WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE EDITIONLet's maintain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
LIVE UPDATES AND COMMENTARYhttps://liveuamap.com/>Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass: https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexac>Updates from a pro-Donetsk, Ukrainian-speaking US veteran from the region:https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday>For Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
INTERNATIONAL LAW CONTEXT AND HISTORYThe Crimea Crisis: An International Law Perspective
https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/Marxsen_2014_-_The_crimea_crisis_-_an_international_law_perspective.pdfInternational reactions to the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_FederationLATEST NEWSUkraine shelled two schools in the Donetsk region, killing one person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-IC-u-yl70Vladimir Putin has ordered Russian troops to “maintain peace” in two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine, hours after the Russian president recognised Donetsk and Luhansk as independent entities.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/21/us-warns-of-possible-targeted-killings-by-russia-live-newsKYIV (Reuters) -Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy accused Russia of wrecking peace efforts and ruled out making any territorial concessions in an address to the nation in the early hours of Tuesday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-has-destroyed-peace-efforts-but-we-wont-give-up-any-of-our-land-zelenskiy-says/ar-AAU8Cfd?ocid=BingNewsBRUSSELS — A top European Union official says Russia's recognition of the Ukrainian separatist regions of Luhansk and Donetsk as independent states and to send troops into the territories is an "act of war."
https://www.startribune.com/the-latest-eu-says-russias-moves-are-act-of-war/600149191/WASHINGTON, Feb 21 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin's decision to send troops he called peacemakers into breakaway regions of Ukraine did not constitute a further invasion that would trigger a broader sanctions package, a Biden administration official told Reuters on Monday, but the White House believes a full invasion could come at any time.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-casts-doubt-biden-summit-with-putin-eyes-new-sanctions-tuesday-official-2022-02-21/WASHINGTON, February 22. /TASS/. US President Joe Biden signed a decree on sanctions over Russia’s recognition of the sovereignty of the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR and DPR). The document, among other things, establishes a ban for Americans to finance and invest in the DPR and LPR as well as on trade with the republics.
https://tass.com/world/1407797Boris Johnson will chair a meeting of the UK’s emergency Cobra committee on Tuesday morning to sign off a package of sanctions against Russia after its military occupation of the two breakaway states in eastern Ukraine.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/21/uk-impose-sanctions-russia-attack-ukraine-sovereigntyLeaders from the European Union and the United Kingdom vowed Monday to impose sanctions over Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to recognize two separatist regions in eastern Ukraine as independent.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/21/us-warns-of-possible-targeted-killings-by-russia-live-newsACTIVE STREAMSRT Live:
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash >>503157If the expectation was open war between US/NATO and Russia, then of course nothing was going to happen. However, Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014, when Luhansk and Donetsk regions declared independence from Ukraine following the Euromaidan protest/coup d'état. What we're seeing now is the same playbook Putin used for Crimea.
>region with majority Russian-speakers has a referendum on leaving Ukraine>majority vote yes>Russia "supports" from a distance (or so they say)>Ukraine tries to regain the territory>Russia moves troops in for peacekeeping and to protect the Russian populationMy prediction for the
>near futureis that LPR and DPR will become Russian satellite states (perhaps getting annexed years down the line, but not this generation). Ukraine will broker a peace deal relatively soon, after they realise US/NATO is not going to help them against Russia. Ukraine will continue to shake its fists at Donetsk and use them as a Big Other in anti-Russian, nationalist propaganda.
>Not-so-near-but-not-so-distant-future:Everyone will move on, except the seething Ukrainian neo-Nazis that will only become further radicalised, and will be a big problem, especially as their ideology spreads and they receive more funding from around the world because of this "invasion". I wonder how much of the military equipment being sent currently is arming the Azov Battalion. We'll never know, and it's probably more than they say.
>>503161>and most or all of Ukraine Russia will stop at the border of the LPR and DPR-declared/claimed territory. For all the screams about "international law", Putin is walking a fine line. LPR and DPR voted in a referendum to be independent from Ukraine, majority are Russian speakers and millions of them have Russian passports. It's not much different than what KFOR is doing in Kosovo.
>Kosovo Force (KFOR) is currently deployed in the Balkans to maintain a safe and secure environment, freedom of movement for all citizens in Kosovo and to facilitate the Euro-Atlantic integration of the Western Balkans.>facilitate the Euro-Atlantic integration of the Western Balkanshttps://shape.nato.int/ongoingoperations/nato-mission-in-kosovo-kfor-US/NATO support separatist movements when it suits them and their allies, e.g. Kosovo, but is against them when the movements are inconvenient for them and their allies, e.g. Catalonia.
>>503169The most based post in this thread.
For all you complaining about the Azov Batallion, never forget Russia's own Neo Nazis fight with the separatists.
It is WORKERS OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE - Marxism should offer no support to bourgeois nationalists or fascists!
>>503174They also have Communists fighting alongside them and communist parties within their respective Governments.
I'm not saying these people aren't worth criticism, far from it, but there is a chance that these polities have the ability to become their own socialist govs
alongside the chance that they could also crash and burn into reactionary goo Fact is, these seperatists have launched a meaningful resistance against Ukranian fascism. It's not fully socialist, of course, but it's an opportunity to stick it to NATO and to stick it to the Azov Battalion.
>>503178"If by some miracle".
Yes exactly, by some 'miracle'. There is no chance of it happening.
The KPRF are completely useless and do whatever Putin says. They aren't going to get into power, at least not into any sort of meaningful position.
>>503180'St. Karl'.
Unsurprisingly the pro-Russian types outright admit they've no interest in actual Marxism and resort to the sort of revisionist phraseology of socdems and radlibs.
The real person who has to grow up is you, and accept there isn't a good outcome.
>>503181The 'Communist' movement in these regions are little more than people with nostalgia for the Soviet Union who conflate socialism with Russian nationalism.
The problem is 'sticking it to the Azov' battalion has now involved them bringing in National Bolsheviks and Russian National Unity.
It reveals a lot that so many people here will shout about Ukrainian Neo-Fascists, yet their anti-fascism only lasts as long as the flag the fascists march under is Yellow and Blue.
I think it's time to dedust this essay by Vladislav Surkov who was one of the top Russian advisors involved in the Ukraine situation. It gives an insight on how the Kremlin's big shots are reasoning.
