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>>744873
Bravo leftcom, another incredible post.

>>505793
its a poltard that has been making the same posts for over a week if you couldnt realize

>>744873
based leftcom has wordfilter evading wizardry

>>505792
> Btw this also applies to China.
China is not ruled by a capitalist class. The capitalists are under the foot of the Central Government and the CPC.

>>505796
ok dengbat

>>505797
You know I’m right.

>>744873
kys uighur

>>505800
Death to all Teutons and all the Teuton-adjacents

>>505800
WTF is Yazov Battalion?

>>505802
le. he doesnt know

https://youtu.be/4l1LzDqwfgs
Appropriate for leftypol

>>505804
Indeed Tovarisch, we will reclaim The Ukraine from the American-Teuton invaders.

>>505802
It's it's from my hearts of Iron 4 mod called New Order last days of Europe also known as TNO
https://the-new-order-last-days-of-europe.fandom.com/wiki/Omsk


Also Yazov is a real person still alive he was a general in the Soviet red army during WWII and was famous for a lot of successful operations.


What is TNO about realistic WWII axis victory with semi realistic story
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2438003901




>>505800

Yes anon the great trial shall commence long-lived Komrade yazov

>>505808
Cool. Thanks

>>505807
Yazov was based IRL too, he tried to salvage Afghanistan and arrested Gorbachev.

>>505811
I would agree don't forget his contribution in the great patriotic War

Anti-Putinists GTFO

>>505813
I can understand defending deng

but this is levels of revisionism that i didnt think was possible

>>505810
The reason why I say realistic WWII axis victory is because unlike most World War II alternative histories were the aixis wins it's because petty sensible because the only reason why the Axis wins is because Stalin is never in charge of the Soviet Union. No nuking Washington required

>>505814
>what's shitposting
Also, I never talked about Deng ITT.

>>505816
i wasnt clear what i meant to say that i understand people defending deng

but defending putin is a level of revisionism that is beyond me

also i was being ironic to your ironic shitposting

We Ukraine will destroy Putin Judeo-Bolshevik,
Untermensch tatar's and Tuvans should fear their Aryan Ubermensch masters.
We are hyperboreans on the black sea.
Black Sun over the black sea

All Russian 50c in here pretending Russia stronger then it is.
HHAHAHAHAHA
HA

>>505815
i mean fair enough but with the release of thousand week reich

tno kinda looks silly in comparision

>>505818
>Untermensch
To nazis all Slavic were untermensch. If you are Slavic you are a race traitor.

>>505792
>Russia has tried to join NATO, twice. No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
I think the weapons capitalists want Russia as an enemy to Nato because otherwise there would be no reason to invest so much money into armament. Maybe they even would see Russian weapons companies are competitors.
>This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia.
That's true
>The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Territory size is not very relevant.
>Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change
that is debatable
>It's the literal counterpart of the US
No it's not, Russia and the US are different in more ways than they are similar.
>Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
What are your arguments for this, usually people like that have believes that are beneficial for them to have to some degree, but are not actually true.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader
So what you are saying is that Russia is anti-imperialist,
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive.
Who will get more aggressive ?
Why does Russia and US power have to be mutually exclusive ?
>Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3
How ? Russia has been putting out the fires that the US has been kindling
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
what a mess:
<imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit
No that's to vague, imperialism is done by the most chauvinistic part of big bourgeois finance capital
<read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism.
You mean imperialism the highest state of capitalism ?
<Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized,
this contradicts your previous statement that capitalist country entails automatic imperialism
>and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
They are imperialized tho, the US is hitting them with economic sanctions and is trying to make Ukraine into a military beachhead to destroy Russia, by your own admission.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.
>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union
That's irrelevant for what is happening in the Ukraine now
If the USSR had still existed Russian tanks would have rolled into Kiev in 2014.
It shouldn't have been possible to kill AES, 1989 should have been a footnote in history as a counter revolution that failed. And Putin clearly does not do the 1990s neoliberal capitalism there is more state-control than in the 90s especially over resource extraction. The US is throwing a big temper tantrum because they want to go back to the 90s

>Btw this also applies to China.
You made a thread about Ukraine but you also want to have it derailed.
Oh well China is a country that is building socialism.

>>505821
I just copy and pasted the OP from the previous thread and the one before that

>>505818
>>505819
Not as silly as Man in the high castle
That shit is Retarded especially because the Germans and Japanese both use some kind of Soviet cold war weaponry even tho they defeated the Soviet Union.

>>505824
yeah i agree especially with the multi dimensional shit

but at least its not retarded as wolfenstein

>>505825
though wolfenstein is silly on purpose

>>505818
Remember who kicked your ass
You know they can do it again right

>>505825
There is something worse than Wolfenstein
But this time it is set in a post WWII setting with something about the moon

>>505815
>Stalin is never in charge of the Soviet Union

So no officer purge happens. They actually listen to Richard Sorge who says the exact date of the German invasion. Nobody would be shut in their Dacha for weeks while the Germans were taking Minsk and destroying 5 soviet armies.

>>505830
>They actually listen to Richard Sorge
lmao nice meme. Sorge had predicted numerous invasions that didn't come to pass.

>>505831
Which ones?

>>505818
Vsevolod Ivanov, how could Soviet writer drawing that Hyperborean shit & we wuz kangz kingz kongz?

>>505832
What I mean is you are complaining about them ignoring Sorge the last time when he was right when they ignored him numerous times when he was wrong. There were numerous spies constantly saying that the invasion was imminent for years, and Sorge's one time is somehow regarded as a huge failure in the Soviets. I'm talking specifically about the German invasion of the USSR, Barbarossa.

>>505829
dear lord this i remember this hellhole

>>505834
When was he wrong?

>>505835
I'm glad that didn't get a hearts of Iron 4 mod

Nothing's happening

>>505830
If no officer purge happenes USSR falls like France.

>>505839
Oh really?

>>505840
Yes. If France had a serious government they'd purge their officers and the fresh batch would not lose france in 40-something days. Funfact, the Pavlov house held out for 60 days - longer than France and the Benelux combined.

>>505839
This, the Trotskyite 5th column, had it not been purged, would have handed the USSR to Germany on a platter, leading to the genocide of hundreds of millions, all to fulfill the nihilistic ambitions of Trotsky's masters. Had Stalin not done what he had to do, the Slavic race would not exist at all.

Russia will recognize DNR today

>>505842
> all to fulfill the nihilistic ambitions of Trotsky's masters
???

>>505843
proofs?

>>505841
source: trust me bro

>>505844
The ruling class of Britain hated Russia for opposing the central banking apparatus and its proxy of the British Empire. They wanted to destroy Russia and her people out of petty hatred, because if a nation couldn't be under their control then nobody should have it according to them. Thankfully, Russia still stands strong today, even if the Soviet Union is temporarily gone.

>>505846
Just read the wikipedia entry or something tovarsih. USSR purged officers who were against motorization and tank-ization of the Red army. Some were vehemently opposed to this and wanted to preserve cavalry and shit. Luckily, they were removed and T-34 started going into production.

France hadn't made the same effort to motorize its military and … well the result is well known.

>>505847
schizo

……….

>>505848
>>505846
Unfortunately, the mass purge only happened AFTER liberation:

The épuration légale (French "legal purge") was the wave of official trials that followed the Liberation of France and the fall of the Vichy Regime. The trials were largely conducted from 1944 to 1949, with subsequent legal action continuing for decades afterward.

>>505849
Stay mad Trotskyite

Zelensky asks Biden to visit Ukraine

https://www.rt.com/news/549249-invitation-kiev-biden-visit/

>>505850
this is a very boring video tovarsih, why did you post such crap?

‘We don’t give a s**t about sanctions’ – Russia
https://www.rt.com/russia/549220-russian-western-sanctions-rebuke/

The Economist/YouGov survey showed that only 13% of US adults believe it would be a “good idea” to deploy troops to fight Russians in Ukraine. In fact, support for a combat mission on Moscow’s doorstep is so low that more Americans (17%) favor withdrawing from NATO than tangling with Russia’s military. The poll found that 55% of Americans believe sending combat troops to Ukraine would be a “bad idea,” while 33% are unsure.


https://www.rt.com/russia/549243-americans-oppose-sending-troops-to-ukraine/

>>505847
>They wanted to destroy Russia and her people out of petty hatred,
Classes do things for economic, not emotional reasons

>because if a nation couldn't be under their control then nobody should have it according to them.
What are they, a bond villain?

