No.520852[Last 50 Posts]
Red vs Brown Fur edition
TO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexacFor Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
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"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin says in speech to the nation“
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495832687227068422Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495833069676335104“PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S ADMISSION TO NATO IS A DIRECT THREAT TO RUSSIA'S SECURITY || NATO TRAINING CENTRES ESTABLISHED IN UKRAINE AMOUNT TO NATO MILITARY BASES“
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1495840775082737664Putin says Ukraine is a "U.S. colony" with a "puppet regime"
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495840971208429568“Russia claims Ukraine invaded Russia and says 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two APCs destroyed near Rostov.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495745864320831492Putin, in televised address on Ukraine crisis, talks about a "nationalistic virus" says 1991 collapse of Soviet Union saw Russia robbed
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1495834881028411393“Putin: "Why did we have to transfer the rights to the territories that had been part of the Russian Empire?"“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832267687669763PUTIN SPEECH WAS PRERECORDED:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495775697121517570Russia & Syria officially recognize LNR and DPR
https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495845600834822147Syria recognizing LNR/DPR
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495847706555781123Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua likely to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics shortly
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495850619487371265Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-president-putin-ukraine-break-apart_n_6213d491e4b0ef74d724b3a0"President Biden will soon issue an Executive Order that will prohibit new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in the so-called DNR and LNR regions of Ukraine," Jen Psaki says following recognition by Putin of regions as "independent."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1495858379243282434
>EU leadership @vonderleyen & @eucopresident say that bloc will react with sanctions "against those involved in this illegal act" of recognising Donetsk and Luhansk. >Suggests individual, targeted sanctions: not the big ol' war package that everyone has been talking up for weeks.https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1495853591764082700Communist Party of Russia has just endorsed Putin's call to recognise the DNR and LNR.
Zyuganov: "Look how zealous the Americans and British are now. They forced Ukraine to send almost all its troops to the Donetsk-Luhansk region. More than 100k in a patch of 40-50km."
https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495857447973572610 No.520853
THE INFORMATION WARFARE GOES ON
No.520854
WHO WILL WIN THIS EPIC FISTFIGHT
No.520858
I stand with the Ukrainian communists.
No.520860
PICK A SIDE AND UNCRITICALLY SUPPORT IT FOR LIFE
No.520863
A PSYOP JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
No.520864
>>779656
You keep trying to push this meme and it just isn’t true. Nato provocation and encirclement has played a much bigger role in the leadup to the present day events than even muh “Defending Russians”
No.520865
>>520852This thread is cancer
No.520866
>>779656
>noooooo this is only supposed to happen in the sanduyghur countries when NATO does it
>not muh heckin pax mcdonalds
Saddam didn't harbor anyone, the Taliban did, and most of the terrorists were Saudi, a murderous totalitarian Islamic extremist regime that is committing far worse atrocities in Yemen every day than Russia will do in this entire war. Cope, seethe, and rope.
No.520867
cursed thread pic
No.520871
Friendly reminder that the first casualty of war is truth.
No.520872
>>779656
i come from /pol/ to read fucking lefty/pol/ and escape the bs anti-russian spam, and even this place is flooded with shills and redditor cunts omfg
No.520873
>>520868China is virtually guaranteed to step up aggression towards Taiwan
No.520876
>>520872go back and take all the putinist vlasovite chauvinists with you
No.520877
>>520871The Russians did a cyberattack on truth and deleted it from the internet
No.520879
>>779642
>it still makes him unpopular
with who? russians? doubt it
russians just want this ukrainian shitshow to end, if putin manages to achieve this with a relative minor blood he will be more popular than ever
No.520880
No one here is defending Putin
No one here is defending NATO
Everyone's sure the other is in fact defending one
All anyone supports is the weakening of NATO imperialism
Thread after thread of fake debates on fake positions no one actually holds
Reminder the correct line is critical* support for Russia to weaken NATO. Real support is reserved for communist comrades in the region. Real support goes to anti-imperialist praxis class war to end war! We can see the necessity of what Russia is having to do without blind support for the actors involved.
No.520881
>>520874Good thing I don't want to stop the war! :D
No.520882
>>520872It's somehow worse lmao
No.520883
>>520872They weren't here yesterday. Kinda funny how both /pol/ and lefty/pol/ are eager to take the lib pro-nuclear war stance
No.520886
>>520878have a drink every time haz misuses "baizuo"
No.520887
>>520880>No one here is defending Putin lol just lol
No.520889
>>520878Legitimately psychotic.
No.520890
>>520887There's about 3 to 4 putin idiots and that's it
No.520892
Zelensky has magical properties, his jewishness stopped the nazi nature of the ukrainians immediately. America's continued racism is proof Obama is not a Magical Negro.
No.520893
>>520887Anyone serious some here seek enjoyment in getting reactions.
No.520895
>>520868America's suffered from three major embarrassments now, not including drumpf. This, jan 6 and the floyd riots make ameria look weak and ineffectual, especially to it's citizens, hopefully we get more night gang shenanigans in the near future.
No.520896
>>520873Actually sweaty it's the temporarily occupied territories of Zhongguo
No.520897
>>779704
We support putin because putin will fuck over nato and not because we personally like him His policies or etc
>reeeeeee you support putin
No.520898
>>779679
1)He did not and actually tried de escalating the situation multiple times, even invited UN inspectors to prove he didn’t have WMDs
2)Iraq is quite far away from the US and Ukraine is Russia's neighbor. Qualitatively different by that already
3) The WMD story was a deliberate fabrication, I don’t know how many times I’ll have to tell you this.
No.520899
>>520887What did Putin ever do to me? Putin's domestic problems are for a .ru board to discuss.
No.520900
>>520878>Ms Vietnamese and Mr Iraqi love US imperialism… but also they hate the US for no reason! Because US patriotism is good!!Not one coherent thought was found that day.
No.520901
At this rate, Kyiv will fall by midnight in Washington DC. Lviv by the end of Friday.
No.520902
>>779704
>Implying we support him and his philosophy personally and don’t think his successes will materially benefit the communist struggle within Russia and the rest of the world
No.520903
>>520901What rate? Frontlines are frozen for the last several hours. They're napping!
No.520905
>>520901They'll be in the Rhein by next Thursday.
No.520906
>>779710
If Ukraine joins NATA it's only a matter of time until USA tries to coup Putin. You think this is taking place in a vacuum? That there aren't longer-term ambitions for both Russia and the USA at play here? Their goal is to balkanize Russia.
No.520907
>>779719
Then you’re switching goalposts. You acknowledge the US wasn’t justified and now are trying to dl a whataboutism.
Justification also has nothing to do with it. I simply think that if Russia pushes back NATO it would benefit the communist movement in Russia and around the world, in spite of the fact that Putin is an anticommunist
No.520908
For years Ukraine has demanded decommunization, but now that they will have
REAL DECOMMUNIZATION "Modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia, more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began immediately after the revolution of 1917… "As a result of Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called 'Vladimir Ilyich Lenin's Ukraine'. He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archive documents… And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunization. Do you want decommunization? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunization means for Ukraine."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tj7gQbJ5uM No.520909
>>520905we're going based mode
No.520910
>>520897That's critical support we agree then
>>520880 No.520911
>>779723
Yes, pushing back global imperial hegemony is a benefit to the fruition of world communism
No.520912
>>520894Nice try but this is the genius/little bitch trap Putin set up. Now guys like Pepe Escobar are justifying the war as a pre-emptive measure like those Westoid journalists back in 2002. There's definitely a hint of mockery of American led military operations since 1991, it's entirely indefensible and that's the point.
No.520913
>>520908Tired: Lenin was a communist
Wired: Lenin was a German agent
Inspried: Lenin was "Ukrainian"
No.520917
Learn what multipolarity is before posting here.
The largest socialist revolutions occur during eras of high multipolarity as the global bourgeoisie are too divided fighting amongst themselves to pacify revolutions.
No.520918
>>779704
So what, we're on a chan. A happening goes down and it's 99% shitposts, get used to it. If you bothered to read any post longer than two sentences you'd see people being reasonable and nuanced.
No.520919
>>520912Seems like you're not considering Ukraine's nuclear weapons program :^)
No.520920
>>779719
>lies that Russia spreads about the Ukraine provoking them
ukraine literally is was a militarized army barrack country gearing for a war
No.520921
>>520917Also, it stops the internal class contradictions from the counterhegemonic reactionary regimes, who are often ripe for socialism in their own right, from being externalized
No.520922
>>520920Holy shit someone that isn't me in these threads that actually gets it
No.520923
>>520912Somebody should tell him sharts are immune to irony.
Also, according to CNN, the US says Russian forces are less than 20 miles from Kiev.
No.520924
>CNN reporting now the explosion over Kyiv tonight was a Ukrainian SU-27 shot down by Russian anti-air battery in the city's suburbs — not a Russian aircraft.
No.520926
>>520910I was making fun of the other guy who thought people here supported putin because they like the guy and not because they just think he's useful aka critical support
No.520927
>>520873you mean the rebel province of Chinese Taipei?
No.520928
>>520902I don't think his success is going to materially benefit communism. I think NATO managed to just force Russia to waste resources and expose its capacity while expending none of its own whatsoever.
No.520929
>>520924who knows what it is, the fog of war is thick
No.520932
>>520880>All anyone supports is the weakening of NATO imperialism I support the weakening of ALL imperialism, cuck.
No.520933
Man, Ukraine never had a chance.
No.520934
>>520924>>520925OH NO NO NO ACE COMBAT BROS
Literally the last remaining fighter in their air force after one defected with a full unfired missile load and the rest ate shit on the tarmac.
No.520935
>>520924>>520925I doubt this is true. If the Russians had ground based air defence near Kiev, then it's already over.
No.520936
>>520927The rebel province of Taiwan, as well as "Turkestan" and Tibet
No.520937
Yall mother fuckers post so much I can't even get through the last thread without there already being a new thread popping up. Anyways here is too Posadas may the Nukes fly and the Space Comrades come by.
