No.503155[Last 50 Posts]
WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE EDITIONLet's maintain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
LIVE UPDATES AND COMMENTARYhttps://liveuamap.com/>Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass: https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexac>Updates from a pro-Donetsk, Ukrainian-speaking US veteran from the region:https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday>For Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
INTERNATIONAL LAW CONTEXT AND HISTORYThe Crimea Crisis: An International Law Perspective
https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/Marxsen_2014_-_The_crimea_crisis_-_an_international_law_perspective.pdfInternational reactions to the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_FederationLATEST NEWSUkraine shelled two schools in the Donetsk region, killing one person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-IC-u-yl70Vladimir Putin has ordered Russian troops to “maintain peace” in two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine, hours after the Russian president recognised Donetsk and Luhansk as independent entities.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/21/us-warns-of-possible-targeted-killings-by-russia-live-newsKYIV (Reuters) -Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy accused Russia of wrecking peace efforts and ruled out making any territorial concessions in an address to the nation in the early hours of Tuesday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-has-destroyed-peace-efforts-but-we-wont-give-up-any-of-our-land-zelenskiy-says/ar-AAU8Cfd?ocid=BingNewsBRUSSELS — A top European Union official says Russia's recognition of the Ukrainian separatist regions of Luhansk and Donetsk as independent states and to send troops into the territories is an "act of war."
https://www.startribune.com/the-latest-eu-says-russias-moves-are-act-of-war/600149191/WASHINGTON, Feb 21 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin's decision to send troops he called peacemakers into breakaway regions of Ukraine did not constitute a further invasion that would trigger a broader sanctions package, a Biden administration official told Reuters on Monday, but the White House believes a full invasion could come at any time.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-casts-doubt-biden-summit-with-putin-eyes-new-sanctions-tuesday-official-2022-02-21/WASHINGTON, February 22. /TASS/. US President Joe Biden signed a decree on sanctions over Russia’s recognition of the sovereignty of the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR and DPR). The document, among other things, establishes a ban for Americans to finance and invest in the DPR and LPR as well as on trade with the republics.
https://tass.com/world/1407797Boris Johnson will chair a meeting of the UK’s emergency Cobra committee on Tuesday morning to sign off a package of sanctions against Russia after its military occupation of the two breakaway states in eastern Ukraine.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/21/uk-impose-sanctions-russia-attack-ukraine-sovereigntyLeaders from the European Union and the United Kingdom vowed Monday to impose sanctions over Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to recognize two separatist regions in eastern Ukraine as independent.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/21/us-warns-of-possible-targeted-killings-by-russia-live-newsACTIVE STREAMSRT Live:
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash No.503157
nichts Burger
No.503158
nada de hamburguesa
No.503162
>>503157If the expectation was open war between US/NATO and Russia, then of course nothing was going to happen. However, Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014, when Luhansk and Donetsk regions declared independence from Ukraine following the Euromaidan protest/coup d'état. What we're seeing now is the same playbook Putin used for Crimea.
>region with majority Russian-speakers has a referendum on leaving Ukraine>majority vote yes>Russia "supports" from a distance (or so they say)>Ukraine tries to regain the territory>Russia moves troops in for peacekeeping and to protect the Russian populationMy prediction for the
>near futureis that LPR and DPR will become Russian satellite states (perhaps getting annexed years down the line, but not this generation). Ukraine will broker a peace deal relatively soon, after they realise US/NATO is not going to help them against Russia. Ukraine will continue to shake its fists at Donetsk and use them as a Big Other in anti-Russian, nationalist propaganda.
>Not-so-near-but-not-so-distant-future:Everyone will move on, except the seething Ukrainian neo-Nazis that will only become further radicalised, and will be a big problem, especially as their ideology spreads and they receive more funding from around the world because of this "invasion". I wonder how much of the military equipment being sent currently is arming the Azov Battalion. We'll never know, and it's probably more than they say.
No.503163
>>503161ngl I kinda hope thats it for this year. Leave a man rest.
No.503164
>>503161>and most or all of Ukraine Russia will stop at the border of the LPR and DPR-declared/claimed territory. For all the screams about "international law", Putin is walking a fine line. LPR and DPR voted in a referendum to be independent from Ukraine, majority are Russian speakers and millions of them have Russian passports. It's not much different than what KFOR is doing in Kosovo.
>Kosovo Force (KFOR) is currently deployed in the Balkans to maintain a safe and secure environment, freedom of movement for all citizens in Kosovo and to facilitate the Euro-Atlantic integration of the Western Balkans.>facilitate the Euro-Atlantic integration of the Western Balkanshttps://shape.nato.int/ongoingoperations/nato-mission-in-kosovo-kfor-US/NATO support separatist movements when it suits them and their allies, e.g. Kosovo, but is against them when the movements are inconvenient for them and their allies, e.g. Catalonia.
No.503165
Lenin founded Ukraine, therefore I stand with them.
No.503169
Bourgeois nationalists, Ukrainian or Russian fascists, should have their eyes removed with rusty spoons.
No.503174
>>503169The most based post in this thread.
For all you complaining about the Azov Batallion, never forget Russia's own Neo Nazis fight with the separatists.
It is WORKERS OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE - Marxism should offer no support to bourgeois nationalists or fascists!
No.503176
>>503169Quit seething. No one should like Putin, but if they’re able to at least make NATO back down, then it’s good for both the development of Russian Communism and possibly communism around the world.
No.503178
>>503174So what? If by some miracle Russia gets communists to ascend back into power, the Russian Nazis can all hang. But NATO boxing in Russia and maybe even overtaking it will make a world that’s a fuck of a lot safer for Nazism than Russia pushing back NATO
No.503179
Russian Duma reportedly considering legislation to mandate Ukraine threads a Leninhat-free Zone
No.503180
>>503174>We should do no such thing because St. Karl told us so You can’t avoid this sort of conflict, it’s actually gonna happen and one outcome makes it easier for communism to overtake the world and one outcome makes it harder. Grow the fuck up
No.503181
>>503174They also have Communists fighting alongside them and communist parties within their respective Governments.
I'm not saying these people aren't worth criticism, far from it, but there is a chance that these polities have the ability to become their own socialist govs
alongside the chance that they could also crash and burn into reactionary goo Fact is, these seperatists have launched a meaningful resistance against Ukranian fascism. It's not fully socialist, of course, but it's an opportunity to stick it to NATO and to stick it to the Azov Battalion.
No.503183
>>503178"If by some miracle".
Yes exactly, by some 'miracle'. There is no chance of it happening.
The KPRF are completely useless and do whatever Putin says. They aren't going to get into power, at least not into any sort of meaningful position.
>>503180'St. Karl'.
Unsurprisingly the pro-Russian types outright admit they've no interest in actual Marxism and resort to the sort of revisionist phraseology of socdems and radlibs.
The real person who has to grow up is you, and accept there isn't a good outcome.
>>503181The 'Communist' movement in these regions are little more than people with nostalgia for the Soviet Union who conflate socialism with Russian nationalism.
The problem is 'sticking it to the Azov' battalion has now involved them bringing in National Bolsheviks and Russian National Unity.
It reveals a lot that so many people here will shout about Ukrainian Neo-Fascists, yet their anti-fascism only lasts as long as the flag the fascists march under is Yellow and Blue.
No.503184
>>503162You should really chek out Transnistria, Abhazia, Osetia.
No.503185
>>503183>Unsurprisingly the pro-Russian types outright admit they've no interest in actual Marxism and resort to the sort of revisionist phraseology of socdems and radlibs.You're projecting faggot.
No.503186
I think it's time to dedust this essay by Vladislav Surkov who was one of the top Russian advisors involved in the Ukraine situation. It gives an insight on how the Kremlin's big shots are reasoning.
We had a thread about it at some point but I don't know if it's been archived.
https://actualcomment-ru.translate.goog/kuda-delsya-khaos-raspakovka-stabilnosti-2111201336.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp No.503187
>>503186>This translation service isn't available in your regionBruh
No.503189
>>503169For me its /thread
Even if i don't believe in glorifying violence
No.503190
>>503189You're buying into naive moralism. Fascist are useful when they're killing eachother.
No.503191
>>503190Except the part where it's workers that die by the millions
No.503192
>>503191Don't worry war doesn't work that way anymore. Once the advance equipment is destroyed the war ends, see Armenia-Azerbijan. Only a few thousand people will die.
No.503193
>>503187>he can't read and understand Russian cyrillicwait, how do you read Lenin then?
No.503194
>>503169>>503174>>503183Based takes Comrades! Anti-Revisionists are the adults who understand that taking sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts and picking one group of Fascists over another will not lead to Socialism, but instead will lead to being a obscure footnote of history. The only path forward is Protracted People’s War against all Capitalist, Imperialist, Comprador, Fascist, Liberal, and Revisionist states worldwide (first in the Periphery and Semi-Periphery countries, and once material conditions deteriorate enough, in the Imperial Core itself). LONG LIVE THE PROTRACTED PEOPLES WARS IN INDIA, THE PHILIPPINES, TURKEY, AND PERU! LONG LIVE MARXISM-LENINISM-MAOISM! WORKERS AND OPPRESSED NATIONS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
No.503195
>>503190Fascists are cowards who prefer mowing down civilians over killing the other team's fascists.
Unless you manage to lock down all fascists in one room, the collateral damage is too high
No.503196
>>503194take your meds schizo
No.503198
>>503196Among people who warmonger for one side or another he might not be the craziest of all
No.503199
>>503198His post history says otherwise.
No.503200
>>503193I have the revolting hypothesis that Lenin had been sufficiently well known to have his work translated in other languages than his own.
No.503201
>>503200traduttore, traditore tho
No.503202
>>503196Is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism “Schizo” to you, Revisionist?
No.503203
>>503190The problem is we have no vanguard poised to take advantage of that.
>>503194Ppw is having close to 0 results in Turkey and Peru, little results in the Philippine and in India even if they're having results they're simply gaining back previously lost strength.
Btw Myanmar is also having a ppw, you should know since it's people from your tendency waging it (sadly with Gonzalo influences which will probably spoil everything).
No.503204
>>503202You are schizo, also retarded.
No.503205
Pure ideology
No.503206
>>503202Gonzalo? Yes.
Sison? No. even if i don't 100% agree with him.
No.503207
>>503202>Is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism “Schizo”yes, yes it is
No.503208
>>503203No need for vanguard, but there is a need for organized workers. Something that did happen in Donbass back in 2014.
No.503209
Are there pro-Russian demonstrations in other parts of the country and shit? Or too early?
No.503210
>>503183I was reading a statement by the Russian Communist Workers' Party (RKRP-CPSU) on Donbass and I'll post some experts below. This group seems to position itself to the left of the KPRF as an anti-revisionist-type organization and also endorsed the KRPF's proposal to recognize the republics.
>The imperialists always compete fiercely with each other, and it is in their interest to weaken the competitor. The example of the fight against Nord Stream for the sake of capturing the European market with liquefied gas from the United States is very indicative. Just business, as the gentlemen say. And the sweat of the essence is an unbridled thirst for profit! It is precisely for this that it is beneficial for Western imperialists to play off the peoples of Russia and Ukraine, thereby logically continuing the destruction of the legacy of the Soviet Union. They succeed to a large extent. But the basis of the movement of resistance to their misanthropic policy is the working class of Donbass, those same miners and tractor drivers, whose contribution to the rebuff to the Nazis was recalled by Putin. Soviet sentiment prevailed in this movement, and the red flags of the USSR were symbols of this struggle. Naturally, the desire of the bourgeoisie of all competing parties to suppress this resistance - and in this they are not enemies, but like-minded people and allies.
>That is why we constantly explain to the working people that it is possible and necessary to exploit the cracks in the camp of capital, but one must be vigilant. The Russian authorities, who are currently providing situational assistance to Donbass, are at the same time constantly bargaining with the United States and the EU, and at any moment they can betray and sell, cross out the results of the selfless struggle of the working people of Donbass against the Nazis.
>We Communists stand on the point of view that there is no peace and unity with the fascists, and there cannot be. That the existence of people's republics, even in the current status of "unrecognized" for the workers, is much more preferable than their submission to fascist punishers. And if you manage to achieve recognition - even better. It is better to achieve the unification of the forces of the LNR and the DNR in a single alliance, as, for example, was proposed in the Novorossiya project in 2014. But we never lose sight of perspective. And the best prospect for the people of Donbass is the victory of socialism both in Russia and in Ukraine. Then the question of where and how to enter would become an irrelevant question, and it would be decided by the working people themselves, uniting in a new state of workers and peasants - the new Soviet Union. This is the most preferred status for the working people!
