Post the best pictures you got.
I like to see what others have and we need a thread to combine all the good materials.
Here I concentrated on the fact that Pol-Cel Nazis can literally not read more then 50 characters of text and are proud of it.
For these idiots everything must be a "meme" or have a "joke". Pol-cels are oblivious to the fact that others are giving them information and knowledge not jokes or memes.
Did anyone else observe this behavior from Pol-Cels ?
These idiots are unable to read children literature let alone anything important.
It looks like daddy Hitler hates people who can read or have attention spans greater then ADHD gold fish.
I never imagine the ability to have a attention span or read more then 50 characters of text will ever be something that I need to argue for. However here we are !
And this is no slander you cab go to /pol/ and engage these idiots yourself.
Of course it is like going to a zoo to look at the stupid animals.
>>496347What has "white people" to do with "nazis"? Nazis were german supremacists, not white supremacists (or rather, not anymore than was common at the time).
Their main goal was to kill as many white people as possible to colonize their land. Google "Generalplan Ost".
Fucking Americans…
>>496328Isn't gigachad actually from an FSU country?
Would be hilarious if it turned out he had communist sympathies. The amount of seethe and cope if converted into electricity would-be enough to solve the climate crisis.
>>496360wtf are those pockets lol
that man must be bourgeois
what could he be fitting in there….
>>496365>wtf I love hitler now?He says so in Mein Kampf he did not want his master race waiting their time on useless knowledge only to listen to propaganda, because he literally did think if you make propaganda that is dank enough you can win every war regardless of what numbers you have.
This explains everything you need to know about Hitlers strategy in WW2.
>>496363This is another level of the insane self contradiction that is the neo-nazi ideology not to be confused with the OG-Nazis.
Most neo-Nazis are not German and they think that Hitler was fighting for the white race.
This is incorrect even a cursory reading of Mein Kampf makes it perfectly obvious that Hitler did think that the German race is something and the French race is a totally different thing and that members of the French race can never be turned truly German.
Also there are materials from the Nazi government itself propaganda posters who call the KKK itself evil and America the evil KKK country.
Most Neo-Nazis are to stupid to realize this even if you tell it to their faces, these are people who struggle to read 4 words after all.
Effectively modern neo-Nazis are stupid idiots who literally think that their 4chan meme pictures are 100% true and represent reality or some deep knowledge transmitted to them and not some bullshit some basement idiot made up.
Either way, they will literally ignore materials produced by Hitler and the Nazi government itself and get their ideology from memes.
>>520723>zoomer rightiods who are into this hitler stuff seem like a bunch of do-nothings.Yep, after having debate with these guys you know they are either severely mentally disabled or did not leave their basement in 10 years. They will not do shit.
You are literally talking to people who have trouble paying attention or reading anything that is more then 5 words long.
They will never do anything they don’t have the patience to even read a basic manual how to operate a gun. Never speaking of them making bombs or learning how to make bombs.
>>496370>larpers I disagree they are not larpers, I actually think that the FBI or a handful of real Nazis memed severely mentally disabled adults into liking Hitler etc. This is what happens if you meme a severely mentally disabled human into an ideology. They actually believe this only they have mental problems and have mentally disorders and mental disability and this is how an ideology manifest filtered thru all their mentally illness.
What the FBI did was basically go to schizophrenics and did keep on telling them that the voices in their heads are real, this is the result.
They actually believe what they say only in their mentally disabled state they see no contradiction between them sitting all day and posting pictures on POL and them needing to do something, once more this is ideology over what are severely mentally disabled people.
They see no problem because
<Something something<MEME MAGIC !<Us posting pictures got Trump elected ! MEME MAGIC !As opposed to these idiots realizing that payed Trump shills from the Trump campaign bombarded their shit website with pro trump garbage.
Maybe families should not give mentally disabled members internet access ? Or Maybe they think getting the defective fucks glued to the computer for 24/7 and not dealing with their outbursts IRL is the best solution.
We are talking people who make Chris Chan look like a genius everyone !
>>496366rotfl
not just that
why are they gasping breath?
the whole video has some grotesque tones
>>496368Well said.
I think its the result of Anglospheric education system. WW2 in europe is being described with this aura of it being war of white nationalists (nazis) vs wholesome antiracists. In reality it was war of german supremacists vs white supremacists+USSR. You could almost say white supremacists united the white race against the german threat to white race.
The phenomenon of white nationalist neonazis, which as you say is hilariously contradictory and antithetic to original nazism, is a weird echo coming from fash revival in white supremacist countries (USA, France, UK).
>>525755https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu4-RRhs9aMit's funny how the /pol/jak gets bandied around endlessly because extremists of different stripes tend to be losers, almost all losers are ugly, and ugly people are generally losers
On the other hand it's kind of a shame that freaks with psychological problems are the face of opposition to the status quo. Makes you think.
>>496401>26It has been responded to many times. Just looking into it you can find responses. Not withstanding that Leuchter is generally considered to be a fraud anyhow.
>28Much of human history relies on oral accounts to varying degrees. Regardless, physical and documentary evidence for the Holocaust makes the event 100% undeniable.
>29Made up argument. Many Jews were entirely aware that their fate in the camps was death. The call to arms for one Jewish partisan org. was "We will not go like sheep to the slaughter"
>>496406The vast majority of these aren't actual answers, the vast jority literally just state that the opponent is making an "argument from authority" and leaves it at that, failing to actually explain how the authority itself in it's claim is flawed. The one time they attempt an explanation, they try to make the unfounded assertion that redoing a study means that the new study is being fabricated, even though it could very well be that the old study really was flawed. They also flat out lie at many point or fail to elaborate on their point, or take clarification and a context as a concession, which is entirely dishonest. For example, in the third one for the six million figure, the person ignores how the 6 million figure largely related to newspapers speaking of the estimated population of Jews in Russian controlled Eastern Europe, which most countries estimated to be around six million. This figure has nothing to do with the Holocaust figure, which came as an approximation from multiple numbers, both from the Nazi themselves and from a calculation of total deaths that could be attributed to them, which came to between 4 million to 7 million. 6 million was the one most just settled on, because it was what the Nazis themselves stated.
>>496374posting this is a great way to torture fascists
well done
>>496328actually i'm still confused as why they tried to portray themselves as "Lezlie"
they do realize that not only obese bulges are actually fallen crotch flaps more-often hiding a micro-dick but also that Lez is a literal drug addict with as much charm as Eric Cartman right?
like yeah i can see how that could appeal to them but like, i mean i'm not even on "their side" and the idea of it it's already demoralizing me lmao
>>496434>he fell for propagandaLook at their policies
Look at their speeches
Look at their books and theories
They are just your average socialists but anti-jew(which most commies were too back in the day)
Naziism came from socialist thought
>>496435They supported capitalism as much as ussr supported capitalism.
Who wasn't a racist back then? Even Marx was Eurocentric and racist.
>>496437>ussr supported capitalism.>Even Marx was Eurocentric and racist.top kek
t. patriots.win
>>496440>>496439>The economic upswing commencing in 1934, as interviews with those who lived at the time reveal, it created a mood of optimism and confidence.>In addition, the period saw a number of social innovations with profound implications for individuals’ happiness. In 1938, for instance, a third of all German workers enjoyed the benefits of the Nazis’ state-subsidized “Strength Through Joy” vacation program—and that at a time when traveling abroad was still considered an exclusive privilege of the wealthy. “It has long been overlooked,” writes Hans-Dieter Schäfer, “that upward social mobility during the Third Reich was by no means solely symbolic.… People were twice as likely to move up in society in the six peace-time years under Hitler as they had been in the final six years of the Weimar Republic. >Nazi state organizations and quasi-private associations absorbed one million people from the working classes.” By 1938, Germany no longer suffered from the mass unemployment of the Depression. In 1939, 200,000 foreign workers had to be brought in to cover a shortage of labor.>it was under Hitler that failure to offer assistance in an emergency became a punishable crime in Germany. Yet that dictate applied only to the Nazi Volk community and could not be extended to people’s refusal to help Jews.Yep they were totally heartless and evil amirite?
>>496438Marx believed in noble savage myth, hated poor uneducated people(he thought only educated middle class will spur the revolution), and believed in a social evolutionary model that marked European societies as more civilized and enlightened.
>>496439>super trad, super conservativeIt was just the norm back then. You're looking at history through modern liberal lens.
USSR was super trad and they criminalized homosexuality and thousands of transgender people were thrown in gulags.
Females were still subjected to traditional gender expectation even if they were allowed in workplaces
>>496444And Alan Turing was forced to be chemically castrated which made him grow breasts.
Never mind that the USSR is not the alpha and omega of AES when it comes to LGBTQ rights and gender roles.
>>496445It was social democrats who completely wiped off communists. There were no leftists left to kill for nazis.
If you think they weren't socialist to some extent you're also against other socialist countries
>>496447Do you support child prostitution? Because that’s what happened in the 90s after the collapse.