No.520938
>>520932Here is your reddit gold
No.520940
>>520932Multipolarity gets us closer
No.520941
>>520931
lit up the entire sky
No.520942
>>779758
>banned for pointing out that this invasion is as justified as the iraq war
good.
die
No.520943
>>520912What's indefensible? Russia? Again as I said, fuck Russia, and my solidarity goes to the Ukranian people, not their government, as well as the LPR and the DPR.
No.520944
>>520932We all do to… your point? I don't see imperialism fans here.
No.520945
>>520928Nice cope. Nato’s influence still is reduced and the wastage will encourage dissent that isn’t a color revolution
No.520946
>>779758
Your sealioning won’t work. And it’s not about justification, but what we think benefits us
No.520947
>>520935Inb4 it was one of their own.
No.520948
>>520944No you have to have this like indignant posture to oppose imperialism on an image board apparently
No.520949
>>520933Retards who let themselves into this.
The milklady at its finest
No.520950
>>779758
I'm not sure what your ideology is, but that comparison came across like a r/neoliberal shitpost.
No.520951
>>520945How? What wastage? What influence?
No, seriously, what did NATO lose here? A bunch of promises to a group of people they never intended to keep? Russia is fighting just to keep the status quo while NATO gets to just watch Ukranian civilians get murdered holding guns they're being pushed into using.
No.520953
and what's the KPRF stand on this conflict?
I'm guessing they support Putin because they're absolute faggots like that.
No.520954
>>520894Too based for /leftypol/
No.520955
>>520935Russian air defenses have insanely long range but whatever. I'm surprised CNN would go ahead with a demoralizing story like that while its unconfirmed. Someone needs to get that ship in order.
No.520956
>>520939
i think youre right
No.520957
>>520920Do you have more info on this? I don't really know much about what Ukraine was like besides the obvious paramilitaries are fucking around
No.520958
I know there are not a lot of people here old enough to remember Syria. Putin saw what USA tried to do to Assad's government and he's learned from it, he is taking the initiative in order to prevent the same tragedy unfolding in Russia. Moralizing lefty/pol/ libs are literally cheering for a war across all of Russia nd ISIS-like US-backed Chechen groups in the future LOL
No.520960
>>520931>>520924A Russian aircraft has been shot down over the Darnytskyi region of Kiev by Ukrainian Air Defence Forces, according to a source inside the Ukrainian Interior Ministry.
CNN reports that Kiev has been targeted by missile fire.
Anton Gerashckenko, advisor to the Head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, told reporters in a text message: "Strikes on Kyiv with cruise or ballistic missiles continued."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1571661/ukraine-kiev-explosions-russia-attack-aircraft-ont No.520961
How much is Russia going to take?
Just Donbas?
Everything up to Dnieper?
Odessa?
Kyiv?
Lviv?
No.520963
>>520958>Moralizing lefty/pol/ libs are literally cheering for a war across all of Russia nd ISIS-like US-backed Chechen groups in the future LOLW H E R E ?
No.520965
>>520961Putin had most people, including analysts, fooled thinking the buildup was just for intimidation, so nobody really knows.
No.520966
It genuinely seems that Ukraine is holding its own somewhat, The Russians seem to be stalling out
And now the presidency is pressing all men into service and distributing light-arms to militia. So the Ukrainians ranks will only swell in the following days.
If Zelensky chooses not to concede, this could end up being really embarrassing for Putin and the UR if they are forced to force a victory with pure numbers.
Potential for Anti-Putinist activity by non-controlled op commies.
No.520967
>>520961They are going to sail and take little Odessa
No.520968
>>520951if we're looking at the material forces then the vast majority of what NATO spent on this was a few thousand handheld AT missile launchers, while Russia is being forced to lose tanks, jets, men, and, vitally,
intelligence on what NATO has that works and what doesn't.
No.520969
>>520952FSB are saying the area is surrounded just as planned. I think the Ukrainians are getting Ws from probing and pinning attacks and think they're glorious victories lol
No.520970
>>520960>"Strikes on Kyiv with cruise or ballistic missiles continued."but where is the proofs
No.520971
>>520966By all accounts, Russia has not even seriously begun its offensive.
No.520974
>>520968Soooo fucking what? I think you aren't getting it. This is what NATO was meant to stop. This whole invasion. The fact that this is happening means that NATO has failed, completely, in its mission.
No.520975
>>520958>Not wanting capitalist war A means you secretly want hypothetical capitalist war B, C, D through Z to happenREAD UYGHUR READ.
YOU WOULD LITERALLY BE CALLING THE BOLSHEVIKS GERMAN AGENTS. AND ROSA A JUDEO-BOLSHEVIK
No.520976
>>520959>4th picBegorrah… Moderators delete this
No.520977
>>520973talking to yourself is healthy and all but be careful not to turn it into a delusion.
No.520978
Some of you Ukrainians are cool, don't go to Kiev tomorrow.
No.520980
>>520963he's saying that the consequences would be more war in the future but on Russia's turf. I think there is reason to think that, but the invasion beyond donbas was stupid.
No.520983
>>520982Just like when the war started. Predawn attack.
No.520985
>>520974Ukraine wasn't part of NATO in the first place though. They had the option to join up dangled in front of them knowing full well that it was going to fuck them over. And then got rugpulled at the last second.
This is all being done because NATO and especially the US is a decaying husk desperately trying to do anything to buy a few more hours. For what, I don't know.
No.520986
>>520961My money's on either twisting Kiev's arm until they concede, or toppling the whole Ukrainian government and installing a pro-Russia one in its place.
No.520987
I guess Putin was so tired of hearing about Fukuyamaist 'end of history' drivel that he resumed it himself.
No.520988
>>520981The hate speech is rampant, we need USA to intervene for all Irish-Ukrainians immediately
No.520989
>>779828
It's not cope. They haven't even fully mobilized their forces and they have not used their most serious hardware and capabilities, which we KNOW they have. I'm not going to engage in delusions.
No.520990
>>520987By 'it,' I mean resume history itself.
No.520991
>>520989They haven't even sent in all the guys they've mobilized lmao
No.520994
>>520985>This is all being done because NATO and especially the US is a decaying husk desperately trying to do anything to buy a few more hours. For what, I don't know.I dunno, selling weapons, draining Russia's funds, and severing Russia-Europe economic ties so the US can sell to them instead. Not saying it's a smart plan or that it will work though.
No.520995
>>520974Finlandization would have stopped the Russian aggression, but the US called that a 'non-starter'
No.520996
I'm a bit lost, Russia is bombing Kiev but only military infrastructure? Isn't this already a full scale war?
No.520998
>>520996Yes it's full scale war, they haven't added major demands though and aren't even asking for Zelensky to step down, so I think they're expecting a surrender.
No.520999
>>520996Bombing non-infrastructure civilian shit seems like a waste of time and resources to be honest
No.521000
I think Russia's trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible.
It's been mostly surgical so far.
No.521001
>>520996it's full war. they started by doing that to destroy their air force to make way for ground invasion
No.521002
>>521000Yeah only 100 something Ukrainian soldiers died so far.
No.521003
>>520961Putin is going to take over the whole world :O
He is literally Hitler/Napoleon/Genghis/Alexander the Great 2.0 He has gone mad with power and nobody can predict what his next move will be
>>520966They've already lost air superiority the fuck are you talking about?
No.521004
>>520994Possibly. I just don't see how anyone wins any meaningful gains in this situation, just a bunch of imperialists trying to force each other to end up with all the bills as capitalism goes careening towards a violent end.
No.521005
>>521000You know why you dumb western piece of shit? Because Russians and Ukranians are brothers, they know they have to live next to each other after the war is over so of course they aren't going in to pillage and massacre like the US does all over the world. Nobody wants more casualties except seething western libs.
No.521006
>>521003Putler has just declared slavs to be the master race and says they have a divine right to rule all of the world and heavens and seas.
No.521011
>>520966>It genuinely seems that Ukraine is holding its own somewhat, The Russians seem to be stalling outAre you delusional ? Ukrainian defense collapsed a few hours after making contact with Russian forces. And what the Russians have deployed so far seems to be relatively small contingents that seem to be doing special operations stuff, and not a full invasion.
No.521013
Crimean Canal finally flowing with water after 8 years upon Russian takeover, which was essential for Crimean agriculture industry
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1496872217610960896https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Crimean_CanalBefore and after being the peninsula being dried out:
https://twitter.com/shanggyangg/status/1496872346401001479 No.521014
>>520961I think you meant Kiev and Lvov
No.521016
>>520966Dude, you can't just crack open the armories and give randoms guns as a military doctrine. You have to prepare for that shit well in advance and build your military around it like Yugoslavia. All this retardation about him calling veterans back, telling random gopniks to go and grab guns to die in the service of the motherland, it's pure desperation and frankly embarrassing.
Nobody's going to want to die for his shitty government.
No.521017
>>521010
500 hours in blender
No.521018
>>521013tatarchads rise up
No.521019
>>521009Protestantism was a massive mistake
No.521021
>>521010
isn't it funny when libs gaybash because the target is homophobic
No.521022
>>520966This is a terrible analysis and an unlikely outcome. The victory would be in favor of communists, because it pushes back NATO and will fuel dissent in Russia because of the resource wastage and sanctions, but it won’t be because of an advancement that was “blocked” in the first day
No.521023
>>521021>portrayal of homoeroticism is gaybashingmask off
No.521024
>>520966>Potential for Anti-Putinist activity by non-controlled op commies.larping by proxy
No.521026
>>520980>the invasion beyond donbas was stupidI don't. I think its extremely aggressive but it makes sense. The consequences(NS2 and sanctions) for securing Donetsk city, which would require pushing Azov out of the oblast, including Mariupol, are the same as taking Kiev. I think putting in the peacekeepers was a test, and to try to force Ukraine to implement Minsk or fire on Russian troops, and they chose to fire. He either doesn't have control of his forces or he intentionally ordered troops to fire on uniformed and declared Russians.
Zelensky is being instructed by NATO not to surrender to cause more casualties, or he is being personally threatened by the military. Western media is also giving the impression that there is still a chance, in order to sacrifice as many people as possible for long term ethnic tension.