>Thankfully, Russia still stands strong today, even if the Soviet Union is temporarily gone.
And here you're making it sound like some sort of race/nationalist war instead of an economic conflict.

And none of this shit has anything to do with Trotsky.

>>505852
You're a schizo, a LARPer, and and imbecile.

>>505848
> USSR purged officers who were against motorization and tank-ization of the Red army.

Proofs?

> Some were vehemently opposed to this and wanted to preserve cavalry and shit.

What like Budyonny and the First Cavalry army that was pretty much the only unit spared from the purge?

Too bad all them new officers got encircled captured or killed by the Germans in the first few weeks of the invasion. Others got purged for failing to halt the invasion. Had to pull dudes like Rokossovsky out of prison.

>>505858
David Glantz.

>>505842
>Sleeps
>Wakes up
<Still nothing happened
Told ya, idiots…

>>505857
It has everything to do with Trotsky. It is a well documented fact that Trotsky was captured by the British in 1917, prior to the October Revolution, wherein Trotsky became their agent for Russia and socialism's destruction in return for the Red Shields providing him with some of the spoils to allow him a comfy retirement once it was all over. The Red Shields, of course, have been de facto in control of Britain since 1815, so British influence was an extension of their own influence, and since they couldn't subjugate Russia under it they figured it would be better to have it destroyed. That agent came to them in the form of the Nazis, and Trotsky and his minions were only too happy to help, some out of genuine belief that Russians should be destroyed, some out of pettiness, and Trotsky just due to pure greed. The fact of the matter is that he was willing to sell out socialism and his country the first chance he got, and he is hopefully burning in the deepest pits of hell as a result.

You're free to whine and cry and claim that my observation of the bourgeoisie "isn't dialectical" because I actually recognize the depth of their evil and what they're willing to do to achieve domination, but dont expect anybody to take you seriously now or in the future.

>>505859
>David Glantz.

I googles David Glantz + Red Army purge. I get result that purge was le bad.

>>505860
Was not meant to tag any post, oops.

>Fire at Kyiv Gymnasium of Oriental Languages. Lvivska Street 25 Kyiv
I wonder who did this…

>>505861
LaRouche, is that you?

>>505836
A bunch of times. He predicted Germany would attack in May, then that it would attack only once Britain surrendered, then that he wasn't sure if it'd even happen.

https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1492995506829729794

Ukraine's ambassador to the UK Vadym Prystaiko has told @StephenNolan his country might agree not to join @NATO if it would avert war with Russia.

Anyone who thinks that NATO will fight a hot war with Russia over Ukraine and over a pipeline that Germany wants/needs is retarded
>>505792
Stop reposting the same thing in every OP, it's not even good

>>505869
This is not just about the pipeline just like WW! wasn't about the assassination of one Arch Duke

>>505868

There was more context to this. See here

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1493051115189030912?s=20&t=MOsGoAteI8ctNjuu9JWOnw

>>505865
LaRouche was unironically correct on most of his shit tbh

>>505868
Literally nobody cares about Ukraine joining NATO except the US, it's pathetic. It wouldn't happen any time soon and a guarantee would end this whole thing, but no, the US will cling to this possibility for as long as they can.

>>505870
Yeah it's mostly over NATO expansion which wouldn't be happening soon anyways

>>505873
>Literally nobody cares about Ukraine joining NATO except the US

Russia is completely against Ukraine joining NATO and has made that clear for many years. You don't pay attention at all

>>505873
If the US wanted to defend Ukraine it would ally Ukraine by signing an "alliance" like it did with South Korea and Japan. They want to use Ukraine as a disposable torpedo

>>505865
probably one of haz's cultists

>>505875
*in the west, which apparently wasn't obvious
>>505876
They do not necessarily care about its defense, they care about being able to put troops there in the future to threaten and maybe even balkanize russia. Russia would probably just invade if they did that too

Seriously, burgerstan has shit like Saudi Arabia Taiwan and South Korea designated as MNNA's all have some territorial dispute problems with democracy associated with them etc but it won't ally Ukraine?

>>505879
Why be rebellious and violent when you could just he quiet
>Muh eu
What about it?

>>505880
What are you even saying?

That commenter was referring to this list

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

>>505879
That would put the US at risk of a real war against a real army. The US is okay with drone striking farmers but does not want WW3. Russia has much more skin in this game than the US does. I think they see NATO as an existential threat

>>505882
Bu-but it has Taiwan as an ally. They have the balls there. And South Korea.

Regarding NATO Burgerstan is very cynical they know that you need unanimous support from all member states to get into NATO and no territorial disputes. Which is why it will never happen for Ukraine. They also don't want to make it a non-NATO ally.

>>505883
Modern Russia is much more likely to fight than modern DPRK or China. Also iirc both Taiwan and South Korean support began during or immediately after wars. Ukraine is also a corrupt shithole with a poorly functioning democracy. This plus territorial dispute plus threat of larger war means they will nit join NATO for a very long time. Which is why it's funny and kind of sad that US won't guarantee it in writing to Russia

>>505884
Imagine if the US was forced to guarantee in writing that Ukraine can't join NATO. They would look like an embarrassing group of cucks in front of the entire world. Russia would be given a clear and unambiguous win in terms of prestige and geopolitics. They likely assured Russia behind the scenes that it won't join anything but it's not good enough.

I feel bad for Ukraine. The majority of the civilian population that is. They are being used and abused by both the West and Russia.

Putin knows that Ukraine won't be joining NATO at least while Russia remains powerful enough. Ukraine wouldn't have been joining NATO or the EU in 2014 and after that either if Russia just did nothing and didn't annex Crimea.

>>505800
With the last supply chain update they made Omsk practically invincible.
Paradox fucked TNO up lol.

>>505868
Reminder that Ukraine has 5 billion dollars yearly trade with Russia. (Which is to say 3% of their whole GDP).
Its only Nazi glowing retards propped by the Us (and having inordinate amounts of power) that want war.

I wonder if this is why Zelenskiy is desperately manoeuvering to stop the escalation.

Ukrainian nazis are preparing to invade russia. How can we protect poor innocent russia, bros?

>>505885
They are an embarrassing group of cucks and they will fall and Germany will eventually join the CTSO or SCO or something

>>505887
All this fucking clown bullshit and on top of it, Ukraine has a literal comedian as president.

Every day we are a step closer to fully comedic tragic helish clown world.

>>505891
do they explain how the conflict would expand to include iran, israel, china, japan, and australia?

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/14/ukr--f14.html
Quite a good analysis not just good for trots but just plain objectively good
Only one quibble s/must/will in the last paragraph to improve its accuracy

>>505891
Quite a reasonable position aside from the "WW3 ESCALATION IT'S HAPPENING" part.

>>745273
> Belgorod
The 100k troops poised to attack Ukraine are in the North in Belarus

Bolsonaro is going to create world peace


We got too cocky Lula bros….

https://twitter.com/ElenaChernenko/status/1493141363231232006?s=20&t=2lCx46BB6E_055aGGkmqUA

>>505891
>It must be stressed that opposition to Putin does not involve aligning with imperialism.
>Pseudo-left denunciations of Russian and Chinese “imperialism” have no relation to the historical development of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.
rare based trot moment

Fuck I'm getting bad vibes Brandon is old and senile and said he won't do anything militarily to stop Putin. Putin doesn't give a fuck about SWIFT or sanctions or the retarded pipeline and other such shit.

If Ukraine gets blown into blown to smithereens hypothetically. Then Biden for one, isn't getting re-elected.

>>505901
I'm not sure: I'd vote for someone who purposefully let Ukraine being blown to smitheerens.

>>505901
Implying they're not going to cart him off to a nursing home and make Camela the president, then pat themselves on the back for the first female president. And then she'll hold a conference and challenge Putin to negotiate and be all "girl boss" about it.

>>505904
At least one russian is going to get lynched in the ukraine before this is over

Reporting results of the fizzle sizzle game in the earlier Thread:

/Fizzlegang/-> 4 people
/Sizzlegang/-> 4 people

It's a tie bros.

