rushed edition SIZZLE, FIZZLE, SUCK MY DRIZZLE
WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE OF BOREDOM
TO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexacFor Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
QRD
"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin says in speech to the nation“
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495832687227068422Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495833069676335104“PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S ADMISSION TO NATO IS A DIRECT THREAT TO RUSSIA'S SECURITY || NATO TRAINING CENTRES ESTABLISHED IN UKRAINE AMOUNT TO NATO MILITARY BASES“
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1495840775082737664Putin says Ukraine is a "U.S. colony" with a "puppet regime"
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495840971208429568“Russia claims Ukraine invaded Russia and says 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two APCs destroyed near Rostov.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495745864320831492Putin, in televised address on Ukraine crisis, talks about a "nationalistic virus" says 1991 collapse of Soviet Union saw Russia robbed
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1495834881028411393“Putin: "Why did we have to transfer the rights to the territories that had been part of the Russian Empire?"“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832267687669763PUTIN SPEECH WAS PRERECORDED:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495775697121517570Russia & Syria officially recognize LNR and DPR
https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495845600834822147Syria recognizing LNR/DPR
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495847706555781123Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua likely to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics shortly
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495850619487371265Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-president-putin-ukraine-break-apart_n_6213d491e4b0ef74d724b3a0"President Biden will soon issue an Executive Order that will prohibit new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in the so-called DNR and LNR regions of Ukraine," Jen Psaki says following recognition by Putin of regions as "independent."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1495858379243282434
>EU leadership @vonderleyen & @eucopresident say that bloc will react with sanctions "against those involved in this illegal act" of recognising Donetsk and Luhansk. >Suggests individual, targeted sanctions: not the big ol' war package that everyone has been talking up for weeks.https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1495853591764082700Communist Party of Russia has just endorsed Putin's call to recognise the DNR and LNR.
Zyuganov: "Look how zealous the Americans and British are now. They forced Ukraine to send almost all its troops to the Donetsk-Luhansk region. More than 100k in a patch of 40-50km."
https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495857447973572610https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-us-biden-sanctions-donetsk-luhansk/>The senior administration official offered a caveat that "Russian troops moving into Donbas would not itself be a new step," since it has had a military presence in the region for eight years. Though Moscow has denied this is the case, "Russia now looks like it's going to be operating openly in that region," the official said. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/21/putin-sends-troops-breakaway-territories-00010447>The official, who requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive issues, wouldn’t call the move an invasion, however, saying “Russian troops moving into Donbas would not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas for the past eight years.”https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082146367/putin-ukraine-donetsk-luhansk>Russian troops moving into the Donbas would not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas region for the last eight years," a senior administration official told reporters on a briefing call Monday evening.EXCLUSIVE (Reuters) Biden administration has prepared export controls to hit Russian companies with alleged military ties and deny Russians access to global technology, including electronics and computers
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1496170434290724878ACTIVE
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https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash >>511704It's funny because at the time, nobody thought anything was going to happen, just a petty squabble in the balkans (again)
It was only when the secret alliances and coalitions started gaining traction, and the media started pushing out copious amounts of propaganda stating shit like "Austria-Hungary was always out allies, we must defend their sovereignty" that everyone starting thinking "fuck, it's happening isn't it"
>>511702Have any of them actually recognized it yet?
>>511699>Ukrainian communists need helpDoing what, fighting for their oligarchs? Let them embrace revolutionary defeatism. Most of us are westoids, so rooting for Putin is also hoping the west will lose, which will only accelerate the dialectic here in the west by showing how fragile the system is. But keep rooting for Bojo to sanction the evil Russkies all you want.
>>511693Why is it 20.1
Also
>OP imageFucking jesus Christ…..
>>511718Your post is good, lots of informative links
Appreciate it
>>511702Lmfao
>>511718It's good. Just triggering my fake OCD, and wondering about the reasoning.
>>511724How many people died?
>>511710Worst, the company that does the NS-II is intended to be sanctioned.
>>511716Talking about brits:
> The British Defense Minister, Ben Wallace, attacked Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday, stating that the United Kingdom can defeat Russia in a military conflict.
> In a meeting with soldiers and Home Secretary Priti Patel in Westminster, Wallace said the British Army "is going to be a busy army" and added: "Unfortunately we have a busy adversary in Putin, who has gone completely insane." He compared the situation with that of the Crimean War of 1853-1856.
> "The Scots Guards kicked Tsar Nicholas I's ass in the Crimea in 1853, we can always do it again," Wallace said. "Tsar Nicholas I made the same mistake as Putin, he had no friends or allies," he continued. >>511739>halp protect the heckin jewarinos and gayarinos>but not from the openly neonazi state-backed militiasNATO really needs some original material.