The USSR probably should have been more culturally progressive, but I’m not going to cancel them for it, especially with the social progress they did make compared to the Tsar’s time.
>>496444>>496433>>496436>>496448every last "real socialist" that ever was part of the nazi party quite literally died in the night of the long knives
>alsono, "nazism" it's just fascism which came from something along the lines of "imperialism" or whatever people want to call the romans; i'll just call them faggots (which is not even a slur in this case that's just quite literally what they were in both meanings of the word)
despite what retards might tell you Mussolini was not by any means a leftist
HIS FATHER was the leftist one, that's why he was named Benito after Mexican indigenous governor "Benito Juarez"
Mussolini political trajectory was quite literally a huge projection of his daddy issues by betraying everything his father ever stood up for, his biggest achievement might have been killing bordiga by *checks notes* "feeding him all the lasagna he can eat"
and trying too hard to be anything but a coward who challenged to sword fights: journalists, and literal old people
sending literal armies of 20,000 fascists just to get btfo'd by 350 anarchists
and then hiding like a fucking coward just to get found out and hung like a piñata while he squirms and yells that the people betrayed him.
>>496449No, do you support being a fucking loser?
because that's what the nazis were.
>>496465The point isn't that birds and humans are one and the same, dumb fuck.
It's just that we recognize different the formation and existence of various subspecies in animals but we refuse to do the same with humans when different races clearly look and behave differently.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_AgreementWhy did the Nazis build Israel anons?
Why did Mussolini train the first ever Israeli Navy?
Why was the first ever Israeli prime minister a fascist?
Why the the Thule society founded by a Freemason inducted into the Freemasons by a Jewish silk and Banking Merchant??? Big confuse
Y they all pedophiles?
>>554869Here's a list of some British neo-nazi nonces, but I'd like to see updated version with all the US/UK/Europe creeps, since there's so many of them in Atomwaffen, National Action, Nordic Resistance Movement, Sonnenkrieg and other Iron March weirdos.
Martyn Gilleard, local leader of the National Socialist British People’s Party, prepared for bombing. 39,000 child pornography images were in his possession:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/7469180.stmTwo members of the far-right British National Party drank 14-year-old girls to death and sexually abused:
https://theukdatabase.com/2012/05/08/ian-hindleandrew-wells-blackburn/A 40-year-old fascist addict brutally beat his 16-year-old girlfriend:
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/14249499._Controlling__Blackburn_drug_addict_repeatedly_punched_and_kicked_teen_girlfriend_as_she_lay_on_onA 13-year-old girl was sexually abused by a racist fanatic and held illegal images of her:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/race-hate-thug-who-chanted-7916756The National Socialist 43-year-old BNP member found 17,058 child porn images and 215 videos. He himself had also filmed child pornography and told his pedophile friends online that he wanted to murder the little boy and videotape it:
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/walker-nazi-worshipper-exposed-paedophile-140607947-year-old member of the Nazi organization Blood & Honor convicted of shocking violent rape:
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2016/02/17/darlington-s-nazi-rapist-jailed-for-nine-years-for/Ryan Fleming, a member of the National Socialist National Action, tortured and sexually abused a teenage boy:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/national-action-launch-paedophile-hunting-investigative-journalism-series-even-though-one-of -its-members-is-a-sex-offender_uk_5756cfc7e4b0411d4de1fe4c
The same white nationalist Rayan Fleming was also convicted of sexually abusing a 14-year-old girl:
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15441403._Boastful_and_arrogantman_jailed_for_sex_with_girl14__he_met_on_Facebook/A 43-year-old far-right White Man March supporter raped two children at least 13 times:
https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/horrific-abuser-who-raped-vulnerable-children-after-buying-them-sweets-jailed -for-20-years-1-7582633
A 60-year-old BNP and EDL activist murdered a 15-year-old girl who was sexually obsessed in his apartment: online:
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/paige-murderer-jailed-for- more-than-three-decades-1-7381160
A far-right EDL activist couple exploited a 7-year-old child, photographed child pornography and distributed it online:
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/heysham-woman-accused-of-using-seven-year-old -girl-for-worldwide-pornography-1-7364866
The same couple has also fledged a 13-year-old girl to her apartment where the man had sexually abused this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lancashire/8572755.stmA far-rightist who was previously convicted of a mosque attack and appeared as a "pedophile hunter" was revealed to be a pedophile himself who tried to lure a child into sex:
https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/crime-court/romford-paedophile-squad-jailed-for-grindr- blackmail-1-4156153
The far-right nationalist repeatedly raped a 12-year-old girl:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/jailed-army-cadet-sergeant-groomed-9400037An EDL active sexually assaulted a 13-year-old boy, and lured teenage boys into sexual activity via the Internet:
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/kane-hutchison-gateshead-sex-offender- 8937114
A member of EDL and Britain First, convicted of attempting a bomb attack on a mosque, was in possession of child pornography:
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2015/01/07/britain-first-officer-on-sex- offenders-register /
A member of the far-right North West Alliance was convicted of several rapes and child sex offenses:
http://www.deeside.com/shotton-man-mervyn-jones-sentanced-17-years-jail-sex-offences-four-children/EDL member raped 14-year-old:
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11278914.Man_charged_with_rape_of_Blackburn_schoolgirlAn EDL member convicted of armed robbery kidnapped a 10-year-old child and tried to rape this:
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10740053.Armed_robber_and_child_kidnapper_could_be_on_the_run_in_Sussex/A member of the nationalist North West Infidels, he admits to being a child abuser. Received convictions for several sex offenses:
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8030864.Child_molester_jailed_after_girl_relives_horror/Matthew Woodward, an EDL member, found child porn images and videos of 10-year-olds:
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2012/05/20/why-did-the-edl-not-protest-this- paedophile-case
An EDL activist working with children sent sexual text messages to a 14-year-old:
https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/15935498.Connah_s_Quay_project_worker_sent_sexual_texts_to_teenagerThe EDL man prepared for the 13-year-old to be abused online and eventually raped him:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/facebook-pervert-stephen-payne-walks-1736961Richard Price, a founding member and former director of EDL, was in possession of child pornography. Tommy Robinson, considered a far-right martyr of freedom, defended pedophile Richard:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/176587/Paedo-rap-for-EDL-leaderBNP racist activist convicted of child pornography images and videos:
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/8771457.display/BNP member found child pornography in a home search:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/meliden-killers-dad-child-porn-2053471The same BNP fascist, Ian Siree, previously raped a 14-year-old and harassed a 12-year-old:
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8043021.Karate_instructor_on_sex_charge/The racist, who was also a candidate for election to the BNP, was part of a child pornography network where he distributed material about boys under the age of 13:
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2012/07/18/bnp-hypocrisy-over-paedophile/Another racist who was a candidate for the BNP election, Roderick Rowley, was also convicted of possession and distribution of child pornography:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/10-things-you-should-know-about-the- bnp-when-you-watch-question-time-Tonight-1806874.html
>>496514Neoliberalism exists since 40 years and during that time they didn't declare a world war or enslave a fourth of the population.
But Nazis probably hold the record for killing the most white people in the less time possible so I guess they're not all bad
>>496522I'd bread with this lil uygha
you ever have fresh bread with some butter?
>>496528"The 1922 parma barricade"
i can believe it because the Arditi del popolo were trained by actual WW1 veterans as mussolini troops were beyond fucking useless
>>496541Love to do accelerationism in the heart of western degeneracy… Finland and New Zealand.
Terrorists annoy me so fucking much. Everything about them is lazy. I bet these guys would have killed some literal who Finnish backwater liberal politician or shot up a fucking kebab shop after spending months stockpiling weapons and recruits rather than doing something totally bombastic almost anywhere in Europe with their one (1) attempt in their whole lives.
>>496575they want a daddy to decide everything for them and are completely unable to decide things for themselves
>>496576if you think trans hitler is great, just wait until you hear about the Heydrich/Himmler fanart
>>496579>obsess over transhumanist's way more than any other communitythat's because they're closeted transes and/or deeply insecure about their masculinity
>>496581seethe
>>659416
>The USSR (russia in general) like the US barely fought against an equal oponent
WW2
>Sino-Soviet conflict
China and the Soviet Union broke up a little but they never really went to war against each other
>Afghan war
The Soviets did a little better than the Americans
>the reason why Leand-Lease was necesary is becouse stalin´s economical and production system was pretty much an economical bubble of cheap/low quality products
Lend lease was helpful and a nice gesture but ultimately inconsequential, considering the unbelievably massive soviet industrial output had produced 180.000 tanks by the end of ww2. Socialist economies like the Soviet Union did not have economic bubbles, that would require having a stock-market. The Soviet Union didn't really have anything of that nature.
>the production methods couldn´t stand an industrial-tier war and led to heavy casualities and the only way they could resist the invasion after most of Eastern europe except from poland joined the nazis was due a massive population.
