TO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexacFor Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
QRD
"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin says in speech to the nation“
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495832687227068422Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495833069676335104“PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S ADMISSION TO NATO IS A DIRECT THREAT TO RUSSIA'S SECURITY || NATO TRAINING CENTRES ESTABLISHED IN UKRAINE AMOUNT TO NATO MILITARY BASES“
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1495840775082737664Putin says Ukraine is a "U.S. colony" with a "puppet regime"
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495840971208429568“Russia claims Ukraine invaded Russia and says 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two APCs destroyed near Rostov.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495745864320831492Putin, in televised address on Ukraine crisis, talks about a "nationalistic virus" says 1991 collapse of Soviet Union saw Russia robbed
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1495834881028411393“Putin: "Why did we have to transfer the rights to the territories that had been part of the Russian Empire?"“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832267687669763PUTIN SPEECH WAS PRERECORDED:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495775697121517570Russia & Syria officially recognize LNR and DPR
https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495845600834822147Syria recognizing LNR/DPR
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495847706555781123Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua likely to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics shortly
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495850619487371265Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-president-putin-ukraine-break-apart_n_6213d491e4b0ef74d724b3a0"President Biden will soon issue an Executive Order that will prohibit new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in the so-called DNR and LNR regions of Ukraine," Jen Psaki says following recognition by Putin of regions as "independent."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1495858379243282434
>EU leadership @vonderleyen & @eucopresident say that bloc will react with sanctions "against those involved in this illegal act" of recognising Donetsk and Luhansk. >Suggests individual, targeted sanctions: not the big ol' war package that everyone has been talking up for weeks.https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1495853591764082700Communist Party of Russia has just endorsed Putin's call to recognise the DNR and LNR.
Zyuganov: "Look how zealous the Americans and British are now. They forced Ukraine to send almost all its troops to the Donetsk-Luhansk region. More than 100k in a patch of 40-50km."
https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495857447973572610https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-us-biden-sanctions-donetsk-luhansk/>The senior administration official offered a caveat that "Russian troops moving into Donbas would not itself be a new step," since it has had a military presence in the region for eight years. Though Moscow has denied this is the case, "Russia now looks like it's going to be operating openly in that region," the official said. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/21/putin-sends-troops-breakaway-territories-00010447>The official, who requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive issues, wouldn’t call the move an invasion, however, saying “Russian troops moving into Donbas would not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas for the past eight years.”https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082146367/putin-ukraine-donetsk-luhansk>Russian troops moving into the Donbas would not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas region for the last eight years," a senior administration official told reporters on a briefing call Monday evening.EXCLUSIVE (Reuters) Biden administration has prepared export controls to hit Russian companies with alleged military ties and deny Russians access to global technology, including electronics and computers
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1496170434290724878ACTIVE
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https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast>>513007Lenintard sleeps on 21st Century Marxist theorists because he doesn’t want a 21st Century Marxist revolution, he sinks into the pleasant dream of past eras and past movements, farcically draping himself in the clothing of events from a century ago involving people that died before he was even born
In other words, a reactionary 😎
>>513004That account is so clearly ran by super pro Russia people.
It doesn't have any name tied to it, an identity, a website, nothing
It just came out of nowhere posting pro Russia news angled stuff all the time.
I don't support them being censored tho, noone of any view should he censored to me
>>513007Critical support for National
Socialist Germany in its invasion of Poland (Br*tish ally)
Remember socialism has nothing to do with workers, workers power or the DotP. It's all about geopolitics, supporting patriotic billionaires and backing one bourgeois state against another
If you disagree or don't soyface at the thought of millions of proles dying you need to go back to reddit
>>513012First account on the job to report that the asbmilitary account was suspended for 12 hours is a Sputnik reporter (Russia state media)
Then their secondary account retweets it
All signs of this point to me that is a Russia ran account. That's fine! But it's not a random person reporting news, will speculate that's how it blew up so fast in size and viralness
>>513007NATO shills can't be leftists. They are eternal rightists. You're either
FOR or
AGAINST imperialism.
>>513022Millions of proles will die if Ukraine reconquers the breakaway Republics and gets revenge on the separatists
Millions of proles will die if America carves up and colonizes Russia
You cannot trust the Anglo, nor the Yankee
I eat soybeans for breakfast, I drink soy milk with my lunch, I have a soylent shake with my dinner, you are like an infant, I am like the Mountain
>>513023>SaddamAnti-communist backed by CIA
>SerbsAssuming you're talking about Milosevic: fascist gravedigger of Yugoslavia
>Putin>>766584>XiMostly alright
Trump praises Putinhttps://www.rt.com/russia/550312-trump-putin-savvy-donbass/Trump argued that Russia is essentially grabbing territory without serious repercussions, which he said was due to Putin being a “savvy guy.”