We had a thread about it at some point but I don't know if it's been archived.
https://actualcomment-ru.translate.goog/kuda-delsya-khaos-raspakovka-stabilnosti-2111201336.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp>>503169For me its /thread
Even if i don't believe in glorifying violence
>>503169>>503174>>503183Based takes Comrades! Anti-Revisionists are the adults who understand that taking sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts and picking one group of Fascists over another will not lead to Socialism, but instead will lead to being a obscure footnote of history. The only path forward is Protracted People’s War against all Capitalist, Imperialist, Comprador, Fascist, Liberal, and Revisionist states worldwide (first in the Periphery and Semi-Periphery countries, and once material conditions deteriorate enough, in the Imperial Core itself). LONG LIVE THE PROTRACTED PEOPLES WARS IN INDIA, THE PHILIPPINES, TURKEY, AND PERU! LONG LIVE MARXISM-LENINISM-MAOISM! WORKERS AND OPPRESSED NATIONS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
>>503190Fascists are cowards who prefer mowing down civilians over killing the other team's fascists.
Unless you manage to lock down all fascists in one room, the collateral damage is too high
>>503190The problem is we have no vanguard poised to take advantage of that.
>>503194Ppw is having close to 0 results in Turkey and Peru, little results in the Philippine and in India even if they're having results they're simply gaining back previously lost strength.
Btw Myanmar is also having a ppw, you should know since it's people from your tendency waging it (sadly with Gonzalo influences which will probably spoil everything).
>>503202Gonzalo? Yes.
Sison? No. even if i don't 100% agree with him.
>>503183I was reading a statement by the Russian Communist Workers' Party (RKRP-CPSU) on Donbass and I'll post some experts below. This group seems to position itself to the left of the KPRF as an anti-revisionist-type organization and also endorsed the KRPF's proposal to recognize the republics.
>The imperialists always compete fiercely with each other, and it is in their interest to weaken the competitor. The example of the fight against Nord Stream for the sake of capturing the European market with liquefied gas from the United States is very indicative. Just business, as the gentlemen say. And the sweat of the essence is an unbridled thirst for profit! It is precisely for this that it is beneficial for Western imperialists to play off the peoples of Russia and Ukraine, thereby logically continuing the destruction of the legacy of the Soviet Union. They succeed to a large extent. But the basis of the movement of resistance to their misanthropic policy is the working class of Donbass, those same miners and tractor drivers, whose contribution to the rebuff to the Nazis was recalled by Putin. Soviet sentiment prevailed in this movement, and the red flags of the USSR were symbols of this struggle. Naturally, the desire of the bourgeoisie of all competing parties to suppress this resistance - and in this they are not enemies, but like-minded people and allies.
>That is why we constantly explain to the working people that it is possible and necessary to exploit the cracks in the camp of capital, but one must be vigilant. The Russian authorities, who are currently providing situational assistance to Donbass, are at the same time constantly bargaining with the United States and the EU, and at any moment they can betray and sell, cross out the results of the selfless struggle of the working people of Donbass against the Nazis.
>We Communists stand on the point of view that there is no peace and unity with the fascists, and there cannot be. That the existence of people's republics, even in the current status of "unrecognized" for the workers, is much more preferable than their submission to fascist punishers. And if you manage to achieve recognition - even better. It is better to achieve the unification of the forces of the LNR and the DNR in a single alliance, as, for example, was proposed in the Novorossiya project in 2014. But we never lose sight of perspective. And the best prospect for the people of Donbass is the victory of socialism both in Russia and in Ukraine. Then the question of where and how to enter would become an irrelevant question, and it would be decided by the working people themselves, uniting in a new state of workers and peasants - the new Soviet Union. This is the most preferred status for the working people!
>The main direction of the struggle for this goal is the organization of the working class through the unification of the Workers' Front, workers' trade unions, workers' councils, and the strengthening of the communist organizations of the republics. In the parliament's appeal to the president, the deputies praise the unrecognized republics for allegedly " democratic bodies have been built in them on the basis of the will of the people."Yes, nothing like that! The original revolutionary spirit of people's democracy has long been lost in the DNR and LNR. The largely naive, sincere impulses to establish real people's power, for which the brigade commander Mozgovoy, the people's commanders Dremov, Givi, Motorola, Batman and other militia leaders who were killed under unclear circumstances and customers, were buried. Through the efforts of the local and Russian bourgeoisie, the usual reactionary capitalist regimes were established, with curtailed democracy, with a high degree of exploitation of workers, social stratification, with the power of criminalized capital under the slogan of "people's democracy", which is essentially a bourgeois dictatorship. Their abominations, from non-payment of wages and the ban on any protests and strikes to the removal of militias, workers, those same miners and tractor drivers from participation in political life and in elections, the authorities cynically cover up martial law. So the comrades in the Donbass have to fight in particularly difficult conditions. And the working class of Donbass, as well as the working class of Russia and Ukraine, will face a common struggle against the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
>The Communists at the Lugansk Conference in 2019 determined: the struggle for the workers' cause is our strategy! It must be unifying for all the forces fighting against fascism, and hence against capitalism. The theme of the Labor Front, the struggle for the workers' cause, is the strategic direction of the general struggle. It should be uniting for all workers' organizations of Donbass, Russia, Ukraine, all countries!
>Victory will be for the workers!https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2022/02/16/46848/ >>503183>The 'Communist' movement in these regions are little more than people with nostalgia for the Soviet Union who conflate socialism with Russian nationalism.>Despite the fact that these places have Communist parties. And again, why wouldn't they have Nostaglia? Say what you will about the USSR, but the USSR protected the Russian people from fascism, something the people of these seperatist republics are victims of.
>The problem is 'sticking it to the Azov' battalion has now involved them bringing in National Bolsheviks and Russian National Unity. This is where the "critical" from Critical support comes from. However, keep in mind, the Communist Party of Russia was one of the first to propose the independance of these seperatist republics. They clearly see the potential in these republics fighting nato and becoming independant, why can't you? You can call them and myself optimistic, and I will agree, but there's still a chance where these projects ought to be
critically supported.