No that turned out to be a lie that Nazi generals made up after the war, trying to safe face after the crushing defeat. The Soviet Union did have much greater industrial capacity then the Nazis and could outproduce them in heavy weapons and ammunition, but not manpower. The "communist hoards" are just a ideological and propagandistic image that is being conjured up.
> by the end of the war lots of soldiers in the red army where women
Yes the Soviet military had a lot more women than their contemporaries, but that was so from the start, and because they were a more equal society.
>some elderly or minors
the only faction in WW2 that actually conscripted old people and children were the Nazis by the very end of it.
>the only reasson why russians took over Berlin was becouse Eisenhower allowed it to avoid political tensions
The Soviet military that was occupying Germany was 6 times larger than the US, French and UK forces combined. The war ended because they were allies, and everybody involved in the fighting on the ground had enough of it, there wasn't a single commander that could have ordered anybody to continue fighting.
>the soviet system should not be seen as a paradise or utopia but rather as an object of study to avoid its mistakes
sure but if you want to study something you have to study the actual thing, not a propaganda distortion
Thought I might as well post this here.
https://www.nytimes.com/1977/02/15/archives/nazi-admirer-also-wounds-5-in-wild-attack-followed-by-a-siege-at.html<Nazi Admirer Also Wounds 5 in Wild Attack Followed by a Siege at Moving ConpanyThis was in 1977, it's always been a thing.
>>496630Quit trolling, fam, he had no taino ancestry. And castro looked pretty white.
Did you really lose the plot so bad that you have to fixate on THIS?
>>496639>I fought a man of every race Look out, we have a badass, over here!
1)I don’t believe you
2) Even id this were true, it sounds to me like this is a you problem
3) Literally communism was implementrd in multiracial, multiethnic societies, where whites comprised a substantial chunk, if not the majority of them. You’re simply wrong
I FOUND THE NAZI TWITTER
https://poa.st/we need to raid this place ASAP
Use rambler as an email it doesn't require phone number
more info: >>669398
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>>496590>1st picdamn shawty
>>496590 (me)
>>496650>damn shawtythere's lots of delicious accounts of liberation reprisals floating around
>vid relatedSAVEDnice little tribute to Sir Arthur "The Dresden Decimator" Harris at the end too. time to post the list of nicknames:
Sir Arthur "Aerial cremation for the Aryan nation" Harris
Sir Arthur "Doing the rounds with my four thousand pounds" Harris
Sir Arthur "Anne Frank gets the gas, Frankfurt gets the blast" Harris
Sir Arthur "Airborne Auschwitz" Harris
Sir Arthur "Holocaust? LOL gonna cost you" Harris
Sir Arthur "Fire for the Fuhrer" Harris
Sir Arthur "Great British Bake Off" Harris
Sir Arthur "Blitz the Fritz" Harris
Sir Arthur "Sauerkraut sizzler" Harris
Sir Arthur "Nazi tears grease my gears" Harris
Sir Arthur "100.000 tonnes and I'll it get DresDONE" Harris
Sir Arthur "Incendiaries on the Jerries" Harris
Sir Arthur "Berlin's skies will be set alight" Harris
Sir Arthur "Got shelter? Here comes the smelter" Harris
Sir Arthur "Bringing drought to the Kraut" Harris
Sir Arthur "German? Burn em!" Harris
Sir Arthur "When the sirens sound, drop the 14000 pounds" Harris
Sir Arthur "Need Lebensraum? Here's 14000 pounds" Harris
Sir Arthur "The Wehrmacht can't retire if their homes are on fire" Harris
Sir Arthur "Speak Fritz get hits" Harris
Sir Arthur "Firestorm is the norm" Harris
Sir Arthur "Ignite the Reich with thermite" Harris
Sir Arthur "Drop the Tallboys on German schoolboys" Harris
Sir Arthur "Denazification requires a conflagration" Harris
Sir Arthur "Unburnt German city? What a pity!" Harris
Sir Arthur "Historic Site? Set It Alight" Harris
Sir Arthur "Fire up the Lancasters" Harris
Sir Arthur "Jews got the chains? Germany gets the flames" Harris
Sir Arthur "German? You mean burnin'" Harris
Sir Arthur "Brit RAF, Dresden Lit AF" Harris
Sir Arthur "Bankrupting fire insurance since 1945" Harris
Sir Arthur "Holocaust Mk 2: Lancaster Boogaloo"
Sir Arthur "Send the Hun to the sun" Harris
Sir Arthur "Sherman's protégé" Harris
Sir Arthur "Can't retreat if I burn your street" Harris
>>496335Nice projection. Yeah, there's plenty of sub-par ppl in "The Movement". But wasn't it here on LP where people tried to lead in evidence that you doesn't need physical strength in a street fight?
Yes, it was.
>>496336>Replace race with class and you have average leftypol user.Only that the smashies has mostly smashed. But nazis have actually killed ppl.
>>496633>right winger wear an ascot? i am not so sureEver heard about "nipsters"?
>>496347>The difference however is very clear. We discriminate because we have been treted unjustly by the rulers. White people? They discriminate other Homo sapiensfor the sake of supremacy even though they are just your casual Homo sapiensVery well put. HOWEVER! Leftists have often no natural defense against antisemitism. What do I mean with a natural defense? It is not something you're born with. It is not something failsafe. It's an aqcuired habit that will never be stronger than your last defense. Consider a mountain range. It could be said that a mountain range is a natural border between two countries. But even a mountain range as a natural defence requires vigilance and maintenance.
The early labor movement did have a complicated relation to jews. You could say it even began with Marx. Yes, in theory you should be able to keep the images of jews in general apart from specific jewish shopkeepers. But in practice it isn't that simple. Consider antijudaism (jews should convert) and antisemitism (jews are essentially different and should therefore at least be put in ghettos). But in practice, antijudaism and antisemitism have inforced each other.
Enter Israel. A country that most people in the west didn't really care much about until after the 6-days war in 1967. One funny sidenote is that Hanna Arendt and Noam Chomsky was two american jews that had a connection to Israel *before* that war. Because then, it was considered an oddball socialist country with sand. Especially sand. Better to crash at some aunt's sofa in Brooklyn and build a new life there.
And what happened in the 60s too? Decolonialization. That in a lot of cases turned out to be total shitshows. For instance the Zanzibar genocide in 1964. Better to focus on a state populated by people that looks mostly like us and is mostly like us. All under the Russian/Han-chinese canard of "anti-imperialism".
>>496342<crossdressing nazis.jpgHere!
>>496351>What has "white people" to do with "nazis"? Nazis were german supremacists, not white supremacists (or rather, not anymore than was common at the time).>Their main goal was to kill as many white people as possible to colonize their land. Google "Generalplan Ost".>Fucking Americans…This!
>>496551>The american lend-lease. Most of the equipment was useless, outdated, late and inferior to then modern Soviet equipment. The Soviets were buying this useless equipment with Gold and resources of their own, it wasn't free.The most important equipment was trucks and radios. The radios was omitted in this infograph, but still:
>>496544>>496553>Leftypol mods finally grows a spineCool!
>>496590Someone was able to write really beautiful. Cool!
>>496574<trans hitler.pngLet's assume - hypothetically - that someone used that image to "promote" some local nazi group. Would that - hypothetical - sticker be considered transphobic?
Or should that someone stick to actual photos of nazis in drag?
>>496580>Oh, absolutely. The whole "trans woman hanging herself" gif that they spam on here, the obsession with aesthetics more generally, their conviction that aesthetics is some kind of epistemological skeleton key: it's all just giving away the game that they're no different than the soy consoomers they hate, they want to crawl into a bubble where nothing that might chafe against their fragile feelings or preferences will ever reach them. Their white trad ethnostate is just a way for them to crawl back into mommy's womb. it's legit pathetic>aesthetics is some kind of epistemological skeleton keyDoes that mean that monitoring language is counter-producitve? :-/
>>496659>Jews in chains? Germany in flamesthanks, that works much better. updated my collection
>>496665>egoist gf>milk shophot
>>496671hitler openly states in Mein Kampf that he wants to do what the US did and make the Volga river his Missisipi with the lebrestraun, generalplan ost was just to do that.
>>496672>segregation is when you demark land so a ethinic group can live there but don't stop them from acessing the same rights as the other ethinic groups if they live in other states, like they are treated the same way by the law.you never studied the apartheid in the US, South africa or Israel, right ?
>>496671>Wasn't that a hoax with no paperwork backing it up? Not to mention they let slavs in the waffen SSLater on, and due to a mix of desperate pragmatism and completely retarded esoteric reasons involving the idea that there existed "Aryan souls" that could be trapped in non-aryan bodies, and that these souls would return to join with the closest Aryan soul once the body died. Also, the Nazis kept schizophrenically changing who and who wasn't a Slav/Aryan during their time in Yugoslavia. There are also records responding in regards to Generalplan Ost.
