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https://liveuamap.com/ (not always reliable)
LATESTUkraine conflict: Fighting rages near Kyiv after Russia invasion
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60513116Russian forces approaching Kyiv from northeast & east; Ukrainian Prez pleads for help (LIVE UPDATES)
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/newsblogs/russia-ukraine-war-crisis-news-live-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-latest-updates/liveblog/89813650.cmsRussia attacks Ukraine live updates: Russian forces close on Kyiv (LIVE UPDATES)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/russian-troops-advancing-closer-to-kyiv-us-says-liveblogLatest updates: Ben Wallace says Russia’s ambition is to invade 'the whole of Ukraine’ but its forces have so far lost around 450 personnel
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/feb/25/uk-politics-live-boris-johnson-russia-invasion-ukraine-latest-updatesMany Are Stranded by the War in Ukraine, From Students to Soccer Players, and Reportedly a Hollywood Name
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/many-are-stranded-by-the-war-in-ukraine-from-students-to-soccer-players-and-reportedly-a-hollywood-name/ar-AAUhRKkANALYSISSergey Karaganov: Russia’s new foreign policy, the Putin Doctrine
https://www.rt.com/russia/550271-putin-doctrine-foreign-policy/Why Biden didn’t negotiate seriously with Putin
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously–
N.B. to other OPs: refresh the news, don't just copy paste the old OPN.B. to people screaming "Western sources! reeeeeee!", in times of war like this, you have to get info from wherever you can. it is up to the reader to use critical thinking skills and choose what to believe At 5:30 a.m. Moscow time, new attacks on Kiev with cruise missiles began. One of them was shot down by Ukrainian air defense, and the cruise missile fell on a residential building. 8 people were injured.
A Ukrainian Su-27 was shot down. Strikes take place on Kiev, mainly in the districts of Svyatoshinsky and Kotsyubinsky.
In Gostomel/Hostomel, Russian forces continue to hold out.
At Pavlovka, west of Zhytomyr, itself very west of Kiev, the landing of Russian troops has been reported.
https://t.me/rybar/25068>>521481Not really comparable (so far). Much, much less civilian deaths in the Russian invasion. Could change, but I doubt it will.
Still both shit, but one is clearly worse than the other.
>>521495You know what I'm going to be proactive. Let's start a list for next OP to post:
liveuamap.com
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUahttps://twitter.com/mfa_russiaWhat else should go in?
BTW Lavrov live now.
>>521483Dustbin of history
Get in
>>521503CNN btfo
Close to getting thrown out
>>521493> military outlet tells citizens to make weapons in form of Molotov cocktails and throw them at Russian military in Kiev — this turns them all into targets and no longer grants status of protection as civilians.I wonder how many civs actually care enough for the government to defend it.
It’s not like they ever got anything out of it.
>>521541Yesterday in Kiev only 10000 firearms were distributed.
Likely similar scenes took place in other cities.
Ukraine is going to be awash with firearms after all this.
(And I wouldn't exclude glowies contributing to this in the future).
>>521558Show me the American units invading Ukraine right now and I'll go enlist
Until then, Russia is it.
>>521562No, the Ukrainian government needs to be destroyed. You're bitching about me supporting Russia in doing it.
If you want me to support whatever country you live in, go call your congressman or stop whining
>>521569That's so fucked up man
I hate nationalism
>>521573Just saying that it is going to happen.
Fascists are well known for being this way.
>>521568Girl period+cry
Boy cry
Ukrainian pees himself+ cries which coincidentally results in the colors of the Ukrainian flag.
>>521579>bourgeoise state w-where
i got my bouj-be-gone spray right here comrades
>>521590thank you anon, i try my best
i am a humble humorer after all
>>521582You know this literally happened in nazi germany in 1945 right?
Not saying they should, just that it's going to happen, ukrainian right-wing militias will go and start executing deserters cause that's the best they can do, kill people who do not intend to fight.
>>521576Ukrainians:
Try to conscript kids;
Report their own casualties, including from friendly fire, as Russian casualties;
have neonazis in their army;
put minefields in front of civilians;
ukrainian deserters run over civilian cars while running away;
shelling civilians in Donbass even when Ukraine itself is getting overrun by Russians;
Ghost of fucking Kiev
why would anyone ever say that Russia is the same? Why?
>>521594If you only knew how bad things really are
He feels like the reddit president, idk why
>>521566the safest people are the ones not in ukraine, anon. Otherwise, it's very context dependent. Camping out at metro stations is a good idea.
I don't think you can make yourself a baby, but if you figure out how, please let me know.
>>521542It is.
>>521493My government is not nearly as corrupt. I would
NEVER fight for it. Not even if the US was invading. Who cares who our masters are? My life is much more precious.