I think Russia tried to do a media campaign with their shock and awe liberation campaign to get a 'bloodless coup' and it worked for a few hours but the media pushback is making people not surrender.
No.521027
Am I being over the top to believe I'm seeing the same opinions that split the 2nd international.
No.521028
>>521023they are surely complimenting him because they love him very much. well baited though my friend
No.521029
>>521005Нихуя не знаешь, ни о хохлах ни о москалях.
No.521030
>>521025
They really thought NATO would back them up and start a nuclear war over fucking Ukraine.
No.521032
>>521016>Dude, you can't just crack open the armories and give randoms guns as a military doctrineNot that Aussie anon, but I'm pretty sure the Red Army and the Black Army may disagree with you on that end, especially when you consider both BTFO of the white army.
This isn't to say I hope for the victory of the Ukranian government either, but there is a chance this can get out of control.
No.521035
>>521026I mean I think you are thinking much too short term. Pushing to Kiev transforms this war into an action on the scale of the US decision to invade Iraq. Think about how much that matters to us still and still informs people's politics and thoughts about the US government and its media and motives.
No.521036
>>521032That is a gross simplification of the actual histories of both the red and black armies
No.521038
>>520974>This is what NATO was meant to stop. And you know what else would have stopped any of this from happening? If NATO accepted Russia as a member state when they requested. Instead of antagonizing Russia and backing her into a corner with no other recourse. This is what NATO wanted. You've made your bed now lie in it.
No.521042
Why is there so much skepticism over Russia annexing parts of Ukraine? Killing the Azov battalion and liberating Donbas doesn't seem like enough to make up for what they'll lose on Nord Stream 2.
No.521044
>>521030That's a classical stockholm syndrome of periphery NATO members. See Baltics, see Poland, the list goes on. They think of the West as their bigger brother instead of their exploiter.
No.521045
>>521039либераха успокойся
No.521046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0iiXiq39sELivestream of Kiev
Anybody else hear choppers and shit in the distance or is that just trucks?
No.521047
>>521032It's a very, very bad idea to put up randos with a gun against a trained and organized military unit. All I can say about that.
No.521048
>>520966>If Zelensky chooses not to concede, this could end up being really embarrassing for Putin and the UR if they are forced to force a victory with pure numbers.The Ukranian military has lost their position in the air and on the sea, their infrastructure has been destroyed and there are Russian troops occupying Kiev. I doubt the Ukranian GOVERNMENT could make a comeback at this point.
>Potential for Anti-Putinist activity by non-controlled op commies.Maybe later down the line, but outside of a few anarchist cells and fledgling communist parties, I doubt they'll have any influence or meaningful resistance as of now.
No.521050
>>521026Pushing back the front lines would be real war and I'm not a military person so I wouldn't know the possibility of doing only that. But this full invasion could end in a very messy fashion and obviously will have terrible diplomatic consequences, as in Finland joining NATO and harsh sanctions. Maybe occupation for a couple weeks.
>>521034anon that is called blackface, it is extremely weird and creepy, something /pol/ would do, please don't do it.
No.521051
>>521045Человече, стебался. Я индус, если что.
No.521053
>>521042They would lose Nord Stream 2 anyway, that's the major goal of the US in all of this. Seems like Putin came to terms with that and said "fuck it then".
No.521054
>>521036>>521043>>521047>>521041Understandable, but to elaborate on what I mean to say is this: didn't the act of "giving guns to randos" lead to the formation of militias? These people were hardly well trained soldiers, and when they were given arms (the red and black armies) did they not form their militias?
No.521055
>>521053This is SOOOO much worse that Nordstrom.
But yes I do agree that US's deterrence strategy was just insanely bad and had the effect of encouraging more aggression.
No.521057
>>521041
>They paid a very heavy price by not being militarily prepared (tossing rifles to random scrubs)
lmao, did you get this from watching Enemy at the gates?
No.521058
>>521026>doesn't have control of his forces I've suspected this for a while but I have nothing to prove it. It's obvious he fears the Nazis killing him, yet they got integrated in the NG. They're obviously throwing their weight around and the executive can't reel them in because they're either incapable or unwilling to for internal political reasons.
No.521059
>>521050>Finland joining NATOI'm thinking more about places like Estonia calling article 4. I think they are going to be very disappointed with the response they get.
No.521060
>>521053That's what I mean. Why not take everything up to the river if the west is going to burn ties with him and kill Nord Steam anyway? Kyiv can rule over a landlocked rump state that is scared into submission.
No.521061
>>521054You generally take people in and try to process them somewhat so they're capable of at least not getting killed in 0.01seconds on a modern battlefield.
No.521062
>>521032Here's an instance of it in real life that was posted in the last thread which everyone seems to have forgotten:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_Civil_War#Looting_and_opening_of_weapon_depots No.521063
>>521060Kiev cannot be allowed to rule the remainder of Ukraine, they will just bide their time and build up another anti-russian regime. Russia needs to install a friendly government in Kiev and rewrite Ukraine's constitution to forbid having any military forces and forbid any foreign alliances.
No.521065
>>520916And knowing this site we will donate 5% to Ukraine and then 10% to Russia to help them fight imperialism.
No.521066
Reports of Russian tank spearhead moving towards Kiev from Chernobyl. They’re meeting resistance by in Ivankiv, 30 miles northwest of Kiev, where Ukrainians have blown a key bridge.
No.521067
>>521064
Source?
No.521069
>>521062>>521061>>521056Got it, thanks for the clarification anons.
No.521070
>>521064
The mad lady is doing it hes blitzing eastern europe
No.521072
Calling this an inter imperialist conflict is idiotic. This is the 21st century version of imperialists vs the Qing or something.
No.521073
>Police warns Ukrainians to destroy homing devices for missilesbruh
I keep hearing sounds on the livestream that could easily be generic noise pollution, like tires off asphalt or trucks gunning their brakes, but given that the city square is dead as fuck I can only surmise I'm hearing the Battle of Kiev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0iiXiq39sE No.521074
>>521064
the vistula would make an excellent border for Russia, then just the small gap from Vistula down to Carpathians.
No.521076
MSNBC just explicitly said that one of the reasons they didn't kick Russia off of SWIFT is because America could begin to lose control of global finance
dread it, run from it
the petroyuan still arrives all the same
No.521078
>>521077You better start believing in posadist fantasies anon, you live on one
No.521079
>>521064
I was only joking about Russia taking Lisbon, now I'm not so sure.
No.521080
>>521077Warsaw pact 2.0 here we come but with putinist characteristics
No.521081
>>521075
I can't wait to see how this affects gun debates in burgerland and the rest of the world
No.521084
>>521026>>521050The "fog of war" makes it difficult to tell what's going on. One minute you could hear the Ukrainian army is collapsing and the next minute they clobber the VDV at the airport. Or one minute you could hear the Ukrainian army is repulsing the Russian army while everything is actually collapsing around them. Add in tons of misinformation and disinformation and that there are few "neutral parties" to the conflict then it's very difficult to tell what's going on.
I think it's an extraordinarily risky move, in any case. The invasion makes perfect sense if you assume that Ukrainian troops will stop fighting once Zelensky is gone, the puppet regime orders them to stand down, and it becomes clear that they're cut off. I mean, we basically watched the Afghan forces melt away last year when the U.S. left and they found out that the Afghan president had already fled (with a big pot of cash). If you think Euromaidan was U.S.-instigated and the Zelensky administration is propped up only by foreign interference, then you might think Ukrainians would act as Afghans did, and go into accommodation/acceptance mode instead of keeping fighting. But there's a difference between "corrupt regime backed by foreign power gets replaced by fundamentalist warlords" and "losing our sovereignty to an invader."
No.521085
>>521080Try Tsarist empire 2.0
No.521086
>>521075
Why aren't they telling Zelensky that assault rifles are useless? What a strange thing!
No.521087
>>521064
VLADOLF PUTSADAS HATH COMETH
No.521088
>>521063>forbid having any military forces OK like what the allies did to the Germany? I'm guessing the Ukrainians are also fitting the bill for the Russian as well. All this is going to do is lay the seeds of something darker.
No.521089
>>521064
If Putin does that he's beyond retarded.
No.521090
>>521064
As expected when Russia gets Ukraine both Russia and NATO will start a massive build up!
No.521091
Putin should invade poland
It will make this scenario a bigger meme than it already is
No.521092
>>521064
MAD LAD
No.521093
>>521088Russia will do to Ukraine what the US originally intended to do to Japan, delete it's military forces and deindustrialize the country so it becomes an agricultural backwater.
No.521094
>>521084If the nationalist stuff is true, I feel like they'll keep fighting. There will definitely be insurgency
>>521089and then we all die
No.521095
>>521093Why this last part?
No.521096
ty based stalin
No.521097
>>521055>US's deterrence strategy was just insanely bad and had the effect of encouraging more aggression.was that a bug or a feature? they want the cold war again (if not hot war) and now they have it. the US has insurmountable political and economic problems and the empire is slipping away. On current course they're looking at a slow painful decline. War has a way of flipping over the chess board and putting things on a different course. The last big war took the US out of the great depression and made it the world superpower.
No.521098
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously?utm_source=urlReminder to read this article about the failure of Western diplomacy. I don't know that I agree, but it's interesting.
TL;DR:
>The West overcompensated for its appeasement of Hitler by refusing to negotiate with Russia whatsoever, counterintuitively pushing Russia closer to war than preventing it like they supposedly thought it would. (Personal opinion: maybe they thought their politicians would get roasted for being "soft on Russia.")>Certain people (the press?) lack cognitive empathy for Russia—how it views NATO expansionism—and instead rationalizes Russia's behavior by portraying Putin as an inscrutable, diabolical madman. No.521101
>>521095To prevent Ukraine (or japan) from ever having the industrial and technological base to independently develop a military. Of course, Russia will also be controlling Ukraines foreign policy to prevent them from buying weapons from other countries.
No.521102
>>521093but…japan isn't exactly an agricultural backwater, it's still a power player on the global market with a relatively strong industry even after the US fucked it over a few decades ago.
No.521103
>>521093Why does Ukraine need a military at all? They are an agricultural backwater. There is no shame in that. Certainly better than being a glorified US military base of a country.
