Thread dedicated to the discussion of Australian politics and events.
I get that since the split the number of Australians here probably went from being counted on two hands to just one, but I figured that there should be at least a thread here that we can keep bumping.
>>19695>"Australia puts a considerable amount of effort into its relationship with the United States. It maintains a well-staffed, high-powered embassy in Washington. The embassy includes a Congressional Liaison Branch that arranges meetings between infuential American politicians and visiting Australian Federal and State Cabinet Ministers, Members of Parliament, and senior officals. The objective is to enable Australian leaders to meet the US President, to get the President to take the Prime Minister’s calls, to get the Foreign Minister to meet the US Secretary of State, and to get the Australian Ambassador in Washington to interact with important people in Congress, the State Department, the Defense Department and the Treasury. Australia wants a “seat at the table”— some level of participation in the Great Power’s decision-making process. It has had very little success here. Australia remains relatively unimportant in US thinking. Only 1% of the US diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks related to Australia. Australia’s share of the world economy is not much larger. Its population is about 0.33% of the world’s total. From March 2009 to March 2019, US President Donald Trump tweeted 37,131 times, but mentioned Australia only 31 times (and only ten times after winning the Presidential election).50 For all Australia’s efforts, he pays even less attention to Australia than the U.S. State Department does."TLDR; no matter how hard Australia simps, it will NEVER EVER be Israel
>>19712If Australia was invaded, then it was conquered. Therefore sovereignty was extinguished by the act of conquest.
>>19712Abolish your country/culture first. Then I'll consider Australia's options.
Australia must be ready to fight its corner as Taiwan tensions rise
>In a conflict, missile stocks will rapidly deplete. If Covid-19 taught us anything, it’s that we must boost domestic production in many areas, but especially the war stocks used by the Australian Defence Force.
>Just as was the case with the F-35 joint strike fighter, a joint production effort on a range of missiles gives us access to a wide range of US (and possibly European) science and technology, cements closer alliance cooperation and makes practical military sense for our forces.
>Initial investments will focus on upgrades to the next generation of weapons already in service. The thinking is also to identify options for jointly developing new weapons including a sea-launched weapon able to hit land targets at ranges of up to 1,500 kilometres, perhaps a cruise missile.
>Rather than go to government with individual missile proposals, Defence is bundling a series of weapons into the one program. Again, this makes sense. We should look to develop the ability to fire weapons from many different types of platforms, drawing on shared technology and support systems. Could this even extend to the navy thinking about using the new long-range anti-ship missile just bought for the air force? Absolutely it should.https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australia-must-be-ready-to-fight-its-corner-as-taiwan-tensions-rise/https://web.archive.org/web/20210129011006/https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australia-must-be-ready-to-fight-its-corner-as-taiwan-tensions-rise/porkyPorky >>19727/Aus/ pol's take on Dan?
To me he comes off as a boring Neolib typical of most of the Labor Party.
Not sure how much at fault he is for thos current situation because it seems like every state is doing this rarted hotel quarantine shit and the opposition can't seem to articulate an alternative beyond Dan bad.
Also who should I, as a Victorian vote for in the next elections? I really don't wanna vote Labor but the furthest left party on ballot seems to be Greens and they're pretty shit too. Any good left organisations here or are we doomed to Labor?
>>19734Dan is pretty much a pro-China Blairite who has afforded some mild benefits to the Victorian working class, but obviously he is pro-business and pro-neoliberalism just as much as any Labor minister is. Also bad on ecology.
>Also who should I, as a Victorian vote for in the next elections? I really don't wanna vote Labor but the furthest left party on ballot seems to be Greens and they're pretty shit too. Any good left organisations here or are we doomed to Labor?I don't know the answer to this question. Voting for the Greens is the closest thing you can do to a protest vote, but would you really just want anti-corruption, pro-green neoliberals? At the very least, a large portion of the union movement is connected to the Labor Party (for better or for worse). I think that one of the biggest problems for the left today is creating a genuine alternative to the Labor Party. An alternative that isn't reformist, compromising nor electoralist. But until the momentum is there idk what we can do. Go to protests, join a union, spit on an SDA representative, read Australian leftist theory, all good things to pass the time.
>>19734Think
>>19736 has the most agreeable take on Andrews.
VicSocs seem like the most left-wing party participating, but really Labor and Greens are the only options.
>>19739Seems kinda retarded >>
https://youtu.be/xxtt3D1eiso but also don't see why you shouldn't go, so go.
>>19691>Even if Australians could properly organise would revolution even be possible? Ignoring the fact that both Labor and Liberals are pushing further right, the US has multiple military bases within the country and Australia itself is important geopolitically for the US.This makes me think that Australia may genuinely need like an actual Hugo Chavez to arise and to basically cloak socialism in nationalist rheteoric while also being a tough stronk military man that you cant just shoot in the head and throw out a helicopter. Who could then basically just then rain down incremental social change at gunpoint basically.
So basically some Marxist-Blanquism secret society that manages to perform like some brilliant coup that gives them control of every lever of power all at once without giving the US a Casus Beli to just invade.
zapatistaZapatista Good morning everyone
Bushfire money mystery: recovery funds withheld to fight the Election?https://www.michaelwest.com.au/bushfire-money-mystery-recovery-funds-withheld-to-fight-the-election/>No figures are publicly available for the three largest bushfire recovery funds, which account for more than 55% of the $2.73 billion the federal Coalition has promised to devastated communities. Furthermore, by the end of last year, less than half of that $2.73 billion had been spent, some $500 million less than claimed by David Littleproud, the minister in charge of the recovery effort. Is the Coalition keeping a few hundred million in its back pocket for a federal election mooted for later this year? Matt Lloyd-Cape investigates.I'm no electoralist, but if the Labor party somehow stuff up the next election then idk where the hell Australia is heading. In between this and the Murray darling river stuff there is a troubling precedent being set - with little pushback, and soc-dems will whine and blame Murdoch and grant no responsibility to the Labor party. I bet B.A Santamaria would be proud.
Good post from the Communist Party of Australia of fb:
Shifting the blame: how a condemnation of the far right became an open attack on the left
The Australian Labor Party (ALP) put forward a Senate motion on 4th February to condemn and recognise a rising far-right in Australia. The motion made specific reference to the National Socialist Network, a far-right neo-Nazi group, as well as calling out Coalition members Craig Kelly and George Christensen for promoting several conspiracy theories related to COVID-19, vaccines and the US Capitol “coup” earlier in January.
The move would represent an important step in dealing with a growing problem that plagues Australia and countries around the world, costing many lives in the process. Of course, those of us with any insight into Australian politics will know this motion was far too good to be true. The Coalition, along with One Nation, the Centre Alliance, and independents Jacqui Lambie and Rex Patrick, had it significantly stripped and repurposed. The motion now makes no reference to the rise of the far-right, instead calling Australia “one of the most successful multicultural countries in the world” in a chauvinistic attempt to hide our severe issues with racism. All mention of Coalition members of parliament was removed, and specific reference to the contents of the dangerous far-right conspiracy theories was scrapped. Essentially all acknowledgement of the problem was taken out of the motion as a whole.
What was added is even more concerning. The motion now makes a distinct “both sides” style condemnation of extremism, arguing that the issue comes from both the far-right and the far-left. It lists anarchism and communism in the same breath as fascism, as if they have anything in common. If this is the case, where then, are these “far-left” mass shootings? Where are the “far-left” attacks on minority groups? It is easy to see that such “centrist” positions are merely used to target communists and not take responsibility for the disgusting actions they encourage. While we stand out there fighting for the rights of the downtrodden and exploited, the right commits another heinous act and calls it an issue of both sides.
During the vote for the LNP’s changes to the motion, the ALP opposed the amendments. However, when it came time to pass the amended motion, the ALP supported it, allowing it to pass without a vote. The Greens stated that, had a vote been taken, they would have voted against it.
Given the language of the initial motion, it is difficult to see how the ALP did not predict such a result in an LNP-dominated Senate. The original motion outright named Liberal politicians for their actions. For the ALP to expect any other result could only be sheer incompetence; the only alternative is that this was the intended outcome. Either way, this once again shows the ALP acting akin to a moderate wing of the LNP.
This shows an Australian right wing becoming more and more unified in their attacks on the left and the working class as a whole. It is now all the more important a task to build unity among left, working class, and progressive people, working in unity on issues held in common, and respecting differences. A divided left is not going to effectively oppose anyone but ourselves.
We must ask ourselves what it is they truly condemn when they speak of far-left extremism. Workers’ rights; anti-imperialism; climate change action? What they condemn is opposition to their capitalist lobbyists and the abusive system they uphold. It is with such actions that activities of activists become increasingly more dangerous and critical at the same time. A target is being fastened to our backs, one which justifies increasing hostilities. One which will make it easier for those with power to silence those without. One which is likely to be followed by a push for full legislation against we who fight against the capitalist system. It is in these times that we must remain firm in our opposition. The only way to overturn such repressive measures, is to ensure they do not succeed. Though they will try time and time again, our struggle will not be dulled.
>>19745>>19745> if the Labor party somehow stuff up the next election then idk where the hell Australia is heading.Same.
imo if the next Federal and State elections go to the LNP, it'll help me inasmuch as I'll have clear direction my efforts and preparation should go towards.
I'll also potentially look at moving away from Australia for a few years OR basically "playing by their rules" (i.e. Rorting) to fund local efforts.
If enough Australians accept things as they're going, then fuck it I'll use those same rules to fight back. lmao can't wait to set up a NFP and a few offshore shell companies.
>>19743this is litteraly why ive become a left nationalist because its the only way i think we are going to be able to sway people towards further left postions.
we do however need to look at the way people like chaves fucked up in order to not have the same mistakes.
>>19751>left nationalist yikes I'm not so sure that is the best action to take, it'd be easily co-opted which is what seems to happen often enough.
>>19748>Can’t wait till like some strain of GMO corn that grows to maturity in like a week or some shit breaches containment and becomes an invasive species!Imagine not wanting to literally protect the environment by making crops more effective for the inevitable climate ballsup smh
>>19753;
i say this mostly to signal towards patriotic sentiments that i think can be really good ways to get into touch with some working people who have supplanted class consciousness with some version of national identity.
i see your concern but i dont base my nationalism around an ethnic or imperialist sentiment more so trying to create a more positive patriotism.
ak-47AK-47 >>19755Hmmm. Well perhaps test it locally, like just drop hints in conversations and see what the reactions are.
