had a devastating effect on the Maoist movement which it's only just beginning to recover from. However, the analysis of how it came to dominate in first world "Maoism" is kinda fascinating, cause it reifies a point I've made a few times on here: Trotskyism won in the first world. Avakianism is a direct product of the Trotskyist "Marxism-Leninism" that has been dominant in the US since 1958. Of course this existed in the CPUSA, but it also persisted within the Foster and SWP-influenced Parties which emerged alongside the first Maoist Parties in the 60s and 70s. For a time it was able to set up shop within the Maoist forces through the RU/RCP and Progressive Labor Party, continuing the tradition of entryism, trade unionism, and first worldist "internationalism". This of course culminated in the RIM, which then exploded as the PCP successfully clarified and struggled for genuine Maoism internationally and the RCP was increasingly exposed for its fed behavior.

With Maoism no longer useful to Avakian and the RCP, they dumped it and put Avakian himself forward as the new messiah of Communism, attempting to use the last bits of the RIM they controlled to get the good word out there. Avakian of course now looks like a youth pastor, go figure. I'm not a huge fan of using the word "cult" to describe political movements, but this tendency is certainly guilty of overemphasizing Avakian's unremarkable (at best) body of work. But again, is this really so surprising for what is essentially a Trotskyist group? Just look at WWP with Sam Marcy.

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>>2932677
>Revolution is when you show up and massacre peasants who are skeptical of the claim from your roving band of red flag waving militants that they're being liberated because they say they are, and the more peasants you massacre the more revolutionisty it is
A lot of people here seem to unironically believe this. If Leftypol was this way a decade ago, I wonder how many people would have "ironically" supported ISIS.

>>2932927
99% of posters with a brain have left the site and the killpeopleism edgetards have taken over

>>2932927
>>2932931
MaoAnon isn't a killpeoplelist or an edgetard though. we have actual anons like that but MaoAnon makes good posts that are sensible and informed.

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hmm, yep that makes sense

>>2933167
it's a penis leg

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>>2931749
most of their victims were actually poor indigenous peasants

>>2933168
its based and zionpilled…

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>>2932674
great moments in internationalism

In Escape From LA (1993), Shining Path invades America.

>>2932720
>>2932927
>>2933170
>If we just keep saying bullshit, it'll be true!
I'm so tired.

>>2932674
>The USSR, North Korea, China, and Cuba all wanted to kill the Shining Path
Maybe the boiling babies thing actually happened lol. How else would you explain every socialist country wanting to kill Gonzaloids?

>>2933228
Shining Path already considered all those states to be revisionist and vice versa.

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>>2933225
There are testimonies and shit bruh, why are you people so insistent on defending the shining path all the time from all critisism or anything that dosen’t border on cult like worship of gonzalo, move on man its been like thirty years since they have been relevant anyways

>>2933287
The true shining path is still continuing its PPW right now in peru
Also i know gonzalo and the shining path never did that because my dad was friends with gonzalo and apart of the shining path before the 2000's split.

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>>2933293
>its not true cuz my dad was friends with gonzalo

>>2933295
ok? Gonzalo was a good man

>>2933287
>there are testimonies and shit
Ah yes, testimonies. Have I ever told y'all about the time Stalin asked my dad for an ice cream, then pulled out a comically large spoon? Truly awful.
>why are you people so insistent on defending the shining path all the time from all critisism or anything that dosen’t border on cult like worship
I have criticized Gonzalo and the PCP multiple times on this site. I'm not at all against criticism and like all Maoists I believe that between internal and external factors, it's the internal that decides victory or defeat. This means that the failure of the PCP was due to internal contradictions, not state repression or foreign intervention like y'all liberals. Our failures are our own, but to discuss the failures you need to actually understand the failures and, y'know, be a Marxist in the first place. Most of y'all aren't Marxists and don't understand how to conduct Marxist analysis, and it shows. Y'all read sources like a high schooler or undergrad memorizing what a textbook says, rather than engaging critically. Do you think I haven't read the "truth and reconciliation" testimonies and reports? Please.

>>2933300
>not state repression or foreign intervention like y'all liberals
<not state repression or foreign intervention like y'all liberals like to whine about
is what I meant to say.

>>2933293
>true shining path is still continuing
which one? the alleged group in Mantaro Valley that last put out a statement in 2021?
Even the Xi-ist MPCP is more active

>>2933219
>In Escape From LA (1993), Shining Path invades America.
Yeah it owns. Also they make you play basketball and if you don't get enough points when the clock ticks down then they shoot you.

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>>2933856
>Yeah it owns. Also they make you play basketball and if you don't get enough points when the clock ticks down then they shoot you.
I'm going to tell me kids this is how American college sports works.
>but anarchists mass murdering priests isn't exactly actions you want historically associated with your movement.
Speak for yourself, faggot.


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