/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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>things need to get worse because umm accelerationism or something
bait thread

>If the "moderate" liberal Zionists win it's fucking over
it's over either way. Nobody is going to do shit because they internalized the fear of zionists and their golem. Not to mention they are not personally affected by it. It's how they will tolerate evil, but as soon as a communsit government will demand something of them they will rebel. Zionists toned down their muh antisemitisim and shifted all the rage into islam. Smart strategy actually.

The problem is the average westoid is happy to be a golem. George Carlin was right. The public sucks. It is a very difficult position to run on, because the plebs will never vote for someone who accurately points to them as the problem.

>>2932283
Not a bait thread.

>things need to get worse

This is my point though, that Netanyahu and the far right winning is less worse than the liberal Zionists winning. The far right in Israel is incompetent and does bad PR for Israel.

>>2932292
They are both equally Nazi

If anyone other than Netanyahu wins, the entire Pro-Palestine movement will collapse.

>>2932313
The opportunist elements, sure. All revolutionary struggles go through periods where opportunists and careerists slough off. These were never allies, and their loss shouldn't be mourned or stressed over.

>>2932290
Noooo, not the PR, what are they gonna do when prole on the other side of the ocean denounce them!!!!

Why don't you people realize that liberals are as much as bad if not worse than "real" right wingers?

>>2932325
this

>>2932401
>Why don't you people realize that liberals are as much as bad if not worse than "real" right wingers?

this is probably the #1 thesis of leftypol. the #2 thesis is that you must support "AES" (liberal) nations against "fascist" (conservative) nations.

i.e. "don't vote for democrats over republicans, democrats are worse, but please support china (the democrat of nations) over america (the republican of nations)"

>>2932313
>>2932325
It will not matter, because Bibi is the only one who can sort of herd these cats at all. No Bibi means beginning of the end of Israel.

I hope bibi invades sum country to suspend elections

>I hope that Netanyahu and the extreme right win, it will tarnish Israel's reputation even further + they are very incompetent.

NVCLEAR TRVTH BVMB DETECTED

All leftists should support Netanyahu and Ben Gvir and the most extreme right wing Zionists winning. The Labour Zionists are smart enough to try to appeal to the rest of the world and to try to garner international support and if they're chosen they will smother the pro-Palestinian movement like how Obama smothered the anti-war movement that came from Iraq.

People like Netanyahu and Ben Gvir are total mask off smirking demons who don't even try to hide we need them to be broadcast 24/7 365 days of the year so that the Zionist entity loses all allies.

>>2932471
It doesn't matter, just like it doesn't matter if Kamala or Trump bomb Iran.

If Israelis were smart they would toss bibi under the bus, he is majorly bad for public relations and has been in power for like over 9000 years now. The other guy, eisnkot?, his agenda wont be too diffrent from bibi but he will be a new face that can lead the country that doesnt have the baggage of bibi

if you actually wanted to destroy Israel you'd support the centrist parties running on forcing the Heredim to serve in the IDF. The Heredi top leadership have already claimed that they would rather leave Israel than compromise on their Torah values and serve in the army

>>2932477
It does matter. When the Dems take charge of the Iran war you'll see the anti war movement in America immediately die and the media to start covering for them just like how Sleepy Joe got away with both Gaza and relentless escalation in Ukraine. Everyone in America only seems to care about protesting against war when it's a Republican doing it. I mean hell the Democrat base is already primed for expanding the Ukraine war and attacking Trump as not hawkish enough on Russia.

>>2932313
oh no the entire livelihood of thousands of professional activists will collapse

>>2932325
I think you need the opportunists on your side to have any hope, I don’t know what that says about me, it’s probably not good

>>2932480
>the anti war movement in America
there is one ? I didn't even notice,what are they currently doing ?