>>19754wtf, how? Did they come in or some shit?
>>19757>>19756so ill tell you the story. not going to dox myself here but ill give you the general gist.
>be me>working at the gallery checking peoples covid sign in shit so that they are doing it correctly and helping boomers who barely even know what a QR code is. >start work hearing about this controversy boss tells us that there is a bunch of people posting online about it and several hundred people who have signed it.>i go outside we haven't opened yet we still have half an hour till we do but im just out there to help people do their QR codes before hand>first people i see are two uniformed QPS officers who come up to the doors demanding to come in and see the helmet>no you have to sign in first and we dont open till 10>after they sign in they proceeded to just head straight in despite me explicitly saying we arent open >i tell them again that we arent open and they cant come in they have to wait. >they give me some weird looks and move on they dont end up coming in. >rest of the day tho we have the Police union representative channel 7 and a bunch of cops who park their bikes right where our entry and exit is blocking access in and out of the gallery so our boss has to come out and tell them to move.
>the rest of he day im on the phones getting calls from retired police officers and other sky news watching retards telling me we are a bunch of BLM commies who deserve to be thrown in jail and we even get a threat that someone is going to walk in and smash the glass its held behind to go and take it. so tldr a buch of uniformed cops rock up to harass an art gallery over a dumb fucking helment thats been there already for like 4 fucking months lol
>>19750>Thinking of moving.This is mainly a LARP i roll around in my head occasionally but iv'e always imagined the idea of taking some french classes and finding a job as like a bartender in like New Caledonia or some shit since i have my RSA/RG if the libs fuck things up to much.
From there i would go HARD for the Caledonian section of the French communist party / SP / Independence party . and try to help independence efforts / based shit etc. and then I'd just keep shitposting online like "Lol so PM-Cormann just legalised 24 hour back to back shifts and banned unions? Sounds pretty shit bet you guys wish you were here in paradise with me!"
zapatistaZapatista >>19779How the
fuck does the SDA still manage to trick people into thinking they give a fuck?
>>19784But other Anon is right that there does seem to be a genuine cultural Hauntology of some sort where every show is either some 90's esque game show, A 4 da kidz like Neighbourhoods or 90210 ripoff with like extra level actors playing the main roles. etc.
I think you could honestly chalk it up to the fact that pretty much no-one but boomers and actual under-10 year old children actually bother to watch TV anymore so they've basically stopped trying and are just making it a mix of colour and noise and nostalgia.
Plus all Aus TV channels are owned by like 3 companies so theres no cultural innovation since 30% of the audience is constantly split between the three networks channels.
eurekaEureka >>19789I can't tell how much of Shanks's shtick is genuine ignorance and how much is intentionally dishonest.
TBH I think he's just a genuine dumbass.
>>19790Its hard to tell really, I'd like to think that he's smart enough to know what he's talking about (and he does have a team backing him) but he says stupid shit like how Australian communists back in the day are equivalent to the Greens today
Speaking of Australian communists, Jack Mundey's funeral happened a couple days ago so here's the livestream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaJSyAbU8lc >>19789Not to be a conspiracytard but is this like the same as the "Breadtube is a CIA operation"
Like why the fuck is this guy suddenly like the ALP's main spokesman?
But he's still honestly better then "Breadtube" since he's just honest that he's a Fabian and believes in just social-democratic pragmatism and not marxism.
eurekaEureka >>19792>>19793Its natural that anyone in his position would gradually drift toward being co-opted, and becoming friends with the politicians and go soft on them
breadtube - breadtube is suspicious and pretends to be radical left while slyly promoting views which help the CIA
>>19782If there was no local content quota you would only be watching Amerilard trash.
IMO Aus TV is trash because the TV bosses only buy shows written by their friends. Almost every Austard TV show on commercial channels is about a wealthy white man living near the beach
Amerilard TV is also declined in quality so its not like removing the local quota would improve your TV experience
Scomo on the womens marches today:
>"This is a vibrant liberal democracy, Mr Speaker, not far from here, even now, are being met with bullets, but not here in this country, Mr. Speaker." really out here making implied threats to marches against rape
https://twitter.com/naveenjrazik/status/1371304257039691780Decided to cut a few clips from this lecture by Clinton Fernandes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fek56p46A8Let me know if these are helpful
>>19822Not quite sure but the deposition of PM Manasseh Sogavare does smell a bit fishy
>"On 7 November 2017, seventeen members of his Democratic Coalition for Change voted against him in another motion of no-confidence. The lawmaker who submitted the motion of no confidence, Derek Sikua, claimed that Sogavere had lost touch with reality and become fixated on conspiracy theories, while Sogavere attributed the defections to a proposed anti-graft bill, saying that some MPs were afraid it would lead to them being imprisoned. Sogavere remained as Acting Prime Minister until Rick Houenipwela was elected on 15 November 2017."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_Sogavare#Prime_Minister_(2014%E2%80%932017)And then he was re-elected in 2019
I would probably need more info but it make sense. pro-china pm deposed in 2017 because he was indulging in "conspiracy theories" -> Huawei deal scrapped 2018
>>19827Not the same anon.
Female Lib's staffer is saying the guy in the photo on the left (whoever he may be) Jerked off then wiped his cum all over the top of her desk then sent her vids and a photo of him doing it after she had worked at it for the day and eaten lunch.
Second photo is from another story where some other Lib staffers apparently hired barely legal rent boys and would get pissed / high while fucking them in the parliament house chapel.
Actual monkey's, reatrds and schizo's dont do this kind of shit what the actual fuck.
eurekaEureka >>19847The Base is an FBI operation, They encouraged a bunch of their retarded members to show up to a rally in like virginia or whatever with pipe-bombs and guns and arrested all of them.
If they have the organisation + resources to operate in aus as well that just means its probably literally a FIVE EYES / ASIO-FBI coordinated entrapment basically
eurekaEureka https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/following-orders-111/“I Was Just Following Orders,” Says Daytime Sky News Employee At The 2056 Bundaberg TrialsKino Betoota post
>At the conclusion of the Australian Civil War in 2055, the Bundaberg Trials were conducted in part with the cooperation between the Free Australian State, their allies and the UN International Court of Justice.>The conflict, which began in 2049 when the 89-year-old West Australian President Troy Buswell ordered the extra-judicial killing of Eastern loyalists in a camp close to the Northern Territory border, triggered a domino of separatist movements that saw Australia fracture into dozens of semi-autonomous regions and states.>Hundreds of thousands of Australians died in the war and with the invention of time travel in 2053, reporting on the conflict in contemporary journalism has been made possible.>It lasted until the surrender of the last Commonwealth separatists in the Snowy Mountains, led by Sydney warlord Jack Vidgen who himself was convicted and sentenced to death for the brutal extra-judicial killing of Lime Cordiale during the 2054 Battle of Careel Bay.>Prosecutors have argued, however, that the roots of conflict can be traced back to the campaign of disinformation led by Sky News during the housing bubble bursting in 2023.>In response to that, all living employees of Sky News were arrested in 2055 and placed under a house arrest until trial.>One of them being Hunter Coulder, who worked as a Sky News business presenter in 2030.>“I was only following my orders,” he told the court.>“We had a job to do and if I didn’t do it. I’d be fired. I had a mortgage to pay, the employment rate was nearly 25%,”>“I was only doing what I was told to do.”>Hunter was found guilty of high treason and ordered to spend 30 years in the Norfolk Island Re-Education Zone.>More to come. >>19858>West Australian president.What is /aus/pol's opinion on regionalistfags btw?
If WA sperged out enough and actually went full australian divorce mode what would you guy's stance on it be?
eurekaEureka >>19865Ripe for syndicalism
based
>>19876At best Drew is borderline retarded useful idiot who enjoys sucking septo’s cock for free.
More likely he’s a narcissist careerist/opportunist and cynic who doesn’t actually believe in anything & motivates by careerism/drive for narcissistic supply but is too dumb to understand that he’s sabotaging his future career prospects in the long term.
Later is almost certainly correct. Guy gives off textbook narcissist/grifter vibes - wouldn’t be surprised if he’s an outright state intelligence asset.
>>19881Some branches are good.
Other implode on the regular.
It's not part of the ACTU.
But does seem to be getting support from some other unions and even, amazingly, Labor Left.
It's literally free to join, so what do you expect really?
>>19887I hate that so much when he says that. The entire reason why "Murdoch sided with Hawke and keating" and "He may side with Albo! Poggers! epic!" is not because fucking "Oh the Libs are just so fucking bad even Murdoch wants to save himself from being associated with them"
Its because Hawke, Keating and fucking Albo are like the most Blairoid people in the entire fucking ALP. Hawke literally went out his way to fuck member owned and cooperative business's while pretending to be this union-heavy far leftist.
There was literally a segment at the ALP conference a week back where it was like "WOW KEIR STARMER AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU SENDING REGARDS TO THE ALP??? POGGERS!!!"
Like i side the only reason the media ever turns against the Lib-Nats is when one of their leaders is literally just not viable to run government anymore and they need an excuse to get rid of him (Like they cant just spill motion him for literally NO reason and they CANT have the embarrassment of him trying to get like the yearly spending bill passed it failing and him getting no confidence motioned and like Sky News having to announce to rural/queensland retard australia "The Lib-Nats have collapsed and the nation is now doomed to be run by the Labor-Greenie communist chinese. Australia is lost. we have failed…")
eurekaEureka >>19888He really is just a propogandist, that's it. But people treat him as the sole political theorist in Australia.
Also something that really gets me is when people blame murdoch for everything, he is the almighty scapegoat in this country for the left. Not even Fox news cops the amount of political blame that Newscorp does in this country.
eurekaEureka >>19889>Also something that really gets me is when people blame murdoch for everything, he is the almighty scapegoat in this country for the left. Not even Fox news cops the amount of political blame that Newscorp does in this country.This is hitting the nail on the head.
Like if your dealing with someone's who's like actually fucked up enough they voluntarily spend their spare time watching Sky News and reading "the Australian" articles or something then guess what! They weren't gonna voot labor anyway! Even if Rupert Murdoch was never born and Newscorp never existed they would just be reading the "Rural-Queensland-Shithole Post" published by some other porkie which would say basically the exact same things as murdoch did anyway.
