I'm tired of seeing people missing the point entirely. "It's the zionists" "It's the epsteins" "it's dajoos" even.
This is just an extension of the altright diverting understandable rage against the current state of things but pinning all the blame on "le juice" and I fucking hate it. It's specially frustrating for me how many people with revolutionary potential fall for this trick.
Of course, zionism is a very big problem affecting not just Palestine but also other countries where Israel is doing colonialist extraction (it's happening a lot in Latin America) and most jews support Israel but reducing your worldview to simply "Israel bad joos bad" doesn't lead anywhere and as I said makes you ripe to become coopted by far-right retards. "Israel bad" becomes "Hitler good" way too fast way too often.
I'm pissed off that's all.
It's literally missing the forest for the trees. Israel is a natural consequence of capitalism. Both must be destroyed
>>2935249>"Israel bad joos bad" doesn't lead anywhereAgreed but what can you do about these obsessed retards?
i am tired of their boyfriends too, britain and US
>>2935303sometimes i wonder if the imperialists will create a palestinian settler colony somewhere outside of the levant to recreate the same issue somewhere else later on. the bourgeoisie loves to stoke ethnic tensions and create settler colonies in general
Find me one other ethnic or religious group that overwhelmingly supports genocide and imperialism.
>>2935392A Palestinian state would immediately start killing shia or sunni muslims, depending on the brand of islamism governing.
>>2935409Worst bait I've ever read
I riddle you this: who cares? Did anybody care about generalizing whites when there was segregation in the US, and apartheid in South Africa? What Israel does is arguably worse than those things, and unlike white people there is literally no Jewish poor underclass anywhere, even in Ethopia Jews are most privileged parts of society.
While there were always millions of dirt poor whites who did not profit from slavery, institutional racism, imperialism, segregation and apartheid, Jews as a group almost exclusively benefit from Zionism. They have a fascist ethno-state that feels responsible for them on a world scale while it is propped up by most of the collective West (and when you look at the trends, soon Latin America as well). While they are literally overprivileged in every society with some very rare exceptions, like Iran.
Yes, "the Jew" is a spook. But so is "the capitalist" because it's just an acting character mask for capital and the bourgeoisie as a class. But I tell me why I should worry about "actual antisemitism" when it has little to no consequence for Jews other than losing some of their priviliges.
>>2935409There are literally dozens. In reality, Israelis and Jews are very unremarkable people and it's the Anti-Jew conspiracy theories that are the comforting lies. They are just like everyone else. Fact is that there is no true end to human cruelty.
>>2935436True, but none of them have a nuclear armed state armed to teeth and supported by the West that is willing to fulfill their blood-and-soil fantasies.
>>2935437I didn't mean to defend Zionist Jews. They do deserve the hate they get, even if it gets conspiratorial.
To be honest, I find it telling how Gen Z barely critiques capitalism, yet has plenty to say about “Zionism” and how “Zionism” is (apparently) the root of all evil. When did this happen?
>>2935452That doesn’t answer my argument.
>>2935426It's not bait it's true. Look up percentage of Jews who support Israel vs percentage of Muslims who support al Qaeda
>2935436
"Literally dozens" yet you didn't name one.
>>2935392Unlike Jews, Palestinians aren't overwhelmingly antihuman supremacist psychopaths nor do they have the financial and belical backing of the entirety west (including latam) so no, even if they settled Africa they'd be more like the indian post-colonials who live there (like how Mamdani was) rather than genocidal baby blood sucking demons like Epsteinites
>>2935451>to be honest, I find it telling how Greatest Gen barely critiques capitalism, yet it has plenty to say about "nazism" and how "nazism" is (apparently) the root of all evil. When did this happen?Genocides are urgent and obvious while the mode of production is an abstraction that most people don't care about. Sorry.
>>2935658>>2935451Imagine going back and time and telling people they couldn't be against apartheid in South Africa because it was really all because of capitalism and you can't do anything about apartheid until capitalism is overthrown globally. You Zios aren't slick. The whole world is against you now and there ain't no clever pilpul argument you can make to change that.
>>2935673Being against apartheid, while absolving the material conditions that made apartheid possible is feelgoodism. Congratulations on your token victory and achieving nothing.
>>2935658
I hate when leftychuds do this. Here is what I said:
>Genocides are urgent and obvious while the mode of production is an abstraction that most people don't care about. Sorry.