“Here’s a guy who’s very savvy, I know him very well…,” Trump said. “Here’s a guy that says, ‘You know, I’m going declare a big portion of Ukraine independent’ he used the word ‘independent.’ ‘And we’re going to go out, and we’re going to go in, and we’re going to help keep peace.”
You’ve got to say, that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. Now, it’s very sad.
Asked by Sexton how the US strategy has gone off course Ukraine, Trump said, “What went wrong was a rigged election, and what went wrong is a candidate that shouldn’t be there and a man that has no concept of what he’s doing.”
>>513046tfw this has just been a big election op to make biden go down in the polls so blump can win
Poor Hunter Biden, where will he get his money from now?
>>513035It was a nothingburger, even I, who was on that camp, thought it was a nothingburger until Putin decided to lose his mind and invade Ukrainian territory and now has his sights on Kiev.
I've switched over to the happening camp because I recognized I was wrong in doubting that Russia would actually make a move. I honestly thought it was just political maneuvering, "standing at the border menacingly" that kind of thing. But nope Russia actually crossed the border and is building bases and shit so it's definitely a happening. This is definitely bigger than that small one week conflict between Russia and Georgia because of the political implications. This is more than a border dispute, it's a national dispute.
I want make it clear I ain't Pro-NATO in fact I'm anti-interventionist all the way. In any case Russia is basically doing an imperialism and playing into US imperialist efforts to isolate Russia so this move hurts Russia more than the US.
These pro Russia right wingers that HATE china are so desperate to imply that china and Russia can be divided and create a usa/Russia alliance that they don't even read what they tweet
I guarantee he skimmed this and thought it said that china is siding against Russia
Literal retard lol
They are unable to COPE with reality they stand with Soros practically on all foreign policy
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1496287531670945797?s=20&t=Peb8CdH-0A5N1JkgfqqORQ>>513060>mfw>>513046He's getting jailed for pushing this, kek.
>>513007It was always implicitly implied. king schizo praising navalny was epic, too.
@MorningConsult
:
Do you support or oppose the U.S. sending troops directly to Ukraine to prevent a Russian invasion, but only as part of a NATO coalition?
% Support/Oppose
Total 59/26
Dem 68/21
GOP 55/32
Ind 53/26
Men 65/26
Women 55/27
Lib 71/19
Mod 59/24
Con 56/36
Feb. 19-20
https://twitter.com/ArgoJournal/status/1496232665166622727?s=20&t=FJXnNrR-5vM19rCGmPou7wDo you support or oppose the U.S. sending troops directly to Ukraine to prevent a Russian invasion, even if other countries do not send troops?
% Support/Oppose
Total 33/53
Dem 42/47
GOP 33/56
Ind 22/58
Men 42/49
Women 26/56
Lib 46/43
Mod 26/58
Con 32/59
>>513076Write Satanic Verses 2 under their names
>>513072I hate them with a deep passion
>>513060So funny. Good post
One thing i have to hand biden on this whole mess, they certainly got one thing i think they wanted out of it: narrative reset.
All the screaming about a russian invasion began right after the Dems voting rights bill got killed in congress. That was basically their last chance at passing any kind of major legislation (Build Back Better had already died weeks earlier). They had nothing left domestically and Biden was facing down the rest of 2022 and upcoming midterms being a lame duck, unable to do anything amid an increasingly negative news environment and angry public. If this Ukraine thing didn't kick off when it did, the last two months of media coverage, and probably the rest of the year, would have all been about how Biden's approval was in the toilet, inflation was rising, all of the pandemic assistance programs were ending (more bills for all!) and all of Biden's domestic agenda was dead. Instead, we got a foreign crisis and a complete reset of the narrative, now it's 24-7 Ukraine and Biden facing down the evil Vladimir.
I guess we'll see how much it helps turn things around, but gotta hand it to him for decisively changing the topic.
>>513058The essence of the matter is that Kochinski detaches the politics of imperialism from its economics, speaks of annexations as being a policy “preferred” by finance capital, and opposes to it another bourgeois policy which, he alleges, is possible on this very same basis of finance capital. It follows, then, that monopolies in the economy are compatible with non-monopolistic, non-violent, non-annexationist methods in politics. It follows, then, that the territorial division of the world, which was completed during this very epoch of finance capital, and which constitutes the basis of the present peculiar forms of rivalry between the biggest capitalist states, is compatible with a non-imperialist policy. The result is a slurring-over and a blunting of the most profound contradictions of the latest stage of capitalism, instead of an exposure of their depth; the result is bourgeois reformism instead of Marxism.