>>496674>In the purest form in the word it just means living separately, but under the same state. >In the purest form of the wordFuck off fag, the implication is obvious.
>They can have the same rights, That's like saying Slaves have the same "rights". Yes, "technically" that's correct, but they are denied something crucial.
>but live apart by discouraging interacial relationships and other thingsAnd how do you enforce this when you have people who don't care retard?
>>496672>creating autonomous ethnic republics is the same as "segregation". 1. Even if this was the case in places such as the USSR, this is hardly the case in places such as Cuba, EZLN Chiapas and Vietnam.
2. Segregation implies that people cannot live in these ethnic republics. This is not true especially when you consider that the Volga socialist republic which mainly consisted of Germans had 20 percent of their population being Russian.
3. These groups had the same rights as the citizens for whom these autonomics were established. If you want to talk about the forced ethnic deportation that these groups faced, then you'd have a point. But these republics were hardly "segregated communities", and were born out of the fact that the Russian empire had treated these people like shit. They were finally granted a republic which, theoretically, could allow them greater autonomy.
>>496687You're assuming I don't know you're larping, but I do.
The shit barometer has reached the shit line, anon.
It's impossible for any shit hawk like me with a finely tuned shit senses to miss it.
>>496691>>496689I don't think it's literally impossible, I merely think you're pretending to be a caricature of a /pol/yp
here's another (you)
(remove (you)s) >>496694you do know literally everyone is related once you go back 500 years or so, right? every person that lived back then is either the ancestor of every human that currently lives, or none
you have to be a special kind of retarded to think ancestry stretches back fucking five thousand years
>>496680>Voluntary segregation as in the authorities wouldn't stop people from segregating.The authorities already don't stop this, but you just can't do it by violence, intimidation, or compulsion, and you can't stop anyone from entering said community if they wish.
>If some racial minority community decided that they don't want miscegenation in their community then the state would let them do shit their way. And how would they stop "miscegenation" without in some way breaking an already set law regarding the the "rights" provided to everyone regarding safety and guarantees in regards to their freedoms? The state has to have laws enforcing such, and that very well can't be considered "voluntary". Can't even considered "voluntary" if it's just the community doing it.
>Because if they didn't then the various minorities would've formed an army that would've cut through the red army, made them die screaming like cock sucking bitches all the way to Moscow then they would've dragged Lenin out of his palace kicking and screaming so they could cut his femur out and beat him to death with it.Never happened you faggot. Again, "voluntary segregation" was never a thing in the USSR, and there was little to no issue with different ethnic groups having sexual relations with each other. I mean for fucks sake, do you know how many notable Soviets were of mixed ethnicity? All of your rant is just a fantasy that exists purely to cope with the reality that actually existed.
>>496703>Indians amd hispanics also have “yamnaya” A miniscule ammout. That's like saying Elizabeth Warren is native American.
>slabs share more DNA with Indians than Germans and other EuropeansI would ask for a scientific source, but I know you can't provide one.
some chucklefuck is debating some /pol/yps on the sharty, fucking stop
https://soyjak party/r9k//res/6263.html
>>676660
All of this can be answered if you read chapter 2 of capital volume 1.
>although our weaver's labour may be a recognised branch of the social division of labour, yet that fact is by no means sufficient to guarantee the utility of his 20 yards of linen. If the community's want of linen, and such a want has a limit like every other want, should already be saturated by the products of rival weavers, our friend's product is superfluous, redundant, and consequently useless. Although people do not look a gift-horse in the mouth, our friend does not frequent the market for the purpose of making presents. But suppose his product turn out a real use-value, and thereby attracts money? The question arises, how much will it attract? No doubt the answer is already anticipated in the price of the article, in the exponent of the magnitude of its value. We leave out of consideration here any accidental miscalculation of value by our friend, a mistake that is soon rectified in the market. We suppose him to have spent on his product only that amount of labour-time that is on an average socially necessary. The price then, is merely the money-name of the quantity of social labour realised in his commodity. But without the leave, and behind the back, of our weaver, the old fashioned mode of weaving undergoes a change. The labour-time that yesterday was without doubt socially necessary to the production of a yard of linen, ceases to be so to-day, a fact which the owner of the money is only too eager to prove from the prices quoted by our friend's competitors. Unluckily for him, weavers are not few and far between. Lastly, suppose that every piece of linen in the market contains no more labour-time than is socially necessary. In spite of this, all these pieces taken as a whole, may have had superfluous labour-time spent upon them. If the market cannot stomach the whole quantity at the normal price of 2 shillings a yard, this proves that too great a portion of the total labour of the community has been expended in the form of weaving. The effect is the same as if each individual weaver had expended more labour-time upon his particular product than is socially necessary. Here we may say, with the German proverb: caught together, hung together. All the linen in the market counts but as one article of commerce, of which each piece is only an aliquot part. And as a matter of fact, the value also of each single yard is but the materialised form of the same definite and socially fixed quantity of homogeneous human labour.
And he doesn’t make profits based on the price of the commodity as demonstrated by picrels. Ir’a rather making the proletariat earn more than necessaru for the maintenance of the MoP and their own well being, parasitically subsidizing the bourgeois’s subsistence as well. You would know this if you actually read the most basic works of Marx.
>>496713> You're just angry that the world has moved past your ideals of race and your preconceived notions of "orderOnly dumb left wing white people did that. Everyone else is still loyal to their race.
>Not consensual relationships between people of different ethnic groupsConsensual interracial sex is statistically rare. Historically speaking, interracial sex almost always occurred in the form of war rape and sex slavery. The Idea that men from Somalia or Pakistan would be cool with their daughters having sex with white guy is hilarious and delusional.
(Ban evasion) >>496738This graph doesn't prove "racial solidarity", it just arbitrarily breaks up people based on the US conception of "race" and ignores things such as culture and language. If anything, language statistically seems to be a bigger determiner for "preference" then anything else. Also, graphs without the source of who made them should be questioned.
>Consensual interracial sex is statistically rare. Dude, I'm literally a product of it. And you're moving the goalposts, because the argument was in regards to people taking issue with it.
>Historically speaking, interracial sex almost always occurred in the form of war rape and sex slavery. The Idea that men from Somalia or Pakistan would be cool with their daughters having sex with white guy is hilarious and delusionalThat's isn't proof or even an argument, it's just a vauge unfounded assertion. I can very well respond with the fact that most "mixed" relationships I know that has family overseas has that family being very accepting of it.
>>496743>hat's isn't proof or even an argument, it's just a vauge unfounded assertion.No. In the west less tha 10
5 of couples are mixed race, and it's usually the native race with minority women. "It's okay to fuck their women, but we don't want them fucking our women"
>Dude, I'm literally a product of it.What mixture and which country?
>>496742>Farms that feed enemy combatants are military targets. What enemy combatants, and where is the proof of feeding them? All the Nazis had was an alleged report that a single SS officer had been held by resistance members that were never found, and in response they executed woman and children.
>More so than some random frozen village. On the border of the war. It's not some random village, and the story in regards to the executions makes absolutely no sense for the partisans.
>A lot of the villages attacked in Finland had no soldiers in themThat's just a lie. Most of the targets were literally on the border during the war, meaning where soldiers would be deployed near to be supplied, and there is still no proof that the partisans went out of their way to execute them. The only proof is two books from 2008 that still only has the conclusion largely being that of some individual acts.
>>496739I found the methodology.
Need to log in to get data though.
>>496745>No. In the west less tha 10 5 of couples are mixed race, and it's usually the native race with minority women.No, I meant the whole "Somalia and Pakistan" thing. I never doubted that there were less mixed marriages, that's just a reality regardless due to geographic population demographics.
>"It's okay to fuck their women, but we don't want them fucking our women"Not a thing.
>What mixture and which country?If I told you, you'd likely just try to ad hoc rationalize it to suit what you want.
>>496682>Different white ethnicityDidn't stop the Nazis (german) from genociding Slavic people, or the USSR deporting the Volga germans.
But as for the Volga Germans getting on with Russians "cuz muh white genes" the Volga socialist republic also had other ethnic groups which your /pol/yp infested brain wouldn't consider to be "white".
>>678407>"Nazis were the REAL Degenerates"That's true though. They embraced the tackiest bric-a-brac and thought this tap-dancing rubbish was healthy "Aryan" art in 1944 when Army Group Centre was being destroyed on the Eastern Front.
