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 No.503155[Last 50 Posts]

WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE EDITION

Let's maintain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.


LIVE UPDATES AND COMMENTARY

https://liveuamap.com/
>Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexac
>Updates from a pro-Donetsk, Ukrainian-speaking US veteran from the region:
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday
>For Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)


INTERNATIONAL LAW CONTEXT AND HISTORY

The Crimea Crisis: An International Law Perspective
https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/Marxsen_2014_-_The_crimea_crisis_-_an_international_law_perspective.pdf

International reactions to the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation


LATEST NEWS

Ukraine shelled two schools in the Donetsk region, killing one person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-IC-u-yl70

Vladimir Putin has ordered Russian troops to “maintain peace” in two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine, hours after the Russian president recognised Donetsk and Luhansk as independent entities.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/21/us-warns-of-possible-targeted-killings-by-russia-live-news

KYIV (Reuters) -Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy accused Russia of wrecking peace efforts and ruled out making any territorial concessions in an address to the nation in the early hours of Tuesday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-has-destroyed-peace-efforts-but-we-wont-give-up-any-of-our-land-zelenskiy-says/ar-AAU8Cfd?ocid=BingNews

BRUSSELS — A top European Union official says Russia's recognition of the Ukrainian separatist regions of Luhansk and Donetsk as independent states and to send troops into the territories is an "act of war."
https://www.startribune.com/the-latest-eu-says-russias-moves-are-act-of-war/600149191/

WASHINGTON, Feb 21 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin's decision to send troops he called peacemakers into breakaway regions of Ukraine did not constitute a further invasion that would trigger a broader sanctions package, a Biden administration official told Reuters on Monday, but the White House believes a full invasion could come at any time.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-casts-doubt-biden-summit-with-putin-eyes-new-sanctions-tuesday-official-2022-02-21/

WASHINGTON, February 22. /TASS/. US President Joe Biden signed a decree on sanctions over Russia’s recognition of the sovereignty of the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR and DPR). The document, among other things, establishes a ban for Americans to finance and invest in the DPR and LPR as well as on trade with the republics.
https://tass.com/world/1407797

Boris Johnson will chair a meeting of the UK’s emergency Cobra committee on Tuesday morning to sign off a package of sanctions against Russia after its military occupation of the two breakaway states in eastern Ukraine.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/21/uk-impose-sanctions-russia-attack-ukraine-sovereignty

Leaders from the European Union and the United Kingdom vowed Monday to impose sanctions over Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to recognize two separatist regions in eastern Ukraine as independent.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/21/us-warns-of-possible-targeted-killings-by-russia-live-news


ACTIVE STREAMS
RT Live: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash

 No.503156

List of bourgeois media streams on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ukrtaine+live+stream

 No.503157

nichts Burger

 No.503158

nada de hamburguesa

 No.503159

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Picture of Russia invading Ukraine

 No.503160

>>503155
I hate the US

 No.503161

>21 february
>Putin has recognized the independence of the Donbass republics
>The war to end this 8 year conflict starts tomorow
>Ukraine will begin it's attack and then Russia will intervene liberating the republics and most or all of Ukraine

Hopium or Copium?

 No.503162

>>503157
If the expectation was open war between US/NATO and Russia, then of course nothing was going to happen. However, Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014, when Luhansk and Donetsk regions declared independence from Ukraine following the Euromaidan protest/coup d'état. What we're seeing now is the same playbook Putin used for Crimea.
>region with majority Russian-speakers has a referendum on leaving Ukraine
>majority vote yes
>Russia "supports" from a distance (or so they say)
>Ukraine tries to regain the territory
>Russia moves troops in for peacekeeping and to protect the Russian population
My prediction for the
>near future
is that LPR and DPR will become Russian satellite states (perhaps getting annexed years down the line, but not this generation). Ukraine will broker a peace deal relatively soon, after they realise US/NATO is not going to help them against Russia. Ukraine will continue to shake its fists at Donetsk and use them as a Big Other in anti-Russian, nationalist propaganda.
>Not-so-near-but-not-so-distant-future:
Everyone will move on, except the seething Ukrainian neo-Nazis that will only become further radicalised, and will be a big problem, especially as their ideology spreads and they receive more funding from around the world because of this "invasion". I wonder how much of the military equipment being sent currently is arming the Azov Battalion. We'll never know, and it's probably more than they say.

 No.503163

>>503161
ngl I kinda hope thats it for this year. Leave a man rest.

 No.503164

>>503161
>and most or all of Ukraine
Russia will stop at the border of the LPR and DPR-declared/claimed territory. For all the screams about "international law", Putin is walking a fine line. LPR and DPR voted in a referendum to be independent from Ukraine, majority are Russian speakers and millions of them have Russian passports. It's not much different than what KFOR is doing in Kosovo.
>Kosovo Force (KFOR) is currently deployed in the Balkans to maintain a safe and secure environment, freedom of movement for all citizens in Kosovo and to facilitate the Euro-Atlantic integration of the Western Balkans.
>facilitate the Euro-Atlantic integration of the Western Balkans
https://shape.nato.int/ongoingoperations/nato-mission-in-kosovo-kfor-
US/NATO support separatist movements when it suits them and their allies, e.g. Kosovo, but is against them when the movements are inconvenient for them and their allies, e.g. Catalonia.

 No.503165

Lenin founded Ukraine, therefore I stand with them.

 No.503166


 No.503167

>>503160 shame

 No.503168


 No.503169

Bourgeois nationalists, Ukrainian or Russian fascists, should have their eyes removed with rusty spoons.

 No.503170

>>503169
based leftcom

 No.503171

>>503169
Ok tankie

 No.503172

>>503169
anarchist moment

 No.503173

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 No.503174

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>>503169
The most based post in this thread.

For all you complaining about the Azov Batallion, never forget Russia's own Neo Nazis fight with the separatists.

It is WORKERS OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE - Marxism should offer no support to bourgeois nationalists or fascists!

 No.503175

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 No.503176

>>503169
Quit seething. No one should like Putin, but if they’re able to at least make NATO back down, then it’s good for both the development of Russian Communism and possibly communism around the world.

 No.503177

>>503163
Anon…
Translated: LNR parliament is going to ask Ukranians to leave the entire Luhansk oblast

 No.503178

>>503174
So what? If by some miracle Russia gets communists to ascend back into power, the Russian Nazis can all hang. But NATO boxing in Russia and maybe even overtaking it will make a world that’s a fuck of a lot safer for Nazism than Russia pushing back NATO

 No.503179

Russian Duma reportedly considering legislation to mandate Ukraine threads a Leninhat-free Zone

 No.503180

>>503174
>We should do no such thing because St. Karl told us so
You can’t avoid this sort of conflict, it’s actually gonna happen and one outcome makes it easier for communism to overtake the world and one outcome makes it harder. Grow the fuck up

 No.503181

>>503174
They also have Communists fighting alongside them and communist parties within their respective Governments.

I'm not saying these people aren't worth criticism, far from it, but there is a chance that these polities have the ability to become their own socialist govs alongside the chance that they could also crash and burn into reactionary goo

Fact is, these seperatists have launched a meaningful resistance against Ukranian fascism. It's not fully socialist, of course, but it's an opportunity to stick it to NATO and to stick it to the Azov Battalion.

 No.503182

MOEX making Stuka sounds

Japan is not happy and considers sanctions. Germany also. EU will talk sanctions this afternoon

 No.503183

>>503178
"If by some miracle".

Yes exactly, by some 'miracle'. There is no chance of it happening.

The KPRF are completely useless and do whatever Putin says. They aren't going to get into power, at least not into any sort of meaningful position.


>>503180

'St. Karl'.

Unsurprisingly the pro-Russian types outright admit they've no interest in actual Marxism and resort to the sort of revisionist phraseology of socdems and radlibs.

The real person who has to grow up is you, and accept there isn't a good outcome.

>>503181

The 'Communist' movement in these regions are little more than people with nostalgia for the Soviet Union who conflate socialism with Russian nationalism.

The problem is 'sticking it to the Azov' battalion has now involved them bringing in National Bolsheviks and Russian National Unity.

It reveals a lot that so many people here will shout about Ukrainian Neo-Fascists, yet their anti-fascism only lasts as long as the flag the fascists march under is Yellow and Blue.

 No.503184

>>503162
You should really chek out Transnistria, Abhazia, Osetia.

 No.503185

>>503183
>Unsurprisingly the pro-Russian types outright admit they've no interest in actual Marxism and resort to the sort of revisionist phraseology of socdems and radlibs.
You're projecting faggot.

 No.503186

I think it's time to dedust this essay by Vladislav Surkov who was one of the top Russian advisors involved in the Ukraine situation. It gives an insight on how the Kremlin's big shots are reasoning.
We had a thread about it at some point but I don't know if it's been archived.
https://actualcomment-ru.translate.goog/kuda-delsya-khaos-raspakovka-stabilnosti-2111201336.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 No.503187

>>503186
>This translation service isn't available in your region
Bruh

 No.503188

>>503187
https://actualcomment.ru/kuda-delsya-khaos-raspakovka-stabilnosti-2111201336.html
Here's the link, maybe you can try DeepL or learn Russian quick.

 No.503189

>>503169
For me its /thread
Even if i don't believe in glorifying violence

 No.503190

>>503189
You're buying into naive moralism. Fascist are useful when they're killing eachother.

 No.503191

>>503190
Except the part where it's workers that die by the millions

 No.503192

>>503191
Don't worry war doesn't work that way anymore. Once the advance equipment is destroyed the war ends, see Armenia-Azerbijan. Only a few thousand people will die.

 No.503193

>>503187
>he can't read and understand Russian cyrillic
wait, how do you read Lenin then?

 No.503194

>>503169
>>503174
>>503183
Based takes Comrades! Anti-Revisionists are the adults who understand that taking sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts and picking one group of Fascists over another will not lead to Socialism, but instead will lead to being a obscure footnote of history. The only path forward is Protracted People’s War against all Capitalist, Imperialist, Comprador, Fascist, Liberal, and Revisionist states worldwide (first in the Periphery and Semi-Periphery countries, and once material conditions deteriorate enough, in the Imperial Core itself). LONG LIVE THE PROTRACTED PEOPLES WARS IN INDIA, THE PHILIPPINES, TURKEY, AND PERU! LONG LIVE MARXISM-LENINISM-MAOISM! WORKERS AND OPPRESSED NATIONS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

 No.503195

>>503190
Fascists are cowards who prefer mowing down civilians over killing the other team's fascists.
Unless you manage to lock down all fascists in one room, the collateral damage is too high

 No.503196

>>503194
take your meds schizo

 No.503197

>Joint Forces Operation: 84 ceasefire violations yesterday. 2 Ukrainian servicemen killed, 18 wounded

 No.503198

>>503196
Among people who warmonger for one side or another he might not be the craziest of all

 No.503199

>>503198
His post history says otherwise.

 No.503200

>>503193
I have the revolting hypothesis that Lenin had been sufficiently well known to have his work translated in other languages than his own.

 No.503201

>>503200
traduttore, traditore tho

 No.503202

>>503196
Is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism “Schizo” to you, Revisionist?

 No.503203

>>503190
The problem is we have no vanguard poised to take advantage of that.

>>503194
Ppw is having close to 0 results in Turkey and Peru, little results in the Philippine and in India even if they're having results they're simply gaining back previously lost strength.

Btw Myanmar is also having a ppw, you should know since it's people from your tendency waging it (sadly with Gonzalo influences which will probably spoil everything).

 No.503204

>>503202
You are schizo, also retarded.

 No.503205

Pure ideology

 No.503206

>>503202
Gonzalo? Yes.

Sison? No. even if i don't 100% agree with him.

 No.503207

>>503202
>Is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism “Schizo”
yes, yes it is

 No.503208

>>503203
No need for vanguard, but there is a need for organized workers. Something that did happen in Donbass back in 2014.

 No.503209

Are there pro-Russian demonstrations in other parts of the country and shit? Or too early?

 No.503210

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>>503183
I was reading a statement by the Russian Communist Workers' Party (RKRP-CPSU) on Donbass and I'll post some experts below. This group seems to position itself to the left of the KPRF as an anti-revisionist-type organization and also endorsed the KRPF's proposal to recognize the republics.

>The imperialists always compete fiercely with each other, and it is in their interest to weaken the competitor. The example of the fight against Nord Stream for the sake of capturing the European market with liquefied gas from the United States is very indicative. Just business, as the gentlemen say. And the sweat of the essence is an unbridled thirst for profit! It is precisely for this that it is beneficial for Western imperialists to play off the peoples of Russia and Ukraine, thereby logically continuing the destruction of the legacy of the Soviet Union. They succeed to a large extent. But the basis of the movement of resistance to their misanthropic policy is the working class of Donbass, those same miners and tractor drivers, whose contribution to the rebuff to the Nazis was recalled by Putin. Soviet sentiment prevailed in this movement, and the red flags of the USSR were symbols of this struggle. Naturally, the desire of the bourgeoisie of all competing parties to suppress this resistance - and in this they are not enemies, but like-minded people and allies.


>That is why we constantly explain to the working people that it is possible and necessary to exploit the cracks in the camp of capital, but one must be vigilant. The Russian authorities, who are currently providing situational assistance to Donbass, are at the same time constantly bargaining with the United States and the EU, and at any moment they can betray and sell, cross out the results of the selfless struggle of the working people of Donbass against the Nazis.


>We Communists stand on the point of view that there is no peace and unity with the fascists, and there cannot be. That the existence of people's republics, even in the current status of "unrecognized" for the workers, is much more preferable than their submission to fascist punishers. And if you manage to achieve recognition - even better. It is better to achieve the unification of the forces of the LNR and the DNR in a single alliance, as, for example, was proposed in the Novorossiya project in 2014. But we never lose sight of perspective. And the best prospect for the people of Donbass is the victory of socialism both in Russia and in Ukraine. Then the question of where and how to enter would become an irrelevant question, and it would be decided by the working people themselves, uniting in a new state of workers and peasants - the new Soviet Union. This is the most preferred status for the working people!


>The main direction of the struggle for this goal is the organization of the working class through the unification of the Workers' Front, workers' trade unions, workers' councils, and the strengthening of the communist organizations of the republics. In the parliament's appeal to the president, the deputies praise the unrecognized republics for allegedly " democratic bodies have been built in them on the basis of the will of the people."Yes, nothing like that! The original revolutionary spirit of people's democracy has long been lost in the DNR and LNR. The largely naive, sincere impulses to establish real people's power, for which the brigade commander Mozgovoy, the people's commanders Dremov, Givi, Motorola, Batman and other militia leaders who were killed under unclear circumstances and customers, were buried. Through the efforts of the local and Russian bourgeoisie, the usual reactionary capitalist regimes were established, with curtailed democracy, with a high degree of exploitation of workers, social stratification, with the power of criminalized capital under the slogan of "people's democracy", which is essentially a bourgeois dictatorship. Their abominations, from non-payment of wages and the ban on any protests and strikes to the removal of militias, workers, those same miners and tractor drivers from participation in political life and in elections, the authorities cynically cover up martial law. So the comrades in the Donbass have to fight in particularly difficult conditions. And the working class of Donbass, as well as the working class of Russia and Ukraine, will face a common struggle against the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.


>The Communists at the Lugansk Conference in 2019 determined: the struggle for the workers' cause is our strategy! It must be unifying for all the forces fighting against fascism, and hence against capitalism. The theme of the Labor Front, the struggle for the workers' cause, is the strategic direction of the general struggle. It should be uniting for all workers' organizations of Donbass, Russia, Ukraine, all countries!


>Victory will be for the workers!

https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2022/02/16/46848/

 No.503211

Anyone what the russian communists are feeling about the situation?

 No.503212

>>503211
Anyone know*

 No.503213

>>503211
Literally the post above you >>503210

 No.503214

>>503213
i just noticed lol

 No.503215

>>503210
Good take.

 No.503216

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>>503183
>The 'Communist' movement in these regions are little more than people with nostalgia for the Soviet Union who conflate socialism with Russian nationalism.
>Despite the fact that these places have Communist parties.
And again, why wouldn't they have Nostaglia? Say what you will about the USSR, but the USSR protected the Russian people from fascism, something the people of these seperatist republics are victims of.

>The problem is 'sticking it to the Azov' battalion has now involved them bringing in National Bolsheviks and Russian National Unity.

This is where the "critical" from Critical support comes from. However, keep in mind, the Communist Party of Russia was one of the first to propose the independance of these seperatist republics. They clearly see the potential in these republics fighting nato and becoming independant, why can't you? You can call them and myself optimistic, and I will agree, but there's still a chance where these projects ought to be critically supported.

>It reveals a lot that so many people here will shout about Ukrainian Neo-Fascists, yet their anti-fascism only lasts as long as the flag the fascists march under is Yellow and Blue.