No.521104
>>521094They'll keep fighting even after Putin takes Ukraine
No.521105
Everyone’s asking why is Russia, but have they thought to ask how is Russia?
No.521106
>>521102The US abandoned it's plan after the Korean War and let Japan reindustrialize to fight against the USSR and China.
No.521107
>>521102That's because the us allowed japan to rebuild itself through dirigsme economics due to the cold war
No.521108
>>521091poland is a reactiod craphole anyway, and with the 'de-nazification' underway next door all the ukro nazis are going to flee to poland and make it even more reactoid.
No.521109
>>521093Again, how will this not lead to large reactionary backlash in the future. Also "agricultural backwater" So like a bread basket so to speak.
No.521110
>>521108So even more justification to invade poland through uh denazification hehhehehehhe lmao
No.521111
MSNBC military guy saying Russia failed to take out all the air force and do not have "air superiority"
No.521112
>>521098Nobody here wants to read, we just want bad guys to hate
No.521113
Wapo livestream keeps getting audible explosions, nothing visually interesting so far.
No.521116
>>521098>(Personal opinion: maybe they thought their politicians would get roasted for being "soft on Russia.")Is everyone here 16 years old or something? Romney was ridiculed as recently as 2012 for being a Russia hawk. Russophobia is entirely manufactured. Normal people wanted warmer relations with Russia like they were in 2000s before everyone was brainwashed by 24/7 fearmongering about Putin counquering yurop
No.521117
>>521109I'm not saying this is a good plan but it is what Russia will need to do in order for this war to be worthwhile for them. Even if there is a reactionary backlash in the future, Ukraine will not be able to quickly build up a military to challenge Russia. The will be starting from scratch with rifles.
No.521118
If Russia doesn’t end this quick then it means economic ruin for Russia, they can’t afford a long war.
No.521120
>>521013You can see the border between Kaffa/Theodoro and the Crimean Khanate on that map, I didn't realize how thoroughly the place had since been terraformed.
No.521121
>>521114No, the war part will take weeks imo. They will take Kiev pretty quickly but the rest of the country will do guerilla shit
>>521118yes
No.521122
>>521114Kiev
soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0iiXiq39sEJust jet sounds with some explosions so far, but evidently we have tank forces closing in.
No.521123
>>521094I don't think so. Ukraine doesn't have the demographics or geography for an insurgency. It's a bunch of flat fields with a graying population. The fertility rate is one of the lowest in the world and most of its youth try to move to western Europe. Most of the Ukrainian identitarians will flee to Hungary and Poland instead since they said they will take them.
No.521124
>>521112So who is the bad guy? the western decanent empire or the eastern decanent empire.
No.521127
>>521097>they want the cold war again (if not hot war) and now they have it. tYes, but this wanted it with China. I'm not being flippant, they really underestimated just how serious the risk was from Russia. Despite people making a big deal about Western Intelligence calling the invasion correctly, they only did that when the invasion was literally imminent. I do not think they expected it to happen before it was already practically happening. This fucks up their grand strategy. It really does.
No.521128
>>521064
>Ameriburgers barely realizing that Kaliningrad exclave exists
Breaking news: that area was always militarized. Even more so now because the entire country is on high alert.
No.521130
>>521124I side with Oceania cause I live here and all my friends support Oceania.
No.521131
>>521129Why is there an armchair
No.521133
>>521121>the rest of the country will do guerilla shitWhat for?
No.521135
>>521132Correct, every leader of every side of every conflict is hitler in some way or another.
No.521136
>>521123Sounds believable, but I think the nationalists/nazis are hardcore. They also have tons of javelins, IEDs etc.
>>521126In rhetoric, I agree. The article is pretty interesting though about how we got here. But Putler is supervillain for life now, we burgoids will never stop hearing about him
No.521137
>>521124no war but the class war, both governments are the bad guys (Russia had a claim to being good if they stayed in Donbass, but certainly not one after the recent escalation) good guys are the ordinary proles getting killed over their pissing contest
No.521138
>>521129If he actually eviscerated French faggots, sparing the world of their imperialism, I'd be more supportive.
No.521141
>>521133the same reasons they fragged the parliament building when the peace accords were progressing
No.521142
>>521124There is no "Eastern decadent empire", there is a Russian power trying to become an Empire.
No.521144
>>521140>US claimsobvious lib war propaganda
No.521146
>>780008
What actions has Russia taken that weren't in response to Western faggotry?
No.521147
>>521133For national autism and because they have the entire west egging them on.
No.521148
>>780025
tbh I'd prefer to be in the Russosphere than the Amerisphere
No.521149
>>521140Yes. They found it next to Saddam's nukes.
No.521155
>>780032
like I said I'd prefer to be in the Russosphere than the Amerisphere
No.521156
>>520987Why should we critically support this though? to own fukuyama by showing him that "yes history is not over yet, can't you see? we still have Russia performing military actions along with the entire rest of the world so clearly the established liberal powers are going to collapse any minute now". Is this how desperate we have to be to prove old fukuyama wrong?
What do we even think the response is going to be from most Eastern European countries and NATO after this? Knowing what little I know from Eastern Europe, it will probably be outrage, increased russophobia (this is already a given in most places) and probably more countries turning towards NATO.
everything about this just reeks of "it's basically US imperialism like the US does but we're sure glad it's not the US this time around"
No.521157
>>780032
that might be an upward move for a decent chunk of people.
No.521159
>>521147There will definitely be Ukrainian nationalist terrorism after the war, but they will be rooted out in a few years like what Russia did in Chechnya.
No.521161
>>521124Both of them. Both have done horrific things to Russians and Ukranians alike.
Putin at least had an element of critical support from me when he decided to defend the LPR and DPR, but him using them as a launching pad to invade Ukraine and displace hundreds of Ukranian citizens doesn't help anyone and only furthers Russian hegemony and a war in which the Oligarchs of Russia, the Ukraine and the USA will benefit.
At least Putins invasion has shown that NATO's a paper tiger, and the Azov battalion can fuck off, but his invasion of Ukraine has come at the cost of Ukranian people being displaced from their homes, and I'd hardly say his motivations are benign.
I'll say it once, I'll say it again. The only people you should be showing solidarity are the Ukranian people, The LPR and the DPR.
No.521162
>>520862
See this? The moment there's an actual Russian casualty there's always a video immediately. Hence gazillion losses reported by official Ukrop propaganda are just not true
No.521163
MSNBC just hit us with the Jossimir Putlin line. classic
No.521164
>>780038
Ethnic Russians are third class citizens in their own country lol
No.521165
>>780043
I'd rather submit to Russians then Americans like I said for the 3rd time,
I don't think you realize how much people aren't going to rush to rally around american
No.521168
>>521161Ukranian citizens are brainwashed libs, I don't have solidarity with them.
No.521170
>>521163Putin is now a "Stalinist," highest kek
No.521172
>>521159Chechnya fell because of infighting and they bribe the shit out of the current warlord/"governor", who rules in an Islamist manner no other province would ever get away with.
I don't think they can do that kind of rapprochement with Ukrainian nationalists which define themselves as anti-Russia (rather than anti-Christian or anti-modernity) to a far greater degree.
No.521173
>>780049
again, thanks to capitalism, plenty of people are well below second-class.
No.521174
>>780054
I don't understand why you think everyone will suck US dick like you will.
No.521175
>>780057
Been here for years, survived several migrations and purges. Your turn.
No.521177
so what's gonna happen after this war?
No.521178
>>521167He's a ban evader, been getting banned every day this week. Report and move on.
No.521179
>>780066
You're under the influence of 1 of them so le epic middle ground doesn't exist
cope
No.521180
>>521177Finland de-Finlandizes
No.521181
For some reason, we get the best discussions when it's nighttime in the United States. When it's daytime, we go back to throwing shit at each other with terrible takes, and having to explain the nuance of multipolarity the 5th time with 1/3rd of the eloquence in the responses.
No.521182
>>521168>Large scale displacement is ok because they are libsYou unironicly sound just like the libs who laugh at conservatives who die from corona virus, actually the worst.
No.521183
>>521098Interesting article, thanks. Though now I'm behind on the inane drivel of the thread.
Thought this was particularly amusing:
>Not everyone would see the Ukraine crisis as a perplexing product of Putin’s eccentricities. Consider the current CIA director, William Burns. Back in 2008, the year George W. Bush fatefully badgered reluctant European leaders into pledging future NATO membership to Ukraine, Burns sent a memo to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that included this warning:
<Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.
>Burns added that it was “hard to overstate the strategic consequences” of offering Ukraine NATO membership—a move that, he predicted, would “create fertile soil for Russian meddling in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.”
>So Burns predicted 12 years ago that pretty much the entire Russian national security establishment would be inclined to make trouble in Ukraine if we offered NATO membership to Ukraine—yet now that we’ve promised NATO membership to Ukraine and Putin is indeed making trouble in Ukraine, people like McFaul and Nichols say the explanation must lie somewhere in the murky depths of Putin’s peculiar psychology. No.521185
>>521141>>521147Okay but I’m very sure that the majority of Ukrainians aren’t as nationalistic as they are portrayed. Nationalist guerillas can be crushed swiftly if the right approach is done for the occupation.
No.521187
>>780072
>Ask putin, faggot.
I've never heard Putin talk about this so I'm asking you.
No.521188
>>521137>(Russia had a claim to being good if they stayed in Donbass, but certainly not one after the recent escalationRussia is trying to end the conflict quickly and decisively. Arguably staying in Donbass is better or more "good", but it also means fighting the Ukro army around the borders there indefinitely, with continued killings of Donbass civilians and soldiers on both sides) and likely escalating to a broader conflict over time anyway as atrocities and hostility mount. Russia is ripping off the bandaid quickly rather than dragging it out over years or decades.
No.521189
>>521168Then you may as well give up on a good chunk of the worlds population. If you don't guide them and show them a better world is possible, a /pol/yp likely will.
Beggars can't be choosers anon.
No.521190
>>521182Why should I have solidarity with people who were happy repeating American propaganda for 8 years and directly caused their own displacement? Did they think this was a game?