>>2932279
>I hope that Netanyahu and the extreme right win, it will tarnish Israel's reputation even further
The numbers suggest that Bibi has lost ground, but he gets to keep his role as PM for as long as nobody forms a ruling coalition, and the center right coalition that opposes him is too racist to win by simple majority because they categorically reject coalition with the "arab majority" (Palestinian) parties.

the most likely outcome is a hung Knesset, which forms a new coalition under Bibi, either during the post election negotiation period or 3 months later after an emergency election. It's classic neocon fascism, the worse things get the less leeway "moderates" have to wait Bibi out of a caretaker government.

Bibi's base is more stable because it's a coalition of jewish supremacist settlers and the ultra-orthodox. the opposition needs to screw one of these groups to save the state: either conscription for the orthodox, or radically reducing the support given to (or even prosecuting) settlers.

to get back to the core point I was responding to: it doesn't matter if Israel is disgraced or not. Pretty soon Israel will implode economically and militarily.

>economy
no matter what delusions credit ratings agencies may have long term Israeli bonds are speculative (a.k.a. junk) bonds, the most productive sectors and workers have left. this has punched a massive hole in the company and personal tax revenue the state can collect to service the bonds their selling long term.

> military
the IDF has been stretched to about 6-7 fronts and faces a manpower shortage. more and more conscripts are refusing service. northern israel is still getting smashed with Hezbollah rockets but the state called off the state of emergency because they can't afford to put up the displaced civilians elsewhere or take decisive action to end the missile strikes, the northern Israelis are splitting their time between rioting and cowering in their bunkers. while this is happening IDF recruits are striking and protesting over piss poor leadership, being forced to face armed resistance instead of children, lack of pay, and the ultra-orthodox being excluded from conscription while collecting lavish welfare cheques in the middle of an economic crisis.

it doesn't matter who wins, these are core contradictions between three israels:
>modern democratic state
>fascist expansionist ethnostate
>spiritual home for judaism
Bibi will let it ride till the cancer eats him completely unbothered by the state collapsing. a technocrat is going to confront the contradictions which will just make the whole stinking trash fire blow up in his face.

israel is a far-right authoritarian one-party state and its elections are just a formality, you're projecting your own country's politics onto the rest of the world

>>2932528
>israel is a far-right authoritarian one-party state and its elections are just a formality,
I wouldnt go so far. Its closer to a genocidal liberal democracy where mass murder gets political approval from the vast majority of voters.

>>2932525
>northern israel is still getting smashed with Hezbollah rockets … the northern Israelis are splitting their time between rioting and cowering in their bunkers.
This sounds like fanfiction. The stuff about junk bonds is interesting though.

>>2932528
I think it's like Lebanon but instead of Christians there are Jews who are more numerous and way better armed. But also like Lebanon there are different factions of the dominant group. A lot of the parties are confessional or based around some kind of identity politics. There's a Haredi party and a Mizrahi/Sephardic religious party. There's also a secular Russian party.

>>2932536
>sounds like fanfiction
it's what I've heard. the military censors and the complicit western press are keeping the images under wraps. Iran is also sending half a dozen rockets over every month to remind the Israelis that their interceptors don't work and are depleted.

>>2932279
>accelerationism
Yawn. If a "moderate" Zionist wins and they continue to do Zionism, they'll demonstrate that Zionism can't be diluted, and that the only way to do less Zionism is to stop doing Zionism all together.

>>2932544
Then why hasn't Hezbollah or Iran claimed anything.

>>2932553
after the kickoff missile barrage Iran stated that they were reducing the number of missiles fired but could and would continue to fire at targets of opportunity indefinitely. Hezbollah has been sending missiles and drones over fairly consistently and have been taking out air defense and early warning radars to make sure that the air raid sirens in the north of Israel keep going off and when they do they're non-specific and stay on as long as possible.

I don't know what they would claim responsibility for when there's no story, no vision, and no change of doctrine.