Putinoids notwithstanding, I think you and I can agree that Russia is a reactionary oligarchy, but keep in mind Socialist nations have also allied with Capitalist ones. Are we going to forget the allies of WWII? Beggars can't be choosers, anon. Russia, unlike the USA hasn't placed embargoes on China, the AANES, Vietnam or Cuba. They're not NATO members. Are they perfect? Far from it, but they're a valuable asset in this fight. It's up to these Seperatist Republics to form their own destiny- whether they become Russian proxy states or their own autonomous nations (which Russia seems to imply they are) is yet to be seen.

 No.503217

>>503194
>adults who understand that taking sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts and picking one group of Fascists over another will not lead to Socialism, but instead will lead to being a obscure footnote of history
aren't you the guy who was always saying we had to vote for brandon over drumpf?

 No.503218

>>503217
hahhahahahhahaa
And they have the gall to say the CPUSA is a branch of the democratic party.

 No.503219

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 No.503220

I WANT BLOOD

 No.503221

can someone give me one good reason that Russia shouldn't just join NATO?

 No.503222

>>503221
They tried and were rejected.

 No.503223

>>503222
why dont they just surrender then??

 No.503224


 No.503225

>>503224
I thought this was common knowledge?

 No.503226

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>>503223
>Surrender your country to the US agenda
>Get rejected by NATO
>Get sanctioned by the USA
>Can hardly sell Russian goods on an international market due to said sanctions
>It's thanks to the USA and the fall of the USSR that life got a whole lot worse
>The USA continuously committs human rights violations and then has the nerve to screech at you whenever something wrong goes on in your country

Let me put it to you like this anon: Should a victim of domestic violence surrender to their abuser?

 No.503227

>>503165
>Ukraine didn't exist before Lenin
ok

 No.503228

>>503225
Doesn't fit well in the based anti imperialist russia narrative a number of people here defend, yesterday some dude became increasingly mad when it was pointed out that Russia worked closely with NATO until 2014. Reading the Caleb Maupin tweets and Russia Today articles too much will do that to your brain.

 No.503229

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Luhansk authorities request Ukrainian Forces to leave the Luhansk region peacefully

 No.503230

>>503227
Lenin literally created Ukraine, so it’s funny when leftypol rushes to the defense of fascist Russia. Please read your books.

 No.503231


 No.503232

>>503230
60% of Ukraine territory was given by the tzars, and Crimea was given by Khruschev.

 No.503233

>>503229
maybe the "Lukhansk authorities" ought to go fuck themselves?

 No.503234

Time for some feels.

 No.503235

Has anything really changed? It's not like there weren't any Russian troops in Donbas before, right?

 No.503236

>>503233
Ukraine should heed those demands if they know what's good for themselves.

 No.503237

>>503232
Lenin created both Ukraine and Azerbaijan, both of which “belonged” to Russia and Iran.

 No.503238

>>503165
To be fair, Ukraine already had its own republic before either Lenin, Makhno or other revolutionaries came about (though this was during 1917 when you had various factions vying for autonomy).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_People%27s_Republic

 No.503239

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oh shit

 No.503240


 No.503241

>>503230
yeah, good, ok

retard

 No.503242

File: 1645523465992.png (28.79 KB, 523x319, ClipboardImage.png)

it feels like the Russians are ready to take the rest of the ukraine lol

 No.503243

>>503237
Its not up for discussion, its literally basic history.
Ukraine pre existed Lenin.
What changed with the USSR was its extension, and most of all that Khruschev fucked up.

 No.503244

>>503235
Now there's a lot more and it's official. They also want to "peacekeep" until the whole of the regions which are currently only partially controlled by separatists are finally united under the newly recognized states while the Ukrainian government says it will have none of it. So we can reasonably expect shit to hit the fan sooner rather than latter.

 No.503245

>>503230
>Lenin created Ukraine
>despite previous independant Ukranian states and polities existing before the Ukranian SSR.

Come on lad, the CURRENT Ukraine was done on a basis of ex-soviet republics, which declared independence from Russia. I'd hardly say thats the work of Lenin.

 No.503246

>>503243
Ukraine literally never existed prior to the USSR, the word ukraini means boundary in Russian, you retarded cumskin faggot

 No.503247

>>503246
Read a fucking book

 No.503248

Was the decision to recognize the independence of the republics something putin wanted to do or was he forced into it by the KPRF and the duma?

 No.503249

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>>503246
>Ukraine literally never existed prior to the USSR
>What was the Ukrainian people's republic
>What was the Free Territory of Ukraine

Come on lad, there were previous Ukranian political entities that existed prior to the formation of the Ukrainian SSR

 No.503250

>>503249
It was Ruthenia (Kievan Rus), not Ukraine.

 No.503251

>>765304
Imagine unironically thinking the historical tradition of ukraine was magically ushered into existence by le greatman in some random year. Shut the fuck up baizuo. Англомовники повні дауни це ващє, мені прям страшно як це ж можна що англо такі безмозглі

 No.503252

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>>503246
Cope and read a book

 No.503253

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>>503250
>despite the fact that they explicitly identified as INDEPENDENT UKRAINIAN ENTITIES SEPERATE FROM RUSSIA
Surely you can't be this dumb?

 No.503254

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>>503246
keep trying

 No.503255

>>503251
Украина ненастоящая, а вы коммунист, значит, ваше мнение не имеет значения.

 No.503256

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>>765304

 No.503257

>>765319
False flag?

 No.503258

>>503235
Exactly. But now they're there openly. Just like it happened in Crimea. Remember the pictures of all the soldiers without insignia who turned out to be Russian? Then when he was ready to recognise Crimea's referendum and annex them, he said he's moving soldiers in.

There won't be a war because it is a geopolitical game, Washington knows it, Moscow knows it, EU knows it. NATO expanded into the Baltics and Balkans, including bases in Kosovo. Bulgaria is in EU. Romania is in EU and is gonna host more NATO troops (https://www.msn.com/en-xl/europe/top-stories/president-iohannis-romania-ready-to-host-nato-troops/).

Russia has Serbia and Montenegro in its "sphere of influence". Out of Eastern Europe they have Belarus left. "The West" has surrounded Russia on the European side. Ukraine fell in 2014 to Western interests. Since then they tried to do the same in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Putin also made a few moves, he either created or saw an opportunity to create a bit of a buffer with Ukraine. That's why there won't be a military response from NATO, only sanctions. It wasn't a war of aggression he's just backing separatists. While the US may scream about international law being broken, the US did the same in Serbia. US was the first to recognise Kosovo and gave a warning to Serbia if they tried to take it back they'll bomb them into oblivion.

The rhetoric going back and forth between the US, UK, EU and Russia is just the show they put on for the public. The US has been talking about "invasion of Ukraine" because they backed Ukraine on their increased shelling and attacks on Donbas. The media isn't reporting it, but they are shelling civilian cities, it is a campaign of terror to make the population submit.

Economic sanctions are the real weapon and it's gonna be the people of Donbas and Eastern Ukraine that suffer. NATO won't stop expanding and putting as much materiél they can as close to Russia as they can, and Russia won't just stand there and watch as they're surrounded. Maybe the next few presidents won't attack Russia while Putin is alive, but that puts Russia into a shitty position in the future. This military infrastructure will stay in place, be continously modernised, so future Russia will be a trapped country, surrounded by enemies. Putin could very well be afraid that a future Russian president might be aggressive and nationalistic, because that sentiment is rising everywhere, and actually attack surrounding countries, resulting in the end of Russia.

Ultimately, NATO buildup around Russia serves no purposes other than to provoke Russia, to dare them to do something drastic. They are not protecting Europe. Why would Russia attack Europe, one of its top customers for gas? They're building Nord Stream 2, it would be fucking retarded to have a war. Fucking US is going to be the end of us all.

 No.503259

>>765319
Nice try.

>>503257
Ofc anon.
You know you broke somebody brains when he start using your flag lol.
I keep living rent free in people's minds.

 No.503260

>>503259
I'm surprised false flagging is not bannable, only samefagging is.
>4) Pretending to be multiple users ('samefagging') in order to fake popularity or start drama will usually result in a ban. Imitating a staff member is banned.

 No.503261

EU SANCTIONS PACKAGE ON RUSSIA INCLUDES NORD STREAM 2, AUSTRIA SAYS

https://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1495999576138186754

EU handing a W to Biden?

 No.503262

>>503255
Ми вас собак вигнали у 1945ому і ще раз можемо)

 No.503263

Ukraine is fake, anyone who disputes this doesn’t understand basic history. Ukrainians are a dog race of Russians that Russians have to keep in line.

 No.503264

>>503261
Owning themselves for the libs

 No.503265

>>503262
Я не антикоммунист, однако вижу недостатки в идеологии признания Украины страной. Ты лично ничего не сделаешь, потому что я трахаю твою шлюху-мать, ты, тупая сука.

 No.503266

>>503260
>I'm surprised false flagging is not bannable
Because users don't own flags. Anyone can choose any flag they wish. It doesn't become "your flag". If anything, flagfagging should be banned alongside namefagging and avatarfagging.

 No.503267

>>765342
>CIA has entered the chat

 No.503268

File: 1645526047532-1.jpg (10.07 KB, 225x225, putler.jpg)

Hey guys it cannot be that bad, I mean those are ethnically similar areas and its not like he will go further, right? I think the EU is over-reacting, we should just let him have those areas, maybe then he will stop and be happy at last!

 No.503269

>>503261
>>503264
Grexit when?

 No.503270

Ok this time i promise to be racist only toward Ukrainians so no ban plz.

 No.503271

File: 1645526293317.png (202.66 KB, 1806x486, 546789.png)


 No.503272

>>503258
I'm the comment you responded to. You seem knowledgable on this.

How can Europe, from within NATO, press the issue of its interest in favorable economic ties with Russia? It seems that a European détente with China is gaining more and more steam as the political sphere is becoming aware of the mutual advantages to be gained. Yet because of military concerns and the he-said-she-said game of NATO encirclement of Russia/Russian-Belarusian encirclement of Ukraine this rhetoric becomes hard to translate when it comes to Euro-Russian relations.

From what I've seen, France and Germany aren't exactly thrilled to take a hard line against Russia as they aren't as eager as the US to get Ukraine into NATO in the first place, even though Scholtz seems slightly more hawkish than Merkel. So what happens now? Go too hard on sanctions and you risk hurting the economy. Give Russia what they want and you risk alienating the US.

 No.503273

>>503268
He's fighting to make the world multipolar so it's good for the global working class currently under the boot of anglo hegemony… Hey wait a minute!

 No.503274

>>503272
Scholtz is hostile? I think any hostility is due to the German green party being in charge of foreign policy in the coalition government. The greens are lapdogs of the US.

 No.503275

Is it true that Putin went full schizo on live TV and shitted on Bolsheviks and Lenin? After all these were foreign imperialist actors in the glorious white ethno state of r*ssian empire.

 No.503276

>>503275
He went full revisionist, made power moves to make everyone else agree with his decision. Called Ukrainian state an illegitimate regime. Honestly, it sounded like a declaration of war, this man is a fucking psycho obsessed with power and money

 No.503277

beep beep

 No.503278

File: 1645526932604.jpg (12.08 KB, 460x434, aGeOrgK_460s.jpg)

>>503263
>Visibly angry, he went on to vent frustration over the idea of a sovereign Ukraine, suggesting the country actually belongs to Vladimir Lenin.

>We also remember who created Ukraine–Lenin Vladimir Ilyich, when he created the Soviet Union.”

 No.503279

>>503275
he has already shit on lenin for "destroying" russia rather than putting it on the map

 No.503280

Russia vs Ukraine is literally just neonazis fighting each other with neoliberal vampires (NATO) trying to profit off it.

 No.503281

>>503275
Why not watch it yourself instead of asking us?
https://youtu.be/GjMnTo85S4A

 No.503282

>>503275
>>503276
Putin shits on communists all the time anyway

 No.503283

File: 1645527489442.jpg (60.67 KB, 1024x1015, 1645444977214m.jpg)

>As a result of Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called “Vladimir Ilyich Lenin’s Ukraine”. He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archive documents… And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunisation. Do you want decommunisation? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine.

Is decommunisation based if its anti-imperialist?

 No.503284

File: 1645527490028.png (179.62 KB, 1039x1353, ClipboardImage.png)

>>503261
Anons what will it be

Post 0 for the cucking of Europe

Post 1 for the slow collapse of NATO

 No.503285


 No.503286

>>503284
0
Europe will Japanize itself in order to satisfy it's american-saudi overlords.

 No.503287


 No.503288

>>503284
hope for 1

prepare for 0

 No.503289

The Ukrainian government might abandon the eastern parts of the country. They're evacuating from Kiev already. Ukraine east of the Dnieper could fall into disorder and Russia is already at the doorstep ready to fill the power vacuum. The question remains if that constitutes an invasion.

 No.503290

Whelp

 No.503291

>>503289
its up to western powers what constitutes an "invasion"

 No.503292

>>503289
theyll be sanctioned anyway so why does it even matter so much

 No.503293

https://www.twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1496075477538287625
>#BREAKING | Russia recognises DPR, LPR within borders in which they proclaimed independence, Kremlin says

 No.503294

>>503290
its war then

 No.503295

File: 1645528032001.jpg (51.85 KB, 668x675, 1645453703796.jpg)

<'Ukraine was entirely created by Russia’

>“I’ll start with the fact that modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia, more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began almost immediately after the revolution of 1917, and Lenin and his associates did it in a very rude way towards Russia itself – by separating, tearing away from it part of its own historical territories. Of course, no one asked about anything to the millions of people who lived there.”


>“Then, on the eve and after the Great Patriotic War, Stalin already annexed to the USSR and transferred to Ukraine some lands that previously belonged to Poland, Romania and Hungary. At the same time, as a kind of compensation, Stalin endowed Poland with part of the original German territories, and in 1954 Khrushchev for some reason took away Crimea from Russia and also gave it to Ukraine. Actually, this is how the territory of Soviet Ukraine was formed.”


<'Lenin squeezed Donbas into Ukraine’


>"As a result of the Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called “Ukraine named after Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.” He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archival documents, including Lenin’s harsh directives on the Donbas, which was literally squeezed into Ukraine. And now “grateful descendants” have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine.”

 No.503296

Ми створили россію - москалі були українці

 No.503297

File: 1645528186067.png (29.42 KB, 525x232, ClipboardImage.png)

>THE KRAUT CUCKED OUT
<THE KRAUT CUCKED OUT
>THE KRAUT CUCKED OUT
<THE KRAUT CUCKED OUT
>THE KRAUT CUCKED OUT

 No.503298

File: 1645528286227.png (98.15 KB, 498x568, img.png)

>>503284
>Germany bans all gas export from Russia.
>German production depends a 50% on Russian gas.
>Prices go up.
>People buy less.
>Businesses have to buy stuff from factories.
>That stuff is pricier.
>Everything goes up in price.
>Poverty goes up.
>Food insecurity goes higher.
>People in Germany freezes to death.
<Also probably heats themselves a lot because air coolers run on electricity and electricity is 50% costlier.
>Everything's prices go up.
>That means inflation goes up.
>Either the Eurobank lowers interest rates (which are already on the dumps) and provokes even more inflation, or Complete Economic Collapse (CEC).
>People don't buy stuff.
>Benefits go down + the effects of Covid on the economy.
>Businesses go out of business.
>Businesses can't pay debts.
>Debts defaulted, Banks lose trillions of debt.
>Banks default.
>This spreads through all of Europe and America as their economies are interconnected.
The 2020's will be remembered like the 1970's. Welcome to the Oil Crisis 2.0: Gaseous Boogaloo.

 No.503299

>>503297
How is this cucking out? German economy is taking a hit if they are going to ship LNG with tankers.

 No.503300

>>503297
This is the future you chose Germany >>503298

 No.503301

Too much /pol/ brainrot ITT.

 No.503302

>>503283
>And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunisation. Do you want decommunisation? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine.
this actually sounds sinister af

 No.503303

>>503299
They are acting contrary to their own interests and bowing to the American ones.

 No.503304

>>503298
This, tbh. As a member of the Workers' Party of Belgium, energy prices have skyrocketed here and it's helped mobilize people to an extent I haven't seen before, even ones that never had communist sympathies before.

This could be huge.

 No.503305

>>503298
Mein Gott, just like in Weinmar

 No.503306

>>503298
Don't worry, austerity will fix everything ;)

 No.503307

File: 1645528558959.jpg (56.2 KB, 750x750, 1628411161625.jpg)

How the fuck have 17 threads gone by for a nonexistent issue??? How Kazakhstan became less relevant in this board than Ukraine I don't understand

 No.503308

File: 1645528645948.jfif (6.45 KB, 230x219, tiresome.jfif)

>>503306
For the second time in 30 years, the SPD and Greens will enact austerity after explicitly promising not to do so.

 No.503309

>>503308
but this time it'll work! Or maybe…you don't trust Germany?