>It reveals a lot that so many people here will shout about Ukrainian Neo-Fascists, yet their anti-fascism only lasts as long as the flag the fascists march under is Yellow and Blue.Putinoids notwithstanding, I think you and I can agree that Russia is a reactionary oligarchy, but keep in mind Socialist nations have also allied with Capitalist ones. Are we going to forget the allies of WWII? Beggars can't be choosers, anon. Russia, unlike the USA hasn't placed embargoes on China, the AANES, Vietnam or Cuba. They're not NATO members. Are they perfect? Far from it, but they're a valuable asset in this fight. It's up to these Seperatist Republics to form their own destiny- whether they become Russian proxy states or their own autonomous nations (which Russia seems to imply they are) is yet to be seen.
>>503230yeah, good, ok
retard
>>503237Its not up for discussion, its literally basic history.
Ukraine pre existed Lenin.
What changed with the USSR was its extension, and most of all that Khruschev fucked up.
>>503235Exactly. But now they're there openly. Just like it happened in Crimea. Remember the pictures of all the soldiers without insignia who turned out to be Russian? Then when he was ready to recognise Crimea's referendum and annex them, he said he's moving soldiers in.
There won't be a war because it is a geopolitical game, Washington knows it, Moscow knows it, EU knows it. NATO expanded into the Baltics and Balkans, including bases in Kosovo. Bulgaria is in EU. Romania is in EU and is gonna host more NATO troops (
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/europe/top-stories/president-iohannis-romania-ready-to-host-nato-troops/).
Russia has Serbia and Montenegro in its "sphere of influence". Out of Eastern Europe they have Belarus left. "The West" has surrounded Russia on the European side. Ukraine fell in 2014 to Western interests. Since then they tried to do the same in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Putin also made a few moves, he either created or saw an opportunity to create a bit of a buffer with Ukraine. That's why there won't be a military response from NATO, only sanctions. It wasn't a war of aggression he's just backing separatists. While the US may scream about international law being broken, the US did the same in Serbia. US was the first to recognise Kosovo and gave a warning to Serbia if they tried to take it back they'll bomb them into oblivion.
The rhetoric going back and forth between the US, UK, EU and Russia is just the show they put on for the public. The US has been talking about "invasion of Ukraine" because they backed Ukraine on their increased shelling and attacks on Donbas. The media isn't reporting it, but they are shelling civilian cities, it is a campaign of terror to make the population submit.
Economic sanctions are the real weapon and it's gonna be the people of Donbas and Eastern Ukraine that suffer. NATO won't stop expanding and putting as much materiél they can as close to Russia as they can, and Russia won't just stand there and watch as they're surrounded. Maybe the next few presidents won't attack Russia while Putin is alive, but that puts Russia into a shitty position in the future. This military infrastructure will stay in place, be continously modernised, so future Russia will be a trapped country, surrounded by enemies. Putin could very well be afraid that a future Russian president might be aggressive and nationalistic, because that sentiment is rising everywhere, and actually attack surrounding countries, resulting in the end of Russia.
Ultimately, NATO buildup around Russia serves no purposes other than to provoke Russia, to dare them to do something drastic. They are not protecting Europe. Why would Russia attack Europe, one of its top customers for gas? They're building Nord Stream 2, it would be fucking retarded to have a war. Fucking US is going to be the end of us all.
>>765319Nice try.
>>503257Ofc anon.
You know you broke somebody brains when he start using your flag lol.
I keep living rent free in people's minds.
>>503258I'm the comment you responded to. You seem knowledgable on this.
How can Europe, from within NATO, press the issue of its interest in favorable economic ties with Russia? It seems that a European détente with China is gaining more and more steam as the political sphere is becoming aware of the mutual advantages to be gained. Yet because of military concerns and the he-said-she-said game of NATO encirclement of Russia/Russian-Belarusian encirclement of Ukraine this rhetoric becomes hard to translate when it comes to Euro-Russian relations.
From what I've seen, France and Germany aren't exactly thrilled to take a hard line against Russia as they aren't as eager as the US to get Ukraine into NATO in the first place, even though Scholtz seems slightly more hawkish than Merkel. So what happens now? Go too hard on sanctions and you risk hurting the economy. Give Russia what they want and you risk alienating the US.
>>503261Anons what will it bePost 0 for the cucking of Europe
Post 1 for the slow collapse of NATO
>>503284hope for 1
prepare for 0
<'Ukraine was entirely created by Russia’
>“I’ll start with the fact that modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia, more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began almost immediately after the revolution of 1917, and Lenin and his associates did it in a very rude way towards Russia itself – by separating, tearing away from it part of its own historical territories. Of course, no one asked about anything to the millions of people who lived there.”
>“Then, on the eve and after the Great Patriotic War, Stalin already annexed to the USSR and transferred to Ukraine some lands that previously belonged to Poland, Romania and Hungary. At the same time, as a kind of compensation, Stalin endowed Poland with part of the original German territories, and in 1954 Khrushchev for some reason took away Crimea from Russia and also gave it to Ukraine. Actually, this is how the territory of Soviet Ukraine was formed.”
<'Lenin squeezed Donbas into Ukraine’
>"As a result of the Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called “Ukraine named after Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.” He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archival documents, including Lenin’s harsh directives on the Donbas, which was literally squeezed into Ukraine. And now “grateful descendants” have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine.”
>>503298This, tbh. As a member of the Workers' Party of Belgium, energy prices have skyrocketed here and it's helped mobilize people to an extent I haven't seen before, even ones that never had communist sympathies before.
This could be huge.
>>503310>Transformer caught fire after Russian forces shelled Luhanska Poewer Plant in Schastia-Wait the Ukranian army are using mechas?
cool
>>503298>>503304Can the ruling class simply pin the blame on immigrants and weasel out?
At least, for a decade or so.
>>503307>Kazakhstan Ignored by western media and swiftly crushed by based the anti-imperialist countries Russia and China.
>UkraineWestern media screeching 24/7 about Putler while supporting Azov and UKROP.
>>503381pure unadulterated retardation
fuck off you moron
>>503313>robots in disguise aren't mechatransformers are mecha
t. /m/
>>503268literally the only lesson you can learn from Munich 1938 is that you should never believe westoids, lmao
and Ukraine fucking failed this lesson, lmao
>>503169This wasn't actually me, but I agree.
The proletariat has no allies.