If Netanyahu loses Mamdani will go to Israeli and declare the genocide over while he sips manashevits with his masters.

i like how nobody realizes bibi is a woke moderate compared to eisenkot and winter

>>2932532
>I wouldnt go so far. Its closer to a genocidal liberal democracy where mass murder gets political approval from the vast majority of voters.

the israeli government and the us government both try to present israel as part of "the free world" and the sole bastion of democracy in the middle east, but in reality the political climate there is sort of like russia but even worse, where political rivals and critical journalists mysteriously vanish and are never heard from again and mossad is basically like the kgb and military service is mandatory and mass media is uniformly pro-zionist and effectively state-run on some level or another, internet is heavily censored, etc. and netanyahu's regime is not popular at all, his approval rating has plummeted from this war and most of the citizens of israel want it to end and want new leadership, but they're not going to get it so long as the us is pulling the strings and ensuring that only the right people can ever be in charge of the country.

>>2932637
everyone already knows the zionist political spectrum goes from ᴉuᴉlossnW to hitler. we're not interested in what retarded zionists think is "moderate" we're simply analyzing objective reality. people like netanyahu and ben gvir behaving like rabid dogs, no matter how "moderate" that may seem to mentally retarded zionists, generates immense disgust from every other part of the world.

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I read Zionists were so butthurt about the documentary "Naza" that they're trying to pass a law that would punish criticicism of the genocide with the withdrawal of Israeli citizenship.
Ain't that wonderful? Israel making it illegal for Jews to have a shred of humanity.

>>2932748
>immense disgust
and how much of this is needed to stop the palestinian genocide?

>>2932660
>>2932660
I can see right through your bullshit, hasbara
"""israelis""" are overwhelmingly demonic baby killing scum

Reminder over 90% of """"israelis"""" support the genocide of Gaza and the opposition to Nutty is because they think he:
Did a sloppy job by letting too many soldiers die at their victim hands
Not killing enough Palestinians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdrPFH3eMr4

>>2932796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB3JMCNLiUQ
Here's a sarcastic George of Patmos video exposing jewish supremacist (israeli) polls

>>2932796
idpol lmao

>>2932794
>I can see right through your bullshit, hasbara """israelis""" are overwhelmingly demonic baby killing scum

you want to believe that because it's more comforting than the truth, a moustache-twirling cartoon villain who is outside of your world and not connected to you or your culture is an easier pill to swallow than the leaders of your own country, in both political parties as well as the business world, being the real puppetmasters. because if it were just israelis being evil and israel being an independent rogue state then you could concieve of a definite end to it, eventually some other nation will intervene and put a stop to it or israel will undergo economic collapse, the villains will always somehow lose in the end because the universe is just and everyone gets what is coming to them. but unfortunately that isn't our reality, reality is worse than what you want to believe, real evil is not dramatic and candid and discrete like a tumor where you just cut it out and the problem is solved, real evil is banal and insidious and pervasive like leukemia where you scratch your head and say "what the fuck do we do now?"

the global empire that is the united states and the various multinational corporations and financial institutions connected to it is like the leukemia of the world. its tendrils are spread out and deeply embedded into everything to some extent or another, and israel is one of its major investments. the perpetual war and death and destruction that the israeli government wreaks upon its neighboring countries is extremely profitable for a very small group of hyperwealthy people who use money from america's enormous taxbase to manufacture and export arms and electronics and aircraft and other essential war effort commodities to israel as well as give them the money they need to buy it, israel burns through all this money on their perpetual war and always needs more, the final result is you have two nations being bled dry and a whole lot of people getting killed to enrich a very small group of people who are basically outside of everything and have no genuine loyalty to any nation or any cause, they are just interested in further enriching themselves at all costs. so why would they ever allow anything about this situation to change? why would they ever allow israel to elect different leaders who are not far-right nationalist warhawks, why would they ever allow israel to undergo democratic reform where the citizenry could have enough leverage to put a stop to this unpopular war?