>>511741Anglos really are delusional. May the spirit of Nasser strengthen Putin and enable him to put them in their place once again.
>>511757Ten Bayraktars took off from Khmelnitsky
its about to get spicy
>>511700I have peered into the abyss and have seen Mr. monkey peering back at me.
>>511751>>511757Oh boy.
>>511747>>511751Abandoned like all of Shartland's allies when the going gets tough.
Sic semper Quislings
>>511758Lel, why Montana of all fucking places? Just have a random Russian enclave between the US and Canada? Montana is beautiful btw. You should go if you ever get the chance. Glacier National Park is getting tourist-fucked like Yellowstone, Yosemite, etc. though.
>>511766oh shid nvm
>>511751>With regard to the borders within which we will recognise these republics, we did recognise them, which means we recognised their foundational documents, including the Constitution, and the Constitution stipulates their borders within the Donetsk and Lugansk regions at the time when they were part of Ukraine. But we expect, and I want to emphasise this, that all disputes will be resolved during talks between the current Kiev authorities and the leaders of these republics. Unfortunately, at this point in time, we realise that it is impossible to do so, since hostilities are still ongoing and, moreover, they are showing signs of escalating. But I hope this is how it will turn out in the future.http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67838 RUMINT: ZELENSKY HAS LEFT THE COUNTRY FOR POLAND
https://twitter.com/Faaytuks/status/1496615051914063873this might be russian disinfo, as the same rumor was spread before zelensky's address to the nation
>>511782And the deaths were at least 14k since 2014. Remember those are highly populated areas, Donezk has a million inhabitants and the front line is literally across the street.
Whatever legitimacy Ukraine claims, they are murdering them by the thousands. By the way, as little fun fact, the numbers of people that died in Kosovo before the West reconized is much lower. Yet we are being told that if NATO didn't bomb Serbia, there would have been another Holocaust.
🇺🇦🇷🇺⚡️As per a Russian field journalist, a unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine crossed the Seversky Donets river with the support of artillery, there were battles with DPR and LPR units near the heights of Nikolaevka village.
https://twitter.com/UkrReport/status/1496616451251347458?s=20&t=yfLjAHSKYDHT2Maw_2ItCgDPR bros… have we got too cocky?
>>511747wew
"Sorry, your country does not harbor enough neonazis to warrant US military support. May we suggest accelerating the infection?"
>>511802>>511803He is speaking to Russians by saying “you’ve been told that Ukraine is going to attack you,” and is pointing out the fact that the Russian government is setting up Russians against Ukraine.
“Our main goal is peace in Ukraine, and the safety of our citizens, Ukrainians.”
“We are ready to talk to you in any format, in any place, at any time. War will eliminate guarantees of safety for everyone.”
“People will suffer. People will die. People are the ones who can prevent this. Are there people among you who don’t want this? I am sure of this.”
“Doctors, bloggers, musicians, tik-tokers, regular people. Men, women, elderly, children, mothers.”
“Just like the Ukrainian people, you do not want war.”
“You are trying to be convinced of war. I am sure that this will not be shown on Russian television, but you must know the truth.”
“You must stop before it’s too late. And if your government doesn’t want to sit down at the table with us, they might sit down with you.”
“The citizens of the Russian Federation must speak up.”
>>511797>>511802Top kek the retards are actually going to do it.
>Ukrainian Air Force>The main inventory of the air force still consists of Soviet-made aircraft. >Since 1991's Ukrainian independence the air force has suffered from chronic underinvestment, leading to the bulk of its inventory becoming mothballed or otherwise becoming inoperable.I can't see how this is not suicide. I hope they die quickly and give up. Nationalists are insane
>>511817>This time is wholesomepoggers
>>511819>I can't imagine german porkies being ok with this for too longThe fuck will they do, stop sucking America's dick? Fat chance.
>>511806>Doctors, bloggers, musicians, tik-tokers, regular people.Cursed speech.
>>511824Shit like kamikaze was only practical in the era before guided missiles.
The MXY-7 Okha was literally just a human-guided cruise missile.
>>511732at least a million, oh god.
>>511817Got it. Thanks comrade.
>>511819Everyone's saying this, but nobody has done anything. FFS they were projecting the Ukraine flag on the Brandemburger Tor.
>>511848Doesn't Moscow have the only Russian ABM system allowed under the treaty? The Americans put theirs around their silos in North Dakota.
In any case, Amerisharts have said they're going to let Russia have Ukraine, they're not intervening, just doing sanctions.