>>503384Gotta love how fash always sneer that Leninism is outdated when their century old ideology was created by the bourgeoisie as their response.
https://youtu.be/LiYL1fuxrBcWatch this and tell me with a straight face Russia is an "ally" to socialism and not another imperialist, chauvinist shithole
This was made totally unironically
>>503202> RevisionistSaying this just makes you sound like a New Age Christian/Muslim
I wonder how Marx himself would have felt about being deified and his followers treating him like a prophet and fighting against other Marxists that are “heretics”
>>503342At least in Belgium, communists are currently strongly in control of the narrative surrounding VAT on energy. It remains to be seen whether Die Linke can do the same in Germany. Despite their faults I am firmly convinced there is a lot of potential for communist organization here.
The Workers' Party of Belgium and KKE must coordinate further from within their respective overarching orgs (ICMWP and INITIATIVE, respectively). They are the most important voices in European communism today, imo, although I'm obviously biased.
>>503407maybe but lets be honest, not giving them at least half more space is respectless.
Sure in the grand scheme its completely irrelevant
>>503272>You seem knowledgable on this.I just try to think critically and not think that every single event will precipitate into a world war. Every time the mainstream media points to a local issue, we get predictions of doom. I try to look at things and unpack what's really going on, because no media outlet or government person will just come out and outright say what's going on (
days of Trump are gone ). Especially not the media, always writing spin. Remember how people were saying Iran was going to start WWIII because Trump killed Soleimani? This is the same thing. In the Yugoslav war, in the 90s, you had 3 states engaged in open warfare, you had Mudjahedeen coming in from the Middle East, fascists coming from the West, opportunism and adventurism abound, yet that didn't "spill over", despite going on for 5 years. And why? Because the surrounding countries and Europe had nothing at stake in the fight. Just some slavs killing each other… the West has a boner for it.
Look at the situation now, what's at stake? Ukrainian sovereignty, that is only important to Ukrainians and Ukrainian nationalists; and not even their whole country, just Luhansk and Donetsk, I'm sure there are Western Ukrainians who don't even care about those (why would some aspiring EU liberal student from Kiev care about a Russian-speaking, Russian-dominated region in the east of Ukraine?)
The world is going to "condemn" their actions, just like they condemned the war in Yugoslavia, just like they condemned the genocide in Rwanda. UN might send a "peacekeeping" force that will take photos and get out of the way, like they always do. However, with a situation volatile as this, no country is going to volounteer to send their troops to get fired upon in that mess and not be able to fire back for fear of starting an actual international incident.
>How can Europe, from within NATO, press the issue of its interest in favorable economic ties with Russia?Who says that that is in its interest now? Europe has been trying to block Chinese investment in Europe. Most recently that I know of, Sweden has banned Huawei's 5G (
https://www.politico.eu/article/huawei-sweden-china-5g-court-case-european-union/), following US's lead no doubt. US NGOs have been hard at work trying to protest and block Nord Stream 2 (looking at you, extinction "rebellion", among others), so that Europe can buy more expensive gas from the US. Europe, thanks to Germany and France (I believe, largely) has been trying to become its own force and global player, with its own geopolitical aspirations and imperialism (look up how EU dumps nuclear waste in Somalia, for example), then the EU Navy patrolling the Mediterranean and cracking down on people trying to cross (I guess refugees are no longer welcome), how the EU turns a blind eye to Croatian police literally marching immigrants across the border into Bosnia, brutalising them in the process.
>It seems that a European détente with China is gaining more and more steam as the political sphere is becoming aware of the mutual advantages to be gained. Yet because of military concerns and the he-said-she-said game of NATO encirclement of Russia/Russian-Belarusian encirclement of Ukraine this rhetoric becomes hard to translate when it comes to Euro-Russian relations.I don't think there's any détente with China, on the contrary. I gave you the example of 5G being blocked in Sweden. When the corona pandemic had just started, and Russia developed Sputnik-V and China has Sinopharm and Sinovac, the EU Medical Authority came out and just said that they will not be approving any vaccines not produced in the EU or NA. While the effectivness of Chinese vaccines turned out to be spotty and questionable, the effectiveness of Sputnik-V has been shown to be higher than Pfizer and Moderna 6 months after the shot. It's just that EU leaders don't like to use as forceful as rhetoric as the US
However, we must be wary of generalisation of what "Europe" and "EU" wants to do, as the EU is 27 states and Europe is that plus a few more. Different countries have different goals. Russian oligarchs have a lot of investment in Montenegro. Hungary allowed Chinese and Russian vaccines, despite being an EU country. Chinese have built a bridge in Croatia and China has been making a lot of investments in Serbia. China is one of Denmark's largest customers for their pork (and previously mink). I think we are in a situation where individual countries cannot afford not to make business deals with China, yet as a unified "EU" they are principally opposed to China.
>From what I've seen, France and Germany aren't exactly thrilled to take a hard line against Russia as they aren't as eager as the US to get Ukraine into NATO in the first place, even though Scholtz seems slightly more hawkish than Merkel.Remember when Merkel and Macron wanted to create the EU Army? (
https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/) But no one was really into it. EU, while strong as a whole, with over 400 million people, it is composed of many smaller states. You have the few massive "powerhouses", Germany, France and to some extent Spain and Italy, but other than that, you're left with 20 tiny countries with 3-10 million people each. These countries do not want a war with Russia, what do they stand to get out of it? Nothing. All countries are in debt to the EU, they're already reluctant to pay more into NATO (despite US pressure to do so), leaders of these countries have to be strongarmed behind closed doors and lubed up with money to buy new military equipment, because every time a European country buys new fighter jets or whatever I gurantee you that most of the people in that country are against it. People aren't dumb, they look at their aging infrastructure and then their president comes out and says they've spent $10 Billion on new fighter jets (e.g.
https://www.flyingmag.com/finland-inks-9-4-billion-deal-to-buy-64-f-35-stealth-fighters/).