 No.503310

File: 1645528765973-0.png (34.48 KB, 513x274, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1645528765973-1.png (61.93 KB, 517x417, ClipboardImage.png)

It begins

 No.503311

>>503310
>Transformer caught fire after Russian forces shelled Luhanska Poewer Plant in Schastia-
Wait the Ukranian army are using mechas?
cool

 No.503312

File: 1645528900879.png (415.66 KB, 576x566, 1.png)

I wonder how US LNG exporter's stocks will react to this

 No.503313

>>503311
transformers are cybernetic organisms, not mechas

 No.503314

>>503311
Finally a new way to make liberals understand this conflict: Ukraine is autobots and Russia is Decepticon.

 No.503315

Germany:

Closing nuclear plants this year
+
Cancelling NS2
+
Possible sanctions on their main gas supplier
+
Not lowering VAT on energy

=

Rising production costs

=

Rising inflation

=

Lower exports

=

Worse economy


This is one of the dumbest decisions any country has made in the past and Germany will suffer greatly from this if they go down this path

All thanks to the Green Party btw

 No.503316

>>503315
yeah lol maybe I go to Austria for a bit. Reverse Hitler

 No.503317

>>503315
green party in every western country are secretly primitivist who want to destroy civilisation

 No.503318

>>503315
The SPD finally manages to win elections and they gotta deal with post-covid, increase in energy prices and a fucking war lmao

 No.503319

File: 1645529199396.jpg (116.12 KB, 1200x740, Czug67AXEAASeds.jpg)

>>503303
Preventing war in Europe is more important than gas prices. Its in everyones interest to keep peace but the anti-bolshevik manlet is so tiny and weak that he has to resort to threatening Ukrainian civilians with his military build up to get any deals made. His bluff was called and now hes forces to actually send russian conscripts to die because of his geopolitical gambles and regional imperialist ambitions.

 No.503320

File: 1645529220285.jpg (Spoiler Image, 16.31 KB, 239x400, 443.jpg)


 No.503321

>>503317
Ted but not based

 No.503322

>>503318
I had this conspiracy that the CDU wanted to lose (I mean whos less likable than Laschet) and while I am sure Russia wasnt even considered for that - smart move. The SPD goes back to being a naughty little coalition partner and the FDP will be dead forever

 No.503323

>>503315
Those old ass nuclear plants are probably past their end of life and disasters waiting to happen. It's already fucking expensive to maintain even with exploiting the nigerian workforce doing the cake in who knows what conditions, risking to spend hundreds of billions for clean up operations is certainly not worth it. It was the right move to close the program. Now they'll just buy more renewables and batteries from China, big win.

 No.503324

File: 1645529595326.jpg (323.19 KB, 1872x1022, nigger.jpg)

>>503321
so, just ted then? :^)

 No.503325

>>503323
green parties generally have a pathological rejection of nuclear energy, even if its "pragmatic" its also ideological

 No.503326

>>503323
>Now they'll just buy more renewables and batteries from China, big win.
Something positive from this.

 No.503327

>>503323
You got duped by anti-nucleae schizos. The reality is the plants were safe and one of the cheapest energy sources.

 No.503328

>>503327
I wish I could force redditors like you to work in the nigerian mines or the Fukushima clean up crews

 No.503329

>>503283
If the UkroNazis don't like it they can always put the statues of Lenin back up

 No.503330

War at any moment right?

 No.503331

>>503328
>batteries don't need mining
You are a moron.

 No.503332


 No.503333

This Nu-Cold war is fucking garbage.

 No.503334

File: 1645530718395.jpeg (9.29 KB, 274x184, images.jpeg)

>>503329
Putin will make sure that decommunisation process will be completed (in a based anti-imperialist way).

 No.503335

>>503330
2 more weeks.

 No.503336

>>503271
>screenshotting your own posts

 No.503337


 No.503338

File: 1645531214623.mp4 (6.22 MB, 764x424, lenins_ukraine.mp4)

Is it possible, that Putin is an anticommunist? 🤔

 No.503339

>>503338
No matter, he is hegelian as seen in the clip

 No.503340

>>503339
What does this even mean lol

 No.503341

>>503338
I'm surprised at how much his inferior dwarf syndrome has progressed

 No.503342

>>503298
>>503304
Can the ruling class simply pin the blame on immigrants and weasel out?
At least, for a decade or so.

 No.503343

>>503307
>Kazakhstan
Ignored by western media and swiftly crushed by based the anti-imperialist countries Russia and China.
>Ukraine
Western media screeching 24/7 about Putler while supporting Azov and UKROP.

 No.503344

>>503315
>Cancelling NS2
Will probably not happen.

 No.503345

>>503340
It means you are a liberal

 No.503346

File: 1645531712303.jpg (12.57 KB, 320x366, 47b2cd81814266d4.jpg)

>>503339
Mfw I don't really know anymore whether this post was a sophisticated oldfag bait or a serious statement from someone with a mental disability.

 No.503347

>>503345
You just say random words. I think, you don't know what they mean.

 No.503348

>>503347
I know more than you.

 No.503349

>>503344
It got cancelled 20 minutes ago.

 No.503350

>>503348
Sure, libshit.

 No.503351

File: 1645532051125.jpg (11.27 KB, 312x296, 1587481490259.jpg)

>you can't not invade Ukraine
>in response we're going to kill our own economy!

 No.503352

>>503328
>Batteries and solar panels grow on trees
jesus christ, this is the state of the green left

 No.503353

>>503346
t. hasn't read Hegel (and therefore doesn't understand Marx)

 No.503354

So as of now

>Russia got LNR and DNR

<Biden got LNG shipments to Europe

The only complete loser as of now is Europe.

 No.503355

File: 1645532165276.png (26.38 KB, 529x208, ClipboardImage.png)

Putin doing damage control for his shizo ramblings lol

 No.503356

>>503354
But of course

 No.503357

>>503354
>Biden got LNG shipments to Europe
depends, euros still have to build receiving terminals for US LNG ships

 No.503358

>>503355
<Azerbaijan into NATO

We are going to go from flashpoint to flashpoint, aren't we?

 No.503359

>>503357
They have some in Southern Europe. This is a real mess. Economic suicide

 No.503360

File: 1645532536082.png (274.25 KB, 474x576, 1644639106122.png)

>>503355
AHAHAHAHA WHAT AN ABSOLUTE RETARD BY THIS PACE EVEN MONGOLIA IS SOON IN NATO!

 No.503361

>>503268
VLADOLF PUTLER!!!!

 No.503362


 No.503363

File: 1645532711341-0.png (812.84 KB, 509x1000, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1645532711342-1.png (1.03 MB, 870x486, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1645532711342-2.png (294.08 KB, 474x342, ClipboardImage.png)

>>503341
heh

Bara Luka manhandling tsundere Putin

 No.503364

>>503363
Luka is a big guy.

 No.503365

File: 1645532995404-0.jpg (168.81 KB, 1024x713, 112.jpg)

File: 1645532995404-1.jpg (208.35 KB, 1280x720, 54cnhyukui9.jpg)

File: 1645532995404-2.jpg (72.09 KB, 960x960, 1605245_original.jpg)

>>503361
>VLADOLF PUTLER!!!!

 No.503366

>>503363
>If only you knew how bad things really are

 No.503367

>>503363
>>503364
He's just 1.82 m, basically a manlet

 No.503368

File: 1645533040476.jpg (23.98 KB, 600x600, 935.jpg)

>>503364
> Mr. Luka, I am KGB

 No.503369

>>503359
We have a few in Italy, but Russian gas is over 30% of our gas imports and the idiotic plan of the government is to increae national gas production despite the fact it'll never cover such a loss.

 No.503370

File: 1645533195644-0.png (17.33 KB, 526x148, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1645533195644-1.gif (171.38 KB, 226x200, picard-wtf (1).gif)


 No.503371

File: 1645533248572.png (187.96 KB, 680x680, 1589144431760.png)

>US is putting political pressure on the EU to stop buying oil from Russia entirely

 No.503372

>>503323
>probably
Opinion discarded

 No.503373


 No.503374


 No.503375

>>503370
>NS2 dead
<Russia not even sending troops

They're snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

 No.503376

>>503371
europe gonna austerize their people just to please sam. at what point does the world say enough with sam and his bs? there's got to be one.

 No.503377

>>503376
Do you know what happens when a country says "enough with sam", right?

 No.503378

>>503377
sure but i was thinking along the lines of a critical mass where enough do it at once

 No.503379

>>503366
>>503374
These are different people

 No.503380

>>503378
The only way EU can renounce to nato is with the institution of a european army and that's pretty hard to achieve.

 No.503381

>>503380
This is why anti-EU fags just want us to be American puppets forever, Europe can only be free by uniting

 No.503382

>>503381
EU is a capitalist neoliberal cartel.

 No.503383

>>503381
and yet EU is also used to be cucked by NATO. Its as if America wont let us loose, EU or not

 No.503384

File: 1645534305586.gif (1.59 MB, 420x236, lenintoppling.gif)

>>503169
You're living in the past my dude.

 No.503385

>>503381
EU means perma-austerity, I beg you to read about that.

 No.503386

>>503381
shut. the. fuck. up. liberal.

 No.503387

>>503338
>Is it possible, that Putin is an anticommunist?

Imagine being surprised from this

 No.503388

>>503381
pure unadulterated retardation
fuck off you moron

 No.503389

>>503313
>robots in disguise aren't mecha
transformers are mecha
t. /m/

 No.503390

>>503268
literally the only lesson you can learn from Munich 1938 is that you should never believe westoids, lmao

and Ukraine fucking failed this lesson, lmao

 No.503391

>>503319
if you really wanna avoid war, youd blame the crazy us and europeans agressive geopolitical move backing nazis rather than russia securing its borders

 No.503392

>>503338
Yes, but his comment there is that Ukraine as a state was created by the USSR and the modern Ukrainian government is embarking on "de-communization" and if they want to go all the way the entire state needs to be dissolved :^)

 No.503393

File: 1645534947353.jpg (1.5 MB, 2588x3870, PP575.jpg)

>>503169
This wasn't actually me, but I agree.

The proletariat has no allies.
>>503384
Gotta love how fash always sneer that Leninism is outdated when their century old ideology was created by the bourgeoisie as their response.

 No.503394

https://youtu.be/LiYL1fuxrBc
Watch this and tell me with a straight face Russia is an "ally" to socialism and not another imperialist, chauvinist shithole

This was made totally unironically

 No.503395

>>503202
> Revisionist
Saying this just makes you sound like a New Age Christian/Muslim
I wonder how Marx himself would have felt about being deified and his followers treating him like a prophet and fighting against other Marxists that are “heretics”

 No.503396

>>503202
>Is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism “Schizo”
yeah lol

 No.503397

File: 1645535368742-0.png (21.67 KB, 517x196, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1645535368742-1.png (160.73 KB, 397x322, ClipboardImage.png)

What are the chances that the Ukrainians will go all out to try to take back the donbass before the Russians establish themselves there?

 No.503398

>>503233
Would you rather thousands of civilians die for your own entertainment?

 No.503399

>>503342
At least in Belgium, communists are currently strongly in control of the narrative surrounding VAT on energy. It remains to be seen whether Die Linke can do the same in Germany. Despite their faults I am firmly convinced there is a lot of potential for communist organization here.

The Workers' Party of Belgium and KKE must coordinate further from within their respective overarching orgs (ICMWP and INITIATIVE, respectively). They are the most important voices in European communism today, imo, although I'm obviously biased.

 No.503400

>>503397
It's a totally retarded idea but then again they are totally retarded people so there is a chance of it happening.

 No.503401

File: 1645535795040.jpg (3.22 KB, 125x125, 1573862624730s.jpg)

So wtf is happening (just woke up) is it WW3 yet?

 No.503402

>>503401
nope but nordstream is dead

 No.503403

File: 1645535878253-0.jpeg (95.15 KB, 960x1280, FMGeVhlXwAAiR5P.jpeg)

File: 1645535878253-1.jpeg (167.84 KB, 960x1280, FMGeXGOXIAAKUVz.jpeg)

From critical support to unconditional support for russian imperialism. Meanwhile russian conscripts are herded like cattle into another mindless war of aggression between capitalist countries run by oligarchs. This is where they sleep while waiting for the order to attack.

 No.503404

>>503397
They obviously planning to to do that anyway but kept chickening out because the freedom fighters had always kicked their arse every other attempt the UkroNazis had tried and on top of that there were Russian troops conducting excercise on the border to discourage them Why else would the USA keep confidently declaring invasion days that never happened

 No.503405

>>503401
yeah it's finally over

 No.503406


 No.503407

>>503403
>what??? Armies don't sleep in improvised hotels when they are mobilized!?!
No offence Anon, but this is the dumbest thing to focus on right now.

 No.503408

>>503407
maybe but lets be honest, not giving them at least half more space is respectless.
Sure in the grand scheme its completely irrelevant

 No.503409

>>503328
thank god there are no lithium mines where miserable labor happens and e-waste isn't a thing

 No.503410

>>503403
I guess when you form you guerrilla you will sleep in a comfy bed.

 No.503411

>>503331
>>503409
Lithium is brined not mined but what can you expect from the irradiated brains of redditors. Nevermind that your shitty radioactive steam engines killed the USSR and ruined Japan you still shill for general electrics tepco and areva like the libs you are

 No.503412

>>503272
>You seem knowledgable on this.
I just try to think critically and not think that every single event will precipitate into a world war. Every time the mainstream media points to a local issue, we get predictions of doom. I try to look at things and unpack what's really going on, because no media outlet or government person will just come out and outright say what's going on ( days of Trump are gone ). Especially not the media, always writing spin. Remember how people were saying Iran was going to start WWIII because Trump killed Soleimani? This is the same thing. In the Yugoslav war, in the 90s, you had 3 states engaged in open warfare, you had Mudjahedeen coming in from the Middle East, fascists coming from the West, opportunism and adventurism abound, yet that didn't "spill over", despite going on for 5 years. And why? Because the surrounding countries and Europe had nothing at stake in the fight. Just some slavs killing each other… the West has a boner for it.

Look at the situation now, what's at stake? Ukrainian sovereignty, that is only important to Ukrainians and Ukrainian nationalists; and not even their whole country, just Luhansk and Donetsk, I'm sure there are Western Ukrainians who don't even care about those (why would some aspiring EU liberal student from Kiev care about a Russian-speaking, Russian-dominated region in the east of Ukraine?)

The world is going to "condemn" their actions, just like they condemned the war in Yugoslavia, just like they condemned the genocide in Rwanda. UN might send a "peacekeeping" force that will take photos and get out of the way, like they always do. However, with a situation volatile as this, no country is going to volounteer to send their troops to get fired upon in that mess and not be able to fire back for fear of starting an actual international incident.

>How can Europe, from within NATO, press the issue of its interest in favorable economic ties with Russia?

Who says that that is in its interest now? Europe has been trying to block Chinese investment in Europe. Most recently that I know of, Sweden has banned Huawei's 5G (https://www.politico.eu/article/huawei-sweden-china-5g-court-case-european-union/), following US's lead no doubt. US NGOs have been hard at work trying to protest and block Nord Stream 2 (looking at you, extinction "rebellion", among others), so that Europe can buy more expensive gas from the US. Europe, thanks to Germany and France (I believe, largely) has been trying to become its own force and global player, with its own geopolitical aspirations and imperialism (look up how EU dumps nuclear waste in Somalia, for example), then the EU Navy patrolling the Mediterranean and cracking down on people trying to cross (I guess refugees are no longer welcome), how the EU turns a blind eye to Croatian police literally marching immigrants across the border into Bosnia, brutalising them in the process.

>It seems that a European détente with China is gaining more and more steam as the political sphere is becoming aware of the mutual advantages to be gained. Yet because of military concerns and the he-said-she-said game of NATO encirclement of Russia/Russian-Belarusian encirclement of Ukraine this rhetoric becomes hard to translate when it comes to Euro-Russian relations.

I don't think there's any détente with China, on the contrary. I gave you the example of 5G being blocked in Sweden. When the corona pandemic had just started, and Russia developed Sputnik-V and China has Sinopharm and Sinovac, the EU Medical Authority came out and just said that they will not be approving any vaccines not produced in the EU or NA. While the effectivness of Chinese vaccines turned out to be spotty and questionable, the effectiveness of Sputnik-V has been shown to be higher than Pfizer and Moderna 6 months after the shot. It's just that EU leaders don't like to use as forceful as rhetoric as the US

However, we must be wary of generalisation of what "Europe" and "EU" wants to do, as the EU is 27 states and Europe is that plus a few more. Different countries have different goals. Russian oligarchs have a lot of investment in Montenegro. Hungary allowed Chinese and Russian vaccines, despite being an EU country. Chinese have built a bridge in Croatia and China has been making a lot of investments in Serbia. China is one of Denmark's largest customers for their pork (and previously mink). I think we are in a situation where individual countries cannot afford not to make business deals with China, yet as a unified "EU" they are principally opposed to China.

