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Revolution has never taken place in the bubble of first world conditions. Revolution has necessarily been deformed in the periphery. Most people today are adventurists, larpers or liberals. Things are going to get very exciting very soon what with climate change, the decline of the empire, world war and several other crises hitting all at once. We need to start organizing extremely quickly.

>Revolution has never taken place in the bubble of first world conditions
1776


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Nothing ever happens

yapping about revolution is tiresome

OP I'm being completely sincere here. Instead of yapping on an anonymous imageboard, you should openly talk about revolution, overthrowing the government etc with IRL people.

>>2933131
You know that’s illegal right?

>>2933123
By the time it happens it’ll be too late

>>2933141
Not in burgerland.

>>2933143
It’s not illegal to talk about it on a theoretical basis, as soon as they catch you with an unregistered gun or tannerite all that “free speech” with your friends becomes criminal evidence.

>We need to start organizing extremely quickly.
The thread should have opened with this and continued on about means to do this. Instead we have a whinging thread.
>Things are going to get very exciting very soon what with climate change, the decline of the empire, world war and several other crises hitting all at once
Are you doing things to prepare for such a crisis? If so, keep going and season your whining with practical advice for the rest of us. If not, stop whining and go prepare.

>>2933147
The thing I don’t get about preppers and revolutionaries is why you would want to live through such a crisis, if society collapses, it’s way better to be dead than alive and suffering

>>2933148
>The thing I don’t get about preppers and revolutionaries is why you would want to live through such a crisis
To try and make things better for those that come after, to carry the lessons of the world onward so the mistakes of the past can be avoided.

>>2933150
That’s a gamble and you know it

>>2933148
I can't speak for preppers but "revolutionaries" and accelerationists are just very suicidal and neglect organizing or arming themselves in hopes of some giant societal catastrophe killing them quickly. OP is "very excited" about tackling multiple crises head on with no support or plan.

>>2933158
>That’s a gamble and you know it
You just got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run.

1776
1848
1917
1922
?

>Revolution has never taken place in the bubble of first world conditions.
This is basically a boring truism to say at this point. What does this say to you. Your post generally indicates a vapid and useless view of this fact. Marx said that we can talk about how things all we want, the point is to change it. While imperialism for now has undermined the first world worker's ability to become a proletariat that can lead revolution in their countries, we can also understand that this cannot be understood as a permanent condition and cannot be stable forever.
>Revolution has necessarily been deformed in the periphery.
Define "deformed" and why it was necessary, OP.
>Most people today are adventurists, larpers or liberals.
*blows raspberry while making jerking off motion*
>Things are going to get very exciting very soon what with climate change, the decline of the empire, world war and several other crises hitting all at once.
OP really said most people are adventurists and then said the most adventurist shit possible. While Communists recognize the opportunities that could arise from coming crises, we don't cheerlead or get "excited" for the natural disasters which will arise from climate change, cheerlead as one empire falls in the absence of socialist revolution — an event that can only be followed by the rise of new imperialism(s), or eagerly anticipate the advent of a new world war. As the CPC once said:
<There are different types of peace and different types of war. Marxist-Leninists must be clear about what type of peace or what type of war is in question….
<Although Marxist-Leninists have pointed out, on the basis of the history of the two world wars, that world wars inevitably lead to revolution, no Marxist-Leninist ever has held or ever will hold that revolution must be made through world war.
The revolutionary struggle is necessarily a violent and difficult path, but it's reactionary and adventurist to act like crises that will first and foremost lead to the slaughter and death of proletarians in the third world is something to get excited for.
>We need to start organizing extremely quickly.
A fine-sounding phrase, but for what? Who's "we"? As you yourself pointed out, the subjective conditions for revolution don't presently exist in the first world, and the people who post here by-and-large aren't from or have any connection to the third world. The present paradigms of "mutual aid", trade unionism, and advocacy work in the first world wont cut it. Do you have anything useful to say?

>>2933215
>1776
A settler revolution to establish an independent colonialism — the colonialist nature of the revolution setting it apart from all other revolutions in the Americas — isn't an example of proletarian revolution. While some sections of white workers aligned themselves with the revolution, why did they do this, and were they ever in the lead of the movement? The workers never lead, and instead aligned themselves towards independence because it offered greater opportunity to take a position in the industrial bourgeoisie and slaveowning landed aristocracy.
>1848
Not really comparable to present day "first world" conditions as the labor aristocracy didn't exist yet. The first labor aristocracy was identified in Britain by Engels.
>1917
Russia in 1917 certainly can't be said to be "first world" by our standards or a timely equivalent. The labor aristocracy was in its infancy there and, though imperialist, the country was still largely semifeudal and subordinate to all other imperialisms. It'd be like calling Brazil "first world" today.
>1922
Assuming you're talking about Greece? Or Turkey? Or considering you listed 1776 already, the Rand Revolt in South Africa? ᴉuᴉlossnW taking Rome? Regardless, none are really a good comparison to present conditions.

>>2933536
>we can also understand that this cannot be understood as a permanent condition and cannot be stable forever
Why not?

>>2933564
The stability of the labor aristocracy is contingent on the stability of imperialism itself. However, we know that capitalism and imperialism is inherently prone to crises. The labor aristocracy and petty bourgeoisie are extremely affected in these crises, and are faced with their greatest fear: proletarianization. To avoid this, the labor aristocracy sloughs off sections to protect its core, generally (though not always) along national lines. Hence we see the targeting of Jews in Germany, or lynchings of immigrants and nationally oppressed groups in the US. However, this can only go so far, because we also know the rate of profit tends to decline. The labor aristocracy is only viable to the degree it exists right now because of superprofits from the colonial, semicolonial, and neocolonial nations. These superprofits cannot exist forever, and as they decline the labor aristocracy will enter greater and greater periods of crises.

>>2933564
Probably because no conditions are ever permanent, at least when it comes to human political economy

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>>2933118
i think anon meant proletarian revolution, not bourgeois revolution

>>2933582
I slightly disagree in that I think the fear isn’t proletarianization so much as it lumpenization, at least in the particular case of the US which famously has a very porous social floor and a purposefully inefficient welfare system compared to the other parts of the imperial core

>>2933582
>>2933584
No human construct can last forever, obviously. My question is what if this dynamic is indefinite; that it can last for hundreds, if not thousands of years?
Nobody says crises do not occur in the imperial core, but that these crises thus far have never produced any sort of unified revolutionary action.
The unfortunate reality is that without the defeat of imperialism, revolution in the core is basically a fantasy. Thus, the major hurdle with this is that since the core is much more powerful than the periphery, the periphery ends up losing whenever they fight back (either via war, debt traps, co-option, immigration brain drain, etc.)

NO PUSSY
NO CLASS WAR

>>2933628
this argument would be convincing in the 90s but i think chinas industrialization has changed the game
>>2933117
the french fourth republic collapsed in the late 50's

>Revolution has never taken place
This is correct. Babylon persists. The much ballyhooed "revolutions" were corporate makeovers. You will remain zeks.

>>2933637
>chinas industrialization has changed the game
How?


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