>>505906
/thizzlegang/ makes a surprise last minute appearance

>>745307
Russia is an empire that extracts super profits from colonial exploitation for its finance capital class though, and that's a driver of this current conflict, it's not because the tsar or putin talk about panslavism that Russia becomes a magical homogeneous place where everyone is happy.

>>745325
>Also that Russia can destroy the usa in 1 hour
Any nuclear power can do that. Of course, the reverse is also true.

>>505909
What about Ukraine plans to put Russians in camps and gas them

>>745325
protecting ethnic russians in ukraine is the only pretext i can imagine russia using for war

>>745325
> We will not start the war
> we will end it
Ummm bros?

>>745356
What a cuck. I expected more fighting spirit from the Anglo.

We don't want to fight but by Jingo if we do,
We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too.

Britain has become a weak and effeminate nation.

>Russian Duma members refer to Putin the draft resolution recognizing the "independence" of occupied parts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine
Guys this is important.

>>505914
nothingburger

Is it possible for this guy to have a redemption arc?

What if the west is using the Ukraine crisis to (in their mind) defeat and force open Russia for globalized agriculture in the 2+ degree warming future where Russia stands to massively gain in agricultural production and much of the west stands to lose?? It's obvious porkies are looking into medium to long term mitigations for climate change.

Ukraine minister of defense spoke to Belarus minister of defense today

https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1493195179741827075?s=20&t=Op482I836KGPxem3ax4hwg

>>745325
I can fix her

Ukraine is giving signals its ready for a diplomatic solution. This crisis is basically about Crimea and Donbass + massing of troops operations are smokescreens for this.

KAUNAS AIRPORT, Lithuania, Feb 14 (Reuters) - A German military aircraft carrying troop reinforcements landed in Lithuania on Monday, the first of several planned NATO deployments amid fears in the region about a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine. read more

The A400M airplane carried around 70 soldiers of what is expected to grow to a 360-strong German deployment, which comes on top of existing NATO forces in the region, a spokesperson for the alliance's enhanced forward presence battlegroup said.

The new deployments include reconnaissance and artillery troops and medics from units throughout Germany, as well as around 100 howitzer and other vehicles, with arrivals expected to continue throughout this week

"It's a strong signal that Germany is willing and capable of reinforcing the battlegroup immediately as needed," Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Andrae, German commander of the NATO troops in Lithuania, told reporters.

"I am really happy to have the guys with me, and be ready for everything which (could) come up," Andrae added. The added soldiers will stay as long as they are needed, he said.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz was due to arrive in Kyiv on Monday to meet Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in a bid to show solidarity and help avert war. On Tuesday, Scholz will fly to Moscow to see Russian President Vladimir Putin. read more

Since 2017, NATO has deployed battlegroups in Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia as well as Poland, all sharing borders with Russia, in response to Moscow annexing the Crimea peninsula from Ukraine in 2014.

Totalling 5,000 soldiers, the battlegroups are led by Germany, Canada, Britain and the United States.

Britain is also preparing to reinforce the British-led NATO battlegroup in Estonia, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said last week. read more

German soldiers comprise about half of the 1,100-strong battlegroup already present in Lithuania, which includes troops from Belgium, the Czech Republic, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Norway.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-troops-arrive-reinforce-baltics-amid-tensions-over-ukraine-2022-02-14/?taid=620a48f79e8a830001d4ba87&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

>>505916
He's mostly a crank with no ideology besides vague ass populism.
Useless for socialism, useful for some memes.

Update on Russia bill put forward by Russian communist party

This is a western abc reporter btw

https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1493196922269618186?s=20&t=t5xuSOsf14Vp8isjWOL_MA

Wew lads

An American ranger (American special forces) who says did 2 tours in Afghanistan has arrived to help ukraine military

https://twitter.com/ronzheimer/status/1493202761047056385?s=20&t=-MGuJHy-G5h_ULI2qzZ1aA

>>505925
He says he is from south carolina and expects to say in Ukraine for 1 year

Zhirinovsky has severe brain damage. (diagnosed)

>>745307
She's right, but she's a hack, and if Trump was doing it, it would be fucking hilarious to see her contradicting this statement.

>>505928
>She's right

She's not. Russia has 100k troops miles from Ukraine. That is non existent in her example of Canada

>>505916
That sectarian ass-hat? Well, perhaps if gets serious some day.

>>745440
Maybe he ate a pierogi with extra onions that day.

>>505929
Well, I am not going to defend her.

Ok, so supposedly, Russia has put all of it's armored brigades in maximum alert. The russian intelligence has some intel, I think, that ultra-rightwing militias used by Ukraine, alongside polish mercenaries/ultra-rightwingers in order to put in motion the double false flag by the US.
Heard this on the tv program "Al Rojo Vivo" meanwhile I was eating with my family.
Dunno if it's true, if it is, we will see more news about this in the next hours.

>>745440
Covid, have you heard about it?

>>505847
Based Larouchite

>>505872
^ This

>>505934
Chinese have balls of steel

Where is the happening

>>505939
in your mom

>>505924
Putin confirmed cuck.
KPRF with a rare W outing him for once.

>>505924
>>505941
I've been thinking. A defeat on the international stage often results in political change on the losing side.
If the US is humiliated on the world stage, the only political group which could take advantage of this domestically is the republicans and the far right, as the american left is useless and to a big part fused with the Bidenist.
In Russia on the other hand, if Putin is discredited and his ability to protect the People is put in doubt, the faction best situated to attempt a takeover would be the KPRF.
Could a W for the US unironically be more advantageous? Or would the US just intervene and set up some neolib stooge like navalny?

>>505943
> US just intervene and set up some neolib stooge like navalny
Why would you ever expect a different outcome?

>>505942
I just don't believe that one. Why would they give you your shit back? Are they asking for a sample only to embarass you? They aren't even testing it? Kinda hilarious either way.

>>505925
one hopes he will return in a comfy little box
>>505908
true - as a marxist i detest the russian state and would not support it in any scenario (not that it would matter), but as someone from a country ass-raped by yankee corps, i can only hope putin presses the big red button

>>505943
The kprf is communist in name only

>>505946
Lol

>RUSSIA WILL INVADE UKRAINE IN 2 DAYS
Four days later
<Nothing happens

Sources
<CIA

>>505938
Holy fuck, I'm so ready for the Chinese century. Could they be more Chad?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S HAPPENING AAAAAAAAAA

>>505952
Lwow confirmed exile rump capital

>>505953
Ukraine will be invaded within 5 minutes. In 5 minutes Putin will rush to Kiev and Nato will become history

>>505938
This means it's not happening

When it's all said and done, how is Putin's legacy going to compare to previous Russian leaders, especially funny mustache man.

IT'S HABBENNINN!!

>>505962
In Russia or in the West?

>>505952
If he was based he would've seized their assets.

>>505964
In Russia of course. In the West the libs will just screech and call him HITLER TWOOOOOO.

>>505962
He made himself quite politically indispensable and central to political life there so when he dies and Russia crashes and burn people will speak of him like mustache man, like either he was the one who fucked it up or he was perfect and it was his successors who really were bad

>>505972
>could
That's undoubtedly true.

So whats the leftypol consensus after so many threads?

>>505974
Nothingburger of the fizzling kind

>>505974
8 full threads so it's obviously happening

>>505977
The first, second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth threads were about discussing if Russia could be imperialist.

>>505978
What's the consensus on that?

>>505978
well, is it?

>>505979
The concensus was that Russia was imperialist but regardless it should be the one to be supported instead of the puppet state called Ukraine and it's puppeteers (The US).

>>505979
It obviously is, and it's worse than US imperialism, thus we should do harm reduction and support the defensive alliance that is NATO

>>505979
I think Russia is basically an unsuccessfully imperialist country. All semi peripheral countries would probably like to become core imperialist countries. Can they do that? Probably not, which is why I prefer them to 'win'

>>505979
Who cares. Communists should not support either party, with the sole exception being to pragmatically further revolutionary activities.

>>505979
The screechers just kinda stopped posting and things got comfier. I don't mind such debates though, it comes with the territory like how 4/pol/ is constantly fighting over if Slavs are actually white or not.

>>505985
>if Slavs are actually white or not
As a Slav I don't consider myself white and I'm proud of it.