>>513046I mean Putin is making good of the US's election/ran-out-of-wars sperg and Trump knows that Republicans do not support
this particular instance of warmongering, for partisan reasons. So it's on brand for him, really. And an easy sell to anyone who hasn't regressed into a frothing russiagate frenzy, that all that could have been done and can still be done is stop playing chicken with Russia and the problem goes away instantaneously, Russia does their annual posturing military exercises, next. Just the sort of thing he could pass for "deal making", you know the deal of not kicking the beehive or stopping to kick the beehive at some point before the tanks roll over Ukraine.
He's just going over the same script as before, "
I'm an outsider and I wouldn't do the extremely unpopular and offbrand warmongering the current administration is doing" except instead of Obama it's Biden. Is it sincere? Of course not
they are politicians and this being the US, particularly
clowny, but his position wouldn't be so outlandish if not for the assumption that there can't be any ,if completely cynical, opposition to the warmongering once the US revs up the propaganda.
>>513093Putler the dog eater.
He will also invade your house and steal your gf.
>>513113I posted photos of tweets which is what is done in these threads all the time. I didn't do anything "galaxy brained"
You are trying to shame for the post instead of address anything she said there
>>513127You instead choose to keep posting about her in replies instead of anything regarding what she said. You obviously want to discuss her but only to deflect away.
You don't decide to post another topic or discuss something else just reply that she's dumb and no one should read what she tweeted essentially
>>513131I feel like that wouldn't work at this point. If they did that before russia went into donbas it would look strong; but now it will just look like something done after the fact.
>>513135Would the Russians fight? My guess is it end up like China and India, just mocking each other and throwing rocks. No one want ww3 to happen but no one want to back down.
>>513124Tulsi Gabbard should be a warning to any "Leftist" who embraces the Dengist/Duginist "Multipolar" crap. Eventually, you will turn into a Pro-Corporate, MAGAtard, Republican, who is fine with the Safety net being wiped out for the Proles, Tax cuts for the Bourgeoisie and their Corporations, the mass incarceration of the Proles eliminated by the 4th Industrial Revolution and Outsourcing, an invasion of Iran to save "Muh chosen people", and the creation of a De-facto One-Party Crypto-Fascist state in the U$, all so the corrupt Zionist Oligarchs of Putinist Russia can have a sphere of influence for "Much holy Russia" where they can LARP about how important their Gas Station and Brothel with Nukes is, LOL. In the name of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, all the millions who have died fighting for Communism (including those in the ongoing PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru), and all the Billions of Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World, Don't be like this Bitch.
>>513146a normal American
>>513153its a good meme to share with normies, make them understand that Imperialism is not good for them
>>513156>>513156YES >>513160a random dude on the street of an American town
>>513161The meme of "true decomunization" is to funny to not make, also none of this justifies America going to war with Russia, Ukraine is not my problem.
t burger
>>513180the Russian state is a puppet of the Western bourgeoisie that keeps the other EE countries under check
it's not anti-imperialist in any meaningful way
>>513181NTA but
>>513180 never mentioned
RUSSHIAAA.
Weird fixation.
>>513186NATO is only a single, and dying, military instrument of the national booj of the west
>>513188yes they did
>>513191>entire west>national boojintentionally reductive.
Supporting NATOs decline doesn't mean you support Russian oligarchy. Unless you are talking about doing something more than posting. Otherwise it's just moralism
>>513196i mean the cartel of national bourgeoisies of western countries
NATO is just an extremely tenuous alliance, not an entity for itself
>>513189These guys I swear, I need to know what's their endgame. If liberals can't fuck Russia, what makes them believe they can fuck China and even believe Russia will return to the west.
>>513190I am too triggered for that picture. Tell me is a lie.
>>513002Ultras bust a nut when Russia has a proletarian dictatorship but cross their legs when the dictatorship is czarist or oligarchic.
We stan putin on this board. Oligarch or not.
>>513201lol he says that because their politicians never address anything historically speaking in a deep manner.
This is a common thing in USSR/Russian politics from Stalin to the modern day.
>>513220Yeah, man, but they cause a lot of suffering with them.
Holy shit lol. This is top comment on latest tucker video.