>From what I've seen, France and Germany aren't exactly thrilled to take a hard line against Russia as they aren't as eager as the US to get Ukraine into NATO in the first place, even though Scholtz seems slightly more hawkish than Merkel.

Remember when Merkel and Macron wanted to create the EU Army? (https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/) But no one was really into it. EU, while strong as a whole, with over 400 million people, it is composed of many smaller states. You have the few massive "powerhouses", Germany, France and to some extent Spain and Italy, but other than that, you're left with 20 tiny countries with 3-10 million people each. These countries do not want a war with Russia, what do they stand to get out of it? Nothing. All countries are in debt to the EU, they're already reluctant to pay more into NATO (despite US pressure to do so), leaders of these countries have to be strongarmed behind closed doors and lubed up with money to buy new military equipment, because every time a European country buys new fighter jets or whatever I gurantee you that most of the people in that country are against it. People aren't dumb, they look at their aging infrastructure and then their president comes out and says they've spent $10 Billion on new fighter jets (e.g. https://www.flyingmag.com/finland-inks-9-4-billion-deal-to-buy-64-f-35-stealth-fighters/).

>So what happens now? Go too hard on sanctions and you risk hurting the economy. Give Russia what they want and you risk alienating the US.

The sanctions, I think, will be specific and targeted. Just like the US has sanctioned LPR and DPR, forbade anyone in the US to trade with them, but hasn't sanctioned Russia yet, the EU might do the same. Germany has already made the biggest move, canceling/postponing Nord Stream 2 (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/business/nord-stream-2-germany-russia/index.html). I think the biggest "sanction" the EU could do is stop NS2, at the same time it would be caving to US interests and it would be a big self-own to own the Russkis, but I'm not putting it past them. in fact, if canceling NS2 would mean EU turning to nuclear, I'd be all for it, but unfortunately I think EU is married to green capitalist interests, they also hate NS2 The neoliberals, the antlanticists, the analytical anglos in the EU would see it as a win-win, of course, and you have the whole NGO machinery ready to support whatever bullshit green intitiative EU comes up with as an "alternative" while European dependence on American gas and coal remains the same.


ASIDE: What would the Azov Battalion and other Ukrainian militias formed in 2014 to "defend Ukraine" do if there wasn't a war with the separatists? Those were the same far-right elements that were instrumental in 2014, is the president afraid that if he let Russia have those pieces of Ukraine they'd turn on their own government? Just a speculation. They've discussed the president moving further West (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-officials-discussed-ukrainian-president-leaving-capital-russian-att-rcna17094), why? Because he is wildly unpopular and Ukrainians are not confident that he can solve this crisis (https://www.wionews.com/world/approval-ratings-of-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky-falls-amid-russia-conflict-453290), That's why if he declared peace, the Ukrainian militias would probably keep fighting, they're funded by the West to do so anyway.

 No.503413

>>503411
>Hey its ok when we poison the water supply by brining lithium like in Chile, its only third worlders so who cares
>but if you start digging, woe you enemy of humanity!!!

 No.503414

>>503411
Maybe they just had a dogshit reactor in Chernobyl?
Maybe the Japs got fucked after 50 years of neoliberalism?
You realize nuclear reactors have a lower chance of an incident than your precious fossil fuel plants you subhuman oil shill?

 No.503415

>>503413
You should understand by now that westoid leftoids are very willing to sacrifice non-Westerners

 No.503416

Hungary is indicating they're going to try and veto EU sanctions on Russia

 No.503417

>German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced on Tuesday that he had ordered a halt to the certification process for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.
BUT THE RULING CLASSES ARE ALL THE SAME, RUSSIA IS A COMPRADOR STATE REEE
kek, 'anti-revisionists' go to the gulag.

 No.503418

>>503416
V4 countries sometimes inject sanity into EU's discourse.

 No.503419

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>>503403
>>503408
US National Guard soldiers had to sleep in a garage, while stationed in their nations capital
>One unit, which had been resting in the Dirksen Senate Office building, was abruptly told to vacate the facility on Thursday, according to one Guardsman. The group was forced to rest in a nearby parking garage without internet reception, with just one electrical outlet, and one bathroom with two stalls for 5,000 troops, the person said. Temperatures in Washington were in the low 40s by nightfall.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/national-guard-troops-vacate-capitol-461220
It's not about Russia or US, such is the soldiers life. Military commanders literally don't see soldiers as individuals, they see them as an expendable resource. Every time they plan a battle or operation, they calculate how many are expected to die. They just move this battalion/brigade from one place to another, that's why often soldiers stationed in their own countries, but far away from cities, will resort to stealing from nearby houses and villages. There's nothing honourable about being a soldier, it's a rough life.

 No.503420

>>503418
to be fair, on the other hand Poland is calling for a total trade embargo on all Russian products

 No.503421

>>503414
Yeah yeah nothing will go wrong this time because like we all know the European countries are totally not neoliberal states that will cut corners on their reactors that have hundreds of incidents per year and exploiting the third world is ok if it's for the redditor nuclear cult

 No.503422

>>503411
>areva
Ah yes these porkies decided to build worlds 6th most expensive building in my country. They said nuclear power is good nuclear power is cheap. Olkiluoto 3 was supposed to be finished by 2010. Still not fully operational. Maybe this year.

 No.503423

>>503420
Keep in mind that all these countries are ex-socialist and they need some form of anti-communism to justify their rule. In Poland this is mainly expressed in anti-Russian sentiments and fear-mongering.

 No.503424

>>503344
Already canceled. lol
Throw out your pseuds. God, I love to be so fucking right in these geopolitical issues.

 No.503425

>>503416
Can Hungary be vetoed out of EU?

 No.503426

>>503421
>Hundreds of incidents per year
Tales from the psych ward

 No.503427

Fucking coward NATO occupied Kraut government. Literally a colony of America. Germany lost all of its dignity when the wall fell.

 No.503428

>>503427
are there meme pictures with germany being assfucked by usa?

if so, i need them for my collection

 No.503429

I know this is infantile and silly but, I'm kind of afraid. I'm afraid of war escalating into nuclear war. That won't happen, right?

 No.503430

>>503429
100% will not happen

 No.503431

BREAKING NEWS, KRAUT CUCKS HALT NORDSTREAM II, AMERICAN LAPDOG CONFIRMED

Sorry Hans, looks like your master is a Yankee 😂

But seriously, I hope every last servant of America dies, if I was a Euro I’d rope at this point, Europe will always bow before the American Empire

 No.503432

>>503431
TIME TO FREEZE EUROBROS

 No.503433

>>503421
Luckily Italy has no NPP

 No.503434

>>503427
>>503431
>>503428
>>503432

I said once, I say it again:
From colonizers to colonized.
Burger'd/
If I had the time, I would make an elsa jean meme with the hand, instead a black man a bum arm with the U.S. flag.

 No.503435

>>503430
Okay, thanks for the reassurance. I'm still kinda worried, generally I'm pretty at ease regarding these things but I guess everyone has their limits when you're constantly fed fearmongering propaganda. Apologies for shitting up the thread with blogposting

 No.503436

>>503429
100% it will happen

 No.503437

>>503429
Probably not due to this crisis, but one day

 No.503438

>>503432
We dont use natural gas here.

 No.503439

This is all very gay and cringe, tbh

 No.503440

>>503436
>>503437
well that's terribly frightful

 No.503441

File: 1645539131117.png (832.6 KB, 1240x744, ClipboardImage.png)

Seems Western nations' hysteria has really been successful in drumming up popular civilian support for their agenda

 No.503442

>>503429
Stop consuming the capitalist media's news cycles. Nothing is happening so far, it's all circus to distract proles from the economic downfall and biosphere collapsing.

 No.503443

>>503438
What are you Frenchie? Got that nice Nuclear Power?

 No.503444

>>503440
World War III is inevitable under imperialism, especially with the onset of ecological collapse and an accelerating mass extinction

 No.503445

Just checked a German newspaper comment section.

Germans saying: I would rather be cold than help Putin

And "Talking about rising gas prices is russian propaganda"

 No.503446

>>503431
So Central Europe is fucked on energy? 80% chance of far-right coup within the next decade.

 No.503447

>>503432
Mediterranean countries get their gas from north africa.
MEDBVLLS WIN AGAIN.

 No.503448

>>503441
that protest looks like something from a sitcom

 No.503449

>>503442
>Nothing is happening!
<The economy is collapsing and the planet’s habitability is falling apart, this is literally the apocalypse
How can you hold both positions in your head simultaneously?
And how can you deny that economic decline and ecological collapse fuel military conflicts?

 No.503450

AAUUUUHHHH I'M GONNA SUPPOORT/OPPOOOSE !!!

 No.503451

>>503442
I know, I know, you're right, comrade. It is fear-mongering propaganda and I'm falling for it.

>>503444
I can only hope revolution comes soon.

 No.503452

>>503445
>Just checked a German newspaper comment section.
>Germans saying: I would rather be cold than help Putin

Which newspaper? Actually not surprising, since only rich kids read newspapers and they have enough money to not care about rising gas prices.

 No.503453

>>503452
Zeit online, nominally left-liberal

 No.503454

>>503445
Humanity will eventually be forced against its will to an inflection point where its empty and delusional talking points can no longer stave off the contradictions of material reality. we have had so, so much time to avoid the worst and most rattling effects of this, but instead we seem to be in total lockstep ensuring the pivot downward is a vertical line.

 No.503455

>>503454
The rest of the 20s and the 30s are going to be so epic, I can't wait.

 No.503456

>>503449
Obviously, I meant that "nothing is happening in Ukraine". So don't get yourself perpetual anxiety over this specific military conflict by consuming the porky news, especially if you live far from Eastern Europe.

Better start prepping for the slow-rolling collapse of the modern civilization, here's a leftist podcast for that:
http://poorproles.com

 No.503457

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>>503258
>>503412
good posts anon

 No.503458

I'M GONNA
NNNGHH

I'M BOUT TO
OOFH

I'M GON' PRETEND I CAN BE A NEOOOOTRAL OOOBSERVER
UGH

 No.503459

>>503453
Die Zeit is literally r/de the newspaper

 No.503460

>>503371
>>503427
>>503445
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE GERMOID

 No.503461

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Has this been posted yet in this thread? Seems significant, as I wasn't sure what the total claim of autonomous area by Russia would be, but I wasn't expecting the entirety of the oblasts.

 No.503462

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>>503381
Ignore the other hateful, vulgar and mean amerifats in this thread. they just hate us because we're superior to them. EVROPA IDENTITY

 No.503463


 No.503464

So many lives are going to be lost, all because the West doesn't want to say Ukraine because that would somehow violate their sovereignty.

These crackers have lost their fucking minds wtf is this bullshit

 No.503465

>>503461
Yes, there is a lot of distance to cover to push the front line back to the whole region. Fortunately most civilians live in Donetsk/Luhansk and it should become safer for them this way

 No.503466

>>503464
>wtf is this bullshit
election are coming in the USA and the democrats need their voootes

 No.503467

>>503429
Its a serious matter and the risk of nuclear war is easily the most direct threat to humanity atm. Military leaders across the planet know this and spend many sleepless nights because of it. There is always a risk of accidents and nuclear terrorism that could lead to nuclear exchange between superpowers but even if Russia decided to launch a full scale invasion of Ukraine the risk would still be relatively small because Ukraine is neutral and has no stationed American forces. Only in situations where American and Russian soldiers start killing each other you should bunker down and hope for the best. We have not yet seen such a direct conflict in the nuclear age and Ukrainian conflict is unlikely to become one.

 No.503468

>>503466
Well this is clearly going to fail, so I guess they're going to double down on muh January 6 to get those voots.

 No.503469

I would rather be cold, hungry and poor than let the Russians beat up some NATO Nazis

 No.503470

>>503466
I thought this too at first but it seems like although that's a factor, they genuinely don't want to guarantee that Ukraine won't join NATO outside of playing the tough guy with Putin for political theater

 No.503471

>>503469
Its the price of peace.

 No.503472

Ukrainian Rada has passed a resolution that would cut all diplomatic ties with Russia, waiting on Zeley to approve it.
Ukies continuing to shell the front line, honestly seems like Zeley has no power anymore

Russians will probably start yeeting Ukrainian AD and artillery systems in the next 48 hours if they don't stop

 No.503473

>>503445
I mean yeah, talk on the internet is cheap. But stop the flow on NS1 without warning and they'd change their tune. Or raise the prices, it's always going to be cheaper than the US freedom molecules, unless they are willing to bleed money, which is not gonna happen on election season.

You know, sanctions. Your gas is sanctioned, natocuck.

 No.503474

>>503464
WHAT ARE YOU A CHINA COMMIE?!! WE NEED TO DEFEND OUR EUROPEAN BLOODLINES AND SOIL FROM THOSE WEST ASIAN MONGROL HORDES, I MEAN DEFEND EUROPEAN FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY FROM THOSE EVIL TYRANTS AND DICTATORS BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY

 No.503475

>>503473
IT HURT ITSELF IN CONFUSION

 No.503476

File: 1645540579318.jpg (Spoiler Image, 58.1 KB, 737x744, vdz3yvkbg3h51.jpg)

The articles that I read regarding nordstream 2 I get the impression that it's not cancelled, but on hold. So is there any chance that this is just temporary or will they really leave that 11bn Euro-Russian pipe to rust just to suck burger dick? Is it delusional to think that we are not going to face high gas prices, freezing and blackouts for Ukraine's freedom this winter and beyond?

 No.503477

>>503258
The correct take, if Russia doesn't move any further, the whole hype will be over in 2-3 months.

>>503472
Despite being a Russian and having lived in Ukraine for a while, I still don't understand what's their porkies' interests in shelling shit in the East. Those regions were lost in 2014-2015, why keep going.

 No.503478

>>503472
I would bet that Poroshenko (net worth $1.6 billion) will make a return

 No.503479

>>503472
Three are some unconfirmed reports of Russian or Donbass shelling already.
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1496056375167889412

 No.503480

>>503472
What has Ukraine to gain from shelling Donetsk and what has Russia to gain from spreading fake news about ebil nazis shelling Russian civilians in the area?

 No.503481

>>503476
They decided now to give them the proper licenses. Obviously the pipeline just sits there empty now. Actually the timing of this crisis makes me believe this was the US olan all along. The pipeline was supposed to begin working Dec 21.

 No.503482

>>503476
It's been on hold since the green coalition took power in the elections. This is just a song and dance for public consumption.

>>503477
personally I think the government has no functional control of the military anymore and most of the porkies have moved out to western europe

>>503478
already did a couple weeks ago when Zeley wasn't toeing the US line

 No.503483

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>>503469
I would rather be cold, hungry and poor than not. I prefer misery with or without Putin involved. We in Germany are really into sadism and masochism, which is why the US occupation for our country is perfect for us.

 No.503484

>>503472
Good, they will flattened. It is alway good to have some nazis steamrolled.
>>503477
>Despite being a Russian and having lived in Ukraine for a while
>I still don't understand what's their porkies' interests
They are NATO's bitches. They do what the atlanticists tell them to do.

 No.503485

There's been more habbenings under Biden than there has been with Trump. Maybe he really was the accelerationist choice.

 No.503486

Der Krauts "halted" the pipeline? What's that mean exactly?

 No.503487

>>503479
Now this just makes me sad when its an old babushka refusing to leave conflict area and getting shot with heavy artillery.

 No.503488

>>503485
The harm reduction option (Putin kills all the Ukrop butchers)

 No.503489

>>503486
It means somebody has to pay for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and who better to pay the price than some old people in Germany

 No.503490

>>503486
they put so many schnitzel and sauerkraut in the opening of the pipe that the oil can't flow any more

 No.503491

>>503486
It means they got burger'd.

 No.503492

>>503489
Oh please they are basically bathing in money on global standards.

 No.503493

>>503483
that does not look comfortable at all

 No.503494

funny how this turned into a NATO v. Russia thing without Ukraine ever having to join NATO in the first place. It's almost like there's no real operational standards for NATO, and they'll start wars that align with their own interests (even as a defensive alliance) and operate within nations by treating them as de-facto NATO members without any due process.

 No.503495

>>503492
Well, yeah, they will have to sell their gold slabs they use in the streets of the richest places of Germany now. Poor them. They cucked because they can also resist this shit too.

 No.503496

The pipeline will sit there until Germoney is sick of the high prices. I have a feeling it will turn on after everyone forgets about this

 No.503497

How bad are the gas prices gonna get in Germany? Remember the French yellow vest protests started over rising gas prices.

 No.503498

>>503493
Oh, trust me, it brings us great joy.

 No.503499

>>503497
There's already 6 - 8% inflation from 2021 in comparison to 2015.

 No.503500

>>503497
As high as master Sam wants it to be. We will obey his wishes and remain a faithful servant to master Sam.

 No.503501

>>503155
> https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/
Ты, блядь, серьезно?

