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 No.495018[View All]

Last one got full of people baiting each other

Original post:
Is there a proxy conflict coming?
US will act ‘decisively’ if Russia deploys military to Cuba or Venezuela – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546021-moscow-presence-cuba-venezuela/
Are NATO and Russia on the brink of war over the Ukraine crisis? (Ex-UK ambassador to Russia)
https://www.rt.com/podcast/546013-russia-nato-ukraine-crisis/
US claims Russia preparing ‘false flag’ in Ukraine
https://www.rt.com/russia/546091-us-false-flag-ukraine/
Russia ‘fabricating a pretext for invasion’ of Ukraine – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546049-kremlin-fabricating-reason-ukraine-invasion/
Is Russia really preparing an offensive against Ukraine?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/546082-russian-military-exercise-ukrainian-border/
CIA-trained special ops could fight Russians in case of Ukrainian invasion – report
https://www.rt.com/russia/546041-cia-special-troops-ukraine-invasion/
Ukraine hit by huge cyber attack
https://www.rt.com/russia/546026-ukrainian-government-agencies-massive-cyberattack/
Russia-NATO relations at critical level, Moscow warns
https://www.rt.com/russia/545911-moscow-nato-relations-hazards/
US to train ‘Ukrainian insurgents’ in EU – media
https://www.rt.com/russia/546143-us-train-ukraine-insurgents-reports/
US seeking ways to profit should Russia-Ukraine conflict break out – reports
https://www.rt.com/business/546138-us-lng-russia-europe-sanctions/
Also: requesting that tweet where Lukashenko says that this year they reunite Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

To check for news: https://liveuamap.com/es
To check for (military) planes: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.
>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.
>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.
>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.
>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.

Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.
>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.

Also btw this also applies to China.
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 No.495576

>>495573
Imo Democrats Represent Wall Street finance capital, the dollar printer and Silicon Valley which push for global empire more aggressively than the Republicans which represent the industrial sector and oil and gas which is more protectionist.

 No.495577

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>>495556
>403 violations
that would make it one of the most violent days to date if I recall correctly

 No.495578

>>495576
Yeah, I think overall that's a correct analysis, but I would say that considering how huge those parties are there are probably intersecting factions. The USA have actually six parties, I would say, in the Dems you have
>the Blue Dogs
>the moderates/neoliberals
>the progressives
In the Reps:
>Neocons
>Right-wing populists
>evangelical Christian fascists

 No.495579

>>495577
With that many violations I wonder if we'll see more dead this year than last. According to Wikipedia 146 people were killed in the war last year, we would probably know pretty soon, maybe tomorrow or shortly after, how many people were killed, though it'll likely be underreported by both sides.

 No.495580

Democrats Are Rushing Through a Massive Ukraine Defense Bill
>“This is how the space for nonmilitary options gets slowly closed off in Washington, without any real debate,” one of the sources, a senior Democratic aide, told The Intercept.
https://theintercept.com/2022/01/25/ukraine-defense-bill-democrats/

 No.495581

>>495575
You seem to tolerate neo-nazis fighting on Russian side pretty well.

 No.495582

>>495581
What Russian neo-nazis?

 No.495583

>>495582
>>495118

 No.495584

>>495118
DNR = "Donetsk People's Republic"
LNR = "Luhansk People's Republic"
I doubt fascists would name themsevles "People's Republic"
I suspect this is just some dumb liberal whining about "muh red-brown" because a couple of their leaders are annoyed with western LGBTQ+ politics.

 No.495585

>>495583
Not sure that "conservative" and "xenophobic" really translate into "waving Nazi flag, wearing SS insignia" like the Azov militia

 No.495586

So NATO's strategy is to prevent Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Russian strategy is to have the freedom to invade Ukraine if it is about to join NATO

Invasion and war is LE BAD under any circumstance

So All Russia has to do is not invade Ukraine.

 No.495587

>>495581
Does the Russian army have a nazi division?

 No.495588

>>495586
NATO's strategy is to provoke Russia into invading. If they actually cared about poor lil' Ukraine they could offer an agreement with Russia to not expand NATO to Ukraine as Russia has wanted since before the USSR fell, and was informally promised at the time. If Le Putler invaded anyways then they could still defend Ukraine as the security treaty would have been broken.

 No.495589

>>495565
France is suffering coups in their West African neocolonial holdings.
All of the junta arising from them are showing strong pro Russian leanings and one of them (Mali) already has depolyed Wagner soldiers.