>The main direction of the struggle for this goal is the organization of the working class through the unification of the Workers' Front, workers' trade unions, workers' councils, and the strengthening of the communist organizations of the republics. In the parliament's appeal to the president, the deputies praise the unrecognized republics for allegedly " democratic bodies have been built in them on the basis of the will of the people."Yes, nothing like that! The original revolutionary spirit of people's democracy has long been lost in the DNR and LNR. The largely naive, sincere impulses to establish real people's power, for which the brigade commander Mozgovoy, the people's commanders Dremov, Givi, Motorola, Batman and other militia leaders who were killed under unclear circumstances and customers, were buried. Through the efforts of the local and Russian bourgeoisie, the usual reactionary capitalist regimes were established, with curtailed democracy, with a high degree of exploitation of workers, social stratification, with the power of criminalized capital under the slogan of "people's democracy", which is essentially a bourgeois dictatorship. Their abominations, from non-payment of wages and the ban on any protests and strikes to the removal of militias, workers, those same miners and tractor drivers from participation in political life and in elections, the authorities cynically cover up martial law. So the comrades in the Donbass have to fight in particularly difficult conditions. And the working class of Donbass, as well as the working class of Russia and Ukraine, will face a common struggle against the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
>The Communists at the Lugansk Conference in 2019 determined: the struggle for the workers' cause is our strategy! It must be unifying for all the forces fighting against fascism, and hence against capitalism. The theme of the Labor Front, the struggle for the workers' cause, is the strategic direction of the general struggle. It should be uniting for all workers' organizations of Donbass, Russia, Ukraine, all countries!
>Victory will be for the workers!https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2022/02/16/46848/ No.503211
Anyone what the russian communists are feeling about the situation?
No.503213
>>503211Literally the post above you
>>503210 No.503214
>>503213i just noticed lol
No.503216
>>503183>The 'Communist' movement in these regions are little more than people with nostalgia for the Soviet Union who conflate socialism with Russian nationalism.>Despite the fact that these places have Communist parties. And again, why wouldn't they have Nostaglia? Say what you will about the USSR, but the USSR protected the Russian people from fascism, something the people of these seperatist republics are victims of.
>The problem is 'sticking it to the Azov' battalion has now involved them bringing in National Bolsheviks and Russian National Unity. This is where the "critical" from Critical support comes from. However, keep in mind, the Communist Party of Russia was one of the first to propose the independance of these seperatist republics. They clearly see the potential in these republics fighting nato and becoming independant, why can't you? You can call them and myself optimistic, and I will agree, but there's still a chance where these projects ought to be
critically supported.
>It reveals a lot that so many people here will shout about Ukrainian Neo-Fascists, yet their anti-fascism only lasts as long as the flag the fascists march under is Yellow and Blue.Putinoids notwithstanding, I think you and I can agree that Russia is a reactionary oligarchy, but keep in mind Socialist nations have also allied with Capitalist ones. Are we going to forget the allies of WWII? Beggars can't be choosers, anon. Russia, unlike the USA hasn't placed embargoes on China, the AANES, Vietnam or Cuba. They're not NATO members. Are they perfect? Far from it, but they're a valuable asset in this fight. It's up to these Seperatist Republics to form their own destiny- whether they become Russian proxy states or their own autonomous nations (which Russia seems to imply they are) is yet to be seen.
No.503217
>>503194>adults who understand that taking sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts and picking one group of Fascists over another will not lead to Socialism, but instead will lead to being a obscure footnote of historyaren't you the guy who was always saying we had to vote for brandon over drumpf?
No.503218
>>503217hahhahahahhahaa And they have the gall to say the CPUSA is a branch of the democratic party.
No.503220
I WANT BLOOD
No.503221
can someone give me one good reason that Russia shouldn't just join NATO?
No.503222
>>503221They tried and were rejected.
No.503223
>>503222why dont they just surrender then??
No.503225
>>503224I thought this was common knowledge?
No.503227
>>503165>Ukraine didn't exist before Leninok
No.503228
>>503225Doesn't fit well in the based anti imperialist russia narrative a number of people here defend, yesterday some dude became increasingly mad when it was pointed out that Russia worked closely with NATO until 2014. Reading the Caleb Maupin tweets and Russia Today articles too much will do that to your brain.
No.503230
>>503227Lenin literally created Ukraine, so it’s funny when leftypol rushes to the defense of fascist Russia. Please read your books.
No.503232
>>50323060% of Ukraine territory was given by the tzars, and Crimea was given by Khruschev.
No.503233
>>503229maybe the "Lukhansk authorities" ought to go fuck themselves?
No.503235
Has anything really changed? It's not like there weren't any Russian troops in Donbas before, right?
No.503236
>>503233Ukraine should heed those demands if they know what's good for themselves.
No.503237
>>503232Lenin created both Ukraine and Azerbaijan, both of which “belonged” to Russia and Iran.
No.503238
>>503165To be fair, Ukraine already had its own republic before either Lenin, Makhno or other revolutionaries came about (though this was during 1917 when you had various factions vying for autonomy).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_People%27s_Republic No.503241
>>503230yeah, good, ok
retard
No.503243
>>503237Its not up for discussion, its literally basic history.
Ukraine pre existed Lenin.
What changed with the USSR was its extension, and most of all that Khruschev fucked up.
No.503244
>>503235Now there's a lot more and it's official. They also want to "peacekeep" until the whole of the regions which are currently only partially controlled by separatists are finally united under the newly recognized states while the Ukrainian government says it will have none of it. So we can reasonably expect shit to hit the fan sooner rather than latter.
No.503245
>>503230>Lenin created Ukraine>despite previous independant Ukranian states and polities existing before the Ukranian SSR. Come on lad, the CURRENT Ukraine was done on a basis of ex-soviet republics, which declared independence from Russia. I'd hardly say thats the work of Lenin.
No.503246
>>503243Ukraine literally never existed prior to the USSR, the word ukraini means boundary in Russian, you retarded cumskin faggot
No.503247
>>503246Read a fucking book
No.503248
Was the decision to recognize the independence of the republics something putin wanted to do or was he forced into it by the KPRF and the duma?
No.503250
>>503249It was Ruthenia (Kievan Rus), not Ukraine.
No.503251
>>765304
Imagine unironically thinking the historical tradition of ukraine was magically ushered into existence by le greatman in some random year. Shut the fuck up baizuo. Англомовники повні дауни це ващє, мені прям страшно як це ж можна що англо такі безмозглі
No.503255
>>503251Украина ненастоящая, а вы коммунист, значит, ваше мнение не имеет значения.
No.503257
>>765319
False flag?
No.503258
>>503235Exactly. But now they're there openly. Just like it happened in Crimea. Remember the pictures of all the soldiers without insignia who turned out to be Russian? Then when he was ready to recognise Crimea's referendum and annex them, he said he's moving soldiers in.
There won't be a war because it is a geopolitical game, Washington knows it, Moscow knows it, EU knows it. NATO expanded into the Baltics and Balkans, including bases in Kosovo. Bulgaria is in EU. Romania is in EU and is gonna host more NATO troops (
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/europe/top-stories/president-iohannis-romania-ready-to-host-nato-troops/).
Russia has Serbia and Montenegro in its "sphere of influence". Out of Eastern Europe they have Belarus left. "The West" has surrounded Russia on the European side. Ukraine fell in 2014 to Western interests. Since then they tried to do the same in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Putin also made a few moves, he either created or saw an opportunity to create a bit of a buffer with Ukraine. That's why there won't be a military response from NATO, only sanctions. It wasn't a war of aggression he's just backing separatists. While the US may scream about international law being broken, the US did the same in Serbia. US was the first to recognise Kosovo and gave a warning to Serbia if they tried to take it back they'll bomb them into oblivion.
The rhetoric going back and forth between the US, UK, EU and Russia is just the show they put on for the public. The US has been talking about "invasion of Ukraine" because they backed Ukraine on their increased shelling and attacks on Donbas. The media isn't reporting it, but they are shelling civilian cities, it is a campaign of terror to make the population submit.
Economic sanctions are the real weapon and it's gonna be the people of Donbas and Eastern Ukraine that suffer. NATO won't stop expanding and putting as much materiél they can as close to Russia as they can, and Russia won't just stand there and watch as they're surrounded. Maybe the next few presidents won't attack Russia while Putin is alive, but that puts Russia into a shitty position in the future. This military infrastructure will stay in place, be continously modernised, so future Russia will be a trapped country, surrounded by enemies. Putin could very well be afraid that a future Russian president might be aggressive and nationalistic, because that sentiment is rising everywhere, and actually attack surrounding countries, resulting in the end of Russia.
Ultimately, NATO buildup around Russia serves no purposes other than to provoke Russia, to dare them to do something drastic. They are not protecting Europe. Why would Russia attack Europe, one of its top customers for gas? They're building Nord Stream 2, it would be fucking retarded to have a war. Fucking US is going to be the end of us all.
No.503259
>>765319Nice try.
>>503257Ofc anon.
You know you broke somebody brains when he start using your flag lol.
I keep living rent free in people's minds.
No.503260
>>503259I'm surprised false flagging is not bannable, only samefagging is.
>4) Pretending to be multiple users ('samefagging') in order to fake popularity or start drama will usually result in a ban. Imitating a staff member is banned. No.503261
EU SANCTIONS PACKAGE ON RUSSIA INCLUDES NORD STREAM 2, AUSTRIA SAYShttps://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1495999576138186754EU handing a W to Biden?
No.503262
>>503255Ми вас собак вигнали у 1945ому і ще раз можемо)
No.503263
Ukraine is fake, anyone who disputes this doesn’t understand basic history. Ukrainians are a dog race of Russians that Russians have to keep in line.
No.503264
>>503261Owning themselves for the libs
No.503265
>>503262Я не антикоммунист, однако вижу недостатки в идеологии признания Украины страной. Ты лично ничего не сделаешь, потому что я трахаю твою шлюху-мать, ты, тупая сука.
No.503266
>>503260>I'm surprised false flagging is not bannableBecause users don't own flags. Anyone can choose any flag they wish. It doesn't become "your flag". If anything, flagfagging should be banned alongside namefagging and avatarfagging.
No.503267
>>765342
>CIA has entered the chat
No.503270
Ok this time i promise to be racist only toward Ukrainians so no ban plz.
No.503272
>>503258I'm the comment you responded to. You seem knowledgable on this.
How can Europe, from within NATO, press the issue of its interest in favorable economic ties with Russia? It seems that a European détente with China is gaining more and more steam as the political sphere is becoming aware of the mutual advantages to be gained. Yet because of military concerns and the he-said-she-said game of NATO encirclement of Russia/Russian-Belarusian encirclement of Ukraine this rhetoric becomes hard to translate when it comes to Euro-Russian relations.
From what I've seen, France and Germany aren't exactly thrilled to take a hard line against Russia as they aren't as eager as the US to get Ukraine into NATO in the first place, even though Scholtz seems slightly more hawkish than Merkel. So what happens now? Go too hard on sanctions and you risk hurting the economy. Give Russia what they want and you risk alienating the US.
No.503273
>>503268He's fighting to make the world multipolar so it's good for the global working class currently under the boot of anglo hegemony… Hey wait a minute!
No.503274
>>503272Scholtz is hostile? I think any hostility is due to the German green party being in charge of foreign policy in the coalition government. The greens are lapdogs of the US.
No.503275
Is it true that Putin went full schizo on live TV and shitted on Bolsheviks and Lenin? After all these were foreign imperialist actors in the glorious white ethno state of r*ssian empire.
No.503276
>>503275He went full revisionist, made power moves to make everyone else agree with his decision. Called Ukrainian state an illegitimate regime. Honestly, it sounded like a declaration of war, this man is a fucking psycho obsessed with power and money
No.503277
beep beep
No.503279
>>503275he has already shit on lenin for "destroying" russia rather than putting it on the map
No.503280
Russia vs Ukraine is literally just neonazis fighting each other with neoliberal vampires (NATO) trying to profit off it.
No.503282
>>503275>>503276Putin shits on communists all the time anyway
No.503284
>>503261Anons what will it bePost 0 for the cucking of Europe
Post 1 for the slow collapse of NATO
No.503288
>>503284hope for 1
prepare for 0
No.503289
The Ukrainian government might abandon the eastern parts of the country. They're evacuating from Kiev already. Ukraine east of the Dnieper could fall into disorder and Russia is already at the doorstep ready to fill the power vacuum. The question remains if that constitutes an invasion.
No.503291
>>503289its up to western powers what constitutes an "invasion"
No.503292
>>503289theyll be sanctioned anyway so why does it even matter so much
No.503295
<'Ukraine was entirely created by Russia’
>“I’ll start with the fact that modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia, more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began almost immediately after the revolution of 1917, and Lenin and his associates did it in a very rude way towards Russia itself – by separating, tearing away from it part of its own historical territories. Of course, no one asked about anything to the millions of people who lived there.”
>“Then, on the eve and after the Great Patriotic War, Stalin already annexed to the USSR and transferred to Ukraine some lands that previously belonged to Poland, Romania and Hungary. At the same time, as a kind of compensation, Stalin endowed Poland with part of the original German territories, and in 1954 Khrushchev for some reason took away Crimea from Russia and also gave it to Ukraine. Actually, this is how the territory of Soviet Ukraine was formed.”
<'Lenin squeezed Donbas into Ukraine’
>"As a result of the Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called “Ukraine named after Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.” He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archival documents, including Lenin’s harsh directives on the Donbas, which was literally squeezed into Ukraine. And now “grateful descendants” have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine.”
No.503296
Ми створили россію - москалі були українці
No.503299
>>503297How is this cucking out? German economy is taking a hit if they are going to ship LNG with tankers.