 No.503502

>>503497
Yellow vest bros protested gasoline prices not natural gas prices.

 No.503503

>>503476
it was already on hold anyway, for 3 months and more it was really and all it needed is a stamp. Now we even admit its a political decision to keep it off so..

 No.503504

>>503486
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-germany-europe-berlin-79e3dafb0d231f6a033613b7dab78cdf
Ukraine-Russia: Germany suspends Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline
>BERLIN (AP) — Germany has taken steps to halt the process of certifying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia, Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Tuesday, as the West started taking punitive measures against Moscow over the Ukraine crisis.
>The decision, which was criticized by Moscow, is a significant move for the German government.

<[…]But Russia’s former president, Dmitry Medvedev, slammed the German government’s decision to halt certification of the pipeline.

<“Welcome to the brave new world where Europeans are very soon going to pay 2,000 euros for 1.000 cubic meters of natural gas!” said Medvedev, who is now deputy chair of Russia’s Security Council.

The propaganda makes it seem like the pipeline has been destroyed and cancelled where it's likely just a boureaucratic temporary concession so Washington can posture.

 No.503505

>>503504
>only a bureaucratic procedure
Anon; u do know ur talking about Germany here?

 No.503506

>>503505
Aw shit I mean to say diplomatic

 No.503507

>>503500
Russia doesnt seem to be very friendly about your EU federation project either, Hans.

 No.503508

>>503506
It is an indefinite hiatus. Maybe there will be a comeback album, maybe not.

 No.503509

>>503504
This shit will turn on again next fall and it will be announced on the back page of the news and no one will notice or remember

 No.503510

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>>503504
>cancelled where it's likely just a boureaucratic temporary concession so Washington can posture.
t.

 No.503511

>>503499
>>503497
Sorry, the inflation rate is 6% more than last year I mean. That's insane.

 No.503512

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 No.503513

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 No.503514

>>503480
Russia is against America, America bad, Russia good. Didn't you understand?

 No.503515

>>503512
Russia also loses lots of €uros that its resource based 3rd world economy desperately needs.

 No.503516

>>503515
Yeah, but it's cozy warm in Russia. Only frozen soup for Germany.

 No.503517

>>503503
Whats the general idea of people regarding the situation?
What are communist orgs saying?

 No.503518

>>503456
>Better start prepping for the slow-rolling collapse of the modern civilization, here's a leftist podcast for that:
>http://poorproles.com
I'm too dumb for this shit to be useful, very bougie of them to assume this will be useful to the vast majority of poles who don't have a garden as a hobby/have no interest in gardening

 No.503519

>>503517
about the recent news I cant tell you yet, but people are already very uncomfortable with the prices and vaccine mandates. Renting bubble is big as its everywhere. I personally have completely opted off seeing myself as part of this society so I can hardly judge. Last 2 years did me rough

 No.503520

>>503514
America bad Russian alternative capitalist imperialism bad. Critical support for German gassing operations.

 No.503521

>>503445
>And "Talking about rising gas prices is russian propaganda"
Kill me

 No.503522

>Europeans rather pay triple the gas price as long as it keeps their american overlords happy
Germany is literally the definition of being a cuck, holy shit i didn't expect this.

 No.503523

>>503519
>I personally have completely opted off seeing myself as part of this society
a communist can't do that

 No.503524

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File: 1645542119436-1.png (799.18 KB, 720x960, image.png)


 No.503525

>>503515
They have a huge reserve in gold, reserve in yuan, and even with the 50/50 NS-II deal, the 50 Russia had to pay, in part they were given E.U. loans to cover their 50%, kek. If Russia was a rapacious capitalist oligarchy, they wouldn't care about their people, let Donbas get destroyed, and stick to the NS-II deal showing no self-determination.

 No.503526

File: 1645542130639.jpeg (90.21 KB, 1575x1022, np_file_44767.jpeg)

What do you think he's doing right now? Seems like a nice movie to watch at his side.

 No.503527

>>503523
a communist knows that a quick death is not a useful alternative to communism. Its a personal decision.

 No.503528

>>503519
Aw shit comrade. I wish you didn't feel that way. Spring is right around the corner. Surely some comrades will be organizing cook outs at the park.

 No.503529

File: 1645542289370.jpeg (8.31 KB, 201x251, images (3).jpeg)

>>503523
>a communist can't do that

 No.503530

>>503527
Thank you man. Yeah I finally saw flowers, have a loving gf and just saw Moscow. Ill be fine :)

 No.503531

File: 1645542349893.jpg (61.43 KB, 635x900, 3029671_900.jpg)

Here's the LPR law about "friendship, cooperation and mutual help" between the LPR and the Russian Federation. The law is written to start on the day it is made public, which is today, 22.2.22.

 No.503532

>>503529
its fine bro, dont make me feel bad for derailing the thread

 No.503533

>>503524
In no place does the note says there are communist, kek. Also, are they gonzalites? The communists drafted the recognition of the DBR in the Duma.

 No.503534

>>503515
Lmao, EU has literally no natural gas reserves left, if Russia shuts down NS1, EU will literally fall on their knees begging Putin for gas.

 No.503535

File: 1645542376536.jpg (156.74 KB, 1058x1058, mnmkxvlbipg81.jpg)

>>503518
Check out the podcast's topics: it's not about your own garden, but community organizing for food growth, and not only about food growing but overall skill contribution. They have even episodes on communal defense.

 No.503536

>>503530
Good to hear. I send you a warm hug.

 No.503537

>>503530
Good to hear. I send you a cold hug.

 No.503538

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 No.503539

>>503532
My friends are planning to continue their civil engineering graduate courses in Germany and possibly move there. Is it still a good idea? lol.

 No.503540

>>503539
I men civil engineering is maybe actually a good choice. I personally rly hate it here and wanna move to another EU country later. But maybe the grass is always greener you know. Since its engineering Id say actually yes. After graduating youll have enough of an idea to maybe move further with a good degree

 No.503541

>>503534
Not my problem we dont use natural gas. Also just buy more from America.

 No.503542

>>503533
Medvedev is a Russian Socialist Movement (trots) activist, Tsukasov is KPRF-aligned.

 No.503543

>>503501
do people really still use livejournal? maybe i should remake an account bros, what do you think?

 No.503544

>>503543
People like cassad still use it lol, otherwise its dead

 No.503545

Is this all Cornman's fault in the end?

 No.503546

>>503545
no according to Putin it's the Kievan Rus' and Lenin's fault

 No.503547

>>503518
>very bougie to assume proles don't have an interest in gardening
OUTRAGEOUSLY bougie of you to treat 'gardening' as something fun to do and not literally a form of subsistence for actual proles of the world

 No.503548

File: 1645542839824.png (59.43 KB, 849x480, ClipboardImage.png)

>>503541
>we don't use natural gas
Where do you live, in a forrest?

 No.503549

>>503546
>Lenin's fault
Not the first time Putin would take a huge shit on former Bolshevik leadership and his loyal putinist cockgobblers think its fucking based anti-imperialism.

 No.503550

>>503546
Everything is Lenin's fault according to Putin, evil communism man planted an atomic bomb to undermine Russia's unity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGb1hTOconU

 No.503551

>>503546
He never said it's Lenin's fault lol, what a weird fixation on accusing Putin of stuff he didn't say. According to him in relity, it was Cthulhu who cause all this when he tentacled zelninksy's ass :^)

 No.503552

>>503547
proles buy bread/flour
farmers are not proles
I have rebuked thee

 No.503553

ok… but based on what?

 No.503554

Ilyin ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin ) is Putin's most favorite thinker, why does Putin's anticommunism come as a surprise to anybody?

 No.503555

>>503549
Oh no, you tell me that the dude who adored Alexander Solzhenitsyn and stans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin is bad??

 No.503556

File: 1645543163214.png (56.01 KB, 663x296, ClipboardImage.png)

>ITS LITERALLY THE SOVIET UNION 2.0
<putins official address explicitly stated his intent for total de-communization
modern day westoid propaganda is so boring man

 No.503557

>>503555
oh no, hes a reactionary, unlike the progressive US: I rly dont know who you wanna impress. Rightoids who think Russia is still communist?

In a world with 90% anti-communists, being anti-communist isnt too surprising. I dont care for Putin but the Russian people

 No.503558

>>503557
> b-but the US
both are shit, the West is just more powerful shit

 No.503559

>>503557
and backing down from this was neither what the Russian people nor any communist party in the region wanted. In fact the Ukrainian communist party made that most clearly

 No.503560

reminder that lenin is not communist and therefore not based on anything. i am one again calling for critical support of comrade chairman joeseph bidlin as he leads a protracted struggle for the liberation of the ukranian people.

 No.503561

>>503556
They are so lazy
>>503560
I am calling on Herr Putler to begin the Kekrainian genocide

 No.503562

Western leftist's understanding of Eastern Europe is sometimes truly hilarious. I laughed myself hard when encountered the "these Berkut fan-club people look very progressive and antifascist, but their use of 'jew' as a slur seems strange" line from one of these believers in Donbass' antiimperialist struggle.

 No.503563

File: 1645543522790.jpg (480.4 KB, 1280x899, 1431631064315.jpg)

>>503556
>the revival of the soviet union

 No.503564

>>503557
>In a world with 90% anti-communists
drop this flag burger faggot

 No.503565

>>503558
Read >>503525 everything else is pure cope.

 No.503566

>>503539
It's great. Berlin's housing market is insane, might as well call it "collapsed". If you have money, you can find studio apartments between 900-1.300 euros. Those are much easier to get. Knowing German is a huge advantage. Big comapnies are absolute trash in terms of customer service, especially if you don't know German. Winters are brutal, but IMO worth it.

If you're more tranquil, less on the side of intense night life, other cities might be more your drift. Even small cities are nice.

Compared to the third world, most things are better, but its not utopia either. You have bad shit here too. Crime exists, but much less. Public transportation is great, but it is expensive and could be better. Bike lines exist, but sometimes they're not good. In terms of worse things compared to where I grew up, Germany has way worse bureaucracy, worse service in government offices, worse customer service in monopolized companies, worse home internet connection (depends where you are), (surprisingly) worse labor rights (but much better enforced and better funded, so at the end this isnt a negative tbh), and no air conditioner for the summer.

I like it here.
>>503545
Yes.
>>503560
Daddy drop the bombs!!

 No.503567

>>503564
halt die Fresse Spast

 No.503568

>>503564
es sind nicht die 60er und ich denk du weißt genausogut wie ich dass die Red Scare ziemlich gut funktioniert hat. Ich hab für den Sozialismus auf der Straße gekämpft aber lass uns nicht einbolden das hier sind rosige Zeiten für uns.

 No.503569

>>503566
>have to live among Germans

 No.503570

File: 1645543714363.png (226 KB, 400x263, 1606598078141.png)

>wake up this morning
>brew some coffee
>watch the burger media
>Ukranian researcher on msnbc:
>muh Stalin ate all the grain
>muh gulags
>msnbc host:
>Ukraine has strong cultural heritage
>Russia is evil
Fucking hell, they really want WWIII don't they?

 No.503571

>>503555
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/373753-dostoyevsky-putin-russia-dark-soul/
>It’s also not the first time journalists have attempted to explain Putin using 19th century writers and philosophers. As Robinson noted on his blog, last year it was Ivan Ilyin — and next year it will probably be someone else who holds the true key to understanding Putin’s soul.

kek.
So now, Putin=Dugin, Putin=Vlasov, Putin=Yeltsin, and lastly Putin=Ilyin?

 No.503572

>>503549
>>503555
Also had Denikin, pogromist white guard, repatriated from America.

He deserves exactly what the Bolsheviks did to the Romanovs, Kornilov, Kolchak, Krasnov and Vlasov.

 No.503573

>>503571
Putin's adoration of Ilyin and Solzhenytsin is a famous theme in Russian debunking of all this "Putin wants to recreate the USSR" bullshit

 No.503574

>>503566
I once heard from other people migrating to Germany that their problems are that the taxes are too high and Germans are too smug and rude lol.

 No.503575

>>503567
>>503568
Das die Aussichten für uns in Deutschland gegenwärtig alles andere als rosig sind macht deine Behauptung von 90% Antikommunisten nicht richtig.

 No.503576

File: 1645543988359.png (779.78 KB, 576x767, ClipboardImage.png)

SOULJA BOY STANDS WITH DONBAS

 No.503577

>>503571
Cope harder, he's been stanning Ilyin since forever, here's from 2009 where he also visited the grave of FUCKING DENIKIN:
https://www.vesti.ru/article/2180162

 No.503578

>>503571
for me, it's Naputleon Bonaput

 No.503579

>>503575
von mir aus, ich hab die Angewohnheit Dinge zu negativ zu sehen. Ist klinisch. Ich sehs als Berg den es zu erklimmen gilt, nicht als Defeatismus. Sry für die Ausrutscher aber du kannst dir vorstellen nicht gern Yankee genannt zu werdenn

 No.503580

File: 1645544087129.jpg (187.74 KB, 1200x809, FKZekhsX0AIxOqU.jpg)

The fact that communists think they need to defend Vlasovite Russia is a sign of how rotten the movement is.
The proletariat has no true country since the USSR was destroyed by revisionists.

 No.503581

>>503580
*and the US

 No.503582

Does Russian propaganda really works? Nazis treating Putin as some kind of white race savior and some leftists praising Russian imperialism and ethno-nationalist projects

 No.503583

>>503582
> Does works

 No.503584

>>503579
>du kannst dir vorstellen nicht gern Yankee genannt zu werden
Ich dachte halt tatsächlich dass du ein Ami währst.

 No.503585

>>503548
>Where do you live, in a forrest?
Yes. Also we use about 12,5% natural gas for energy. Something we can gladly live without if it pisses off r*ssians.

 No.503586


 No.503587

>>503583
grammar reactionary

 No.503588


 No.503589

File: 1645544263158.png (168.93 KB, 2282x2087, slowpoke.png)

>>503580
>The fact that communists think they need to defend Vlasovite Russia is a sign of how rotten the movement is.
>The proletariat has no true country since the USSR was destroyed by revisionists.

 No.503590

>>503584
bitte nicht noch Sand in die wunde. Lass gut sein für hier

 No.503591

>>503582
Nah. Extremists are simply likely to cheer for the enemies of the US liberal hegemony no matter where it comes from.
/pol/ also likes the DPRK, for example.

 No.503592


 No.503593

>>503592
thx bruder

 No.503594

>>503577
And his grandfather was Lenin's and Stalin's cook, and said Lenin has to stay in the Red Square, so what?…
You will never understand this man if you keep only screeching anarchists' points of view.
>cope
>no u.

 No.503595

>>503591
It really does remind me how a lot of Russian liberals defend Ukrainian nationalism because Ukraine is a victim and having literal nazies is necessary. "Enemy of my enemy" logic is so dumb.

 No.503596

Remember it's the day of the Workers' and Peasants' Red Army tomorrow. The world's first army of the proletariat and oppressed, the great army of labour.

<"Wahh Lenin the scheming JudeoGermanUkrainian agent destroyed my holy Russia of Tsarist parasites, Cossack thugs, Okhrana and pogroms"

- Vladimir Putin, fascist billionaire oligarch.

>"Let the banner of the great Lenin be your lodestar, under the banner of Lenin forward to victory!"

- Joseph Stalin, Marxist-Leninist, Bolshevik revolutionary.

That is the difference between the classes.

 No.503597

Reposting (not mine)

>>764891

Seriously, if you're surprised at this you haven't been paying attention. Putin has never been a communist. Those who think, like many liberals I've seen on twitter, that this is somehow a revelation that will surprise us and force us to change our mind etc are completely ignorant of our general argument to begin with. Our "support" for Russia in this has nothing to do with identifying Russia with socialism, much less Putin. We harbor no illusions about Putin's government (similarly we do not harbor illusions about Iran's clerical government despite being even anti-communist). Stalin harbored no illusions about Britain and France when he pushed for alliance against the Nazis. Marx harbored no illusions when he supported the Ottoman Empire. We need to learn to stop engaging with liberals in the terms of bourgeois morality. Our position, as always, is strategic and based on the material forces in existence. This is the legacy within Marxism we need now more than ever.

 No.503598

>>503594
> And his grandfather was Lenin's and Stalin's cook
and Pete Buttigieg's father is a Marxist
> anarchists' points of view
> the dude literally building a White Army memorial and mentioning Ilyin in dozens of speeches
keep coping

 No.503599

>>503591

>/pol/ also likes the DPRK

>believing this hasn't anything to do with trump, their daddy, appeals to do a Lybia 2.0 on DPKR.
They are just intel op from the trump camp to promote that idea, that doesn't mean they indeed support DPKR, but for hack reasons.