the truth of the matter becomes even more apparent when you consider the fact that israel has developed more than enough of its own independent infrastructure and military strength to not really need the help of foreign allies to guarantee its national security, and has also undergone significant social change over the past decades into a more westernized and secularized and multiculturalized society where zionism is not really the dominant cultural force it once was - if not for this genocidal war and the zionist minority still being in power it may very well have been possible for israel to have brokered some kind of peace settlement and thrived as an independent and militarily neutral country with a booming high-tech manufacturing sector that could easily have undercut china as the primary supplier of tech products to the rest of the middle east. the modern world really wants to move on and cut ties with the old world of rabid nationalism and ethnoreligious quibbling and fossil fuel dependency and all these other 20th century problems, but the lingering forces of evil of the old world, i.e. the us government and the israeli government and various companies who profit from these old problems, know that they have no place in the new world and they cannot adapt to the new world so they are determined to try to keep the world stuck in the past indefinitely and keep the old problems from ever being resolved.

that's really what all of this is at the end of the day, the israel situation, the russia situation, the maga situation, the fossil fuel situation, the border wars, the trade wars, the culture wars, etc. it's all part of a general neoluddite movement by dinosaurs who cannot accept the reality that their time is over and the world has no place for them anymore, they would sooner destroy the entire world and burn it all to the ground than accept the fact that the overwhelming majority of the human population want to move forward without them. you see it right here on leftypol, everyone is just constantly talking about the past and cherrypicking things from the past with their nostalgia glasses on and talking about marx and lenin and how those guys had the right idea and we need to make leftism great again, everyone is scared of the future and wants to hide in the past and ignore reality. we had the industrial age, then we had the information age, now we are in the inertia age. the world got into a big hurry to modernize and revolutionize and internationalize and when they encountered the unforeseen consequences of it they panicked and now they want to retreat, but you can't go backwards, you can't make the water go back into the tap, all you can do is kink the hose until your arms get tired or it swells up and explodes in your face.

Pure antisemitism

https://www.jns.org/news/u-s-news/indefensible-jewish-leaders-say-of-nyc-comptroller-opting-to-abort-citys-israel-bonds-investments

>>2932902
>zionism is not really the dominant cultural force in Israel
>zionist minority

Stopped reading there.

>>2932478
LMAO. Nazis larp here as leftists.

who is more nazi?
bibi?
or bibi oposition?

>>2932907
GEGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

>>2932954
it was kc tire

>>2932525
Pretty much how I see it. NuttyYahoo will likely win but it doesn't matter. Theres no unfucking the economy, or Negotiating an exit from the war(s). The second the U.S is incapable of projecting power in the middle east. Hez and iran will march into israel like the allies marching into Berlin.

>>2932907
This is more evidence of the upcoming Israeli bond crisis: if you look at the credit rating agencies they have Israel rated way too high, if you look at the interest rates of their bonds they're too low.

it doesn't take a genius to know the fundamentals are fucked up and there's a finger on the scale. Israel is already raiding the deep Forex reserves the ratings agencies are holding up as their excuse, what do they think will happen when more investors judge the risk for themselves and pull out?

>>2932902
Overwhelmingly majority of """israelis""" are comically evil and need to be purged or gulaged en masse, not falling for your humanization of literal sadistic baby killing and torturing subhuman monsters

>>2932525
> the most productive sectors and workers have left.
proof

>>2932525
>northern israel is still getting smashed with Hezbollah rockets
literally not true

"Israel" is what happens when evil is concentrated in one and given a seemingly just cause ("return the Jews to their homeland").

meow

el moralismo

>>2936429
hasbara

And the US is when evil is equally dispersed among the population and the rest are conditioned to think this is a good thing.

the jews' homeland is in new york

>>2936426
Israel is what happens when Nazoids get good at lobbying.

I think this is the only case in history where genocide is completely justified.

Concentrate Evil and you get the:
a) Israeli
b) US American
c) Jap
d) Banderite
Circle all that apply

demonic ahh country
needs to be nuked

>>2932279
>What's your take on the coming elections in the demon colony?
America?
>I hope that Netanyahu and the extreme right win
oh, the other one

Neoconservatives are the most evil people in American politics.

The crux of neocon ideology is Jewish supremacy and the belief that America must dominate the world. The godfather of neoconservatism Leo Strauss taught that political elites should see themselves as philosopher kings and lie to the vulgar masses of people in order to keep the masses in-check. When philosophers aren’t ruling overtly, they should rule covertly.