>>511844>>511842Even if the actual takeover of the rest of the two territories is a cakewalk, they will have to do inserruction management permanently. That's a guaranteed quagmire in modern wars.
Honestly, I think there won't be an invasion. This is brinksmanship on Putin's part. You can tell this is brinksmanship by someone who actually knows what he's doing, unlike America's clown brinksmanship, because of the fact that everyone thinks he'll do it
>>511862It's the biggest habboning since Floyd.
This actually impacts me because I'll be paying through the nose for gas, and other necessary things for my livelihood that depend on gas prices, thanks to these stupid political games.
And we're seeing geopolitical games being played out in the open and in fast motion.
Statement from The American Committee for US-Russia Accord: Diplomacy Is The Only Answer To The Ukraine Crisis
>ACURA STATEMENT>February 23, 2022>The American Committee for US-Russia Accord believes that diplomacy is key to solving disputes and conflicts, and we have supported and called on all parties to the current crisis in Ukraine to seek a resolution of differences through diplomatic means, respecting international law and international borders.
>As advocates of a diplomatic resolution we are gravely concerned that Russia has chosen to abandon the path of dialogue, diplomacy and negotiation by deciding, on February 21st, to unilaterally recognize Donetsk and Luhansk as independent Republics and order peacekeeping troops to these areas of Ukraine. We are also dismayed by US secretary of state Antony Blinken’s decision to cancel a planned meeting with Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov this week.
>It is not lost on us that the precedent for President Putin’s decision to recognize the breakaway republics was set by the United States. Almost exactly fourteen years ago, on February 18, 2008 the US unilaterally recognized Kosovo’s independence in the face of Russian objections. Nevertheless, Mr. Putin’s actions are a violation of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, which we do not condone. This action by Russia, coming on the heels of the US and NATO’s rejection of Russia’s security proposals, opens a dangerous new juncture bringing with it an escalation of tensions that will benefit no one.
>We appeal to Russia to confine its military presence to the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics and to Ukraine to avoid military action against the breakaway enclaves. A cease-fire in the area is essential if there is any chance of finding a peaceful solution.
>Yet, if Moscow’s actions in recent days and weeks, are, as we believe, deeply concerning, so too is the increasingly hardline being taken by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky who promised voters, when he ran for and won the presidency in 2019, that he would pursue a path to peace and end the war in the Donbas. Unfortunately, his speech to the Munich Security Conference last week amounted, in our view, to something close to a declaration of war.
>The Ukrainian government then has to shoulder its share of the blame for the current crisis, particularly for its refusal to implement the essential provisions of the Minsk Protocols (2015), including respect for Russian language rights in Ukraine.
>Sadly, we must also recognize that Mr. Zelensky’s profoundly unwise address was no doubt influenced by the same liberal and neoconservative war hawks in America’s political class and media who so loudly applauded it. The resemblance between today and February 2014, when the US aided and abetted Ukraine in its most self-destructive impulses, is hard to miss.
>Also shameful is the complicity of our own national security establishment, including the veritable parade of former generals and intelligence officials who now seemingly shape the amnesiac and militaristic coverage of our most influential media outlets.
>And so, as Russia and Ukraine inch closer and closer to the abyss of war, what is needed is not a rush to cede to the hawks in both parties who are braying for conflict, but for intense negotiations —at the UN, at the OSCE, and among the signatories to the Minsk Protocols. It is time to recognize that there remain options that, if pursued in good faith, could bring the current crisis to a peaceful conclusion.
>To that end, we recommend a moratorium on NATO membership and a return to the Conventional Forces in Europe and Intercontinental Ballistic Missile treaties. We believe the crisis can and should ultimately be resolved by a declaration of Ukrainian neutrality and the withdrawal of Russian forces from the Donbas. To that end, we applaud the restraint shown by both France and Germany, and are particularly supportive of President Emmanuel Macron’s efforts towards ending the crisis.
>To our own President, Mr. Biden, we say: American interests in Ukraine will never outweigh those of Russia’s; the US and NATO cannot and will not win a war on the ground against Russia in its own backyard; sanctions will not somehow, some way prevail this time and may indeed damage the American economy. This crisis is fundamentally, at its core, about the grave mistake of NATO expansion.
>In the end, we must recognize that diplomacy is the only answer to the crisis. We urge President Biden and his administration to encourage and, if need be, help facilitate, the hard but necessary work of diplomacy that is being undertaken by our allies in Paris and Berlin.