 No.503600

File: 1645544624561.png (150.08 KB, 360x360, 1643208243941.png)

BLOODCAST WARCAST
NOT SO QUIET ON THE ECELEB FRONT
COVERAGE OF THE UKRAINE CRISIS THROUGH THE LENS OF THE ONLINE LEFT
COME CHAT CHILL
RIP YOUR BRAIN CELLS

https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast

 No.503601

>>503597
Iran is a clerical fascist state like fascist Spain or Slovakia that deserves not the slightest jot of suport from communists.

 No.503602

>>503534
NS2 is probably going to go into service later this year, when it's a politically more opportune moment. The US is powerfull but they can't change the tendency to use more energy and produce it at lower cost. Basically everything that is alive is an entropy maximization machine. If the EU can't get cheap energy it will collapse harder than the USSR, harder than Libya. There is no more possibility for a low energy economy to exist, EU citizens use hundreds if not thousands of times the amount of energy that human biology can generate. Even so called de-industrialized service economies use orders of magnitude more energy than industrialized economies of previous centuries. Even a moderate reduction of energetic flow can cause a complete political collapse. Energy availability determines the level of social complexity that is possible.

This is the opportune time for German leftist to burn the political viability of green neo-liberals to ash, about 50% of German capital relies on gas, the political configuration that can restore gasflow has the best chances at winning.

 No.503603

>>503574
Taxes are not that high and you get a lot for them. For me, the biggest issue is that software engineer salaries are low compared to the US. Also, German software companies are somewhat bureaucratic and that sucks.
German people in general are mostly all "middle class" and well educated (or educated enough). Compared to other sides of the world where the difference between a waiter and an office worker is a huge difference in salary and education. In my experience Germans are chill and generally cool, as any other country except the US. German idiosyncrasies are much more straight forward than others so they might seem extremely rude, but its usually just saying things plainly as they are, without so much decorating the responses. You get used to it.
In general, society feels much less degenerated (as in "dissolved", "decomposed") than in other places, especially the US, and people are less physical than say latin america, but still just as nice.

 No.503604

>>503601
It does not mean that I 'support the IR' when I say that I am happy that they send weapons to Yemen to fight against the genocidal Saudi/US war imposed on them. The Ansarallah are also fundamentalist Islam, I do not 'support' that just because I think they should have the space to breathe.

 No.503605

>>503597
Why would someone compare tactical alliance with people at war with the same genocidal maniac and supporting ethnic nationalism and imperialism because these are anti-american ethnic nationalism and imperialism?

 No.503606

>>503605
>you have to believe in Novorussiya to be happy that NATO, the greater power, could lose

 No.503607

File: 1645545060545-1.jpg (8.41 KB, 286x176, download.jpg)

>>503598
> the dude literally building a White Army memorial and mentioning Ilyin in dozens of speeches
>and when the question arose about stopping the Lenin's memorial funds he roundly said no
>and Pete Buttigieg's father is a Marxist
Actions speak more than words, I can bring many counterexamples of actions+words that suit him as a complex character, from the result of the USSR dissolution.

 No.503608

>>503566
>Berlin's housing market is insane
is München a joke to you?
>Public transportation is great
kek

 No.503609

>>503580
Hey, pseud, NS-II is canceled, "all ruling classes are the same" failed. Keep being a pseud, keep being a class traitor.

 No.503610

>>503607
It's more than possible he's a nationalist that isn't in complete denial of the relevance of the communists to the country's history while also disagreeing with them (ie having financial interests totally at odds with them)

 No.503611

>>503609
>NS-II is canceled
Ripping it out the sea floor are they?

 No.503612

File: 1645545416023.gif (1.26 MB, 443x259, dr-phil-source.gif)

>>503611
>le moving goalpost, pseud edition
>mfw
>>503610
He's a complex character. If he were a nationalist, he wouldn't bring back the Syrian children, all muslims from muslim families, despite the Kosovo war, despite the hundreds of terror attacks they received during the existence of alqaeda and ISIL, something hardly mentioned in the western media, btw.
The only thing certain is that he wants to bring back glory days for Russia.

 No.503613

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 No.503614

>>503609
> NS-II is canceled
I would hope so, but it is just halted for now, burgs don't want to lose their advantages

 No.503615

>>503608
>München
I don't know anything, but Berlin's issue is that there are not enough apartments for rent. There's no way in hell München is worse in that regard. We're at the limit of insanity, it can't get any worse (famous last words).

As for public transportation, brah, you have no idea how blessed you are. It's such a nice thing to have. There's even trains you can take besides the metro. 😍😍😍😍

>>503609
Lies.

 No.503616

File: 1645545637851.jpg (74.21 KB, 778x1024, imperial malarky.jpg)

>>503560
based Joseph is making Putin liberate the People of Donetsk and Lugansk

 No.503617

>>503615
>>503615
>Lies.
>>503417

>German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced on Tuesday that he had ordered a halt to the certification process for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

 No.503618

>>503617
> halt
> cancelled
It isn't even "signing and ratifying" level of difference

 No.503619

>>503607
Why Western Putin stans are so dense?
Exploiting the WW2 victory for PR has nothing to do with socialism/communism, they've been constructing a nation-building myth about the Heroic Russsian People in the last decades with zero connections of it to the USSR aside from the visuals of that time.

 No.503620

File: 1645545916224.jpg (20.46 KB, 446x271, 555 cmon now.jpg)

>>503618
>mfw
and what do you think is going to happen when Russia makes DBR regain its oblast control through intense artillery and troops mobilization if just being proportionate with the MinskII agreements already halted the NSII?

 No.503621

>>503620
> when
We don't know yet if this will happen. Maybe Russians just wanted to "legalize" Russian presence in these republics

 No.503622

>>503620
NS2: Gaseus Boogaloo was already stalled by the German government basically at the behest of the US. Scholz promised to cuck to the US a lil a few days ago if something happened in Ukraine. He has to play ball for now.

The question is how this will play long term. Gas is immensely important to Europe. In a pandemic, when gas prices are already high, inflation is already high, and gas reserves are low.

 No.503623

>>503328
That is a pretty good suggestion because you would have to force a much smaller number of redditors to do those things than you would have to force to make the batteries necessary for a wind/solar based electrical grid. I will gladly join le reddit army in cleaning up once-in-a-half-century industrial accidents.

 No.503624

As predicted
>>503412
>The sanctions, I think, will be specific and targeted.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/ukraine-crisis-uk-announces-sanctions-on-russian-banks-wealthy-individuals.html
>Addressing lawmakers on Tuesday in the House of Commons, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the first tranche of sanctions would target Rossiya, IS Bank, General Bank, Promsvyazbank and the Black Sea Bank.
>The measures would also sanction three “very high net worth” individuals: Gennady Timchenko, Boris Rotenberg and Igor Rotenberg.

 No.503625

File: 1645546259734.gif (333.41 KB, 200x95, joint-good-high-one.gif)

>>503619
>Exploiting the WW2 victory for PR has nothing to do with socialism/communism
>explooting nationalists' monuments for PR has nothing to do with nationalism, fascism, and monarchism.
See how that's a weak argument.
Yeah, better believe that places like the west/NATO that haven't achieved socialism once they have some authority to speak about what has and hasn't to do with communism.
I am not saying he will go back, to communism, despite he explicitly said he would stop the USSR if he could go back in time, but def he's a nuanced person, and the only ultras here are the ones that don't want to fully know integrally the most important man in the Russian history in the what's been the first 2 decades of the 21st century and focus on the things about nationalism, etc.

 No.503626

Da, Comrade.

 No.503627

File: 1645546401903.png (584.31 KB, 1194x1026, ClipboardImage.png)

So it is really happening?

 No.503628


 No.503629

>>503627
i dunno dude i can't read that shit

 No.503630

>>503622
>>503621
kek, so according to you, this is still a nothingburger. Good.

 No.503631

>>503627
> based on principles and norms of international law
kek

 No.503632

>>503627
The full Donbas region will be taken, yes that looks like it's happening and it will be a big war. I don't think they'll go further than that, but they might pretend to in order to gain diplomatic pressure.

 No.503633

>>503632
This means Russia millitary will face the Ukrainian millitary, since Ukraine occupies the majority of Donbas

 No.503634

>>503633
> Ukrainian
> millitary

 No.503635

>it's becoming impossible for Europe to import fossil fuels
All in all, a big win for the climate. Enjoy losing your decadent western lifestyles and living life on third world carbon budgets.

 No.503636

>>503635
They still have coal

 No.503637

File: 1645546710310.png (19.91 KB, 1129x130, manowar.png)

He tried to warn us, but we didn't want to listen

 No.503638

>>503634
Huh, yeah…?

 No.503639

>>503633
Yes. I'm unclear on how that is different from before. The militias like Azov are part of the Ukrainian National Guard (a gendarmerie), it seems that the Ukrainian Ground Forces are the 'real' army.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Ground_Forces

 No.503640

>>503634
They have an army filled-up with Fascists, but ofcourse they will never be able to face Russia, that's where NATO comes in

 No.503641

>people itt still think the ukraine is real
never have i seen such a lack of material analysis

 No.503642

>>503640
Think NATO has said over and over that they won't send troops in. Ukraine should probably surrender the territory

 No.503643

>>503639
> most of the volunteer soldiers of the territorial defence battalions were integrated into the official Ukrainian army

 No.503644

>>503642
When they do that Azov and Right Sector will overthrow Zelensky.

 No.503645

>>503643
Lol yeah so this Ukrainian side won't be much different from before, maybe more aggressive
>>503644
Hopefully they choose suicide-by-RAF

 No.503646

>>503644
They are an annoyance but not a real force

 No.503647

>>503645
and more rambo which is strongly impractical. It will be a mess

 No.503648

File: 1645547121811.jpg (77.11 KB, 540x539, 1644755420679.jpg)

>>503633
Putin is trying to cause disunity in the west by pushing the limits of what consitutes as an invasion of Ukraine. Many NATO members are reluctant to impose full economic sanctions so there may be disagreements to be taken advantage of. Russian military would be steamrolled by NATO forces in conventional war so Russians try to divide&conquer.

 No.503649

>>503601
once i learned that you were british your endless retardposting on this site finally made sense

 No.503650

>>503649
And now youre bringing idpol, wonderful

 No.503651

>>503642
Lmao if Zelensky hands territory over to the Russians he knows that he will get shot by Azov members

>>503646
What? Azov is literally integrated in the NAtional army of Ukraine

 No.503652

>>503310
Josimir Statin moment

 No.503653

>>503651
Yes, they are recognized, just like National Corps is a registered party

 No.503654

Watching MSNBC:
Implying that strong sanctions will be put on for fully taking Dombas region.
"People here have strong sympathies for Moscow" actual quote.
Ukrainians reject the western idea of WW3 style invasion happening, lol. MSNBC reporter coping and seething

 No.503655

>>503641
but then where do kulaks come from

 No.503656

>>503650
anti-britishness isnt idpol, its based on material analysis

 No.503657

>>503656
Just like complaining about "murricans" and "rusroaches"

 No.503658

>>503649
Nice argument.

 No.503659

>>503197
I'm new, where're these screenshots from?

 No.503660


 No.503661

>>503659
liveuamap

 No.503662

>>503654
Also: "We predicted that exactly this would happen" LMAO
"Will the sanctions work?" "Uh, we're not sure"

 No.503663

File: 1645547463366.mp4 (133.92 KB, 640x360, teen-titans-go-society.mp4)

Some news:
>The Russian Senate gives the green light to the use of the armed forces in Donbas.

>>503651
>>503651

>Lmao if Zelensky hands territory over to the Russians he knows that he will get shot by Azov members

>mwf

 No.503664

>>503609
lololol sure. Is the original Nord Stream? Nah, course not so nothing has changed. Russia will continue to pump gas to the EU bourgeoisie, while slandering Lenin and Bolshevism.

 No.503665

>>503662
"[the sanctions] definitely will have an impact on every day Russians. smirks " this absolute ghoul

 No.503666

>>503650
the anglo has never been anything more than a soulless barbarian who can only interact with other nations through oppression, piracy and bloodshed. material analysis is not idpol.

 No.503667

>>503604
They're fighting for their own bourgeois nationalist and aspiring imperial interests.

 No.503668

>>503666
Sounds a lot like Adolf Hitler in 1940, fuck off cunt.

 No.503669

File: 1645547608932.png (1.37 MB, 960x960, 1643220020242.png)

>>503625
>but def he's a nuanced person
I bey you think pic related is a "nuanced person" too.

 No.503670

>>503661
Thanks.

 No.503671

>>503669
based as fuck person

 No.503672

>>503667
Again, I do not care about what they think they are fighting for, I care about the effect it will have, which I deem a net positive. If I thought my 'support' actually mattered, I would be working against them, but it doesn't.

 No.503673

File: 1645547702914.png (55.53 KB, 538x649, ClipboardImage.png)

YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS

 No.503674

ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ ПИЗДЕЦ

 No.503675

File: 1645547833865.png (93.07 KB, 1199x571, ClipboardImage.png)

RIP

 No.503676

>>503664
PSEUUUUUD boooo
>>503669
That guy isn't in charge of Russia, and Russia isn't directed towards a disastrous direction.
>and the sabotard joins the schizo gang with a weird false equivalent argument.

 No.503677

>>503676
> Russia isn't directed towards a disastrous direction
It pretty sure is

 No.503678

MSNBC bragging about more NATO troops in Poland, lol
>>503675
I think fighting will happen first

 No.503679

>>503673
All your Donbas are belong to us

 No.503680

>>503658
Do you want an argument? Iran defends the Hezbollah militias, highly charge with Marxism and left-leaning positions. Also, Iran is more anti-imperialist than you'd ever be.
But you will deflect, dilate, and be a kautsky as usual. Class traitor.

 No.503681

>>503630
I've been saying that this charade is the burger. This is only the next step. It will remain a primarily diplomatic burger. I didn't expect the invasion of ucraine so let's hope I'm right.

 No.503682

<Bolsheviks in 1918
>No war but class war! Give Ukrainians their own republic for defending the revolution!

<Leftoids in 2022

>ukrainian hohol are pigs xaxaxa nuclear habbening in kiev soon russia stronk bolshevik bad nato=nazi

 No.503683

>>503673
>minsk agreements are no longer exist

 No.503684

>>503682
both the left and right in the West are divided on the issue. Black Rifle Coffee gun nuts are beefing with /pol/-tier contrarians, patsocs are beefing with the radlibs. so it goes

 No.503685

>>503625
He's not exploiting fash philosophers for PR, ffs. He does it without much noise and cite them as his ideological fundamentals when giving long speeches.

Yes, he's a nuanced person because you can't run something as ideologically diverse as Russia as an inflexible fundamentalist, but still he's a true reactionary and a continuation of Yeltsin's project.

 No.503686

File: 1645548152444.jpg (61.52 KB, 604x453, hedzka54aac71.jpg)

>>503676
>That guy isn't in charge of Russia
No but people like him are. You don't have to look very deep to see the schizophrenic tendencies of modern Russian nationalism, which combines disparate and antagonistic iconography and concepts like the USSR and Russian Empire in service of Russia's bourgeois ruling class. You have to truly be delusional to think that Putin's use of Soviet imagery is actually representative of his politics or the class character of his government.

 No.503687

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 No.503688

>>503680
>Hezbollah good because they have social democratic positions
>Also you are a Kautskyite
omegalul

 No.503689

MSNBC: NATO troops are symbolic, they will not be put into combat situations unless Russia invades NATO countries. Lol Putin already won
>>503683
Ukraine already decided this

 No.503690

>>503686
> суть времени
Wasn't it just some small-scale project to detract naive leftists into supporting Putin?

 No.503691

>>503689
I was making fun of the polandball grammar

 No.503692

>>503677
When the USSR dissolved, thanks to neoliberal policies, inequity exploded, illiteracy exploded, endemic diseases that were extinct returned, child prostitution was common. All of this stopped, all data reflects they curved income inequity, GINI coef. lowered, illiteracy was reduced, those diseases were reduced.
Good cope, Russia hater.

 No.503693

File: 1645548270437-0.png (1.02 MB, 960x960, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1645548270437-1.png (57.99 KB, 442x738, ClipboardImage.png)

>They are going to go all out and turn Ukraine into a demilitarized puppet state

 No.503694

>>503693
Buffer state you mean

 No.503695

>>503690
back in 2011 it wasn't really small

 No.503696

>>503680
The irony of this post.

 No.503697

File: 1645548373704.png (13.88 KB, 610x119, image.png)


 No.503698

So what does Putin actually gain from taking Donetsk and Luhansk?

 No.503699

>>503694
A buffer state would be Ukraine pre-2014, to do what they describe here would require them to take kiev and install a puppet government

 No.503700

>>503698
Kekraine will never join NATO, and the war ends

 No.503701

>>503698
Nobody knows. It looks… ideologically driven?

 No.503702

>>503699
Actually I don't think it does require a pro-Russian government, only submission, which would lead to less fighting so it may be appealing

 No.503703

>>503698
In all honesty it's probably a consolation prize to avoid an all out war without looking weak politically. If he takes Donbass and the West does nothing, then it looks like he bullied them, even if he didn't actually gain anything in the strategic sense.