I cant help thinking that Labor stans / loyalists have a genuine persecution complex where they think the only reason they dont total majority's every election is because of this gigantic deep-state'esque conspiracy against them involving everyone from Rupert Murdoch to the Lib-Nats to the fucking Greens etc
eurekaEureka >>19910/leftypol/ is all we got.
I don't see another way to organize, not in this surveillance environment.
tankieTankie Anyone here in WA / Perth? I'll add ya on insta if ya want.
>>19910Well you got:
Socialist Alternative - effectively a cult that cannot seem to understand why everyone hates them. Most are nice people, but often have a toxic group culture.
Socialist Alliance - are quite chill and have their heads screwed on but (at least where I am) don't do much besides do poorly in local elections
Extinction Rebellion* - solid direct action, community / local group focus, poor theory (boomer reformist at worst, accidentally anti-capitalist at best)
CPA / ACP - absolutely dead, I'm confused as to what they think they do and why they don't just join SAlt.
*really depends where you are, here in Perth I think there's a lot of potential for good, especially over other groups.
>>19911Organise by finding popular issues in the community and getting those people together dude. Drop the commie aesthetic and talk solutions in ways that they can relate to (mass democracy, community run energy projects, etc.)
anarcho-primitivismAnarcho-Primitivism>>19913>Organise by finding popular issues in the community and getting those people together dude. Drop the commie aesthetic and talk solutions in ways that they can relate to (mass democracy, community run energy projects, etc.)This is just true and cosy.
I've managed to get some local movement by leveraging Systemic Consensing as a way of decision making.
I can't join the local ER because it's riddled with Greens who have conniptions when any talk of development is had.
Local Labor, despite being majority Left faction, are fucking being teamed by the Fed Labor Right.
We apparently have local Syndies and AnComs but I haven't found them.
And because we're a small state fucking everyone knows everyone so that makes organising tough.
>>19690>>19913>>19910CPA is the dead one, ACP is very active but small. Both are ML orgs, so depends on your ideological leanings if that's for you.
Neither would merge with SAlt at SAlt are Trots and useless.
To be transparent, I'm in the ACP, so biased towards them, but I'd encourage any MLs interested in organising here to join.
It's tough, as Aus is a fucked place for any sort of leftist organising and the ACP is just starting out but I joined as it was better than just sitting around forever and waiting for the left to grow on its own.
>>19920ngl it's pretty cosy
I can unironically use the word 'sheila' and smoke near children.
>>19918>ACP is very active but smallHere in WA they're practically non-existant. There's about a dozen boomers and a handful of younger ones, but they only ever show up to a couple rallys, sell tshirts and their shitty paper.
>Neither would merge with SAlt at SAlt are Trots and useless.We can discuss the problems SAlt have but any problems SAlt have are minor compared to the issues the CPA and ACP have. Even where the ACP is active, SAlt is better by leagues. And even if you hate the specific line trots take, the difference is so minor in terms of what that means for praxis that anyone who is aligned with the ACP should just join SAlt.
>Aus is a fucked place for any sort of leftist organisingThat's because your form of organising is trash. There's plenty of opportunity, the likes of the ACP and SAlt are just too much of a cult to attract normies.
anarcho-primitivismAnarcho-Primitivism >>19923 I had never heard of these peeps until now but it seems based.
My only worry is that stuff like food kitchens often stagnate as there's no inner force making the project grow; people become content running a kitchen once a week.
But if they're focused enough in making this a growing project, and expanding past food aid (like with that free moving van) I could see this being great.
I've been wanting to set up a similar thing here in WA but with more of a focus on prefigurative economics, rather than mutual aid.
Anyone have any experience with this group and want to share how successful they are?
anarcho-primitivismAnarcho-Primitivism >>19918>>19914>>19913Thanks for responding, Im in a similarly small place so I share the feeling about being to hasty with organisations.
>It's tough, as Aus is a fucked place for any sort of leftist organisingWhat makes it that way in your book?
>>19922
>Here in WA they're practically non-existant. There's about a dozen boomers and a handful of younger ones, but they only ever show up to a couple rallys, sell tshirts and their shitty paper.ACP doesn't sell papers, nor T-shirts. Sounds like you've dealt with the CPA.
>We can discuss the problems SAlt have but any problems SAlt have are minor compared to the issues the CPA and ACP have. Even where the ACP is active, SAlt is better by leagues. And even if you hate the specific line trots take, the difference is so minor in terms of what that means for praxis that anyone who is aligned with the ACP should just join SAlt.Like the majority of left groups in Australia, SAlt only turn up to protests, take some pictures and then fuck off. At least the ACP runs CUDL, a street kitchen operating in multiple cities across the country.
>That's because your form of organising is trash. There's plenty of opportunity, the likes of the ACP and SAlt are just too much of a cult to attract normiesThen what's your special secret organising sauce, anon? How would you organise in this country contrary to what the existing orgs do? As I've said before, the ACP at least engage with the community through CUDL. Every other group seems to only want to show up to rallies and then do nothing else.
>>19925As above, most left groups seems to be stuck in a 'uni bubble' of sorts where they only focus on getting uni students to their pet rallies or selling as many papers as they can and nothing else. I guess that's less of a criticism of specific left groups but more an indictment of the current state of the left in general in Anglo countries, but it is bleak. The reason I joined the ACP was it was the only group actually doing something besides rocking up to the usual yearly roster of rallies. The ACP has a lot to learn in terms of organising, but we're making the effort to at least attempt to exit the routinised 'rally culture' that afflicts a good portion of the major left orgs (including the CPA). Not saying there aren't other small left groups doing the same, of course, but the ACP is the largest of these smaller groups.
>>19924CUDL is run by the ACP. We've been growing (with a new kitchen recently opening up in Coffs harbour) and like you've mentioned, we have plans to open up additional services, However, we absolutely need more volunteers and donations.. Feel free to come down, it's open for anyone to contribute to. The website has info about what/when kitchens are open in your area..
>>19927>ACP doesn't sell papers, nor T-shirts. Sounds like you've dealt with the CPA. ACP was what split from the CPA right? If so, guessing yall ditched those shitty practices?
>Then what's your special secret organising sauce, anon? How would you organise in this country contrary to what the existing orgs do? As I've said before, the ACP at least engage with the community through CUDL. Every other group seems to only want to show up to rallies and then do nothing else.Imo leftist orgs need to take a page from XR's book.
1) Combining civil disobedience, outreach, theater and protest. Makes rallies a better form of outreach and normalizes defying the state. I know many normies who have gone through a 'just votes green' to 'hates capitalism' pipeline because of this. Leftist orgs who participate in rallies (which I think all should be doing), should be learning from this.
2) Dropping the commie aesthetic and lingo. Not saying the theory should be dropped, that should most definitely be kept. But the hammer and sickles, the constant reference to an abstract revolution, old lingo like 'dictatorship of the proletariat', etc. should be dropped. Don't change the meaning, just use things that are approachable. The number of people I've talked to who have rejected SAlt because of the aesthetic/culture but are for all intents and purpose communists is ridiculous.
3) Being environmental and first nations focused rather than labor. Class still needs to be a fundamental part of our analysis, but it's not the issue with the potential to rally people around currently.
This is just the stuff off the top of my head. This is largely from my experience from being involved with XRWA and socialist orgs in WA.
anarcho-primitivismAnarcho-Primitivism >>19930>Dropping the commie aesthetic and lingo.Fucking this.
I've literally being so close to cryptoing people at a protest, then some fuckin' nong with a Che beret and le based 4th International flag scoots over because they understood what I was getting at, and promptly blows up the whole attempt by reeing.
Comrade, I understand, you're enthusisatic to see another out in the wild dressed and acting as a normie, but you are literally offputting and
shave that pathetic scraggly sparse ""beard""/rant
Anyway I like Italian and Japanese flavoured communism so ymmv
>>19932>What is being an Aussie like?I was raped by a crocodile today, and Emu on Monday, and most likely will be put in a chockehold and railed like a bottom by a Big Red Roo on Saturday.
In fact, and echidna is tonging my anus right now.
Such is life in Australia.
eurekaEureka >>19938>My advice on this would be saying "Shut the fuck up, you know exactly what it means" because there's no doubt they've already had it explained to them a hundred times and all they want to waste your time and dissuade people.This exactly. If they're such gormless worms as to be offended, then they're probably better off being expunged from whatever it is you're organising.
Don't need to be hostile, perhaps let them regurgitate their insipid pleasantries initially, but if after say a week or two they'll still vomiting their nothings, tell them they should know what you mean and to either use the
free and accessible resources you have available or to shut the fuck up or fuck orf.
imo ymmv
eurekaEureka >>19932Imo some key factors are:
1) Being one of the most privileged countries on earth. We were (relatively) hardly impacted by the GFC, we have a great healthcare system, earning a comfortable living is more than common, etc. This has resulted in a very politically apathetic population, outside of the issues that are being spoon fed by Murdoch's media.
2) Being saturated by the USA's media and politics has resulted in people discussing US issues more than issues within this country, reinforcing the political apathy of this nation.
3) Rather than the American exceptionalism, we have a 'comfy apathy', summed up with the slogan of 'she'll be right'.
anarcho-primitivismAnarcho-Primitivism >>19947Confederation sounds alright
>>19722I've started to read "A new Britannia" its some good stuff, would recommend if you can get your hands on a copy
eurekaEureka >>19946He's right, but let's be honest if the press was intended to be "free" the murdoch press wouldn't have the monopoly that it has on us now.
That being said in places like the UK, Liverpool straight up banned any news articles related to the Murdoch press.
eurekaEureka >>19949Memes like this remind me we need more Eureka stockade/ Ned Kelly shitposts.