Between this Chinese and Us/Canadian influence France's time of grandeur in the area could relatively soon come to an end.

 No.495590

>>495588
How does Russia get out of this problem without invading Ukraine? It seems NATO and America will push the situation to the point where Ukraine is either in NATO or given non NATO alliance like South Korea and they will keep sending them weapons making the osts of invasion higher every year. It seems Russia like North Korea will have to learn to cope with having a militarized American outpost on it's border or go full retard and invade and accomplish what exactly?

 No.495591

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>>495584
>it has peoples republic in its name it has to be communist
>in russia
Absolute state of americans.

 No.495592

>How does Russia get out of this problem without invading Ukraine?
The only way I see it is by ending the war in Donbass and mantaining the existance of the DPR and LPR. Not sure if Ukraine or NATO would accept that if negotiations are to end the war are to ever come, but that's really the only way I see around it. Technically Russia wouldn't even need to recognize them as countries since their mere existance already acts as a buffer but if this outcome does come it will probably recognize them. Maybe Russia would even tolerate Ukraine joining NATO if they can come to an agreement around letting the breakaway republics stay sovereign.

 No.495593

>>495592
Meant to quote >>495590

 No.495594

>>495591
>communist flags in the background
Absolute self-own. I don't really care whether some no-no people are involved with the two republics

 No.495595

>>495592
Well the Minsk agreement stipulates that they are to be eventually re-integrated into Ukraine under special status which Ukraine stubbornly refuses to implement or move towards and instead wants to take them back militarily but them remaining independent is not in the cards according to the agreement.

 No.495596

>>495590
Firstly, Ukraine has publicly stated that Russia has only put enough troops on the border to defend it, not to launch an invasion. Secondly, I think they are seeing what they can get away with, and they have already gathered some small 'concessions,' one being Biden's comment that they won't defend Ukraine from any "minor incursions," another being the statements from Germany that the US can't kick Russia off of the US dollar because of all the gas trading they do with Germany, and more generally Germany prefers no sanctions on Russia. I think France has said something to that effect too. Russia won't come away with offical assurance that Ukraine won't join NATO, but neither is the US going out of its way to defend it; they won't do anything but threaten sanctions. I would guess that both sides now know that Ukraine will forever remain a bargaining chip.

 No.495597

>>495595
>re-integrated into Ukraine under special status
Something like Bosnia with Republika Srpska?

 No.495598

Always a good time to remember that Israel funds the Ukrainian neonazis
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

 No.495599

>>495598
Zionists🤝Nazis One Struggle

 No.495600

>>495597
it mentions gradual integration into Ukraine under temporary self governance.

 No.495601

>>495599
Always was

 No.495602

>>495594
>I don't really care whether some no-no people are involved with the two republics
Based
Like there are some no-no people on the "anarchist" side, that being it's 90% no-no people.

 No.495603

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>>495591
Unity against liberalism.
Same feel in the anti-Yeltsinite uprising of '93.

 No.495604

>>495591
Mm-hm, I smell some Chinese Civil War vibes?

 No.495605

>>495603
Ok I admit its based nazism if its anti-Yeltsin.

 No.495606

>>495605
Is that flag even used by nazis? It's a monarchist banner.

 No.495607

>>712270
It's a monarchist flag, they're not the same thing, retard. Not every right-wing ideology is nazi.

 No.495608

>>495580
Good thread, everybody. See you in… three months, when the next flare up occurs.

 No.495609

I wonder if Based News Anon can keep us updated by posting Ukraine-related news articles here?

 No.495610

https://mate.substack.com/p/the-ukraine-crisis-sponsored-by-us

 No.495611

> The Canadian government will not send small weapons to Ukraine in support of that country’s preparations to deter and potentially defend against the threat of a Russian incursion.


> The government is, though, extending Operation Unifier for an additional three years and boosting both intelligence sharing and support to combat Russian cyber attacks, as well as sending “non-lethal equipment.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/8540045/ukraine-canada-defensive-weapons-russia-standoff/

 No.495612

> A Ukrainian national security official reiterated earlier in the day that the country needed Canada to urgently send it “defensive weapons.”

> Trudeau said Canada is deploying 60 additional Canadian Forces members now to join the roughly 200 others already on the ground as part of Canada’s military training mission, and that he is authorizing the potential for another 200 to be deployed in the future.