>For the American Committee for US-Russia Accord,
>Signed,
>Katrina vanden Heuvel, President of ACURA; Editorial Director and Publisher of The Nation magazine
>James W. Carden, Senior Consultant to ACURA; former Advisor to the Special Representative for Intergovernmental Affairs, U.S. State Department
>Christopher C. Dyson, Executive Vice President, The Dyson-Kissner-Moran Corporation
>Bernadine Joselyn, founding Director of Public Policy and Engagement, Blandin Foundation; former Foreign Service Officer, U.S. State Department
>Cynthia Lazaroff, award-winning documentary filmmaker and founder of NuclearWakeUpCall.Earth
>Anatol Lieven, PhD, Senior Research Fellow on Russia and Europe, The Quincy Institute
>Jack F. Matlock, PhD, U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union 1987-1991; U.S. Ambassador to Czechoslovakia from 1981-1983
>Krishen Mehta, former Partner, PricewaterhouseCoopers; Senior Global Justice Fellow, Yale University
>Nicolai Petro, PhD, professor of political science, University of Rhode Island; former special assistant for policy in the Office of Soviet Union Affairs, U.S. State Department
>David C. Speedie, former Senior Fellow and Director of the Program on U.S. Global Engagement at the Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs in New Yorkhttps://usrussiaaccord.org/statement-from-the-american-committee-for-us-russia-accord-diplomacy-is-the-only-answer-to-the-ukraine-crisis/2 years agoJoe Biden Admits to Getting Ukrainian Prosecutor who Investigated Son Fired
In a Council of Foreign Affairs meeting, Joe Biden admits to getting a ukrainian prosecutor who investigated his son fired.
>You're not getting any loans until that prosecutor is fired, you have 6 hours.>>511889I don't get it, but I support it.
>>511866>crimean land bridgeI saw CNN schizoing out about this with their touchscreen map the other day, what does this even mean?
Crimea is already connected to Russia via the Kerch peninsula, which already has a road bridge, wouldn't be too hard to build a rail bridge (if there isn't one or two already).
>>511900 (me)
Ah, I understand now, they are sieging the city to not let pass Russians, kek. but kharkiv is not in the minds of the Donbasians.
>>511865AFAIK the rest of the tw territories has a much smaller Russian population than the controlled areas, and, of course, NATO will stuff the place full of
mujahideen freedom fighters.
>>511866bro it's a long distance to the Crimean isthmus, no way in fuck a war will cost less than whatever is being spent right now
besides how the fuck doesn't a territory the size of fucking crimea have its own fresh water system in the first place
>>511872Realpolitik isn't just about direct advantages. This is driving a wedge within NATO (America is so bloodthirsty compared to the others is ridiculous, and that buffoon Boris is going along because of his electoral risk, Germany isn't happy with the Nordstream paralyzation), it gives America's reputation a black eye (particularly valuable given it's already in frank decay), the fear of war increases America's rising social discontent, it fuels division thanks to Republicans' fairweather Russophilia etc. etc.
I know this is the minority opinion right now, but I maintain that there won't be an invasion.
>>511911Biden declared to sanction NS-II AG, the Swiss-based company, 50% Gazprom, 50% conglomerate of energy companies.
cruz's bill was even secondary, so the shit was more powerful. Biden's only in the targeted firms, tho it is not published but that's the impression I got from the overview.
>>511914Dawn of the Final Day
-24 hours remain-
>>511925>There's a real anxiety of being split up into weak warring ethnostates and becoming a western resource colonyIt's not paranoia if they
are out to get you.
>>511925> no one gives a fuck about that. We're already fully dehumanised.Russians are perceived as duped racists and homophobes.
Also communists.
Russia has been the canonical enemy in numerous hollywood films, all of them with an evil le russian accent vodka.
The real Russia doesn't exist for americans. Only the evil cartoon Russia exists.
>>511937I don’t think you understand
Now they want the Russian Federation to be carved up too
>>511947First off, nice trips.
Secondly, can you or anybody here state what they think the possible lines of attack the west is actually likely to go? Are we (for example) going to avoid hot war and just infiltrate Russia, force a coup or assassinate putin? Things like that.
>>511955for now prolly more of the same (color revolutions, funding ngos and shit, sanctions, seprating europe and russia politically and economically, militarizing border nations to finish encirclement), but the ukrainian shit was kind of their last easy play on that front, we will see how it end up. And they want to focus more on china too.
they will prolly have to wait for putin to die or some major card reshuffling to try anything more direct
In a statement about the recognition of independence of the so-called "People's Republics" of Donetsk and Luhansk by the Russian government, as well as the anti-communist, nationalist remarks of President Putin, the Communist Party of Turkey (TKP) points out:
>"Imperialism is an order of destruction and war. For every bourgeois government that tries to get an upper hand for itself in this rotten order and to expand its sphere of influence, it also means that it aims at the oppression of other peoples. The crutches of expansionist policies are nationalism, racism, and chauvinism. This is the meaning of Putin’s statements made yesterday on the recognition of the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.