>Therefore, we cannot be surprised by the fact that Rosenberg, almost like the liberal-bourgeois writers against whom he fiercely fights on other occasions, sees the essence of German art in a feeling of loneliness. He writes: “The feeling of loneliness and infinity is undoubtedly also a sign of the Western spirit.” From this he comes to an extremely enthusiastic assessment of Dostoyevsky’s types. But amid this ecstasy, he suddenly discovers that these heroes and their actions do not at all correspond to the “racial” Nordic Germanic ideal, by no means are they the embodiment of the ideal of “honor and loyalty.” He saves himself from this contradiction by throwing himself into theory, into “art for art’s sake” without looking back. So, he summarizes his thoughts about Dostoyevsky as follows: “Aliosha, Dimitri or Ivan Karamasov do not interest me so much as the strength which motivated each of them through the organic creation, visible through human creative nature which makes its way into our heart. If I am to regard these figures as a life ideal, then it is a completely different matter.”
>This confession of Rosenberg vividly exposes all the falsity of his “aesthetics.” First, it turns out that his entire so-called struggle against the “bourgeois decadence” of the literature of big cities is only a demagogic phrase, since he himself, with all his aesthetics, is mired head over heels in the same decadence and is its typical representative. Rosenberg’s “struggle” against “bourgeois decadence” is a “model” of fascist “anti-capitalist” phraseology. This phraseology is essentially a defense of decaying monopoly capitalism with the help of a masquerade of “criticism” of culture. Secondly, this recognition exposes the value of Rosenberg’s “aesthetic will”: as soon as Rosenberg turns to any particular phenomenon from the world of art, he is forced to resort to the same reactionary and very vulgar concept of art for art’s sake, to which he first declares the most “decisive” war. Third, this collection of superficially glued contradictory statements is the inevitable ideological costume of fascist ideology: “German realism,” The “German honor and loyalty” of the warriors in the future imperialist slaughter flourishes best in this mystical fog impenetrable by thought. “Heroic realism” in the literary field is primarily a phrase that obscures the consciousness of the masses through the propaganda of blind obedience and readiness to become a victim of a new bloody imperialist massacre, which is being prepared by German fascism.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/1934/alfred-rosenberg.htm >>496772>>496773Holy based batman!
I came across that cover skimming through the pages of
Invisible Men, The Trailblazing Black Artists of Comic Books, it was drawn by Elmer Cecil Stoner, who's featured on the book and apparently The Challenger was an attempt to feature minority characters in a positive light.
This is all so good.
>>496368>Most neo-Nazis are not German and they think that Hitler was fighting for the white race. >This is incorrect even a cursory reading of Mein Kampf makes it perfectly obvious that Hitler did think that the German race is something and the French race is a totally different thing and that members of the French race can never be turned truly German. Yes, the Nazis did had a different race ideology than Americans. However Hitler probably copied the "one drop rule" for "race purity" from the US, at least it shows up earlier in US based ""race theory literature""
>>496813>Germans viewed Europeans as mostly aryan and distinguished between what are effectively whites and other racesThat's false you are doing a projection of contemporary American race-politics onto 20th century historical Europe. The Nazis thought that Europe had at least a dozen different "races" they had excruciatingly detailed bullshit that was aping anthropology. I had the unfortunate idea of researching that topic and reading that crap almost made me die of cringe. It's at least as toxic and misanthropic as the identity politics of today.
The white race identity originates in the US, that replaced the old race identities from Europe. Races are a bunch of bullshit that is made up for "political expediency" by ruling classes, and in the US where slavery needed "political expediency" it made more sense to foist white and black race identities on people than keeping the race identities that were tied to European power structures . It's a terrible mind rape for sure but it is markedly different.
Some versions of inter-sectional identity politics have a concept of "aryan privilege", so the strange thing that happened is that parts of the bourgoise left wing of neoliberalism have recycled some of those old categories. I don't know if that is anti-Semitic, but it's very strange how the political memetic metamorphoses and switches sides in the bourgeois political spectacle. On the left there is basically zero differentiation between Aryan and Jew until about the 1970s. On the classical left political spectrum that doesn't include neo-liberals, Aryans don't exist at all, and the Jewish identity isn't relevant for anything other than talking about the historical persecution of Jews before and during WW2.
If this has peaked your interest, i strongly want to discourage you from reading up on old racist theories, they are terrible mind viruses, that will fuck with your head in ways you are not prepared for. Despite going into this with a detached scientific mindset of analyzing hostile ideological content. I had to de-condition my self from noticing the shape of noses, skulls and all kinds of other bullshit from a century old defunct pseudo science. It's like having a catchy song stuck in your head except it's extremely racist and anti scientific. Depending on your mental constitution, you might end up with mild schizophrenia.
>>496816>Yes, the Nazis did had a different race ideology than Americans. However Hitler probably copied the "one drop rule" for "race purity" from the USClose, but not quite. They were greatly inspired by the US's racial policies, but even they thought the one drop rule was too much and implemented something more lenient lmao
Also I'm pretty sure you just replied to a chinlet that probably can't read past the first paragraph but good post anyway.
>>496816The Nazis really seemed like they boiled off the fluffy pillow that was wrapped around Victorian-age ideology for its toxic core with concepts such as Social Darwinism and imperial apologia and then ramped up the anti-Semitism and anti-communism. I also know what you're talking about having lurked on far-right websites like /pol/ and it seemed insane to me how people talked about "races" and being hyper focused on facial features. You have to be immersed in that environment and have it reinforced all the time. But reading that feels like being in a scene from Bacurau when the white Brazilians are not quite white enough for the white Americans who execute them. Or insane Nazi mad scientist shit is not far from the truth, or fictional depictions might understate the degree to which these guys were goddamned lunatics.
If anyone is interested in reading actual Nazi propaganda from the 1930s and how they thought about, this is a good archive:
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/ww2era.htmCheck under "II. Racial and Anti-Semitic Material." This is one lovely excerpt from a booklet for Hitler Youth:
>The foundation of the National Socialist worldview is the knowledge of human inequality. No one will likely disagree with this as long as we stick to physical appearance. It is obvious that the “red skins,” the “yellow people,” the Negroes, and the whites are very different. And all whites are not the same. The careful observer can find differences in physical size and shape. The color of the eyes, hair, and skin also varies greatly.[…]
>The past era either entirely ignored human inequality or else acted contrary to its better knowledge. During the colonization of Paraguay in the nineteen century, for example, the Jesuits permitted white settlers to marry native Indian women. Perhaps they thought that the native population would thus be raised to the level of the whites. But these mixed marriages produced unhappy bastards who were neither white nor native. In most cases, they inherited the bad characteristics of both groups, lacking spiritual stability. In our time, too, certain people occasionally lacked a feeling for racial honor or racial defilement. The numerous bastards resulting from relations with the black occupation forces in the Rhine region, or those that came from relations between Jews and Germans, are tragic examples. Even the highest government offices of the System era [the Nazi term for the Weimar Republic] intentionally ignored racial knowledge. For example, they prohibited the well-known racial scholar Ludwig Schemann from studying the nature of the races and withdrew support for his research.
>Even today, National Socialism’s racial thinking has implacable opponents. Freemasonry, Marxism, and the Christian churches make common cause in this matter. World Freemasonry conceals its Jewish plans of world domination behind slogans of “humanity.” The Jew and the Turk can achieve its degrees just as well as the Christian. Marxism has the same goals as Freemasonry. To conceal its true aims, it used the slogan of “Equality, Freedom, and Brotherhood.” Under Jewish leadership, Marxism wants to unite everything “that has a human face.”>>496818IMO Marxism is not a science because human beings aren't test subjects, while Nazi race science has more in common with attempting to apply (poorly understood) natural laws to human beings. The experimentation of political theory is actually very limited and usually serves as a justification of the present state of things, which is why the majority of intellectuals from every country will justify and rationalize the political ideology and structure in their countries. On the other hand, Marxism isn't philosophy because philosophy is by definition metaphysical, regarding spirit, moral principles, the clear boundary between good and evil, justice and injustice.
So, Marxism is actually a unity between science and philosophy. Marxism embraces the idea of experimentation from science but also realizes the limitation of it in social science such that Marxism also brings in philosophical guidance but doesn't waste time debating the metaphysical concepts.
>>496818Oh christ, not this guy again
>Says that black men will murder white men who date their women<We ask him for proof and laugh at him>Talks about his totally real sexual conquests of brown women and how all the brown men seethed <We tell him that nothing of consequence has happened to him and laugh at him The truth is, that you’re projecting your own distaste of black men fucking white women and yet are such a cuck that you can’t possibly come out and say that “I can’t stop white women from fucking black men.” Instead you whine about how THEY won’t let you fuck your women, like a little bitch.
Anons, what was it that Lacan said about the cheating wife and the husband’s pathology?
>>496831drilling for what
also why do i get the feeling these goobers will never realize discipline and would fall apart at the slightest antagonism
>>496844When the chips are down, yes they are.
You know who ALL of them will side with when it counts.
>>496846>>496845Everyone gets "against the wall" or "down the pit" with socialist countries.
>>496848>>496850Not the majority of the conservative non-whites.
>>496854>Everyone gets "against the wall" or "down the pit" with socialist countries.correction, everyone that call themselves liberals, fascist, coservatist or pro US.