>So what happens now? Go too hard on sanctions and you risk hurting the economy. Give Russia what they want and you risk alienating the US.The sanctions, I think, will be specific and targeted. Just like the US has sanctioned LPR and DPR, forbade anyone in the US to trade with them, but hasn't sanctioned Russia yet, the EU might do the same. Germany has already made the biggest move, canceling/postponing Nord Stream 2 (
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/business/nord-stream-2-germany-russia/index.html). I think the biggest "sanction" the EU could do is stop NS2, at the same time it would be caving to US interests and it would be a big self-own to own the Russkis, but I'm not putting it past them.
in fact, if canceling NS2 would mean EU turning to nuclear, I'd be all for it, but unfortunately I think EU is married to green capitalist interests, they also hate NS2 The neoliberals, the antlanticists, the analytical anglos in the EU would see it as a win-win, of course, and you have the whole NGO machinery ready to support whatever bullshit green intitiative EU comes up with as an "alternative" while European dependence on American gas and coal remains the same.
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ASIDE: What would the Azov Battalion and other Ukrainian militias formed in 2014 to "defend Ukraine" do if there wasn't a war with the separatists? Those were the same far-right elements that were instrumental in 2014, is the president afraid that if he let Russia have those pieces of Ukraine they'd turn on their own government? Just a speculation. They've discussed the president moving further West (
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-officials-discussed-ukrainian-president-leaving-capital-russian-att-rcna17094), why? Because he is wildly unpopular and Ukrainians are not confident that he can solve this crisis (
https://www.wionews.com/world/approval-ratings-of-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky-falls-amid-russia-conflict-453290), That's why if he declared peace, the Ukrainian militias would probably keep fighting, they're funded by the West to do so anyway.
>>503411Maybe they just had a dogshit reactor in Chernobyl?
Maybe the Japs got fucked after 50 years of neoliberalism?
You realize nuclear reactors have a lower chance of an incident than your precious fossil fuel plants you subhuman oil shill?
>>503403>>503408US National Guard soldiers had to sleep in a garage, while stationed in
their nations capital>One unit, which had been resting in the Dirksen Senate Office building, was abruptly told to vacate the facility on Thursday, according to one Guardsman. The group was forced to rest in a nearby parking garage without internet reception, with just one electrical outlet, and one bathroom with two stalls for 5,000 troops, the person said. Temperatures in Washington were in the low 40s by nightfall.https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/national-guard-troops-vacate-capitol-461220It's not about Russia or US, such is the soldiers life. Military commanders literally don't see soldiers as individuals, they see them as an expendable resource. Every time they plan a battle or operation, they calculate how many are expected to die. They just move this battalion/brigade from one place to another, that's why often soldiers stationed in their own countries, but far away from cities, will resort to stealing from nearby houses and villages. There's nothing honourable about being a soldier, it's a rough life.
>>503344Already canceled. lol
Throw out your pseuds. God, I love to be so fucking right in these geopolitical issues.
>>503427are there meme pictures with germany being assfucked by usa?
if so, i need them for my collection
>>503427>>503431>>503428>>503432I said once, I say it again:
From colonizers to colonized.
Burger'd/
If I had the time, I would make an elsa jean meme with the hand, instead a black man a bum arm with the U.S. flag.
>>503432Mediterranean countries get their gas from north africa.
MEDBVLLS WIN AGAIN.
>>503442>Nothing is happening!<The economy is collapsing and the planet’s habitability is falling apart, this is literally the apocalypse How can you hold both positions in your head simultaneously?
And how can you deny that economic decline and ecological collapse fuel military conflicts?
>>503442I know, I know, you're right, comrade. It is fear-mongering propaganda and I'm falling for it.
>>503444I can only hope revolution comes soon.
>>503449Obviously, I meant that "nothing is happening in Ukraine". So don't get yourself perpetual anxiety over this specific military conflict by consuming the porky news, especially if you live far from Eastern Europe.
Better start prepping for the slow-rolling collapse of the modern civilization, here's a leftist podcast for that:
http://poorproles.com >>503445I mean yeah, talk on the internet is cheap. But stop the flow on NS1 without warning and they'd change their tune. Or raise the prices, it's always going to be cheaper than the US freedom molecules, unless they are willing to bleed money, which is not gonna happen on election season.
You know, sanctions. Your gas is sanctioned, natocuck.
>>503258The correct take, if Russia doesn't move any further, the whole hype will be over in 2-3 months.
>>503472Despite being a Russian and having lived in Ukraine for a while, I still don't understand what's their porkies' interests in shelling shit in the East. Those regions were lost in 2014-2015, why keep going.
>>503476It's been on hold since the green coalition took power in the elections. This is just a song and dance for public consumption.
>>503477personally I think the government has no functional control of the military anymore and most of the porkies have moved out to western europe
>>503478already did a couple weeks ago when Zeley wasn't toeing the US line
>>503472Good, they will flattened. It is alway good to have some nazis steamrolled.
>>503477>Despite being a Russian and having lived in Ukraine for a while>I still don't understand what's their porkies' interestsThey are NATO's bitches. They do what the atlanticists tell them to do.
>>503503Whats the general idea of people regarding the situation?
What are communist orgs saying?
>>503518Check out the podcast's topics: it's not about
your own garden, but community organizing for food growth, and not only about food growing but overall skill contribution. They have even episodes on communal defense.
>>503546He never said it's Lenin's fault lol, what a weird fixation on accusing Putin of stuff he didn't say. According to him in relity, it was
Cthulhu who cause all this when he
tentacled zelninksy's ass
:^) >>503547proles buy bread/flour
farmers are not proles
I have rebuked thee
Ilyin (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin ) is Putin's most favorite thinker, why does Putin's anticommunism come as a surprise to anybody?
>>503549Oh no, you tell me that the dude who adored Alexander Solzhenitsyn and stans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin is bad??
>>503555oh no, hes a reactionary, unlike the progressive US: I rly dont know who you wanna impress. Rightoids who think Russia is still communist?
In a world with 90% anti-communists, being anti-communist isnt too surprising. I dont care for Putin but the Russian people
>>503556They are so lazy
>>503560I am calling on Herr Putler to begin the Kekrainian genocide
>>503558Read
>>503525 everything else is pure cope.
>>503539It's great. Berlin's housing market is insane, might as well call it "collapsed". If you have money, you can find studio apartments between 900-1.300 euros. Those are much easier to get. Knowing German is a huge advantage. Big comapnies are absolute trash in terms of customer service, especially if you don't know German. Winters are brutal, but IMO worth it.
If you're more tranquil, less on the side of intense night life, other cities might be more your drift. Even small cities are nice.
