INFRARED Anonymous 2021-02-02 (Tue) 23:08:46 No. 1840 [Last 50 Posts]
This thread is for the discussion of infrared and their heterodox view of Marxism-Leninism.
Infrared is a collective group, with Haz being the leader(? or atleast the one in control of their youtube/twitter/etc.)
From my observation they draw a lot of influences from Martin Heidegger, Aleksandr Dugin, Alexandre Kojève, Jacques Lacan, Nick Land, Slavoj Zizek and so on and so on.
>What's this guys deal? -Anglo man bad
-Marxism is NOT a western ideology
-Merkel is a based anti-imperialist
-socialism is when china does stuff
-we already live in socialism
-socialism is actually like feudalism
-O N T O L O G I C A L
Youtube Channel -
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl63ZOm_bepvwoKjw24rogA Twitter -
https://twitter.com/ShowInfrared Anonymous 2021-02-02 (Tue) 23:10:29 No. 1841
no, just another fucking schizo fandom like with rafiq.
Anonymous 2021-02-02 (Tue) 23:11:28 No. 1842
Can andybody:<nail down a concrete position/policy that defines their ideology <explain what exactly the appeal is (other than novelty/memes)
Anonymous 2021-02-02 (Tue) 23:13:02 No. 1843
>>1842 Marxist-Hazist thought is not to be understood nor studied but lived.
Anonymous 2021-02-02 (Tue) 23:14:18 No. 1844
>>1842 >nail down a concrete position/policy that defines their ideology Eurasian-marxism, maupianism, Bookchinism
<explain what exactly the appeal is (other than novelty/memes) he noticed us idklol
Anonymous 2021-02-02 (Tue) 23:19:39 No. 1845
>>1843 Unironically this hahahahaha.
From what I understand, the idea is that there is a worker "geist" that must be channeled for real change. Marxism is just the ordering of that geist, it shouldn't be applied to the geist.
For example if we take a WSWS article I was laughing at in another thread:
>What the workers do, what those of you in the audience decide to do, is the critical issue. The [burger trotksyists] can advance and fight for a revolutionary socialist program. But that program must be taken up by the working class. From what I understand, this exemplifies the failure of western marxists to "get" the marxist project. This is like the most vulgar form of imposition of marxist dogma to the masses. Infrared's criticism is that basically all western socialists do this to some degree.
Anonymous 2021-02-02 (Tue) 23:25:04 No. 1846
Is this a sex cult? I have done zero investigation.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-02 (Tue) 23:44:31 No. 1848
>Dugin >Hidenigger
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:00:59 No. 1850
This belongs in /IG/, why the fuck does every random youtuber deserve a thread? Let alone one that has like <500 subs.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:02:33 No. 1851
>>1850 all interner/trash/ belongs in
>>>/b/ tbh
but at the same time you'll probably get lots of porn
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:03:19 No. 1852
>>1850 >why the fuck does every random youtuber deserve a thread? C'mon, Haz is promoting this board. I think its OK.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:04:19 No. 1853
>>1848 Don't forget
>Nick Land >Ayn Rand Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:05:04 No. 1854
>>1852 didn't he literally say fuck leftypol though, that its retarded and hes never coming here again?
Besides im not gonna suck off some youtuber just because he lurks or even if he streams the site to his dozens of viewers
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:06:36 No. 1855
>>1854 His streams and reactions to this board are comedy gold, it's much better than him name-dropping /leftypol/. He already developed personal feuds with some users here.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:10:09 No. 1858
>>1850 >>1857 The mods seemed okay with it, and everytime they stream it seems to derail the whole /IG/ thread. Just hide the thread if you don't care, this thread is to try to grapple with these new schizo insights.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:10:33 No. 1859
>>1840 >Heidegger, Dugin, Kojève, Lacan, Land, Zizek It's like they took every idealist hack meme philosopher they could name off the top of their heads the and mashed them together into a frankensteinian bastardization of Marxism. Sounds like just another bunch of gross dorks in capes larping on the internet.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:11:35 No. 1861
>>1855 >His streams and reactions to this board are comedy gold Agree! He brought so much fun into this place, he turned shitposting into a multimedial spectacle!
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:15:45 No. 1863
>>1860 They would just call each other retards for an hour or three.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:24:06 No. 1864
>>1862 I'm not sure who actually controls that account tbh, which janny from here if any
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:24:17 No. 1865
>>1841 why do anti-Rafiq fags always resort to the blandest ad hominem? you fucks never engage with anything he actually says, just dismiss it as “schizo”. probably because you don’t understand basic continental philosophy vocabulary.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:27:16 No. 1866
What if the real Communist movement was the friends we made along the way?
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:29:08 No. 1867
>>1865 because I'm jaded by his brain meltingly stupid ecology shit and it turned me off him completely
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:30:45 No. 1868
>>1867 that's because retards use it to argue for their right wing interpretation of global warming because they don't understand it. nothing he says is even remotely insane if you actually read it.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:38:02 No. 1869
>>1862 This is not an ideological endorsement (far from it) but rather a shout-out to a really small channel which seems to "stimulate" a significant part of leftypol's community (which can be seen as a good development for this site's activity), just like when I retweet Jason or Caleb.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:38:12 No. 1870
>Anon: do you like cockshott? >Haz: no
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:39:32 No. 1871
>>1840 >-Anglo man bad -Marxism is NOT a western ideology -Merkel is a based anti-imperialist -socialism is when china does stuff -we already live in socialism -socialism is actually like feudalism -O N T O L O G I C A L Is this eurocommunism combined with dengism? kek
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:40:12 No. 1872
>>1870 Makes sense because he's anti anglo and probably sees Cockshott as a left-positivist or something
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:41:51 No. 1873
>>1872 I think it's more his Heideggerianism that pushes him to reject Cockshott's empirically focused Marxism.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:42:47 No. 1874
>>1870 Even the best have some flaws
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:46:53 No. 1876
>>1869 I see no problem, I just wanted to share this tweet. (And I also don't agree with Infrared's ideology)
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:47:09 No. 1877
>>1840 their episodes with cockydooody and fan wennan are good
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:50:16 No. 1878
>>1872 Cockshott is a positivist. it's as clear as day in everything he says about French and German philosophy.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:53:02 No. 1881
>>1880 holy shit first pic made me kek
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:58:21 No. 1882
>>1878 Cockshott is something slightly more nuanced than a positivist, might make an effortpost explaining his stance later
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 00:58:31 No. 1883
>>1880 50% Based
30% schizo
20% BDE
100% Unstoppable
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 01:01:05 No. 1885
>>1884 hes the lefts version of a lolcow, but unlike Jason who sortof knows hes a meme this guy is schizo enough to think hes smart
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 01:14:55 No. 1889
>>1887 >>1880 Is this guy gonna become the schizo/ML/dengist-eurocom version of Vaush/Destiny?
BTW the whole destiny/vaush inspired MS paint bullshit is lazy, if you want a diagram do it in a slideshow presentation thats premade.
I'm not spending my precious remaining time on this earth watching some dude make stick figures. have some production values and brevity you hacks
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 01:16:23 No. 1891
>>1887 'anglo' has seriously gone too far as a meme
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 01:17:40 No. 1892
>>1857 and also send /IG/ to /b/
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 01:18:19 No. 1893
>>1862 jannies being absolute retards as usual
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 01:19:38 No. 1894
he called eugenics-kun a retard so he's based as far as I'm concerned.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 01:26:52 No. 1895
>>1887 we live in a autism box
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 01:52:32 No. 1898
>>1896 >your ideology hasn't accomplished anything (allegedly, I guess he doesn't know about the history of class struggle in the west?) >all you do is read books and get too attached to dogma >therefore, you should listen to my brand new ideology that definitely hasn't accomplished anything yet by my own criterion >also if you disagree with me you're an idiot who doesn't understand the reading This is an open and shut case of projection tbqh.
>Who do I give the benefit of the doubt? >Libertarians >Nazbols >Dugin >Nick Land And yet they don't give the benefit of the doubt to anybody who is mildly skeptical of them from an actually left wing perspective. What about these guys is actually left wing other than choosing to label themselves ML?
Has he commented on historical materialism? It sounds like he doesn't agree with it, since he's diagnosing the left's problem in the west as dogmatic ideology rather than anything material like atomization or precarity getting in the way of workers' power.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:01:05 No. 1899
>>1896 >>1898 >therefore, you should listen to my brand new ideology that definitely hasn't accomplished anything yet by my own criterion >also if you disagree with me you're an idiot who doesn't understand the reading >This is an open and shut case of projection tbqh. basically. He's right to say western MLs haven't accomplished anything but then he proposes his brand new meme ideology. thats why he has to say "in the west", like the west is the entire world. The reason ML became popular is because it succeeded in overthrowing capitalism in Russia and China and like 45% of the planet at one point.
This guy should come back when he organizes a party that does the same, until then his meme ideology is even more disconnected from the material reality of workers movement than the dogmatic MLs he criticizes because at least at
some point historically ML actually worked as opposed to his bongrip abstract contemplations.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:02:48 No. 1900
>>1899 IDK maybe he does shit IRL but so far it looks like he's less useful than my local DSA chapter.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:03:50 No. 1901
>>1897 No matter what you think of them ideologically, in terms of style and condensed autism Haz and his collaborators are the closest /leftypol/ will ever have to a YouTube content creator molded after their collective image. Even the people who hate him on here do not really hate him I think because he's objectively funny (intentionally or not) while having completely edgy exotic fringe beliefs.
Yet despite all that, he does actually seems to get renown guests on? He interviewed Fan Wennan who had an article written about him in the New York Times, and also did a livestream with Katya Kazbek, contributor on Supamodu. All while being under 500 subs.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:05:25 No. 1902
>>1901 >He interviewed Fan Wennan who had an article written about him in the New York Times, and also did a livestream with Katya Kazbek, contributor on Supamodu. All while being under 500 subs. that…is strange and suspicious
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:06:15 No. 1903
>>1901 no idea who those people are
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:08:22 No. 1904
>>1901 >Haz and his collaborators are the closest /leftypol/ will ever have to a YouTube content creator molded after their collective image. A) We're a lot more coherent than these guys on a bad day.
B) There are multiple youtube content creators who post here, and have been for years.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:08:37 No. 1905
OK, I know what the problem with Haz is: He calls himself a marxist. I actually think he is a smart guy, but what he is doing, is creating a new philosophy/ideology. THere is nothing wrong with that and it is totally Ok to take elements from previous ideologies. But don't call yourself a marxist. What he is doing is like, calling yourself a Christian, but taking huge influence from Hinduism. Or calling yourself a Virgin, although you are in praxis a chad.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:09:28 No. 1907
>>1904 I feel like other than the memes theres some quasi schizos
and maybe a janny who unironically like this guy but are too embarrassed to admit it. Possibly haz himself actually is behind some of the schizoposts here or a lurker
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:10:15 No. 1908
>>1906 >Oh fuck off. We are way better than this garbage. Haz isn't molded after our collective image, more like molded after the collective image of all our schizoposters combined
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:10:16 No. 1909
>>1905 Schizo sincretism with ML characteristics.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:10:55 No. 1910
>>1907 I REALLY like his fucking energy tbh.
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:11:49 No. 1911
>>1910 really? I think he comes off as an asshole. Vaush energy but more unhinged
and less theorylet tbf Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:12:26 No. 1912
>>1909 >Schizo sincretism with ML characteristics. Basically, yes. But we must consider, that ALL ideologies are syncretisms. So is Marxism, which is founded on Hegel's dialectics and Feuerbach's materialism.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:13:36 No. 1913
>>1902 They claim to have been connecting/networking for a while before they went public with their YouTube channel. I can't really deny that it feels very internationalist, there is a Mexican guy, some European guys, at least two Chinese and one Russian guy etc. - that their spokesman/leader turned out to be such a autistic unit makes it even more interesting.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:14:29 No. 1915
>>1913 is haz a burger? cant place the accent
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:14:52 No. 1916
>>1905 This is a pretty good point tbh. He's deviated so far from Marx (and has basically no sign of Lenin at all) that it's comical to call himself an ML.
>>1907 I think it's more that people are fascinated/intrigued. He carries himself as if what he says should be really compelling, and it's hard to parse what he's saying at times. It's an intoxicating mix. But if you actually sit down and try to understand it, it's kind of nonsensical.
>>1911 Vaush does stick to a train of thought better which is kind of sad.
>>1915 That or Canadian.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:15:03 No. 1917
>>1915 If he is he's a traitor to his kind considering his pathological crusade against Anglos.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:16:42 No. 1918
>>1913 >their spokesman/leader turned out to be such a autistic unit I have the feeling, that they all are quite autistic. I believe, Haz is the ideological mastermind behind Infrared, he created the ideology of "Infraredism" and the other guys are more or less his disciples.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:17:44 No. 1919
>>1916 Yeah I have no idea why people compare his shtick to Vaush or Destiny. Destiny and Vaush are typical brainlet positivist "logical fallacy" debate bros who would Google something if they heard it for the first time then read out the first result as a proper response. Within their own logical self-imposed edifice Vaush probably feels coherent when he goes to sleep at night. Haz on the other hand comes over as very scatterbrained and eclectic.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:18:14 No. 1920
>>1910 Same, the energy is a huge appeal, also the fact that they're a collective and not just Haz (although he seems to be the one taking the lead with this channel)
>>1915 He is from america, but his roots are in some muslim country. I think Lebanon, but I could be wrong.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:20:04 No. 1921
>>1905 Let me also add this: It makes from a dialectial perspective totally sense. He took marxism, but he modified it in such a heavy way, it is no longer marxism. The is the dialectical jump from quantity to quality. His "marxism" is a completely new beast.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:23:16 No. 1922
>>1919 what exactly is wrong with positivism and why does it get such a bad rap?