Boomers are too dumb to get it but this is widely posted on /Pol/ to say general Patton during ww2 said that they defeated the wrong enemy (Hitler)
https://youtu.be/_yz0AXHWz5E>>513180What I am saying is that centering your entire ideology around taking sides in Inter-Imperialist conflicts and an Orientalist fetishization of "Muh Based Traditional Eastern Capitalists" against "Muh Degenerate Western Capitalists" will ultimately turn you into a Right-wing Liberal (ie. a MAGAtard Conservative Republican) or a full blown Fascist (the Alt-Right/Neoreactionary/NRx degenerates). That is what the entire Pro-Russian/Chinese "Alternative" media (ie. The "Moon of Alabama", "The Saker", "The Unz Review", etc.) is designed to do, take naive "Leftists" (usually demoralized Social Democrat Sanders supporters or Revisionist "Marxist-Leninists") who are vulnerable to the appeals of Vulgar "Anti-Imperialism", and slowly brainwash them, first to support Capitalist, Imperialist, and Fascist states overseas (ie. Dengist China and Putinist Russia), and eventually to support this same ideology at home, the Crypto-Fascist Republicans in the U$.
This is why Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and its strategy of World Protracted People's War (first in the Periphery and Semi-Periphery Countries, and once material conditions deteriorate enough, in the Imperial Core itself) is the only way forward, because it is the highest stage of Marxism that refuses to take sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts or place its faith in the scam of Bourgeois Democracy and is currently waging Protracted People's Wars in India, The Philippines, Turkey, and Peru. DOWN WITH CAPITALISM, LIBERALISM, FASCISM, AND REVISIONISM! DOWN WITH U$, EUROPEAN, RUSSIAN, AND CHINESE IMPERIALISM! LONG LIVE MARXISM-LENINISM-MAOISM! WORKERS AND OPPRESSED NATIONS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
>>513228I'm an American, American Imperialism is my business so I call it out, Chinese and Russian Imperialism will never effect me. Its not my problem. I couldn't care less about it. If I have to fight the Russians in a war it is my business.
>>513230And he is right about that, their is one Slavic nation. Any other claim is CIA propaganda.
For all of the Revisionists in this thread who don't understand how Vulgar "Anti-Imperialism" will turn you into a Crypto-Fascist Reactionary, read this highly informative article from Struggle Sessions
https://struggle-sessions.com/2019/02/28/marcyism-is-crypto-fascism/ .
>>513239I hope not, but then again he went all grayzone schizo on the well, grayzone.
>>513240At this point, with all the warhawk politicians in the states, the nazbol Putinites of the Patsoc Faux Left, the Neocon/state department-bred online "leftists", the neo-fascist far right of Maga world screaming their insane voices into the sky, the only way forward is to stand strong, organize on a local level to resist this wave of insanity and brace for the oncoming crisis wroth by these mad children of the dying capitalist age.
>>513249How big do you think the azov battalion is? 40 million people live in Ukraine
You really write off the whole as being their motives and beliefs?
Give me a estimate of how large you think they are
>>513265I posted this on patriots.win with the most overt pro Russia tone possible to gauge how much they really support putin
I'll check back to see if got upvotes or comments later
>>513284>neonazi vs neonaziWhat's not to love?
Actually it will be RAF airstrikes vs neonazi now, much more effective
>>513286>>513288I mean, on the one hand, sure, Nazis killing each other.
On the other hand, the winners will inevitably be Nazis.
>>513292Plenty of liberals supported the Vietnam war actually. People just have a deformed notion that they massively opposed it.
>>513295He's a Pinochet simp, killing journalists and communists is what he do
>>513245That's not true. Republicans are much more hawkish toward Russia than Democrats and also much more sympathetic towards Putin at the same time. This seems contradictory but it's like they see Putin as a strong leader and that's why America needs a strong leader to get tough with Putin. Trump for example talks about Putin this way and then says "this never would've happened on my watch" because he would be "tougher" on Russia. It's a strength/weakness dichotomy and it follows that America is weak under Democrats.
>>513263What depresses me are the liberals who are like "Trump loves Putin!" while forgetting Trump abrogated the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty which had been signed by Reagan and Gorbachev. That clears the way for the U.S. to reintroduce shorter-range nuclear weapons (which could be installed in Poland for example).
>>513252Yeah, that's another thing, I think there are some forces on the right in the U.S. that would prefer to strike some deal with Russia to turn them against China. That's basically Richard Spencer's viewpoint – he's actually pretty gloomy right now because he doesn't want the "white" countries divided between each other.
>>513226There was a book on this theme that got some attention in mainstream U.S. conservative circles called "Stalin's War" which argued the U.S. should've made peace with Hitler and formed a military alliance against the USSR. It didn't go as far as saying the U.S. should've allied with Hitler but did argue Mussolini and Eastern European fascist states were cool.
