Thread dedicated to the discussion of Australian politics and events.
I get that since the split the number of Australians here probably went from being counted on two hands to just one, but I figured that there should be at least a thread here that we can keep bumping.
553 posts and 131 image replies omitted.>>20241>They didn't allow members of the SEP to explain the political issues that the workers confront to them.<"They didn't let us go to their event and tell them what they should be doing"Are trots like fucking serious or what?.
>Calling the CPA and the fucking ACTU + Affiliates "Stalinist" (Which even the CPA isn't actually anymore their a bunch of fucking dengoids) because their asking people to join unions instead of the SEP.lol
eurekaEureka >>20237They will have no support from most Liberal voters because most Liberal voters are conservatives, not liberals.
Where they might be useful idiots is in gentrified areas. Places where elections are between Liberals and Greens will be upset with the New Liberals.
Given that we have preferential voting, should we rank them above or below Labor?
>>20247>Are trots like fucking serious or what?No contradiction, trots label anything and everything they don't like Stalinist.
Krushchev was a Stalinist, Gorbachev was a Stalinist, Yeltsin was a Stalinist, Jiang Zemin was a Stalinist, Assad is a Stalinist, etc.
It's just the trot version of the term "Tanky", which doesn't concretely mean anything but designed to create imagery of evil goosestepping oriental hordes & a negative emotional reaction in order to shut down thought/discussion.
If these WSWS writers actually took a time machine back to the Russian civil war and met Trotsky they'd label him a Stalinist too. Trotsky would probably respond by tying them to a post and killing them via 120 half-starving pieces of artillery.
jucheJuche >>20264I was a bit pedantic in
>>20262 because at the moment, it's not a problem. Usually you can't "throw away your vote" because LNP and Labor are so popular, but it's quite possible to "throw away your vote" when that's not true. This video gives a good graphical explanation. The Burlington mayoral election is an example of where this happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ >>20281Didn't mean to reply to you
>>20280 btw
>>20281Hawke was the Thatcher/Regan of Australia and responsible for the financialisation of our economy.
No idea how he managed to fool the working class simply by drinking beer and watching football.
>>19735>Socialist AllianceSocialist Alliance isn't Trot anymore. It's hard to say exactly what we (I am a member) are in classic doctrinal terms, but we're definitely a long way away from the old Democratic Socialist Party style Trot line. Since the early 00s there's been a lot of movement, especially in the last 5ish years as the class struggle has heated up. Even the DSP left the 4th International in 1986; a lot of the older comrades are kind of post-Trot, but compared to the way SEP and SAlt are still constantly quoting Trotsky like a cathechism Socialist Alliance has gone a long way from Trotskyism in either the doctrinal or the colloquial sense.
I like to think we're something like the Russian Social Democrats before the Bolshevik/Menshevik split, i.e., a bit confused but principled, trying to work out what's going on in the liminal period before shit really breaks out and the battle lines are drawn for real. Not the true class party, but the egg from which it might hatch. In my wildest fantasies, the Alliance feels a like the early CPA or it's predecessor parties (VSP etc.)
>>20286Jesus, I'd cop to an accusation of loving the Greens too much (not my view, but some comrades lean that way, especially oldies involved with the 80s anti-Nuke movement)
I've been around a fair bit, from Perth to Sydney to Cairns, and I've seen Bob Hawke spontaneously boo-hissed when he's come on screen during screening of political docos. I've seen what you might call left-succdem views, but I've never seen any love for the ALP (except in the sense that they're electorally preferable to the Libs).
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