 No.503704

File: 1645548484843.png (25.91 KB, 634x148, ClipboardImage.png)

BASED DISSENTERS IN THE NEOLIB CHAT

 No.503705

>>503693
What the hell is happening in Kreml?

 No.503706

File: 1645548514364.jpg (30.09 KB, 700x654, stare.jpg)

>>503697
>>503693
What the fuck is happening

 No.503707

>>503705
Дед ебанулся

 No.503708


>>503519
Its scary how much I can relate to that.

 No.503709

File: 1645548540595-0.pdf (61.92 MB, 179x255, The_Horde.pdf)

File: 1645548540595-1.png (1.11 MB, 632x896, h.png)

>>503693
> Ukraine should abandon NATO path and declare neutrality

FINALLY, THE HORDE PLOT COMES TO LIFE

 No.503710

>>503700
>Kekraine will never join NATO, and the war ends
Why not? What's stopping them from joining NATO after Putin takes Donetsk and Luhansk?

 No.503711

>>503686
>Germans invade Russia
>England, France, America, and Japan Powers invade Russia
>Germans invade Russia again
>Western Powers strip Russia of their borderlands, have them join NATO
>America builds military bases in the basaltic
Why wouldn't Russia be nationalistic? Monarchy, Socialism, or Liberalism. Makes no difference what ideology Russia has, they are besieged by the world no matter what, every promised that is made to them is broken. No shit they have become a monster, they are now a monster that the west has created, now its time for the west to get what they deserve.
>>503690
Russian leftists support revenge against the west, not Putin. They support revenge against the west because for generations the west has betrayed them.

 No.503712


 No.503713

LEFTYPOL CHALLENGE:
TELL ME A MORE CUCKED SPECIES OF HUMAN THAN THE KRAUT
HARD MODE: CAN'T USE ANY TYPE OF ANGLO

 No.503714

>>503710
Territorial dispute means no NATO allowed. I guess they could stop recognizing those territories but it seems unlikely, especially with the outsized nationalist influence

 No.503715

>>503713
twitch political streamers

 No.503716

>>503713
idpol go /pol/

 No.503717


 No.503718

>>503711
Im sick and tired of Russians invading everyone living next to them and they cry they are victims at the same time.

 No.503719

File: 1645548737175.png (10.88 KB, 610x99, image.png)


 No.503720

Igor Strelkov/Girkin, a FSB officer from Russia came to Donbass in 2014 with a bunch of armed man and declared armed resistance to Kiev. That's how the war started. The DNR is illegitimate. There is no true separatism in Ukraine. It's 100% russian nazi fascist invasion

 No.503721

>>503686
>You don't have to look very deep to see the schizophrenic tendencies of modern Russian nationalism
>except that the communist party in Russia keeps raising its presence in the Douma.
>that information I will ignore it or plainly say they are puppets, etc, etc
>You have to truly be delusional to think that Putin's use of Soviet imagery is actually representative of his politics or the class character of his government.
It is part of his policies, or else he would de-communize as Poland did, a Ukraine did, as Lithuania did, as did, etc.
The only delusional here, the one cherrypicking some facets of Russia, and always pretending they are imperialists to sideline with NATO arguments is you.

 No.503722

>>503720
Proofs?

 No.503723

>>503716
>Pretending like /pol/ isnt the most pro-Yankee space on the internet
Go back to Reddit

 No.503724


 No.503725

>>503557
<90%

More like 97 to 98%

 No.503726

>>503692
>When the USSR dissolved, thanks to neoliberal policies, inequity exploded, illiteracy exploded, endemic diseases that were extinct returned, child prostitution was common. All of this stopped, all data reflects they curved income inequity, GINI coef. lowered, illiteracy was reduced, those diseases were reduced.
Not that guy. Yes Putin moved the economy left compared to 90s neo-liberalism and he gets points for that. Russia haters are wrong for not recognizing this, but Russia's population is still declining. What's up with that, why isn't there a recovery ?

 No.503727

>>503704
the extent of this dissent is probably something along the lines of
>NOOOOO I need to consoom russian gas aaaaaaaaa

 No.503728

>>503722
The founder of Donetsk People's Republic is a Moscow native and member of Putin's political party Alexander Borodai. He went into Ukraine, established a separatist state and then moved back to live in Moscow. A lot of these guys, not all of course, are not even Ukrainians. They travel into the country to fight as "separatists" and then leave. Average people probably just want peace and to be left alone.

 No.503729

>>503725
kys burger faggot

 No.503730

>>503720
not really true, Givi was a local worker wasn't he

 No.503731

>>503720
The question isn't whether the war/movement was coopted and won by Russia (it was), the question is whether the movement has support in the areas, and it does

 No.503732

>>503718
>the russkie cries out in pain as he invades you

 No.503733

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 No.503734

>>503728
Shhh, you are wrecking their dream about DNR/LNR being Le Basado Worker States and not warlord-controlled shitholes used for Russian imperialism.

 No.503735

>>503704
>Orbán is actually based
kys burger faggot

 No.503736

>>503729
you are delusional
>>503704
haha

 No.503737

>>503735
America bad, anti-america good, you should learn this by heart

 No.503738

File: 1645548969280.png (1.86 MB, 1024x745, ClipboardImage.png)

>>503711
How has the west betrayed them? Their own stupid leaders betrayed them.

 No.503739

>>503734
Exactly bro. Russian imperialism is currently a growing threat that must be dealt with ASAP. Hopefully Ukraine perseveres

 No.503740

>>503711
Russia right now

 No.503741

>>503737
literally true in every single situation for 77 years

 No.503742

>>503733
a daring synthesis
>>503727
Well, yes

 No.503743

>>503737
yes…?

 No.503744

>>503637
I don't want to listen manowar

 No.503745

>>503739
Agree on the first one, but disagree on the second one: current Ukraine should be abolished because it's an oligarch-run reactionary shithole. Unfortunately, no true socialist movements there after all the "LEFT = RUSSIAN" propaganda.

 No.503746


 No.503747

File: 1645549099482.pdf (680.46 KB, 168x255, Xu2018.pdf)

>>503733
>dengoid
fuck gozaloids to btw.

 No.503748

>>503696
>>503688
Talking about "arguments" lol
>The ideology of Hizballah also contains features of class analysis. In Leninist
thought, conflicts are viewed as the products of struggle between exploited and
exploiting classes. This view is shared by Hizballah although the Leninist terms are Islamized. Thus, the exploited classes are referred to as al-mustad‘afun (a Quranic term which means the downtrodden, or more precisely those who are rendered weak), and the exploiting classes are referred to as al-mustakbirun (another Quranic word that means the arrogant ones, the exact opposite of mustad‘afun) … Like Leninist thought, Hizballah believes that justice and equality can be achieved through human efforts, through a revolutionary process. Hizballah represents a revolutionary version of Shiite Islam. (AbuKhalil 1991, 395)
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/governing-for-revolution/hezbollah/502A7A23B397EE4346E3654A41ED299A
(Use sci-hub, etc)

Let's see how you slander Iran and Hezbollah, more.

 No.503749

>>503721
>except that the communist party in Russia keeps raising its presence in the Douma
So? Putin isn't part of the communist party, and every time they actually seriously oppose him on something he arrests their leaders and represses them.
>It is part of his policies, or else he would de-communize as Poland did
Russia did de-communize in every practical sense, insofar as it destroyed the institutions of the Soviet Union and restored the power of the bourgeoisie. The only reason why superficial lip service is paid to the USSR is because most Russians view it positively, so denouncing it too aggressively would be political suicide.
>and always pretending they are imperialists
There are only two kinds of capitalist states: imperialists and aspiring imperialists. Besides, even taking that into account I still would prefer Russia to win the current standoff in Ukraine, so your accusations of me being pro-NATO are foolish.

 No.503750

>>503728
And the founder of the Donestk Republic Party is a Ukrainian in 2005 who went to Donestsk State Technical University and they won 68% of the vote in 2014

 No.503751

>>503708
something here goes very wrong

 No.503752

>>503741
based ISIS supporter

 No.503753

>>503750
Isn't he some Nazbol guy who was later banned by the DPR from running lmao

 No.503754

>>503718
if you think that the baltics joining NATO isn't a provocation you don't understand geopolitics
>>503738
When the COLD War ended NATO promised not to incorporate ex-communist staes into NATO. NATO broke this promise. NATO is the aggressor.
>>503728
Eastern Ukraine is made up of ethinc Russians, no shit people move between Russia and Eastern Ukraine, they are part of the same nation.

 No.503755

>>503723
STFU ignorant cuck

 No.503756

> In 2011–2013 Pushilin volunteered for a recent successor of the Russian Ponzi scheme company MMM, which in 1990s cost its customers millions of dollars before it was disbanded in 1994 and revived in 2011.[6][7][4] Pushilin never denied involvement with the company.[8] Despite the MMM's record, the Ministry of Justice allowed registration of the MMM party in Ukraine.
> As a member of the newly created MMM-party and part of the MMM Global as an abbreviation for "We Have One Goal" (Ukrainian: Ми Маємо Мету), Pushilin failed to win a seat in the 15 December 2013 repeat elections of the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary election in simple-majority constituencies number 94 (located in Obukhiv) because got only 0.08% of the votes.
> Denis Pushilin, the self-proclaimed chairman of the republic stated that he does not envision the Donetsk People's Republic becoming an independent state, instead preferring to join a renewed Russian Empire.
lmao

 No.503757

>>503736
>no argument whatsoever

 No.503758

>>503637
Is that the band? I've had the Sabaton channel reply to my comments before, but this is something else kek

 No.503759

>>503689
>NATO troops are symbolic
the absolute state

 No.503760

>>503754
>When the COLD War ended NATO promised not to incorporate ex-communist staes into NATO. NATO broke this promise. NATO is the aggressor.
Yeah, and only a complete moron for a leader that is thinking with their wallet would let themselves believe that wouldn't be the case.

 No.503761

>>503733
Based meme. Saved.

 No.503762

>>503755
>>503755
Want me to give you the link?

 No.503763

File: 1645549368077.png (1.19 MB, 1067x1200, ClipboardImage.png)

>>503752
With the power of Allah and Marx we shall destroy the Great Satan.

 No.503764

>>503748
Can you keep this islamic capitalism bullshit discussion somewhere else?

 No.503765

why didn't Ukraine join Nato

 No.503766

>>503752
nice try but ISIS was created by the US and Israel

 No.503767

>>503726
>Russia haters are wrong for not recognizing this, but Russia's population is still declining. What's up with that, why isn't there a recovery?
Because it is still a capitalist country, why else, lol. I acknowledge their deficiencies, also, their fertility rate are higher than the E.U. average, in that regard.

 No.503768

>>503760
a broken promise is a broken promise

 No.503769

>>503752
>DAESH is anti-american
gigakek

 No.503770

>>503764
Oh yes, there can't be progressive tendencies in religious thought, folks like Ali Shariati and Jesus didn't exist

 No.503771

>>503760
>only a complete moron
let me tell you about a boy named Mikhail Sergeyevich

 No.503772

>>503748
Pretty based and informative actually, although not sure how we've ended up discussing this in the Ukraine thread.
Make a Hezbollah thread tbqh

 No.503773

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 No.503774

File: 1645549504613.jpg (20.77 KB, 406x394, 1645538451396.jpg)

you can't make up how shit pro-war proganda is

 No.503775

>>503753
>the people of the republics are all crazy!
doesn't really matter
In 2020, a slim majority of Luhansk citizens polled wanted the recognition of the independence of the Republics. (And the opinion was pretty divided, a slim majority in Donetsk agreed with Ukrainian demands). I can find the link if you'd like, Ukrainian poll.

 No.503776

>>503773
radlibs will say this proves that we need to go with war with Russia, because Russia bad, slav mad bad

 No.503777

>>503774
they forgot to capitalize US

 No.503778


 No.503779

>>503757
>there are communists everywhere, but in none of these conflicts
no argument needed

 No.503780

>>503748
isnt hezbolla just a palestinian cuck party who vote all the measures the lebanon gov wants?
Like i think they are mostly intrested in antizionism

 No.503781

>>503763
do trots really

 No.503782

>>503780
too based for some

 No.503783

>>503780
Its a Shia party that goes along with the Lebanese gov because they are allowed to operate a state within a state

 No.503784


>>503770
>He fell for the lolberation theology meme

 No.503785

>>503773
is semen a common name in ukraine

 No.503786

>>503776
Who is going to war with Russia? Is someone planning this? Is Ukraine going to invade Russia? This narrative doesnt make sense.

 No.503787

People's Temple was based before it has gone schizo to be honest

 No.503788

>>503754
cuck map

 No.503789

>>503785
Yes, it is a common slavic name, like Gayorgy

 No.503790


 No.503791

>>503680
>>503672
Oh right Hezbollah, an islamist organisation, the working class needs religious reactionaries like a hole in the head.

 No.503792

>>503768
What good does complaining about a broken promise do? Blame NATO sure, but the world's most "gullible" and newly minted Russian leaders are also to blame. The betrayal is being entirely externalized when there are people responsible still living in luxury within Russia's borders.
>>503771
Yeah, and then there's Yeltsin who needed to get filthy rich so he could quickly drink himself to death like a pre-revolution peasant. If fascism is a bundle of faggots then you could use this definition to call late USSR fascism this is a joke for the autists reading btw

 No.503793

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 No.503794

>>503791
>Hezbollah is worse than Lebanese """government"""
really educated post here

 No.503795

>>503764
Wasn't me who brought a shit atlk about Iran.
>>503733

BASED a fuck post.
>>503728
>implying a single man "funded" shit.
>Average people probably just want peace and to be left alone.
there were multiple polls indicating this stuff and they said they wanted to be part of Russia, especially after the Odessa events. Even the muslim minorities were polled from time to time just to see if liberals could screech "muh ethnic minorities" and they were consistently happy with 90% supporting Russian assistance.

 No.503796

>>503792
>If fascism is a bundle of faggots then you could use this definition to call late USSR fascism
kek

 No.503797

>>503792
> If fascism is a bundle of faggots
Best language joke

 No.503798

>>503720
>If you really want to understand Russia / Ukraine you have to go ALL THE WAY BACK to the ancient past of 2014


According to Ian Traynor, the Guardian's longtime Moscow and Eastern Europe correspondent, the Orange Revolution followed a pattern developed in Yugoslavia to overthrow the government of Slobodan Milošević. After that, it was continued in Georgia as the so-called Rose Revolution.[46] What seemed spontaneous was, according to this account, the result of underground networking within opposition groups. Student activists and academics were the leaders, including the Ukrainian Pora! consisted almost entirely of students. The previously best-known subversive movement was Otpor, a movement of young people and students that helped bring pro-EU Vojislav Kostunica to power in Serbia. In Georgia 2003 the analogue movement was named Kmara. A movement in Belarus is called Subr. It appeared in the local elections in 2004. The Ukrainian student movement Pora! was considered a terrorist organization by some Ukrainian media and security forces. Six Pora! activists were arrested in mid-November 2004 on suspicion of terrorism because explosives, detonators and a grenade were allegedly found on them. Western governments and Yushchenko's supporters, on the other hand, held the Pora! not for a terrorist organization.[46][47][48]

The activists of these movements were trained by a coalition of professional Western advisers, aides and pollsters. The activities were funded and supported by Western governments, agencies and organizations such as the Konrad Adenauer Foundation[49] and - according to the British daily The Guardian - by the US State Department and USAID together with the National Democratic Institute, the International Republican Institute, the Freedom House organization, which is largely funded by the American government, and billionaire George Soros with his Open Society Institute. The German weekly Die Zeit claimed, among other things, that Yushchenko and his circle received at least 65 million US dollars through various channels from the USA alone. The aim of the USA is to expand NATO and weaken the EU in this way. [50][51][46]

Before the elections, Yushchenko also promised that he would tear up the plan for a Eurasian economic area if he won.

 No.503799


 No.503800

>>503775
No need I'm supportive of the people there and don't like Ukraine at all, I think they've largely brought all this upon themselves, but there are lots of shady fascistic characters involved who shouldn't be left to go under the radar.

 No.503801

>>503785
You've never heard of the hero of the soviet people, Semen Hitler?

 No.503802

>>503783
Tbh they dont just go along ,they have taken minister seats a plenty of corruption scandals(although you are correct that hezbollah and the party are distinct ,the ideologues hild positions with the armed wing while the corrupt one get ministries)

 No.503803

>>503596
BDE post.

>>503601
Disagreeing. Iran is the only state fighting Israel and is taking concrete steps to ensure this happens.


>>503613
>>503627
>>503693

Finally things get some more into motion.

>>503622
Even if it is for a few months the additional expenses to cover for heightened gas prices could easily strain Italy Spain and probably even Belgium public finances in Europe or if not addressed simply lead to a wider crisis.

>>503733
<Dengoid vs Gonzaloid
Fbi vs CIA arc confirmed?