No.503300
>>503297This is the future you chose Germany
>>503298 No.503301
Too much /pol/ brainrot ITT.
No.503302
>>503283>And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunisation. Do you want decommunisation? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine.this actually sounds sinister af
No.503303
>>503299They are acting contrary to their own interests and bowing to the American ones.
No.503304
>>503298This, tbh. As a member of the Workers' Party of Belgium, energy prices have skyrocketed here and it's helped mobilize people to an extent I haven't seen before, even ones that never had communist sympathies before.
This could be huge.
No.503306
>>503298Don't worry, austerity will fix everything ;)
No.503309
>>503308but this time it'll work! Or maybe…you don't trust Germany?
No.503311
>>503310>Transformer caught fire after Russian forces shelled Luhanska Poewer Plant in Schastia-Wait the Ukranian army are using mechas?
cool
No.503313
>>503311transformers are cybernetic organisms, not mechas
No.503314
>>503311Finally a new way to make liberals understand this conflict: Ukraine is autobots and Russia is Decepticon.
No.503315
Germany:
Closing nuclear plants this year
+
Cancelling NS2
+
Possible sanctions on their main gas supplier
+
Not lowering VAT on energy
=
Rising production costs
=
Rising inflation
=
Lower exports
=
Worse economy
This is one of the dumbest decisions any country has made in the past and Germany will suffer greatly from this if they go down this path
All thanks to the Green Party btw
No.503316
>>503315yeah lol maybe I go to Austria for a bit. Reverse Hitler
No.503317
>>503315green party in every western country are secretly primitivist who want to destroy civilisation
No.503318
>>503315The SPD finally manages to win elections and they gotta deal with post-covid, increase in energy prices and a fucking war lmao
No.503321
>>503317Ted but not based
No.503322
>>503318I had this conspiracy that the CDU wanted to lose (I mean whos less likable than Laschet) and while I am sure Russia wasnt even considered for that - smart move. The SPD goes back to being a naughty little coalition partner and the FDP will be dead forever
No.503323
>>503315Those old ass nuclear plants are probably past their end of life and disasters waiting to happen. It's already fucking expensive to maintain even with exploiting the nigerian workforce doing the cake in who knows what conditions, risking to spend hundreds of billions for clean up operations is certainly not worth it. It was the right move to close the program. Now they'll just buy more renewables and batteries from China, big win.
No.503325
>>503323green parties generally have a pathological rejection of nuclear energy, even if its "pragmatic" its also ideological
No.503326
>>503323>Now they'll just buy more renewables and batteries from China, big win.Something positive from this.
No.503327
>>503323You got duped by anti-nucleae schizos. The reality is the plants were safe and one of the cheapest energy sources.
No.503328
>>503327I wish I could force redditors like you to work in the nigerian mines or the Fukushima clean up crews
No.503329
>>503283If the UkroNazis don't like it they can always put the statues of Lenin back up
No.503330
War at any moment right?
No.503331
>>503328>batteries don't need miningYou are a moron.
No.503333
This Nu-Cold war is fucking garbage.
No.503339
>>503338No matter, he is hegelian as seen in the clip
No.503340
>>503339What does this even mean lol
No.503341
>>503338I'm surprised at how much his inferior dwarf syndrome has progressed
No.503342
>>503298>>503304Can the ruling class simply pin the blame on immigrants and weasel out?
At least, for a decade or so.
No.503343
>>503307>Kazakhstan Ignored by western media and swiftly crushed by based the anti-imperialist countries Russia and China.
>UkraineWestern media screeching 24/7 about Putler while supporting Azov and UKROP.
No.503345
>>503340It means you are a liberal
No.503347
>>503345You just say random words. I think, you don't know what they mean.
No.503348
>>503347I know more than you.
No.503349
>>503344It got cancelled 20 minutes ago.
No.503352
>>503328>Batteries and solar panels grow on treesjesus christ, this is the state of the green left
No.503353
>>503346t. hasn't read Hegel (and therefore doesn't understand Marx)
No.503354
So as of now
>Russia got LNR and DNR
<Biden got LNG shipments to Europe
The only complete loser as of now is Europe.
No.503357
>>503354>Biden got LNG shipments to Europedepends, euros still have to build receiving terminals for US LNG ships
No.503358
>>503355<Azerbaijan into NATOWe are going to go from flashpoint to flashpoint, aren't we?
No.503359
>>503357They have some in Southern Europe. This is a real mess. Economic suicide
No.503364
>>503363Luka is a big guy.
No.503367
>>503363>>503364He's just 1.82 m, basically a manlet
No.503369
>>503359We have a few in Italy, but Russian gas is over 30% of our gas imports and the idiotic plan of the government is to increae national gas production despite the fact it'll never cover such a loss.
No.503372
>>503323>probably Opinion discarded
No.503375
>>503370>NS2 dead<Russia not even sending troopsThey're snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
No.503376
>>503371europe gonna austerize their people just to please sam. at what point does the world say enough with sam and his bs? there's got to be one.
No.503377
>>503376Do you know what happens when a country says "enough with sam", right?
No.503378
>>503377sure but i was thinking along the lines of a critical mass where enough do it at once
No.503379
>>503366>>503374These are different people
No.503380
>>503378The only way EU can renounce to nato is with the institution of a european army and that's pretty hard to achieve.
No.503381
>>503380This is why anti-EU fags just want us to be American puppets forever, Europe can only be free by uniting
No.503382
>>503381EU is a capitalist neoliberal cartel.
No.503383
>>503381and yet EU is also used to be cucked by NATO. Its as if America wont let us loose, EU or not
No.503385
>>503381EU means perma-austerity, I beg you to read about that.
No.503386
>>503381shut. the. fuck. up. liberal.
No.503387
>>503338>Is it possible, that Putin is an anticommunist? Imagine being surprised from this
No.503388
>>503381pure unadulterated retardation
fuck off you moron
No.503389
>>503313>robots in disguise aren't mechatransformers are mecha
t. /m/
No.503390
>>503268literally the only lesson you can learn from Munich 1938 is that you should never believe westoids, lmao
and Ukraine fucking failed this lesson, lmao
No.503391
>>503319if you really wanna avoid war, youd blame the crazy us and europeans agressive geopolitical move backing nazis rather than russia securing its borders
No.503392
>>503338Yes, but his comment there is that Ukraine as a state was created by the USSR and the modern Ukrainian government is embarking on "de-communization" and if they want to go all the way the entire state needs to be dissolved :^)
No.503393
>>503169This wasn't actually me, but I agree.
The proletariat has no allies.
>>503384Gotta love how fash always sneer that Leninism is outdated when their century old ideology was created by the bourgeoisie as their response.
No.503394
https://youtu.be/LiYL1fuxrBcWatch this and tell me with a straight face Russia is an "ally" to socialism and not another imperialist, chauvinist shithole
This was made totally unironically
No.503395
>>503202> RevisionistSaying this just makes you sound like a New Age Christian/Muslim
I wonder how Marx himself would have felt about being deified and his followers treating him like a prophet and fighting against other Marxists that are “heretics”
No.503396
>>503202>Is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism “Schizo” yeah lol
No.503398
>>503233Would you rather thousands of civilians die for your own entertainment?
No.503399
>>503342At least in Belgium, communists are currently strongly in control of the narrative surrounding VAT on energy. It remains to be seen whether Die Linke can do the same in Germany. Despite their faults I am firmly convinced there is a lot of potential for communist organization here.
The Workers' Party of Belgium and KKE must coordinate further from within their respective overarching orgs (ICMWP and INITIATIVE, respectively). They are the most important voices in European communism today, imo, although I'm obviously biased.
No.503400
>>503397It's a totally retarded idea but then again they are totally retarded people so there is a chance of it happening.
No.503402
>>503401nope but nordstream is dead
No.503404
>>503397They obviously planning to to do that anyway but kept chickening out because the freedom fighters had always kicked their arse every other attempt the UkroNazis had tried and on top of that there were Russian troops conducting excercise on the border to discourage them
Why else would the USA keep confidently declaring invasion days that never happened No.503407
>>503403>what??? Armies don't sleep in improvised hotels when they are mobilized!?!No offence Anon, but this is the dumbest thing to focus on right now.
No.503408
>>503407maybe but lets be honest, not giving them at least half more space is respectless.
Sure in the grand scheme its completely irrelevant
No.503409
>>503328thank god there are no lithium mines where miserable labor happens and e-waste isn't a thing
No.503410
>>503403I guess when you form you guerrilla you will sleep in a comfy bed.
No.503411
>>503331>>503409Lithium is brined not mined but what can you expect from the irradiated brains of redditors. Nevermind that your shitty radioactive steam engines killed the USSR and ruined Japan you still shill for general electrics tepco and areva like the libs you are
No.503412
>>503272>You seem knowledgable on this.I just try to think critically and not think that every single event will precipitate into a world war. Every time the mainstream media points to a local issue, we get predictions of doom. I try to look at things and unpack what's really going on, because no media outlet or government person will just come out and outright say what's going on (
days of Trump are gone ). Especially not the media, always writing spin. Remember how people were saying Iran was going to start WWIII because Trump killed Soleimani? This is the same thing. In the Yugoslav war, in the 90s, you had 3 states engaged in open warfare, you had Mudjahedeen coming in from the Middle East, fascists coming from the West, opportunism and adventurism abound, yet that didn't "spill over", despite going on for 5 years. And why? Because the surrounding countries and Europe had nothing at stake in the fight. Just some slavs killing each other… the West has a boner for it.
Look at the situation now, what's at stake? Ukrainian sovereignty, that is only important to Ukrainians and Ukrainian nationalists; and not even their whole country, just Luhansk and Donetsk, I'm sure there are Western Ukrainians who don't even care about those (why would some aspiring EU liberal student from Kiev care about a Russian-speaking, Russian-dominated region in the east of Ukraine?)
The world is going to "condemn" their actions, just like they condemned the war in Yugoslavia, just like they condemned the genocide in Rwanda. UN might send a "peacekeeping" force that will take photos and get out of the way, like they always do. However, with a situation volatile as this, no country is going to volounteer to send their troops to get fired upon in that mess and not be able to fire back for fear of starting an actual international incident.
>How can Europe, from within NATO, press the issue of its interest in favorable economic ties with Russia?Who says that that is in its interest now? Europe has been trying to block Chinese investment in Europe. Most recently that I know of, Sweden has banned Huawei's 5G (
https://www.politico.eu/article/huawei-sweden-china-5g-court-case-european-union/), following US's lead no doubt. US NGOs have been hard at work trying to protest and block Nord Stream 2 (looking at you, extinction "rebellion", among others), so that Europe can buy more expensive gas from the US. Europe, thanks to Germany and France (I believe, largely) has been trying to become its own force and global player, with its own geopolitical aspirations and imperialism (look up how EU dumps nuclear waste in Somalia, for example), then the EU Navy patrolling the Mediterranean and cracking down on people trying to cross (I guess refugees are no longer welcome), how the EU turns a blind eye to Croatian police literally marching immigrants across the border into Bosnia, brutalising them in the process.
>It seems that a European détente with China is gaining more and more steam as the political sphere is becoming aware of the mutual advantages to be gained. Yet because of military concerns and the he-said-she-said game of NATO encirclement of Russia/Russian-Belarusian encirclement of Ukraine this rhetoric becomes hard to translate when it comes to Euro-Russian relations.I don't think there's any détente with China, on the contrary. I gave you the example of 5G being blocked in Sweden. When the corona pandemic had just started, and Russia developed Sputnik-V and China has Sinopharm and Sinovac, the EU Medical Authority came out and just said that they will not be approving any vaccines not produced in the EU or NA. While the effectivness of Chinese vaccines turned out to be spotty and questionable, the effectiveness of Sputnik-V has been shown to be higher than Pfizer and Moderna 6 months after the shot. It's just that EU leaders don't like to use as forceful as rhetoric as the US
However, we must be wary of generalisation of what "Europe" and "EU" wants to do, as the EU is 27 states and Europe is that plus a few more. Different countries have different goals. Russian oligarchs have a lot of investment in Montenegro. Hungary allowed Chinese and Russian vaccines, despite being an EU country. Chinese have built a bridge in Croatia and China has been making a lot of investments in Serbia. China is one of Denmark's largest customers for their pork (and previously mink). I think we are in a situation where individual countries cannot afford not to make business deals with China, yet as a unified "EU" they are principally opposed to China.
>From what I've seen, France and Germany aren't exactly thrilled to take a hard line against Russia as they aren't as eager as the US to get Ukraine into NATO in the first place, even though Scholtz seems slightly more hawkish than Merkel.Remember when Merkel and Macron wanted to create the EU Army? (
https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/) But no one was really into it. EU, while strong as a whole, with over 400 million people, it is composed of many smaller states. You have the few massive "powerhouses", Germany, France and to some extent Spain and Italy, but other than that, you're left with 20 tiny countries with 3-10 million people each. These countries do not want a war with Russia, what do they stand to get out of it? Nothing. All countries are in debt to the EU, they're already reluctant to pay more into NATO (despite US pressure to do so), leaders of these countries have to be strongarmed behind closed doors and lubed up with money to buy new military equipment, because every time a European country buys new fighter jets or whatever I gurantee you that most of the people in that country are against it. People aren't dumb, they look at their aging infrastructure and then their president comes out and says they've spent $10 Billion on new fighter jets (e.g.
https://www.flyingmag.com/finland-inks-9-4-billion-deal-to-buy-64-f-35-stealth-fighters/).