Literally every hard science basically assumes vulgar positivism and it seems to get results since science and technology keep advancing. Isn't that proof of its correctness or at least usefulness?
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:25:06 No. 1925
>>1923 >invented im waiting for him to drop the evola pill
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:27:40 No. 1928
>>1922 While there are ideological trenches, I think stuff like theoretical physics and astrophysics does not fall into the category of vulgar positivism. Law is an example that is completely positivist, and hilariously it's even self-aware of it (legal positivism is a subject taught at law school). Most bourgeois social science are positivist, vulgar economics is positivist.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:35:43 No. 1930
>>1915 He lives in Michigan if I recall correctly.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:37:30 No. 1931
>>1915 you can tell by his frequent typos that he is an esl, and is projecting his inability to master the chad anglo language on his viewers.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:43:29 No. 1933
>>1928 How is for example, biology, chemistry, computer science, mathematics, physics (except theoretical physics) not vulgar positivist? Sure you can try to apply hegelianism or something to evolution but imo thats more like an analogy and not really needed to explain it
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:46:13 No. 1934
>>1931 >you can tell by his frequent typos that he is an esl Pretty sure he's just retarded.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:46:37 No. 1935
>>1932 Damn that trailer looks kinda good, but
>warner bros. I have no trust in this movie.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:47:11 No. 1936
>>1934 ESLs usually have an accent this guy just sounds generic burger
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 02:48:44 No. 1937
>>1932 He's a complete retard and a revisionist.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 04:07:05 No. 1940
I kinda wish we had other members like Henry or Grayson on more. He's been streaming a lot lately and being very online.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-03 (Wed) 09:07:16 No. 1942
Haha didn’t even watch that video last night lol, haz my bro, my guy, fella, calling people a bitch on the internet fucking gay as hell fam lmao bitch you’re doing alright just cut the Dugin and turn it down a notch or 2 ay buddy
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 10:22:22 No. 1943
>>1942 >Haz, [just cut the Dugin] He made it explicitly clear that he's not a Dugin fan, but he shared a single (that is one [1]) video interview with Dugin he agreed with 100%, having to do with the USA not being "boss" ("bauws") anymore.
>>1938 That's just Deleuze, picture related! (One of the things I disagree on with Infrared, btw, who seem to prioritize Deleuze & Guattari over Lacan & Freud.)
>>1933 >How is for example, biology, chemistry, computer science, mathematics, physics (except theoretical physics) not vulgar positivist? You mention a series of sciences (and arguably
not a "science" – math), but you are missing the point entirely. By themselves (to talk in the abstract, in a vacuum) literally NOTHING is "positivist," for "positivism" is a PHILOSOPHICAL position (specifically: a position in the philosophy of science), not something that "naturally" emanates from these disciplines. (In other words: you don't know what you are talking about.)
>>1922 >what exactly is wrong with positivism and why does it get such a bad rap? Start a different thread for this and I'll answer. Here we are kinda off topic / rambling.
>>1918 >I have the feeling, that they all are quite autistic. t. autist
>>1916 >if you actually sit down and try to understand it, it's kind of nonsensical. I watched like 20 hours of content from them and it does seem to me that it's a unified system of thought, although I'll give it to you that it's hard to detect this from random clips and so on, which is kinda their fault. (Their "what is Infrared" video is like 2 hours long, lol.)
>>1910 Haz energy is epic.
>>1906 Like it or not, Infrared actually created a network and the infrastructure to put out content in this unified format. This should be commended as an achievement.
Do I agree with 100% of their points? Absolutely not? Does this hinder me from seeing their value? NOPE.
>>1905 >the gatekeeper of Marxism appeared >>1904 >[leftypol is] a lot more coherent than these guys on a bad day. LOL, really?!
>>1899 >This guy should come back when he organizes a party <NOOOOO! YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ORGANIZE A YOUTUBE CHANNEL BEFORE YOU HAVE A PARTY!!!!!!!!! >>1898 >Has he commented on historical materialism? It sounds like he doesn't agree with it, since he's diagnosing the left's problem in the west as dogmatic ideology rather than anything material like atomization or precarity getting in the way of workers' power. I agree to a certain degree, but I'm pretty sure that InfraRed seems these (most visibly) ideological problems as rooted in material reality too.
>>1893 no, you
>>1885 >Infrared is lolcow You either don't understand what Infrared is or what a lolcow is.
>>1878 >Cockshott is a positivist. OBVIOUSLY not the case. He made a video where he explained "muh Science" via Badiou's "The Concept of Model". You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>1873 1. empiricism =/= positivism
2. using empirical data =/= empiricism
You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>1862 based
>>1860 yes
>>1859 t. never read a book in his life
>>1840 Most dishonest/baity OP imaginable.
lenin_cap Lenin Cap Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 10:32:30 No. 1945
>>1943 >Infrared actually created a network and the infrastructure to put out content in this unified format what fucking infrastructure? they literally just make videos and upload them youtube like anyone else
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 10:48:36 No. 1946
>>1945 >>1944 >leninhat schizo <ONLY ONE USER CAN USE A CERTAIN FLAG TO POST UNDER (you)
>>1945 >what fucking infrastructure? I'm not sure if you're aware of this fact, but getting 3 people to form a single group (whatever that may be)
is fucking hard. Now I look at Infrared videos and I see that they have like 8-12(?) different ethnicities and countrymen etc. on their stream, and I'm like "GOD DAMN, this must have took a lot of work!" In all honesty: I'm fugen jealous, dude. Imagine if VAUSH's channel started like so. Wouldn't you agree that this buildup would have been a fucking guarantee against Vaush pushing pro-anglo(/CIA) narratives 24/7 and him having a more nuanced view on international issues?
Infrared already achieved this, for fuck's sake. This is what DEFINES their potential.
You are missing the entire point. Yes, asshole, ANYONE can upload to Youtube, however, having an internationalist platform that is multi-ethnic DOES IN FACT give you the kind of communist strength that lacks with other channels.
What other channels? Well name any of these "breadtube" idiots, from Vaush, through Muke, to Shaun, and you'll see that one of their main problems is that they lack a POV that is outside their CNN/BBC.com comfort zone.
Yes, I'd definitely posit the following: however pre-developed, Infrared holds more potential than the above mentioned, only due to the fact that they are waaaaaay more international.
lenin_cap Lenin Cap sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-03 (Wed) 12:17:47 No. 1948
>>1943 yeh but he called leftypol trash though, which means we should all jump on every one of his streams and harrass him, thus bringing his fan base here, he would probably be /ourguy/ considering his retardo hot takes and nazbol flirtations
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 12:28:17 No. 1949
>>1890 That didn't happen lol.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 12:40:35 No. 1951
>>1948 >yeh but he called leftypol trash though <a user that first contacted a fucking shit-weaving forum called it "shit" brilliant analysis, dearest tripfag (10/10)
It doesn't mean SHIT, and you know it.
They have like 400 subs. What are you even talking about, schzio?
>>1949 no shit
>>1950 based
lenin_cap Lenin Cap sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-03 (Wed) 12:56:13 No. 1953
>>1951 Attention is good. You have no mind for publicity. You are the one that likes his streams, so probably have an affinity with his fan base.
so that is like as many people as visit this entire site, or half as much as BC had at peak. That is a few extra people. What is your issue?
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 13:19:56 No. 1954
>>1953 >What is your issue? Blowing this out of proportion?
lenin_cap Lenin Cap Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 13:32:27 No. 1955
>>1911 he has anger issues but he actually gets mad at people who say retarded shit. Vaush just gets mad if you say anything anti-Democrat.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 13:36:30 No. 1956
>>1943 >OBVIOUSLY not the case. He made a video where he explained "muh Science" via Badiou's "The Concept of Model". You have no idea what you are talking about. link? also just because he made a video explaining it it doesn’t mean he has a correct interpretation of it or an anti positivist view, just like his “critique” of Althusser.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 13:56:42 No. 1957
>>1956 >link? sorry, you'll have to look up his vids one-by-one. (I'm not gonna do this for you.) However, here is his latest book (How the World Works) with his direct reference to Badiou's "The Concept of Model".
He literally mentions it here, and he literally has a separate vid where he shills it.
Q.E.D.: Cockshott is not a fugen positivist.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 15:05:12 No. 1958
Thanks for the maximally uninformative clips, OP.
>>1850 >This belongs in /IG/, why the fuck does every random youtuber deserve a thread? >>1857 >petition jannies to bumplock this thread or merge it into /IG/ I agree with this.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 15:53:30 No. 1959
>>1864 Who controls the /leftypol/ twitter account?
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 16:13:56 No. 1961
>>1943 Local contrarian support dumb shit again
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-03 (Wed) 16:31:54 No. 1962
>>1954 What you are? I just want to troll some sperg into giving us more users
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 17:58:04 No. 1964
>>1963 Shame on you for lowering the standing of this community in using official channels to promote this utter garbage.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 18:24:02 No. 1967
They actually seem to be based and breadpilled.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 19:14:24 No. 1968
>>1967 they don't like cybernetics kind of a downer for me
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 19:28:47 No. 1969
>>1896 How are these ideas any different from those of the DSA? This view of "western" anti-imperialist Marxists as dogmatic is something you would expect from the types of college socialists advocating sending SAM missile launchers to Syrian rebels.
Shitting on Marxism-Leninism makes no sense, especially when you acknowledge the good China has done. How can you alledge that the left is dogmatic and then turn to Asians hanging up portraits of Mao Zedong? There are still large pictures of Stalin in China, it isn't some fusion of Heidegger and Kautsky
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 19:38:13 No. 1970
>>1969 >Shitting on Marxism-Leninism makes no sense, especially when you acknowledge the good China has done. They also claim to
be MLs.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 19:44:47 No. 1972
>>1969 there's a difference between criticizing the mentality of other marxist-leninists (he is one) and trying to create crucifixion and witch-hunts over sexism like the DSA tries to do to prevent people from ever entertaining people to the left of them. Haz clearly doesn't give a fuck about engaging (or other people engaging) with people that don't share his views.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 20:26:23 No. 1973
>>1896 I'd probably agree with him about a lot of things but his energy is too manic for me. Feels like I'm being trapped in the corner of a room at a party and can't get out. Maybe I'm just getting old. But I realize people can blow hot and that gets a reaction.
I listened to what he said though complaining about western MLs "making excuses" for not carrying out a successful revolution because we live in the "imperial core." Well, yes? Is revolution the product of subjective factors or objective historical forces? Or is it both? If you lived in the U.S. in the 20th century, the country was apart from a brief detour in the 1930s always "on the rise" in the world. If you were an American, who would tear that up for a socialist revolution?
Not many, unless they were excluded from it, which is why ML groups in their heyday were disproportionately black and immigrant. But the system has also made reforms at various stages. And for everyone else, there was the "American Dream" which meant that if you bought into this ideology and worked hard, you could build some wealth to pass down to your kids, buy a house and so on, and that gives you a stake in your society and its future. I think to believe you can just "will" a revolution into being without regard for objective conditions leads to ultra-leftist and commandist errors. That said, the relative decline of the U.S. in the world does appear to be creating a crisis for the American ideology.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 20:31:08 No. 1974
>>1899 he's an ML. he's not shilling some brand new meme ideology. where are you getting this idea from?
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 20:33:41 No. 1975
>>1899 >The reason ML became popular is because it succeeded in overthrowing capitalism in Russia and China and like 45% of the planet at one point. Living off past successes is the logic of the bourgeois capitalist.
>>1961 >too small for porky to target >too fast growing to crush >too big for porky to resist Choose no more than two
>>1974 A fwe MLs really are just there for the jackboots.
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 22:48:59 No. 1976
what do they mean by "we already live in socialism"?
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 22:54:38 No. 1977
>>1976 From what I took this is more of a provocation targeted at dogmatists. I think what they want to describe is the difference between capitalism of free competition in the 19th century and state monopoly capitalism in the imperialist stage, but it's all very scatterbrained as you say.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 22:59:17 No. 1978
>>1977 hmm interesting
i get that youd want to make a distinction between """real""" capitalism and current capitalism, but it seems nonsensical to call that socialism
ill look into them more
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 23:03:40 No. 1979
>>1977 ignore these clowns and just read hudson instead
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 23:08:23 No. 1980
>>1978 Socialism in one bourgeoisie
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 23:14:17 No. 1981
>>1980 socialism in one person is the only way forward
Anonymous 2021-02-03 (Wed) 23:35:02 No. 1982
>>1981 brb redistributing surplus in the loo
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 15:49:40 No. 1983
after watching some of their youtube videos im honestly starting to really like some of their positions. dogmatism and this obsession with abstract ephemeral concepts we see from many corners on the left is awful if we ever want to achieve anything and their focus on the material and the lived experience of people in an international concept seems much more fruitful than calling everything you dont like revisionist.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 15:55:13 No. 1984
>>1983 they are already ahead of 80% of this board by their views on philosophy alone
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:03:08 No. 1985
>>1983 >>1984 samefag
probably infrared himself
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:06:56 No. 1986
>>1984 more accurate their knowledge about philosophy i guess, havent seen many leftists talking about dasein
although im not entirely sure if its a genuine insight or just mental masturbation since i havent read many of the works they reference
>>1985 no to both
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:09:36 No. 1987
>>1986 >havent seen many leftists talking about dasein Why would they? It's idealist nonsense
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:13:53 No. 1988
>>1987 this is exactly the kind of dogmatism im glad to see challenged
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:15:02 No. 1989
>>1987 How the fuck is it idealist? It literally refers to a framing of the human subject as something that is NOT an ideal. As something "being there," that actually operates in the world and becomes a subjectivity through existing, acting, participating. Have your contentions with Heidegger all you want, but don't just use words because the feel good in your genitals!