 No.503804

File: 1645550093604.jpg (92.77 KB, 1024x576, 1239690.jpg)

Ok i have soft spot for actual islamic communism. I miss this uygha like you wouldnt believe.

 No.503805

>>503791
>class traitor
>chauvinistic
>pseud
You honor Lenin poorly.

 No.503806

EXCLUSIVE (Reuters) Biden administration has prepared export controls to hit Russian companies with alleged military ties and deny Russians access to global technology, including electronics and computers

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1496170434290724878

The game is stepping up, AGAIN.
Very fond of these developments.

 No.503807

i'm so fucking horny for war please mr. putin i need to cum

 No.503808

>>503806
> including electronics and computers
Please no

 No.503809

>>503806
Putinism is when no iPhone

 No.503810

>>503808
hope you like huawei because that's all you're getting lol

 No.503811

>>503806
This will hurt bad in the long run. Russia will be wiped from the map if it cant keep up with the arms race.

 No.503812

>>503808
SMIC is gonna receive A LOT of money.
Also Huawei and Xiaomi.

 No.503813

>>503791
>the working class needs religious reactionaries like a hole in the head.
cool idealism bro
yeah the people of lebanon should just bootstrap themselves to being based MLs
the materialist dialectic is irrelevant after all unless the people fighting in it meet the correct ideological conditions
this is definitely what marx and lenin though

 No.503814

>>503811
Russia will have to pool its resources with Iran China Dprk.

 No.503815

>>503804
gaddafi just making the west go mask-off out of nowhere was my enlightenment moment, i wonder how many other people had the same experience

 No.503816

>>503813
>Hezbollah wins a war against Israel and kicks them out of their territory
>Lenin hat: "another hole in the head of the Lebanese people"

 No.503817

Any chance these sanctions will cause Russia to go Dengist

 No.503818

>>503805
leninhat has no desire to be any sort of honourable advocate of lenin

 No.503819

>>503543
LiveJournal was the main place I followed events from russo-ukrainian conflict beginning in 2014

 No.503820

>>503810
huawei is dope and affordable so yes

 No.503821

>>503817
For sure they'll have to seek collaboration with Iran Dprk and China a lot more, lest they remain hopelessly behind in everything.

 No.503822

I feel sorry for that one drawfag Ukraianon.

 No.503823

These bastards took my consoomer electronics

 No.503824

>>503814
Only China stands out as a strong force. I hope CPC will buy property from the oligarchs and start developing Russia.

 No.503825

>>503806
>including electronics and computers
but most of those are built in china

 No.503826

>>503821
>>503817
Multipolarity/bipolarity is upon us

 No.503827

File: 1645550588915.jpg (8.6 KB, 205x246, redarmyspurdo.jpg)

>communist eurasian union soon

 No.503828

putler no nintendo no iphone 2022

 No.503829

>>503825
Not the high quality shit.
China has problems going under 28nm lithography iirc.

 No.503830

>>503815
Not too many. They did Gaddafi like that purely because Hillary wanted to. She thought it would be like a badass feather in her cap moment like when Obama got bin Laden. She's so insulated by DC nonsense that she didn't understand that Gaddafi (perpetual target of sabre rattling internally) was completely unknown to the average burger. The country was literally toppled to pad her resume to become president (which she didn't even accomplish). Just ponder that for a few minutes. The most propserous country in Africa, working on the biggest irrigation project in world history was snuffed out because of one politician's ego.

 No.503831

Damn Leninhat, you need to get laid. Touch some grass, smh.

 No.503832

File: 1645550652693.jpg (18.31 KB, 512x411, 1638003649308-0.jpg)

>>503827
let's goooooooo

 No.503833

>>503774
I can't wait for an actual war in the streets and fields of America desu. They haven't had a good one since 1865, it's about fucking time they experienced what they've been doing to other countries.

 No.503834

>>503816
He talks a lot about imperialism, yet he slanders to hell the resistance forces that kicks the imperialists balls. The guy is a threat.
>>503806
Aw more atlanticism cope.

 No.503835

>>503817
Russian oligarchy keeps communist party under their boot. Dengism cancelled.

 No.503836

>>503827
Putin is an anti-communist of the highest caliber and the CPC is revisionist at best

 No.503837

>>503835
> oligarchy keeps communist party under their boot. Dengism
Abridged it for you

 No.503838

>>503837
Sides just imploded

 No.503839

>>503827
You need to get rid of bourgeoisie dictatorship (aka Putinism) first.

 No.503840

>>503831
Leninhat after a hard days work at the communism factory: Time to talk about literally anything but Ukraine in the Ukraine thread!

 No.503841

>>503837
CPC makes porkies dissapear and reappear as they wish. Putin whores himself to oligarchs for tasteless luxury mansions.

 No.503842

bros, what happens after Putin and Xi die? They're both 70. Obv don't believe in Great Man Theory, but what if the faggy power groups win control in the ensuing entropy

 No.503843

>>503840
"If I just make one more post, the revolution will kick off. I can feel it!"

 No.503844

McFaul: "Russia has invaded!!!11!!!1! It fucking happooooned!"

 No.503845

>>503841
> Putin makes porkies dissapear and reappear as he wish.

 No.503846

>>503817
Why would they?
Like, is there any logic to your question or you just want russia go dengist for whatever reason and hoping any random event will cause that?

 No.503847

>>503842
Once Putin dies, Russia will probably fucking devour itself.

China, on the other hand, has a perfectly functioning Party and will continue on without Xi.

 No.503848

>>503842
Damn, Xi looks good for 70

 No.503849

>>503844
"Putin signed a deal referring to the People's Republics. That's what Stalin called them." Actual quote lmao. Josimir Putlin strikes again

 No.503850

>>503844
McFaul: MUST RAPE RUSSIAN CHILDREN

 No.503851

Let's recap

>NS2 on halt

>Potential devastating sanctions on tech

in exchange for

<2 shitty bombed out oblasts of Ukraine


I'm starting to believe this tactic could backfire in the long term

 No.503852

>>503851
In return for NATO never ever

 No.503853

>>503847
I hope some based KPRF higher up goes full Derg purge on the rest of them and makes the party based again when it happens.

 No.503854

>>503851
NS2 won't be halted

 No.503855

>>503854 I think it will but I welcome if not

 No.503856

>>503842
Say what you want about the PRC but the CPC does NOT rely on Xi, as good as he is, and its mechanisms of governance are strong and far reaching inside Chinese society. Worse thing that could happen is some glow attempt that's likely to be subdued either by the nationalist element or the socialist elements within the party.
Putin's is not a statesman in the same caliber as Xi and the CPC, his death will make Russia descend into turmoil where oligarchs will duke it out like warlords era China.

 No.503857

Americans really were retarded for thinking that NATO could ever be in the Ukraine. It's so unbelievably arrogant

 No.503858

thread full

make new thread and link it

 No.503859

>>503682
>nato=nazi
Let me be clear: anyone who implies NATO is not the criminal organization it is, even while being facetious, deserves a permaban

 No.503860

>>503854
If so is a win for Putin.
I don't think that will happen though.
NATO war machine is on turbo mode.

 No.503861

>>503854
Scholz already said it is.
>>503851
Russia has pondered between capitalism letting its people die or protecting its people. The second it is what they aim.

 No.503862

>>503859
Heusinger was just a whoopsiedaisy

 No.503863

>>503847
>>503856
From what I heard, Shoigu will be the chosen successor, and since he's got the army, it's pretty much game over for any civil conflict

 No.503864

>>503810
huawei has been top tier phone for years now, doofus

 No.503865

File: 1645551480872-0.png (12.25 KB, 402x124, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1645551480872-1.png (123.38 KB, 238x253, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.503866

>>503682
You forgot that communism died as we were being born

 No.503867

>>503861
John Bolton just said on MSNBC that what Scholz did is only a temporary measure

 No.503868

>>503863
> From what I heard, Shoigu will be the chosen successor
There are a lot of rumors and "inside information" about all these deep state hidden poliics, there are really no reliable sources of information on what demented bunkerman will do

 No.503869

>>503861
They aren't halting it, they're just "reassessing certification" which is what they've said for months now. Nothing has changed. The Westoid media is just spiking the football about it

 No.503870

>>503865
fug that actually is bad

 No.503871

>>503817
Russia will only become socialist if it has an internal revolution, which will not happen anytime soon.

 No.503872

imagine putin declares war on the 2022-02-22 at 22:22

 No.503873

>And Putin's conclusion that “the Leninist principles of state building turned out to be not just a mistake, it was, as they say, much worse than a mistake. After the collapse of the USSR in 1991, this became absolutely obvious, ” is also obvious as untenable and even false. Lenin's principles were tested by the Great Patriotic War, in which Putin's friends, his favorite philosopher and the striped flag fought on the other side of the front - on the side of the Nazis. This is a historical fact and the main class conclusion. Putin is trying to get away from this: “ Of course, the events of the past cannot be changed, but we must at least speak about them directly and honestly, without any reservations, and without any political overtones.” This is lovely. It's like - without political overtones? Just stupidity? The class output is Vlasov and Bandera then fought on the same side of the front! Today? It seems to be among themselves, but in reality they work together for the interests of the most powerful and reactionary capitals.

 No.503874

>>503872
trips and this happens

 No.503875

trips and i die

 No.503876

>>503871
It takes one martyr in minecraft…

 No.503877

>>503872
fuck, this reminds me that /siberia/ is locked until 6 pm EST, and I'll be working then, and won't have a chance to get the 222222

 No.503878

>>503876
anarchist nonsense

 No.503879

>>503877
why is it locked

 No.503880

Russell Bentley live on Grayzone stream right now

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9Mfv2M9q8vc

 No.503881

Does halting NS2 even hurt Russia that much? Didn't they just agree to a massive fuckoff pipeline with China

 No.503882

>>503813
Working class revolutionary communism must always stand independently of religious reactionaries.

 No.503883

File: 1645551945024.jpg (40.57 KB, 493x493, dfwtiger.jpg)

>>503880
>Russell Bentley live on Grayzone

 No.503884

>>503867
Pf, if it were for Bolton NATO should invade the world that doesn't agree with the U.S. lmao, including Russia.

 No.503885

File: 1645551959405.jpg (24.78 KB, 358x312, 1412620011304.jpg)


 No.503886

>>503881
listen to the war nerd. Yes but itll be finished around 2030. Then Europe is fucked

 No.503887

>>503873
Russia and Ukraine and NATO all fight for capitalist oligarchies. They're all bad people and governments, no one here seems to dispute that. But NATO losing is still a net-positive development. I'm not sure I can say it more clearly

 No.503888

>>503868
What's the story behind "demented bunkerman"?

 No.503889

>>503880
> Grayzone
Are you serious?

 No.503890

>>503872
2based2be2rue

 No.503891

>>503884
He deeply wants the pipeline to be killed, he would actually know about this, yes he's a freak
>>503882
Where was working class communism in 2006? Should Hezbollah have ceded that territory to Israel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

 No.503892

HELLO LEFTY/POL/, MY NAME IS IMPERFECT PUTIN, THE MOST IMPRESSIVE CREATION OF SOVIET SCIENCE!. MY FATHER, DR. STALIN TOLD ME IF I ABSORB THE SEPARATIST REGIONS LUHANSK AND DONETSK I WILL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE MY PERFECT FORM AND BECOME UNSTOPPABLE IN MY QUEST TO DESTROY THE UNITED STATES AND AVENGE THE SOVIET EMPIRE

 No.503893

>>503889
Nothing wrong with them when they aren't talking about covid

 No.503894

>>503893
Do you read Strategic Culture Foundation too?

 No.503895


 No.503896

>west won't even sanction Putin
kwab

 No.503897


 No.503898

>>503896
What will personal sanctions on Putin achieve except for PR effect? He doesn't have any known personal property and accounts in the West

 No.503899

>>503880
now hosted on cytube
Russell Bentley live on Grayzone
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast

 No.503900

>>503364
For you

 No.503901


 No.503902

>>503901
just figured I could use some help to sleep

 No.503903

>>503898
Haven you heard. Every Russian oligarch is just a proxy for managing and hiding Putin's money.

 No.503904

>>503903
the other way around its quite true!

 No.503905

>>503898
However Putins minions western assets are well documented and that will hurt their big egos and spoiled children a lot.

> What do you mean we can't go to our mansion in Spain this easter dad? You telling us we have to gotto Sochi?


This coupled with average Russians getting poorer surely to have an impact

 No.503906

>>503848
Nah it's just crackers that age like shit

 No.503907

>>503891
The proletariat had no stake in that fight. The tasks for middle Eastern communists are toppling the bourgeoisie, Zionist colonialism, jihadis and Turkish imperialism.

 No.503908

>>503905
And what does it have with personal sanctions on pootler?

 No.503909

>>503878
Anything is better than Putin and chaos gives opportunities. The goal should always be to support the local Communist Party.

 No.503910

>>503907
>Israeli blockade of Lebanon doesn't impact proles

 No.503911

File: 1645553008528.png (67.87 KB, 190x300, ClipboardImage.png)

>>503906
Not even getting into the haircut

 No.503912

>>503911
this isn't even because of aging, its because he was half-alive (and even that seems generous) when this photo was taken. corpses never look great

 No.503913

File: 1645553194511.png (376.52 KB, 1885x891, ClipboardImage.png)

woah, ive never seen a video or livestream on youtube that didn't have video recommendations on the side? is this common?

 No.503914

>>503910
It was a war between Zionists and islamists, the proletariat was cannon fodder.

 No.503915

>>503907
STFU pseud. That's defeatism that Lenin threw into the trash can.
Hezbollah the fighters are not only popular and interconnected with the working class (who else but workers made the rockets that wrecked zionist's skie, the tunnels that interconnected areas of occupied Palestine, and more recently), the zionist state of Israel has used all his PR to satanize them and sabotage the socialist takes they have. You pathetic krautkyism can't understand they managed to Islamize Marxism up to some point, as Mao sinicized Marx. And any revolutionary man should be proud of this processes.
You couldn't anglonize Marx even if you were given half a millenia of life to do it, because you are:
Class traitor, chauvinistic, imperialist, and pseud poser.

 No.503916


 No.503917

>>503914
I know you refuse all nuance, but Lebanon not turning into Palestine is actually a good thing

 No.503918

>>503913
When is this starting?

 No.503919

Is it the same leninhat who supported deportations of tatars?

 No.503920

File: 1645553520072.jpg (60.67 KB, 1024x1015, 1645444977214m.jpg)

Is it too much to ask a neutral/anti-war stance from communists when rightoid factions are going to war?

 No.503921

>>503892
>red ribbon army
>RED
Holy fuck how did I not catch this before

 No.503922

File: 1645553610277.png (391.26 KB, 1361x2486, oolong.png)

>>503921
let's not forget the most leftypol dragonball character of all time

 No.503923

>>503873
It's just a juvenile position of russian capitalists who blame USSR for not providing those capitalists with a bigger empire - after those same capitalists were the reason Soviet sphere of influence was lost to begin with, their rampant privatization drive caused this.

 No.503924

>>503914
You're honestly fascinating, you have the exact politics of a stalinist's caricature of trots/leftcom ultras but fervently consider yourself a stalinist.

Its like you got the manual for being a vulgar ML but were too stupid to not confuse what your 'enemies' politics were supposed to be and what yours were.

 No.503925

FUCK NORDSTREAM, gas is overrated. Cold showers and just get induction plates. Wim Hof gang unite against Russian Imperialism

 No.503926

>>503924
Have you considered the possiblity that caricature depicts reality very closely?

 No.503927

>>503920
of course not but it's kind of an irrelevant position, unfortunately

 No.503928

>>503920
Would you have "supported" D-day against the nazis?

 No.503929


 No.503930

no matter what invasion scenario takes place, everyone should remember that beyond the frames of all academic theories, realism, liberalism etc. or any given analyses, what is happening is that a great power of 142 million with one of the largest economies in the world and the second or third most powerful military is terrorizing and invading a nation of 44 million, the poorest country in europe. the human tragedy has been immense, and will be immense. one can talk about nato expansion, but putin has real agency and he is calling all the shots now

 No.503931

File: 1645554418748.jpg (25.19 KB, 400x262, E9-HFSFXMAIKFvJ.jpg)

>>503928
Absolutely not. Also Stalin was clearly an imperialist agent working for British bankers to prevent Nazi-German struggle for national self determination.

 No.503932

>>503930
Topkek. So the Russian speakers being oppressed by Nazis doesnt matter

 No.503933

>>503932
Imaginary conflicts really don't matter to be honest

 No.503934

File: 1645554646455.png (20.28 KB, 607x133, image.png)


 No.503935

>>503934
There is nothing of interest

 No.503936

>>503930
>terrorizing
Top lol. MSNBC reporter just admitted that Ukrainians didn't believe any Western propaganda about WW3

 No.503937

>>503892
someone screencap. I'm no good at it


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