BTW, what's "A New Britannia" all about?
eurekaEureka >>19951"A New Britannia is an essay on the ideology of the Australian labouring classes up to and including the Great War. The Aim is to show why they could not produce a socialist party. Instead, the ALP embodied the values of a petit-bourgeoise" - From the Prologue
"This stimulating new edition of Humphrey McQueen's irreverent classic charts the origins of the Australian Labor Party. In tracing the social forces that produced the ALP, he shows it was anti-socialst from the very start. Along the way he reveals a colonial passion for pianos and uncovers the proto-fascist ideas behind Henry Lawson's popular writings. An expanded Afterword brings the ALP into the current phase of globalising.Racism rears its many heads throughout this challenging story, and Humphrey McQueen shows that the desire for land was the basis for much of what passed as radicalism and socialism. For Australians, it would seem the land boom has never ended." - from the blurb
H. McQueen is a communist who writes well, try and get your hands on the 2004 version as it has an updated afterword (book was originally written in the 70s)
>>19943I also think its significant that -
A). The neoliberal revolution was ushered in by the Labor party - so there wasnt as big a struggle
B). Our government system is and has been incredibly stable throughout its history, the closest we got were things like Lang and Goth, outside of colonial meme events.
C).We never had a real historical aristocracy like old world countries did and the psuedo aristocracy that did arise here was greatly weakened by how land was distributed.
>>19949>>19951Its a great book, that will really give good insight into Australian national character and how rapidly it changed.
>>19960>What would the political outcome be? Would people give a shit?Depends on a lot of factors, all of which are in a state of constant flux. With the internet and social media playing more of an intrinsic part of our lives, along it comes the evolution of propaganda and the spin.
I would say that if someone like ScoMo was to lead this operation, his approval would plummet even lower, but it would open up the doors for labour
and maybe the greens to capitalise on this failure and use it to gain more seats. Now I'm not saying things WON'T be better under labour/ the greens, but they offer a band aid solution to a bigger problem, which is the Australian government itself. I reckon what ought to be done should such a situation arise is for Australian leftists to bring up the history of us being lap dogs and treated like shit by the USA and the Commonwealth, from the two US backed coups done to us (resulting in the expulsion of Whitlam and Rudd), and offer a solution to end this cycle of bullshit. Now advocating for an anarchist federation or a ML people's republic may be a bit far fetched, but what we can do is advocate for an independence from the commonwealth, maybe a republic or confederation to play it safe. But even then, this will present problems, as we have to talk about what sort of republic we'll advocate for.
>>19961Doubly ironic owing to the fact ScoMo has allowed the liberal government to sell off public assets to the PRC.
eurekaEureka >>19957Under the Constitution the states virtually have no right except to exist and not have their citizens singled out.
Ever since the engineers case over the right to collect income tax (involving Menzies) states rights have become pretty irrelevant
>>19961Theres nothing in the constitution to stop it, and in cases where federal law contradicts state law federal law wins out.
>>19960Something to remember first is just how small our casualties have been for instance in both the entire iraq and afghan wars less than 50 Australians died and in Vietnam only about 500 did.
That said I think a really bad foreign war would simply at best end a liberal or labour government if it was close to election time or at worst give them a smaller majority next time. Our governments are pretty savvy when it comes to participating in Imperialism.
I think for all the pissing and moaning as long as the draft question doesnt get involved or the economy gets blitzed the status quo will prevail m
>>19968Its a public holiday, but a shitty half day one
Many shops have been known to cheat it by getting a few staff in to prep the shop in the morning
>>19970Anzac day has always been about forgetting the past to a degree. Now that the US is "pulling out" they're trying to cement history a bit.
Did you guys hear about the ACP shtick they pulled up in Sydney? I honestly did not see any point in doing what they did.
>>19973This is their statement:
>This morning, members and supporters of the Australian Communist Party gathered to remember the Australian lives lost in war by commemorating Anzac Day at the Martin Place Dawn Service. Members set up around the Dawn Service to provide tea, coffee and Anzac biscuits to attendees, and fundraised for Legacy with its generously provided rosemary so as to support veterans and their families, who have been repeatedly let down by the Australian government. However, the reason for our presence at this event was not to blindly support the new narrative the Australian government has warped around the meaning of the day, but to counter this patriotic jingoism and educate attendees on the real meaning of Anzac Day.
>This being to remember Australian and New Zealand lives lost in war, the majority of which have been sent to die in imperialist ventures for British or American interests. Overall, the morning was a success with many productive conversations conducted with veterans, their families and attendees in general. There was widespread support and civility in our dialogue and discussion with attendees, with many agreeing with us on the shameful nature of these imperialist adventures and the warmongering of the ruling class. The same support and civility, however, was not to be found with security and members of the NSW Police Force.
>As members attempted to enter the Dawn Service, they were targeted and harassed by both security and police, and prevented from entering. One member, who was wearing an ACP shirt under his jacket, was blocked from entering due to the presence of a hammer and sickle logo on his breast. Another member was blocked from entering for her possession of an ACP flag. When questioned as to why Labour and Liberal party members had been permitted entry whilst openly showing their political affiliation, we were informed that the security had been told to turn us away by the higher powers. Members were allowed to enter by security once they had forfeited their party material, highlighting a clear effort by the police state to censor and stifle freedom of speech from members of the public.
>Furthermore, once members were inside the service itself, they were harassed and surrounded by more than a dozen police for the duration of the event. Uniformed and plain-clothed police and security circled and members throughout for attempting to carry a flag and wear a shirt, whilst the supporters and affiliates of the ruling class were allowed to openly declare and carry material supporting their own ideologies at this supposedly ‘non-political event’. Thus, when a supporter of the Party draped themselves with the Party flag, they were immediately pounced on by multiple police, who proceeded to put this comrade in a stress grip, and manhandled to the exit of the service. For what reason?
>No breach of the peace had been made, no outrage had been stirred, no disruptions created. None except by the fascist members of the ever-petty New South Wales Police Force. When police attempted to intimidate the supporter for his details, they were asked on what charge and basis he had to provide them. Finding that no breach of the law had been made, they reverted to a simple, unofficial move on order. Police stumbled over themselves trying to find a legal basis for their fascistic censorship, declaring that foreign flags should not be displayed in the event, that it may potentially breach the peace, that it was not the time and place and so on. However, there was no legislative justification for the censorship that only targeted communists who attempted to solemnly mark the deaths of young Australians and relatives in imperialist ventures.
>Whilst the militaristic, warmongering propaganda which perverts the true lessons of the sacrifices made all those years ago is allowed to grow unimpeded and poison the minds of future generations of young Australians, those who dare express their freedom of speech and challenge this narrative are swiftly and severely censored. However, we will continue to fight for the memory of those who have gone before us, and honour their legacy by challenging those who would commit the same mistakes of their forebears. Lest we forget the working-class Australians sent to die for imperialism thousands of miles away from their homes and families. Lest we forgive the rich warmongers that sent those Australians to die for their profits. May we never again forget that the true enemy of working-class Australians is the imperialist class enemy. All power to the people. >>19975I had a gut reaction to the appearance of a pasty lanky guy in a beret as i think its symbolic of many of the problems with the left in Australia and abroad, but in light of everything else - namely open quizling celebration (Serbian Chetniks being allowed to march in parades comes to mind) and the erasure of ANZAC day's protesting past (like Women against Rape protests) - the act is warranted.
Btw wtf is going on in Tasmania?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/tasmanian-election-promise-tracker-liberal-labor-greens-policy/100036130 >>19974Is there any way to circumvent the repression?
Isn't china close with australia? why do they repress communist
>>19979sadge
stay in high spirits!
>>19984Overproduced bile, Katter is alright but
>>19985Isn't he Pentecostal? The tongue speaking is satanistic. How can there be so much political inertia in one country? No one is presenting anything new, not even the fascists.
>>19986>Isn't he Pentecostal? The tongue speaking is satanistic. How can there be so much political inertia in one country? No one is presenting anything new, not even the fascists.Cultural inertia and stasis is always upstream from economic stagnation in some ways as no factors are being introduced by creation of new and different productive forces that accelerate culture and society to different stages.
Some chinese university did a study and found that America's TRUE economy (As in GDP actually created by and for productive forces) is only about 5T dollars and has been stagnant since about 1991.
I wish they would do a similar study for us considering that we have basically built and done NOTHING for like the last 30 years.
eurekaEureka >>19691Any country where the left cannot find the willpower for at least 1 public nuclear power plant is a country with a compromised, stupid idpol left that can only serve to prevent real leftists from taking power. This is because a public nuclear power plant actually has to faken work, and this means ensuring all the workers are happy and give a shit about the craftsmanship they put into the job. It also forces a fuel recycling plant which also has to fucking work or else it creates a national embarrassment.
Even Canada, yes CANADA, can do this. In fact it's built by the same company that bankrolled Trudaeu and bribed him to build that oil pipeline everyone is mad over. This is done because, in order for Canada's shitleft to even have a chance, workers have to feel better than their American counterparts. A domestically designed and built nuclear power plant is the ultimate demonstration of this.
https://www.auscp.org.au/the-drums-of-war
>The ACP urges all workers to note the warnings currently being given by their rulers about the threat of war with China and to prepare to give the appropriate response. In recent days, the secretary of the Home Affairs Department, Mike Pezzullo, has urged us the hear the “drums of the war” and be ready "to send off, yet again, our warriors to fight". He was echoing the sentiments of the Defence Minister, Peter Dutton, who said that war with China over Taiwan should not be discounted.
>Assistant Defence Minister Andrew Hastie reminded us, as if any such reminder were needed, that the essential role of the ADF is to apply “lethal force”. Of course, to justify a military adventure and mobilise the population for war, there has to be a range of excuses introduced to manufacture consent. So, we hear endless stories about China’s alleged “genocide” of the Uyghur people in Xinjiang province, aggression in the South China Sea and against Taiwan and repression of “pro-democracy” protestors in Hong Kong.
>We can ignore all the bleating about human rights. Imperialist countries, with the US in command, have supported and armed history’s most blood-curdling and repressive regimes. The real reasons for war have to do with trade, markets and control in the region and beyond. The bans on Australian coal, wine and other exports have incensed the local bourgeoisie and brought it back in behind the 70-year-old Australia-US Alliance more firmly than before.
>China’s growing influence and the challenge it brings to Australian-supported US hegemony is behind the growing aggressiveness of the puppets in the federal parliament. They have defaulted to the side of the US in this conflict. Of course, this harms Australia’s relations with many of our neighbours, and it is worthy of note how New Zealand is developing closer ties with China. As is the nature of capitalist hegemony, nations have to pick a side, but we must be clear, this is not an ideological contest between socialism and capitalism. It is a showdown between the capitalism that has grown up inside China and its older rivals in the region.