>>513305>What communist socieites need is to make sure that Communist Party is not revisionist.Because the structure of communist societies is that "Party decided this - everyone is doing this", and representatives are there to both vote and to enforce. If Party is revisionist, if the only things that are brought up for voting are shitty anticommunist things, those representatives can only follow the Party line. Historically, this structure allowed communists to force all the trots and socdems to fall in line by forcing them into democratic voting, but when trots won the majority via coups and sabotage it was turned against communism itself - but even then it took decades to undo this structure.
So, look at China "tyrannically" eradicating corruption, and take notes.
>>513307COPE, you keep posting that same poll whenever this comes up. Democrats want war much more
This was done 2 days ago
@MorningConsult
:
Do you support or oppose the U.S. sending troops directly to Ukraine to prevent a Russian invasion, but only as part of a NATO coalition?
% Support/Oppose
Total 59/26
Dem 68/21
GOP 55/32
Ind 53/26
Men 65/26
Women 55/27
Lib 71/19
Mod 59/24
Con 56/36
Feb. 19-20
https://twitter.com/ArgoJournal/status/1496232665166622727?s=20&t=FJXnNrR-5vM19rCGmPou7wDo you support or oppose the U.S. sending troops directly to Ukraine to prevent a Russian invasion, even if other countries do not send troops?
% Support/Oppose
Total 33/53
Dem 42/47
GOP 33/56
Ind 22/58
Men 42/49
Women 26/56
Lib 46/43
Mod 26/58
Con 32/59
>>513306If there was an Assange person in ussr gathering all that intelligence about Soviet union and exposing them they'd be put down, rightfully so
Assange is cheered on because of the target he went after
Stalin absolutely would have wrecked his ass
Soon in Russian annexed Ukraine…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN2j07UfGaI XD
Whose Russia going to invade after this? Poland?
>>513184This is basically the Agent Kochinski position. Unapologetic , uncritical support for NATO and full jingoist bloodthirst , but with a side of harm reduction, if they have to preach outside their choir.
It gets even creepier when they start hooting about the "right side of history" to defend US imperialism. But that's whatsocial media politics does to a motherfucker , all about having the right signifiers and belonging.
>>513341Stalin's only real error was persecuting leftists. Were it not for the Great Purge, he would have remained a legend to this day.
Mao fucked up in colossal magnetudes.
>>513347>>513348>>513349Speaking of which, pic related. Bonus Agent Kochinski humiliation.
>>513365Apparently Russia entered troops into LPR and DPR? I don't quite follow the events. Also, Russia recognizes CONSTITUTIONS of LPR and DPR, and those claim entire Donetsk and Luhansk regions as theirs.
Also, China is rolling out sanctions onto US military manufacturers at this point in time, as well as China supported or at least not opposed Russia's actions, so communists are supposed to see this as a good development. Amongst the fucking obvious thing of protecting civilians against fascistic ukrainian military hellbent on eradicating separatism through the force of arms.
>>513364Also.
Western media was never much to begin with, but this is such an abyssmal display it can be considered a qualitative change. You could generally expect it to speak truth – with a million lies of omission and written abd presented in a manner designed to be as biased as possible, but at least you could generally expect it to not just plain make shit up. Now it's wworthless, no better than a banana dictatorship's State-owned news agency.
>>513363True but Palestine is a partly recognized state. Note that I'm talking about international laws and power relations here not my feelings or my philosophy about that.
>>513365I was talking about Crimea
>>5133761) They have just halted it.
2) As a Russian I fully support this move, fuck these parasitic warmongering gassuckers.
>>513373They are engaging in farce, that’s why
They are adopting the SYMBOLS of historical fascists, that does not make them the historical fascists
Remember one of Marx’s oldest understandings, building off Hegel’s half formed understanding of historical figures and events appearing “twice”, Marx understood that, in fact, they do not, a historical event occurs only once, those people who come after, in a new series of events, in a new history, drape themselves in the costumes of what came before
America’s founders LARPed as Ancient Greeks and Romans and tried making a society that had an appearance similar to them, the Nazis LARPed teutonic knights and those same ancient societies to a degree, modern MLs (in the West) LARP as the bolsheviks, modern fascists LARP as the Nazis; yet these people are not who they dress up as
>>513381And this makes them the historical Nazis in what way?