> “Things like body armour, optics and scopes, elements like that,” Trudeau said when asked to explain what non-lethal aid Canada plans to provide and why the decision was made not to send weapons.

> He was asked by multiple journalists to provide a clear answer as to why the government has decided not to send weapons to Ukraine. Trudeau repeatedly did not directly answer the questions

 No.495613

>>495612
This is some sort of training exercise for Canadian military. They are not worried about Russian invasion.

 No.495614

>>495610
I really recommend that everyone read this piece, it has a really good account of the context.

>In the New York Times, veteran national security correspondent David E. Sanger allows that it is "possible" that Putin's "bottom line in this conflict is straightforward": obtain a pledge to "stop Ukraine from joining NATO" as well as one that the US and NATO "will never place offensive weapons that threaten Russia’s security in Ukrainian territory."

>On these issues, "there is trading space," Sanger concedes. Given that "Ukraine is so corrupt, and its grasp of democracy is so tenuous… no one expects it to be accepted for NATO membership in the next decade or two." Accordingly, Russia could be offered "some kind of assurance that, for a decade, or maybe a quarter-century, NATO membership for Kyiv was off the table."

>In Sanger's view, the real and "complex" issue is not Ukraine's NATO status, but "how the United States and NATO operate" there – specifically, by flooding the country with weapons. Since 2014, Sanger writes, the US and NATO allies have provided "Ukraine with what the West calls defensive arms, including the capability to take out Russian tanks and aircraft", a "flow that has sped up in recent weeks." Russia – for reasons apparently foreign to Sanger – believes that these "weapons are more offensive than defensive" and "that Washington’s real goal is to put nuclear weapons in Ukraine." An agreement to address these concerns, an unidentified US official concedes, would be "'the easiest part of this,' as long as Russia is willing to pull back its intermediate-range weapons as well."

>Unmentioned by Sanger is that Russia has repeatedly signaled such a willingness, including just last month: Russia's proposed draft treaty with NATO – issued with the stated aim of resolving the Ukraine standoff – proposes that all sides "not deploy land-based intermediate- and short-range missiles" in any area that allows them "to reach the territory of the other Parties." Also unmentioned is that such deployments were previously banned under the INF Treaty, the Cold War-era pact that the Trump administration abandoned in August 2019, to the resounding silence of Democratic lawmakers and allied media outlets more invested in pretending that Trump was a Russian puppet than in addressing his actual Russia policies.

>In a bid to preserve some of the INF Treaty's safeguards, Putin immediately offered a moratorium on the deployment of intermediate-range missiles in Europe – a proposal swiftly rejected by both Trump and NATO. (Trump's response was again duly ignored by Russiagate-crazed media outlets and politicians, for the obvious narrative inconvenience.)

>Much like its refusal so far to re-enter the Iran nuclear deal – another critical security pact torn up by Trump – the Biden administration has thus placed itself in a dangerous geopolitical standoff rather than embrace diplomacy around proposals that US officials either deem as reality anyway (Ukraine not joining NATO) or that they were once party to (the Trump-sabotaged INF treaty).

 No.495615

So it’s all a nothingburger?

 No.495616

>>495615
There are diplomatic/international relations things happening, but no military intervention is going to happen. I'm 99.99% certain. t. guy on the internet

 No.495617

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If Russia doesn't invade that means we won and deterred the aggressor.

 No.495618

>>495617
it will

 No.495619

>>495615
>So it’s all a nothingburger?
No. We'll just sit back and relax. Press the bell button so that you'll know that Russia has attacked

 No.495620

>>495617
The Azov battalion will send it's thanks.

 No.495621

>>495617
You bait, but this is exactly how they’ll spin it

 No.495622

ARCHIVE

 No.495623

> Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi held phone talks with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Thursday. Blinken briefed Wang Yi about US stance on Ukraine. Wang said the solution to the Ukraine question must go back to the new Minsk agreement.

> Wang also said that a country’s security cannot come at the cost of damaging other countries, also, regional security cannot be guaranteed on the basis of expanding a military bloc. Wang urged all sides to cast aside Cold War mentality and solve Russia’s rightful concerns.

> On China-US relations, Wang said the most urgent thing is for the US to stop disrupting Beijing 2022, stop playing with fire on the Taiwan question and stop forming small cliques to contain China.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202201/1248060.shtml

 No.495624

CHINA

 No.495625

>>495554
what are those quote from?


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