>The words of Putin, who slandered Lenin, the leader of the Bolshevik Revolution, and the Soviet Union, in which the most egalitarian and peaceful nations policy has ever existed, with unfounded judgments, are unacceptable. His arguments lack historical basis and are completely demagogic. We cannot ignore the system of exploitation and warmongering/nationalist delusions that condemn the working people in Russia to poverty, just because Putin wishes to express his twenty-first century monarchic "fantasies".
>We will not allow the competition of distorting historical facts to pass, in which Russian Federation, which embarked on "great power" shows by building on the economic, political, military and cultural heritage of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, is not behind the USA and its allies. We will not allow the history of the 20th century, written by all the oppressed of the world, the proletarians, the 1917 October Revolution, the revolutions in China, Vietnam, Cuba and other countries, the wars of independence, the great victory of the Soviet peoples against fascism, to be distorted by the US and European imperialists, NATO gangs, neo-fascists in Ukraine and Poland, but also not by Russian nationalism.
>This statement of Putin has also been an indisputable proof of how he abused the prestige of the Soviet Union, especially the victory of the Second World War, in a hypocritical way for his own demonstration of strength. These demonstrations, which lack any credibility and sincerity, are a reflection of his tsarist aspirations, moreover, they are an exploitation of the legacy of the USSR. Putin can only be right about the following: Today's Russia, which has imperial ambitions, has nothing to do with the Soviet Union, which has been the advocate of peace, equality and progress for seventy years on behalf of the working peoples of the world.
>The main reason for the suffering of the working people of Russia, Ukraine and other ex-Soviet countries today is the absence of socialism. The protests launched by oil and energy workers in Kazakhstan just a few weeks ago to express their demands which spread throughout the country, as well as the unresolved border problems revealed by the war in Karabakh last year are mere indicators of this. The peoples of the former Soviet Union republics are trying to live under the threat of unemployment, poverty, reaction, discrimination and war. As a result of the villain attempts of those who built today's capitalist Russia over the dissolution of the Soviet Union, a large part of the world has turned into a region always prone to provocations.
>Of course, the USA's provocations for years in order to restore its declining hegemony, to revive the Western alliance aiming to impose its own interests have played a decisive role in these developments. The desires of the USA and NATO, which have been people’s enemies for more than seventy years and have been the leading actors in the disintegration of countries, the destruction of precious assets of people and cities, to encircle Russia have paved the way for today's conflicts. Those who fabricated hostile nations and puppet states from the ruins of former Yugoslavia can have no right to say a word about the territorial integrity, sovereignty, and diplomacy rights of Eastern European peoples, let alone being their protectors.
>Moreover, this process has made the internal contradictions of the Western alliance more visible, and it has clearly revealed that there is no principle or trust between these actors. The absence of a socialist axis and the dissolution of the Soviet Union have an absolute role in “lack of principles” becoming the norm in international relations.
>The contradictions or bargains between the imperialists and the acts they call as the “balance of power politics” can in no way serve for the benefit of peoples. This is also true for the position of the Erdogan government, which is trying to make use of the situation, raising nationalism at home, and looking for a new economic and political route abroad, and the bourgeois opposition of Turkey that expects democracy from NATO.
>The prospect of an extremely dangerous and devastating war for all peoples in the region is extremely high and concerning. All communists and peace lovers have a burning duty to prevent this possibility from realization.
>Communists do not speak the language of nationalism, racism and militarism, but the language of the demands of the working people for equality, freedom and fraternity!"
>>511977b-but putin said bad on lenin
everything else is irrelevant
>>511699>Reminder nothing has happened.The Donbass and Luhensk People's republics have been recognised by Russia, Syria, Venezuala and Cuba. That's hardly nothing.
>Reminder if you're defending Putin you're an anti-communist fascist and would be a white guard in 1919 and would justifiably be executed by the Bolsheviks, mercilessly.Hardly anyone seems to be doing that in this thread. Putin's a means to an end to ensure the protection of these seperatist republics who have been assaulted and persecuted by the fascist armies of the Ukraine. He's an oligarch and a tool of Russian Reactionaries, but this can at least lead to the collapse of the US and a defeat of NATO.
You want to embrace revolutionary defeatism, fine. But I don't think we should completely dismiss the chance that these russian seperatists can make a name for themselves.