>So what happens now? Go too hard on sanctions and you risk hurting the economy. Give Russia what they want and you risk alienating the US.The sanctions, I think, will be specific and targeted. Just like the US has sanctioned LPR and DPR, forbade anyone in the US to trade with them, but hasn't sanctioned Russia yet, the EU might do the same. Germany has already made the biggest move, canceling/postponing Nord Stream 2 (
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/business/nord-stream-2-germany-russia/index.html). I think the biggest "sanction" the EU could do is stop NS2, at the same time it would be caving to US interests and it would be a big self-own to own the Russkis, but I'm not putting it past them.
in fact, if canceling NS2 would mean EU turning to nuclear, I'd be all for it, but unfortunately I think EU is married to green capitalist interests, they also hate NS2 The neoliberals, the antlanticists, the analytical anglos in the EU would see it as a win-win, of course, and you have the whole NGO machinery ready to support whatever bullshit green intitiative EU comes up with as an "alternative" while European dependence on American gas and coal remains the same.
–
ASIDE: What would the Azov Battalion and other Ukrainian militias formed in 2014 to "defend Ukraine" do if there wasn't a war with the separatists? Those were the same far-right elements that were instrumental in 2014, is the president afraid that if he let Russia have those pieces of Ukraine they'd turn on their own government? Just a speculation. They've discussed the president moving further West (
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-officials-discussed-ukrainian-president-leaving-capital-russian-att-rcna17094), why? Because he is wildly unpopular and Ukrainians are not confident that he can solve this crisis (
https://www.wionews.com/world/approval-ratings-of-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky-falls-amid-russia-conflict-453290), That's why if he declared peace, the Ukrainian militias would probably keep fighting, they're funded by the West to do so anyway.
No.503414
>>503411Maybe they just had a dogshit reactor in Chernobyl?
Maybe the Japs got fucked after 50 years of neoliberalism?
You realize nuclear reactors have a lower chance of an incident than your precious fossil fuel plants you subhuman oil shill?
No.503415
>>503413You should understand by now that westoid leftoids are very willing to sacrifice non-Westerners
No.503416
Hungary is indicating they're going to try and veto EU sanctions on Russia
No.503417
>German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced on Tuesday that he had ordered a halt to the certification process for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.
BUT THE RULING CLASSES ARE ALL THE SAME, RUSSIA IS A COMPRADOR STATE REEE
kek, 'anti-revisionists' go to the gulag.
No.503418
>>503416V4 countries sometimes inject sanity into EU's discourse.
No.503419
>>503403>>503408US National Guard soldiers had to sleep in a garage, while stationed in
their nations capital>One unit, which had been resting in the Dirksen Senate Office building, was abruptly told to vacate the facility on Thursday, according to one Guardsman. The group was forced to rest in a nearby parking garage without internet reception, with just one electrical outlet, and one bathroom with two stalls for 5,000 troops, the person said. Temperatures in Washington were in the low 40s by nightfall.https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/national-guard-troops-vacate-capitol-461220It's not about Russia or US, such is the soldiers life. Military commanders literally don't see soldiers as individuals, they see them as an expendable resource. Every time they plan a battle or operation, they calculate how many are expected to die. They just move this battalion/brigade from one place to another, that's why often soldiers stationed in their own countries, but far away from cities, will resort to stealing from nearby houses and villages. There's nothing honourable about being a soldier, it's a rough life.
No.503420
>>503418to be fair, on the other hand Poland is calling for a total trade embargo on all Russian products
No.503421
>>503414Yeah yeah nothing will go wrong this time because like we all know the European countries are totally not neoliberal states that will cut corners on their reactors that have hundreds of incidents per year and exploiting the third world is ok if it's for the redditor nuclear cult
No.503422
>>503411>arevaAh yes these porkies decided to build worlds 6th most expensive building in my country. They said nuclear power is good nuclear power is cheap. Olkiluoto 3 was supposed to be finished by 2010. Still not fully operational. Maybe this year.
No.503423
>>503420Keep in mind that all these countries are ex-socialist and they need some form of anti-communism to justify their rule. In Poland this is mainly expressed in anti-Russian sentiments and fear-mongering.
No.503424
>>503344Already canceled. lol
Throw out your pseuds. God, I love to be so fucking right in these geopolitical issues.
No.503425
>>503416Can Hungary be vetoed out of EU?
No.503426
>>503421>Hundreds of incidents per yearTales from the psych ward
No.503427
Fucking coward NATO occupied Kraut government. Literally a colony of America. Germany lost all of its dignity when the wall fell.
No.503428
>>503427are there meme pictures with germany being assfucked by usa?
if so, i need them for my collection
No.503429
I know this is infantile and silly but, I'm kind of afraid. I'm afraid of war escalating into nuclear war. That won't happen, right?
No.503430
>>503429100% will not happen
No.503433
>>503421Luckily Italy has no NPP
No.503434
>>503427>>503431>>503428>>503432I said once, I say it again:
From colonizers to colonized.
Burger'd/
If I had the time, I would make an elsa jean meme with the hand, instead a black man a bum arm with the U.S. flag.
No.503435
>>503430Okay, thanks for the reassurance. I'm still kinda worried, generally I'm pretty at ease regarding these things but I guess everyone has their limits when you're constantly fed fearmongering propaganda. Apologies for shitting up the thread with blogposting
No.503436
>>503429100% it will happen
No.503437
>>503429Probably not due to this crisis, but one day
No.503438
>>503432We dont use natural gas here.
No.503439
This is all very gay and cringe, tbh
No.503440
>>503436>>503437well that's terribly frightful
No.503443
>>503438What are you Frenchie? Got that nice Nuclear Power?
No.503444
>>503440World War III is inevitable under imperialism, especially with the onset of ecological collapse and an accelerating mass extinction
No.503445
Just checked a German newspaper comment section.
Germans saying: I would rather be cold than help Putin
And "Talking about rising gas prices is russian propaganda"
No.503446
>>503431So Central Europe is fucked on energy? 80% chance of far-right coup within the next decade.
No.503447
>>503432Mediterranean countries get their gas from north africa.
MEDBVLLS WIN AGAIN.
No.503448
>>503441that protest looks like something from a sitcom
No.503449
>>503442>Nothing is happening!<The economy is collapsing and the planet’s habitability is falling apart, this is literally the apocalypse How can you hold both positions in your head simultaneously?
And how can you deny that economic decline and ecological collapse fuel military conflicts?
No.503450
AAUUUUHHHH I'M GONNA SUPPOORT/OPPOOOSE !!!
No.503451
>>503442I know, I know, you're right, comrade. It is fear-mongering propaganda and I'm falling for it.
>>503444I can only hope revolution comes soon.
No.503452
>>503445>Just checked a German newspaper comment section.>Germans saying: I would rather be cold than help PutinWhich newspaper? Actually not surprising, since only rich kids read newspapers and they have enough money to not care about rising gas prices.
No.503453
>>503452Zeit online, nominally left-liberal
No.503454
>>503445Humanity will eventually be forced against its will to an inflection point where its empty and delusional talking points can no longer stave off the contradictions of material reality. we have had so, so much time to avoid the worst and most rattling effects of this, but instead we seem to be in total lockstep ensuring the pivot downward is a vertical line.
No.503455
>>503454The rest of the 20s and the 30s are going to be so epic, I can't wait.
No.503456
>>503449Obviously, I meant that "nothing is happening in Ukraine". So don't get yourself perpetual anxiety over this specific military conflict by consuming the porky news, especially if you live far from Eastern Europe.
Better start prepping for the slow-rolling collapse of the modern civilization, here's a leftist podcast for that:
http://poorproles.com No.503458
I'M GONNA
NNNGHH
I'M BOUT TO
OOFH
I'M GON' PRETEND I CAN BE A NEOOOOTRAL OOOBSERVER
UGH
No.503459
>>503453Die Zeit is literally r/de the newspaper
No.503460
>>503371>>503427>>503445THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE GERMOID
No.503464
So many lives are going to be lost, all because the West doesn't want to say Ukraine because that would somehow violate their sovereignty.
These crackers have lost their fucking minds wtf is this bullshit
No.503465
>>503461Yes, there is a lot of distance to cover to push the front line back to the whole region. Fortunately most civilians live in Donetsk/Luhansk and it should become safer for them this way
No.503466
>>503464>wtf is this bullshitelection are coming in the USA and the democrats need their voootes
No.503467
>>503429Its a serious matter and the risk of nuclear war is easily the most direct threat to humanity atm. Military leaders across the planet know this and spend many sleepless nights because of it. There is always a risk of accidents and nuclear terrorism that could lead to nuclear exchange between superpowers but even if Russia decided to launch a full scale invasion of Ukraine the risk would still be relatively small because Ukraine is neutral and has no stationed American forces. Only in situations where American and Russian soldiers start killing each other you should bunker down and hope for the best. We have not yet seen such a direct conflict in the nuclear age and Ukrainian conflict is unlikely to become one.
No.503468
>>503466Well this is clearly going to fail, so I guess they're going to double down on muh January 6 to get those voots.
No.503469
I would rather be cold, hungry and poor than let the Russians beat up some NATO Nazis
No.503470
>>503466I thought this too at first but it seems like although that's a factor, they genuinely don't want to guarantee that Ukraine won't join NATO outside of playing the tough guy with Putin for political theater
No.503471
>>503469Its the price of peace.
No.503472
Ukrainian Rada has passed a resolution that would cut all diplomatic ties with Russia, waiting on Zeley to approve it.
Ukies continuing to shell the front line, honestly seems like Zeley has no power anymore
Russians will probably start yeeting Ukrainian AD and artillery systems in the next 48 hours if they don't stop
No.503473
>>503445I mean yeah, talk on the internet is cheap. But stop the flow on NS1 without warning and they'd change their tune. Or raise the prices, it's always going to be cheaper than the US freedom molecules, unless they are willing to bleed money, which is not gonna happen on election season.
You know, sanctions. Your gas is sanctioned, natocuck.
No.503477
>>503258The correct take, if Russia doesn't move any further, the whole hype will be over in 2-3 months.
>>503472Despite being a Russian and having lived in Ukraine for a while, I still don't understand what's their porkies' interests in shelling shit in the East. Those regions were lost in 2014-2015, why keep going.
No.503478
>>503472I would bet that Poroshenko (net worth $1.6 billion) will make a return
No.503479
>>503472Three are some unconfirmed reports of Russian or Donbass shelling already.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1496056375167889412 No.503481
>>503476They decided now to give them the proper licenses. Obviously the pipeline just sits there empty now. Actually the timing of this crisis makes me believe this was the US olan all along. The pipeline was supposed to begin working Dec 21.
No.503482
>>503476It's been on hold since the green coalition took power in the elections. This is just a song and dance for public consumption.
>>503477personally I think the government has no functional control of the military anymore and most of the porkies have moved out to western europe
>>503478already did a couple weeks ago when Zeley wasn't toeing the US line
No.503484
>>503472Good, they will flattened. It is alway good to have some nazis steamrolled.
>>503477>Despite being a Russian and having lived in Ukraine for a while>I still don't understand what's their porkies' interestsThey are NATO's bitches. They do what the atlanticists tell them to do.
No.503485
There's been more habbenings under Biden than there has been with Trump. Maybe he really was the accelerationist choice.
No.503486
Der Krauts "halted" the pipeline? What's that mean exactly?
No.503487
>>503479Now this just makes me sad when its an old babushka refusing to leave conflict area and getting shot with heavy artillery.
No.503488
>>503485The harm reduction option (Putin kills all the Ukrop butchers)
No.503489
>>503486It means somebody has to pay for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and who better to pay the price than some old people in Germany
No.503490
>>503486they put so many schnitzel and sauerkraut in the opening of the pipe that the oil can't flow any more
No.503491
>>503486It means they got burger'd.
No.503492
>>503489Oh please they are basically bathing in money on global standards.
No.503493
>>503483that does not look comfortable at all
No.503494
funny how this turned into a NATO v. Russia thing without Ukraine ever having to join NATO in the first place. It's almost like there's no real operational standards for NATO, and they'll start wars that align with their own interests (even as a defensive alliance) and operate within nations by treating them as de-facto NATO members without any due process.
No.503495
>>503492Well, yeah, they will have to sell their gold slabs they use in the streets of the richest places of Germany now. Poor them. They cucked because they can also resist this shit too.
No.503496
The pipeline will sit there until Germoney is sick of the high prices. I have a feeling it will turn on after everyone forgets about this
No.503497
How bad are the gas prices gonna get in Germany? Remember the French yellow vest protests started over rising gas prices.
No.503498
>>503493Oh, trust me, it brings us great joy.
No.503499
>>503497There's already 6 - 8% inflation from 2021 in comparison to 2015.
No.503500
>>503497As high as master Sam wants it to be. We will obey his wishes and remain a faithful servant to master Sam.