>>505986
it's ok to be white, boris

>>505971
Keep crying cashlet your shift almost over soon

>>505924
Post yesterday said he wants independent Donetsk to stay part of Ukraine. Speculation said that with independent region loyal to him he gets veto power in Ukraine legislature so they can never join NATO.

>>505971
Until they get out of line.

Nothing is going to happen.

>>505934
>The russian intelligence has some intel, I think, that ultra-rightwing militias used by Ukraine, alongside polish mercenaries/ultra-rightwingers in order to put in motion the double false flag by the US.

as soon as they opened polish border for ukr to "escape" i thought so too

>>505982
Adam Something literally argued in support of this.

>>505952
this guy is going to get gaddafi'd if he keeps playing both sides. is he not aware his country was couped what 3 - 4 times in the last decade?

>>505900
>Brandon is old and senile and said he won't do anything militarily to stop Putin.

bay of pigs

>>505996
>Ask your readers, your audiences and the users of online resources
Putin binge browses comment sections confirmed.

>>505821
>I think the weapons capitalists want Russia as an enemy to Nato because otherwise there would be no reason to invest so much money into armament. Maybe they even would see Russian weapons companies are competitors.
The military-industrial complex is already selling overpriced crap to the US on the daily. Meanwhile that might be true, you also have to have in mind that every capitalist always wants more money, and the best way to get more money is to invest it in places were the return of investment (low-developed countries with low investment costs, to put an example land buying in India is cheaper than in the UK. or the wages are lower in India, so on and so forth) is always higher than in developed countries. Russia has terrain (which will have a lot of unearthed materials) in spades, but it isn't open to NATO, but to the local bourgeoisie. Thus, it is an interest of every bourg fuck in the US or the UK to be in favour of making Russia a country, like, let's say Brazil.

>What are your arguments for this, usually people like that have believes that are beneficial for them to have to some degree, but are not actually true.
The Rimland vs Heartland theory remarks that, in this planet earth, the land can be divided between that of "Rimland" (or land near the shore) and Heartland (land really far away from the shore). The theory comes that the Heartland will always dominate the Rimland because of it being plains and thus, easy to travel and for a solitary goverment to rule (e.i the Mongol Empire or Russia). To put an example is pretty much the nomadic tribes, which went and conquered time and time again it's neighbours, be it Turks, Mongols, Hungarians, Avars, Huns, Manchu…
Supposedly, all of this changed during the age of exploration (as in, the 1600's or so) as naval travel made it so naval powers could conquer and communicate it's lands a lot more easily, thus the dominance of European powers.
Of course, all of this was supposed to change thanks to one key invention, the train (or motorized vehicles as well), as they would help the heartland become a lot more cohesive than the naval empires of the time. To this, add that the supposed heartland will get more heat thanks to climate change, thus making frozen places in siberia a lot more hospitable to human life.
This thought process has been in the minds of the anglos since probably before WW1, and have never let them out. And in fact such theory was proven right in WW2, as trains were one of the main reasons (alongside industrialization) that made it so the Soviet Union could defeat Nazi Germany swiftly after some years of hiccups. Why didn't the anglos fight alongside the germans against the russian menace? Cause at that time Germany was a bigger threat alongside that the Soviet Union wasn't even developed properly.
Is this theory true? I don't know, to me it sounds somewhat retarded, but it is inside of the anglo mindset. Thus, the best way to defeat such fears of Russia becoming a complete behemoth is to cut it short, and thus this aggresive rethoric against Russia (which against the Soviet Union it was also this + Anticommunism). The objective is to balkanize Russia, to make Russia into 5 or more states in which anglo puppets rule the populace.
Also, important to note that Russia has also like 1800 nukes, and so many nukes are really scary to… everyone really (the same reason why the US is somewhat feared). Russia (and the US as well, for that matter) has the capacity, alone, of destroying civilization as we know it.

>Territory size is not very relevant.
It IS relevant, that much territory is dominated by Russia and that much territory entails primary resources to be had by the Russians, instead of the US.
>that is debatable (that Russia will get benefit from climate change)
Somewhat true, we have to see what will happen in like, 10 years in order to assess if it was a net positive or if Russia is fucked like everyone else. In terms of water increase Russia wouldn't be that perjudicated, but pretty much every country wouldn't be, because climante change doesn't entail the full destruction of the poles. Sea levels will rise, as much, maybe 10 meters, and that isn't that much unless you're the Netherlands (btw fuck the netherlands, all of my homies hate the netherlands).

>No it's not, Russia and the US are different in more ways than they are similar (thus it can't be said that Russia is the counterpart of the US).
In terms of owning a lot of land, a lot of it being plains that are somewhat not colonized fully, and being colonizing states, it can be said that Russia is the counterpart of the US in it's geography, even if it's somewhat cherrypicked.

>(Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader) So what you are saying is that Russia is anti-imperialist,
<Doesn't know what imperialism is
You can be both imperialist and be defending yourself against an outside invader who wants to tear you to pieces, capitalist countries can only be anti-other_people's_imperialisms. The only countries that can deem themselves as truly anti-imperialist are communist ones, as those don't have the motive to be imperialist (which is to profit from the return of investment of other country, exploiting it's resources and taking away its natural wealth).
To put an example of this it would be the Ottoman Empire during WW1, the Ottoman empire (which got into WW1 out of their own volition, but whatever) was an imperialist force who had a lot to gain from the central powers winning, but it was also fighting in order to not become another cake for the allied forces to take, which did happen. Turkey right after WW1 was literally strip of it's imperial possesions (that being Armenia, Syria, Palestine, Iraq…) and was literally partitiones between France, Britain, and Greece (this is, the anatolian peninsula).

>Who will get more aggressive (the US or Russia)?
Both, probably. Both Russia and China have been stealthy on their approach to imperialism, using force when legitimately necessary, meanwhile the US is imperializing everything they can see that isn't on their sphere of influence: Iraq, Libia, Yugoslavia, Syria, the Sahel.
If Russia gets more power, that means that it has a fighting chance against the US, which will make Russia more active in their geopolitical game, as it will see the US weakened. And for the US, well, the most agressive animal is the one that's wounded, as they say.

>Why does Russia and US power have to be mutually exclusive ?
Capitalism can only have one winner. Either you get more money than the rival and make them bankrupt or you bankrupt with your rival taking up what you left. That's why there where 2 world wars, the first one in which Germany saw the writing on the wall that if you don't have anough territories your rivals will get cheaper products and thus outperform you in the global market, and the second one as Germany, in a desperate bet against time, goes all out to see if it has a chance. This resulted in the destruction of Germany, twice. Capitalist powers, and enterprises, are mutually exclusive because one is taking the benefits the other could have.
It's a literal battle royale for the market cap.

>How ? Russia has been putting out the fires that the US has been kindling
That's literally the contrary. To put an example, in Syria, Russia helped it's syrian ally against the imperialist try to take over the country with a colour revolution: This what means? Russia is directly combating US imperialism In order to ensure that Syria it's in it's sphere of influence, and thus having it both as an ally and as a trading partner and maybe get a lot of returnal of investment once the war's over. Russia isn't doing this from the good of it's heart, but that doesn't mean that what Russia is doing is MILES better than what the US has done.
I mean, I'm sorry to say this, but this argument is retarded. In this case, the US is a pyromaniac that wants to burn some forests, and Russia is the fireman that puts out the fire, there's clearly a conflict of interests here which, once the pyromaniac and the fireman met, they will solve with their fists (or by having russia call the police, in this example, i suppose).