There are many mixed families. Why the fuck would they be fighting russians? These are normal office workers being given guns and told to shoot people. Fuck off. I would use them to barricade and protect wherever we are. Maybe scrap together a sign that says we have no skin in the game and want to be left alone.
Who knows how savage the russian army is being. This is a horrible situation. Disgusting. Truly horrific.
>>521597They don't bomb civilians.
>>521598Oh, forgot the suicide bombing their own bridges to stop Russian troops from advancing
>>521610>Azov battalionWhat are they and why do they exist
Is it an unofficial group of rightoid soldiers with reactionary beliefs?
>>521610This.
Fascism is when you hate jews very much, the more you hate jews the fascistier.
>>521616How, retard? Where is the proletariat for itself?
Fucking idealistic stupid fucking retard.
>>521618Fascism is Capitalism's final form
As a government it is easy to determine what is fascism
But as people, It is kinda hard since rightoids are stupid and have no knowledge or ideas most of the time about the systems they want or want to build
So taking antisemitism is a decent cue, I would say, just for people
If they're violent especially
>>521617Basically neo-nazi paramilitaries that were integrated into the armed forces of ukraine.
>>521624arrogant fuck. WHERE IS THE PROLETARIAT FOR ITSELF?! Do you support the nazi proletariat too? idiot.
>>521632iliberal capitalism. As I said here
>>521633 nazis are just a form of fascism, ethnofascism.
>>521628>>521627People taking
>>521618 seriously.
Autism and it's consequences have been a disaster for /leftypol/kind
>>521623lol
I guess it is important for them to have built a solid proletariat solidarity and instiutions of power in ukraine before all this happened
At least then the proles of there could have some say
>>521641Why is it wrong or autistic to express or expand upon your ideas, even on the base of a joke?
I don't think you know what autism means
>>521649It is. Is when capitalism becomes violent in different ways in order to secure profits. Ilieberal capitalism.
What else is, then?
>>521632I just did, It's liberalism without any subtext of freedom or bullshit
It's raw skinning of the prole for all he is worth, with no fruit at the end
Absolute slave labor, Maximum production and profit for the bourgeoisie, Outright strings and puppet masters in the form of the factory owners controlling the government
>>521642Your original comment is honestly infuriating, I really hope you're trolling.
This is a horrible situation Ukranians are in and it is in great part because of the defeat of leftists all around the world and particularly in ukraine. The proletariat is completely in the hands of the Russian and Ukranian government. We are forced to analyze which outcome is the least harmful for the peoples of ukraine. A disgusting scenario, no doubt.
So to say "you should support the proletariat" is a pretty detached demand and honestly incredibly insensible to the proletariat of Ukraine.
>>521660>if that's the definition than every nation on earth is fascistYes
But now they still hold some BS and do some finger waggling when corporations do bad thing
This is without even that, It's the truth of capitalism out in the open without much resistance left to fight back in the place of its taking place
>>521624>supporting the proletariat in all its actions and struggles against CapitalMore abstraction. Here is an actual concrete position to take: critical support for national industrial bourgeois of Russia in their struggle against western imperialist encirclement. This imperialist attack on Russia is not in isolation from the general world-imperialist offensive against the proletariat of the world.
If you don't understand how critical support for Russia helps the working classes of Ukraine and Russia, then it's clear that you are merely some kind of anglo american. Communists work with what they have, not with abstract ideals like "if the working class dont spontaneously rise up then its a nothingburger". This infact is what imperialists want idealists like you to do. Imperialism wishes to destroy the nation so that the proletariat of a nation has nothing to rally under.
>>521660Keyword is
ways Anon. Liberals says you're free to not work, just starve, Fascists don't embarass themselves with that kind of hypocrisy and straight up put a gun on your head so you meet the factory's quotas.
>>521667Right, cause it's not like people are pissing in amazon warehouse factories and dying of heart attacks while their co-workers are forced to work despite rotting bodies
It's not like children below the ages of 10 work in factories to generate profit for their malnourished factory
We all live in happy magic human rights land
>>521666We've already seen Azov training a 79 year old granny earlier this month.
I didn't want to believe the Russian propaganda casus belli but it's looking a bit more believable now, courtesy of Ukraine's own government.
>>521670You don't get it, do you.
HOW? Stupid fuck. you can't answer that because you're an edgy detached fuck.
>>521683Fine, whatever, argue semantics
I am not the guy who said illiberal capitalism if you are confusing me
But even then I think he's right, Not as harsh but the meaning still stands
Capitalism is always illiberal, but I get what he meant
>>521674>does death by way of state violence just not exist in liberal nations?In idealistic liberalism, no. But liberals live through idealisms thus such a thing doesn't exist, so even "liberal capitalism" =/= fascism might sound a fallacy, but then again, as long the worker doesn't feel its life threatened, the illusion of liberal capitalism exists.