I did not deny that they are fascists, I denied that they are who they claim to be, which they are not
>>513385None of that makes them historical Nazis, if it makes it easier to give full uncritical support to Russia in pretending that Azov are the historical Nazis the way Azov does then all power to you, but they’re still just farcically draping themselves in the cloaks and costumes of the past
Lear mostly sucks, but he had a good point when he pretty humorously called out the farce of some boozed up zoomer/millennial street punks with second-hand US arms pretending to be the Wehrmacht going to fight some equally boozed up boomers/millennials pretending to be the Red Army
The war is real, the costumes the two sides are wearing is a farce, and the reality is that, rather than a world spanning age defining conflict between fascists on the one hand and communists on the other that spans the whole of Europe and concludes in half the continent being communist and fascism being destroyed; for nearly a decade it’s just been a civil war in a single country where each side is a proxy for a larger imperialist entity and the battlefield itself is a puppet of the World Empire and if it actually DOES spill into a continent-wide conflict (unlikely) it will be between capitalist powers themselves all farcically referencing WWII with the end result not being communism and social democracy taking over the entire continent, but likely a contemporary form of fascism springing forward in most of Europe, and that’s assuming it wouldn’t become a world war which it probably would; and when it’s all over everyone (if anyone’s left) will look back and say “wow, that wasn’t like WWII at all)
>>513383And Israel arms neo-Nazis and has for decades, it’s all a farce mate
>>513408"I hate this antiputin man because of his islamophobia so I'm not going to read his thoughts about Muslims"
Nice
>>513417Ortega is doing good indeed, one of the few countries for which I'm optimistic about (together with Bolivia).
>>513421We have literally 0 strong vanguard parties in anywhere on the planet at the moment outside of Cuba China Dprk Vietnam and Laos.
Not 3, not 2, not 1.
Zero.
>>513228I don’t see how you can possibly be a Maoist if you believe in Kautskyist nonsense like “ultra-imperialism”
I don’t see how you can believe conditions can degrade enough in the imperial core for people’s war to be possible if you also believe that the imperial core is not and will not lose their grip on neocolonized territories nor that ecological collapse either is occurring nor poses a threat to the imperialist order
Willpower is not enough
>>513453>There’s also a lot of evidence debunking nuclear winterPray tell, what evidence?
Is it the fact that nuclear winter didn’t occur from the only two automatic bombings to target civilian infrastructure?
That it didn’t occur due to nuclear tests which are incomparable to a nuclear war?
That blowing up fossil fuel plants in a single part of the world didn’t cause the skies to darken all over the world during the Iran-Iraq War?
>>513453And…why the fuck are you cheering on half of the proletariat dying anyway? Why do you assume socialism would proceed, what, because only socialism could follow capitalism in your deluded mind? Why wouldn’t society just start over from a new point of barbarism? Why would le working class take over following a full scale nuclear bombardment instead of military men to simply create a new feudalistic era among the ruins?
There is literally no reason to believe “socialism” follows nuclear war other than wishful thinking on your part.
>>513443You sound very dogmatic, as if to you a planned economy was supposed to be the end of history/last man shit.
You're thinking of "command economy" where a central body has direct control over production and distribution of goods, prices control being one method thereof. Planned economy means goods are produced and distributed according to a conscious will rather than a heuristic process. Corporations lobbying for favourable regulations or contracts are an example of conscious control of a liberal economy. Every economy is planned in a way or another, to a certain extent and in a more or less centralised fashion. Total anarchy of production and total command economy both only exist on paper. One can even argue that advanced liberal economy have more de facto planning thanks to modern bureaucracy and information technology.
China doesn't use a planned economy of the kind of the kind of the Soviets and other 20th century states, China has a reinvigorated conception of a planned economy. They have 5-years-plan. They plan around the market. It used to be less planned but nowadays it has gone back to almost Mao-era planning (not that that is a bad or extraodinary thing, as China has developed its means of production is making a transition to being a full-fledged socialist economy)
How does it differ? Well, the amount of state-owned enterprises would be a good starter. That and the fact that is being planned towards long-term plans (2020 moderate Socialist society, 2049 overcoming the primary phase of socialism and being a full-fledged socialist economy, etc)
Stay foaming at the mouth.
>>513445yes lmao
learn history
>>513458What the fuck is revolutionary about an inter-imperialist war with nuclear weapons in your mind?
This is literally Heaven’s Gate tier
You know who has the best shot of coming out unscathed in a nuclear war?
Hint: It definitely isn’t the people who don’t have access to bunkers, arms, mass grain storage, AI to run things, and military command structures
This is literally on par with evangelicals saying climate change is fake because the world can only end when Jesus comes back, is communism your Christ?
>>513451He simply should read more.
I think he just has got stuck in Gonzalo cringe.
He should read Sison to start.
(Assuming he wants to stay a Maoist)
>>513475So what would be the alternative to Putin?More Putin?
Bleak as fuck.