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:16:09 No. 1990
>>1988 >Dogmatism is when you reject Idealism You do you. But don't challenge some Dogmatism here. You just put emphasis on something that isn't vital to Socialism
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:18:17 No. 1991
>>1990 >materialism is when you pretend idealism doesn't exist and doesn't govern action in the here and now If you can't work within multiple paradigms on their own terms without pledging fealty to one of them, it is you who are the pseud.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:22:50 No. 1992
>>1991 >If you can't work within multiple paradigms on their own terms without pledging fealty to one of them, it is you who are the pseud Nothing wrong with that. It just isn't Communist. And this leads to the Bastardization of Marxist Theory like Infrared does. Challenging Marxist Conceptions within a Framework that still is Marxist is good, but "Heidegerian Marxism" is nothing of that Sort
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:25:10 No. 1993
>>1992 >It just isn't Communist I fail to see the problem here, but I'm not a totalist.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:27:40 No. 1994
>>1992 It's not as if this is the world's newest synthesis though. Do you have any criticisms of the people who have attempted the Heidegger-Marx analysis previously?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:46:53 No. 1997
>>1996 Because it's arrogant and porky.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 16:59:31 No. 1998
>>1995 >Y'all pick ONE word and damned well stick with it Oh, you're a casual? Don't worry. One day you will learn how all of these words are connected
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 17:47:16 No. 1999
>>1998 >my religion owns the word God Not one narrative in your movement isn't directly adapted from evangelical Christianity.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 17:51:39 No. 2000
>>1840 >Martin Heidegger, Aleksandr Dugin, Alexandre Kojève, Jacques Lacan, Nick Land, Slavoj Zizek Oh, they're a bunch of fascists pretending to be communists.
Discarded.
lenin_cap Lenin Cap Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 17:56:47 No. 2001
>>2000 Do they actually take cues from Dugin? I always thought it was a meme because they take from Heidegger.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 17:58:07 No. 2002
>>2000 >>2001 All they said was they read their works because they aren't afraid of reading the bad evil stuff by the bad evil people.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 18:02:06 No. 2003
>>2002 You can read who you want. I've read Mein Kampf (boring). But don't try to frame them as communists or proletarian theorists.
lenin_cap Lenin Cap Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 18:06:09 No. 2004
>>2003 Where did anyone frame them as communist or proletarian theorists?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 18:21:13 No. 2007
>>2006 >>Martin Heidegger <NOOO HE WAS A NAZI FOR A SHORT TIME EVEN THOUGH HE DENOUNCED IT LATER it was not "a short time", we have the black notebooks now, there's no reason to deny it. he was a committed nazi and then they lost the war.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 18:29:00 No. 2008
>>2007 The black notebooks show a deeply indoctrinated man, so indoctrinated that he documented a bunch of pitiful attempts to reconcile his philosophy with his ideology in his notebooks. This isn't Carl Schmitt we're talking about here. That said, he only ever implicitly denounced nazism and never apologized.
Heidegger's pre-nazi and post war work has been taken by many leftist thinkers over the years (Kojeve, Marcuse, Jameson (ish)) and they revealed that, ironically, Heidegger may be more useful to leftists than to rightists. If you have an issue with these guys, it should be that they're MLs who almost exclusively reference the influences of the new left and its descendents!
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 18:30:19 No. 2009
proposal
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 18:42:25 No. 2010
>>2006 Yeah they're all fash or anti-communist (except maybe Lacan) sorry to spoil your fun.
lenin_cap Lenin Cap Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 19:01:11 No. 2011
>>2005 >>2006 >>2007 >>2008 Not to mention Heidegger's philosophy is perfectly compatible with the Nazis and was a significant part of the milieu that shaped the fascist turn in Germany at the start of the 20th century. Read Losurdo.
https://www.amazon.com/Heidegger-Ideology-War-Community-Death/dp/1573929107 Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 19:04:06 No. 2012
>>1999 Huh? Are you trippin son?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 19:04:21 No. 2013
>>2011 Based Losurdo does it again
lenin_cap Lenin Cap Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 20:09:52 No. 2015
For some reason they make their live streams unlisted so you can only find them in the playlist for them.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAJIhnd1mbiD4JdPj7DndVRj3UPN8PzQZ >>2009 They seem more schizo than glowie though.
>>2001 >>2002 They've explicitly said they take ideas from at least Dugin and Land in their recent streams.
>>2010 Doesn't Lacan consider homosexuality a perversion and non-traditional families to undermine muh western civilization? Here's an excerpt from an intro to Lacan I'm reading (more context is posted here >>>/b/10661 in the "anorectal violence" thread)
<More and more single women are deliberately having children, ostensibly rejecting the importance of triangulation (for example, the introduction of a third term in the mother-child dyad, an outside, a symbolic Other; or the institution of the paternal metaphor); and more and more lesbian couples are raising children, seemingly eschewing or downplaying the importance of the father. Combined with the de facto increase in the divorce rate and the consequent increase in the number of children being raised solely by their mothers, and with the growing antiauthoritarian attitude toward children among men (no doubt at least in part encouraged by certain modern-day feminist discourses), the paternal function seems to be in danger of extinction in certain social milieus. <Lacan does not claim that the paternal or father function—the instatement of a father figure in a role of authority beyond the mother—is the nec plus ultra of family structure. His discourse is not that of "family values," pitting Dan Quayle against Murphy Brown. Lacan does not assert that the father should be propped up in our society. Rather, he issues a warning: to reject the father's role, to undermine the father's current symbolic function, will lead to no good; its consequences are likely to be worse than those of the father function itself, increasing the incidence of psychosis. This is one of the things Lacan had in mind when, in 1971, he entitled Seminar XIX ". . . ou pire" (". . . or Worse"), one of the possible elided words being père ("father"). If we view the father as the lesser of two evils, to reject the father is to opt for the worse. <Lacan's challenge to discourses that encourage the elimination of the paternal function would run something like this: "Can something like the paternal metaphor—providing the fundamental link between signifier and signified, between language and meaning—be instated without the father as symbolic function? If so, how? If not, is there some other way to introduce an outside—that is, to triangulate the mother-child relationship and stave off psychosis? How can this be done without relying on the symbolic order and its ability to intercede in the imaginary, the world of rivalry and war? Doesn't one sex have to play the part of symbolic representative?" <Unless some other way of achieving the same effect is found—Lacan's work would seem to suggest—the practices that stem from such discourses run the risk of increasing the incidence of psychosis. Is Lacan some kind of arch-conservative, or is this guy wildly misrepresenting him?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 20:21:57 No. 2016
>>2015 >They seem more schizo than glowie though. yes but that isn't low hanging fruit in pun form
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 20:25:01 No. 2017
>>2016 >yes but that isn't low hanging fruit in pun form There's probably some kind of joke to be made about schizophrenics seeing things that aren't there and infrared light being outside the visible spectrum. Even without making that joke, their tagline from the about section on their channel says "Marxist-Leninist analysis beyond the visible spectrum" which is exactly how schizos see themselves.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 20:27:01 No. 2018
>>2017 true but thats not really a pun. its more a witty retort.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 20:48:48 No. 2022
>>2019 Aren't they westerners themselves? Or are they LARPing as Third worlders?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 20:49:53 No. 2023
>>2022 Some are westerners, some are from elsewhere.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 20:52:14 No. 2024
>>2021 Don't forget your ceremonial meth pipe
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:02:55 No. 2025
Join the stream he is reacting to this thread
https://youtu.be/TxHGVmPhcBU He will be addressing to all your criticisms
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:08:42 No. 2026
>>2011 So is Hegel, are we throwing out dialectics now?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:21:30 No. 2030
I posted this in another thread, in defense of Infrared.plus the good dose of lols . I don't give a shit if you "believe" them or not. I'm tired of sterility, both in theory and in praxis. fuck you .
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:25:30 No. 2031
Be nice to Haz. They plan on taking on Breadtube and Vaush and all those radlibs. He's not your enemy.ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:26:39 No. 2032
>>2031 he should go debate vaush then
it would be very funny
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:27:30 No. 2033
>>2032 Vaush would never debate such a small tankie channel.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:27:50 No. 2034
>>2030 good post, dogmatist retards and larpers do more to harm the left than any CIA agent
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:27:52 No. 2035
>>2033 I mean he did Hakim
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:28:18 No. 2036
>>2033 That's why he needs to grow. He says they have a master plan to grow really fast.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:29:17 No. 2037
I am now fully committed Marxist-Hazist! This is the anti-anglo ideology we need to transform the Zeitgeist of a world constrained by a dying Us/Anglo empire.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:31:42 No. 2040
>>2038 based crypto commie
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:35:10 No. 2041
>>2038 UNFATHOMABLY BASED
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:39:49 No. 2042
>>2039 You do realize that continental philosophy has nothing to do with Anglos?
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:47:33 No. 2043
He just came out in support of Jimmy Dore's #forcethevote.ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:50:58 No. 2045
Who the fuck is "Markuuse" does he mean Marcuseddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:54:13 No. 2047
>he likes the CPUSA even though they have shitty politics ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:55:10 No. 2048
>>2046 >>2047 He used the CPUSA as an example of how corrupt American politics are. He doesn't like them at all
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:56:58 No. 2049
>>2046 >>2047 i dont know if youre being intellectually dishonest or are just not very intelligent but he said absolutely nothing positive about them
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 21:58:52 No. 2050
>>2048 What? He said the US already has a communist party, of which he said that they have shitty politics but still command a lot of the old infrastructure rooted in unions and the theory that was developed within the last 100 years. I'll let Haz correct me if he reads this
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:00:19 No. 2051
>>2049 What this anon said
>>2050 I mean maybe he thinks the CPUSA is bad, but if that's his position he is terrible at making that clear.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:06:39 No. 2053
>>2052 Are we rising for real?
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:10:03 No. 2055
>yall come at this from an anglo, axiomatic point of view <you can't be autistic AND schizophrenic. it's literally impossible.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:13:40 No. 2057
Based views on LGBT too.ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:13:56 No. 2058
>>2050 >still command a lot of the old infrastructure rooted in unions He too believes the Democratic Party is a Leninist party? Neat
>>2056 >Marx said children should work >sex work is work >therefore Jim Waktins is a commie Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:17:18 No. 2059
i am the 100% heterosexual strawman
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:25:42 No. 2061
>>2051 yeah this guy is not very good at articulating himself. he does have a lot of very good points though.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:29:00 No. 2062
>>2061 That's just because you're an anglo and you think logically and axiomatically. If you abandon coherent thought, the possibilities are endless.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:35:17 No. 2063
>>2062 an attempt at being funny was made, i see
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:36:01 No. 2064
>>2063 anglo-saxon humour is no laughing matter
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:36:34 No. 2065
>Revolution isn't the be-all end-all. You have to see the right time for revolution and be ready for it. >Intersectionality is bad because you are just treating "marginalized people" as those categories and using them . anarcho-communism Anarcho-Communism
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:37:28 No. 2066
>>2065 >>Revolution isn't the be-all end-all. You have to see the right time for revolution and be ready for it. Maoist strategy fits this pretty well.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:37:34 No. 2067
>>2062 Anglo humour sucks really badly
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:40:27 No. 2069
>>2065 Yeah this take is based AF
>>2068 <Bookchin The jokes write themselves
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:41:10 No. 2070
really excited to hear the alfred debate
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:43:52 No. 2071
>>2030 >We're here to learn, to shitpost, to have fun, and to change the world Bruh, Infrared takes himself way to serious, as that your hypothesis might be true. If I have fun, by calling him a schizo, he would verbally harass me, because he has no chill
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:46:06 No. 2072
>>2047 Since when did you become such a Cheerleader? Normally your posts are somewhat nuanced
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:47:29 No. 2074
>>2073 The million categories is anglo brain rot and sexuality is much more fluid than that. The idea of clear categories is invented by western modernity etc
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:49:19 No. 2075
>>2074 Oh, yeah seems reasonable. What is he suggesting? Abandoning the Concept altogether and not caring anymore? Would be my proposal atleast
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:50:07 No. 2076
>I HATE THIS GREEN FONT >IT'S SO PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE AND THEY'RE TALKING OUT THEIR ASS
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:52:55 No. 2077
>>2072 Because I like them even though I disagree with a lot of their stuff. I'm interested to see where they go, that's all.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:54:57 No. 2078
>>2064 You have forced me to kek instead.
>>2069 Should we start calling dogmatists bookchins? How about the occasional kiddies on /pol/ who just took their cuckonomics 101 final and think they know the meaning of life?