Also
>Not the majority of the conservative non-whites.you seen to think non-white rightoids aren't reactionary, and somehow would not join the fascists first chance they had, like the arab voluntary batalions they had in ww2.
>>496855>>Gommunism killed 100 gorillion people If it's wrong then debunk this:
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>>496856The non-white fascists have their own sides and their own countries, they're not on the side of the white nazis and don't benefit from white supremacy. /pol/ is a non-white retard.
>>496857>Gish gallop of liberal publications bankrolled by a system whose primary interest is to discredit communismWeak. My time is valuable, so I won’t go into each and every one of these, but what’s important is the methodologies and sources used to provide their numbers. Most importantly, a similar application of the aforementioned would give a death toll for capitalism that’s astronomically higher
>Non-White CountriesAnd they have their own rabidly Nationalist/Ultracapitalist/Anticommunist factions like the dindutvas. More similarities between them and the Nazis than not
>>496857and yet, for all of the alarmism against the ebill commies killing 100 million, liberalism and their variations are responsible for the death of 1.8 billions just in india.
https://mronline.org/2019/01/15/britain-robbed-india-of-45-trillion-thence-1-8-billion-indians-died-from-deprivation/this means we just have 6% of your bodycount.
>>496859>My time is valuable, so I won’t go into each and every one of these, but what’s important is the methodologies and sources used to provide their numbers.Okay, but it's not just the black book of communism that talks about mass killings under socialism.
>Most importantly, a similar application of the aforementioned would give a death toll for capitalism that’s astronomically higherI never said capitalism was a better system or that it didn't have a death toll, but socialist countries clearly aren't innocent either.
>And they have their own rabidly Nationalist/Ultracapitalist/Anticommunist factions like the dindutvas. So does many places, Nationalism/capitalism/anti-communism is still not National socialism. My point stands, not everyone in the right wing is a nazi.
>>496861I never said liberalism is a better system either.
>>496862>Communists aren’t innocent No one claimed they were. Of the unavoidable losses, of which there were many, it was the product of unavoidable circumstances, ranging from war to drought, and of the “deliberate ones”, most people were in on it and getting back at their former oppressors.
> Nationalism/capitalism/anti-communism is still not National socialismYou’re telling me that national “socialism” isn’t national socialism?
> I never said liberalism is a better system eitherLemme guess, “conservatives” aren’t the right wing of liberals with more in common than not
>>496863>You’re telling me that national “socialism” isn’t national socialism?Define what "national 'socialism' " is?
>Lemme guess, “conservatives” aren’t the right wing of liberals with more in common than notCommunists see conservatives as liberal economically but they're clearly different points of view that just happens to be under capitalism, there are socially conservative socialists in politics.
>>496818>Except those dialectics are anything but science.This is true. Marx would have hated Lenin for dragging his name through the dirt. Marx and Engels even clarified and warned against using his work as a science, for they felt they were on the road to it, but they didn't think they had reached yet. Marx was under the impression that future generations will improve upon his work, not copy it verbatim.
>No one can honestly argue in good faith that a black man doesn't have the right to open fire if he sees a white man with a black womanWhat if they truly love eachother?
>>496864>What is national socialism National Socialism is the fig leaf that the NSDAP used to cover up their whoring out of the German Economy to large, private monopolies.
>They’re clearly different POVs…Social Conservative Socialists…All AES was far more progressive than the Societies that preceded it. And le “beliefs” is just the narcissism of small differences
>>496865>What if they truly love eachotherNo such thing as one true love. They can find love within their respective groups.
>>496866>Do you know who Richard Lewontin is? A guy who was soundly rebuked by AFW Edwards
>>496872I thought it was the blacks commiting white genocide not the other way around
>>496874True, I think a large problem today is that people still blindly follow antiquated racial science from herodotus, and synthesizes it with a misunderstanding of darwinian natural selection. A more apt description for what most /pol/yps actually want is ethnic solidarity, and I would go so far as to say they already have their own chinletish ethnicity rooted in American chauvinism and frog images.
>>496872>I always get poon<The nogs are gonna rip my balls out and stick them in my eye sockets if I fuck their women 1) Even when pretending to be a chad, they live rent free in your head
2) You can’t stop white women from fucking black men
>>496881Off the top of my head? Europeans, East Africans, Khoisan, East Asains, Congoloids, Turko-Mongols, Mongols, Australianoids, Australoids, Dravidians, Andamanese, Amerindians, Semites, Berbers, and South Amerindians
>>496883 Sneed
>>496872Unironically Based Mutt Multiplier.
Fuck Marx (German midwit)
Fuck Lenin (overly animated in speeches to compensate for his low energy theories; NEPPED)
No to family abolition
No to degeneracy
No to premarital sex (for soviet women)
Heil Stalin (soft speaker, due to all his energy being used up by his galaxy brain)
Yes to family
Yes to nationalism
Yes to racism
Yes to soft speakers
Yes to abolition of carpet (your footsteps will be known)
Yes for mogging fascist at Paris Expos
Yes for causing capitalist around the world to eternally shit their pants and the mere mention of his name
>>496887This guy’s a race realist who seethes about black men taking white women and castrating white me who thinks communism is impossible because races are totally real.
He also doesn’t understand biology
>>496888>who seethes about black men taking white women Nice strawman. I never mention nonwhite men with white women, I only mention my experiences with non white women and how their men react. Cut the blacked porn, it's fucking with your brain.
>He doesn't understand biologyRefuting Lewontin means that I do understand biology.
>>496889Ethnic, not racial. You may have seen different European ethnicites intermarrying, but not a lot of interracial marriages
>festival childrenThe fuck is a festival child?
>>496908>>496909not falsifiable == not scientific
it's 2022, and so called "marxists" still have know answer to this. If you actually read Marx's work and and life, you would know he warned against using it as a science, for it is a pathway to one, but he was still developing it, and lazy fucks like you can't wait for it to be done so you take it raw out of the oven.
>>496921>Doesn’t talk about how close those african groups are to European groupsThank you for proving that race isn’t biologically real
>>496925No proofs
>>4969351) Provide Proof
2) That “genetic closeness” still doesn’t provide evidence for race.
>>496347> or the sake of supremacy even though they are just your casual Homo sapiensCapitalists ruin the homogeneity of nations to continue the class based system.
White people don’t have a place to call home anymore because of it.
>>496945>The difference in human “racial groups” is the same as between specieshttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/There is a sense that “species” insofar as they’re human classifications of lifeforms that are provisionally made and subject to revision according to criteria aren’t “real”, but I shan’t get into that.
Anyhow, biological metrics we use to theoretically determine race “objectively” can demonstrate subspecies in our closest living ancestor, but fail to do so in humans
>>496958>Productive forceTechnology and practices used to render good and services to meet needs material and immaterial
>Class Struggle The mutually exclusive and diametrically opposed material interests created by a mode of production (e.g. higher wages vs higher profits)
>Cats dogs and horses weren’t abolished because they’re “no longer necessary for production” 1) In some parts of the world horses and cattle are indeed necessary,
2) The breeding and maintenance of these animals at current levels for their current purposes is still dependent on the capitalist mode of production
3) Just because something is “no longer determined necessary” for production doesn’t mean it disappears, or rather not all at once
>Slavery wasn’t Abolished Its importance compared to wage workers and industrial practice is certainly diminished.
>Stalin is a material forceNot gonna dignify this, however…
>Ideals/Morals/Chance/OtherThe efficacy of them are utterly dependent on material conditions, which determine how they are realized in the world as it exists
>>496961>>496964
>Technology and practices used to render good and services to meet needs material and immaterial Masturbation, the brain, stalin's pen, and electrons all fall under this. Not a very good scientific definition in trying to bridge marxism to materislism
>The mutually exclusive and diametrically opposed material interests created by a mode of production (e.g. higher wages vs higher profits) By this definition we can prove the innateness of "identity politics" in Marxism. (e.g. reparations for slavery in order to alleviate social stratification)
>1) In some parts of the world horses and cattle are indeed necessary, >2) The breeding and maintenance of these animals at current levels for their current purposes is still dependent on the capitalist mode of production>3) Just because something is “no longer determined necessary” for production doesn’t mean it disappears, or rather not all at once>Its importance compared to wage workers and industrial practice is certainly diminished. none of these points refutes my argument that productive forces alone do not explain the abolition of slavery, and why this capital was adapted to other markets such as medical/sociological research.
>Not gonna dignify this, however…Refusal to refute a point is called a concession
>The efficacy of them are utterly dependent on material conditions, which determine how they are realized in the world as it existsthis is circular logic, for material conditions are also dependent and ARE Ideals/Morals/Chance/Other. If only the material exists, then nothing can differentiate or separated from within it and named "non-material" for such a phenomenon would not exists and we would not perceive it. Ideals and Morals are material in the brain. You cannot separate them
>>496967>no argument only seetheI accept your concession.