Illiberal capitalism, fascism, is just violence in control of capitalism. Nazis are the ethnofasicsm form of fascism but focused on hating the da joos.
>>521686That is not what I said, but you clearly care more acting smug than to honestly discuss
So no point in talking further.
>>521681Okay maybe I believe in mens rigthts
What do we do bros
WHY DO WE ALWAYS GET FUCKED IN WAR TIME
>>521702Link plz. Also why not watch it on cytube?
I'm at work so I can't participate.
>>521677The national bourgeoise are more progressive than the imperialist bourgeoise according to marxist theory. The imperialist bourgeoise is the most reactionary bourgeoise and is wholly uninvolved in production, unlike the national bourgeoise. The national bourgeoise also doesn't obviously practice imperialism, but limits it's exploitation to the domestic proletariat, instead of exploiting entire nations and bribing off their own working-class. This is true of Russia, as they have their own proletariat and doesn't have a parasitic relation to the global South, their economy can rather easily be transformed into a socialist one when the proletariat takes charge.
Russia should be critically supported as a weapon against the Western labor aristocracy and imperialism.
The imperialist forces are the main enemy, even the Russian Communist Party says this because they knew that an imperialist war is not a solution.
https://cprf.ru/2022/02/gennady-zyuganov-it-is-time-to-put-a-stop-to-natos-actions-to-turn-ukraine-into-a-fascist-state-2/Multipolar divisions in the bourgeoisie economy has always created favourable territory for future communist insurrection.
>>521685>Both sides are bad. Russia is slightly more bad because it attacks firstFatherless viewpoint tbqh
>>521713ASB pointed out that's a Ukrainian SU27. Either they were intentionally attacking their own population or they are retarded. Matches consistently with the pilot that deserted to Romania: He didn't want to execute these things.
Ukrainians' command wants to make people hate Russians as much as possible (consistent with the order that everyone must take molotovs cocktails and throw to Russians military)
>>521719>>521720Peace was never an option.
Better this than escalating the nuclear option with NATO missiles right on Russias border
>>521714I'm some other anon. I was curious what you're referring to.
Thanks for the updates. And got you, regarding the streaming of third party websites.
Sleep, comrade!
>>521717There's no indication that it's a military town. I want to believe that they were being efficient with their bombings and hence bombing a random ass town makes no sense, but who knows.
It could also have been a random rural airplane runway. The strike was very close too.
>>521722based post.
>>521720Did Putin's propaganda make the Ukraine defense ministry's official twitter account announce the conscription of Ukrainian children?
They'll only stop dying with a Russian victory. May Bentley hang up the victory banner in Maidan square beside the battered corpse of Yuri Galushkin.
>>521722>The national bourgeoise are more progressive than the imperialist bourgeoise according to marxist theoryshow me
>The national bourgeoise also doesn't obviously practice imperialismlul
>but limits it's exploitation to the domestic proletariat, instead of exploiting entire nations and bribing off their own working-classyou really don't know much on anything
>their economy can rather easily be transformed into a socialist one when the proletariat takes charge.and i'm sure supporting its bourgeoise will help that happen right?
>The imperialist forces are the main enemy, even the Russian Communist Party says thisthe Russian Communist Party also encourages collaboration with the orthodox church
>>521718You can see this very clearly in the footage where there are civilians just milling around or driving down the street while there's artillery landing around them. It's just not possible to evacuate the whole population – and what mass evac would mean is a huge refugee crisis spilling over into other Eastern European countries anyways. Civilians have comprised most deaths in conflict since World War II because of urbanization. There are simply too many people nowadays to wage a conflict without killing a lot of them.
>>521723>ASB pointed out that's a Ukrainian SU27.ASB is a Russian shill account though that gets a lot of things wrong.
>>521737>ASB is a Russian shill account though that gets a lot of things wrong.name one.
so far they have debunked ukrainian dissinfo much more than they get things wrong, in this particular scenario.
>>521737>ASB is a Russian shill account though that gets a lot of things wrong.>>521739 (me)
Also, what has anything to do with the point of ukrainians attacking ukrainians? instead of a strawman criticizing the source, can you debunk it?
>>521721>>521734>Russia is an imperiliast country, albeit weakened but there should be no trust to it.>you really don't know much on anythingNo, they are not imperialist. You make the mistake of most people and is to talk about imperialism without knowing what imperialism is outside of the liberal definition. Read Lenin and then you'll see how what Russia is doing is not imperialism at all and in reality you'll see how Russia foreign policy is the greatest anti imperialist force in the world right now. If you read Lenin you should remember how imperialism has defined characteristics for what concern capital merging and export, concentration of production and internationalization of capitalism. If you remember is the export of capital distinguished from the export of commodities. The imperialist definition simply don't fit Russia's policy.