No.521191
>>521181I noticed that as well.
The American education system does more brain damage than eating lead paint, and most Americans do both.
No.521192
>>521191We get more active glowies (?), though. I assume, and hope, they get paid for it, of course.
No.521193
>>521176Спроси себя, вправду ли хочешь властвовать над нами?
No.521194
>>521185Yeah i'm just saying those nationalists are determined and heavily armed, definitely agree they are very much the minority
No.521195
>>521189>Then you may as well give up on a good chunk of the worlds populationWay ahead of you. By my estimation, less than 9% of the world population is really worth any sympathy.
No.521196
>>780087
There's not peaceful way to get Ukraine to demilitarize. War was the only option.
No.521197
Tell me bros, is that retard Zelensky actually going to try and act like Stalin and stay in the besieged city? Because it's probably too late to evac him now if he wanted. And with Russkies advancing in the south, there's not many places for him to go.
No.521198
>>780087
14,000 dead from "politics" in Donbass. there was war either way. Russia has just compressed the war schedule and is hoping to end it fast
No.521199
>>780032
>why does Crimea have 3 official languages and why are there republics with presidents inside of Russian Federation
No.521200
>>521191I really feel like there are time periods where the discussion just fluctuates and sometimes turns to shit and sometimes turns good. A few threads ago everyone almost agreed on multipolarity, even Sabocat to an extent, and now were just doing an analytical take on the situation, just like most irl communist parties right now. I wish mods took better quality control of the threads. I don't want to go over the same shitty shitposting over and over again.
No.521201
>>521190Well now is a good time to show them the error of their ways as this anon said
>>521189 if not us then reactionaries.
No.521202
>>521195>Less than 9% Suspiciously specific statistic
No.521203
>>780078
low tier shitposting
No.521204
Daily reminder that those victimized libs would be cheering for your death if you were the enemy
No.521205
>>521197Zelensky has a better chance of surviving if he gets captured by Russian forces and if he flees. If he runs off to the west we'll find him dead from "heart attack" in a few year if he doesn't get killed by some nationalist sooner.
No.521206
>>521205*than if the flees.
No.521207
>>521189based
780055 will never be a revolutionary
No.521208
>>521190>implying the acts of the ukranian government represent the whole of the Ukranian people and thus they must bare the punishment for their governments fuck ups. So what, the civillians of Japan DESERVED two atom bombs dropped on them?
>>521195>By my estimation, less than 9% of the world population is really worth any sympathy.Then you'll never amount to anything. God save you if you actually do.
No.521211
>>521197Zelensky has tripped into a vortex and found himself in one of his own comedy skits
If he’s not shitting his pants 24/7 I wonder how this nigha must feel knowing he is a bumbling comedian who failed upwards into being the head of state during a civil war, now is the head of state during a massive invasion, his military folded in days after he said Ukraine would stand strong and beat everyone, then he declared he would courageously stay in the capital with the people and now he can’t be evacuated anymore
From Zelenksy’s perspective this is like one of his own fucking satires, think he feels like he’s in a waking dream almost?
No.521213
>>521209Шо, опять?
Чувак, мне поебать, вправду.
No.521214
>>521205Damn you just reminded me that other Jeffrey Epstein associate just Epstein'd himself in prison.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/jeffrey-epstein-associate-jean-luc-brunel-found-dead/story?id=83001807It completely slipped my mind. I wanted to shows someone else. Thanks anon.
No.521215
>>521188You can sell a limited advance on the Donbass front to the world as being necessary to protect civilians in the area, you can sell a buffer zone, you can't convince anyone of your good intentions when you're striking Kiev and advancing from Belarus and hundreds are dead already.
Should've stopped with recognition and peacekeepers, would have way more sympathy.
No.521216
>>521205If he was that smart, he would have offered his surrender to the VDV and told the national guard to go guard some cafe.
No.521217
>>521209Donbass is independent from Ukraine and asked Russia for help
Russia can't invade someplace where they were asked to come
No.521219
>>521212
Billie Joe Armstrong was inspired to write “American Idiot” while watching footage of the Iraq war with crass commercials like this over it way back in the 2000s.
No.521220
>>780110
>Perhaps, but I don't have to like either the US or russia.
don't care, you still live under the influence of one
cope
No.521221
>>521208>So what, the civillians of Japan DESERVED two atom bombs dropped on them? Not surprising you cry about muh hiroshima and nagasaki. Hey, I don't even hate the Japanese Empire entirely but even I'm not that dumb. Those bombs prevented more casualties, simple.
>Then you'll never amount to anything. God save you if you actually do.You should try being less naive. Life isn't about how nice you are.
No.521223
>>521221You’re a zoomer on a fringe imageboard, nice or not he’s right about you amounting to nothing
No.521226
>The Sumy Regional State Administration reported that Russian troops have cordoned off all the major cities of the Sumy region and are moving to the West
>Russians set up checkpoints at the entrances and exits from the city of Sumy. The civilian population is being let through, but the situation remains critical. A large number of tanks and various equipment moved in the direction of Kiev
No.521227
>>521211>From Zelenksy’s perspective this is like one of his own fucking satires, think he feels like he’s in a waking dream almost?The whole scene where he keeps asking for help publicly to groups with increasing visibly desperation only to have them turn their backs on him in response is comody kino
THOUGH.
No.521228
>>521202100 bucks on "white people".
No.521229
>>780136
>my country isn't influenced by the US or Russia
LOL FUCKING COPE
No.521230
>>521221>Those bombs prevented more casualties, simple.The whole reason the Americans dropped the bomb was because the Soviets and Chinese were about to roll in and murder the emperor. It wasn't about saving lives, it's the first atrocity of the cold war.
No.521231
>>521223Well since we're doing this, what does amounting to anything even mean in the world as it is? He is basically saying I will never be a war criminal mass murderer or own my own slaves or be a pedophile celebrity.
No.521233
>>521126This. Also this thread is full of NATO glow.
No.521234
>>521209>Москаляку на гиляку! Кто не скачет тот москаль! Вы нам не братья!>Odessa burning, "it was just an air conditioner blowing up, bro", rabid nationalistic vitriol coming from ukrainians all over the net>refusing to admit Russian as a state language despite it solving all the fucking issues>refusal to stop using neonazis>many, many observer reports that Ukraine is shelling the Donbass>?????There's literally 0 proof
No.521236
>>521211Post that video of zelensky playing the piano with his penis pls
No.521237
>>780145
>Never said that, fetus brain.
yeah you did
No.521239
>>521238I prefer thots over thoughts.
No.521240
>>521152More Putin's trying revive the old Russia empire before all that 1917 business.
No.521241
>>780145
Why do you guys so easily expose yourselves?
No.521242
>>521221The edge
Mate in life you have to show some humanity or compassion or you end up being a social pariah
If you don't have some empathy people will naturally be repulsed and won't accept you
No.521244
>>780156
The Eternal anglo
No.521245
>>780151
ok schizo
No.521246
Reports of Russian equipment heading out of the airfields the Ukrainians said they took back
No.521247
>>521242Where's the edge? It's a fact. I'm just keeping my head low, shitposting on an imageboard instead of being out there trying to fuck as many people over as possible. It's not so bad really.
No.521250
>>521195>>521202>>5212289% of 8 billion: 720,000,000
Europe population: 748,385,739
🤔
No.521251
>>521221>Those bombs prevented more casualties, simple.The bombs were dropped because the Japanese wanted to surrender to the USSR, not the USA. "Preventing more casualities" lead to death of thousands of innocent people who were killed for the actions that they themselves didn't commit.
>You should try being less naive. Life isn't about how nice you are.<calls me naive while being a misanthrope devoid of sympathy or empathy. In order for a revolution to succeed, it has to be majoritan. This is edgelord insurrectionist shit that I'd hear from a 13 year old maoist or an edge lord anarcho-individualist. If you don't plan to educate the masses and show them better, to actually allow people to grow and develop and learn from their mistakes and lead them down a better path, then you will fail as a revolutionary.
Good time to remind everyone that East Germany and the USSR in its de-nazification actually allowed Germans, nazi defectors and soldiers who despised hitler and his crimes into their ranks. These men would later provide military aid to African communist freedom fighters during the cold war No.521254
>>521243Look at my president dawg we ain't winning the war
No.521256
HOLD UP, EXHENTAI SERVERS ARE IN UKRAINE, WTF UNCRITICAL SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE, DEFEND THE HENTAI!
/anime/>>>13504
No.521258
>>521251Legalism and confucianism
Qin shi huang died and his empire collapsed while the Han survived
I will leave it to you to figure out why I typed this
No.521259
>>521247You should probably stick to this image board then, you freak of a misanthrope
No.521260
>>521256MUH SAD PANDA!
PUTIN NO!
SPARE THE CRUISE MISSILE STRIKES!
No.521261
>>521243When the Russians capture him but he's busy playing piano
No.521262
>>521212my sides
>>521218they will be better western allies than a democratic government
No.521263
>>521256WTF GRAB ALL THE YURI AND THE FUTA
No.521266
>>521263DOWNLOAD THE
LOLIS No.521267
>>521258>I will leave it to you to figure out why I typed thisOk, you're a rambling misanthropic sinophile LARPER either in their late teens or early twenties without a materialist view on history and gets his views from internet algorithms while refusing to touch grass.
No.521268
Zelensky fucked around and found out.
No.521269
>>521220/h/ says Moldova, should be safe
No.521270
>>521267I'm not the misanthrope and I'm supporting your pov by showing that the legalists didn't appeal to the people to better them and their empire collapsed
While the Han appealed to the people to better them through confucianism and they survived
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No.521272
>>521268Serves him right for trusting NATO
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>>521271
>70.18 MB
No.521274
I would reckon Ukrainian forces are vastly better trained and prepared than Iraqi forces were in 03
No.521276
Honestly, if you're business selling luxury goods is totally dependent on oligarchs from authoritarian Petro States for survival you may want to rethink your business model and what ethical culpability you have for conditions of said countries
No.521277
>>521275Taiwan will still exist as a province of China.