No.503502
>>503497Yellow vest bros protested gasoline prices not natural gas prices.
No.503503
>>503476it was already on hold anyway, for 3 months and more it was really and all it needed is a stamp. Now we even admit its a political decision to keep it off so..
No.503504
>>503486https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-germany-europe-berlin-79e3dafb0d231f6a033613b7dab78cdfUkraine-Russia: Germany suspends Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline>BERLIN (AP) — Germany has taken steps to halt the process of certifying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia, Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Tuesday, as the West started taking punitive measures against Moscow over the Ukraine crisis.>The decision, which was criticized by Moscow, is a significant move for the German government.
<[…]But Russia’s former president, Dmitry Medvedev, slammed the German government’s decision to halt certification of the pipeline.<“Welcome to the brave new world where Europeans are very soon going to pay 2,000 euros for 1.000 cubic meters of natural gas!” said Medvedev, who is now deputy chair of Russia’s Security Council.The propaganda makes it seem like the pipeline has been destroyed and cancelled where it's likely just a boureaucratic temporary concession so Washington can posture.
No.503505
>>503504>only a bureaucratic procedureAnon; u do know ur talking about Germany here?
No.503506
>>503505Aw shit I mean to say diplomatic
No.503507
>>503500Russia doesnt seem to be very friendly about your EU federation project either, Hans.
No.503508
>>503506It is an indefinite hiatus. Maybe there will be a comeback album, maybe not.
No.503509
>>503504This shit will turn on again next fall and it will be announced on the back page of the news and no one will notice or remember
No.503511
>>503499>>503497Sorry, the inflation rate is 6% more than last year I mean. That's insane.
No.503514
>>503480Russia is against America, America bad, Russia good. Didn't you understand?
No.503515
>>503512Russia also loses lots of €uros that its resource based 3rd world economy desperately needs.
No.503516
>>503515Yeah, but it's cozy warm in Russia. Only frozen soup for Germany.
No.503517
>>503503Whats the general idea of people regarding the situation?
What are communist orgs saying?
No.503518
>>503456>Better start prepping for the slow-rolling collapse of the modern civilization, here's a leftist podcast for that:>http://poorproles.comI'm too dumb for this shit to be useful, very bougie of them to assume this will be useful to the vast majority of poles who don't have a garden as a hobby/have no interest in gardening
No.503519
>>503517about the recent news I cant tell you yet, but people are already very uncomfortable with the prices and vaccine mandates. Renting bubble is big as its everywhere. I personally have completely opted off seeing myself as part of this society so I can hardly judge. Last 2 years did me rough
No.503520
>>503514America bad Russian alternative capitalist imperialism bad. Critical support for German gassing operations.
No.503521
>>503445>And "Talking about rising gas prices is russian propaganda"Kill me
No.503522
>Europeans rather pay triple the gas price as long as it keeps their american overlords happy
Germany is literally the definition of being a cuck, holy shit i didn't expect this.
No.503523
>>503519>I personally have completely opted off seeing myself as part of this societya communist can't do that
No.503525
>>503515They have a huge reserve in gold, reserve in yuan, and even with the 50/50 NS-II deal, the 50 Russia had to pay, in part they were given E.U. loans to cover their 50%, kek. If Russia was a rapacious capitalist oligarchy, they wouldn't care about their people, let Donbas get destroyed, and stick to the NS-II deal showing no self-determination.
No.503527
>>503523a communist knows that a quick death is not a useful alternative to communism. Its a personal decision.
No.503528
>>503519Aw shit comrade. I wish you didn't feel that way. Spring is right around the corner. Surely some comrades will be organizing cook outs at the park.
No.503530
>>503527Thank you man. Yeah I finally saw flowers, have a loving gf and just saw Moscow. Ill be fine :)
No.503532
>>503529its fine bro, dont make me feel bad for derailing the thread
No.503533
>>503524In no place does the note says there are communist, kek. Also, are they gonzalites? The communists drafted the recognition of the DBR in the Duma.
No.503534
>>503515Lmao, EU has literally no natural gas reserves left, if Russia shuts down NS1, EU will literally fall on their knees begging Putin for gas.
No.503535
>>503518Check out the podcast's topics: it's not about
your own garden, but community organizing for food growth, and not only about food growing but overall skill contribution. They have even episodes on communal defense.
No.503536
>>503530Good to hear. I send you a warm hug.
No.503537
>>503530Good to hear. I send you a cold hug.
No.503539
>>503532My friends are planning to continue their civil engineering graduate courses in Germany and possibly move there. Is it still a good idea? lol.
No.503540
>>503539I men civil engineering is maybe actually a good choice. I personally rly hate it here and wanna move to another EU country later. But maybe the grass is always greener you know. Since its engineering Id say actually yes. After graduating youll have enough of an idea to maybe move further with a good degree
No.503541
>>503534Not my problem we dont use natural gas. Also just buy more from America.
No.503542
>>503533Medvedev is a Russian Socialist Movement (trots) activist, Tsukasov is KPRF-aligned.
No.503543
>>503501do people really still use livejournal? maybe i should remake an account bros, what do you think?
No.503544
>>503543People like cassad still use it lol, otherwise its dead
No.503545
Is this all Cornman's fault in the end?
No.503546
>>503545no according to Putin it's the Kievan Rus' and Lenin's fault
No.503547
>>503518>very bougie to assume proles don't have an interest in gardeningOUTRAGEOUSLY bougie of you to treat 'gardening' as something fun to do and not literally a form of subsistence for actual proles of the world
No.503549
>>503546>Lenin's faultNot the first time Putin would take a huge shit on former Bolshevik leadership and his loyal putinist cockgobblers think its fucking based anti-imperialism.
No.503550
>>503546Everything is Lenin's fault according to Putin, evil communism man planted an atomic bomb to undermine Russia's unity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGb1hTOconU No.503551
>>503546He never said it's Lenin's fault lol, what a weird fixation on accusing Putin of stuff he didn't say. According to him in relity, it was
Cthulhu who cause all this when he
tentacled zelninksy's ass
:^) No.503552
>>503547proles buy bread/flour
farmers are not proles
I have rebuked thee
No.503553
ok… but based on what?
No.503554
Ilyin (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin ) is Putin's most favorite thinker, why does Putin's anticommunism come as a surprise to anybody?
No.503555
>>503549Oh no, you tell me that the dude who adored Alexander Solzhenitsyn and stans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin is bad??
No.503557
>>503555oh no, hes a reactionary, unlike the progressive US: I rly dont know who you wanna impress. Rightoids who think Russia is still communist?
In a world with 90% anti-communists, being anti-communist isnt too surprising. I dont care for Putin but the Russian people
No.503558
>>503557> b-but the USboth are shit, the West is just more powerful shit
No.503559
>>503557and backing down from this was neither what the Russian people nor any communist party in the region wanted. In fact the Ukrainian communist party made that most clearly
No.503561
>>503556They are so lazy
>>503560I am calling on Herr Putler to begin the Kekrainian genocide
No.503562
Western leftist's understanding of Eastern Europe is sometimes truly hilarious. I laughed myself hard when encountered the "these Berkut fan-club people look very progressive and antifascist, but their use of 'jew' as a slur seems strange" line from one of these believers in Donbass' antiimperialist struggle.
No.503564
>>503557>In a world with 90% anti-communistsdrop this flag burger faggot
No.503565
>>503558Read
>>503525 everything else is pure cope.
No.503566
>>503539It's great. Berlin's housing market is insane, might as well call it "collapsed". If you have money, you can find studio apartments between 900-1.300 euros. Those are much easier to get. Knowing German is a huge advantage. Big comapnies are absolute trash in terms of customer service, especially if you don't know German. Winters are brutal, but IMO worth it.
If you're more tranquil, less on the side of intense night life, other cities might be more your drift. Even small cities are nice.
Compared to the third world, most things are better, but its not utopia either. You have bad shit here too. Crime exists, but much less. Public transportation is great, but it is expensive and could be better. Bike lines exist, but sometimes they're not good. In terms of worse things compared to where I grew up, Germany has way worse bureaucracy, worse service in government offices, worse customer service in monopolized companies, worse home internet connection (depends where you are), (surprisingly) worse labor rights (but much better enforced and better funded, so at the end this isnt a negative tbh), and no air conditioner for the summer.
I like it here.
>>503545Yes.
>>503560Daddy drop the bombs!!
No.503567
>>503564halt die Fresse Spast
No.503568
>>503564es sind nicht die 60er und ich denk du weißt genausogut wie ich dass die Red Scare ziemlich gut funktioniert hat. Ich hab für den Sozialismus auf der Straße gekämpft aber lass uns nicht einbolden das hier sind rosige Zeiten für uns.
No.503571
>>503555https://www.rt.com/op-ed/373753-dostoyevsky-putin-russia-dark-soul/>It’s also not the first time journalists have attempted to explain Putin using 19th century writers and philosophers. As Robinson noted on his blog, last year it was Ivan Ilyin — and next year it will probably be someone else who holds the true key to understanding Putin’s soul.kek.
So now, Putin=Dugin, Putin=Vlasov, Putin=Yeltsin, and lastly Putin=Ilyin?
No.503572
>>503549>>503555Also had Denikin, pogromist white guard, repatriated from America.
He deserves exactly what the Bolsheviks did to the Romanovs, Kornilov, Kolchak, Krasnov and Vlasov.
No.503573
>>503571Putin's adoration of Ilyin and Solzhenytsin is a famous theme in Russian debunking of all this "Putin wants to recreate the USSR" bullshit
No.503574
>>503566I once heard from other people migrating to Germany that their problems are that the taxes are too high and Germans are too smug and rude lol.
No.503575
>>503567>>503568Das die Aussichten für uns in Deutschland gegenwärtig alles andere als rosig sind macht deine Behauptung von 90% Antikommunisten nicht richtig.
No.503577
>>503571Cope harder, he's been stanning Ilyin since forever, here's from 2009 where he also visited the grave of FUCKING DENIKIN:
https://www.vesti.ru/article/2180162 No.503578
>>503571for me, it's Naputleon Bonaput
No.503579
>>503575von mir aus, ich hab die Angewohnheit Dinge zu negativ zu sehen. Ist klinisch. Ich sehs als Berg den es zu erklimmen gilt, nicht als Defeatismus. Sry für die Ausrutscher aber du kannst dir vorstellen nicht gern Yankee genannt zu werdenn
No.503582
Does Russian propaganda really works? Nazis treating Putin as some kind of white race savior and some leftists praising Russian imperialism and ethno-nationalist projects
No.503584
>>503579>du kannst dir vorstellen nicht gern Yankee genannt zu werdenIch dachte halt tatsächlich dass du ein Ami währst.
No.503587
>>503583grammar reactionary
No.503590
>>503584bitte nicht noch Sand in die wunde. Lass gut sein für hier
No.503591
>>503582Nah. Extremists are simply likely to cheer for the enemies of the US liberal hegemony no matter where it comes from.
/pol/ also likes the DPRK, for example.
No.503594
>>503577And his grandfather was Lenin's and Stalin's cook, and said Lenin has to stay in the Red Square, so what?…
You will never understand this man if you keep only screeching anarchists' points of view.
>cope>no u. No.503595
>>503591It really does remind me how a lot of Russian liberals defend Ukrainian nationalism because Ukraine is a victim and having literal nazies is necessary. "Enemy of my enemy" logic is so dumb.
No.503597
Reposting (not mine)
>>764891
Seriously, if you're surprised at this you haven't been paying attention. Putin has never been a communist. Those who think, like many liberals I've seen on twitter, that this is somehow a revelation that will surprise us and force us to change our mind etc are completely ignorant of our general argument to begin with. Our "support" for Russia in this has nothing to do with identifying Russia with socialism, much less Putin. We harbor no illusions about Putin's government (similarly we do not harbor illusions about Iran's clerical government despite being even anti-communist). Stalin harbored no illusions about Britain and France when he pushed for alliance against the Nazis. Marx harbored no illusions when he supported the Ottoman Empire. We need to learn to stop engaging with liberals in the terms of bourgeois morality. Our position, as always, is strategic and based on the material forces in existence. This is the legacy within Marxism we need now more than ever.
No.503598
>>503594> And his grandfather was Lenin's and Stalin's cookand Pete Buttigieg's father is a Marxist
> anarchists' points of view> the dude literally building a White Army memorial and mentioning Ilyin in dozens of speecheskeep coping
No.503599
>>503591
>/pol/ also likes the DPRK>believing this hasn't anything to do with trump, their daddy, appeals to do a Lybia 2.0 on DPKR.They are just intel op from the trump camp to promote that idea, that doesn't mean they indeed support DPKR, but for hack reasons.
No.503600
BLOODCAST WARCASTNOT SO QUIET ON THE ECELEB FRONTCOVERAGE OF THE UKRAINE CRISIS THROUGH THE LENS OF THE ONLINE LEFT
COME CHAT CHILL
RIP YOUR BRAIN CELLS
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcasthttps://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcasthttps://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast No.503601
>>503597Iran is a clerical fascist state like fascist Spain or Slovakia that deserves not the slightest jot of suport from communists.