>>2076 <YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE FONT COLORS AND ANAL VENTRILOQUISM BUCKO? Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:56:26 No. 2079
Do these niggas support modern China? What do they see in it?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:58:09 No. 2080
>>2079 I honestly cannot discern any actual politics from this stream. It is a mish-mash of barely understood concepts and badly mangled and somewhat correct criticisms which are applied to no real end. It is talking for its own sake, but with a bunch of philosophically and academically abstracted marxism.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:59:49 No. 2081
Okay here is some criticism: I think people like Lacan and Heidegger are worth reading but they're just on another level than Nick Land or Dugin. The former are actually well-accepted and reviewed contributions to philosophy, Land is a bit of a crackpot and Dugin is Russia's more well-read Alex Jones. I think it's a mistake to elevate them to that level.ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 22:59:58 No. 2082
>>2075 seemed that way to me. honestly the complete dissolution of the concept of gender (not sex, obviously) is preferrable to the bullshit we have no in the west
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:00:17 No. 2083
>>2080 I'm not going to claim that they don't have an actual ideology, but they for sure are failing to communicate one. The "schizo" moniker is actually extremely accurate because of the disorganized way they are talking about these subjects and not really connecting them together, but behaving as if what they are saying is of profound importance.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:02:27 No. 2084
haz youre propably gonna read this, heres some advice to you. stop engaging with bad faith discussion, bait and trolling. its just gonna make you look like a hot headed idiot and turn people away. focus on getting your points across.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:02:47 No. 2085
>>2083 it doesn't help that they refer to all kinds of other media elsewhere that nobody will bother to look up because why-the-fuck-would-they
they might've studied marx for a trillion years for all I care but they've obviously not organized a single fucking thing irl in their lives. you should have a simple bullet-point list of your beliefs and ideas you can reiterate at any given time if you just don't want to do the whole shebang.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:03:54 No. 2087
>>2085 >it doesn't help that they refer to all kinds of other media elsewhere that nobody will bother to look up because why-the-fuck-would-they It's more than that though. They are incorporating ideas from a bunch of eclectic sources but making it unclear what the source is or what version of the idea is, so even if you are as knowledgeable as they are it's literally impossible to follow because they're not providing the necessary context.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:04:51 No. 2088
>>2087 it is amazing how it manages to be both the apex of the dumbest parts of the academic left while also failing at even the most basic aspects of the academic part of the academic left
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:06:21 No. 2090
>>2088 I mean that's pretty much academia these days isn't it?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:06:50 No. 2091
>>2090 Well, true, but there isn't really an academic left within current academia anymore so a bit of a moot point
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:07:21 No. 2092
>>2082 What we have in the West is gender neoliberalism.
>>2083 He needs to:
<A1. write <A2. get an editor OR
<B1. write <B2. post here <B3. defend <B4. edit <B5. goto B2 Philosophy in denial on television in denial is just not going to work out well.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:08:33 No. 2095
>using a black person in a reaction image is blackface
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:09:38 No. 2096
>>2093 Imagine thinking the CPUSA needs millions of dollars to survive lmao
I don't think they even have like associated unions anymore, all they really do is a bit of like food drives and shit and print out posters
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:10:52 No. 2097
>>2096 Well, after Soviet sponsoring for communist parties dried up after 1991, they all did shrink significantly.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:11:43 No. 2098
>>2096 And tell people to vote democrat.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:11:53 No. 2099
NOTICE ME HAZ
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:12:20 No. 2100
>>2097 I mean you could argue that was because communism generally seemed defeated
even if you still believed in communism it wouldn't be unreasonable to leave because it'd be expected there would be a crackdown
>>2098 true
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:13:20 No. 2101
>>2092 >What we have in the West is gender neoliberalism. yeah and it fucking sucks
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:14:25 No. 2102
Wow he actually went through the fucking thread. Maybe he's really an autist not a schizo because as Haz (peace be upon him) as told us, it's impossible to be both.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:15:06 No. 2103
>>2095 pic
>>2101 Don't worry, you too can develop your gender capital and become a gender entrepreneur, and if you work your gender hard enough, you can gender retire early with massive gender gains.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:15:49 No. 2104
my man is extrapolating a critique of his incoherence into me not liking mixing peas and mashed potatoes together
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:16:17 No. 2105
>Why is a mishmash significant?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:18:44 No. 2106
I want to see a debate between Haz and Man in the wall (or Jason Unruhe)
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:20:18 No. 2108
>Nick Land is one of the most clear and concise writers I've ever read.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:21:38 No. 2109
Isn't the whole "Dugin is very influential" very much a meme furthered by Russiagating liberals? Liberals love to overplay Dugin's influence and think he's got Putin's ear when he's in fact pretty isolated.ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:21:55 No. 2111
>>2108 nick land has written other works than fanged noumena ya know
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:22:10 No. 2112
I like how he makes a point about anti-academicism but he always brings up all kinds of books and writings without talking about what he thinks of these works or what points he wants to make by bringing them up, basically always presuming an academic context within his own dialog. just say what you like about Land or Dungin or whoever rather than just say "read (x)", its literally a meme as old as Bookchin
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:24:44 No. 2113
>communicating a political program is being put in a box >everything is connected a priori
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:26:12 No. 2114
would it be a stretch to say Infrared is like The Grayzone but in podcast form?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:26:38 No. 2115
Western Marxist: everything needs to be defined by putting everything in a box because humans are totally robots
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:27:50 No. 2116
Has anyone this webm of Socialism with chinese characteristics? Where this chinese acedemic is talking about the "huge ideological box"?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:29:31 No. 2117
I really wanna know in what regards he is banned from academia
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:31:37 No. 2118
>>2105 Still trying to break into bourgeois politics when they have reserved the right to reject you for their own reasons? That's like asking them to hand you a revolution, pretty please. I get the sense that vanguards just want to get elected, cash out, and go grill.
>>2117 Failing to capitalize Black is grounds for permanent exile.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:31:54 No. 2119
>agrees with dsa >agrees with cpusa GOMMIE GOPTER RIDE anarcho-capitalism Anarcho-Capitalism
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:32:43 No. 2120
>>2093 CPUSA seems full of neo-Browderites but without any of the infrastructure that made their "Popular Front" strategy work during the Great Depression. They have no good reason to be peddling that shit now imo.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:37:15 No. 2125
>english accent >goes full dixie
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:37:59 No. 2127
>ideologies aren't created in a lab >for instance nationalism
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:39:02 No. 2128
PLEASE LEFTYPOL! HELP INFRARED MAKE A READING LIST
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:40:47 No. 2131
Haz, what are your thoughts about Cirno?
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:43:09 No. 2134
>>2128 Fuck dat. The very first goal of anyone partaking in discourse should be writing your own damn footnotes.
Seriously this guy needs to get off youtube and write, if only to straighten and clear his mind.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:43:17 No. 2135
>>2120 okay, thoughts on the CR-CPUSA? (even though you're all not maoist)
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:43:45 No. 2136
>>2129 haz this post's image is actually a PDF
if you click it, it will download the entire book for you
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:43:45 No. 2137
Based, taking down "direct action", always hated this term thrown around as a shield in Anglo leftist discourse.ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:43:57 No. 2138
thank you for having the patience to engage with these retards Haz. I've been trying to tell these retards about pseudo-activity for years (from Zizek) but I get called an armchair for it.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:50:49 No. 2142
RE: "Vanguard"; I wonder how much correspondence CPUSA has had with CCP via IMCWP.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:50:56 No. 2143
Can you ask Ezra what's up with the "CCP" acronym the West started to use collectively for the Communist Party of China? I feel like they cooked that up and used it overnight. Like, there is no media outlet in the West that would use "CPC" anymore.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:52:15 No. 2144
>>2142 I think its ultimately pretty funny to have a hangup with the idea of a vanguard when the entire point was that by just throwing out not even sources but authors he is neglecting to actually make his own points
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:55:53 No. 2145
>people can't relate to their communities to create direct action
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:56:41 No. 2147
>>2144 >by just throwing out not even sources but authors he is neglecting to actually make his own points Almost like it's about intellectual masturbation to these guys and they want to make a big deal about how much and who they've read and if you disagree with them they flex their reading list.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:57:24 No. 2148
>just one more post anarchism Anarchism
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:57:51 No. 2149
>>2146 lots of people don't like hinterlands because of the flowery, "poetic" language alone
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:58:34 No. 2151
>>2146 It's like a handful of people at most who like Hinterlands here.
Anonymous 2021-02-04 (Thu) 23:58:56 No. 2152
>>2150 He already is.
We all are.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:03:02 No. 2154
MS PAINT TIME
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:03:24 No. 2155
"I'll release my books when I release them"LAZY GOMMIE GETS THE GOPTER RIDE BIRST anarcho-capitalism Anarcho-Capitalism
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:04:32 No. 2159
I would totally read his books tbh if they are even half entertaining as his streams.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:05:22 No. 2160
>>2159 he should honestly start a blog like his friend cockydooody
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:05:53 No. 2161
>>2159 I hope they're novels with Rei and Neon as the antagonists.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:05:56 No. 2162
>>2137 Absolutely fucking retarded a strike is direct action it’s the only action that gets results
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:06:24 No. 2163
>>2159 I guarantee he has not written anything longer than like 20 pages
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:07:47 No. 2167
>>2165 He's right, you know.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:10:07 No. 2174
>>2141 we must embrace maulist-leninism
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:10:22 No. 2175
The true Leninist was Count Dooku tbh.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:10:40 No. 2176
>>2175 Dooku is Blanquist tbh
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:15:53 No. 2178
what hentai tags do you like
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:15:58 No. 2179
<what are the mechanisms
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:16:00 No. 2180
>>2160 >I have several blogs; you just can't find them Link your blog(s), coward
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:18:48 No. 2181
>>2162 Strikes in the US were made effective by free and independent trade unions. Those haven't really existed since 1947.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:19:08 No. 2182
>>2165 >>2180 >I have written a bunch of books and have several blogs, but they're too difficult for you, I promise. He keeps telling people to put their money where their mouth is and debate him but he won't even publish his books or tell people about his blogs? What happened to anonymity being cowardice?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:19:20 No. 2183
Why wouldn't he reveal at least one blog if he's confident in his ideas?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:19:39 No. 2184
Haz, what do you think about Rei?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:20:20 No. 2185
youre stuck here now
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:20:33 No. 2187
Haz is kind of hot tbh.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:21:05 No. 2189
are there any programmers in infrared? just curiousacceleration Acceleration
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:21:20 No. 2190
Does Haz smoke hash?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:21:52 No. 2191
What is the best way to describe Infrared if I wanted to introduce them to my grandparents?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:23:09 No. 2195
Why do these Infrared guys never want to debate the people who challenge them in chat?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:23:52 No. 2196
Honestly I'd have more respect for these infrared guys if they made some proper music.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:24:46 No. 2199
I wonder if Haz has any writings about videogames
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:25:01 No. 2201
Debate time. Let's see if they have the mettleddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:25:10 No. 2202
>first person to come and debate haz
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:25:25 No. 2203
>>2201 Is it you DDR anon?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:26:17 No. 2207
btw stop shitposting, let's keep this focused.ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:27:17 No. 2208
>I'm muting you
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:27:20 No. 2209
>>2203 fucking no way I'm this high-pitched creature, I have a deep manly voice, bitches.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:27:45 No. 2211
>>2208 this is already a shitshow
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:28:02 No. 2212
mickey mouse vs shadow
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:28:57 No. 2214
>>2209 Then why don't you debate him like you promised you little pussy?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:29:14 No. 2215
>>2205 Who gave you permission to post my waifu?
tankie Tankie Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:30:14 No. 2217
>the eternal victim anarchism Anarchism
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:30:24 No. 2218
People give Haz a hard time for him being emotional and unhinged, but he actually only gets mad at retards and people who insult him. He's never aggressive towards people who are friendly or neutral towards himddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:30:50 No. 2219
We are brutal and violent towards him guys ;_;
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:30:51 No. 2220
>calling me a schizo is LITERALLY VIOLENCE
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:31:36 No. 2222
APOLOGIZE LEFTYPOL
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:31:50 No. 2223
>>2214 I would but the question I had for them was already answered. Do you have an idea on what we could debate?
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:32:43 No. 2224
>>2219 A thousand years of suffering on Duginists.
tankie Tankie Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:34:11 No. 2229
>>2223 The value of Heidegger thought in Marxism, idk, it depends on what your disagreements are with him.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:34:23 No. 2230
DDR-anon go on Infrared; haz wants you
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:35:06 No. 2232
>>2230 Yeah DDR anon, please debate him, he wants to be your bro.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:35:21 No. 2235
>you must apologize for calling me a bitch and then we'll be civil
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:35:29 No. 2236
>>2229 nobody on this board has a clue about Heidegger or his ideas lol. the only people who dismiss him attack his character or just dismiss him for not being a based communist.
acceleration Acceleration Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:37:10 No. 2239
lmao is that communizer person trying to lure him on his Discord?ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:40:25 No. 2244
Haz, I don't think it's the MLs on this board who are the majority of your detractors. Most of the shit flying your way comes probably from other tendencies.ddr DDR
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:41:51 No. 2247
>>2246 It's obviously a symbiotic relationship /leftypol/ has with these guys.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:42:40 No. 2248
>>2247 this is so stupid I have finally come on board
haz should form an alliance with /leftypol/ or something, we can link him on our homepage
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:43:34 No. 2249
I like this. It feels like a radio show.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:44:05 No. 2250
of the post-68ers who're still alive, Badiou still seems to fashion himself a communist
CEO of leftypol 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:45:38 No. 2252
We officially support Haz and Infrared in their struggle against Anglo -Empiricism.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:46:08 No. 2253
>>2252 Seconded
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:46:41 No. 2254
>>2247 He should just embrace it.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:51:24 No. 2259
>>2255 Yeah, it's a rather nice discussion
and the voice of the "debater" is cute tbh Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:52:42 No. 2261
>>2259 Debater is incredibly based and coherent and Haz needs somebody like that to reel in his directionless thrashing.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:53:59 No. 2262
>>2261 although its amazing for content, haz's erratic behavior is really not doing any good for them
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:54:22 No. 2263
>>2255 >>2259 its fundamentally wrong in that the adoption of measures of central planning and stuff isn't an adoption of socialism but is rather an inevitability of capitalism because of the inevitable consolidation of capital with a falling rate of profit - it is definitively new left dialog completely dancing around the actual material point of the structure of society and instead opting for this kind of cultural and social analysis
all that said
>>2261 is right, the debater has Haz be at least somewhat fucking coherent. its like the first time he has made an actual political point or had a real discussion this stream.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:56:05 No. 2264
>>2263 >its fundamentally wrong in that the adoption of measures of central planning and stuff isn't an adoption of socialism but is rather an inevitability of capitalism because of the inevitable consolidation of capital with a falling rate of profit - it is definitively new left dialog completely dancing around the actual material point of the structure of society and instead opting for this kind of cultural and social analysis Fucking exactly. It's literally just monopoly capitalism. Perhaps the confusion is the whole "state capitalism" discourse equivocating any kind of monopolization whether private or state-owned.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:56:53 No. 2265
Just tuned in. Is this a leftypoler I hear here?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:57:34 No. 2266
>>2265 yes and no?
s/ he is on the cytube organizing movie nights I think.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:57:47 No. 2267
>>2265 yeah, he's a leftypoler. his name's Haz.
acceleration Acceleration Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:57:57 No. 2268
>A lot of leftypol MLs are closet leftcoms
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:58:10 No. 2271
>>2252 Debater: "I think a lot of /leftypol/ MLs are closet leftcoms in the sense that for them, everything is program, program, program"
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 00:58:22 No. 2272
>>2266 Use two *s on each side to spoiler.