Compared to the third world, most things are better, but its not utopia either. You have bad shit here too. Crime exists, but much less. Public transportation is great, but it is expensive and could be better. Bike lines exist, but sometimes they're not good. In terms of worse things compared to where I grew up, Germany has way worse bureaucracy, worse service in government offices, worse customer service in monopolized companies, worse home internet connection (depends where you are), (surprisingly) worse labor rights (but much better enforced and better funded, so at the end this isnt a negative tbh), and no air conditioner for the summer.
I like it here.
>>503545Yes.
>>503560Daddy drop the bombs!!
>>503555https://www.rt.com/op-ed/373753-dostoyevsky-putin-russia-dark-soul/>It’s also not the first time journalists have attempted to explain Putin using 19th century writers and philosophers. As Robinson noted on his blog, last year it was Ivan Ilyin — and next year it will probably be someone else who holds the true key to understanding Putin’s soul.kek.
So now, Putin=Dugin, Putin=Vlasov, Putin=Yeltsin, and lastly Putin=Ilyin?
>>503549>>503555Also had Denikin, pogromist white guard, repatriated from America.
He deserves exactly what the Bolsheviks did to the Romanovs, Kornilov, Kolchak, Krasnov and Vlasov.
>>503582Nah. Extremists are simply likely to cheer for the enemies of the US liberal hegemony no matter where it comes from.
/pol/ also likes the DPRK, for example.
>>503577And his grandfather was Lenin's and Stalin's cook, and said Lenin has to stay in the Red Square, so what?…
You will never understand this man if you keep only screeching anarchists' points of view.
>cope>no u. >>503594> And his grandfather was Lenin's and Stalin's cookand Pete Buttigieg's father is a Marxist
> anarchists' points of view> the dude literally building a White Army memorial and mentioning Ilyin in dozens of speecheskeep coping
BLOODCAST WARCASTNOT SO QUIET ON THE ECELEB FRONTCOVERAGE OF THE UKRAINE CRISIS THROUGH THE LENS OF THE ONLINE LEFT
COME CHAT CHILL
RIP YOUR BRAIN CELLS
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcasthttps://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcasthttps://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast >>503534NS2 is probably going to go into service later this year, when it's a politically more opportune moment. The US is powerfull but they can't change the tendency to use more energy and produce it at lower cost. Basically everything that is alive is an entropy maximization machine. If the EU can't get cheap energy it will collapse harder than the USSR, harder than Libya. There is no more possibility for a low energy economy to exist, EU citizens use hundreds if not thousands of times the amount of energy that human biology can generate. Even so called de-industrialized service economies use orders of magnitude more energy than industrialized economies of previous centuries. Even a moderate reduction of energetic flow can cause a complete political collapse. Energy availability determines the level of social complexity that is possible.
This is the opportune time for German leftist to burn the political viability of green neo-liberals to ash, about 50% of German capital relies on gas, the political configuration that can restore gasflow has the best chances at winning.
>>503574Taxes are not that high and you get a lot for them. For me, the biggest issue is that software engineer salaries are low compared to the US. Also, German software companies are somewhat bureaucratic and that sucks.
German people in general are mostly all "middle class" and well educated (or educated enough). Compared to other sides of the world where the difference between a waiter and an office worker is a huge difference in salary and education. In my experience Germans are chill and generally cool, as any other country except the US. German idiosyncrasies are much more straight forward than others so they might seem extremely rude, but its usually just saying things plainly as they are, without so much decorating the responses. You get used to it.
In general, society feels much less degenerated (as in "dissolved", "decomposed") than in other places, especially the US, and people are less physical than say latin america, but still just as nice.
>>503566>Berlin's housing market is insaneis München a joke to you?
>Public transportation is greatkek
>>503611>le moving goalpost, pseud edition>mfw>>503610He's a complex character. If he were a nationalist, he wouldn't bring back the Syrian children, all muslims from muslim families, despite the Kosovo war, despite the hundreds of terror attacks they received during the existence of alqaeda and ISIL, something hardly mentioned in the western media, btw.
The only thing certain is that he wants to bring back glory days for Russia.
>>503608>München I don't know anything, but Berlin's issue is that there are not enough apartments for rent. There's no way in hell München is worse in that regard. We're at the limit of insanity, it can't get any worse (famous last words).
As for public transportation, brah, you have no idea how blessed you are. It's such a nice thing to have. There's even trains you can take besides the metro. 😍😍😍😍
>>503609Lies.
>>503607Why Western Putin stans are so dense?
Exploiting the WW2 victory for PR has nothing to do with socialism/communism, they've been constructing a nation-building myth about the Heroic Russsian People in the last decades with zero connections of it to the USSR aside from the visuals of that time.
>>503620NS2: Gaseus Boogaloo was already stalled by the German government basically at the behest of the US. Scholz promised to cuck to the US a lil a few days ago if something happened in Ukraine. He has to play ball for now.
The question is how this will play long term. Gas is immensely important to Europe. In a pandemic, when gas prices are already high, inflation is already high, and gas reserves are low.
>>503619>Exploiting the WW2 victory for PR has nothing to do with socialism/communism>explooting nationalists' monuments for PR has nothing to do with nationalism, fascism, and monarchism.See how that's a weak argument.
Yeah, better believe that places like the west/NATO that haven't achieved socialism once they have some authority to speak about what has and hasn't to do with communism.
I am not saying he will go back, to communism, despite he explicitly said he would stop the USSR if he could go back in time, but def he's a nuanced person, and the only ultras here are the ones that don't want to fully know integrally the most important man in the Russian history in the what's been the first 2 decades of the 21st century and focus on the things about nationalism, etc.
>>503643Lol yeah so this Ukrainian side won't be much different from before, maybe more aggressive
>>503644Hopefully they choose suicide-by-RAF
>>503642Lmao if Zelensky hands territory over to the Russians he knows that he will get shot by Azov members
>>503646What? Azov is literally integrated in the NAtional army of Ukraine
>>503654Also: "We predicted that exactly this would happen"
LMAO"Will the sanctions work?" "Uh, we're not sure"
>>503662"[the sanctions] definitely will have an impact on every day Russians.
smirks " this absolute ghoul
MSNBC bragging about more NATO troops in Poland, lol
>>503675I think fighting will happen first
>>503658Do you want an argument? Iran defends the Hezbollah militias, highly charge with Marxism and left-leaning positions. Also, Iran is more anti-imperialist than you'd ever be.