Also
>"there is no royal road to science, and only those who do not dread the fatiguing climb of its steep paths have a chance of gaining its luminous summits." - Karl MarxMarx would loath people like you who misinterpret his work. Marx was a man of science, and never claimed that his work were presenting any scientific laws or universal truths.
>>496958>>496960>>496966NTA, but this is such a jumbled mess of nonsense that I don't even know where to respond, because it's as if you're trying to form an argument against Marxism without actually stating clearly any actual Marxist concept or analysis in your "critique" of it. You're not even defining materialism correctly, it's as if you are arguing against the idea of it based on nothing but pure assumption of what it could mean. And how are you even having any confusion in regards to what "productive forces" refers to? Indotn get what your issue is, because you aren't even arguing against what that means.
Can you actually quote where you find issue with Marx so we can actually discuss this in the context of the work itself?
>Masturbation, the brain, stalin's pen, and electrons all fall under this. Not a very good scientific definition in trying to bridge marxism to materislism
You can try to come up with non-answers to be clever, but it only demonstrates how little you understand. Three of these aren’t technology and the fourth cannot create create, transport or distribute anything but lines of ink.
> By this definition we can prove the innateness of "identity politics" in Marxism. (e.g. reparations for slavery in order to alleviate social stratification)
Class isn’t just le “social stratification” but a specific relationship to productive forces
> none of these points refutes my argument that productive forces alone do not explain the abolition of slavery, and why this capital was adapted to other markets such as medical/sociological research
Again, you cannot claim that a point was left disproved without explaining why. I will say that productive forces made the abolition of slavery possible and necessary, since they could outcompete a mode of production based entirely on slave labor and in order to further accumulation for the capitalist, it requires a capitalist firm to constantly grow and expand or be swallowed up by larger firms who expand into places where they can make a profit. This is also why the expanded into medicine, although the niche for that was created by doctors socially organizing to maintain a higher control over the ability to practice medicine and command prices for them. This was only possible because of advances in medical technology that in turn was made by advances in manufacturing.
>Material conditions are idealism
Believe that you can live on only sunlight and see how long it lasts.
>>496970>You can try to come up with non-answers to be clever, but it only demonstrates how little you understand. Three of these aren’t technology and the fourth cannot create create, transport or distribute anything but lines of ink. You said technologies and practices, it seems you already forgot your own definitions.
>Class isn’t just le “social stratification” but a specific relationship to productive forces social stratification IS a specific relationship to slavery
>Again, you cannot claim that a point was left disproved without explaining why. I will say that productive forces made the abolition of slavery possible and necessary, since they could outcompete a mode of production based entirely on slave labor and in order to further accumulation for the capitalist, it requires a capitalist firm to constantly grow and expand or be swallowed up by larger firms who expand into places where they can make a profit. This is also why the expanded into medicine, although the niche for that was created by doctors socially organizing to maintain a higher control over the ability to practice medicine and command prices for them. This was only possible because of advances in medical technology that in turn was made by advances in manufacturing. Again. How does this explain why the capital of slavery was not adapted to medical/social research? So a "technology"' was no longer effective in one industry makes it no longer effective in any future industries?
>Believe that you can live on only sunlight and see how long it lasts.Strawman fallacy. Ideals are stored in the brain. They are material. Please refresh on the definition of idealism.
>>496969Based on your response, it seems like this conversation is a bit above your understanding. Instead of offering a refutation you appeal to ignorance.
>>496968> I applaud your idea of publishing the translation of “Das Kapital” as a serial. In this form the book will be more accessible to the working class, a consideration which to me outweighs everything else.>That is the good side of your suggestion, but here is the reverse of the medal: the method of analysis which I have employed, and which had not previously been applied to economic subjects, makes the reading of the first chapters rather arduous, and it is to be feared that the French public, always impatient to come to a conclusion, eager to know the connexion between general principles and the immediate questions that have aroused their passions, may be disheartened because they will be unable to move on at once.That is a disadvantage I am powerless to overcome, unless it be by forewarning and forearming those readers who zealously seek the truth. There is no royal road to science, and only those who do not dread the fatiguing climb of its steep paths have a chance of gaining its luminous summits.
Marx was literally talking about people stumbling through Capital because they didn’t understand how to do Dialectical Analysis
>>496975>You said technology and practices <Chooses “Brain” and “Electrons”>Social Stratification is a specific relationship to slavery<I can just mash words together without understanding what they mean>You didn’t say why slavery wasn’t adapted to so and so Because it’s not profitable, although slaves were used in gynecological research once and that was kinda fucked up
>Ideas are stored in the brain, therefore they are material<The brain magically manifests ideas into the real world in their pure essence w/o any external factors mediating themYou don’t understand what materialism is.
>>496977If you read my posts, what you screencapped is exactly what I have been saying. Marx’s complaint was that they refused to use a scientific methodology to do actual science, not that he didn’t himk diamat/hismat were unscientific. Stalin, btw, wrote a book about Diamat and Istmat and had party-commissioned works published in the Soviet Union on the subjects.
>>496980>That is because you are trying to use the idealist definition of an ideal. Explain how this is the case, because nothing I have ever learned about idealism implys this definition of the an ideal.
>I am not talking about the "abstract" b/c it does not exist. Yes.
>Your understanding of an ideal is material: neurons in your brain.The act of thought requires as a prerequisite material interactions to occur, but an ideal in of itself is not a physical thing. The phenomena behind it is. Numbers, for example, are not a physical thing, but the phenomena which results in their conceptualization is.
>>496979>Marx’s complaint was that they refused to use a scientific methodology to do actual science, not that he didn’t himk diamat/hismat were unscientifichow does "not providing a theory of history" some how means to you that he was providing a scientific theory?
>>496979>Chooses “Brain” and “Electrons”Yes. Productive forces are in Evolution, they just don't magically appear when humans get here.
>I can just mash words together without understanding what they meanAPPEAL TO IGNORANCE
>Because it’s not profitable, although slaves were used in gynecological research once and that was kinda fucked up>Because it’s not profitableproofs? Or are you just asserting this to fit with your per-conceived ideas?
>The brain magically manifests ideas into the real world in their pure essence w/o any external factors mediating them. You don’t understand what materialism is.lol. you keep trying to to isolate the brain from material as if it just popped into existence and was never just a transformation or movement of material.
>>496982study history instead of theory
>>496983>Explain how this is the case, because nothing I have ever learned about idealism implys this definition of the an ideal. the fact that you are saying that an ideal is non-material is what makes it idealist.
>>496983the phenomena is the ideal,
>but the phenomena which results in their conceptualization isyes and that is all that matters.
>>496981see this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressed_research_in_the_Soviet_Union Stalin wasn't perfect, but he was the most competent and great leaders of the 20th century, and was willing to do what was necessary to ensure the continuation of the communist government. Of course he and Lenin's theories and "ideologies" aligned, but the differed in execution. So much so, Lenin wrote a letter urging that staling not be his successor.
In conclusion, historical and dialectical materialism are only guidelines to studying history. You can call them theories, but they are not scientific, for they are not falsifiable in their current state. Marx was on to something, but he knew there would be people to impatient to build upon his work and skip the arduous climb and claim it as a science without credence. Karl Marx is considered by some to be the father of Sociology, his theories are still being used today in academia and a professional setting, it, like almost all theories in sociology are being use analytically rather than purely scientifically. Even though stalin shared the same beliefs as Lenin, he also understood when to neglect, styfle, or those beliefs in favor of pragmatism, like when he told marxist zealots to fuck off from physics when they were accusing alot of thins as "bougie pseudo-science", like when he didn't punish the nationalism that happened in the WWII.
>>496986>Stalin wasn't perfect, but he was the most competent and great leaders of the 20th century, and was willing to do what was necessary to ensure the continuation of the communist government. Of course he and Lenin's theories and "ideologies" aligned, but the differed in execution.Dude, actually read Lenin and Stalin. Don't read some random Wikipedia article on them, actually read their works and actually fucking study what policies they pursued.
>So much so, Lenin wrote a letter urging that staling not be his successor.Lenin wrote no such thing in regards to "successors", and the so called "testament" he wrote contained critiques of multiple party members outside of just Stalin. The testament itself is also likely fabricated, as its contents make absolutely no sense in relation to Lenins stated views on certain things and seems far too contrived given both the political situation at the time and the people who claimed its valdiity.
>>496990>Vague, sweeping notions about degeneracy<I study Stalin’s Policy No you don’t, and it shows. Being aggressively, confidently ignorant about Marxism and Stalin isn’t a substitute for actual knowledge.
By the way, do you know what Marx called his theory of socialism? It wasn’t utopian socialism, but scientific socialism, a term that all marxists, Stalin Included, used to describe their policy
>>496988>You can call them theories, but they are not scientific, for they are not falsifiable in their current stateIs chemical modeling not scientific? It largely isn't falsified. Falsifiability in science is not something which is necessary to the determination of if soemthing is scientific or not, and for the most part it never has been and still isn't.