>>2267 I guess Haz is a leftypoler now lol
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:00:03 No. 2273
>>2272 haz is honorary /leftypol/
he survived the trial by fire
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:01:10 No. 2274
>>2270 Of course to the schizophrenic ramblings of the man who proclaims we already magically lives in socialism while simultaneously proclaiming that the definitions of working and capitalist class are out of date….some how? Would say we are the leftcoms.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:02:26 No. 2275
>>2274 No it's not Haz who said that but the person debating him.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:02:48 No. 2276
really constructive conversation thus far
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:03:05 No. 2278
>>2274 /leftypol/ definitely has strong leftcom influences. All that bordiga posting rubbed off.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:04:00 No. 2280
>>2277 >man, that is really being enamored with aesthetics lel Yeah meanwhile the CPUSA has been a fed party fronting for the democrats for decades. And wasn't he just complaining about US being too caught up in aesthetics?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:05:24 No. 2281
>>2280 any "aesthetic" angle can be turned against you because it is inherently not anchored in real meaning
your victories and triumphs on behalf of the proletariat is what you should champion yourself by
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:06:06 No. 2282
HAZ IS FINALLY MAKING SENSE WE NEED A COMMIE FORCE THE VOTE YES
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:06:59 No. 2284
>wisdom of socialism
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:07:50 No. 2285
somebody tell the guest, he should stop slurping and making these sounds with his mouth
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:08:19 No. 2286
>>2285 nah. little speech ticks like that are kinda cute imho.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:09:14 No. 2288
>>2283 Please please, debate him, I'm sure this would be an extremely interesting conversation.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:09:57 No. 2289
>>2277 It's interesting how he's enamored with CPUSA as a brand—which I totally sympathize with, when it's usually the Browder-era of the party (1930s-1940s) that most people are typically drawn to. This is made more apparent with organizations like DSA having reconstituted that "fausitan bargain" (bad) as the debater mentioned or, "Commuinism is 20th Century Americanism" in all but name.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:11:58 No. 2290
Reaganism was the first type of american socialism????
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:12:06 No. 2291
>>2285 Yep like
>>2286 said it's really cute.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:13:06 No. 2292
>>2290 In an aesthetical sense, but it's still really contentious to say the least.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:13:25 No. 2293
>>2275 You must have missed the last few streams
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:13:37 No. 2294
>>2289 also the entire idea that neoliberalism is a form of socialism is very funny, if anything it is more the incorporation of the psychological elements of fascism into the liberal ideological framework.
>>2292 "aesthetical" seems to be the only level they think on a lot of the time
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:14:08 No. 2297
>>2280 The real fed posting are people who say the CPUSA are full of feds and some how that means you shouldn't join.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:14:26 No. 2298
>>2296 I mean, that is basically what socialism in one country is.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:14:40 No. 2299
>>2278 This is stupid, last we checked we were mostly marxist leninist . Some one make a strawpoll.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:17:13 No. 2300
What if someone posted Haz on /pol/?brocialism Brocialism
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:17:52 No. 2302
>>2294 >"aesthetical" seems to be the only level they think on a lot of the time Yeah, while I can understand why one would focus on that, I'm really tired of this kind of leftist analysis it's too prevalent compared to the concrete analysis of the current relationship of production like someone such as Michael Roberts do but it's true that not only it requires a firm grasp on central Marxist concepts but it is far less "sexy" and on the surface "boring".
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:18:59 No. 2303
>>2292 I'd be interested to hear his thoughts on FDR and the Federal Art Project.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:19:03 No. 2304
Image of the future
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:19:23 No. 2305
Eudeomonia knows more about leftism than me, and I'm more knowledgeable than a lot.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:20:21 No. 2306
>>2300 Please no, right now his streams are comfy, it would no longer be the case with retarded nazbols.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:20:35 No. 2307
>>2305 They had a debate with Socialism Done Left that was also really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEd7ret127g Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:20:42 No. 2308
>>2302 well there are good analysis of the cultural and aesthetical aspects of capitalism through people like Fisher which are far more correct and enlightening than this
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:21:43 No. 2309
>>2300 for the love of god nobody do this
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:25:27 No. 2311
>>2307 Yep the stream was great, Euda argued very well
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:29:31 No. 2312
when i first found out about these guys 2 days ago through this thread i was very sceptical but this was extremely insightful.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:33:27 No. 2313
Main points from Haz as of now:sandinista Sandinista
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:34:38 No. 2314
>>2313 There is also someone about Heidegger being the key to update Marx in the West but i'm too small brain for that.
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:35:21 No. 2315
>>2313 Any reading recommendations on the EFF?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:43:05 No. 2318
>>2317 Hey, the EFF does great work.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:43:22 No. 2319
>>2317 the EFF is literally just pretty by-the-book MLs with Sankarist leanings
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:50:42 No. 2320
It'd be obscenely based if someone cuts eudemonia's segment and posts here.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:52:18 No. 2321
Damn, I feel I'm so behind theoretically. But I feel on an instinctual level what they talk about to be very true, dogmatic leftist are the real 'conservatives'.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:52:23 No. 2322
>>2320 Plenty of meme material
anarchism Anarchism Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:53:30 No. 2323
>>2314 he said something about westeners not having any real objective connection to socialism and heidegger, specifically dasein is a useful tool for giving that connection
sadly im also too small brained to understand that, gonna have to add another book to my reading list i guess
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:55:47 No. 2324
>>2323 >westeners not having any real objective connection He could have stopped there and been mostly correct.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:59:33 No. 2326
So this dude is leftypol's resident lolcow?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:59:49 No. 2327
>>2321 you honestly aren't missing much from the new left. really just think about liberalism as incorporating all of the psychological aspects of fascism into their ideology and you've basically gotten all of their theoretical contributions to leftism.
>>2325 probably because you are deeply retarded. the new left and stirner are like exact opposites, they are very spooked.
>>2326 yes
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 01:59:50 No. 2328
>>2323 >westeners not having any real objective connection to socialism What if easterners are not having a real objective connection to socialism?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 02:14:00 No. 2329
>>2323 start with Hubert Drayfus' lectures. he uses plenty of everyday examples so everything he says is extremely easy to understand.
just read the pages he tells you to before each lecture
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 02:18:04 No. 2330
>>2325 If anything he's spooking it worse, lol
eudaimonia 2021-02-05 (Fri) 02:25:07 No. 2331
>>2209 You’re my favorite poster
left_communism Left Communism eudaimonia 2021-02-05 (Fri) 02:28:57 No. 2333
>>2331 Also, I’m not the reactionary leftcom flag poster, nor am I a leftcom it is just a flag
socialism Socialism Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 02:32:15 No. 2334
>>2331 I agree even though I have my disagreement with GDR anon, I must admit his posts and responses are always well thought out and argued, he is one of the few who actually quotes authors instead of making shit up.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 03:00:11 No. 2336
>>2334 I like GDR anons posts. I believe there's at least one more anon that frequently uses it.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 03:39:07 No. 2338
>>2292 It's not aesthetic, it's material if you're working within their internal logic. The hoax is that the aesthetics were entrenched in capitalism and a freer market, when in truth there was a remarkably high degree of continuous (the most important word) government sustenance of a ever increasing debt load due to sudden tax cuts. They realized, coupled with increased militarism, that debt would be meaningless to them at the point from which they were beginning and that they'd be able to control its implications in a global system, in fact using it to its advantage of one of many things to become made into security. In a way, has money not become illusory at that point? To some extent abolished?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 03:42:46 No. 2339
>>2319 Yeah, and that's why they're based
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 03:50:39 No. 2340
>>2313 Re watching their "What Infrared is all about" i found another interesting point:
-The Western marxists act in relation with the system as pure negation without (mostly) bringing any constructive/positive/peculiar element in their political discourse. They lack the pars costruens to say.
(At the end of the day is the same point Caleb says with his "city builder" stuff only said in a more academic sounding way, and maybe that's why they're huge fan of Caleb, or at least why Haz is).
Also that's why they look to the EFF as something to study and appreciate.
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 04:30:35 No. 2341
If people new to this thread are wondering what is being discussed here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHGVmPhcBU Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 05:25:42 No. 2345
>>2344 Is this an ontological question?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 05:45:47 No. 2347
>>2343 eudaimonia is chill af. like nigga, just make a youtube channel.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 05:55:00 No. 2348
>>2347 Dunno. He seems like a nice dude. His whole point about "you are about a positive vision, but why are you so angry at trolls?" misses the mark. You can't separate these two. Being passionate about something isn't reduceable to "love". Take Lenin or Marx or whomever and they clearly had passionate hatred for idiots while having a passionate love or support for the cause of the proletariat.
Also, his
>the essence of alienation is our inability to love is just hippy dippy BS.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 05:57:37 No. 2349
>>2347 In any case, Infrared should be acknowledged for the fact that they are bringing in new voices otherwise would remain hidden.
eudaimonia 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:01:11 No. 2350
>>2348 No, the essence of alienation is the process by which capitalism makes people objects defined by their productive capacity
socialism Socialism Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:04:27 No. 2351
>>2349 I get a lot of lols from him being angry. I also don't think he's actually angry. It's more passion + frustration. I don't know. I get it all the time here arguing with retards. I don't get angry, I just get really worked up.
>>2348 True.
>>2350 picrel.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:05:37 No. 2352
>>2268 >>2271 kinda weird statement ITT, considering most ML posters here (at least judging by the flags – DDR, Lenin hat, Sandinista) seem to support Infrared. Dunno who these "leftypol MLs" are supposed to be.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:09:30 No. 2353
>>2350 >the essence is a process So it's not an essence then.
eudaimonia 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:21:03 No. 2354
>>2352 >leftypol MLs A construct in his head when made a persona. When I referred to it I meant discrete posts I see here that may have corresponded to his frustration. They are anons, not flag posters. In truth, these were mostly posts trolling him but I do think people on leftypol can be very cut and dry about how they approach concepts regardless of tendency. I think he was bummed because he thought he wasn’t being accepted by MLS.
To be clear, I was not looking to accurately represent my beliefs so much as find common ground. They have good things to say and I wanted to hear more about them.
socialism Socialism Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:28:04 No. 2356
>>1875 He's really handsome actually lol
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:35:34 No. 2360
Okay I'm finally listening to the stream, and out of all the posts, mine "triggered him the most." Fucking nailed him lol. Hey, this is fun.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:41:42 No. 2362
>>2360 It's kinda lame that you get enjoyment from trolling people who are trying to do honest work.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:48:16 No. 2364
>>2363 Haz does have a point tho: you like attacking them from this anonymous forum? Have the balls and join their stream. Oh, what's that? You prefer to be a random troll? Okay, big boy. You sure "attacked" them.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:50:55 No. 2366
>>2364 Sure, that sounds like it could be insightful. Maybe I'll call in. Maybe we can talk about the CPUSA. I'm listening to the stream and agree with what he's saying about them.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 06:57:54 No. 2368
What the fuck has this guy even done besides be a really obnoxious contrarian? I don't understand why you faggots are worshipping him, the more I listen to him the more I'm confused as to why the fuck leftypol is obsessed with him.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 07:01:47 No. 2369
>>2364 It's literally just contrarian philosophical diarrhea, the only reason leftypol think infrared are saying anything is because it's really
ANGRY and
confident contrarian philosophical diarrhea. Y'all are just falling for the speech-check.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 07:12:46 No. 2370
>>2369 And falling for your post that tries to discredit them is failing a confidence-check.