>Some on the “left” and right have dismissed the threat of an actual fighting war with China. Their argument runs that, minor conflicts in the global south aside, “wars” are now fought and won in the economic sphere. It is not in anybody’s interest to wipe out all that productive capacity in what would be an unimaginably deadly conflict, they say.
>We cannot afford to gamble on the prospect of war with China. What is clear is that capitalism and its drive to seize and control socially produced wealth inevitably leads to war. The evidence of centuries of the dominance of this social system has proven that. Lenin disagreed profoundly with Kautsky and his fantasy of peaceful capitalism. He advised workers to prepare for war, not for war on behalf of their masters’ financial interests, but in their own interests and to dispose of the source of all future wars in the process. We should heed his advice. The road to achieving that goal will be long and difficult but the Australian Communist Party is committed to this course.ruh roh time to defect
eurekaEureka >>19974I'm a fascist but I 100% agree with them.
You might be surprised that many of us share this view too, that those imperialist wars, whether WW1 or WW2, only ever served a few people, and not the poor souls sent to die, fighting against their own brothers.
I don't attend ANZAC ceremonies for this reason, but had I been there I would have supported the commies.
>>19997This image is ridiculous /pol/ tier understanding of geopolitics conflating geography/historical definitions of east/west with modern geopolitical definition.
The majority of countries shaded in red here are peripheral territories of the US Empire & Europe. While the US empire is in a state of fragmenting, it is the geopolitical east that is outnumbered and encircled. Putting the Arab gulf states within the geopol "east" alone shows whoever made this has no idea what they're talking about.
With that being said though, we will definitely get our assessment kicked in a real conflict with China - to call it suicidal is if anything a tremendous understatement, and comparatively would be like if a small pacific Island state went to war with Australia. That our elites are pushing this absolutely suicidal adventurism shows how detached from reality and deluded by western exceptionalism they are.
What fucking bothers me is that when we inevitably either get our assess kicked or spanked, the narrative will turn to an anti-Asian reactionary revanchism/hyper racism combined with some kind of stabbed-in-the-back narrative that "quiet Australians" will fucking lap up and regurgitate uncritically. Not working forward to that.
I fucking hate Americans for destroying and fucking raping the souls of our people, and I hope I see the day that every Septo man, woman and child in this country gets publicly lynched.
jucheJuche >>20000https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2021/04/27/global-de-coupling-the-map/Here is the source of the map.
An interesting historical anecdote I read was that in the early 20th and late 19th century the British-Pacific region (namely Australia and New Zealand) were becoming increasingly nervous about Japan (and of course, China), recognising that a strong British navy would mean greater protections for the colonies, New Zealand built and funded a dreadnought that was intended to patrol the pacific. However, as soon as WWI began, the British Admiralty ordered NZ to hand over the dreadnought so that they could better defend the mother country. We have continued this policy of having a weak defence while letting other bigger imperial powers to step in and protect us, it would be a vey rude awakening when we have no western empires to fall back on. I don't think China has any intention of invading, but the cultural shock would be immense - it would strike at the core of this nation.
>>20001An invasion of Australia would be a logistical nightmare, even with our tiny military, passive/weak population, lack of chemical weapons/nukes/ICBMs, etc.
China is one of the few countries with the military capabilities & population which could pull it off at tremendous cost, but what China has going for them is that they don't actually have to invade us. We're an Island state far separated from our allies with neither significant light or heavy industrial capabilities - unable to produce even a significant portion of consumer goods necessary for a fairly spartan existence, and certainly incapable of autarky in military production. What's worse is that we hardly produce any oil at all, which even if we did refine here, wouldn't cover military/government needs let alone civilian (ie, agriculture).
All China would have to do is park a small portion of its massive navy on our coasts and they could effectively starve us out within months. Australia has no strategic fuel reserves, so not long after 20-30 days even the military/government run out of fuel, power stations start going off, transport between major cities/rural areas becomes almost impossible and agriculture falls apart. Even before the tractors and combine harvesters, etc stop running and the food rots in the fields, Our supermarkets - which depend on just in time logistics, run out of food and basic goods within a week. With limited fuel and no transportation inner-city let alone between urban hubs, cities begin starving as soon as people run out of food in their pantries. The govt, deprived of fuel, is going to be in no position to begin feeding people. Once the power goes off, water pumping goes off, which means most of the country is without water, and now there is no means of transporting it.
All it would take is 6 months of the blockade and the death toll would be in the many millions. Under similar conditions, the US estimates that 2/3 of their population would die off in a year - we'd likely see similar casualties here. This is assuming that they don't start lopping cruise missiles at us from their ships either - a real possibility for which we have absolutely no defense.
It would only take a portion of the Chinese navy. mostly just submarines for a few months to achieve to this. Anybody who thinks the US would intervene to save Australia - risking San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Seattle in the process is nuts. The US navy will be spread thin and likely will take heavy losses, in the beginning, weeks/month of the war, losses which they are incapable of replacing as they've lost most of their shipbuilding capabilities having long since outsourced them to south Korea and China.
When I call this "suicide" it's not any kind of an understatement. It'll be suicide of unprecedented, apocalyptic proportions.
jucheJuche >>20000> With that being said though, we will definitely get our assessment kicked in a real conflict with ChinaIt's hard to tell if you don't first define what kind of conflict you have in mind.
What I can think of is some sort of naval battle around Taiwan. On one hand you could predict that a RAN increasingly staffed by women and minorities and led by transsexual officers won't fare well, but it's not like the Chinese navy is very experienced either. But since it would be conventional forces vs. conventional forces, my money is still on Western technology. Things might be different in 50 years once Western engineers have been replaced by African women too, but for now there is still a clear edge.
>>20002> All China would have to do is park a small portion of its massive navy on our coastsAnd how exactly do you do that without getting sunk from above or below?
You're also forgetting that those ships themselves will have to be replenished. It's more likely that they will run out of fuel and supplies before we do…
What you are describing makes absolutely no sense. If they wanted to disrupt our supplies it would make more sense to have navy ships harassing merchant ships at sea, like the French and the British used to do when they were at war. That's where you can exert naval superiority (if you have it).
>>20003It's not just that the RAN is infested with kinseyite horseshit, discipline and patriotism are low among our armed forces. Most of our soldiers period come from kooshy middle-class backgrounds and are generally unadjusted to suffering. We haven't fought a real conflict with an equal - let alone superior force, for 70 years. Look what happened when similarly pamperred Saudi troops, with the best equipment in the world and none of that kinseyite/idpol bullshit fought against a bunch of Yemense goat herders and half starved partisans using early cold war tech - they got their assess kicked and forced to flee.
I don't doubt for a god damn minute that in a fight between 100 Chinese vs 100 westerners - even factoring in our better tech, that 50 of those westerners are going to turn around flee, half of them sobbing for their mothers. The Chinese on the other hand are willing to kill and die for their country.
Just look at the Army or Navy ad's on tv - they're trying to sell an "experience" like it's tourism or an adventure. These people aren't mentally or physically prepared for real hardship in a way a rural born Chinese soldier is.
Besides the tech gap isn't as big as it once was. It's not exactly like we have a state-of-the-art navy either - it's a trinket navy at best. While the US may still "rule the seas", they're going to take terrible casualties from anti-Ship missiles off the coast of China. The battle for Taiwan isn't one we can win with Chinese missiles stationed next dppr, and will likely escalate into a larger conflict.
>>20004I don't mean literally park their navy off our coasts. I'm referring to >it would make more sense to have navy ships harassing merchant ships at sea
All they have to do is send enough subs on rotation to disrupt fuel & other vital good shipments.
jucheJuche >>20005>I don't doubt for a god damn minute that in a fight between 100 Chinese vs 100 westerners - even factoring in our better tech, that 50 of those westerners are going to turn around flee, half of them sobbing for their mothers. The Chinese on the other hand are willing to kill and die for their country.First, that's irrelevant in naval warfare, where equipment and officers matter more than crew morale.
Second, it's likely that Chinese officers are also exactly the kind of middle-class pampered people you describe.
Finally, in a hypothetical infantry/land war between Chinese troops and bogans, on Australian soil, my money is on bogans. We could become the talibans of the Southern hemisphere.
>>20006I don't really follow the logic in your scenario.
There won't be a D-day landing in Taiwan for the exact same reason there was not a D-day landing in Crimea.
At the end of the day, Taiwan is not that strategic to the US. It's a bit of a client state for weapons sales, and an economic partner as well (for things like microelectronics), and certainly it would be better to keep and protect allies, but unlike South America or the Middle East, it's not in the backyard of the US or Israel, so not that important all things considered.
A scenario like the Russian one is more likely. China takes Taiwan relatively peacefully, then there are sanctions, saber-rattling, etc. but no real confrontation.
>>20006That dosen't really sound like the crimean war considering the Crimean war was characterised as being a horrific slog for both sides where ultimately no gains were made and the allied coalition only won because russia blinked first.
What you describe would be more like a Napoleon v the European coalition bruh tier defeat for the anglosphere.
eurekaEureka >>20001>recognising that a strong British navy would mean greater protections for the colonies>We have continued this policy of having a weak defence while letting other bigger imperial powers to step in and protect usWhich is why we have jumped ship (lol) to kissing the USA's ass as they have the better navy. But as
>>20002 and
>>19696 have pointed out, kissing the USA's ass is not likely to have bought us any serious protection.
>>20002>All it would take is 6 months of the blockade and the death toll would be in the many millions.A potential factor resulting in this not occurring if China were to invade is that there might not be much to gain from blockading Australia. It might be a much better idea to just invade the north of WA for its natural resources.
>>20003>>20005This reactionary crap is cringe and makes no fucking sense.
>>20006I can only expect a cold war to be pushed by the USA due to their economic dependence on China. So if China were to invade Taiwan it would only be met with stern trade war shit. China's gonna have to be the one to pull the trigger on the USA. Only way I see the USA pulling the trigger is if the go awol due to being ripped apart by internal issues, which might happen, idk. probably will happen with climate change.
>>20009fuck off cunt
anarcho-primitivismAnarcho-Primitivism >>20008Taiwan produces a majority of the world's semiconductor microchips.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/16/2-charts-show-how-much-the-world-depends-on-taiwan-for-semiconductors.htmlUnlike Crimea, Taiwan is incredibly important. Taiwan alone has many times the chip manufacturing capacity of all of China. Controlling Taiwan means controlling the economy of not only China, but the world.