>No that's to vague, imperialism is done by the most chauvinistic part of big bourgeois finance capital
<Imperialism is when it's done by bourgs who wave the flag
Could you, at least, define what's imperialism?
>You mean imperialism the highest state of capitalism ?
<Heh, minor spelling mistake, I win.
Prove you've read it, then come back.
>this contradicts your previous statement that capitalist country entails automatic imperialism
Imperialism it's a relationship between two parts, the one where one country is imperialistic to one another, and the other where one country is being imperialized by another. The same way slavery is a relationship between Slaver and Slave, or capitalism is a relationship between capitalist and proletariat (simplyfing this, of course). This means that you can't have a imperialist nation without an imperialized nation, and this doesn't mean that an imperialized nation can't become, after liberating itself from the shackles of it's imperialist oppresor, into another imperialist nation. In fact, if it's still capitalist. it must turn imperialist because the return of investment in other countries makes it so the capitalist puts the same money in and gets more money out. The capitalist will go after the enterprise which gives it more money, if that means making a child-slave cocoa farm in Togo, then it will go for it.
>They (Russia) are imperialized tho, the US is hitting them with economic sanctions and is trying to make Ukraine into a military beachhead to destroy Russia, by your own admission.
You haven't read imperialism, the highest stage (and last btw) of capitalism. That's not imperialism, it's economic warfare. Sanctions were issued against Germany before WW1 as tariffs by France and Great Britain, does that mean Germany was imperialized by the UK and France? Because Germany did the same to the other two.
Brazil isn't being threatened by the US with economic sanctions and putting bases (and maybe even nukes) near it. Is Brazil not being imperialized by the US?

>(Russia is ruled by a capitalist class the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES. The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union)That's irrelevant for what is happening in the Ukraine now
We were discussing the matter of "is Russia imperialist" you dense motherfucker.
>If the USSR had still existed Russian tanks would have rolled into Kiev in 2014.
If the USSR had still existed Ukraine would be part of the USSR dumbass.
>It shouldn't have been possible to kill AES, 1989 should have been a footnote in history as a counter revolution that failed. And Putin clearly does not do the 1990s neoliberal capitalism there is more state-control than in the 90s especially over resource extraction. The US is throwing a big temper tantrum because they want to go back to the 90s.
<Putin is not doing neoliberalism and has a gas company that the Russian states owns 50.23% off, thus it's not capitalism.
Are you the Pseud poster of the firsts threads? Like, having a nationalised gas or oil company is REALLY common worldwide.
To put an example, Saudi Arabia has ARAMCO, the BIGGEST oil company in the world, and it's nationalized. Oil industry, one of the reasons why Saudi Arabia is so rich is because it's oil is nationalized by 98.5%..
Does that make Saudi Arabia a communist state? Does that make Saudi Arabia a country that is against the US? Does that make Saudi Arabia communistier than Russia?
No, because communism isn't about the state owning things, it's about ditching out capitalism to impose a new society based upon the shared means of production. State ownership (which, btw, a state is an organization designed to mantain a class in power, no class, no state, even if there is a goverment) in order to benefit the top elite isn't communism, it's just capitalism. Francoist Spain nationalized a lot of stuff, but it was because other capitalists saw that if the state ran stuff instead of other porkies it would be a lot more efficient and cheaper for them, and thus would get more benefit if they sacrificed some of it's class, similar happened accross the world after WW2 and before in the US with the New Deal. Now that the return of profit is lowering, they need to obtain back these enterprises in order to get more and more profit, as the river dries and you have to rationalize the water.
Also Saudi Arabia can do this because it's literally the one country that keeps the US from collapsing by enforcing the petrodollar by only trading in dollars. They literally have a treaty stating as such, the US would protect it against everything it would get on the Saudi's way (reason why they can support radical islam and not be told anything by the US) and Saudi Arabia would, then, always trade it's petroleum by dollars and ONLY dollars.

>You made a thread about Ukraine but you also want to have it derailed.
>Oh well China is a country that is building socialism.
Stop deluding yourself of throw yourself out of a cliff. China has been an antagonising force towards the USSR since it's inception, and preffered to help the US instead of the USSR.

>>505998
Get off it China is not imperialist against any country. Any trade and investment that occurs is consensual, respecting local laws and leaving full political power with the host country, eschewing preferential regimes that are common with "former" colonial powers.

>>505974
50/50 Fizzle/sizzle.

>>506001
>Get off it China is not imperialist against any country. Any trade and investment that occurs is consensual, respecting local laws and leaving full political power with the host country, eschewing preferential regimes that are common with "former" colonial powers.
<China doing imperialism nicely means it's not imperialism
You know, imperialism has some, quite strange effects on the infrastructure of a country. Instead of building railroads in order to ensure the travel between cities, of people moving from one place to another, to ensure that resources are shared, selled and bought by the people in the same country, in different cities. The infrastructure is quite different in these places, it isn't that spread out, it isn't from city to city, but instead it's quite barebones. it's from one part of the country, which is really away from land, and into a city on the coast. This is because infrastructure in an imperialized country is made in order to ensure the resources are exported, not for travel of resources and people between cities. Thus, imperialized countries tend to have really bad infrastructure, but really big railroads that always leads to a port.

See this? This is the supposed plans of China to develop further Africa, notice something?
It's the same pattern, everywhere, single railroads that cross through a country, dividing it in 2, from the deepest part to a port. The only place where this might not be the case is Algeria.

Imperialism is the export of capital. Imperialism is the export of money by capitalists from one country into another where such money will be put to much better use for the capitalist cause they will get a lot more money that if they were to invest it in their own country. The only interest of the capitalist in those countries where it's exports capital is to get more and more capital, and they don't live there, they don't care, they just want to see the green paper flow into their hands, thus, the absolute poor state of these countries being sucked dry by the imperialist bourgeoisie of different countries with the help of the comprador class.
China isn't developing proper infrastructure into Africa, it's making new railroads so their companies can get the resources more rapidly, it's "developing" these countries in order to get more and more materials (and thus, more return of investment) from these countries.
Tbh, I don't know if it's the Chinese state itself that making these infrastructure or chinese bourgs, but regardless, the objective is the same. If it's being done by the state, it's because the state itself has to ensure that they can buy out these countries so they can come into their sphere of influence, away from the US for the beneffit of the chinese bourgeoisie. It's the state, leaded by the bourgs, so the bourgs can get more and more money. Instead of putting their money in order to make it's own infrastructure better and make it's populace live better lives (supposedly there's still subsistance farmers in China), it's spending it's money in Africa.
China is imperialist, because it is capitalist, and this is the proof of it

>>506001
Btw, forgot to add this.
Read it, you need to.

When a big and powerful country trades with a smol third world shitter it's automatically imperialism

>>506006
>smol third world shitter
least chauvinistic dengist

>>506001
Wage Labor is not inherently bad.
Any exchange and contract that occurs is consensual, respecting local law and leaving full political power to the State, eschewing preferential regimes of any sort.

When China buys up Australian ports airports, power stations, land, resource deposits and builds massive highways there is it doing an Imperailism on the Anglo?

>>506009
Indeed.
If it is for resource extractionand capital export, it quite literally is.

>>506003
Imperialist countries are stil extracting more value from China than China gets from them (the Western powers of old.)

>>506003
Redditoid argument
https://youtu.be/03l3Ra4bL_A

>>506008
So it’s paying taxes in a state, which is located inside of a state?

>>506012
>Yanis Varoufakis.
>Syriza.
Dengists are indeed just socdems, who would have thought?

>believing Putin will take a chance having almost the entirety of Europe and Asia up his ass

This is all a dick-waving and peacock tail show. The man is an absolute mad lad but this isn't 2014 Crimea.

>>506016
Nah. It's Russo-Chinese reversal of the Sino-Soviet split and they will simultaniousley attack NATO: Russia will go into Ukraine and try to reach Poland (and reverse Trotsky's faliure of 1920), and China will attack Taiwan, concluding the revolutionary victory and destroying Koumintang and its offspring once and for all.

>>506014
Except you sound exactly like a succdem like Agent Kochinski.

>>506017
Kuomintang was already defeated by the liberal party of taiwan, the DPP.

>>506007
>Chauvinism is when reality
Kenya is poorer than China and it is indeed smaller. You’re being a westernoid “leftist” and analyze everything through emotions.

>>506003
>connecting major cities is splitting them up
You don’t know how fucking trains work

>>506021
Nobody called it a shithole. It’s objectively poorer than China.
Most western leftists need a lobotomy, all they do is get triggered at everything and hardly ever use dialectical materialism. Rightoids just need to be thrown into the cuckpits the liberals need the wall and porky needs the guillotine.

>>506018
>Having read imperialism, the highest stage of imperialism, and understood it, mean I'm CIA.
>But this other guy, from a party that sold itself to the EU, is not. In fact I hold his opinion quite highly.
Dude I'm the guy who says NATO wants to balkanize Russia and will support Russia in everything they do in the foreign relations department, but that doesn't mean I will delude myself in order to cope because of 1991.