No.521281
>>521231No, I'm saying you'll never be a revolutionary, you'll never succeed in your revolution, and you'll be a footnote on the history books- a sad little LARPER from an anonymous bunker building forum.
And even if you don't do any of these things, then you'll still prove my point of amounting to nothing, because you not only didn't bother to try, you outright refused to.
No.521282
>>521251burger exceptionalists literally argue that deliberately incinerating whole cities filled with innocent people is fine if it theoretically made a war shorter, but quickly overthrowing a US puppet comedian instead of fighting a war in Donbas indefinitely for years or decades is automatically hitlerian evil.
No.521283
God I just hope kharkiv or some other city doesn't get groznyed
No.521284
>Tfw you produce and star in a political satire about some dipshit that becomes the president of Ukraine based on a random political rant about corruption that went viral, then actually do become the president of Ukraine based on a satire about Ukrainian corruption that went viral
>Tfw now you are a bumbling comedian turned president of an entire country of tens of millions of people that is embroiled in a civil war and is a chess piece in a game between Russia and America
>Tfw run around begging NATO for cash and funding, then arrogantly bluff to Russia that NATO has your back and you will probably join, sorta like your character in the show
>Tfw then Russia launches a full scale invasion while the civil war is still ongoing so you have to run around begging NATO for help, only for them to turn their backs, won’t even kick Russia out of SWIFT, also sort of like the show
>Tfw decide to save face and say the Ukrainian army will win because….because they are Ukrainian, they fold in a few days, Washington predicts Russia will win by the end of the week
>Tfw decide to stay in the capital of your country to look brave, now the invasion of the capital is about to begin, your family is already targeted by assassins, and you probably can’t be evacuated anymore
>Tfw you were just a comedian less than a decade ago
<Mfw invasion started on Chris Chan’s birthday
The merge literally turned Zelensky into his character from servant of the people
Tf is this timeline
If I was Volodymyr I’d be dropping ecstasy by now nigha
No.521285
>>521248cringe
>>521264based
No.521286
>>521279NOOOO YOU CAN COPYRIGHT KATYUSHA SHE BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE!
No.521287
>>521270Oh shit, sorry lad, thought you were the edgelord larper.
No.521288
>>780180
The burgermutts literally invented “white” as a way to socially legitimize the institution of slavery, because african chattel slaves and their defendents were “black”. Same with yellow, brown, red and everyone else who has to be a “biological enemy” to the bourgeoisie and a stratum of labor aristocrats in the metropole or settlers in the settler colony. The point was that the others “weren’t” people, forget a unified group
No.521290
>>521281That reads like a whole lot of projection. It's ok anon, I promise I will not do anything to amount to anything so you can settle down.
No.521291
crazy how it’s been a little over 24 hours since this started and allegedly almost 1000 people have died. so tragic
No.521295
>Kyiv city council: Attention, this is not a training alarm! An air threat has been announced! Go to the nearest shelter immediately!
No.521296
>>521280He's the Atlantic Council guy too
Jesus these guys are pathetic.
No.521297
>>521210I-it's just a test bro haha, is t-this thing on? Ha
No.521298
Now’s probably a good time for any Kyivites still in the city who don’t plan on fighting to ‘leave’, again from the southwest side of the city towards Moldova. Once Russia’s artillery is in range, it’ll be a lot harder to get out. Everybody else should probably start digging tunnels and fortifications before Russian Fires make those efforts impossible.
They probably won’t be able to take Kyiv today, their armor is advancing too slowly. But there’s a good chance they’ll start surrounding it. The Russians are continuing their offensive, and they’re about 40 miles to Kyiv’s north.
No.521300
I've tuned in to NewsMax to see how they're covering this. Former General on air right now being interviewed.
General: Biden administration has done nothing to help Ukraine.
Reporter: What should the Biden administration do to stop Putin and help Ukraine?
General: Implement sanctions and get European allies on board with kicking Russia off of SWIFT, give aid and munitions to Ukraine.
Reporter: …
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>>521278
People of Borscht
No.521303
>>521299To be specific, you're projecting your fantasies of being a revolutionary and part of history on to me. I couldn't care less if I'm in the history books or not. You typed all that out because of your own insecurities or something.
No.521304
>>521271
>When you try to implement your burgerbrained idea of racial and ethnic politics onto the rest of the world because you can’t into materialist analysis
No.521305
>>521271
>nobody tell this liberal about the azov battalion
No.521306
>>521302How do we know for sure?
No.521309
>>521293That explains why he wants the rivers of Ukraine to run red with Russian blood
typical lolifag butthurt about his media going away
No.521310
>>521275You wanna guess what’s the % of foreigners in Singapore? And how often they gain citizenship?
No.521311
>>521305he's already friends with them
>>521280 No.521312
>>521308Hahaha. the only good thing to come out of this war is what happens next.
No.521313
>>521306It's a blue jet similar to Ukrainians' own su-27 which Ukrops try to pass as a Russian casualty.
No.521314
>>780220
>Implying black americans aren’t qualitatively different from other africans
>Implying that “blackness” isn’t a necessary antipode to “whiteness” to define race and thus the white race as an entity
Do you know how many people used to not by white and then “became” white in American history? Or why Italians used to be called “Guineas”?
No.521315
Melitopol has been secured by the Russians.
No.521317
>>521300>give aid and munitions to Ukraine.yes, do this now. the russian military needs more equipment. lol
No.521318
>>521316This is a response to this post
>>521308 No.521320
>>521303So you won't be anything
No.521321
>>521315>Azov battalion intransigence is about to cost Ukraine all its remaining Azov Sea coastlinetop irony
No.521322
Some report that Sumy is being contained and bypassed by the Russians.
No.521323
>>521313I was hoping for some more concrete evidence like Ukrainian script on the wreckage but I can't differentiate Ukrainian and Russian script.
No.521324
>>521323That's Russian language there. Jet matches colors with Ukrainian jet which was used in Mirgorod in 2020 for training in that other pic
No.521325
>>521256do you know, per chance, where nhentai is hosted?
No.521326
>>521323Ukrainian has some letters Russian doesn't: Ґ ґ, І і, and Ї ї
No.521327
https://southfront.org/russian-advance-in-ukraine-and-its-brief-analysis-by-igor-strelkov/Was posted before, but this has an interesting analysis.
>Probably the bloodiest fighting and casualties rate is currently coming from the Donetsk theater, as the enemy is defending the deeply echelonized fortified zone, along with its most combat-ready and experienced units.>Tomorrow, the fighting will continue with the following main objective: to prevent the enemy’s withdrawal and relocate his units westward.(obviously meaning today)
Seems the Ukrops, like most anons and everybody other than the cry-wolf US intelligence, expected them to just reinforce the republics, and the Ukrainians have their heaviest hitters still in the east, with the Russians mostly just pinning them down.
I bet that's why the Chechens are being sent in, they're going to slaughter the Azovites like pigs.
No.521328
>>521320And? It's funny how you're saying this to insulte me, because I didn't feel like crying crocodile tears over ukranian citizens, that are also never going to amount to anything.
No.521329
The official statement of the International Committee of the Fourth International.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/25/pers-f25.htmlI'm usually not a huge fan of the WSWS (they're quite contrarian and sectarian), but their statement here is very accurate and thoughtful. It's one of the best I've seen so far from a socialist organization about the conflict.
No.521330
>>521308Chechens vs nazis? Going to be a brutal fight.
No.521333
>>521325no clue, you can try looking up their ip address.
No.521334
>>521329>the moment their anti-imperialist stance comes to a test, trots switch sides to "le both sides"Hahahahaha. Fell in line immediately
No.521336
>>521314Blacks is as made up as whites. Whether you admit it or not.
No.521337
>>521330Nazis will get BTFO by Chechens every time. Can't wait to see it tbh
No.521338
>>521303>To be specific, you're projecting your fantasies of being a revolutionary and part of history on to me. I couldn't care less if I'm in the history books or not. You typed all that out because of your own insecurities or something.So you're basically admitting that you're an edgelord who'll never amount to nothing. I don't subscribe to greatman theory, anon. I'll probably be a footnote too, if I'm ever. I don't delude myself into thinking this board will lead the revolution, online spaces can't and don't. But I take pride that at I'm nothing nothing like you, that I'll never be anything like you, because insignificant as my actions may be on an international scale, insignficiant as my being may be on even a regional one, I can at least die knowing I've made a difference in people's lives and helped others. That's something. I don't need to flex and give examples, because the movement isn't about me, it's about the people advancing in the face of great odds. If I'm to be a barely seen cog in a greater machine, that doesn't bother me. So long as that machine marches ever forward. And you wanna know the best thing about it, if the anons who are responding to you are calling you an edgelord git who won't amount to nothing, then I know that I walk amongst men with principles, not tiny gnats like you.
Again, unless you actually unfuck your shit, you won't amount to anything. God save you.
No.521339
>tell liberal friend i'm against both russian military expansion and nato imperialism
>get woke-scolded for "all-lives mattering" the issue and supporting russian imperialism
No.521340
>>521337I expect decapitations (of nazis).
No.521341
>>521338You've put more thought into my place in the world than I have. I don't know if I'm flattered or creeped out.
No.521343
>>521338Not the other guy but I'm also semi misanthropic and even i think this guy is an edgelord
No.521344
>>521284Life imitates art
No.521345
Ukrainian Culture Minister who's staying in Kyiv:
>They will never take Kyiv.>>521339>get woke-scolded for "all-lives mattering" i have cancer now
No.521348
The 2nd cold war will end with USSR 2. Watch.
No.521349
>>521331
Holy fuck. You can literally feel the seethe.
No.521350
>Wake up
>Check liveuamap
>Appartment buildings burning in Kiev
May I remind that just 24hours ago Putin shills were on copium about how Russia isn't NATO, and "at least it isn't muh Belgrade"?
Well, ok, I am sure those appartments were military targets.
No.521355
>>521347>Russian tank columnPosts video of a single tank
No.521356
>>521350The Putin shills moved the goal posts and switched to weapons-grade copium.
No.521357
>>521351time for 9/11 2 electric boogaloo
No.521358
>>521284Poor deluded figurehead. Meanwhile the oligarchs and mafiosos behind the government have either already fled the country, or nobody knew who they were to begin with.