But you will deflect, dilate, and be a kautsky as usual. Class traitor.
>>503625He's not exploiting fash philosophers for PR, ffs. He does it without much noise and cite them as his ideological fundamentals when giving long speeches.
Yes, he's a nuanced person because you can't run something as ideologically diverse as Russia as an inflexible fundamentalist, but still he's a true reactionary and a continuation of Yeltsin's project.
MSNBC: NATO troops are symbolic, they will not be put into combat situations unless Russia invades NATO countries. Lol Putin already won
>>503683Ukraine already decided this
>>503677When the USSR dissolved, thanks to neoliberal policies, inequity exploded, illiteracy exploded, endemic diseases that were extinct returned, child prostitution was common. All of this stopped, all data reflects they curved income inequity, GINI coef. lowered, illiteracy was reduced, those diseases were reduced.
Good cope, Russia hater.
>>503686>Germans invade Russia >England, France, America, and Japan Powers invade Russia>Germans invade Russia again >Western Powers strip Russia of their borderlands, have them join NATO>America builds military bases in the basalticWhy wouldn't Russia be nationalistic? Monarchy, Socialism, or Liberalism. Makes no difference what ideology Russia has, they are besieged by the world no matter what, every promised that is made to them is broken. No shit they have become a monster, they are now a monster that the west has created, now its time for the west to get what they deserve.
>>503690Russian leftists support revenge against the west, not Putin. They support revenge against the west because for generations the west has betrayed them.
>>503686>You don't have to look very deep to see the schizophrenic tendencies of modern Russian nationalism>except that the communist party in Russia keeps raising its presence in the Douma.>that information I will ignore it or plainly say they are puppets, etc, etc>You have to truly be delusional to think that Putin's use of Soviet imagery is actually representative of his politics or the class character of his government.It is part of his policies, or else he would de-communize as Poland did, a Ukraine did, as Lithuania did, as did, etc.
The only delusional here, the one cherrypicking some facets of Russia, and always pretending they are imperialists to sideline with NATO arguments is you.
>>503692>When the USSR dissolved, thanks to neoliberal policies, inequity exploded, illiteracy exploded, endemic diseases that were extinct returned, child prostitution was common. All of this stopped, all data reflects they curved income inequity, GINI coef. lowered, illiteracy was reduced, those diseases were reduced.Not that guy. Yes Putin moved the economy left compared to 90s neo-liberalism and he gets points for that. Russia haters are wrong for not recognizing this, but Russia's population is still declining. What's up with that, why isn't there a recovery ?
>>503729you are delusional
>>503704haha
>>503733a daring synthesis
>>503727Well, yes
>>503696>>503688Talking about "arguments" lol
>The ideology of Hizballah also contains features of class analysis. In Leninistthought, conflicts are viewed as the products of struggle between exploited and
exploiting classes. This view is shared by Hizballah although the Leninist terms are Islamized. Thus, the exploited classes are referred to as al-mustad‘afun (a Quranic term which means the downtrodden, or more precisely those who are rendered weak), and the exploiting classes are referred to as al-mustakbirun (another Quranic word that means the arrogant ones, the exact opposite of mustad‘afun) … Like Leninist thought, Hizballah believes that justice and equality can be achieved through human efforts, through a revolutionary process. Hizballah represents a revolutionary version of Shiite Islam. (AbuKhalil 1991, 395)
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/governing-for-revolution/hezbollah/502A7A23B397EE4346E3654A41ED299A(Use sci-hub, etc)
Let's see how you slander Iran and Hezbollah, more.
>>503721>except that the communist party in Russia keeps raising its presence in the DoumaSo? Putin isn't part of the communist party, and every time they actually seriously oppose him on something he arrests their leaders and represses them.
>It is part of his policies, or else he would de-communize as Poland didRussia did de-communize in every practical sense, insofar as it destroyed the institutions of the Soviet Union and restored the power of the bourgeoisie. The only reason why superficial lip service is paid to the USSR is because most Russians view it positively, so denouncing it too aggressively would be political suicide.
>and always pretending they are imperialistsThere are only two kinds of capitalist states: imperialists and aspiring imperialists. Besides, even taking that into account I still would prefer Russia to win the current standoff in Ukraine, so your accusations of me being pro-NATO are foolish.
>>503718if you think that the baltics joining NATO isn't a provocation you don't understand geopolitics
>>503738When the COLD War ended NATO promised not to incorporate ex-communist staes into NATO. NATO broke this promise. NATO is the aggressor.
>>503728Eastern Ukraine is made up of ethinc Russians, no shit people move between Russia and Eastern Ukraine, they are part of the same nation.
>>503764Oh yes, there can't be progressive tendencies in religious thought, folks like Ali Shariati
and Jesus didn't exist
>>503748Pretty based and informative actually, although not sure how we've ended up discussing this in the Ukraine thread.
Make a Hezbollah thread tbqh
>>503753>the people of the republics are all crazy!doesn't really matter
In 2020, a slim majority of Luhansk citizens polled wanted the recognition of the independence of the Republics. (And the opinion was pretty divided, a slim majority in Donetsk agreed with Ukrainian demands). I can find the link if you'd like, Ukrainian poll.
>>503748isnt hezbolla just a palestinian cuck party who vote all the measures the lebanon gov wants?
Like i think they are mostly intrested in antizionism
>>503768What good does complaining about a broken promise do? Blame NATO sure, but the world's most "gullible" and newly minted Russian leaders are also to blame. The betrayal is being entirely externalized when there are people responsible still living in luxury within Russia's borders.
>>503771Yeah, and then there's Yeltsin who needed to get filthy rich so he could quickly drink himself to death like a pre-revolution peasant. If fascism is a bundle of faggots then you could use this definition to call late USSR fascism
this is a joke for the autists reading btw >>503764Wasn't me who brought a shit atlk about Iran.
>>503733BASED a fuck post.
>>503728>implying a single man "funded" shit.>Average people probably just want peace and to be left alone.there were multiple polls indicating this stuff and they said they wanted to be part of Russia, especially after the Odessa events. Even the muslim minorities were polled from time to time just to see if liberals could screech "muh ethnic minorities" and they were consistently happy with 90% supporting Russian assistance.