>>506022
T. Doesn't have reading comprehension

>>506025
t. fed

>>506023
kill yourself instead of slinging buzzwords hypocrite

>>506026
T. can't take a L

>>506029
You didn’t prove me wrong at all. One guy kept claiming that building railroads is imperialism and it splits countries. How? It doesn’t. Countries need railroads to move their goods in between each other.

>>506028
T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T.

>>506030
Dude I hope you are ESL because your reading comprehension is 8th grade level


>>506031
Based

>>506030
but we did
cope

Lavrov says U.S. put forward concrete proposals on reducing military risks and we can see a way to move forward with talks

https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1493204548659335175

Another RESOUNDING victory for fizzlegang.
Nothingburger lives on.

Why did the thread become so active?

>>506003
> It's the state, leaded by the bourgs
Bourgs in China don’t run the state, the state run the bourgs (if they’re even present). State owned industries don’t have bourgs (they will be locked up) nor do employee-owned cooperatives (like the possibly millions of farms in China).

>>506032
>Dude I hope you are ESL because your reading comprehension is 8th grade level
<Implying he isn't in 8th grade.

>>506035
Imperialism, man.

>>506033
No you didn’t. You have no reading comprehension

There are so many fucking redditoids in this thread. Mods get rid of them.

Nothing is going to happen. This is just a giant psyop by the Russian military.

>>506036
>the state run the bourgs
how in the everloving fuck does that even work. if they take orders then they're a civil servant and not a capitalist.

>(if they’re even present)
"""if"""

>>506040
*US military

>>506038
we did you just don't have reading comprehension

>>506040
*Us-paid media

>>506041
They literally force their CEO’s to pay out of pocket.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-10/evergrande-s-hui-forced-to-sell-part-of-stake-in-defaulted-firm
^It’s from capitalist shit news so you know it has an anti-China bias.
Don’t forget what happened to Jack Ma. You step out of line, you’re fucked.

>>506043
Except you didn’t. You just said, lol Yanis and left.

>>506030
>You didn’t prove me wrong at all. One guy kept claiming that building railroads is imperialism and it splits countries. How? It doesn’t. Countries need railroads to move their goods in between each other.
Here, read it again. You need to:

>Get off it China is not imperialist against any country. Any trade and investment that occurs is consensual, respecting local laws and leaving full political power with the host country, eschewing preferential regimes that are common with "former" colonial powers.
<China doing imperialism nicely means it's not imperialism
You know, imperialism has some, quite strange effects on the infrastructure of a country. Instead of building railroads in order to ensure the travel between cities, of people moving from one place to another, to ensure that resources are shared, selled and bought by the people in the same country, in different cities. The infrastructure is quite different in these places, it isn't that spread out, it isn't from city to city, but instead it's quite barebones. it's from one part of the country, which is really away from land, and into a city on the coast. This is because infrastructure in an imperialized country is made in order to ensure the resources are exported, not for travel of resources and people between cities. Thus, imperialized countries tend to have really bad infrastructure, but really big railroads that always leads to a port.

See this? This is the supposed plans of China to develop further Africa, notice something?
It's the same pattern, everywhere, single railroads that cross through a country, dividing it in 2, from the deepest part to a port. The only place where this might not be the case is Algeria.

Imperialism is the export of capital. Imperialism is the export of money by capitalists from one country into another where such money will be put to much better use for the capitalist cause they will get a lot more money that if they were to invest it in their own country. The only interest of the capitalist in those countries where it's exports capital is to get more and more capital, and they don't live there, they don't care, they just want to see the green paper flow into their hands, thus, the absolute poor state of these countries being sucked dry by the imperialist bourgeoisie of different countries with the help of the comprador class.
China isn't developing proper infrastructure into Africa, it's making new railroads so their companies can get the resources more rapidly, it's "developing" these countries in order to get more and more materials (and thus, more return of investment) from these countries.
Tbh, I don't know if it's the Chinese state itself that making these infrastructure or chinese bourgs, but regardless, the objective is the same. If it's being done by the state, it's because the state itself has to ensure that they can buy out these countries so they can come into their sphere of influence, away from the US for the beneffit of the chinese bourgeoisie. It's the state, leaded by the bourgs, so the bourgs can get more and more money. Instead of putting their money in order to make it's own infrastructure better and make it's populace live better lives (supposedly there's still subsistance farmers in China), it's spending it's money in Africa.
China is imperialist, because it is capitalist, and this is the proof of it

>>506046
>bourgs have to follow regulations therefore the country isn't capitalist
kek had me going there

>>506046
Jack Ma still retains like 90% of its money and is still breathing.
I wish I'd be fucked like he is.

>>506003
> China isn't developing proper infrastructure into Africa
What’s your definition of “proper infrastructure”?

Russian parliament to discuss draft bills on Donbass recognition
MOSCOW, Feb 14 (Reuters) - Russia's parliament will vote on Tuesday to decide whether to ask President Vladimir Putin to recognise two Russian-backed breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent, the speaker of the Duma lower house said.
Vyacheslav Volodin said lawmakers would consider two alternative resolutions on recognition of the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, in the area known as the Donbass, where separatist forces have been fighting the Ukrainian army since 2014.
Under the first, parliament would appeal directly to Putin to recognise them as independent. The second, sponsored by deputies from the dominant United Russia party, would first seek the views of the Foreign Ministry and other government agencies.
The conflict is part of a wider crisis, with the United States warning that Russia may attack Ukraine at any time with a force of more than 100,000 troops massed near its borders. Russia denies any such plan and accuses the West of hysteria.
Recognition of the two regions would be a significant step that would effectively kill off the existing Minsk peace process for east Ukraine to which Russia says it is committed. For that reason, some analysts are sceptical that Putin would want to take such a step.
The alternative path of consulting the Foreign Ministry appeared designed to play for time and avoid bringing the issue to a head, at a moment when military tensions are high but Russia says there is still room for diplomacy.
The idea of asking Putin to recognise the breakaway territories was first floated by lawmakers on Jan. 19 but has taken weeks to get onto parliament's agenda, with the Kremlin declining to comment on whether it likes the idea.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-draft-resolution-east-ukraine-regions-seeks-foreign-ministry-view-2022-02-14/

>>506050
That’s because the CPC threatened to take his wealth.

>>506053
What is because of that?

>>506003
>anon learns that most major cities and population centres across the globe are on the coast
>buildings railroads is a bad thing now
>implying the only thing China is doing is building railroads and not everything related to the infrastructure of a developed nation
it's bait

>>506055
Just out of curiosity, how much are the railroad workers paid?

>>506051
>What’s your definition of “proper infrastructure”?
Infrastructure that is put there in order to make the lives of those who live there (be it to travel or to trade between eachother) easier, and not a direct mine-to-sea railroad.
Proper infrastructure is, to put an example, what European countries have, an infrastructure which was put in place in order to make the country (the national bourgs all from different cities, be it tourism or shipment of goods) richer, not to make other bourgs from a different country richer. In germany you can go whenever you want to by train, to put an example, and in dire situations in a car in a somewhat supported roads, hell you can probably do this in Romania o Serbia. In Africa, the structure is to have a direct railroad from the mine into a port for quick extraction of resources, and it has been like this since the colonial powers partitioned Africa, and the rest of towns just have to suck it up on shitty dirt roads that get muddy all the time.

>>506055
Cope.
There's a reason why China is building and planning railroads like the european powers once did, and it's for resource extraction. One direct way towards the sea so the products can be shipped and sold quickly.

>>506058
Sizzlegang wins again.

>>506052
> Look West we might annex the Donbass now!

The most likely thing is that Putin is bluffing and wasn't gonna do an invasion. The most likely thing is that Putin is trying to take the West and Ukraine on a roller coaster, sending contradictory political signals both with the help of political statements and with the help of troop movements. He's likely trying to test the resolve of the West and Ukraine, pressing in different places and analyzing where it gives in and breaks, and where it doesn’t.