Whip your genitals out and tell me what exactly you disagree with them.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 07:12:48 No. 2371
>>1901 >the closest /leftypol/ will ever have to a YouTube content You mean the closest /leftypol/'s namefags will ever have in terms of youtube content
sendero_luminoso Sendero Luminoso Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 07:16:33 No. 2372
>>2371 which namefags. extremely vague accusation.
we have like 1 namefag, sage, who's functionally retarded. rampant anorectal violence guy sticks to his topic, so their youtube would be about that.
shay is deleuzean schizo analysis with /x/ characteristics. these guys are not that.
which namefag were you thinking about? or where you being a massive cunt?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 07:18:03 No. 2373
>>2370 >Whip your genitals out and tell me what exactly you disagree with them. I would if they actually fucking said anything. What have these people actually fucking said or done that isn't just contrarian philosophical word salad?
>anglo bad >westerner bad >uhhh ackshually we already live in socialism what the
FUCK have they actually said of value
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 07:20:12 No. 2374
>>2368 >What the fuck has this guy even done besides be a really obnoxious contrarian? You are describing yourself.
Liking someone =/= worshipping someone.
The ones obsessed with him are the trolls.
>>2373 Maybe watch a few of their videos to find out?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 07:23:48 No. 2376
>>2374 >Maybe watch a few of their videos to find out? NO. Fucking tell me. If you actually think they're saying something of value, then clearly you should be able to tell me what it is.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 07:25:51 No. 2377
>>2368 Eh, for me, boredom. What else do I have going on?
>>2367 Actually, I'd be curious to see his reaction to this video series from the CPC for party members called "Don't Forget Your Original Heart, Keep Your Mission in Mind" (meaning communism ofc) and I find it fascinating because they'll show rescue workers and firefighters pulling people out of wreckage. Like, what is going to inspire a person to go beyond their limitations and save someone's life by pulling them from a burning building? It's a very different message from what I see from western socialists.
http://chuxin.people.cn/GB/428819/index.html Also, about the CPUSA being the "good ol' communist party," I think there's something to be said for longevity too, the fact that the old folks in the party are still doing it after all these years. Machiavelli thought legitimacy comes in part from existence and longevity, and if that has any relevance for communists, it's that one of the political projects we clearly need is to just exist in the first place… as in have a socialist state which has gained traditions and past glories. Just the existence of the USSR in the 50s and 60s, whatever anyone thinks about it, created a space for revolution in the third world. Does this make "the party" the modern "Prince?" Or maybe another lesson we should learn from this is the success of the Catholic Church as an institution which has survived for millennia.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 08:12:16 No. 2379
>>2372 I was thinking more like an amalgamation, a Frankenstein's monster of bits and pieces of all of them, but Sage, Eugene, King Lear, and Shay were what initially came to mind. You have Eugene and Lear's chaotic racing thoughts (schizo shit), Shay's interest in Deleuze, and Sage's dumb aggressive reply style that he does time to time.
sendero_luminoso Sendero Luminoso Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 08:20:20 No. 2380
>>2378 It wasn't enough to feel smug. The other anon needed to first promote infrared to "world star e-celebs that bump shoulders with Rihana", to then look down upon them.
>>2379 Sage is retarded and can only think in terms of tenant unions. Eugene is retarded and can only think in terms of eugenics, plus make 90 page rants about things that should only take 1 or 2 sentences to say. King Lear has a boner for gays and China and is frankly retarded. Shay is based but has no interest in Deleuze, I was describing them, not their theoretical interests.
Basically every single namefag you mention except Shay is single minded and 100% retarded. I'll take this opportunity to mention that I never read their retarded posts. These guys are much more based just on principle of not being 100% retarded.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 12:09:42 No. 2382
>>2380 Both Eugene and Lear are both terminal pseuds who will claim they have read what you're discussing, but will quickly reveal they've read none of it when grilled about it. At least Howard Scott made an actual effort to read Marx.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 12:34:56 No. 2383
>>2360 Let me guess, you posted that smug tea drinking react pic. I felt a little confused about him being angry at that post, he picked it apart piece by piece, but he should've read the whole post in its entirety.
>>2376 They are actually pretty wel read on theory, they have like 12 members in their collective from different backgrounds. Haz has BDE. I haven't really found a criticism that stuck, they're chill and I can appreciate the angle they're coming from.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 12:48:05 No. 2384
>>2368 nothing, he is just fun to trigger. man is a retarded new-left type.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 12:50:27 No. 2385
>>2383 >I can appreciate the angle they're coming from. lel Lacan had a theory of human psychological development which was so evidently wrong his own students btfo'd him on it, the new left is largely nothing but a complete failure, and this is the tradition they hail from.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 12:52:21 No. 2386
>>2385 >Lacan had a theory of human psychological development which was so evidently wrong his own students btfo'd him on it Big if true.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 12:56:56 No. 2387
>>2386 OK so basically it was a theory of early human development which posited that a certain stage of development was a "mirror" phase where the only way the child comes to learn they exist is to see reflections of themselves (not metaphorically, but literally).
Of course this doesn't work for blind or otherwise visually impaired people so he was basically implying blind people were incapable of undergoing human development, which his students brought up and summarily btfo'd him on.
the only reason charlatans like him have been able to get so far is the cargo cult culture the western left has in regards to its own captured and castrated "leftist" academia. its why haz complaining and talking about academia generally is rich, his ideology is borne completely out of a castrated "left" academia.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 12:59:35 No. 2388
>>2387 >a "mirror" phase where the only way the child comes to learn they exist is to see reflections of themselves (not metaphorically, but literally) I know for a fact that this is a parody of Lacan. But keep debunking strawmen – that will make you look so much smarter.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:02:58 No. 2389
>>2369 this, he's basically the schizo and more far left version of Vaush.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:03:43 No. 2390
>>2388 my man his entire assertion for the mirror stage was based on a psychological study of various animals including humans in regards to self recognition in a very literal mirror, his entire theory was built around actual literal seeing yourself in a mirror.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:05:29 No. 2391
>>2228 too bad shes banned from twitter
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:14:51 No. 2392
>>2390 The case of an infant seeing itself in a mirror is used as an
exemplary case of self-recognition; Lacan posits that all children pass through this stage of
self-recognition, as reflected (primarily) in the mother as primary caregiver. Clearly, for blind infants, this would occur in some other register within what Lacan calls the perception-consciousness system.
Similarly, Freud (to the best of my knowledge) does not explicitly describe the dreams of blind people in The Interpretation of Dreams; this omission does not imply that blind people are lacking the unconscious drive for wish-fulfillment, etc.
Sage because pseud pretending to be an expert.
Picrel is obv. pedagogic demonstration, not "how it literally happens to every kid."
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:25:47 No. 2393
>>2377 >Machiavelli thought legitimacy comes in part from existence and longevity to be real with you I'm pretty sure he just said that to be more acceptable by the monarchy that just overthrew his beloved and relatively short-lived Republic.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:29:58 No. 2394
>>2392 is that the cope he came up with after he got btfo'd by his own students? the entire work was based foremost on Henry Wallon's experiments on self-recognition in mirrors and was by all means initially based in self-recognition of that sort. anything beyond this most literal of interpretation is a post-owning cope, even Dylan Evans, a pretty big proponent of Lacan, admits that the mirror stage was only really abstracted away from literal mirrors over time mostly by later academics.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:43:29 No. 2395
>>2394 So, wait, you
admit that the theory doesn't even originate in Lacan and that he actually reworked it with his Sausserian turn? Your critique is completely displaced. In any case, relying on Dylan, who abandoned Lacanian theory completely, to explain Lacan is like relying on David Horowitz to explain Marx. You can do that, just don't expect people will take it as a good faith argument.
Lacan's mirror stage
is about the symbolic whether you'd like to admit it or not, and as such applies to any infant capable of developing language. (Yes, mute, blind, and deaf language too which all have signifiers.)
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:47:37 No. 2396
Lacan retracted his theory at some point that the mirror stage had anything to do with the psychological development he was describing. I don't think he's wrong about the connection between language and psychology in infancy, which is the real point.acceleration Acceleration
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:48:37 No. 2397
>>2395 His "theory" originates in a scientific study whose own author would disavow Lacan's findings by it, the man was regarded as such a quack that he was kicked out of the fucking
International Psychoanalytic Association , a collection of schitzos themselves.
Lacan may have coped his theory into something else after he got flak for being a retard, but it was still founded on a fundamentally incorrect basis. You never saw Marx. and co. trot out this kind of drivel. Tthis isn't to say that everything lacan worked on was garbage or that everything influenced by him is, but it should be suspect at least, and taking his work uncritically (as Haz does, it seems) is a path to ruination.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:50:08 No. 2398
>>2397 >quack >schitzos >coped >flak >retard >garbage >ruination I see the ThingUnderstander just logged in.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:51:03 No. 2399
Though, I will say, Lacan really does fit as a philosophical basis for Haz. A lot of empty signals and half-codified concepts strung together only really kept as a single peace through the work of others. Impossible to really "understand" as much as extrapolate occasionally useful concepts from, like his other idol in Nick Land. Its all that these new left types amount to: tearing asunder the texts of schizophrenics and ignoring all of the bad and failed parts of it to try and exemplify the few useful parts of them while not realizing that by definition all of those failed and reactionary elements informed the very few useful conclusions, and consequently failing to counter their reactionary manifestations in their own theory. >It's not a city. It’s an endless maze of low barriers and security zones, a place infinitely cordoned off from itself. Every street is lined with low ugly business-park blocks that modestly announce themselves as the headquarters of some kind of terrible global evil: the International Directorate for Diarrhoea and Diarrhoea-Causing Pathogens, the Alliance for Tearing Small Holes In Mosquito Nets, the US State Department, the IMF. Evil without grandeur… Imagine seventy square miles in which the Nazis won the war. old .
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:53:00 No. 2400
>>2399 Haz literally said the CPUSA has bad politics.
acceleration Acceleration Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:53:01 No. 2401
>>2399 He never said we should support the CPUSA.
>things I don't understand are meaningless "okay"
>people I dislike are all schizos "okay"
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 13:55:11 No. 2402
>>2400 Bad politics, bad optics, bad everything, and we're still supposed to support them. Because they have an aesthetic of being an "establishment". You are not contrary to my point, you are making it for me.
>>2401 He quite literally did.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:03:33 No. 2403
>>2402 RE: CPUSA, tfw he never answered my question
>>2135 Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:09:21 No. 2405
>>2403 well for what its worth I'll answer it. all of the various cold war leftover parties are all useless in the same uniform way in that they have not and really have never captured any degree of a popular mass movement within their party. The CPUSA categorically failed to ever incorporate things like the agitation for rights during the civil rights and as a consequence the Black Panthers picked up where they completely failed to, and led their own local success. it doesn't matter if a party is new or old, all are equally useless without a mass-movement behind it. haz is just obsessed with the aesthetics of it all.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:13:26 No. 2406
>>2402 >we're still supposed to support them I don't think it's uncritically support the CPUSA so much as joining, participating and trying to develop their politics. You enjoy the continuity of the party's history, and seek to get it to a place where its politics aren't shit
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:14:14 No. 2407
>>2406 but the history is just fucking aesthetics and the politics are shit
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:19:01 No. 2408
>>2407 all western parties politics are shit
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:21:33 No. 2410
>>2408 yes
so why join any of them? the entire point of a party is organizing a mass movement which doesn't even exist yet? I swear all the fucking western MLs want the aesthetics of the party without putting in the work that a party needs to be effective to begin with. you can't make a party and the people will come to you, the party is the culmination of organizing via other means finally bringing together all manner of different parts of the proletariat under one banner.
>>2409 no they are equally as shit, if not possibly more so. all parties are failures because they have no mass movement to them.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:21:50 No. 2411
>>2409 second file should be named us maoist *groups, sorry
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:22:34 No. 2412
parties are for drinkingdemocratic_socialism Democratic Socialism
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:24:36 No. 2413
>>2410 because it’s better than building one from scratch. if you’re going to represent any party it might as well be the CPUSA.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:25:12 No. 2414
>>2410 CPUSA are actually are trying to organize by other means, though; they reestablished the YCL just last year. There's been renewed interest in tenant unions and unemployed councils since even before the pandemic began as well.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:25:15 No. 2415
>>2413 >because it’s better than building one from scratch in such a scenario both parties would both be equally useless because they both don't have any mass movement to them
try again
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:27:36 No. 2416
>>2414 they can get back to me if and when they actually succeed, but they have still fundamentally gotten it all ass-backwards. that they were virtually a party organized by a bunch of ideologically-involved college students rather than defined by a mass-movement of the proletariat being the basis for their creation likely means their foundational aspects are totally unresponsive to the modern proletariat and will have to be totally reworked to suit their interests - virtually the equivalent of making an entirely new party, but with an obstructionist administration likely blocking their path and every step. and mind, this is only
if they succeed to get a mass movement behind them.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:28:37 No. 2417
>>2416 You sound like an opportunist.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:30:14 No. 2418
>>2417 what fucking opportunity am I even exploiting? the total ineptitude of the left in the US more generally? and towards what end?
just because people say or do things that don't jive with the orthodoxy doesn't make them some kind of saboteur. its not like I'm trying to sell a fucking party-supplement in pill form here.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:32:20 No. 2419
>>2412 Would rather drink with CPUSA boomers than DSA zoomers
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:34:20 No. 2420
>>2419 i want to drink with the "punk" "anarchists" who have no coherent political theory (much like parties, only they're wordier about it and i'm going to be the wordy boring cunt at this party) but can tell me where to get drugs.
democratic_socialism Democratic Socialism Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:37:25 No. 2421
>>2415 that’s a lot of ifs, not facts. try again.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:38:48 No. 2422
>>2418 yeah you’re just concern trolling. none of what your saying is news.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:40:04 No. 2423
>>2418 Opportunism is waiting until the "real" work is done before joining a party, affinity group, whatever you want to call it. Like breadtube "socialists" arguing for entryist attempts at pushing the Democrats left, it's the path of least resistance for these bougie fucks.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:42:06 No. 2424
>>2421 I see no mass movement behind the CPUSA nor do I have the gall to say any party I would make would have either. they are categorically true, as far as I can see.