>>20015Well I'm not going to ask about what's on in your bloc, but I'm seeing the Chinese backing both sides.
On the one hand they have people here offering us assistance; on the other they are offering support to the petit bourgeois through the small business community.
The small business lobbies are a direct and influential opponent of workers rights, frankly they are pork face motherfuckers and we know them quiet well.
Whenever someone tries to improve the welbeing of workers they are the ones who immediately oppose and frustrate action from a national level right down to local councils.
Are we really expected to believe that these are two separate entities and the Chinese in Australia are not simply playing both sides
>>20014More concerned that the western communist movement has already been hijacked by CIA radlibs & most parties and orgs have been transformed into pawns for US Empire.
The recent foreignpolicy article praising bunkerchan, or articles praising radlibs like contrapoints should be deeply concerning. If the bourgeois states of the west view us as less of a threat than dipshit chinless, hentai addicted fucking fashy larper shutins, it's an indication there is a serious illness prevelant in "the left".
Whatever your position on Dengism and whether or not China is a socialist state (I don't believe it is to be clear) a shift toward geopolitical multipolarity is the only chance we have at real independence. Anybody in Australia shilling anti-China propaganda or publicly criticizing China is just doing the work of maintaining our enslavement to the US Empire and is a useful fucking idiot at best, a willing traitor at worst.
jucheJuche >>20017I would put as much store on the praise of bunkerchan as I put in anything published by the media- it's just opportunism.
Australia's foreign policy has been hijacked by the US, who's military presence here is not for our benefit but their own.
My concern is that middle powers like Australia could become the battleground between the old capitalist order and the new Chinese capitalist order.
By all accounts China is moving backwards in terms of socialism, I take a mixed view of Deng- but Xi has allows the workers of China to be enslaved to further encourage capitalist colonies in China and the investment they bring.
I am also deeply concerned at the growing Han nationalism coming from China, much of this is hidden from international and non-Mandarin speaking workers but racism is fierce in China against south east asian, indian and frankly just about anyone who isn't Chinese.
Their foreign investment could easily morph into imperialism if the racism of the wealthy minority within China is leveraged rather than kept in check
>>20024The federal government has been fucking them, the BRI deal being torn up was a surprise to them because they thought Andrews had sold them the country.
The Chinese communist party has their own way of influence peddling, the constant attacks against primary producers was meant to win over rural MP's in effected regions- it was very targeted.
At the same time the Chinese government has a massive network of supporters here that answer directly to HanBan (their DFAT).
The other side of this is the support for communism they have to tread a lot more carefully, especially now.
They often put plants in local communist groups, and the assuption that they use Chinese nationals or ethnic Chinese is typically wrong.
Their guys are all Han ethno-nationalists, raised on anti-minority propaganda and wouldn't pass in communist circles.
Unfortunately this becomes our business because we are inevitably claimed for everything China does- and pointing out that the Chinese aren't communists…well the phrase "not real communism" comes up.
>>20026Vegan liberals
Worth promoting to white ant the coalition but not any better than Labor
>>20034What honestly "is" Bandt though?
His tweets and shit the greens put to the floor under him make him seem to the "left" of NeoLabor?
eurekaEureka >>20034He used to be based, apparently referring the greens as a "bourgeois party" in his younger days. So not only is he no longer based, he's a sellout.
>>20036>He tries to emulate Corbyn and Sanders without having the party base to do soI understand the frustration with the Greens, but what a dumb line of thinking. Every movement has to start somewhere (not saying their movement is our movement). Furthermore, if only 800-900 people changed their votes to greens in the last federal election, then they would have had some real parliamentary power. So while their base isn't as founded as sanders or corbyn, it isn't nothing either. If are someone that doesn't vote Greens #1 because friendlyjordies told you it's bad for some reason, then you are a retard.
>just another progressive neoliberalYou could make a case that they are propogating neoliberalism in an indirect way, but everything you don't like isn't neoliberal.
>>20039>"Where they have working-class members, the Greens have not attempted to organise them in any systematic way. Despite having several thousand trade unionists as members, the party is almost invisible as an organisation in the workers’ movement. Their industrial relations policy is to the left of the ALP, but they have not built rank and file groups in unions to challenge Labor’s industrial agenda, or to challenge Labor-aligned union leaderships. They had a serious opportunity to break into the workers’ movement in 2002 when the secretary of the Victorian division of the Electrical Trades Union – one of the more militant blue collar unions – joined the party after resigning from the ALP. But they made nothing of it."https://marxistleftreview.org/articles/a-marxist-critique-of-the-australian-greens/This was written in 2010 mind you but it still touches on the core modus operandi of the party. Even today it is committed to recruiting a middle-class intellengencia strata instead of building and developing its working class base. The Greens aren't fresh nor are they new, they have been around for almost 30 years now - which is more than enough time to find your ideological footing. He also speaks glowingly of the Gillard govt. because of its "green" policy, where in reality it was a handy scheme in re-arranging carbon credits which heavily subsidized fossil fuel companies. How is this not a progressive neoliberal approach? There is no material nor economic dialogue to be found apart from social-democrat posturing towards making sure rich people pay their taxes.
>If you are someone that doesn't vote Greens #1 because friendlyjordies told you it's bad for some reason, then you are a retard.I would never listen to such a retarded, unfunny, anti-communist social fascist. I understand that the political landscape in Australia is sparse that it is almost impossible to analyse anything without ultimately bringing it back to parliamentary politics, but effectively all wings of parliament are the wings of capital. Just because they accept Thatcher's maxim doesn't mean we have to as well.
>>20041>He also speaks glowingly of the Gillard govt. because of its "green" policy, where in reality it was a handy scheme in re-arranging carbon credits which heavily subsidized fossil fuel companies. How is this not a progressive neoliberal approach?any sources on this? At an event I attended (young greens are just as cringy as young labor btw) he relentlessly shat on labor for their handling on the climate crisis among other things. He had things to say about free education, dental into medicare, and addressing the housing crisis. He's also called on the nationalisation of assets. I'm not entirely swayed by them since those things, while nice, ultimately do not address the obvious crux of the issue but I would hardly call any of this a neoliberal approach.
>but effectively all wings of parliament are the wings of capital.I agree, but it doesn't necessarily make the greens neoliberals from what I understand of them
>>20064As of now, no. But let's be brutally candid, it's not necessarily out of a fault of our own. The murdoch press and the liberal government are without a doubt a major force which dictates, brainwashes, undermines and at times, overthrows our institutions and our people. I'd say that we're certainly getting better, and I wouldn't lose hope for revolution, but I doubt it's going to come in the shape of a communist party running for governance and winning. I think there is always revolutionary potential in core nations, lest we forget Portugal in the 1970's or even the political upheaval going on in America right now, with autonomous zones such as the George Flloyd memorial being a thing. There is always potential for revolution, but I doubt we will get socialism immediately from it. It takes time, it takes patience, and most importantly
it takes pressure.
eurekaEureka >>20064We live in the era of darkest reaction anon.
Truth is there isn’t a whole lot of revolutionary potential in most of the third world rn either. This is a conclusion Jason & I came to a long time ago.
jucheJuche >>20070Re-read my post and don’t be a patronising dick. Just said there isn’t rev potential in most of the third world either.
I’m 100% focused on local politics and I’d encourage any Australian to be as well. Seizing state power at any point remotely soon isn’t going to happen though and any group on about that is larping ie defacto armchair politics so we have to redefine a lot of what we’re trying to do and how we do it.
Right now I’m just trying to start up some small scale mutual aid community programs in my bumfuck rural town out in whoop whoop.
jucheJuche >>20086Based.
Two mostly ethnically homogeneous nations allying against the North American diversity cesspool. We could become the Germany and Japan of the 21st century.
I like the idea. It's improbable though.
>>20088All the more reason to evolve into a Posadist from a tankie and turn all that fucking uranium into a massive Fractional Orbital Bombardment system. Fuck.
But seriously, would it be bad if a China aligned-Australia had 100000 satellite mounted nukes?
posadasPosadas >>20092That must have been fucking awful. That was what finally got me to stop going on 4chan, I was like "bro if people here are making "funny" edits of this why am i here these are all sickos"
It does remind me of why left liberalism is essentially a sham though, you have to be ready and willing to engage in self defense against these people, and to treat them as an actual threat. There can be no tolerance for people like Tarrant, no pussyfooting nor "debate", they must be recognized as the sadists they are
>>20093Are you the angry tankie poster? You're an Aussie?
also it's Haz but relevant rant:
https://youtu.be/iHcFIOtBs1c >>20093Please deliver more Australian blackpills
I want to feel how hilarious it is when a dumbarse thinks paper or "laws" mean shit when money's on the line.
Maybe I should go back and do Law, even though I don't want to be a lawyer… Just to understand how so many of their ilk infest everything.
'Laborism and socialism' is actually available online here:
https://www.surplusvalue.org.au/McQueen/lab_history/lab_hist_laborism_socialism.htmbut pdf related is the 'glory without power' article. Apologies for the hair.
left_communismLeft Communism>>20086I'd take it on the prerequisite that
1. We become a republic before we do this. In that case we don't have to deal the UK/ USA fucking around with our foreign affairs even further. If we can't it won't be necessarily impossible, but it would be exceedingly difficult. That being said, if we still have the commonwealth this brings me to option number 2.
2. They let go of our mines/ ports/ farms that they have bought from us. Ideally, this would also happen should we establish a republic, but you get my point. We should still have trade/ diplomacy with them, but I don't want foreign powers owing national resources.
3. There needs to be a greater element of trust made between Australia and China. Maybe more foreign exchanges, perhaps new social media platforms to be created for Australians and Chinese people to interact.
4. Education. Both China and Australia should create programs to better understand eachothers language, history, culture. In theory, can you imagine the generations that may follow of Chinese/ Australian shitposters uniting against Seppo imperialism. We would be fucking unstoppable.
eurekaEureka >>20097wtf I didn't know he had his own website, this is incredible. "Frameworks of Flesh" seems to be on there as well. Thanks for the article anon.
Blue murder is another one of those missing Australian Historical books, copies online go for two hundred bucks. That's why I hesitate putting it on this
>>19722 list
>>20095When the government tries to pass legislation that takes power away from the elite, it gets overturned by the High Court. Electoralism literally cannot work in Australia for this reason.