I said "most people." I did not include myself in that category. Here was shit-eating time wasting, presumptuous fuckface imageboard terminally online terminally obnoxious strawmanning fallacious bullshit response to me:
<You oppose the genocide, but not the material conditions that made the genocide possible.
YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF THIS. YOU ARE JUST MAKING SHIT UP ABOUT ME BECAUSE I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE.
>>2935676You support others who oppose the genocide, but not the material conditions that made the genocide possible. Your politics are thus also driven by surface-level feelgoodism. We know.
>>2935678Could you rephrase that in English?
>>2935683Only Hebrew, sorry liberal.
>>2935678i oppose the material conditions that made the genocide possible, you are just making shit up to waste everyone's time and "Troll" epicly
>>2935689If your entire focus is on "Zionism," you are not. You care solely about the ideology, not the material conditions that perpetuates ideologies such as Zionism.
oy vey
>>2935730>Jews are getting squeezed out of the right Doubt it. Maga movement is 100% zionist.
>>2935804After Hitler it was indeed our turn thobeit
>>2935807Also Satanyahoo keeps funding rightoid crazies in Latin America and Europe. Looks like Israel has placed all its bets on le nationalist populist right.
>>2935808Social democracy with another flag lmao
obsessed with yahood
>>2935826fuck yahood, cyrus should have never helped them.
>>2935807MAGA is a rump formation now, it doesn't matter
>>2935249ethnic and racial essentialism is wrong, now face the wall comrade.
>>2936216Here’s an idea: prove to me that “neocons” are still a threat in 2026 and that I should fear them.
>>2935690>If your entire focus is on "Zionism," you are not.it isn't
>You care solely about the ideology, not the material conditions that perpetuates ideologies such as Zionism.again, i don't. you are just accusing things over and over in the hopes that they "stick" so i waste all my time denying your accusations instead of moving the conversation forwards
either you are trolling or you have me confused with some other anon
once again, here was my first reply to you:
>Genocides are urgent and obvious while the mode of production is an abstraction that most people don't care about. Sorry.that is what i said to you. everything else was an assumption you added.
here is what i want you to understand:
<people who care about zionism but not about communism see the genocide as urgent<more people care about stopping genocide than about communist theory <genocide is an interclass issue with wide societal appeal because society has a lot of lumpens, petty bourgeois, and bourgeoisie with feelings of strong moral disgust towards genocidei did not say to you that i care only about zionism, or that i don't oppose the material conditions that made genocide possible, i was trying to explain to your thickheaded ass how so many OTHERS fall into that category. i was literally explaining the superstructural barriers to you, not denying the material conditions. fuck sake
>>2936227trump started the iran war. that represents the culmination of 2 decades of neocon wishlist
>>2935804i am once again begging the "communists" on leftychud dot larp to stop spreading the pernicious myth that the nazis had some kind of majority working class coalition (rather than being a bunch of petty bourgeois racelarpers) or that the german working class was this jew obsessed mass that loved hitlerism, rather than the NSDAP rising to power through the chancellorship that was given to hitler on a silver platter by german conservatives, and the emergency powers, coupled with the failure of the KPD and SPD to form a united front against fascism, along with foreign support by the western european and north american bourgeoisie. it's like leftychud dot SHIT is dedicated to becoming full sinfest reading groypertards dedicated to rehabing the turd reich and spreading every single anti communist myth about their rise to power
>>2936233hitler got 33% of the vote though, ok not a majority but hardly completely unsupported
>>2936229Trump isn’t a neocon. In fact, the worst neocons like Wolfowitz, Kristol, and Kagan jumped ship to the Democrats after Trump was first ejected in 2016.
>>2936241>wow hitler got the entire petty bourgeois and lumpen votedifferent goalpost than two posts ago
<THE GLORIOUS PROLETARIAT KEEPS NAMING THE JEW!!!! >>2936233>>2936253Maybe the point is that it was wrong for communists to think that outrage over 'Jewish capital' was a sign of the popularity of communism (it wasn't), just as contemporary outrage over Israel and Epstein isn't a sign of the popularity of communism now (which it isn't).
>>2935690>You care solely about the ideology, not the material conditions that perpetuates ideologies such as Zionism.How would socialism prevent genocide? Any industrial society can do it.
>>2936227Is this a fucking joke?