>Reminder that the proletariat has no country and that Marxism-Leninism is our lodestar for communism.<outdated 20th praxis for 21st century material conditions will save us guise. Ideological dogma and elitism will get you nowhere. Read Ocalan and Cockshott.
>Reminder that the bourgeoisie deserve to be exterminated.To that we can agree.
>Reminder that if you're anti-Lenin, you're pro-nazi.We're not "anti-lenin" we're just anti-you.
>Reminder that fascists are cannon fodder for the bourgeoisie.Fair.
>Reminder that Ukrainian communists need help.Then cover the Communist parties of Luhensk and Donetsk, as they have the same mandate as the Ukranian communist party.
>>511975do right wingers really think amerika is going to war with russia lol
>>511997how is porky going to quake in his boots when wars are meant as a temporary fix for capitalisms constant decay
>>512003Wars that result in setbacks for the unipolar imperialist system open people's eyes to how ridiculous it is.
Trump was good because it showed everyone what a sham American "democracy" and institutions are.
Covid was good because it showed everyone how capitalism will literally throw the poor upon the altar of capital to preserve its profits.
NATO getting cucked in Ukraine is good too. It shakes up the status quo just like Gavrilo shooting Franz Ferdinand ushered in the Soviet Union and the deaths of stagnant empires.
>>511967they think their support means jack shit. how cute hahahahahahahaahahahahahahah
if anyone here thinks their support means anything, just know that it doesn't. hahahaahahahahahahahahaahah
you are powerless.
you cannot control this situation.
your commentary is worthless.
>>511988>You want to embrace revolutionary defeatism,Leninhat doesn't know that Lenin later on threw away that awful tactic, and the only one who used was Trotsky telling to the communists Frenchs to surrender to nazi invasion.
>We're not "anti-lenin" we're just anti-you. kek, he's such a pseud.
>>512002wut?
>>512011>open people's eyes to how ridiculous it isyeah, a decade after everyone was supporting it
remember everyone was in support of the iraq war and the same is happening now
you think people's eyes are "being opened" because youre only exposed to fucking imageboards and niche political circles on twitter, but the average person wants russia to pay
>>770876(me)And moreover, faggots like Voosh and those screeching about Putler are just like the German SPD, British Labour and French "socialists" that went all-out shilling for their respective governments and promising not to strike, supported war measures, etc.
None of the empires fighting WW1 were progressive forces, just as neither Ukraine nor Putin are socialist, and yet that war resulted in a dramatic change in geopolitics.
>>512017The average person is a politically illiterate retard.
>>512016>have no business getting involved in thiscan't read past this sentence. If you start with a lie in the first sentence already, nothing guarantees me to not believing I am not wasting time reading it. I prefer to waste time pointin out how pointless is.
>>512015What that has anything to do with
>>512010?
>>512028Kek
They had half their navy taken without any resistance in 2014, and their navy chief defected. They have a single frigate and corvette.
>>512022>can't read past this sentence.you probably should have.
>If you start with a lie in the first sentence alreadyi don't understand. are you just unfamiliar with what the turn of phrase "has no business" means? even ignoring the fact that i think you misunderstood, why would you assume i'm lying about an opinion i have?
>>512036And these Russian seperatist republics have their own communist parties. If they do become their own seperate nations, they have the chance to become socialist. It's not a guarantee, and I'll be honest, I'm being grotesquely optimistic, but there's still a chance that these two republics can form a genuine people's movement.
>>512035Take your time, fam.
>>512033niqqa he weights two options: Or behave like Israel killing Arabs or behave like Europe exploiting their labor in a rhetorical question implying none of those are a solution when he tries to craete a philosophical third way.
Do you have brain cancer?
>>512037The right likes Russia in the same way they like Israel. Both are mostly conservative states who are tough on the gays and darkies on the border.
They want to fight Iran and china, fighting Russia is a liberal project.
>>512051what a retard, honestly
and no wonder Lenin wiped the floor with her in their debates about the topic
>>512042How the fuck is that your read beyond wishful thinking since you’re simping for Russia? He says integrating them isn’t an option, then says they have to fortify the borders because Israel failed to former a “democracy” by allowing outsiders
I this the levels of self-delusion Putin shills need to resort to when simping for a porky that denounced Lenin and Marxism on Monday?
>>512059US ain’t gonna go to war with Russia over Cuckraine
I doubt even Europe will, and I’d only be worried if I was European
>>512059Is that you, John Wayne?
>>512064They're gonna let you out of training and send you as a volunteer to the Azov battalion then, kek.