No.521359
>>521351america and extremist insurgencies, name a better duo
No.521360
>>521351Rojazov confirmed
No.521363
>>521362that's the sun's reflection you fucking dumbass
No.521364
>>521355Don't blame the poor guy, he got lost.
>Am I in the wrong town? Fuck it, this is Russian nowhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewen_Cameron_Bruce#Battle_of_Tsaritsyn No.521367
>>521351 (me)
Drafting and introducing are different things I'm retarded. It stands yo reason that this will be passed though.
No.521368
>>521354That guy got it backwards. CNN definitely did not report that. Anon's theory might be correct that they friendly fired but CNN didn't report that. I think that guy just got confused.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-24-22-intl/h_b0e5cbdca7c91d658e80ac4ef5549012 No.521369
>>521365For military targets, what else?
No.521372
MSNBC military guy:
>The big war hasn't come yet. That's in the next few days.
Says that it will happen along Donbas front lines; also says that he hopes Kyiv won't try to defend from inside the city against what will likely be Spetsnaz forces, as it will cause 'enourmous' civilian deaths.
No.521373
>>521369To hide dead civilians? To mask the number of deaths the russian military has? To make people disappear?
No.521374
>>520878Fuck I knew Haz was bad before but I didn't realize he was a kautskyite
No.521375
>>521365>Source: MI5Even MI5 says it's for burning up Russians not Ukrainians.
>Russian forces have prepared a mobile crematorium for use in any future conflict with Ukraine in what Britain’s Defence Secretary has described as “chilling”.
>The MoD released footage of a vehicle-mounted crematorium with room to “evaporate” one human body at a time, which has been seen trailing Russian forces and is expected to follow any troops into Ukraine.
>Ben Wallace, the Defence Secretary, suggested the use of such a system may be a way for the Kremlin to cover up any future combat losses, fearing a repeat of the criticism at home when Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014. No.521376
>>521365Source of these and whether they've been deployed to the war, or is this just a picture of covid?
No.521380
>>521377SEKRET ZOMBONI OUTBREAK
the war is just a cover guise
No.521381
>>521375And Putin also said he wouldn't invade Ukraine. Look how that ended!
No.521382
>>521375It's just a safe way for western propaganda to claim gorillion Russian losses without showing any corpses to prove those Russian losses. Meanwhile, the moment Ukrops actually kill someone they immediately film it and upload it.
No.521383
>>521381putler, press the genocide button
No.521385
>>521375What will probably happen: These Ukrainian bodies are Russian! Ukrainians are ethnically Russian, so all bodies here are Russian!
No.521386
>>521381It's actually to evaporate Jews and Putin is actually just possessed by the volkisch of Hitler
No.521387
>>521379>>521375>telegraph.co.uk>mi5Hello GCHQ, order me a pizza
No.521388
>>521382Shills gotta suck big russian cock!
No.521390
>>521375>>521365all makes sense in the light of
>>521380 tbh.
It's to destroy the infected zomb*ids.
No.521391
>>521388only if it does genocide
No.521393
Buddy of mine asked why NATO isn't doing more since they're the military arm of the UN
he's a good guy and he also votes
No.521395
>>521389Just seems awful convenient that it's about 6am for you guys and you have this neatly packaged story from a UK newspaper sourced by a UK intel agency.
How was the commute?
No.521398
>>521389It's 4:26pm local time in my country faggot.
No.521399
>>521398Likely story, angloid!
No.521401
>>521399>Hurr durr hurr! I'll dismiss anything you say out of hand!>>521400>living in a .5 timezoneI'm in Australia. Deal with it.
No.521402
Zelenskiy continued to make appeals to his neighbour for a ceasefire.
>"Russia will have to talk to us sooner or later about how to end hostilities and stop this invasion.
>The sooner the conversation begins, the smaller Russia’s losses will be.”
No.521404
>>521403If it were 1970s, Russia would be using tactical nukes.
No.521405
>>521401Five Eyes alliance member. Shouldn't you be raising up a fuss over Chiyna?
No.521406
>>521400>living in a .5 timezoneTIL. Yeah that's screwy as fuck. And I thought daylight savings was bad.
No.521407
One curious paralel: US in Afghanistan
If you truly want to reduce casualties, and don't want people to die, like Putinbots such as Maupin claim to be your goal… MAYBE FUCKING ABANDON THE REPUBLICS AND LET THEM FALL?!?!?
Crying about muh Donetsk lives matters is as pathetic of an excuse as muh Afghani women. YOU are killing people by not letting go, and now you started a full fucking war. Basically the equivalent if US had decided to quintouple boots on the ground in Afghanistan instead of oulling out. Sniveling "anti imperialist" pigs like Maupin are more than happy to take the right position on Afghanistan, but not on their precious oligarch daddy Putin.
No.521408
>>521403What, does he think Russia hasn't modernized at all? I question the man's "intelligence".
No.521409
>>521404>>521403I mean the Russian intervention/occupation of Afghanistan happened in the 70s, right?
No.521410
>>521329Absolutely nobody is remotely surprised retarded fucking trots would say this.
WSWS glows ultraviolet
No.521411
Weird how a lot of Ukrainians still have Wi-Fi and are able to send out videos. You’d figure that would get knocked out quickly
No.521413
>>521411>You’d figure that would get knocked out quicklyWhy so they go out on the street instead? Don't be silly, it is better to have them pacified on tiktok or wtf.
No.521414
>>521410Why yes, trots are too stupid to understand the Bordigist-Retardist-21st-centuryist position of supporting le based imperialism vs le cringe imperialism
No.521416
>>521411I'm more surprised the rebels haven't touched the cell towers
No.521417
>>521411Because Russia is Gentle. They didn't even turn off Kyiv by stopping the power from Chernobyl going there
No.521418
>>521382Probably the case.
Remember at the start of COVID when they were freaking out about how many bodies China was burning, even taking janky air quality readings from a field outside of Wuhan to try and construct a narrative that they set up a body burning facility?
…And then when Italy openly admitted to being at max capacity for cremating bodies nobody noticed, much less raised a fuss about it.
No.521419
>>521407The people of Donbass shouldn't be abandoned to a regime full of oligarchs based around banning their language and holding a coup every time their guy wins an election. Abandoning them at this point probably means an Azov-led bloodbath anyway, they've been more than happy to kill civilians the last eight years of war.
There is, however, a middle ground between doing that and seizing cities nowhere near Donbass while denouncing Ukraine's existence as a Soviet plot.
No.521422
>fighting for chernobyl
>bombing bioresearch labs
a-are the russians gonna create godzilla?
No.521423
>>521419I could literally rewrite everything you said but about how we need to protect the innocent city-dwellers of Afghanistan from the evil bloodthirsty Talibs, slap a WSJ sticker and call it an article that would be published 6 months ago.
No.521424
>>521421Fascists are cowards as always.
No.521425
>>521421Putin using the destruction of Ukrainian neo-nazis as justification for the invasion will definitely backfire. there's no way the Russian government invading won't benefit them in some way.
No.521426
>>521412>everybody super calm as somebody gets gunned down>creepy blacked out mercedes cruises bytop slav moment
No.521427
>>521414Trots just have to contrary Marxist Leninist positions. Note how it is the total opposite of the PSL's position.