No.503602
>>503534NS2 is probably going to go into service later this year, when it's a politically more opportune moment. The US is powerfull but they can't change the tendency to use more energy and produce it at lower cost. Basically everything that is alive is an entropy maximization machine. If the EU can't get cheap energy it will collapse harder than the USSR, harder than Libya. There is no more possibility for a low energy economy to exist, EU citizens use hundreds if not thousands of times the amount of energy that human biology can generate. Even so called de-industrialized service economies use orders of magnitude more energy than industrialized economies of previous centuries. Even a moderate reduction of energetic flow can cause a complete political collapse. Energy availability determines the level of social complexity that is possible.
This is the opportune time for German leftist to burn the political viability of green neo-liberals to ash, about 50% of German capital relies on gas, the political configuration that can restore gasflow has the best chances at winning.
No.503603
>>503574Taxes are not that high and you get a lot for them. For me, the biggest issue is that software engineer salaries are low compared to the US. Also, German software companies are somewhat bureaucratic and that sucks.
German people in general are mostly all "middle class" and well educated (or educated enough). Compared to other sides of the world where the difference between a waiter and an office worker is a huge difference in salary and education. In my experience Germans are chill and generally cool, as any other country except the US. German idiosyncrasies are much more straight forward than others so they might seem extremely rude, but its usually just saying things plainly as they are, without so much decorating the responses. You get used to it.
In general, society feels much less degenerated (as in "dissolved", "decomposed") than in other places, especially the US, and people are less physical than say latin america, but still just as nice.
No.503604
>>503601It does not mean that I 'support the IR' when I say that I am happy that they send weapons to Yemen to fight against the genocidal Saudi/US war imposed on them. The Ansarallah are also fundamentalist Islam, I do not 'support' that just because I think they should have the space to breathe.
No.503605
>>503597Why would someone compare tactical alliance with people at war with the same genocidal maniac and supporting ethnic nationalism and imperialism because these are anti-american ethnic nationalism and imperialism?
No.503608
>>503566>Berlin's housing market is insaneis München a joke to you?
>Public transportation is greatkek
No.503609
>>503580Hey, pseud, NS-II is canceled, "all ruling classes are the same" failed. Keep being a pseud, keep being a class traitor.
No.503610
>>503607It's more than possible he's a nationalist that isn't in complete denial of the relevance of the communists to the country's history while also disagreeing with them (ie having financial interests totally at odds with them)
No.503611
>>503609>NS-II is canceledRipping it out the sea floor are they?
No.503612
>>503611>le moving goalpost, pseud edition>mfw>>503610He's a complex character. If he were a nationalist, he wouldn't bring back the Syrian children, all muslims from muslim families, despite the Kosovo war, despite the hundreds of terror attacks they received during the existence of alqaeda and ISIL, something hardly mentioned in the western media, btw.
The only thing certain is that he wants to bring back glory days for Russia.
No.503614
>>503609> NS-II is canceledI would hope so, but it is just halted for now, burgs don't want to lose their advantages
No.503615
>>503608>München I don't know anything, but Berlin's issue is that there are not enough apartments for rent. There's no way in hell München is worse in that regard. We're at the limit of insanity, it can't get any worse (famous last words).
As for public transportation, brah, you have no idea how blessed you are. It's such a nice thing to have. There's even trains you can take besides the metro. 😍😍😍😍
>>503609Lies.
No.503618
>>503617> halt> cancelledIt isn't even "signing and ratifying" level of difference
No.503619
>>503607Why Western Putin stans are so dense?
Exploiting the WW2 victory for PR has nothing to do with socialism/communism, they've been constructing a nation-building myth about the Heroic Russsian People in the last decades with zero connections of it to the USSR aside from the visuals of that time.
No.503621
>>503620> whenWe don't know yet if this will happen. Maybe Russians just wanted to "legalize" Russian presence in these republics
No.503622
>>503620NS2: Gaseus Boogaloo was already stalled by the German government basically at the behest of the US. Scholz promised to cuck to the US a lil a few days ago if something happened in Ukraine. He has to play ball for now.
The question is how this will play long term. Gas is immensely important to Europe. In a pandemic, when gas prices are already high, inflation is already high, and gas reserves are low.
No.503623
>>503328That is a pretty good suggestion because you would have to force a much smaller number of redditors to do those things than you would have to force to make the batteries necessary for a wind/solar based electrical grid. I will gladly join le reddit army in cleaning up once-in-a-half-century industrial accidents.
No.503624
As predicted
>>503412>The sanctions, I think, will be specific and targeted.https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/ukraine-crisis-uk-announces-sanctions-on-russian-banks-wealthy-individuals.html>Addressing lawmakers on Tuesday in the House of Commons, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the first tranche of sanctions would target Rossiya, IS Bank, General Bank, Promsvyazbank and the Black Sea Bank.>The measures would also sanction three “very high net worth” individuals: Gennady Timchenko, Boris Rotenberg and Igor Rotenberg. No.503625
>>503619>Exploiting the WW2 victory for PR has nothing to do with socialism/communism>explooting nationalists' monuments for PR has nothing to do with nationalism, fascism, and monarchism.See how that's a weak argument.
Yeah, better believe that places like the west/NATO that haven't achieved socialism once they have some authority to speak about what has and hasn't to do with communism.
I am not saying he will go back, to communism, despite he explicitly said he would stop the USSR if he could go back in time, but def he's a nuanced person, and the only ultras here are the ones that don't want to fully know integrally the most important man in the Russian history in the what's been the first 2 decades of the 21st century and focus on the things about nationalism, etc.
No.503626
Da, Comrade.
No.503629
>>503627i dunno dude i can't read that shit
No.503630
>>503622>>503621kek, so according to you, this is still a nothingburger. Good.
No.503631
>>503627> based on principles and norms of international lawkek
No.503632
>>503627The full Donbas region will be taken, yes that looks like it's happening and it will be a big war. I don't think they'll go further than that, but they might pretend to in order to gain diplomatic pressure.
No.503633
>>503632This means Russia millitary will face the Ukrainian millitary, since Ukraine occupies the majority of Donbas
No.503635
>it's becoming impossible for Europe to import fossil fuels
All in all, a big win for the climate. Enjoy losing your decadent western lifestyles and living life on third world carbon budgets.
No.503636
>>503635They still have coal
No.503639
>>503633Yes. I'm unclear on how that is different from before. The militias like Azov are part of the Ukrainian National Guard (a gendarmerie), it seems that the Ukrainian Ground Forces are the 'real' army.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukrainehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Ground_Forces No.503640
>>503634They have an army filled-up with Fascists, but ofcourse they will never be able to face Russia, that's where NATO comes in
No.503641
>people itt still think the ukraine is real
never have i seen such a lack of material analysis
No.503642
>>503640Think NATO has said over and over that they won't send troops in. Ukraine should probably surrender the territory
No.503644
>>503642When they do that Azov and Right Sector will overthrow Zelensky.
No.503645
>>503643Lol yeah so this Ukrainian side won't be much different from before, maybe more aggressive
>>503644Hopefully they choose suicide-by-RAF
No.503646
>>503644They are an annoyance but not a real force
No.503647
>>503645and more rambo which is strongly impractical. It will be a mess
No.503649
>>503601once i learned that you were british your endless retardposting on this site finally made sense
No.503650
>>503649And now youre bringing idpol, wonderful
No.503651
>>503642Lmao if Zelensky hands territory over to the Russians he knows that he will get shot by Azov members
>>503646What? Azov is literally integrated in the NAtional army of Ukraine
No.503653
>>503651Yes, they are recognized, just like National Corps is a registered party
No.503654
Watching MSNBC:
Implying that strong sanctions will be put on for fully taking Dombas region.
"People here have strong sympathies for Moscow" actual quote.
Ukrainians reject the western idea of WW3 style invasion happening, lol. MSNBC reporter coping and seething
No.503655
>>503641but then where do kulaks come from
No.503656
>>503650anti-britishness isnt idpol, its based on material analysis
No.503657
>>503656Just like complaining about "murricans" and "rusroaches"
No.503659
>>503197I'm new, where're these screenshots from?
No.503662
>>503654Also: "We predicted that exactly this would happen"
LMAO"Will the sanctions work?" "Uh, we're not sure"
No.503664
>>503609lololol sure. Is the original Nord Stream? Nah, course not so nothing has changed. Russia will continue to pump gas to the EU bourgeoisie, while slandering Lenin and Bolshevism.
No.503665
>>503662"[the sanctions] definitely will have an impact on every day Russians.
smirks " this absolute ghoul
No.503666
>>503650the anglo has never been anything more than a soulless barbarian who can only interact with other nations through oppression, piracy and bloodshed. material analysis is not idpol.
No.503667
>>503604They're fighting for their own bourgeois nationalist and aspiring imperial interests.
No.503668
>>503666Sounds a lot like Adolf Hitler in 1940, fuck off cunt.
No.503671
>>503669based as fuck person
No.503672
>>503667Again, I do not care about what they think they are fighting for, I care about the effect it will have, which I deem a net positive. If I thought my 'support' actually mattered, I would be working against them, but it doesn't.
No.503674
ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ
No.503676
>>503664PSEUUUUUD boooo>>503669That guy isn't in charge of Russia, and Russia isn't directed towards a disastrous direction.
>and the sabotard joins the schizo gang with a weird false equivalent argument. No.503677
>>503676> Russia isn't directed towards a disastrous directionIt pretty sure is
No.503678
MSNBC bragging about more NATO troops in Poland, lol
>>503675I think fighting will happen first
No.503679
>>503673All your Donbas are belong to us
No.503680
>>503658Do you want an argument? Iran defends the Hezbollah militias, highly charge with Marxism and left-leaning positions. Also, Iran is more anti-imperialist than you'd ever be.
But you will deflect, dilate, and be a kautsky as usual. Class traitor.
No.503681
>>503630I've been saying that this charade is the burger. This is only the next step. It will remain a primarily diplomatic burger. I didn't expect the invasion of ucraine so let's hope I'm right.
No.503682
<Bolsheviks in 1918
>No war but class war! Give Ukrainians their own republic for defending the revolution!
<Leftoids in 2022
>ukrainian hohol are pigs xaxaxa nuclear habbening in kiev soon russia stronk bolshevik bad nato=nazi
No.503684
>>503682both the left and right in the West are divided on the issue. Black Rifle Coffee gun nuts are beefing with /pol/-tier contrarians, patsocs are beefing with the radlibs. so it goes
No.503685
>>503625He's not exploiting fash philosophers for PR, ffs. He does it without much noise and cite them as his ideological fundamentals when giving long speeches.
Yes, he's a nuanced person because you can't run something as ideologically diverse as Russia as an inflexible fundamentalist, but still he's a true reactionary and a continuation of Yeltsin's project.
No.503688
>>503680>Hezbollah good because they have social democratic positions>Also you are a Kautskyiteomegalul
No.503689
MSNBC: NATO troops are symbolic, they will not be put into combat situations unless Russia invades NATO countries. Lol Putin already won
>>503683Ukraine already decided this
No.503690
>>503686> суть времениWasn't it just some small-scale project to detract naive leftists into supporting Putin?
No.503691
>>503689I was making fun of the polandball grammar
No.503692
>>503677When the USSR dissolved, thanks to neoliberal policies, inequity exploded, illiteracy exploded, endemic diseases that were extinct returned, child prostitution was common. All of this stopped, all data reflects they curved income inequity, GINI coef. lowered, illiteracy was reduced, those diseases were reduced.
Good cope, Russia hater.
No.503694
>>503693Buffer state you mean
No.503695
>>503690back in 2011 it wasn't really small
No.503696
>>503680The irony of this post.
No.503698
So what does Putin actually gain from taking Donetsk and Luhansk?
No.503699
>>503694A buffer state would be Ukraine pre-2014, to do what they describe here would require them to take kiev and install a puppet government
No.503700
>>503698Kekraine will never join NATO, and the war ends
No.503701
>>503698Nobody knows. It looks… ideologically driven?
No.503702
>>503699Actually I don't think it does require a pro-Russian government, only submission, which would lead to less fighting so it may be appealing
No.503703
>>503698In all honesty it's probably a consolation prize to avoid an all out war without looking weak politically. If he takes Donbass and the West does nothing, then it looks like he bullied them, even if he didn't actually gain anything in the strategic sense.
No.503705
>>503693What the hell is happening in Kreml?
No.503708
>>503519Its scary how much I can relate to that.
No.503710
>>503700>Kekraine will never join NATO, and the war endsWhy not? What's stopping them from joining NATO after Putin takes Donetsk and Luhansk?
No.503711
>>503686>Germans invade Russia >England, France, America, and Japan Powers invade Russia>Germans invade Russia again >Western Powers strip Russia of their borderlands, have them join NATO>America builds military bases in the basalticWhy wouldn't Russia be nationalistic? Monarchy, Socialism, or Liberalism. Makes no difference what ideology Russia has, they are besieged by the world no matter what, every promised that is made to them is broken. No shit they have become a monster, they are now a monster that the west has created, now its time for the west to get what they deserve.
>>503690Russian leftists support revenge against the west, not Putin. They support revenge against the west because for generations the west has betrayed them.