>>2936258but i agree with that point and never disagreed with it
>>2936266i've seen that exact post 5 times in the past 5 days so it seems like a deliberate effort to make some empty "point"
>>2936229>>2936251there are now neocons in both parties and they always get what they want, which is more forever wars, therefore they are not politically irrelevant… also just because trump "isn't a neocon" doesn't really mean anything when he still gives them what they want sometimes
How are neocons different than liberals like JFK, LBJ, the Clintons, Obama?
>>2936336They see themselves as philosopher kings and the "vulgar" masses of people as nothing more than ants on the sidewalk to step on.
>>2935277By turning antisemetism into socialism like this
>da jooz are greedy<that's how capitalism works>da jooz control the world<the rich control the world with a portion of that elite being jewish >da jooz are only richer than whites because they employ people of their own kind and make business with exclusively other jews.<That's why blacks in america are much poorer. Wealth inequality between races are a result of systemic racism and not genetics. If it weren't then that would mean that jews are the most supreme race. >>2935409japanese, gulf arabs, anatolian and azerbaijani turks
>>2936415>By turning antisemetism into socialismactually Engels said antisemitism was a sign that there isn't enough capitalism in a country
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/04/19.htm
<Hence anti-Semitism is merely the reaction of declining medieval social strata against a modern society consisting essentially of capitalists and wage-labourers, so that all it serves are reactionary ends under a purportedly socialist cloak; it is a degenerate form of feudal socialism and we can have nothing to do with that. The very fact of its existence in a region is proof that there is not yet enough capital there. Capital and wage-labour are today indivisible. The stronger capital and hence the wage-earning class becomes, the closer will be the demise of capitalist domination. So what I would wish for us Germans, amongst whom I also count the Viennese, is that the capitalist economy should develop at a truly spanking pace rather than slowly decline into stagnation. >>2935436>They are just like everyone else.jews are a convenient cudgel for worldwide fascism because they're also represented in the western cosmovision as a persecuted minority. no one was reminding people to think about "the feelings of the hutus" during the rwandan genocide, i don't think. and israel was already being used as a rhetoric gotcha to argue in favor of the existence of ethnostates. it's a mutually beneficial relationship, israel and jews just want to be the face of fascism and imperialism. in return, the west gets to indulge in its most depraved ideas of violence and extermination while still presenting themselves as universalist liberals.
>>2935804>After Hitler, it'll be our turnI must have heard this simulacrum of witty banter twenty times by now. People who say this seem to imagine that was said by a German communist who meant to convey with that
an announcement of the German communists to step aside and let Hitler do his thing so that people would become disillusioned and try something else or something like that. If you do believe those words were said in the context of promoting that asinine strategy I ask you: Do you actually have a source for that? And by source I mean the actual speech, not some "common knowledge" written down by some professor from University of McDonald's.
>>2936787amen, anon, also sicka that sheeyit
>>2936743What's the point of posting this?
>>2935249>it's no one in particularThis has to be bait
>>2936227There isn't a distinct group known as neocon because both parties have accepted and normalised their policies, so it's redundant.
>>2936645You heard it here folks. Engels said Nazi Germany wasn't capitalist enough.
>>2937260The USSR tried to do that and failed.
>>2935384Large portion of this board would be happy or neutral about it if Tel Aviv were nuked.
>>2937628Wouldnt care less as its neither positive or negative regarding socialism.
>>2937630You're wrong. Israel keeps the arabs divided, when the arabs have had prior political projects like pan arabism which was largely socialist. Therefore Israel is also an enemy of socialism in MENA.
i.e. not that the Nazis were "revolutionary" or how it ended up is what they wanted but in that they played a part in a historical revolutionary transformation that necessarily involved their defeat.
>>2935674How the fuck is capitalism automatically pro-apartheid? Capitalism in the long run wants to make everybody a double-free laborer with no racial limits to employment. Marx was against slavery for a reason.
Israel as it exists in its current form is an anomaly. The majority of the Western ruling class would actually prefer a more palpable, left-liberal, softer form of Palestinian oppression.
>>2937646>How the fuck is capitalism automatically pro-apartheid?The idolatrous Mammon-worshipping d.egenerate system that your people like to label as "Capitalism" was birthed from slave-owner societies. The starting wealth which kick-started industrialization for the West was generated from genocide and colonialism. Capitalism goes hand in hand with apartheid, racism, slavery, and other ills.
https://x.com/upholdreality/status/2097745124021108961 >>2937630>neither positive or negative regarding socialismshalom
>>2937656>the WestCapitalism is a global system.
The transatlantic slave trade involved Africans selling other Africans into slavery. Isolating it to a few polities entirely misses the point.
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