>PSL Statement on Russian military intervention in Ukraine>The Russian military operation in Ukraine highlights that the world has reached a dangerous fork in the road. It is critically important for people in the United States, who are receiving the bulk of their information from the capitalist media that functions as an echo chamber for the U.S. government, to know that the current crisis is the byproduct of a long effort by the United States to establish absolute domination throughout Europe. The U.S. policy is aimed at undermining Russia’s security by surrounding it with advanced missiles that can reach their Russian targets in less than 10 minutes. >For the last three months, the Russian government simultaneously called for negotiations about their security concerns while at the same time amassing troops at the Russia-Ukraine border and at the border of Ukraine and Belarus. Putin announced that Russia would militarily intervene in Ukraine after the United States and NATO rejected their fundamental demands that Ukraine not be incorporated into NATO and that Ukraine, which shares a 1,200-mile border with Russia, not be used as a staging ground for advanced missiles that target Russia. >In essence, Putin and Russia were demanding that Ukraine be a neutral country and never a member of NATO. It was precisely through the territory of Ukraine that Russia was subjected to the Nazi invasion of World War Two and earlier invasions by Western powers. In World War Two, when Ukraine and Russia were one country (the Soviet Union), more than 27 million people died resisting the Nazi invasion of their homelands. >At this critical moment, it is imperative that the U.S. government change its reckless, provocative stance of encircling Russia and relentlessly expanding NATO eastward. Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the United States has attempted to incorporate almost every former Soviet/Russian European ally into NATO, which is an offensive military alliance. >After having all of its demands rejected by the United States and NATO, the Russian government decided to invade Ukraine. As of this moment, major military operations are underway. The Russian government said it will not occupy Ukraine but that it intends to carry out the “demilitarization” and “de-Nazification” of the country. It is unclear what these terms actually mean. In some segments of the Ukrainian state – particularly the police and military – there is considerable Nazi influence. In the political life of Ukraine, the power of fascist groups has waned considerably in recent years and they do not exercise decisive influence inside of the administration of President Zelenskyy. >The United States and European powers have vowed to impose a total sanctions regime on Russia, cutting the country off from the world economy and targeting its most vital industries. An initial volley of sanctions was announced by Biden today. These target some of the largest banks and corporations in Russia and are especially aimed at limiting Russia’s ability to access foreign currency and high tech markets. A series of sanctions have already been imposed since 2014, with Russia’s incorporation of Crimea after the U.S.-backed coup in Kiev. More measures are likely to follow. Taken together, the events of the last two days constitute a profound and historic rupture in the existing geopolitical order and will have cascading consequences for years to come.>A preventable tragedy >The deadly fighting currently raging across Ukraine is a tragedy. In any war, the working class of the nations involved are the ones to bear the brunt of the hardship and suffering. From 1922 until the dissolution of the Soviet Union the peoples of Ukraine and Russia lived in peace. They were partners in a socialist planned economy and together they defeated the fascist, Nazi invasion of 1941 at the cost of 27 million Soviet lives. The bourgeois-led counter-revolution that dissolved the Soviet Union separated the peoples and republics. This animus and hostility that followed was the predictable outcome of the end of socialism and the beginning of capitalist competition. >While we do not support the Russian invasion, we reserve our strongest condemnation for the U.S. government, which rejected Russia’s legitimate security concerns in the region, with total intransigence that they knew could provoke such a war. This is the consequence of decades of U.S.-NATO bullying and humiliating Russia. The Party for Socialism and Liberation demands that the U.S. government and its allies in the imperialist NATO military alliance immediately cease their provocative behavior designed to escalate the crisis and provide security guarantees that can be the foundation for the restoration of peace – the cornerstone of which must be a pledge to end NATO expansion. This is what can bring relief to the people of Ukraine. >A highly explosive situation has been developing in Eastern Europe not only in recent weeks and months, but for many years. What happened last night and the terrible violence to come was preventable, but decisions made by NATO powers at every key juncture since the end of the Cold War set the region on a collision course that was bound to come to a head sooner or later.>Since the breakup of the Soviet Union and the socialist camp of Eastern Europe, the imperialist NATO military alliance has steadily expanded eastward, absorbing 14 formerly socialist states between 1999 and 2020. Three of these countries — Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia — were former republics of the Soviet Union itself. In 2008, a war broke out between Russia and Western-allied Georgia after Georgian forces attacked the pro-Russia breakaway region of South Ossetia. >In 2014, a coup supported by the West took place in Ukraine that replaced the neutral government of Viktor Yanukovych with a staunchly anti-Russia government. This coup created the essential preconditions for the current crisis and war. It did not come out of nowhere in the last few months. Under the Trump administration, the United States withdrew from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty and the Open Skies Treaty, which were cornerstones of the arms control architecture of Europe. >Actions elsewhere in the world compounded the tensions. In 2011, NATO carried out the destruction of Libya on the basis of UN Security Council resolution 1973 – which Russia allowed to pass based on false assurances from the West that it would not be used to justify a regime change operation. Around the same time, a civil war broke out in Syria, a close Russian ally. Russia intervened in Syria militarily to prevent U.S.-backed reactionary fundamentalist forces from seizing control of the country. >A turning point in world politics>The speech given by Vladimir Putin last night announcing the invasion made it clear that he was prepared for an intense and long-term confrontation with the West. Starting with the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, Putin listed a litany of aggressive actions by the West and called on all segments of Russian society – military and non-military – to do their part in the coming mobilization, which undoubtedly will involve profound economic turmoil inside of Russia. Putin’s intention appears to be to change the balance of forces in Europe and turn the geopolitical tide with a major military intervention. >The plight of ethnic Russians, especially those in the Donbas region of Eastern Ukraine, factored heavily into the speech delivered by Putin, which was directed towards the Russian public. Putin has been outspoken in recent days about his opposition to the Soviet policy on nationalities and considers the creation of modern Ukraine to have been a grave error on the part of Vladimir Lenin. As the PSL pointed out in our Feb. 22 statement:>“[T]he policy promoted by Lenin was the cornerstone of maintaining peaceful relations and unity among the peoples of the Soviet Union from the Russian Revolution until the beginning of the USSR’s collapse. By organizing the new, socialist state along the lines of the right to self-determination, Lenin was striking a blow at what was called “Great Russian chauvinism” — the domination of the Russian state and the Russian nationality in the territory of the just-overthrown Russian empire. Along with the administrative transfer of territories, this was a way of ensuring that the peoples of the newly formed socialist state could live together in peace and equality, replacing the brutal domination characteristic of the Czar’s regime. The principle of self-determination laid the basis for multinational unity that was the foundation of the Soviet Union’s great successes — for instance, 4.5 million Ukrainians fought alongside Russians to defeat fascism in World War II.” >There is no guarantee that Russia’s effort to reverse the geopolitical situation in its favor will succeed. So far, the events of the past several days have allowed U.S. imperialism to secure key objectives. The critical NordStream 2 pipeline that would have brought massive amounts of Russian gas into the European market is no longer going forward. NATO troops have been and will continue to flood into the Eastern European members of the alliance, including the Baltic countries that share a border with Russia. Just today, the Pentagon announced that it was sending 7,000 additional soldiers to Europe. While Russia clearly aims to install a friendly government in power in Kiev, public support inside of Ukraine for the country’s membership in NATO – which has never been a completely dominant position – will undoubtedly surge in the aftermath of the invasion.>The conflict currently exploding in Ukraine and rippling throughout the region and the entire world is hugely dangerous. The reckless and provocative actions of the U.S. government and its allies must cease immediately. The economic warfare being unleashed against Russia – which will first and foremost affect the country’s working class – will only deepen the crisis, as would troop deployments anywhere in Europe. >Recognizing that Russia has legitimate security concerns does not require an endorsement of all its military actions, nor Putin’s suggestion that Ukraine has no basis to exist as an independent county, nor his larger geopolitical strategies. The role of the U.S. anti-war movement is not to follow the line of countries in conflict with U.S. imperialism, but to present an independent program of peace and solidarity and anti-imperialism.>The menace of war can only be defeated by international solidarity among the peoples of the world and a resolute struggle against U.S. imperialism, which must demand the abolition of NATO. No war on Russia!https://www.liberationnews.org/psl-statement-on-russias-military-intervention-in-ukraine/ No.521430
>>521411The internet isn't broadcast from towers it's from underground cable networks interfacing with satellite and towers.
No.521431
>>521429She just wanted to be on the cover of Time magazine
No.521432
>>521129>Anti-imperialism is replacing colonialism with settler-colonialismummmm
No.521434
>>521420I think Caleb at this point should have the "Russian state media" tag at this point.
No.521435
>>521429>Heroes of Ukraine Street on navigatorFFS, can Ukraine be any more pathetic
No.521436
>>521423Even doing nothing (let alone a limited advance to create a DMZ) would get fewer people in Donbass killed than your proposal.
Also Donetsk and Luhansk threw out their oligarchs and deserve our solidarity as socialist states, while Kabul's been run by the rich since '92
No.521437
What's the best Kiev live stream?
No.521438
>>521407You're ignoring how Ukraine and the republics specifically is Russian territory and Afghanist is on the other side of the world from the US.
No.521440
>>521438>Russian teritorySure, it has historic context, but lmao if you are actually making that argument, then you're basically pulling off an /int/ poster that is deffending the rightful Czarist clay.
No.521441
>>521440I knew that would trigger you. There is no point trying to appease retards that use completely unfair comparisons to US adventurism in the middle east and an inter-slav conflict.
No.521444
>>521405Unless leftypol is likely to commit acts of terrorism, no alphabet agency is going to waste their time on the larpers here.
No.521445
>>521441War is war you fucking subhuman. Context doesn't fucking matter when its a pointless war, be it adventurism or "justifiable" ethnic struggle, when lives are on the fucking line FOR FUCKING NOTHING. NOT FOR NOTHING. FOR PUTINS FUCKING PRESIDENTIAL RATINGS, OR AT BEST THE BLACK SEA ZONE OF INFLUANCE. YOU THINK PUTIN GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE REPUBLICS? MOST LIKELY THOSE WHOLSUM CHUNGUS "AES" "STATES" WILL GET INTEGRATED TO RUSSIA PROPER IN A MONTH.
No.521449
>>521209The Un.N reports say different about this.
No.521450
Russian troops, not paratroopers, 40-50 km away from Kiev, including tanks.
No.521451
>>521448next you will tell me that they don't fear my incisive opposition!
No.521453
>>521445>YOU THINK PUTIN GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE REPUBLICS? Believe it or not, yes, I think he is concerned about a war zone right on his border where Russian speaking citizens are being slaughtered daily and the whole world ignores it. Integration into Russia proper is the best possible outcome for them you idiot. I fucking hope it happens.
No.521454
>>521450Who will russia not invade after not invading Ukraine? Don't know, but I know simps will suck russian cock no matter who russia doesn't invade next!
>>521451They don't care about you, larper. You're no threat to the powers that be. Seethe.
No.521455
>>521452Catholic Dwarf
@Fascidwarf
Catholic, Husband, Nationalist, Paleocon, political theory, political philosophy, and Bison respecter.
No.521456
>>521453>I hope russia goes imperial again!The state of the left! XD
No.521457
>>521444US alphabet agencies have wasted their time on much smaller and more irrelevant groups than us
No.521458
>>521417>They didn't even turn off Kyiv by stopping the power from Chernobyl going thereIs this a joke? The reactors have been shut down for 20 years.
No.521459
>>521434It wouldn't surprise me if he gets banned
No.521460
>>521454i was obviously joking lmao. do you want the reddit /s
No.521461
>>521456The state of the left thinking a country reclaiming their own historic border is imperialist.
No.521463
>>521445ssshh.. don't fret, my kurwa friend, soon you'll be a part of glorious imperial russia again.. and you will love it!
No.521464
>>521457So?
>>521460>I was only pretending to be retarded! No.521465
>>521454I hope Putin doesn't invade Serbia and doesn't invade the rest of the former Yugoslav territories and unite the territories into one nation once more. That would be the worst thing in the world. ;)
No.521467
OOHHH SHIT IM OPPPOOOOOOSING AUAUGHGHGUHG
No.521469
>>521466This thread just did, new thread:
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>>521461I suppose you support britian, france and germany reclaiming their lost territories too?
No.521471
>>521465Even if Putin did it, Yugoslav 2.0 would fall apart after his death just like Yugoslav 1.0 fell apart after Tito's death
No.521472
>>521462That's airport where VDV paratroopers dropped - and Ukrops have falied to dislodge them. I'm talking about troops coming from Belarus via roads.
No.521473
>>521426Needs to be dashcam footage for that.
No.521474
>>521473Go suck bent russian cock tankie!
No.521475
>>521452Why do tradcath larpers worship an oligarchy that oppresses eastern Catholics in order to promote Orthodoxy?
No.521479
>>520973Literally nobody says this except liberals like you
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