>Marx was on to something, but he knew there would be people to impatient to build upon his work and skip the arduous climb and claim it as a science without credence. Even Stalin states it to be a science. Fuck, he's even the one to majorly push that point.
>Karl Marx is considered by some to be the father of Sociology, his theories are still being used today in academia and a professional setting, it, like almost all theories in sociology are being use analytically rather than purely scientifically. Again, your view of falsifiability being the criteria for what determines what is scientific or not is not something which is actually held in most scientific fields.
>Even though stalin shared the same beliefs as Lenin, he also understood when to neglect, styfle, or those beliefs in favor of pragmatism, like when he told marxist zealots to fuck off from physics when they were accusing alot of thins as "bougie pseudo-science", like when he didn't punish the nationalism that happened in the WWII.Didn't you yourself just state that Stalin made mistakes?
>>496990>I do extensively, which is why we come to different conclusions as you only read his works. His pro-family and sexually repressive policies did extremely well. Define "sexually repressive". And those policies need to be taken in the larger context of when they were introduced, and not be assumed to be automatically applicable.
>Stalin totally eradicated prostitution from the soviet union. Lenin was too weak to this, even though he himself was against quackery like "free love" and hated prostitution just as much. Again, what the fuck are you talking about? Prostitution was already driven low during Lenin's time, and that was within the only 7 years he served in government.
>Lenin thought that stalin would be too harsh, but that is exactly was the soviet union needed.That wasn't his criticism at all.
>One, to combat the degeneracy following the decade after the revolution, What "degeneracy"?
>and two b/c he did it to protect his nation, he knew how ruthless and unrelenting the capitalist western powers were going to be. Focusing on developing the USSR as the center of the revolution was already Soviet policy to begin with.
>Instead of eroding or "assimilation" the family, stalin strengthen it Ok, what exactly do you think "abolish the family" mean? Because I don't think you know what it means.
>and did away with bougie feminist ideals of the post decade of the revolution: though women were still treated leagues better than in capitalism.I have no idea what "bougie feminist" ideals you are taking about. There existed no such thing.
>>496996If the process does not fit the model IT IS FALSE
BOOM. HEADSHOT.
>>496996Do you honestly believe that chemical process modeling in non falsifiable? It's a HARD science.
>>496998If your model doesn't cannot predict reality then it is false. If your you try to assume that water is a Newtonian fluid at high shear rates your model will be false.
>>496999>Muh HARD SCIENCES Doesn’t explain why it’s not falsified or falsifiable
>If the model cannot predict reality Even stoichiometry is probabilistic
>>497000>We can RCT history >>497001>Doesn’t explain why it’s not falsified or falsifiableIt is falsifiable, you can take take measurements of a distillation column and predict the vapor and liquid fractions in the reflex and reboilier. Since these variables can be verified as matching or not, means the model is falsifiable. And you keep doing experiments and changing your model, until it can reliably predict.
>Even stoichiometry is probabilistic stoichiometry is falsifiable and can predict reality because it is the mathematical ratios of a chemical equation, a scientific model.
>>497002Math isn’t falsifiable. Or rather, mathematical laws are not.
And your distillation example is also not an example of falsification, you wouldn’t falsify your entire model of chemical processes from one test or failure to replicate and discard or tweak the model. Especially when there could be something wrong with the equipment
>>4970001) No proof as to why it can’t be scientifically tested or what does that even mean
2) Falsifiability is not “can it be tested”
>>496999>Do you honestly believe that chemical process modeling in non falsifiable? It's a HARD scienceYes, this is literally part of the controversy in regards to falsifiability in science. Multiple fields don't untilzie it at all, and one of those that don't put much importance to it is chemistry, which instead uses analysis and synthesis and the creation of certain models to operate. Not even the theory of evolution is something which is falsifiable by Poppers standards, which is why he initially said it was unscientific before he had to try and walk it back.
>>497005Race isn't a thing utilized in any clinical setting, and it has no basis in any legitimate "scientific theory" of genetics. Ancestry is a thing that is used, but that is not the same thing.
>>497014>Screenshots and not the actual articleLiterally one guy. But this is some big brave man fighting against the politically correct establishment, isn’t it?
Now, do you know what actual physicians and medical literature says about race and organ transplants?
>>497018>Refuses to provide scientific article proof,What;s the point> You'll just ignore it like my refutation of Lewontin because you don't know what you're reading.
>>Continues to project his feelings of being cuckolded and emasculated by black men through fabricated stories What I described isn't cuckolding. What I described was racial self defense. If I was shot in self defense by a black man for fucking a black chick then I would've been the one doing the cucking.
>>497019>Racial Self-DefenseKek. How does it feel knowing that you can’t stop white women from fucking nonwhite men. Perhaps even the white women in your life.
By the way, of all your stories, has it occurred to you that the common detail wasn’t the race of the other me, but that they were interested in said girl? Because it might have taken you being a little less autistic, or rather being able to bed a woman in the first place, to realize that you didn’t run into some truth about races and sex, but just got into some petty squabbles over women.
> Lewontin’s Fallacy is the only card I got, I, someone who studies genetics Here was an opportunity to blow me out of the water with “race is genetically relevant in medecine”, but ypu can’t even do that, save for posting popular news articles and not actual science.
>>497021It wasn't just a random op ed, they cited an actual scientist. If want to read more from him you can just google his name
> How does it feel knowing that you can’t stop white women from fucking nonwhite menDon't care about nasty low value slampigs burning coal. A lot of escorts and craigslist whores straight up say "No black, Arab, or Indian men"
>but that they were interested in said girl?That's false. I've been given shit by random dudes for mingling with women of their race. It's different than stealing a girl on the dance floor. This is why spoon feeding research papers is a fools errand. You can't read. I tried it in the other thread and it didn't work because you people aren't proficient enough in biology to be reading those papers
>>497022Again with the refusal to use actual scientific articles. And the “Someone gave me a dirty look, they’re gonna jam my testicles in my eyesockets”.
>I don’t care about slags dating black men. These prostitutes and hookup services totally refuse to fuck black people<Implying the only white women that exist, much less fuck black men are ugly slags, call girls or hookup serviceaSounds like sour grapes. Or an inability to do racial self-defense.
>>497023>Or an inability to do racial self-defense.More like I'm not going to prison over it. I'm sure the non white men who've seen me or other white guys with their girls have had brief fantasies in that back of their heads about unloading a glock into me or the offending white man. A little while ago I had to pull out this baby because I was out on the town with a few brown chicks and some "youths" accosted us and started getting aggressive
>>497037How did I switch goalposts
>According to whom?Edwards and other geneticists. You can do your own research. I know you'll hand waive away anything I give you. You can find tons of articles and paper son how Europe is very genetically homogeneous.
>And what does it mean to be far apart?Genetically different.
>>497031https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/#!po=1.04167> A final complication arises when racial classifications are used as proxies for geographic ancestry. Although many concepts of race are correlated with geographic ancestry, the two are not interchangeable, and relying on racial classifications will reduce predictive power still further.Race isn’t clinically useful at the very least
> The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin is compatible with the observation that most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them. It is also compatible with our finding that, even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population. Thus, caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes.An example of this is the distribution of both genetic diseases across populations and successful organ donation rates which can vary depending on the organ being donated.
Livers: Mostly doesn’t matter
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954674/Kidneys: Some Racial Differences, but asian and latino recipients actually have more successful transplant rates from black and white donor kidneys compared even to same-race transplantation from white to white or black to black
>>497045>The paper “debunked” itselfNot how it works. For someone who studies biology you don’t seem to understand how to read journals. You’re assuming a hypothesis that isn’t presented in the paper
1) Again, geographic ancestral groups =/= race and the authors are very clear about it, especially for clinical applications
2) They mention that this “thousands of loci” thing is only true if you sample only a few specific populations and not the world at large. Essentially, that’s saying that if you sample Hutus, Danes and Mongolians using thousands of Loci, and not any other groups that may possibly be in-between. More importantly, the Richards paper used only a few hundred loci to try and establish “Lewontin’s Fallacy”, Rosenberg (2002) used 377 and the Authors themselves said the minimum threshold is around 100 Loci and can determine geographic ancestry with 100% accuracy.
Saying that “a few hundred loci isn’t much” is what we scientifically call a cope. Just like how geographic ancestry is the same as race.
>>497046>Again, geographic ancestral groups =/= race and the authors are very clear about itExcept they're not
>used 377 and the Authors themselves said the minimum threshold is around 100 Loci and can determine geographic ancestry with 100% accuracy.Using c and not ω, ω is more accurate.
n such cases, ω becomes zero. Classification methods similarly yield high error rates with few loci and almost no errors with thousands of loci. Unlike ω, however, classification statistics make use of aggregate properties of populations, so they can approach 100% accuracy with as few as 100 loci.
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