>>512063Russia will re-occupy the territory of the officially accepted republics. They will cross the ukrop border if they misbehave and retreat when the cleanup is done. The west will screech, some nato troops will be killed.
so far this is my prediction
I've seen a whole bunch of articles about a Russian list of demands for refusing the Ukraine tensions before the recent developments, for instance
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59696450Has anyone got the list? None of the articles produce a list, at least that I could find. Some articles indicate a demand or two but I would like the actual point-by-point list that Russia provided.
>>512040Got ya. Since you didn't specify which source you wanted, I bring both points:
Lenin retracting this revolutionary defeatism.
Starting with the first part:
In this link he underlines his position about this misslabeleb revolutionary defeatism (note the date)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/aug/x01.htm>From the viewpoint of the working class and the toiling masses of all the peoples of Russia, the defeat of the tsarist monarchy and its army, which oppress Poland, the Ukraine, and many other peoples of Russia, and foment hatred among the peoples so as to increase Great-Russian oppression of the other nationalities, and consolidate the reactionary and barbarous government of the tsar’s monarchy, would be the lesser evil by far.Which was a comment on what communists should do, and was interpreted by Trotsky as a form of let's do nothing, or "not victory nor war"
Two years later he criticizes this 'do nothing' strategy:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/feb/29b.htm
>What is the substitute proposed for the defeat slogan? It is that of “neither victory nor defeat” (Semkovsky in Izvestia No. 2; also the entire Organising Committee in No. 1). This, however, is nothing but a paraphrase of the “defence of the fatherland” slogan. It means shifting the issue to the level of a war between governments (who, according to the content of this slogan, are to keep to their old stand, “retain their positions"), and not to the level of the struggle of the oppressed classes against their governments! It means justifying the chauvinism of all the imperialist nations, whose bourgeoisie are always ready to say—and do say to the people—that they are “only” fighting “against defeat”. “The significance of our August 4 vote was that we are not for war but against defeat," David, a leader of the opportunists, writes in his book. The Organising Committee, together with Bukvoyed and Trotsky, stand on fully the same ground as David when they defend the “neither-victory nor-defeat” slogan.
>On closer examination, this slogan will be found to mean a “class truce”, the renunciation of the class struggle by the oppressed classes in all belligerent countries, since the class struggle is impossible without dealing blows at one’s “own” bourgeoisie, one’s “own” government, whereas dealing a blow at one’s own government in wartime is (for Bukvoyed’s information) high treason, means contributing to the defeat of one’s own country. Those who accept the “neither victory-nor-defeat” slogan can only be hypocritically in favour of the class struggle, of “disrupting the class truce”; in practice, such people are renouncing an independent proletarian policy because they subordinate the proletariat of all belligerent countries to the absolutely bourgeois task of safeguarding the imperialist governments against defeat. The only policy of actual, not verbal disruption of the “class truce”, of acceptance of the class struggle, is for the proletariat to take advantage of the difficulties experienced by its government and its bourgeoisie in order to overthrow them. This, however, cannot be achieved or striven for, without desiring the defeat of one’s own government and without contributing to that defeat.
>Those who stand for the “neither-victory-nor-defeat” slogan are in fact on the side of the bourgeoisie and the opportunists, for they do not believe in the possibility of inter national-revolutionary action by the working class against their own governments, and do not wish to help develop such action, which, though undoubtedly difficult, is the only task worthy of a proletarian, the only socialist task. It is the proletariat in the most backward of the belligerent. Great Powers which, through the medium of their party, have had to adopt—especially in view of the shameful treachery of the German and French Social-Democrats— revolutionary tactics that are quite unfeasible unless they “contribute to the defeat” of their own government, but which alone lead to a European revolution, to the permanent peace of socialism, to the liberation of humanity from the horrors, misery, savagery and brutality now prevailing.He slams the bad use of defeatism as a way of returning to the pre-war era, because precisely is used by the imperialists to do the war without having any posture against their own ruling classes.