Strauss' student Paul Wolfowitz came up with the Wolfowitz Doctrine, which called for massive military spending and preemptive invasions of foreign nations hostile to America. This doctrine was revived by neocons first with Clean Break, which called for a U.S. invasion of Iraq as early as 1999 under the name “Operation Desert Crossing," and then with Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan's Project for the New American Century, which specifically called for a “NEW PEARL HARBOR” to justify said policies. Bill and his father Irving Kristol were die-hard followers of Strauss and sought to implement his thought any way they could. The Straussian cabal is very real and has been carefully manipulating American politics from the Nixon era onward.

POWER OF NIGHTMARES
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jxBbw13Y3Gc

A VERY HEAVY AGENDA (PNAC + 9/11)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mbaAPILY8XmM/

Neocon analysis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oh6DmjQaho

Wolfowitz = Jewish supremacist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxz06SwfnlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlv4YRKnHc

Neocons are satanic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYidsuhaKY

Neocon origins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0C157Wmm6E

Zionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013s
(1:40:13)

>"oy vey goyim, let us lie and deceive the public and give us the oil and let us establish a rothschild bank"
They aren't even making an effort to hide it anymore.

Total neocon death

>>2936429
Fpbp

>>2936429
Correct.

>>2936886
Retard.

>>2936886
>this shit again
"Neocons" aren't a threat anymore.

>>2936891
everyone in government is a neocon now

>>2936896
Prove it.

>>2936900
What do you think their political project was? It was about paving the way for greater Israel.

>>2936608
SPICY Mossad post. Most people will think you're referring to Zionists getting genocided but you were vague enough to allow for the other interpretation.

The guy running against Netanyahu inventes this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

Nothing is going to materially change

>>2936964
Okay, prove that as well. Wolfowitz is a disgusting piece of filth but when has he ever called for a “greater Israel”?

>>2937358
israel already does that though, and beyond all strategic reason. they just do it for cruelty's sake

hey faggots
new security report by a former head of israel's military intelligence directorate
https://www.inss.org.il/publication/new-concept/
among other things in israel's new reality: perpetual war is good, judaism over democracy, rise up and kill first

>>2936982
I'm talking about Israelis of course. The fact that they're Jews is irrelevant.

apologize(come on man)

>>2936886
This bullshit is so tiring.

I don’t feel sorry for any liberal, libertarian, or leftist for that matter who complains about “muh neocons” or the “Straussian cabal”, because we have all the ability to beat them at their own game and we don’t. What exactly is stopping leftist professors like Judith Butler from strategically placing her students into positions of power in Washington and the Ivory Tower? Butler’s former students all go back to Oakland where they set up soup kitchens — how many radikewl queer SOUP KITCHENS does Oakland fucking need??? Maybe our side needs to start playing dirty and be the subversive infiltrators the right likes to imagine we are.

Merged the two threads.

>>2937421
We already tried the march through the institutions, shockingly it just led to the young radicals assimilating into the power structures they were supposed to be subverting

>>2932954
Is that even a real website, it sure as hell doesn’t look like halfchan?

>>2937456
The only solution to destroy the American Regime, which is a prerequisite for destroying American Capitalism and Imperialism, is guerrilla war. The problem is there are too many people that are too pussy to acknowledge this basic truth.

>>2937415
why would i apologize to the guy who killed your hero? (also he resettled 60,000 zionists in palestine)

>>2936900
they wanted the iran war for 2 decades and finally had it handed to them on the silver platter the second the "outsider" got reelected LOL

>>2937364
He just called for all of Israel's enemies to be defeated for no reason whatsoever

Nophono

Bibi might lose
Prepare yourself for 4 years of liberal Zionist gaslighting

These results will lead to a self-coup/military coup/fascist revolution/civil war there is no way they don't. The opposition cannot govern without ALL of the Arab Parties (including the Communist Hadash).