The West has played into his provocation and is playing along with it. If they just ignored him and maintained the status quo would they be in a better position versus Russia? Just let him hold the drills and don't screech about it for months? The West also sent a bunch of mixed signals and contradictory messages. The shit that they demonstrated is : They would only do new sanctions if Putin actually attack's Ukraine. They would abandon Ukraine in the event of an attack. They are willing to negotiate on some Russian security demands. But if Putin doesn't attack which is the most likely outcome then Biden and his team look good and competent.

>>506057
you don't think that these countries need these railroads to extract their resources because selling resources is how they accumulate the capital to develop

>>506057
tbf, any reasonable railroad project in Nigeria will start or end in Lagos. Compare with France

>>506061
>you don't think that these countries need these railroads to extract their resources because selling resources is how they accumulate the capital to develop
The resources are not sold by the country, it's sold by a multinational. The benefits go to Nestle or whatever mining company, not to the nigerian goverment. The only way they could beneffit from this is from taxes…
Hell, they might not even pay taxes to the nigerian goverment because of corruption.

>>506063
Reasonable.
BTW that's not the best representation of France's railroad map

>>506060
Recognizing the independence of donetsk and luhansk is not the same as annexing them.

>>506063
>TGV
That map doesn't take regular railway into account

>Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky declares Feb. 16 - the day some say Russian forces plane to invade - as a national "Day of Unity . to strengthen the consolidation of Ukrainian society, strengthen its resilience in the face of growing hybrid threats.
Oh my god it's happening isn't it.

>comparing Germany to Nigeria
>what is the history of colonialism and industrialization and why can't China make up for it in less then 20 years? picrel
also, your images just aren't backing up what you're saying. In both pictures we see major population centres being connected up with rail, within and through national borders. What the Europeans did was to connect mines to ports.

>>506065
>railways connected to port cities and inland towns
France is imperializing themselves.

>>506069
meant for >>506057

>>506068
>mushroom cloud emblems
wtf is that map??

Nothingburger

>>506073
ceasefire violations from https://liveuamap.com/

>>506070
inshallah

>>506074
what if Russia just uses this to show how easily the entirety of NATO can get thrown into hysterics

>>506069
>Nigeria, a country with double the size and double the territory, only has 12 important cities that coincidentally all make a line towards the sea.
I mean, you could argue it's the way it is because of past imperialism, but it is a lot more than that, I'm talking not only railroads, but normal roads, which have been developed by the nigerian goverment itself but it's still somewhat lacking. Also, this means that the means of transport of a lot of nigerian cities is trucking and that's it. The actual meat and potatoes of transport of goods, that being railways, is quite lacking because it was made in the mind of resource extraction and that's it.
>America is also like this.
And America is retarded and it was literally built for cars (which might also be the reason why there are not that much railways in on itself on nigeria, but whatever) so car manufacturers can get a lot more money.

Also, we were discussing about China's involvement in the continent itself, as far as my knowledge goes, China isn't funding normal roads, it's funding railways, and not even making them, just buying them up so they can prioritize their production.
The railroads you see in nigeria in red in the chinese plans are literally already in place.

>>506068
HE SPILLED THE BEANS.
Yea he was sarcastic my balls.

>>506079
Kek

>>506078
rail roads are antiquated

>>506079
T'was merely an act!

>>506081
American detected.
Opinion discarded-

>>506081
No they aren't you turbo retarded fat fucking idiot

>>506083
holy shit your formatting is terrible
but its clear you're a coping yuropoor

>>506084
lol yes they are, there is no need for them now that we have cars(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>506081
>>506085
I hope you get permabanned.

>>506081
It is you who is coping amerilard. If I had trains like yours in my country I would also think they are shit.

>>506086
You may think so because the only thing you need to haul is your 500 pound fat American gut to the McDonalds drive through but believe it or not there are larger things than an American that need to be moved

>>506088
China hasn't progressed passed trains yet apparently but they will once they can afford cars

>>506088
Look at how inefficient they are, thousands of miles of track and not a single drive thru. What about the burgers?

>>506089
>but believe it or not there are larger things than an American that need to be moved
Lies, deception.
That's complete bullshit.
There's nothing more dense than an american

>>506089
seething confirmed

>>506093
I think you are the one that's seething you just can't tell because of your naturally elevated blood pressure and clammy hands

>>506094
why would I need to seethe? I don't ever need to sit on a train like Europoors

>>506048
To be fair this is what Kenya is working on with Chinese companies.

>this thread and /USApol/ have just devolved into 2 people calling each other seething over and over
i hate this website

>>506096
i think reddit is more your speed

>>506097
Getting a connection from a neighbouring country to _your_ port is always good business tbh

>>506097
Okay those little orange lines are imperialism, but those big thick orange lines have to be superimperialism

>>506101
don't need to when cars exist lmao

>>506048
>Thus, imperialized countries tend to have really bad infrastructure, but really big railroads that always leads to a port.

<imperialism is when big railroad

God, you anticommunist people are pathetic.

>Imperialism is the export of capital.

Imperialism is when capital literally gets exported. When markets have to be secured with the force of arms and economic coercion. China doesn't export it's capital, it merely sells railroads and factories. Chinese porkies are extremely small, it's all SOEs doing business, and at cheap price, and with a lot of freebies.

>If it's being done by the state, it's because the state itself has to ensure that they can buy out these countries so they can come into their sphere of influence, away from the US for the beneffit of the chinese bourgeoisie.

Prove it. It's cute for you to say this shit with no proofs whatsoever and with merely theoretical constructs. Come on, prove that China's actually building all fo this for chinese porkies, lol. Show us those beneficiaries!

Can US and China bros fuck off to their own threads? This is Ukraine happening thread, not Chinese railroad vs American hamburger thread.

>>506102
Bigger the orange line, the imperiliaster it is

>>506105
Hamburgers vs railroads will be the defining all encompassing conflict of the 21st century and the Ukraine crisis is merely a small aspect of it.

>>506003
Well you see the organization leading China is named"communist party"so it's not imperialism when their capitalist class extracts super profits trough exploitation of labor and resources in under developed countries for capital exports. Hope that helped, socialism 2050!

>>505998


>You can be both imperialist and be defending yourself against an outside invader who wants to tear you to pieces, capitalist countries can only be anti-other_people's_imperialisms. The only countries that can deem themselves as truly anti-imperialist are communist ones, as those don't have the motive to be imperialist
Wrong. It has nothing to do with motive.

>You haven't read imperialism, the highest stage (and last btw) of capitalism. That's not imperialism, it's economic warfare.
No it is imperialism. The only reason the US is able to do that is because of their monopoly control. Russia does not have a monopoly.

>Capitalism can only have one winner. Either you get more money than the rival and make them bankrupt or you bankrupt with your rival taking up what you left.
Exactly. The anti-imperialist position is critical support for actions that decrease US monopoly.

https://nitter.kavin.rocks/KyivIndependent/status/1492950219494940678#m

US is crashing your economy with no survivors

Seeing lots of shit on OSINT Twitter about Russian forces moving to “attack positions” so if something is going to happen, it’ll happen within the next day it seems.

>>506110
this, coupled with oligarchs leaving the country and fashoids declaring they'll overthrow the government if any compromises are made, has me certain zelensky's about to get couped by burgers

>>506102
>Isiolo: 45 989 inhabitants
>Lodwar: 58 218 inhabitants
>Nakodok: Doesn't has a census
>Moyale: 400.000 to 600.000 (It's actually Ethiopian).
>Garissa: 450 399 inhabitants
>Lamu Town: 25 385 inhabitants, a port.
>Malaba: 7 302 inhabitants
>Rongai: No census.
>Kisumu: 344 487 inhabitants
>Nairobi: The capital, makes sense it passes on there.
>Voi: 45,483 inhabitants.
>Mombasa: 5 million or so (It's quite the ancient city, pretty important on the indus trade and also nowadays, a port).
11 Out of 103 towns have railroads Not to say all of them should, but that's a pititful number.

>>506106
>>506102
Guys, this is not something only China fucking does, in fact most of these railway lines have been planned and made by it's colonial powers of the time, be it the UK, France, Germany or Italy. How come when those countries do it it's imperialism but when China does the same planning for the same reason it's not.
You gotta give me a valid reason by China is doing so.
>To spread socialism.
How.

>>506109
>Wrong. It has nothing to do with motive.
You're telling me a socialist country can be imperialist?