This is a particularly good essay on the topic, that it is in marxists.org, too:
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2017-07-26/lenin-and-myth-revolutionary-defeatism-hal-draperThe part in which Trotsky worked to implement defeatism alongside the nazis was in the Moscow trials:
<Pavliukov and The 1937 Trial Transcript Compared >This summary of Radek’s confession of December 22, 1936 is consistent with Radek’s testimony at the January 1937 trial. In fact Vyshinsky read a brief quotation from this very confession in his opening statement at the trial:>For example, the accused Radek, confirming Pyatakov’s testimony, testified during examination on December 22, 1936, that one of the points of the agreement reached between Trotsky and the representatives of the German National-Socialist Party was the obligation>“. . . during Germany’s war against the U.S.S.R. . . . to adopt a defeatist position, to intensify diverse activities, particularly in enterprises of military importance … to act on Trotsky’s instructions agreed upon with the German General Staff.” (Vol. V, p. 152) (1937 Trial 10-11)<Romm to Vyshinsky in the trials>to undermine confidence in Stalin’s Five-Year Plan, in the new technique, and in that way, to undermine confidence in the Party leadership.Emphasizing the necessity of extreme measures, Trotsky quoted the Latin proverb to the effect: “What medicine cannot heal, iron will heal, and what iron cannot heal, fire will heal.” I remember that, somewhat perplexed, I suggested that this would undermine the defence capacity of the country at a time when, with the accession of Hitler to power, the danger of war, and particularly the danger of an attack on the U.S.S.R. by Germany, was becoming particularly acute. To this question I did not get a comprehensive reply, but Trotsky hinted that it was precisely the growing acuteness of the war danger that may place defeatism on the order of the day
Defeatism, if anything, is an invention hyped by Trotskyites whenever is convenient to support their political ambitions, siding with even nazis. And leninhat when talks about revolutionary defeatism, which was used stupidity by other factions, he doesn't acknowledge that Lenin fought against deviations of his words. He, rather ghastly, instead of assuming a defeatist position in the U.K., and starting to do what revolutionaries, do sabotage their own governments in war-time, assumes revolutionary defeatism is the 'neither with Russia neither with NATO' in his jibberish.
>>512099I've always found this area of the economy mysterious and intriguing growing up, this line of work isn't really talked about that much in the mainstream, but the functions of the job role has quite a big impact on the economy and current events, (vice-versa too).
>>512106>What's the mood like among your coworkers?The overwhelming majority are fine and seem like ok people, you do get a few assholes or dog-eat-dog type of people. Funny enough the bosses actually seem nicer than my co-workers. They work less hours and are slightly more laid back.
>Do you have a feel for the political orientation of both?Politics wise, everyone is quite time. The workplace varies from mainstream liberal to mainstream-conservative. With many of the younger employees being more liberal and the senior employees leaning more conservative. Usually the older ladies, seem liberal. So far, I have yet to meet anyone with "surprising" political views that you would find from non-normies. Also, many just appease to whatever views they think are beneficial to "fit in" i.e. corporate values and culture.
>>5121249 Ukrops dead for a hill that will get blown to bits very soon
BRAVO ZELENSKY
>>512058>He says integrating them isn’t an option>source: my assIn reality, the Russian state keeps bringing back from Syria the Muslim children of the fathers attracted by the isil lying them under the pretext of funding the big islamic nation and killed.
He is setting a third way of political thinking in that regard. Keep seething braindead troll.
Per NOTAM, flights by civil aircraft are now restricted inside Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1496667700151599107?s=20&t=iPQC0O12CoopxK5SZnIVAQSaw several tweets of flights turned away from Ukraine airspace
>>512133ANOTHER round-table of "I'm not mad, just disappointed"?
They'd better give Kenya the mic again.
>>512148It's Ukraine territory
Russia has no claims to it, I'm poorly informed tho new to this just my understanding do own research
>>512122>>511846Артиллеристы, Путин дал приказ!
Артиллеристы, зовёт Отчизна нас!
>>512175Why'd he come back?
>>512174facts
Politico
https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1496675454908084228?s=20&t=zoVJBI2mFDrrEJXhW51nLgRubio is a glow nig but he's also Vice Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee
So this is like blinken talking kinda
>>512207literally what other countries are there to join NATO?
finland? those uyghas literally joined the nazis
>>512214DEF CON 2, repeat,
DEF CON 2,
DEF CON 2, this is not a drill,
DEF CON 2.
>>512228Based, bomb the shit out of Kiev too
America set the precedent so it's ok
>>512239>westphalian security architectureThe Westphalian Peace after the Thirty Year's War is generally considered the birth of international law and a modern diplomatic system.
>international hamiltonian credit systemThat however is a LaRouche meme.
>>512258this
i live in kramatorsk and nothing ha
>>512248No this is historical moment we should archive this thread when it's done
Also
shits uncontrollably >>512274link or anything?
I'm shiting myself rn
>>512291playing Russia in HOI4
I fucking hate my life
>>512295Wait, seriously
Did Russia really had the list of Ukrainian nazis to kill first
>>512327ARISE ENORMOUS MOTHERLAND
ARISE FOR DEADLY WAR
AGAINST THE DARK FASCIST ARMIES
AGAINST THEIR CURSED HORDES
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