>>503720>If you really want to understand Russia / Ukraine you have to go ALL THE WAY BACK to the ancient past of 2014According to Ian Traynor, the Guardian's longtime Moscow and Eastern Europe correspondent, the Orange Revolution followed a pattern developed in Yugoslavia to overthrow the government of Slobodan Milošević. After that, it was continued in Georgia as the so-called Rose Revolution.[46] What seemed spontaneous was, according to this account, the result of underground networking within opposition groups. Student activists and academics were the leaders, including the Ukrainian Pora! consisted almost entirely of students. The previously best-known subversive movement was Otpor, a movement of young people and students that helped bring pro-EU Vojislav Kostunica to power in Serbia. In Georgia 2003 the analogue movement was named Kmara. A movement in Belarus is called Subr. It appeared in the local elections in 2004. The Ukrainian student movement Pora! was considered a terrorist organization by some Ukrainian media and security forces. Six Pora! activists were arrested in mid-November 2004 on suspicion of terrorism because explosives, detonators and a grenade were allegedly found on them. Western governments and Yushchenko's supporters, on the other hand, held the Pora! not for a terrorist organization.[46][47][48]
The activists of these movements were trained by a coalition of professional Western advisers, aides and pollsters. The activities were funded and supported by Western governments, agencies and organizations such as the Konrad Adenauer Foundation[49] and - according to the British daily The Guardian - by the US State Department and USAID together with the National Democratic Institute, the International Republican Institute, the Freedom House organization, which is largely funded by the American government, and billionaire George Soros with his Open Society Institute. The German weekly Die Zeit claimed, among other things, that Yushchenko and his circle received at least 65 million US dollars through various channels from the USA alone. The aim of the USA is to expand NATO and weaken the EU in this way. [50][51][46]
Before the elections, Yushchenko also promised that he would tear up the plan for a Eurasian economic area if he won.
>>503596BDE post.
>>503601Disagreeing. Iran is the only state fighting Israel and is taking concrete steps to ensure this happens.
>>503613>>503627>>503693Finally things get some more into motion.
>>503622Even if it is for a few months the additional expenses to cover for heightened gas prices could easily strain Italy Spain and probably even Belgium public finances in Europe or if not addressed simply lead to a wider crisis.
>>503733<Dengoid vs GonzaloidFbi vs CIA arc confirmed?
EXCLUSIVE (Reuters) Biden administration has prepared export controls to hit Russian companies with alleged military ties and deny Russians access to global technology, including electronics and computershttps://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1496170434290724878The game is stepping up, AGAIN.
Very fond of these developments.
>>503808SMIC is gonna receive A LOT of money.
Also Huawei and Xiaomi.
>>503791>the working class needs religious reactionaries like a hole in the head.cool idealism bro
yeah the people of lebanon should just bootstrap themselves to being based MLs
the materialist dialectic is irrelevant after all unless the people fighting in it meet the correct ideological conditions
this is definitely what marx and lenin though
>>503825Not the high quality shit.
China has problems going under 28nm lithography iirc.
>>503816He talks a lot about imperialism, yet he slanders to hell the resistance forces that kicks the imperialists balls. The guy is a threat.
>>503806Aw more atlanticism cope.
>>503817Why would they?
Like, is there any logic to your question or you just want russia go dengist for whatever reason and hoping any random event will cause that?
>>503842Once Putin dies, Russia will probably fucking devour itself.
China, on the other hand, has a perfectly functioning Party and will continue on without Xi.
>>503842Say what you want about the PRC but the CPC does NOT rely on Xi, as good as he is, and its mechanisms of governance are strong and far reaching inside Chinese society. Worse thing that could happen is some glow attempt that's likely to be subdued either by the nationalist element or the socialist elements within the party.
Putin's is not a statesman in the same caliber as Xi and the CPC, his death will make Russia descend into turmoil where oligarchs will duke it out like warlords era China.
>>503854If so is a win for Putin.
I don't think that will happen though.
NATO war machine is on turbo mode.
>>503854Scholz already said it is.
>>503851Russia has pondered between capitalism letting its people die or protecting its people. The second it is what they aim.
>And Putin's conclusion that “the Leninist principles of state building turned out to be not just a mistake, it was, as they say, much worse than a mistake. After the collapse of the USSR in 1991, this became absolutely obvious, ” is also obvious as untenable and even false. Lenin's principles were tested by the Great Patriotic War, in which Putin's friends, his favorite philosopher and the striped flag fought on the other side of the front - on the side of the Nazis. This is a historical fact and the main class conclusion. Putin is trying to get away from this: “ Of course, the events of the past cannot be changed, but we must at least speak about them directly and honestly, without any reservations, and without any political overtones.” This is lovely. It's like - without political overtones? Just stupidity? The class output is Vlasov and Bandera then fought on the same side of the front! Today? It seems to be among themselves, but in reality they work together for the interests of the most powerful and reactionary capitals.
>>503884He deeply wants the pipeline to be killed, he would actually know about this, yes he's a freak
>>503882Where was working class communism in 2006? Should Hezbollah have ceded that territory to Israel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War >>503898However Putins minions western assets are well documented and that will hurt their big egos and spoiled children a lot.
> What do you mean we can't go to our mansion in Spain this easter dad? You telling us we have to gotto Sochi?This coupled with average Russians getting poorer surely to have an impact
>>503907STFU pseud. That's defeatism that Lenin threw into the trash can.
Hezbollah the fighters are not only popular and interconnected with the working class (who else but workers made the rockets that wrecked zionist's skie, the tunnels that interconnected areas of occupied Palestine, and more recently), the zionist state of Israel has used all his PR to satanize them and sabotage the socialist takes they have. You pathetic krautkyism can't understand they managed to Islamize Marxism up to some point, as Mao sinicized Marx. And any revolutionary man should be proud of this processes.
You couldn't anglonize Marx even if you were given half a millenia of life to do it, because you are:
Class traitor, chauvinistic, imperialist, and pseud poser.
>>503914You're honestly fascinating, you have the exact politics of a stalinist's caricature of trots/leftcom ultras but fervently consider yourself a stalinist.
Its like you got the manual for being a vulgar ML but were too stupid to not confuse what your 'enemies' politics were supposed to be and what yours were.
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