>>513475>nooooooo you should never make alliance with liberalsretard
I would like to see proofs for you statement that they supported memorial but the reason why some people defended Memorial was that they were defending political prisoners and not because of their works repressions, lol
>>513491Read the first thing on the page jumping into my eyes
>socialists and anarchists resisting bolsheviksYep, seems about right.
>>513504<StrawmanExplain -with theory-
the difference betwee you and liberals.
>>513509Chinese Communist Party surely doesn't and it were
North and South American MLMs debating if killing gays revolutionary.
>>513507>Memorial Foundation literally has a separate project aiming at debunking "left = death, sovok and repressions" myths.<talks about leftists resisting bolshevismSee this shit? See? It's not debunking any myths at all.
>>513510> KPRF> anti-stalinismYes. Zyuganov says this, every party functionary says this. And voters aren't ever taken into account.
>>513520Also
>Nike kits<Hammer and sickleAstonishing
>>513514>KPRF often opposes slandering of Great Leader Joseph.How are they oppose slandering by admitting to everything Khruschev accused Stalin of, lol? Use your brain. Those people look like clowns, they don't defend Stalin at all, they just spread anti-stalinist myths under the guise of defending history.
>>513516Cult of personality claim was first used by stalinists against "dear Nikita Sergeevich" and then "dear Leonid Ilyich". Those fucks were writing in their names into history books at every opportunity, forced a cult of personality centered around themselves as a means of achieving political weight.
>>513524And now modern western tankoids gleefully embrace a cult of personality for Stalin in which all criticisms of Stalin come from “liberals” or “fascists” unless the criticism is that he didn’t purge hard enough or didn’t try to conquer Western Europe
Why tf would I care if Russian Stalinists were originally against it regarding other people when western tankies give into blind worship and basically act like Stalin is a replacement father figure or religious symbol or some shit
>>513535>>513529When Russia lost communism it created the greatest drop in life expectancy in a nonwar situation ever recorded. When China did, life expectancy continued to rise. Understanding the difference means you're not a communist.
t. brainlet purists
>>513530See this shit? Communists like this are the ones Western propaganda fucking craves. They just take spit on the chin and wears it proudly.
>>513532>>513533>>513534It's not me who believes in Stalin losing the war until Zhukov saved him, and that Stalin killed 700k people in 2 years via overzealous NKVD people. I mean, it's funny, isn't it? According to archival evidence, Stalin both didn't know about Yezhov killing innocents and in the folder we learn that Stalin was signing "raising the limits on shooting". Something doesn't add up, isn't it
>>513536The exist in:
>Peru (a few hundreds)>Ecuador (a few dozens)>Myanmar (apparently)But most of all on Twitter, where they truly shine /s
>>513548Name a time when this is ever an argument in your favor
Oh wait, it’s when you gotta defend Stalin against *checks notes* actual Russian communists
>>513547This is a more honest perspective, and I appreciate that.
>>513545All socialist system further living conditions, but the inverse is not true.
Imperialist plunder for example can further your living condition (on average, ofc there's a myriad of other things here but just to give a quick example) without constituting socialism.
>>513546>Stalin led the USSR in WWIIYes, he led the USSR in WW2. He saved Soviet Russia under Tsaritsyn TWICE during Civil War, he was the one overseeing expulsion of Whites from Crimea through military means, he was the one who was successful in punishing poles, and then, when Tukhachevsky got himself into trouble, in saving entire Russian army from collapse by charging North. Why the fuck do you think Stalin, who led USSR in WW2, wasn't a fucking genius at war? He had a brilliant military past in Civil War, he had a brilliant track record in WW2.
>bu-bu-but it's a cult!!1It's not a cult if it's factual history, kiddo. Sorry to break it to you, but you only repeat slander against Stalin.
>>513548Everyone. Innocents suffering under communists is such a fucking meme. Lenin first thing first outlawed capital punishment, and under Stalin prison population was lower per capita than under Czars, for fuck's sake.
>>513550>Look what happened in the USSR, Stalin gave these people breathing room and it allowed them to do the Kosygin reforms. Stalin had no fucking time to cleanse the Party properly. It was half-measures all the time due to decade after decade of crisis-management. Whatever Soviets did was nothing short of a miracle.
>>513560If the theory is that all capitalist production across different nations is the exact same, then yes the reality is certainly wrong
>>513557I was trying to be sarcastic. It's perfectly fine for communists to admit that. Doesn't mean it has to get your coveted 'support,' though.