>>2423 then every opportunist would be the ones in the fucking parties doing literally nothing and waiting for the proles to come to them. I organize and do things independent of parties because all the parties have seemed to breed has been failure. I don't want all my work co-opted into fucking "vote for Hillary" retards whose only work is fucking paperwork. Should that change, maybe I will consider joining and organizing with them.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:52:14 No. 2425
>>2424 >Should that change, maybe I will consider joining and organizing with them. To be clear, I'm with you here; see
>>2120 . but I still agree with Haz that it's a "brand" worth saving. That can't be done without joining and seeing what's up. If not then you could always (loosely) affiliate with Marxist Center at some point.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 14:52:55 No. 2426
>>2420 >I’m going to be the wordy boring cunt at this party Fair enough
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 15:05:26 No. 2427
>>2245 “Either you get killed in the cradle by imageboards or you rise to become a kiwifarms thread.”
–Hegel
>>2397 >the man was regarded as such a quack that he was kicked out of the fucking International Psychoanalytic Association, a collection of schitzos themselves Lacan got into trouble for doing some very short sessions, like two minutes with a patient and then kthnxbye. Even Freudians have standards.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 15:12:19 No. 2428
>>2425 if you really want to save the brand you'd be better off doing a reverse takeover at a future date tbh.
why buy up a heavily indebted company when you can start a new one, make loadsemone, then phoenix company the fuck out of the old one.
democratic_socialism Democratic Socialism Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 16:01:13 No. 2431
>>2370 >Whip your genitals out and tell me what exactly you disagree with them. But we don't disagree with them. They haven't said hardly anything that you could even disagree with. They are mostly making a bunch of disconnected references to various concepts. It's like if you wrote some kind of theoretical work trying together these philosophical ideas with communism, but then you went on youtube and read off just your citations. The problem people are having is that we can barely find any substance to agree or disagree with.
>>2430 The only reason people started "trolling" him is because he specifically came here after someone in his chat told him about us. He'd come up occasionally in the /IG/ thread as a new content creator to discuss, but it was him actually coming here and streaming the website that kicked off this interaction. We're not mid 2000's /b/, searching for somebody to troll epically.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 16:04:07 No. 2432
>>2412 >parties are for drinking Based. If I can't drink, it's not my revolution.
>>2417 Opportunism scores wins and fuck your evangelical religion.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 16:07:01 No. 2433
>>2420 DELIVER
THE
GOOD
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Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 17:05:39 No. 2434
>>2399 The CPUSA indeed does have bad politics but that is a ridiculous strawman. Posting a flowery quote from Sam Kriss and then claim "this is what the CPUSA supports" is a cheap shot. Their "support" for the Democratic Party amounted to no explicit endorsement but rather a "don't vote for Trump" slogan and while I think this is wrong I doubt you can't find many criticisms of the American system and DC within the CPUSA's material.
Haz probably overestimates this but brand, aesthetic and tradition do play a role somewhat. The CPUSA isn't a big machine, it's malleable, and we can make it ours if we help organizing and reconstituting them instead of the constant splitting into sects. At least the CPUSA, from what I've seen, allows for open discussion in a democratic centralist tradition, while the PSL for example seems to stifle it.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 17:13:22 No. 2435
>>2434 that they collaborate at all with the system of DC at a period of time where it is provable that all of the candidates will actively work to fuck over the proles is madness in and of itself. stopping trump would have been the same as stopping obama - they share the same politics and it would delay the radicalization of the right as much either way. the presidential politics is all performative bullshit, the underlying drive for radical action of late are the rapidly decaying conditions of the US empire. declare the presidents cowards and the US a failed state and get towards actually organizing against it, as opposed to a fucking bake sale for hillary or whatever they have been doing.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 17:23:25 No. 2436
>>2356 Nah, he's average. Not bad but nothing extraordinary
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 17:29:53 No. 2437
>>2383 Yes and I thought it was funny when he expanded the image while shouting YOU MOTHERFUCKER, YOU CALL YOURSELF A MARXIST-LENINIST YOU SON OF A BITCH at this horribly smug picture of Jiang Zemin. Good stuff.
>>2434 I voted for Biden. Trying to be the chad low-information voter, and always making it home in time for the big game.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 17:44:17 No. 2438
>>2381 kek, does he not know terry?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 17:57:15 No. 2439
>>2380 This. Haz is everything I don't like about Eugene and Lear. A bunch of retards that vastly overestimate just how big brain they are and how important their input that they treat everyone else like shit.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 18:03:35 No. 2440
Eudamonia has agreed to direct a sort of book club to help us get into this new line of thought.
Come on Matrix if you want to join
https://matrix.to/#/#IBC:matrix.org?via=matrix.org Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 18:18:07 No. 2441
>>2430 who am i trolling? im just reminding /leftypol/ that it is silly to care this much about what some fucking rando youtuber is saying and it is absolutely pathetic to actually put time and thought into considering their politics and propositions
im not saying theres inherently something wrong with someone posting videos about what theyre thinking about or talking about stuff but this Face Center Frame Doing Asinine Diagrams shit is just edgy breadtube. its standard social media narcissism geared towards a different audience. do something else, read a book. at least when youre shitposting on here and getting to invested in it youre not jacking off some glorified tiktokers ego
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 18:46:23 No. 2442
>>2441 Based. What part of "the revolution will not be televised" is /leftypol/ so in denial about?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 18:50:11 No. 2443
Just realized can't say CHAZ without Haz, now what?sandinista Sandinista
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:04:39 No. 2446
>>2445 Nothing in Infrared's post implies what you think it implies. Stay mad Neon.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:07:35 No. 2447
>>2446 What do you mean? You think you know better about marxism, than Merkel and VW CEOs?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:21:33 No. 2450
>>2445 Cope dilate and have sex
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:24:34 No. 2451
>>2447 >You think you know better about marxism, than Merkel and VW CEOs? Again, nothing in Infrared's post implies that Merkel knows anything about Marxism.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:26:53 No. 2452
>>2432 If by "wins" you mean "diminishing returns" then sure.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:29:47 No. 2454
>>2432 >fuck your evangelical religion. What the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:36:36 No. 2456
>>2453 Neon, what made you turn into some sort of left-com (?)? I remember your videos on your old channel being Marxist-Leninist, pro-Caleb Maupin, pro-China.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:37:46 No. 2458
>>2456 I feel he's just shitposting
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:45:14 No. 2459
>>2445 >19th century Germany was non-industrial periphery Nope? Pretty much the opposite, actually?
>Marx was a jew No, Marx was catholic/atheist and both Marx and Engels were upper class bourgeois, far from being "outsiders". Engels owned a factory in England ffs.
That being said, Marxism is neither a "western" nor an "eastern" ideology. It's about getting rid of class society.
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:49:33 No. 2460
>>2459 This is not DDR poster by way, I'm busy this evening, don't be an imposter, sucks …
Pic related for proof, have a nice stream everyone ITT nonetheless :)
ddr DDR Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:51:46 No. 2461
>>2452 >I can only one strategy That's why hybrid warfare has been B-ing you TFO for the past 50 years.
>>2450 >implying xe's not doing all three at once >>2459 >>19th century Germany was non-industrial periphery What did he mean by this?
sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:53:25 No. 2462
>>2181 that doesn't make direct action not effective and the world is bigger than the US and even then, strikes have made wins in the US since then
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:57:24 No. 2464
>>2461 If by "hybrid warfare" you mean "regurgitating century-old reformist arguments" then sure.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 20:59:56 No. 2465
>>2463 Who is Camp and can you recommend one of their books
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:01:11 No. 2466
>/leftypol/ split, and all the libs went to .org
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:01:11 No. 2467
>>2464 If by "reformism" you mean "not losing at revolution" then sure.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:05:39 No. 2468
>>2462 They certainly have, and what unionization attempts exist should be supported. However, in the US at least, that still doesn't distract from the fact that calling for a strike (or any direct action, really) has become the universal cry of impotent people online.
sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:07:32 No. 2470
>>2468 That again, doesn't change the actual effectiveness of a correctly organised strike, or other form of direct action. This is because online people actually just straight up do not understand what a union is, and what organisation actually is. Organising is building structures to execute tasks. NOT getting a bunch of people to go on a march etc, which is mobilisation.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:10:30 No. 2472
>>2467 If settling for a Carnation Revolution-style social democratic coup will shut you up then so be it.
Still a lot Ls to be found there .
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:12:42 No. 2474
>>2472 check'd
>>2473 >check stream <he is seething at one of my posts lmao
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:15:54 No. 2477
>>2476 he also says he isn't new left because his favored new left theorist got attacked by other new leftists lmao
as if Trotsky instantly stopped being a part of the ideological heritage of Lenin when he critiqued and broke away from Stalin
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:18:02 No. 2479
>>2476 Haz claims to hate anglos, yet he speaks anglo language. Curious.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:19:27 No. 2481
>>2478 Why did you post that in this thread?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:20:31 No. 2482
>Communism is political and a tradition >by implication socialism isn't
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:21:07 No. 2483
>>2481 wanted to see haz's reaction desu
anarchism Anarchism Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:22:53 No. 2484
This is based lol
>>2480 Wrong
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:26:45 No. 2487
unironically I was drawn to Marxism as an intellectual thing, not an emotional one. If I was emotional about my politics, I would still be a Napoleon-loving liberal lmao
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:31:37 No. 2489
lmao fiat currency emerged out of the gold standard during very early modernism, literally as early as fucking the American Civil War. How the fuck is fiat currency postmodern?
sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:34:59 No. 2492
Fuck hes going crazy
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:36:50 No. 2493
>>2491 That is still a definition.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:38:06 No. 2494
This guy uses a lot of chan lingo where did he shitpost?
>>2448 >>2486 Ginjeet needs to change his descriptions to link leftypol.org.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:39:28 No. 2495
>>2494 >This guy uses a lot of chan lingo where did he shitpost? I'm pretty sure he is a creature of twitter
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:39:42 No. 2496
>>2489 >LTV is drivel uh oh
anarchism Anarchism Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:40:47 No. 2497
>>2496 lel did he say that?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:41:55 No. 2499
>>2495 based and butthurt are twitter terms now? I hate it.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:43:19 No. 2500
>>2499 it has been a general internet thing for like… probably since 2016 at the very least.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:43:29 No. 2501
>>2499 Based went extremely mainstream. Butthurt is also pretty mainstream now. Internet culture is still downstream from imageboards and other niche communities like SomethingAwful, in spite of Haz's belief that everything is downstream from youtubers and Jordan Peterson.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:46:03 No. 2502
>>2499 >>2500 >>2501 also mind that screencaps have been circulating around social media for a while now, I've seen even /leftypol/ screencaps thrown around other spaces.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:47:18 No. 2503
>>2502 >I've seen even /leftypol/ screencaps thrown around other spaces. Yet Haz believes that our posts are inconsequential lol. The advantage of anonymity is that it's hard to get get deplatformed for saying things that challenge the status quo.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:47:30 No. 2504
>>2497 he said the LTV can't be empirically proven iirc
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:47:59 No. 2505
>>2504 It can be though lol. Every time a strike happens it's an experiment proving LTV.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:48:37 No. 2506
God what a schizophrenic
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:48:54 No. 2507
>>2504 what a fucking retard lmao, materialist theory itself is based off of observable reality of the capitalist system. its fuckin the most basic empirically proven thing.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:50:17 No. 2508
>I don't believe things that are old are inherently good <just as a thought experiment though, don't you think old things are inherently good?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:50:31 No. 2509
Hey Haz just because someone acknowledges empiricism or anglo thinking as useful doesn't make them a slave to those ideas any more than your use of non-anglo ideas make you a slave to those ideas.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:53:54 No. 2510
Has is a balding man, that means he's gonna Arab Lenin
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 21:55:31 No. 2511
We gotta get the CPUSA Anon in here
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:05:06 No. 2515
>>2513 Xi
please fund me with tendies and type 56s
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:12:18 No. 2517
>>2513 Is the CPC is legally incorporated or are you just using the term corporation liberally ?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:17:41 No. 2519
Haz, what are your thoughts on Post Colonial theory?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:23:16 No. 2520
senpie Infrared notice me
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:26:15 No. 2522
Haz doesn't give a shit about the core idea of marxism: The interests of the working class! That's why he is such a shill for neoliberal politicians and institutions. Just because something is friendly towards China, he believes this is in the interest of the working class!
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:27:30 No. 2523
Can Haz explain why China opposes the new peoples army waging literal revolution against there state and have a working class and peasant base?