No.503713
LEFTYPOL CHALLENGE:
TELL ME A MORE CUCKED SPECIES OF HUMAN THAN THE KRAUT
HARD MODE: CAN'T USE ANY TYPE OF ANGLO
No.503714
>>503710Territorial dispute means no NATO allowed. I guess they could stop recognizing those territories but it seems unlikely, especially with the outsized nationalist influence
No.503715
>>503713twitch political streamers
No.503718
>>503711Im sick and tired of Russians invading everyone living next to them and they cry they are victims at the same time.
No.503720
Igor Strelkov/Girkin, a FSB officer from Russia came to Donbass in 2014 with a bunch of armed man and declared armed resistance to Kiev. That's how the war started. The DNR is illegitimate. There is no true separatism in Ukraine. It's 100% russian nazi fascist invasion
No.503721
>>503686>You don't have to look very deep to see the schizophrenic tendencies of modern Russian nationalism>except that the communist party in Russia keeps raising its presence in the Douma.>that information I will ignore it or plainly say they are puppets, etc, etc>You have to truly be delusional to think that Putin's use of Soviet imagery is actually representative of his politics or the class character of his government.It is part of his policies, or else he would de-communize as Poland did, a Ukraine did, as Lithuania did, as did, etc.
The only delusional here, the one cherrypicking some facets of Russia, and always pretending they are imperialists to sideline with NATO arguments is you.
No.503723
>>503716>Pretending like /pol/ isnt the most pro-Yankee space on the internetGo back to Reddit
No.503725
>>503557<90%More like 97 to 98%
No.503726
>>503692>When the USSR dissolved, thanks to neoliberal policies, inequity exploded, illiteracy exploded, endemic diseases that were extinct returned, child prostitution was common. All of this stopped, all data reflects they curved income inequity, GINI coef. lowered, illiteracy was reduced, those diseases were reduced.Not that guy. Yes Putin moved the economy left compared to 90s neo-liberalism and he gets points for that. Russia haters are wrong for not recognizing this, but Russia's population is still declining. What's up with that, why isn't there a recovery ?
No.503727
>>503704the extent of this dissent is probably something along the lines of
>NOOOOO I need to consoom russian gas aaaaaaaaa No.503728
>>503722The founder of Donetsk People's Republic is a Moscow native and member of Putin's political party Alexander Borodai. He went into Ukraine, established a separatist state and then moved back to live in Moscow. A lot of these guys, not all of course, are not even Ukrainians. They travel into the country to fight as "separatists" and then leave. Average people probably just want peace and to be left alone.
No.503729
>>503725kys burger faggot
No.503730
>>503720not really true, Givi was a local worker wasn't he
No.503731
>>503720The question isn't whether the war/movement was coopted and won by Russia (it was), the question is whether the movement has support in the areas, and it does
No.503734
>>503728Shhh, you are wrecking their dream about DNR/LNR being Le Basado Worker States and not warlord-controlled shitholes used for Russian imperialism.
No.503735
>>503704>Orbán is actually basedkys burger faggot
No.503736
>>503729you are delusional
>>503704haha
No.503737
>>503735America bad, anti-america good, you should learn this by heart
No.503739
>>503734Exactly bro. Russian imperialism is currently a growing threat that must be dealt with ASAP. Hopefully Ukraine perseveres
No.503741
>>503737literally true in every single situation for 77 years
No.503742
>>503733a daring synthesis
>>503727Well, yes
No.503744
>>503637I don't want to listen manowar
No.503745
>>503739Agree on the first one, but disagree on the second one: current Ukraine should be abolished because it's an oligarch-run reactionary shithole. Unfortunately, no true socialist movements there after all the "LEFT = RUSSIAN" propaganda.
No.503748
>>503696>>503688Talking about "arguments" lol
>The ideology of Hizballah also contains features of class analysis. In Leninistthought, conflicts are viewed as the products of struggle between exploited and
exploiting classes. This view is shared by Hizballah although the Leninist terms are Islamized. Thus, the exploited classes are referred to as al-mustad‘afun (a Quranic term which means the downtrodden, or more precisely those who are rendered weak), and the exploiting classes are referred to as al-mustakbirun (another Quranic word that means the arrogant ones, the exact opposite of mustad‘afun) … Like Leninist thought, Hizballah believes that justice and equality can be achieved through human efforts, through a revolutionary process. Hizballah represents a revolutionary version of Shiite Islam. (AbuKhalil 1991, 395)
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/governing-for-revolution/hezbollah/502A7A23B397EE4346E3654A41ED299A(Use sci-hub, etc)
Let's see how you slander Iran and Hezbollah, more.
No.503749
>>503721>except that the communist party in Russia keeps raising its presence in the DoumaSo? Putin isn't part of the communist party, and every time they actually seriously oppose him on something he arrests their leaders and represses them.
>It is part of his policies, or else he would de-communize as Poland didRussia did de-communize in every practical sense, insofar as it destroyed the institutions of the Soviet Union and restored the power of the bourgeoisie. The only reason why superficial lip service is paid to the USSR is because most Russians view it positively, so denouncing it too aggressively would be political suicide.
>and always pretending they are imperialistsThere are only two kinds of capitalist states: imperialists and aspiring imperialists. Besides, even taking that into account I still would prefer Russia to win the current standoff in Ukraine, so your accusations of me being pro-NATO are foolish.
No.503750
>>503728And the founder of the Donestk Republic Party is a Ukrainian in 2005 who went to Donestsk State Technical University and they won 68% of the vote in 2014
No.503751
>>503708something here goes very wrong
No.503752
>>503741based ISIS supporter
No.503753
>>503750Isn't he some Nazbol guy who was later banned by the DPR from running lmao
No.503754
>>503718if you think that the baltics joining NATO isn't a provocation you don't understand geopolitics
>>503738When the COLD War ended NATO promised not to incorporate ex-communist staes into NATO. NATO broke this promise. NATO is the aggressor.
>>503728Eastern Ukraine is made up of ethinc Russians, no shit people move between Russia and Eastern Ukraine, they are part of the same nation.
No.503755
>>503723STFU ignorant cuck
No.503756
> In 2011–2013 Pushilin volunteered for a recent successor of the Russian Ponzi scheme company MMM, which in 1990s cost its customers millions of dollars before it was disbanded in 1994 and revived in 2011.[6][7][4] Pushilin never denied involvement with the company.[8] Despite the MMM's record, the Ministry of Justice allowed registration of the MMM party in Ukraine.
> As a member of the newly created MMM-party and part of the MMM Global as an abbreviation for "We Have One Goal" (Ukrainian: Ми Маємо Мету), Pushilin failed to win a seat in the 15 December 2013 repeat elections of the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary election in simple-majority constituencies number 94 (located in Obukhiv) because got only 0.08% of the votes.
> Denis Pushilin, the self-proclaimed chairman of the republic stated that he does not envision the Donetsk People's Republic becoming an independent state, instead preferring to join a renewed Russian Empire.
lmao
No.503758
>>503637Is that the band? I've had the Sabaton channel reply to my comments before, but this is something else kek
No.503759
>>503689>NATO troops are symbolicthe absolute state
No.503760
>>503754>When the COLD War ended NATO promised not to incorporate ex-communist staes into NATO. NATO broke this promise. NATO is the aggressor. Yeah, and only a complete moron for a leader that is thinking with their wallet would let themselves believe that wouldn't be the case.
No.503761
>>503733Based meme. Saved.
No.503762
>>503755>>503755Want me to give you the link?
No.503764
>>503748Can you keep this islamic capitalism bullshit discussion somewhere else?
No.503765
why didn't Ukraine join Nato
No.503766
>>503752nice try but ISIS was created by the US and Israel
No.503767
>>503726>Russia haters are wrong for not recognizing this, but Russia's population is still declining. What's up with that, why isn't there a recovery?Because it is still a capitalist country, why else, lol. I acknowledge their deficiencies, also, their fertility rate are higher than the E.U. average, in that regard.
No.503768
>>503760a broken promise is a broken promise
No.503769
>>503752>DAESH is anti-americangigakek
No.503770
>>503764Oh yes, there can't be progressive tendencies in religious thought, folks like Ali Shariati
and Jesus didn't exist
No.503771
>>503760>only a complete moron let me tell you about a boy named Mikhail Sergeyevich
No.503772
>>503748Pretty based and informative actually, although not sure how we've ended up discussing this in the Ukraine thread.
Make a Hezbollah thread tbqh
No.503775
>>503753>the people of the republics are all crazy!doesn't really matter
In 2020, a slim majority of Luhansk citizens polled wanted the recognition of the independence of the Republics. (And the opinion was pretty divided, a slim majority in Donetsk agreed with Ukrainian demands). I can find the link if you'd like, Ukrainian poll.
No.503776
>>503773radlibs will say this proves that we need to go with war with Russia, because Russia bad, slav mad bad
No.503777
>>503774they forgot to capitalize US
No.503779
>>503757>there are communists everywhere, but in none of these conflictsno argument needed
No.503780
>>503748isnt hezbolla just a palestinian cuck party who vote all the measures the lebanon gov wants?
Like i think they are mostly intrested in antizionism
No.503782
>>503780too based for some
No.503783
>>503780Its a Shia party that goes along with the Lebanese gov because they are allowed to operate a state within a state
No.503785
>>503773is semen a common name in ukraine
No.503786
>>503776Who is going to war with Russia? Is someone planning this? Is Ukraine going to invade Russia? This narrative doesnt make sense.
No.503787
People's Temple was based before it has gone schizo to be honest
No.503789
>>503785Yes, it is a common slavic name, like Gayorgy
No.503791
>>503680>>503672Oh right Hezbollah, an islamist organisation, the working class needs religious reactionaries like a hole in the head.
No.503792
>>503768What good does complaining about a broken promise do? Blame NATO sure, but the world's most "gullible" and newly minted Russian leaders are also to blame. The betrayal is being entirely externalized when there are people responsible still living in luxury within Russia's borders.
>>503771Yeah, and then there's Yeltsin who needed to get filthy rich so he could quickly drink himself to death like a pre-revolution peasant. If fascism is a bundle of faggots then you could use this definition to call late USSR fascism
this is a joke for the autists reading btw No.503794
>>503791>Hezbollah is worse than Lebanese """government"""really educated post here
No.503795
>>503764Wasn't me who brought a shit atlk about Iran.
>>503733BASED a fuck post.
>>503728>implying a single man "funded" shit.>Average people probably just want peace and to be left alone.there were multiple polls indicating this stuff and they said they wanted to be part of Russia, especially after the Odessa events. Even the muslim minorities were polled from time to time just to see if liberals could screech "muh ethnic minorities" and they were consistently happy with 90% supporting Russian assistance.
No.503796
>>503792>If fascism is a bundle of faggots then you could use this definition to call late USSR fascismkek
No.503797
>>503792> If fascism is a bundle of faggotsBest language joke
No.503798
>>503720>If you really want to understand Russia / Ukraine you have to go ALL THE WAY BACK to the ancient past of 2014According to Ian Traynor, the Guardian's longtime Moscow and Eastern Europe correspondent, the Orange Revolution followed a pattern developed in Yugoslavia to overthrow the government of Slobodan Milošević. After that, it was continued in Georgia as the so-called Rose Revolution.[46] What seemed spontaneous was, according to this account, the result of underground networking within opposition groups. Student activists and academics were the leaders, including the Ukrainian Pora! consisted almost entirely of students. The previously best-known subversive movement was Otpor, a movement of young people and students that helped bring pro-EU Vojislav Kostunica to power in Serbia. In Georgia 2003 the analogue movement was named Kmara. A movement in Belarus is called Subr. It appeared in the local elections in 2004. The Ukrainian student movement Pora! was considered a terrorist organization by some Ukrainian media and security forces. Six Pora! activists were arrested in mid-November 2004 on suspicion of terrorism because explosives, detonators and a grenade were allegedly found on them. Western governments and Yushchenko's supporters, on the other hand, held the Pora! not for a terrorist organization.[46][47][48]
The activists of these movements were trained by a coalition of professional Western advisers, aides and pollsters. The activities were funded and supported by Western governments, agencies and organizations such as the Konrad Adenauer Foundation[49] and - according to the British daily The Guardian - by the US State Department and USAID together with the National Democratic Institute, the International Republican Institute, the Freedom House organization, which is largely funded by the American government, and billionaire George Soros with his Open Society Institute. The German weekly Die Zeit claimed, among other things, that Yushchenko and his circle received at least 65 million US dollars through various channels from the USA alone. The aim of the USA is to expand NATO and weaken the EU in this way. [50][51][46]
Before the elections, Yushchenko also promised that he would tear up the plan for a Eurasian economic area if he won.
No.503800
>>503775No need I'm supportive of the people there and don't like Ukraine at all, I think they've largely brought all this upon themselves, but there are lots of shady fascistic characters involved who shouldn't be left to go under the radar.
No.503801
>>503785You've never heard of the hero of the soviet people, Semen Hitler?
No.503802
>>503783Tbh they dont just go along ,they have taken minister seats a plenty of corruption scandals(although you are correct that hezbollah and the party are distinct ,the ideologues hild positions with the armed wing while the corrupt one get ministries)
No.503803
>>503596BDE post.