>>513571Nope, my entire personality is pointing it out, your entire personality is actually engaging in it without a hint of self-awareness
>DAE we alienated fringe imageboard using zoomers are the vanguard ackshually cuz we made a Soviet fanclub?Lmao
>>513572Well, take an L then. We started from this
>>513527 >>513531 You started arguing against me calling those people not real communists and stalinists, that KPRF is, in fact, revisionist, khruschevite shit that's anti-Stalin. You just dropped down to pretending that you don't care about splits in communist movement, lol. No, you posted so many times about it that quite clearly you care
>>513561>>513561"Consumer economy"
fuck off capitalist. Socialism isn't made for you to consume. You get what you need. And if you don't fucking like that you can have a bullet in the back of the head, or do labor. This is the problem and has always been the problem, it was the problem in the USSR with Kosygin, the tentacles capitalists use is consumerism. Fuck your consumption.
>>513574Okay my bad it's not your entire personality. Your entire personality is saying like three lines of complaining in the most pseud enlightened student way possible such as
>I don’t idolize or venerate mortal men>*tips fedora*Then you say LE SECOND AS FARCE to seal the deal
>>513583If this is a reference to the book "Let us now praise Famous Men" it's a good post
if it's a reference to the bible it's pleb shit.
>>513578Lmao I don’t give a fuck about any national “hero” of the US, not even the ones other socialists tell me I should like
>>513575I’m not an “anti-communist”
You can be a communist without being some dumbass LARPer soyfacing over the USSR every minute of every goddamned day
Like, look at how people are seething at the Russian communist party because, what, they said Stalin took the purges too far? This is the nonsense that riles you people up? Seriously?
Besides, since when was this a tankie board where we all get in a big faggot fap circle for the first two leaders of the USSR, whine about all the other ones, and then discuss almost nothing else? I know tankoids hate to hear it, but leftists actually do exist outside of your circlejerk.
Tankies aren’t “mean” or “evil”, they’re a joke
>>513579This the sort of shit that makes even third worlders not care for you
>>513557>All socialist system further living conditions, but the inverse is not true.Capitalism has a roof over what it can achieve in furthering living conditions. That's in the nature of capitalist production and distribution. That's an insurmountable obstacle to it's development. The most obvious one - workers not interested in the product they make, not enough willingness to work, too much risks of such productions causing price inflation, etc etc. In short, without socialism it's impossible to have Chinese levels of growth. Or Soviet levels of growth. Or Eastern Europe restoring itself faster than Western Europe. Fascist Spain lost an edge over Eastern Europe during that time, ffs.
>Imperialist plunder for example can further your living conditionNo, it cannot. All the profits go to the bourgeoisie. Whatever you win from them is furthering your living conditions not through imperialist plunder.
Workers fight for bigger compensation for their work, they fight for bringing price of goods equal to the costs of producing those goods. When all goods are produced like this, it will be full socialism. If there's no profit whatsoever, it's a fully socialist production.
>>513590Really reminds me of
>socialists resisting bolshevismmentioned earlier in this thread, huh
>>513592Nobody will ever admit fault or apologize for such blatant disinformation, it's fucked up. Instead I see redditors and stuff mad when someone shushes them over their bloodlust
>NOOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T MAKE UP DEHUMANIZING SHIT ABOUT THE SUBHUMAN SLAVOIDS, THEY DID LE OTHER BAD THING!!It's the same thing with "le ruskis are gonna shell Kiev and rape all the womens"
>>513603kill yourself
>>513605he should send your ass down a mine shaft lel
>>513597Now we have gonzaloites.
The thread just got more ultra zest lmao.
Is there some news? The only ones I saw was that bombardments are increasing in the republics Russian anti-ukrainian propaganda is something else. Well, it's not official propaganda, it's some artist doing it, but come on.
>>513610Higher development of productive forces + job distribution ala all the higher paying jobs existing in the West and those jobs paying better for services provided, while all the low paying jobs are "transferred" to the South.
>>513463>The only ones getting nuked are European nations without their own nukes.This. Nuclear war is a given, it's going to happen in the near future but that doesn't mean MAD → Armageddon. It just means shorter range nukes to trim the population, establish DMZ's, and counterbalance the falling rate of profit by destroying enormous swaths of land and capital and keeping production focused on war.
>>513615Oh no chapobros how can we ever recover.
>>513618>Also we outsourced our productive capacities, but that was much more recent than imperialismAnd before that… well, let's look at India. Britain straight up destroyed Indian industries, everything competitive to the British industry was undone, everything's left was farming, mining and such, aimed at supplying Britain with resources. Since India consumed a lot of those products before getting it industries destroyed, since demand didn't vanish, Britain also started selling to India those products as well.
Come to think of it, in a way, Britain STOLE jobs from it's colony. What I am talking about is a similar steal - West stealing all the programmer, professor, doctor, lawyer jobs from the Global South. I think it's a way better way of portraying it, isn't it?
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