>>2522 ♡ Shay ♡ 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:28:05 No. 2524
>>2521 Honestly when i started browsing discord, i came into contact with a huge variety of far-right, mentally ill white assholes, and it almost got to the point where i was self-hating because of my skin color, but what saved me from being anti-white was actually just reminding myself that white people don't exist, and even if such a category did exist, it doesn't benefit people like me.
punk Punk sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:28:38 No. 2526
Infrared called me autistic even though strikes are a form of direct action
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:29:00 No. 2527
I want a 2 hour critique of communization by Haz
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:29:20 No. 2528
>>2520 You are my Senpai
My only Senpai
You give me dokis
In shades of grey
You'll never notice me
But I still love you
Please don’t take my Senpai away ♥
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:29:40 No. 2529
>>2527 I think he'd just find a way to argue with himself.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:31:27 No. 2531
Oh i wish i was in the land of kittens,
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:32:02 No. 2532
>>2526 ask him the definition of 'direct action', kek
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:32:14 No. 2533
>>2525 tfw you've never seen such an aesthetic perfection IRL
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:32:19 No. 2534
>>2523 Well, they do not oppose it, in fact, they have been accused to furthering their cause in the past. The reason they're not enthusiastic about a Maoist party is because they consider China a "revisionist state-capitalist regime" and want to overthrow the government as they give interviews in Radio Free Asia. Why would they have friendly relations with them?
The sister party of the CPC is the PKP-1930, not the CPP. So yeah.
ddr DDR sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:32:36 No. 2535
Haz, a strike directly intervenes in the process of capital
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:34:03 No. 2536
>I won't give you a definition because it's anglo and just more words. You need to look at how people use the word and context.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:35:18 No. 2537
my man wants to abandon language altogether
sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:35:59 No. 2538
Haz, a strike is organised direct action in the most important base of people. The workers join to gather and take an action, what is this but direct action?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:37:21 No. 2540
HAHA Haz believes words and definitions have no meaning, yet he is using language. Curious.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:37:23 No. 2541
>>2487 My too, and if I was emotional about my politics, I would be a disciple of Khorne.
tankie Tankie Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:38:24 No. 2542
>>2527 what about infrared makes you retards so obsessed with communization? I literally haven’t seen communization mentioned on this board since like 2018.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:38:28 No. 2543
>>2541 I won't deny that emotion plays a part of political impulse, but I've generally tried to deny it as my main motivator, otherwise I'd just be stuck in retarded southern reactionary ideology
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:39:44 No. 2544
>>2475 just listen to Hubert Drayfus
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:40:46 No. 2545
>>2541 If you don't cry when listening to old communist songs that sing of unity, friendship, and brojobs, you're doing it wrong.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:41:55 No. 2547
>>2546 truly I've been completely destroyed, befuddled, obscured, and made into an MSpaint stickman
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:42:27 No. 2548
>>2546 FUCK how did I miss that they were live.
Positivist marxists are liberal marxists, prove me wrong. Hint:
you can't. Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:44:15 No. 2549
Thoughts on Sorel?
sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:48:52 No. 2551
Haz, china could easily fund maoist groups covertly, like the CIA did but the opposite
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:49:17 No. 2552
>>2550 Criticism isn't outright rejection of its ideas however, it is embracing that it is not the totality of beliefs contained within society. Not even the base necessarily, because it is affected by the processes of the superstructure as well.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:50:06 No. 2553
>Haz hates Trotskyists >Trotskyists are big in the UK
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:53:33 No. 2556
>>2552 the issue is that the descendants of empiricism and rationalism, the positivists, mostly reject dialectics and believe all truth is reducible to formalisms instead. even some aborted Kantians take this angle if they didn’t read Kant critically enough, like Nick Land.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:55:07 No. 2557
>>2528 >>2520 SENPAI INFRARED NOTICE ME
FUCK ANGLOS OWO OWO OWO OWO OWO
>>2530 NO YOU Sue White.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:55:16 No. 2558
Haz, did you guys ever read some Baudrillard? What do you think about him?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:56:09 No. 2559
>>2557 >SENPAI INFRARED NOTICE ME SENPAI INFRARED NOTICED ME
FUCK I GOT THE POST WRONG OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:57:58 No. 2560
>>2556 and? just because some vaguely philosophically related concepts and ideas which are sorta adjacent to Marxism reject ideas like dialectics doesn't mean that marxism must also in turn because of a vague philosophical relation. hell, 99% of marxists don't engage in real philosophy.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 22:59:03 No. 2562
You've seen those Prolekult documentaries? What do you think about them?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:01:17 No. 2563
Why are the haters so vocal here but too shy to come on stream and talk to Haz?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:02:00 No. 2564
>he is going on other threads now
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:02:55 No. 2565
Now that Haz is done replying to you attention whores, come watch a movie with us
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/MovieNight We have been watching some Chinese movies the past week, and we have a lot more lined up.
Tonight at 6pm EST / 11pm UTC
Red Sorghum (1988) - Zhang Yimou
>Young Jiu'er (Gong Li) is sent by her parents to marry an old leper who owns a distillery. As she is being carried over the sorghum fields, bandits attack and she is rescued by a laborer (Wen Jiang), with whom she has a son – the narrator. After the old leper dies, Jiu'er takes control of the distillery and invites the workers into a collective arrangement. But as the Sino-Japanese War peaks, barbarous Japanese troops storm onto the property determined to destroy the sorghum fields. Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:02:59 No. 2566
Language is contextual. Words and their meanings change as time goes on, alot of people here expect that language remains the same at all points in time forever.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:04:00 No. 2567
>>2566 thanks for saying things we've already known since we were like 8
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:05:10 No. 2568
Who was the autist who kept pushing him to read your insane wall of text in a thread all the way down the catalog?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:05:33 No. 2569
haz the gulags weren't built from scratch they were appropriated from Tsarist Russia
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:07:14 No. 2571
>>2565 >Now that Haz is done replying to you attention whores, come watch a movie with us STOP BEING MEAN TO MY SENPIE
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:09:26 No. 2572
>>2560 yeah that’s another problem. many western marxists still take empiricist positive angles in their arguments showing they don’t know what dialectical materialism even is.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:09:53 No. 2573
>>2565 Find a night to stream Pulgasari (1985); then I'll join
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:10:03 No. 2574
>>2570 Of fucking course. There are actual effort post on this website instead you link him this retarded rant saying mentally insane shit like "communism is the society of the gulag". Fuck you for your autism
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:12:00 No. 2576
>>2571 I'm not talking about Haz. I'm talking about you people saying NOTICE ME SENPAI. Haz is cool. I was lukewarm on him but he got a lot better especially after eudaimania talked to him.
>>2573 Come post a link and I'll add it.
>>2575 problem?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:12:26 No. 2577
>>2573 Or do a Pasolini night; Trilogy of Life
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:13:49 No. 2578
>>2572 many "Western" marxists generally don't know shit because the left in a lot of these countries are only emerging out of a longtime destruction of the left in their countries and are like, under a decade old. people never get their shit right on the first attempt, nor will your prattling really help. they can only learn by trying and failing themselves, and itterating with our guidance.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:17:23 No. 2580
>>2579 Movie nights don't have to be about any specific topic. It's for entertainment and culture. We have /r/lectures for informative shit (although we've only used it like once). It would be cool in Infrared would allow embedding and we could have people restream their livestreams there.
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:21:34 No. 2581
>>2576 >Haz is done replying to you attention whores AH SHIT MY NIGGA I'M SORRY I THOUGHT YOU SHIT ON MY SENPAI
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:35:39 No. 2583
>>2574 Cannot handle the truth
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:42:18 No. 2584
So can anyone explain to me why there is a thread dedicated to this instead of this being art of /IG/?
Anonymous 2021-02-05 (Fri) 23:43:38 No. 2585
>>2584 Jannies are trying to spur a beef between us and infrared to mutually boost us.
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 00:29:50 No. 2586
>>2463 (I’m replying to you directly on here since youtube decided to automatically remove my comments)
As a German, why are you opposed to eurasianism? Creating links with Russia and China is in Germany’s interest, plus this is objectively contributing to the weakening of US global hegemony by creating a new multipolar imperialist world-order.
It’s important to remember that the more the imperialists are divided between themselves, the more likely is the chance of socialism arising. Each world war led to the expansion of socialism. Moreover, an imperialist can and will support a socialist country if it means weakening their rival’s interest, we shouldn’t have any remorse about asking for the support of an imperialist world power to gives us support, as long as it empowers socialism in the long term.
This happened in Ukraine for instance, where Russia supported the Donetsk People's Republic as well as the Luhansk People's Republic against the fascists in Ukraine, despite Russia being led by an oligarch's cock-sleeve.
Another more controversial case among Marxist-Leninist is when the US supported the quasi-socialist state of Rojava in Syria to maintain its imperialist presence in the region, showing that even the US, the most ruthless imperialist warmonger, is capable of supporting a socialist state just to further its strategic interests.
Today the People's Republic of China (which I consider to be state-capitalist) supports the DPRK and Cuba against the US, their role as defender of socialist countries cannot be understated, even if you disagree with their bizarre "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" policy.
It's not about "campism" or whatever buzzword you prefer, it's about creating fractures inside the current global capitalist world order to weaken its power over the extra long-term. Global liberalism depends on political stability, capitalist property rights and social-relations, human capital supremacy, free movement of capital and people, international cooperation as well as the flow of information. To destroy capitalism, you must first weaken the foundations of liberalism to ensure that the capitalists can't form a united front against socialism, and believe me, they will do when a socialist country will actually start to threaten their power.
For the moment, the capitalist countries are too much integrated with each other for revolution to be possible, as like I mentioned before they would not only form a united front to crush socialism, the working class in a revolutionary country would have to fight its entire army apparatus to establish socialism. This task is made significantly easier when the army is disorganized and weakened by a rival imperialist power during a war.
Unfortunately, socialism is not around the corner, the world is just way to inter-connected for a single isolated socialist country to survive (unless you want to become like the DPRK or Cuba). Sad but this is the truth.
Eurasianism in the Russian and post-soviet context represents a way to fight Western imperialist hegemony while furthering the people's need for social reforms. Putin is not really an Eurasianist, he is a Russian nationalist, he supports private monopolies and reactionary Russian imperial myths. Eurasianism is not only the fruit of Dugin's idea, but the manifestation of multiple movements across the post-soviet zone to counter the influence of global capitalist hegemony.
Then there is this new implicit “greater-eurasianism” which is still in an embryonic stage and represent the economic and political convergence of Europe, Russia and China toward a form of proto-socialist state-capitalist model. In order to maintain its supremacy, it’s absolutely essential for the US to stop this convergence by fomenting fractures between these countries so they can’t unite.
This is explicitly said by American geopolitical analysts and it’s also the guiding US foreign policy since WW2. I still don’t understand why brainlets deny it or continue to think America’s actions are guided by neoconservatives’ ideas while these are merely the justifications of the superstructure to meet the needs of the base’s imperialistic interests.
Geopolitics is harsh, it's sterile, sociopathic and devoid of humanity. But they are essential if you want to keep up in this world. You can't think in an ideological manner anymore, idealism in international relation is over, embrace realism. No revolution will survive without having an understanding of modern international relations theory.
Now to reply directly to your accusations:
I wouldn't even care if this was true, their work (especially the Grayzone) has been essential in fighting the current zeitgeist regarding China and other non-liberal nations.
Sounds like you're just a triggered West-Germanoid.
No and I don't care about having this debate.
And no, I’m not Red Dundonian, I’m another guy.
tankie Tankie Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 00:44:23 No. 2587
>>2586 The levels of based are off the chart
sandinista Sandinista Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 01:18:38 No. 2588
Is there nobody from /leftypol/ who wants to call in and talk to these guys?
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 01:25:45 No. 2589
>>2588 They are going to stream like every day. There will be time for that. Also we're trying to organize a reading group to actually get people educated on the shit they're talking about.
>>2440 Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 01:39:16 No. 2590
>>2586 I will not reply to everything, but this is my main point:
I'm not per se opposed to eurasianism, but I'm not convinced that it is inherently better than atlanticism.
>Creating links with Russia and China is in Germany’s interest Is it? Before Merkel, we had a staunch eurasianist chancellor - Gerhard Schröder - and he did a great job at destroying the welfare state and creating "the best low-income sector in Europe". Now he lives in Russia and is Putin's BFF.
>this is objectively contributing to the weakening of US global hegemony by creating a new multipolar imperialist world-order. Wow, and how will this bring me a decent wage and affordable housing?
I don't give a shit, if this world is becoming multipolar. At this point just want to survive. I distrust China the same way I distrust Russia and the US. All this theorizing about "breaking the imperialist order" is fun and games, but in the end I have to pay my bills. Would it objectively help the global anti-imperialist movement, if my country would be suddenly nuked? Maybe. But I personally wouldn't benefit from it. This is certain.
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 01:41:19 No. 2591
This thread is full, make a new one.
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 01:46:29 No. 2592
>>2591 Nah, I don't think we should clutter the catalog with Infrared threads. They left their mark, we can discuss them in /IG/. They said they're gonna make a discord at 500 subs, and are active on twitter. I think it's better to discuss the theory and the thinkers they are influenced by.
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 02:12:24 No. 2594
>>2592 IG will be flooded every stream. Just make a thread.
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 02:29:52 No. 2595
>>2594 Only if he opens this site on stream again
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 02:32:16 No. 2596
Why is this board being over-run by an army of parasocial streamer simps?
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 02:41:41 No. 2597
>>2596 cause of covid lockdowns
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 02:57:04 No. 2598
>>2595 Plenty of people here will watch their stream regardless.
>>2596 Could it be that Infrared have something interesting to say?
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 03:45:45 No. 2601
>>2595 >>2594 Make
him make a fucking AMA thread or whatever faggoty ass bullshit if he wants to browse the website.
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 08:01:51 No. 2603
>>2490 based and anti-anglo pilled
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 08:48:16 No. 2605
NEW THREAD >>70323 >>70323 >>70323 >>70323 NEW THREAD
Anonymous 2021-02-06 (Sat) 23:58:17 No. 2606
Haz, what is the material reason the Anglos are so cancer
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