>>503601Disagreeing. Iran is the only state fighting Israel and is taking concrete steps to ensure this happens.
>>503613>>503627>>503693Finally things get some more into motion.
>>503622Even if it is for a few months the additional expenses to cover for heightened gas prices could easily strain Italy Spain and probably even Belgium public finances in Europe or if not addressed simply lead to a wider crisis.
>>503733<Dengoid vs GonzaloidFbi vs CIA arc confirmed?
No.503805
>>503791>class traitor>chauvinistic>pseudYou honor Lenin poorly.
No.503806
EXCLUSIVE (Reuters) Biden administration has prepared export controls to hit Russian companies with alleged military ties and deny Russians access to global technology, including electronics and computershttps://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1496170434290724878The game is stepping up, AGAIN.
Very fond of these developments.
No.503807
i'm so fucking horny for war please mr. putin i need to cum
No.503808
>>503806> including electronics and computersPlease no
No.503809
>>503806Putinism is when no iPhone
No.503810
>>503808hope you like huawei because that's all you're getting lol
No.503811
>>503806This will hurt bad in the long run. Russia will be wiped from the map if it cant keep up with the arms race.
No.503812
>>503808SMIC is gonna receive A LOT of money.
Also Huawei and Xiaomi.
No.503813
>>503791>the working class needs religious reactionaries like a hole in the head.cool idealism bro
yeah the people of lebanon should just bootstrap themselves to being based MLs
the materialist dialectic is irrelevant after all unless the people fighting in it meet the correct ideological conditions
this is definitely what marx and lenin though
No.503814
>>503811Russia will have to pool its resources with Iran China Dprk.
No.503815
>>503804gaddafi just making the west go mask-off out of nowhere was my enlightenment moment, i wonder how many other people had the same experience
No.503817
Any chance these sanctions will cause Russia to go Dengist
No.503818
>>503805leninhat has no desire to be any sort of honourable advocate of lenin
No.503819
>>503543LiveJournal was the main place I followed events from russo-ukrainian conflict beginning in 2014
No.503820
>>503810huawei is dope and affordable so yes
No.503821
>>503817For sure they'll have to seek collaboration with Iran Dprk and China a lot more, lest they remain hopelessly behind in everything.
No.503822
I feel sorry for that one drawfag Ukraianon.
No.503823
These bastards took my consoomer electronics
No.503824
>>503814Only China stands out as a strong force. I hope CPC will buy property from the oligarchs and start developing Russia.
No.503825
>>503806>including electronics and computersbut most of those are built in china
No.503826
>>503821>>503817Multipolarity/bipolarity is upon us
No.503828
putler no nintendo no iphone 2022
No.503829
>>503825Not the high quality shit.
China has problems going under 28nm lithography iirc.
No.503831
Damn Leninhat, you need to get laid. Touch some grass, smh.
No.503833
>>503774I can't wait for an actual war in the streets and fields of America desu. They haven't had a good one since 1865, it's about fucking time they experienced what they've been doing to other countries.
No.503834
>>503816He talks a lot about imperialism, yet he slanders to hell the resistance forces that kicks the imperialists balls. The guy is a threat.
>>503806Aw more atlanticism cope.
No.503835
>>503817Russian oligarchy keeps communist party under their boot. Dengism cancelled.
No.503836
>>503827Putin is an anti-communist of the highest caliber and the CPC is revisionist at best
No.503837
>>503835> oligarchy keeps communist party under their boot. DengismAbridged it for you
No.503838
>>503837Sides just imploded
No.503839
>>503827You need to get rid of bourgeoisie dictatorship (aka Putinism) first.
No.503840
>>503831Leninhat after a hard days work at the communism factory:
Time to talk about literally anything but Ukraine in the Ukraine thread! No.503841
>>503837CPC makes porkies dissapear and reappear as they wish. Putin whores himself to oligarchs for tasteless luxury mansions.
No.503842
bros, what happens after Putin and Xi die? They're both 70. Obv don't believe in Great Man Theory, but what if the faggy power groups win control in the ensuing entropy
No.503843
>>503840"If I just make one more post, the revolution will kick off. I can feel it!"
No.503844
McFaul: "Russia has invaded!!!11!!!1! It fucking happooooned!"
No.503846
>>503817Why would they?
Like, is there any logic to your question or you just want russia go dengist for whatever reason and hoping any random event will cause that?
No.503847
>>503842Once Putin dies, Russia will probably fucking devour itself.
China, on the other hand, has a perfectly functioning Party and will continue on without Xi.
No.503848
>>503842Damn, Xi looks good for 70
No.503849
>>503844"Putin signed a deal referring to the People's Republics. That's what Stalin called them." Actual quote lmao. Josimir Putlin strikes again
No.503850
>>503844McFaul: MUST RAPE RUSSIAN CHILDREN
No.503851
Let's recap
>NS2 on halt
>Potential devastating sanctions on tech
in exchange for
<2 shitty bombed out oblasts of Ukraine
I'm starting to believe this tactic could backfire in the long term
No.503852
>>503851In return for NATO never ever
No.503853
>>503847I hope some based KPRF higher up goes full Derg purge on the rest of them and makes the party based again when it happens.
No.503854
>>503851NS2 won't be halted
No.503855
>>503854 I think it will but I welcome if not
No.503856
>>503842Say what you want about the PRC but the CPC does NOT rely on Xi, as good as he is, and its mechanisms of governance are strong and far reaching inside Chinese society. Worse thing that could happen is some glow attempt that's likely to be subdued either by the nationalist element or the socialist elements within the party.
Putin's is not a statesman in the same caliber as Xi and the CPC, his death will make Russia descend into turmoil where oligarchs will duke it out like warlords era China.
No.503857
Americans really were retarded for thinking that NATO could ever be in the Ukraine. It's so unbelievably arrogant
No.503858
thread full
make new thread and link it
No.503859
>>503682>nato=naziLet me be clear: anyone who implies NATO is not the criminal organization it is, even while being facetious, deserves a permaban
No.503860
>>503854If so is a win for Putin.
I don't think that will happen though.
NATO war machine is on turbo mode.
No.503861
>>503854Scholz already said it is.
>>503851Russia has pondered between capitalism letting its people die or protecting its people. The second it is what they aim.
No.503862
>>503859Heusinger was just a whoopsiedaisy
No.503863
>>503847>>503856From what I heard, Shoigu will be the chosen successor, and since he's got the army, it's pretty much game over for any civil conflict
No.503864
>>503810huawei has been top tier phone for years now, doofus
No.503866
>>503682You forgot that communism died as we were being born
No.503867
>>503861John Bolton just said on MSNBC that what Scholz did is only a temporary measure
No.503868
>>503863> From what I heard, Shoigu will be the chosen successorThere are a lot of rumors and "inside information" about all these deep state hidden poliics, there are really no reliable sources of information on what demented bunkerman will do
No.503869
>>503861They aren't halting it, they're just "reassessing certification" which is what they've said for months now. Nothing has changed. The Westoid media is just spiking the football about it
No.503870
>>503865fug that actually is bad
No.503871
>>503817Russia will only become socialist if it has an internal revolution, which will not happen anytime soon.
No.503872
imagine putin declares war on the 2022-02-22 at 22:22
No.503873
>And Putin's conclusion that “the Leninist principles of state building turned out to be not just a mistake, it was, as they say, much worse than a mistake. After the collapse of the USSR in 1991, this became absolutely obvious, ” is also obvious as untenable and even false. Lenin's principles were tested by the Great Patriotic War, in which Putin's friends, his favorite philosopher and the striped flag fought on the other side of the front - on the side of the Nazis. This is a historical fact and the main class conclusion. Putin is trying to get away from this: “ Of course, the events of the past cannot be changed, but we must at least speak about them directly and honestly, without any reservations, and without any political overtones.” This is lovely. It's like - without political overtones? Just stupidity? The class output is Vlasov and Bandera then fought on the same side of the front! Today? It seems to be among themselves, but in reality they work together for the interests of the most powerful and reactionary capitals.
No.503874
>>503872trips and this happens
No.503875
trips and i die
No.503876
>>503871It takes one martyr in minecraft…
No.503877
>>503872fuck, this reminds me that /siberia/ is locked until 6 pm EST, and I'll be working then, and won't have a chance to get the 222222
No.503878
>>503876anarchist nonsense
No.503880
Russell Bentley live on Grayzone stream right now
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9Mfv2M9q8vc No.503881
Does halting NS2 even hurt Russia that much? Didn't they just agree to a massive fuckoff pipeline with China
No.503882
>>503813Working class revolutionary communism must always stand independently of religious reactionaries.
No.503884
>>503867Pf, if it were for Bolton NATO should invade the world that doesn't agree with the U.S. lmao, including Russia.
No.503886
>>503881listen to the war nerd. Yes but itll be finished around 2030. Then Europe is fucked
No.503887
>>503873Russia and Ukraine and NATO all fight for capitalist oligarchies. They're all bad people and governments, no one here seems to dispute that. But NATO losing is still a net-positive development. I'm not sure I can say it more clearly
No.503888
>>503868What's the story behind "demented bunkerman"?
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>>503880> GrayzoneAre you serious?
No.503891
>>503884He deeply wants the pipeline to be killed, he would actually know about this, yes he's a freak
>>503882Where was working class communism in 2006? Should Hezbollah have ceded that territory to Israel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War No.503893
>>503889Nothing wrong with them when they aren't talking about covid
No.503894
>>503893Do you read Strategic Culture Foundation too?
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>west won't even sanction Putin
kwab
No.503898
>>503896What will personal sanctions on Putin achieve except for PR effect? He doesn't have any known personal property and accounts in the West
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>>503880now hosted on cytube
Russell Bentley live on Grayzonehttps://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast No.503902
>>503901just figured I could use some help to sleep
No.503903
>>503898Haven you heard. Every Russian oligarch is just a proxy for managing and hiding Putin's money.
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>>503903the other way around its quite true!
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>>503898However Putins minions western assets are well documented and that will hurt their big egos and spoiled children a lot.
> What do you mean we can't go to our mansion in Spain this easter dad? You telling us we have to gotto Sochi?This coupled with average Russians getting poorer surely to have an impact
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>>503848Nah it's just crackers that age like shit
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>>503891The proletariat had no stake in that fight. The tasks for middle Eastern communists are toppling the bourgeoisie, Zionist colonialism, jihadis and Turkish imperialism.
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>>503905And what does it have with personal sanctions on pootler?
No.503909
>>503878Anything is better than Putin and chaos gives opportunities. The goal should always be to support the local Communist Party.
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>>503911this isn't even because of aging, its because he was half-alive (and even that seems generous) when this photo was taken. corpses never look great
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>>503910It was a war between Zionists and islamists, the proletariat was cannon fodder.
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>>503907STFU pseud. That's defeatism that Lenin threw into the trash can.
Hezbollah the fighters are not only popular and interconnected with the working class (who else but workers made the rockets that wrecked zionist's skie, the tunnels that interconnected areas of occupied Palestine, and more recently), the zionist state of Israel has used all his PR to satanize them and sabotage the socialist takes they have. You pathetic krautkyism can't understand they managed to Islamize Marxism up to some point, as Mao sinicized Marx. And any revolutionary man should be proud of this processes.
You couldn't anglonize Marx even if you were given half a millenia of life to do it, because you are:
Class traitor, chauvinistic, imperialist, and pseud poser.
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>>503914I know you refuse all nuance, but Lebanon not turning into Palestine is actually a good thing
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>>503913When is this starting?
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Is it the same leninhat who supported deportations of tatars?
No.503921
>>503892>red ribbon army>REDHoly fuck how did I not catch this before
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>>503873It's just a juvenile position of russian capitalists who blame USSR for not providing those capitalists with a bigger empire - after those same capitalists were the reason Soviet sphere of influence was lost to begin with, their rampant privatization drive caused this.
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>>503914You're honestly fascinating, you have the exact politics of a stalinist's caricature of trots/leftcom ultras but fervently consider yourself a stalinist.
Its like you got the manual for being a vulgar ML but were too stupid to not confuse what your 'enemies' politics were supposed to be and what yours were.
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FUCK NORDSTREAM, gas is overrated. Cold showers and just get induction plates. Wim Hof gang unite against Russian Imperialism
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>>503924Have you considered the possiblity that caricature depicts reality very closely?
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>>503920of course not but it's kind of an irrelevant position, unfortunately
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>>503920Would you have "supported" D-day against the nazis?
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no matter what invasion scenario takes place, everyone should remember that beyond the frames of all academic theories, realism, liberalism etc. or any given analyses, what is happening is that a great power of 142 million with one of the largest economies in the world and the second or third most powerful military is terrorizing and invading a nation of 44 million, the poorest country in europe. the human tragedy has been immense, and will be immense. one can talk about nato expansion, but putin has real agency and he is calling all the shots now
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>>503930Topkek. So the Russian speakers being oppressed by Nazis doesnt matter
No.503933
>>503932Imaginary conflicts really don't matter to be honest
No.503935
>>503934There is nothing of interest
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>>503930>terrorizingTop lol. MSNBC reporter just admitted that Ukrainians didn't believe any Western propaganda about WW3
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>>503892someone screencap. I'm no good at it
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