This case really grinds my gears.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_New_South_Wales_v_Commonwealth >>20100I'm not actually the so-called 'leftcom' poster you see using the flag elsewhere on leftypol, I've only made about 3 posts under that flag on this thread. Anyway I guess it's still me you're addressing.
Basically I read Capital vol 1 and thought it was obvious that when Marx talked about the value form he meant something unique to capitalism that must be abolished. Then later I found MLs etc on here and elsewhere decrying this belief as 'leftcom' so I looked into left communism. You must realise there are a bunch of different things called 'left communism' – Boridigism, Italian Communist Left, Dutch/German communist left (council communism), Autonomism, Communisation, and the Situationist International fit in there somewhere too.
I hold basically Italian Communist Left positions, like the International Communist Tendency (leftcom.org). I find it attractive just because all the trotskyist, ML, maoist etc groups all essentially claim their own tiny groupuscule to be the true vanguard of the working class that must convince the proletariat of their position and help them personally to win state power in a coup d'etat etc etc. Which is just unrealistic. Whereas for (non-bordigist) leftcoms the party is something that must eventually be formed but is a title which no existing organisation can exclusively claim. This is expressed in the slogan 'we are not the party, but we are for the party'. Instead communists must kind of form the 'historical conscience' of their class, to study and learn the successes and failures of past movements and to apply these lessons to current struggles.
I'm not going to pretend I'm hugely well read in this, because I'm not. Maybe I'm misrepresenting some of it. But you're the one who asked. If you're interested in learning more about left communism, try reading some of the pamphlets here:
https://www.leftcom.org/en/store and for a general history of 'left communism' this book is very good, even though it's by a communiser:
https://libcom.org/library/eclipse-re-emergence-communist-movementBtw syndicalism is nothing to do with left communism. The union form of organisation, while important for the welfare of workers under capitalism, is a revolutionary dead end because it can only protect proletarians as proletarians, and has nothing to do with the abolition of class society.
left_communismLeft Communism Excellent news comrades
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/05/18/fore-m18.htmlA legal basis for removing Washington's influence through their so called NGOs and other TLAs etc has been established
stalinStalin>>20104>things called 'left communism' – Boridigism, Italian Communist Left, Dutch/German communist left (council communism), Autonomism, Communisation, and the Situationist International fit in there somewhere too. Interdasting…
I've always thought councils were the way things were meant to eventually go. Hm.
If you had to summarise the differences each of the aforesaid "leftcoms" in one sentence based on as you understand them, what would it be to you?
And I'll read those pamphlets and the book.
And yes, unionism/syndicalism may be an evolutionary dead end, but imo for the current circumstances and foreseeable future it's a good tool in the transition.
Cheers cobra :D
>>20107I'm not sure about Bordigists and autonomists but most leftcoms agree that the workers' councils are the way to go for future and revolutionary organisation. Historically that has been the spontaneous form that has arisen in revolutionary circumstances many times. Councilism is just the name given to theories of people like Pannekoek and Sylvia Pankhurst as well as some small groups. The difference between councilism and the italian communist left is that the councilists tended to reject the notion of the revolutionary party altogether, instead hoping for spontaneous full revolutionary consciousness arising in the proletariat during their immediate struggles, and this leading directly to revolution. Whereas the Italian communist left position (ICT etc) is that there is a role for the party e.g. as the 'historical conscience' of the class, as I described in the other post. There are a few other differences as well.
For the 'Italian Communist Left' I suggest reading this:
https://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2009-07-01/the-italian-communist-left-a-brief-internationalist-historyBordigism is an offshoot based on anti-democracy and extreme focus on the vanguard party (even though there are dozens of spilnters all claiming the same title). Autonomism is anti-party and has a focus on the whole of society as a giant 'factory' based on some dodgy theory imo. I don't know much about it but I think one of the main theorist was called Negri. Communisation is the idea the abolition of capitalism and the institution of communism will occur simultaneously and spontaneously, apparently without any organisation. At least some communisers also believe that accounting and planning of any kind will be abolished. The main stuff to read would be the works of Gilles Dauvé and the journal Endnotes. It's interesting to read about, even though I disagree with them. Finally, you've probably heard of the Situationist International through its main organiser, Guy Debord, author of Society of the Spectacle. They had some funky ideas about art and stuff. I definitely recommend having a look at them but don't let Debord's exceeding smugness get to you.
To make this a little more relevant to the actual thread, here's an article about J.A. Dawson, probably the first Australian 'left communists':
https://libcom.org/library/left-communism-australia-ja-dawson-southern-advocate-workers-councils-steve-wrightleft_communismLeft Communism >>20111Thank you for the effort post.
Much thinking to do now.
>>20113Its better than nothing and good for advertising, but I don't think it will really has any chances of building the dual-power they're trying to achieve. The thing is with the Black Panthers is that they would go out to communities that were underfunded and overlooked - completely lacking in social services. So they filled the role of the government to some extent and become important to that community as it becomes an alternative to the current system. But with CUDL they seem to usually go out to city centres and hand out supplies, and while I think this is good work (homelessness is an ever increasing curse) they're not really connecting with any communities.
I don't know what the answer is and I don't know what's in Bob Britons brain. I have many theories floating around in my head ranging from radicalising Indigenous communities to performing entryism into local unions, but the first step (and it's a big one) is to connect and resonate with the working class. Maybe CUDL is a good first step in this, it certainly doesn't hurt by way of personal development.
>>20113>>20114Given my background, I'm thinking of starting a creche and day care.
It's a weird way to start, but it fits my education, training, and experience.
Alright lads, I know you like our thread so here is my post-mortem of the British labour movement
>>266653
The future of these dead heroin kids we call the labour movement in my opinion is an increasingly local and militarised force that hates landlords, employers, their weaselly lackeys, their agents in the media, their infiltration in every aspect of society, those that represent us in the trade unions, the real estate agents, the tenant negotiators, the union negotiators, the Zionists, the landlords, the bosses, they're all everywhere. Politics is just grime and filth and dirt. We need a movement that will cleanse everyone. Every landlord must die.
Anyway hope to hear your feedback on these parasites and how we should deal with these "people"! Looking forward to hearing your stories.
>>20120please don't do entryism
it fucks up other's efforts
k thx
>>20128Based. What is the co-operative farming thing on the front page? I still don't understand from the link. Are they worker co-ops buying farms?
Another cool link is this one. It's the NSW government's plan to replace money with labour vouchers.
https://timebanking.com.au/ >>20132fuck I hate Scotty and the LNP
so much>>20133I hope it's Nats so the place tanks.
>>20145Michael is pretty good.
Some bad takes and still brainworms, but I think he's palatable to Australians.
Don't mean to shill MW so much but one of his lackeys put out a good report on the true scale of royalties that the Aus mining lobby gives back to Australia. Here are the key takeaways:
>The Mineral Council of Australia has exaggerated by 27%, or $41 billion, the amount of tax and royalties paid by the mining industry over the past 10 years.
>Australian Government are paying more in subsidies to fossil fuel companies than they are getting back in royalties.
<Over the past decade, an average of only 5.6% of total commodity export value has been paid in royalties to Australian states, territories, and the federal government.
>By far the worst scheme for capturing a fair share of profits is the Petroleum Resource Rent Tax (PRRT), which oversees offshore petroleum extraction. Less PRRT is paid now than in 1999 despite an almost ten-fold increase in petroleum export revenue.
>Australian governments have received just $28.2 billion in royalties from the extraction of fossil fuels (petroleum products and thermal coal) over the past 10 years. This is equal to the manufacturing costs of 4 of the 12 navy submarines commissioned by the Morrison government from French weapons manufacturer Naval.
>Queensland has the strongest royalty schemes in Australia. Proportionally, Western Australia earns half as much as Queensland does for its commodities.
>Metallurgical coal is twice as important for Australian governments in terms of royalty payments then thermal coal.
>Royalty payments on iron ore, Australia’s largest single commodity export, are an average of 7% of its export value. If this were set at the 9% we see for metallurgical coal then at least $14 billion more would have been collected over the past decade.
Interesting stuff imho, it puts a specific number on what we already know. I suspect this to stay stable for many years to come especially considering the "gas-powered" future we're heading to, but the lack of royalties paid back could also be a good political talking point to rally around like Medicare-for-All was in the States.
>>20154This and Game of Mates by Paul Frijters (pre owning a house and investment Paul) is a good one too.
Not sure if it's been digitised yet, if not I'll scan my copy any upload it here this weekend.
>>20158Why the fuck do libs instinctively blame the Prole and not the porky meant to be paying them for not paying them more then the ACTUAL dole?
Like it dosen't necessarily matter because these statistics are bullshit anyway considering most studies show people continue to look for jobs when their on the dole regardless of how much their given (considering that most things a person desires in life are ultimately linked more to the act of being employed then simply having money in itself) but do they have to HAVE IT IT EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT PEOPLE ARE NATURALLY TO LIKE HAVING 16 HOURS OF LEISURE AND 8 OF SLEEP WITH NIL WORK AND GET MORE MONEY???
OH MY GOD WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE WANT TO BE GIVEN MORE MONEY FOR DOING NOTHING???, RATHER THEN BEING GIVEN LESS MONEY TO DO SOMETHING???. THIS IS THE PROLES FAULT! SLASH UNEMPLOYMENT! MAKE THEM GO BACK TO THEIR WAGE CAGIE!!!eurekaEureka >>20162reminds me of the Amazon union drive failure, coupled with the fact that either branch of the govt. has no vision people will see the devastation around them and cling to what they know. Thatcherist mindset is gripping this country and both wings aren't really helping
But i get the feeling that the recent election is being played up a bit, i doubt how winnable the seat was. W.A Labor party ran on a similar platform and seemed to do well for themselves.
>>20086That would be an event more surprising than the molotov ribbentrop pact. Bear in mind China as this date only has one military alliance and thats with North Korea.
>>20113I think they genuinely help people but Im not sure how helping homless people translates politically.