>>2941017
Good enough, welcome people's republic of Israel

>>2941017
not quite. this is globbing together the parties into three blocs. in reality the opposition is made of a coalition of parties from libs to the far right and like every big tent they have a discipline problem. expecting them to stand firm against netanyahu while the region is realigning around tehran is a big stretch.

besides leveraging the ongoing regional security crisis caused by the genocide, bibi can also raid the state forex reserves to buy off the opposition's right fringe by spending big in their stronghold electorates. this won't fix the rot, they'll maintain the same death spiral trajectory they've been on.

and of course they're going to piss and moan about it for weeks. jews do be arguing.

>>2932289
>>If the "moderate" liberal Zionists win it's fucking over
Unfortunately Netanyahus genocide party is the moderate zionist party keeping in check the even more bloodthirsty far right party.

bibi has been in power so long he has reshaped mainstream Israeli politics into being center right, right, and far right. the zionist liberal and left are irrelevant or dead

was kind of hopin he lost, but this is some fake and gay shit with coalitions and you dont even need 50 percent of the vote to win, looking to be some sort of cluster fuck ending

So? Election results so far?

>>2941034
Tbh the most likely outcome is a grand coalition that excludes the religious zionists; at which point the start rioting. These are people who think Lieberman is too "pro-arab".

>>2941113
None of the blocs managed to form a solid majority. They won't be able to form a government without Arab parties, and they won't form a government with Arabs because they are racists. I say there will be another election.

They're getting purged, aren't they?

>>2941142
>I say there will be another election.
Yes. i'm betting they'll have at least 3.
Come to think of this, any money to be made on polymarket on the formation of government?

>>2941142
That's as good as it gets for now, I guess…

>>2941142
>I say there will be another election.
you mean another war with Iran?
>>2941156
If they keep showing up in numbers large enough to really hurt the chances of making a ruling coalition surely the zionists will just eliminate their right to vote all together?

Idk

>>2941335
Maybe, but maybe they will go the Turkish route of outlawing parties, trusteeships if they get far enough for mayorships.

Interesting.

>>2941414
Why are "anti-imperialists" always so wrong about the world?

>>2941433
what do you mean?

>>2937527
How many minutes did Stalin wait before recognising Israel?

>>2941433
>andrew callaghan cherrypicks the least racist most schizo israelis to make an offbeat gonzo report
>wow israelis aren't racist
>not suported by election results
>they're literally split down the middle on jew hitler and jew himmler

>>2941510
>b-b-but stalin
weak bait

Mincy Owen thinks Netanyahu will win.

Maybe the jewish fraud bernie sanders will stop pretending it's just Netanyahu now

>>2932279
You may have it backwards: the opposition winning and then continuing exactly the same policies would be worse PR than Netenyahu staying and serving as a sin eater for the whole country. When the genocide continues under an opposition government, nobody can go "I oppose the Netenyahu regime, just like I oppose Trump, I don't think you can write off Israel just because of one bad leader just like you can't write off the USA because of Trump!!"

>>2932401
Because they aren't
political views in the modern age are mostly downstream of disposition. Liberals have a merely annoying one while rightists have an outright anti civilization one. (Low openness + low agreeableness = at best stupid, at worst evil, which one it is mostly determined by neuroticism. By contrast high openness + high agreeableness+ high neuroticism is the communist archetype.)
Leftists do not as a general rule enjoy the suffering of others, even outgroups. There are exceptions especially on /leftypol/ which is full of freaks, but even here it's nothing like as bad as it is on the right. As a lib once put it: the cruelty is the point.

In the Israeli case almost the entire electorate tilts right. There are no liberals.

>>2941737

You are stupidly wrong.

Well changing happening

https://www.frontpagemag.com/mclaughlin-poll-shows-jews-flipping-republican-on-generic-ballot/

Smotrich is already saying the Arab List leaders need to be arrested.

>>2942046
ironic considering him and his buddy ben-gvir have international arrest warrants out for genocide.

>>2941828
Wow great convincing case you've assembled there. Retard.