>No it is imperialism. The only reason the US is able to do that is because of their monopoly control. Russia does not have a monopoly.
Read the fugging book. Imperialism is the export of capital to non-developed countries.

>>506111
If this is true, then this will most likely be seen by US satellites. I'm not going to believe it until more reputatable sources start reporting it.

Putin shows his hand. Russian State Duma is gonna vote on recognising Donbass and Luhansk as independent states tomorrow. This means that if Ukraine attacks those regions, Russia will respond with force. This might actually mean war.
https://tass.com/world/1403111

>>506114
No it isn't.

>We have to begin with as precise and full a definition of imperialism as possible. Imperialism is a specific historical stage of capitalism. Its specific character is threefold: imperialism is monopoly capitalism; parasitic, or decaying capitalism; moribund capitalism. The supplanting of free competition by monopoly is the fundamental economic feature, the quintessence of imperialism. Monopoly manifests itself in five principal forms: (1) cartels, syndicates and trusts—the concentration of production has reached a degree which gives rise to these monopolistic associations of capitalists; (2) the monopolistic position of the big banks—three, four or five giant banks manipulate the whole economic life of America, France, Germany; (3) seizure of the sources of raw material by the trusts and the financial oligarchy (finance capital is monopoly industrial capital merged with bank capital); (4) the (economic) partition of the world by the international cartels has begun. There are already over one hundred such international cartels, which command the entire world market and divide it “amicably” among themselves—until war redivides it. The export of capital, as distinct from the export of commodities under non-monopoly capitalism, is a highly characteristic phenomenon and is closely linked with the economic and territorial-political partition of the world; (5) the territorial partition of the world (colonies) is completed.

Russia does not have a monopoly. The US does. You even explain how with their treaties to Saudi Arabia. Destabilization of the petrodollar is anti-imperialist and increases wages through competition.

>>506112
That would be twice in eight years, probably a rate the US is okay with

>>506115
https://twitter.com/yosefyisrael25/status/1493296758448967680?s=21
Some us official stated this based on sat imagery.

So it's actually le happening this time?

The Russian ambassador to the UN is currently on stream with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6lO0kppQkk

So if the US is not willing to guarantee against NATO encroachment does that mean Russia gets to shuffle their troops at the border and troll NATO forever?

Because other than war, it seems the only one losing anything here is the US losing influence as the rest of NATO hate their guts for shitting up western Europe with military BS, disturbing their politics displaying their subservience for all to see and compromising their profits… Is it then to be assumed that NATO will push to start WW3?

>>506121
cytube?

Putin spreading Orthodoxy against NATO degenerates

>>506124
It's almost over

Nothingburger? Nothingburger.

>>506117
>The export of capital, as distinct from the export of commodities under non-monopoly capitalism, is a highly characteristic phenomenon and is closely linked with the economic and territorial-political partition of the world;
<The export of capital isn't imperialism.
<Implying Russia doesn't have all of the other 4 conditions which aren't on itself imperialism but the conditions that generate it.

>Russia does not have a monopoly.
A country doesn't have a monopoly, its bourgeoisie have a monopoly inside of the country which tries to expand outwards. The steel and railway company of Germany, or the Rhine, or however it was called was a trust that formed after decades of capitalism in Germany as capitalism advanced and fewer and fewer companies were left either bankrupt or absorbed by bigger companies. A country doesn't have a monopoly, a company has, and that specific company I talked about before, the steel and railway company, was a monopoly inside of Germany. As monopolies form, they have so much money that they can export it elsewhere where the return of investment is higher, as the returnal of profit in their home country has been dried up already thanks to years of development. That's why these monopolies (which are also conjoined with the bank bourgs, making the financial bourgeoisie if I'm correct) have the state itself conquer and "civilise" other countries, be it african, asian, or slavic. There was a need to conquer these countries as that way the development of these would be a lot higher (at the cost of millions of lives) as it would be forced instead of negotiating with the kingdoms that populated there at the moment.
Nowadays that capitalism is pretty much everywhere, this process of conquering and developing is no longer needed as the structure to export capital into these countries it's already in place.

Also, when did Lenin talk about the petrodollar in Imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism?
Yea, I know that the Petrodollar became a thing like 50 years after Lenin died, but the petrodollar is quite literally the treaty between two countries that help eachother, the US and Saudi Arabia, in which both have the same power. If any of them pull out, they would both be in deep shit, in fact in this Saudi Arabia has the upper hand, if Saudi Arabia doesn't want to sell in dollars it petroleum, the only real threat for them is Iran declaring them war, but the US then would fucking implode because of the billions and billions of dollars that then would be worthless. The petrodollar is neither a monopoly, neither imperialism, another thing is that it has been birthed thanks to imperialism, military might and it's geopolitical position that America was able to afford this, and I say afford this cause it's Saudi Arabia who has grabbed by the balls the US, not the other way around.

>>506125
Nice garments

>>506116
Yup, this is it. The casus belli and the trap. Declare LNR and DNR independent, watch if the Ukrainoids sperg out and attack, then have justification to retaliate. If no attack, then NATO looks like a bunch of pussies unable to do anything about Russian geopolitical moves.

>>506128
>Capitalism is imperialism

<Imperialism is a specific historical stage of capitalism.

<Imperialism is monopoly capitalism

<The supplanting of free competition by monopoly is the fundamental economic feature, the quintessence of imperialism.

<the concentration of production has reached a degree which gives rise to these monopolistic associations of capitalists;

<the monopolistic position of the big banks—three, four or five giant banks manipulate the whole economic life of America, France, Germany;

<finance capital is monopoly industrial capital merged with bank capital

<There are already over one hundred such international cartels, which command the entire world market and divide it “amicably” among themselves

Are Gazprom Rosneft Lukoil Sinopec etc owned by BlackRock, Chase, JPMorgan? Do they work "amicably" to divide their profits? Does OPEC, ARAMCO, BP, EXXON, SHELL, control more than 50% of the market share of petroleum? Do they work "amicably" to divide their profits? Does oil set downstream prices for all existing commodities in the global market by virtue of being the fuel for transport? For all manufactured items by being the fuel for factories? For all food by being the primary constituent of modern fertilizer?

>in which both have the same power
Yes its called a cartel.

>>506131
Exactly. Next few days will be tense.

>>506135
you can't live forever on nothingburgers, the people demand delicious, nutritious somethingburgers

so is Crimea still Russian?
what if this same thing? Nato was much stronger 8-10 years ago when russia did that

>>506136
>cheering on a pointless war
but why

>>506136
Sanctions and pipelines are somethingburgers

>>506135
You will spend next years of your life going from a flashpoint to a flashpoint, until they are happening every day, or until one of them actually escalates.

Claiming that nothing will happen only proves you're an anti-communist, or an idealist (same difference).

>>505998
Based.

>>506135
What do you mean? It is already happening. Its been happening for 8 years.

>>506143
>20 threads of Chinese rail arguments later
ftfy

>Are Gazprom Rosneft Lukoil Sinopec etc owned by BlackRock, Chase, JPMorgan?
Do they have to be american banks exactly? Regardless, supposedly the bank of New York Mellon owns 16.7% of Gazprom. https://www.statista.com/statistics/273267/shareholder-structure-of-gazprom/
In fact, Russia actually has about 38.37% or so and there's 2 other companies, which is administrated by the russian goverment as well, that has the 10.97 left and the other the 0.89%.

>Do they work "amicably" to divide their profits?
Don't know, do you know it? pls tell me and show sources for it.

>Does OPEC, ARAMCO, BP, EXXON, SHELL, control more than 50% of the market share of petroleum?
Tbh I don't think so.

>Do they work "amicably" to divide their profits?
As in if they compenetrate themselves to have the same prices or so? I mean, two years ago somehow the petrol barrel got into the negative prices, don't think so.

>Does oil set downstream prices for all existing commodities in the global market by virtue of being the fuel for transport?
Yes, dunno why you ask this, not that relevant aside from remarking that Oil is pretty much what makes the world run.

>Yes (the alliance between the US and Saudi Arabia) its called a cartel.
How.
Isn't this a business term, for companies?
Is the US a company?
Can countries make cartels as well?
Was the allied powers a cartel or am I understanding you wrong?

>>506146
Did Canada sell them a single bullet?

>>506148
Yes.