Interesting article on the Prices and Incomes Accords:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0022185613517476
>The Accord remains a landmark by the standards of Australian industrial relations history and given the international context in which it emerged. It achieved its initial objective of addressing the problem of ‘stagflation’ and helped to facilitate structural reform in the Australian economy. In gaining cooperation from unions and by providing a social wage to cushion workers from the adverse effects of economic and wages policy reform, the Accord represented a more equitable alternative to neoliberal approaches adopted elsewhere. However, negative unintended consequences of the Accord years remain features of the contemporary labour market, which casts some doubt on its legacy.It also includes a set of presentations from various scholars include Hawke himself on the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T36-10Uqtxo&list=PLRl3LQExZ1f1ABfME8VZfYrVkw0wFdhWcImo the accord contentious and important events in Aus Labour history, ALP faithful's say it was necessary and beneficial (as per
>>19789 ), Trots say it was a Stalinist creation (because of Laurie Carmichael's involvement), and when it is talked about in online discussions it is treated as one thing (rather than 7 different accords over a 6 year period). All this is to stress the proper understanding of the Accords by communists.
eurekaEureka>>19702It was rubbish tier cheese to begin with.
A name change won't make it better.
>>20169>Centrelink.I had to go in to the office like 6 times during COVID because i was unable to report my non-existent income because a pop-up kept appearing saying that "your carer's financial details haven't been uploaded" when i didn't have a fucking career because i was applying for COVID as an unemployed single-adult.
everytime i went in and waltzed up to the counter and began explaining it to them all they would say was.
>"Oh all you have to do is get your carer you listed on your application to do X, Y, Z ok?"<"But i dont have a Carer?">"Ok let me explain…you go to this website *Begins writing the URL of Mygov on a paper to give to me for some reason* and you just follow the buttons that let you upload your carers information ok?<"Yeah but i dont…">"If you dont have a computer at home then feel free to use the public one over there *begins wagging their finger at me* "just make sure to never tell people your passwords or to use the computer for anything else ok buddy?"So they didn't help me at all and pretty much spoke to me like i was a fucking Rtard
eurekaEureka >>20173thanks
keep us posted
>>20173>You must have a passion in this fieldjob description: customer support
everyone is going crazy with these requirements, it's not enough to just do your job you also have to be freakishly devoted to it, even if it's shit work
Who is funding this organisation?
https://opencorpdata.com/au/644009110Seems glowie as fuck considering they were registered only a few months ago
eurekaEureka>>20186I might sit outside without my phone. I don't want feds tthinking I'm an anarchist when I'm not.
Can someone prepare that ancap "Anarchists beat me up in Greece" copypasta?
>>20190Why would glowies care one way or the other about anarchists?
It's probably below Rastafarian separatism on their list of threats.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7289430/tamil-family-lawyer-wants-an-explanation/>On Tuesday, Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews said "a range of resettlement options" were under negotiation.
>Foreign Minister Marise Payne later expanded on that statement, saying the US and NZ were options.
>"I do know that the Minister for Home Affairs, Ms Andrews, has indicated that there are two options there and the United States and New Zealand are both in the frame," she told Sydney radio 2GB.Comrades if this resettlement to the storeshittistahn occurs we will be forced in exchange to take in criminals and terrorists storeshittistahn has use for but does not want on its own soil for obvious reasons
This must be resisted by all means and this lovely family be returned to their friends and home in Biloela
stalinStalin >>20203I love how libs love this purely because "their team" came up with the idea.
though its cruel just straight them back to their own countries to be murdered or whatever would be more effective then trading Tamils for hondurans like a fucking refugee trading card game or something
eurekaEureka >>20192In the US where antifa & BLM are used as shocktroopers for the progressivist liberal aligned bourgeoisie ie the dems this is true, the overwhelming majority of the state's energy there is fixated on crushing the far-right & yankee "socialists" are ovewhelmingly tools for porky.
Australia's political situation is different, we're effective a semi-colony which exists both as an airforce base for the US and a cheap source of minerals for the Yankees. However ineffective, retarded and Americanized our radical left are, the state fears them in a way which the Yankee state doesn't. State Security doesn't give a shit about the far right here because like most of our people they think of themselves as little Americans and really want to serve the yanks. They're more like the eastern european far right than the west euro/american far right in this aspect, mentally deficient bootlicker untermenschen, poofs and hyperfeminized mumma's boy private school kids playing machismo & coming from the same mould as Yankee progressivists/"socialists".
Do these actual shitsmear group of bourgy urbanite anarchist kids actually pose a threat to the semi-colonial occupation government posing as the "Australian state"? No, they don't. Porky isn't exactly a rational beast though, and the reality remains that a radical left, if properly organized and led by actually competent human beings with a baseline adult male level of testosterone could potentially cause a threat though, and this keeps our comprador elites up at night.
jucheJuche >>20221I have to say I really got lulled into a false sense of security over the amount of police corruption outside of queensland.
Those bail conditions are crazy
>>20227wait
wat?
NOOOOOO NOT MY 2D BOOBA! >>20234Yes i saved that picture from a while ago somewhere.
Santos built a mine or something in some bumblefuck NSW town and payed to buy the police to get new cars if they put the logo on them.
eurekaEureka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0IG4jREsvs&t=23sbased bald australian greek man
but with hair edition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Liberals_(Australia)can't decide if these guys are based or cringe
on the one hand: keynesian MMTers endorsed by steve keen is far more based macro policy than the economic status quo, or Labor.
on the other: trying to appeal to ex-Liberals makes me wonder if they're likely to actually stick at it.
don't suppose they've got much chance of getting in either way mind you.
Get ready boyos
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jun/16/freedom-of-speech-may-not-be-protected-by-australias-constitution-high-court-judge-saysFreedom of speech may not be protected by Australia’s constitution, high court judge says
>Freedom of speech may not be guaranteed by the Australian constitution, according to a conservative judge newly appointed to the high court.
>In his judgment of a challenge to Australia’s foreign influence transparency scheme, Justice Simon Steward said freedom of political communication implied in the constitution may not exist and was not “settled law”.
>The opinion could be seen as a shift towards more conservative legal interpretations after the former attorney general Christian Porter was lobbied to appoint more restrained, “black letter” judges to the court.
>While the decision of one justice is unlikely to prompt more than 25 years of legal thinking to be overturned, it marks Steward as the most conservative high court judge since Dyson Heydon, who declared in 2013 that the implied freedom of speech was a “noble and idealistic enterprise which has failed, is failing, and will go on failing”.
>The foreign influence scheme, launched in December 2018, requires individuals or entities to register if they are lobbying, communicating or making payments on behalf of a foreign principal for the purpose of political or governmental influence.
>It was introduced as part of a package largely directed at the influence of China in Australia but put conservatives offside when the Attorney General’s Department investigated whether LibertyWorks and the former prime minister Tony Abbott should have to register.>>20238the implied freedumb was based on the constatooshun saying Austardia was a democracy, which xey said required freeze peach
Maybe xey should reinterpret "democracy" to mean capitalist oligarchy which it actually is and do away with the freeze peach?
>>20239>freeze peachcapitalism has privatized speech
We should co-opt free speech and redefine it as freedom from corporate & moneyed influence
We should treat corporate pr campaigns, the glowturfing and astroturfing as censorship
If the voice of a capitalist is louder than the voice of a proletarian that is in violation of free speech.
Without even trying, my definition is closer to the liberal concept of free speech, which defined it as a battle of ideas, not as a battle of media manipulation technology like private media monopolies, botnets and biased algorithms.
>>20241>They didn't allow members of the SEP to explain the political issues that the workers confront to them.<"They didn't let us go to their event and tell them what they should be doing"Are trots like fucking serious or what?.
>Calling the CPA and the fucking ACTU + Affiliates "Stalinist" (Which even the CPA isn't actually anymore their a bunch of fucking dengoids) because their asking people to join unions instead of the SEP.lol
eurekaEureka >>20237They will have no support from most Liberal voters because most Liberal voters are conservatives, not liberals.
Where they might be useful idiots is in gentrified areas. Places where elections are between Liberals and Greens will be upset with the New Liberals.
Given that we have preferential voting, should we rank them above or below Labor?
>>20247>Are trots like fucking serious or what?No contradiction, trots label anything and everything they don't like Stalinist.
Krushchev was a Stalinist, Gorbachev was a Stalinist, Yeltsin was a Stalinist, Jiang Zemin was a Stalinist, Assad is a Stalinist, etc.
It's just the trot version of the term "Tanky", which doesn't concretely mean anything but designed to create imagery of evil goosestepping oriental hordes & a negative emotional reaction in order to shut down thought/discussion.
If these WSWS writers actually took a time machine back to the Russian civil war and met Trotsky they'd label him a Stalinist too. Trotsky would probably respond by tying them to a post and killing them via 120 half-starving pieces of artillery.
jucheJuche >>20264I was a bit pedantic in
>>20262 because at the moment, it's not a problem. Usually you can't "throw away your vote" because LNP and Labor are so popular, but it's quite possible to "throw away your vote" when that's not true. This video gives a good graphical explanation. The Burlington mayoral election is an example of where this happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ >>20281Didn't mean to reply to you
>>20280 btw
>>20281Hawke was the Thatcher/Regan of Australia and responsible for the financialisation of our economy.
No idea how he managed to fool the working class simply by drinking beer and watching football.
>>19735>Socialist AllianceSocialist Alliance isn't Trot anymore. It's hard to say exactly what we (I am a member) are in classic doctrinal terms, but we're definitely a long way away from the old Democratic Socialist Party style Trot line. Since the early 00s there's been a lot of movement, especially in the last 5ish years as the class struggle has heated up. Even the DSP left the 4th International in 1986; a lot of the older comrades are kind of post-Trot, but compared to the way SEP and SAlt are still constantly quoting Trotsky like a cathechism Socialist Alliance has gone a long way from Trotskyism in either the doctrinal or the colloquial sense.
I like to think we're something like the Russian Social Democrats before the Bolshevik/Menshevik split, i.e., a bit confused but principled, trying to work out what's going on in the liminal period before shit really breaks out and the battle lines are drawn for real. Not the true class party, but the egg from which it might hatch. In my wildest fantasies, the Alliance feels a like the early CPA or it's predecessor parties (VSP etc.)
>>20286Jesus, I'd cop to an accusation of loving the Greens too much (not my view, but some comrades lean that way, especially oldies involved with the 80s anti-Nuke movement)
I've been around a fair bit, from Perth to Sydney to Cairns, and I've seen Bob Hawke spontaneously boo-hissed when he's come on screen during screening of political docos. I've seen what you might call left-succdem views, but I've never seen any love for the ALP (except in the sense that they're electorally preferable to the Libs).
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