>and i'm sure supporting its bourgeoise will help that happen right?Russia is on the opposite fighting against imperialism, by Lenin's own words, the highest stage of capitalism. The national bourgeois of Russia are fighting capitalism like a socialist country would do, it is natural and for a socialist to support the only force that is actively fighting against international capitalism.
Now if you're not socialist or you're against Lenin and are using another definition for imperialism then is useless to continue debating, since we are talking about two different things
>>521738a boilerplate response, they know well that there is no significant domestic resistance to the war; the protests have been about the same size as regular opposition protests that occur every few months. and its unlikely that the war will drag on enough to have big effects on proles at home in russia
>>521743 Communist Party of Azerbaijan
Party of Labour of Austria
Communist Party of Bangladesh
Communist Party of El Salvador
Communist Party of Greece
Communist Party of Kurdistan-Iraq
Workers Party of Ireland
Socialist Party of Latvia
Communist Party of Mexico
New Communist Party of the Netherlands
Communist Party of Pakistan
Peruvian Communist Party
Philippines Communist Party [PKP 1930]
Romanian Socialist Party
Communist Party of the Workers of Spain
Communist Party of Sweden
Communist Party of Turkey
Union of Communists of Ukraine
Other Parties signing the Joint Statement
Communist Front (Italy)
Communist Revolutionary Party of France (PCRF)
>>521738List of signataries:
Communist Party of Azerbaijan
Party of Labour of Austria
Communist Party of Bangladesh
Communist Party of El Salvador
Communist Party of Finland
Communist Party of Greece
Communist Party of Kurdistan-Iraq
Workers Party of Ireland
Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan
Socialist Party of Latvia
Communist Party of Mexico
New Communist Party of the Netherlands
Communist Party of Pakistan
Peruvian Communist Party
Philippines Communist Party [PKP 1930]
Romanian Socialist Party
Communist Party of the Workers of Spain
Communist Party of Swaziland
Communist Party of Sweden
Communist Party of Turkey
Union of Communists of Ukraine
oh wow.
>>521715How and when? Ukrainian armed forces and neo-nazi battalions have been shelling the break-away republics throughout the war, and from the start.
Picrel is a few days before Russian operation started.
https://www.9111.ru/questions/7777777771739625/ >>521749 (me)
>The decision of the Russian Federation to initially recognize the “independence” of the so-called “Peoples’ Republics” in Donbas and then to proceed to a Russian military intervention, which is taking place under the pretext of Russia’s “self-defence”, the “demilitarization” and “defascistization” of Ukraine, was not made to protect the people of the region or peace but to promote the interests of Russian monopolies in Ukrainian territory and their fierce competition with Western monopolies.This is a lie. Russia lost already many interests in the west to protect Donbas, and to secure territory in its neighborhood.
Only in the U.s. they have been seized a lot of assets.
These people… I swear god.
>>521748>>521748>Communist Party of Bangladesh
> Communist Party of PakistanOH NO NO NO
Fucking CPI where are you guys
>>521776I fully hate it
(I have not watched it yet)
>>521764That one actually, but the parties that signed that statement all seem like pretty small parties that are part of it. There are other communist parties in Solidnet including all the governing one.
>>521763Well the CPC is a member so hope that convention center can fit 90 million people lol ;-)
>>521770Putin anti-imperialist you say ? Don't make me laugh. If he is so good he would have long recreated the Soviet Union.
Oh you deluded people who think Putin is somehow a leftist. It's so funny.
>>521782>Well the CPC is a member Yo that's like official shit
Is his party old or something , from world war ii
It's origins must be deep for them to be party
>>521802Stop it anon
Those fucking emojis are killing me, Stop making me laugh
This shit is seriious, Oh
>>521807we need to send our incels from leftypol to ukraine
doesn't matter what side, just send y'all over
scoot scoot
>>521802A REMINDER that those in here engaging in revolutionary defeatism, to justify their "neither side" haven't weakened their states, and give pathetic excuses.
They must camp now on the liberal spectrum where they get things done in 24 hours.
>>521788>>521797>Putin anti-imperialist you say ? Don't make me laugh.Russia is anti-imperialist.
>If he is so good he would have long recreated the Soviet Union. Oh you deluded people who think Putin is somehow a leftist. It's so funny.>And btw if he is so good why have he not seized the properties of the oligarch ? Oh wait, he is one of them. Surprise surprise!Yes, I know. Notice how this tramp now frames this conversation about putin in order to imply I uncritically support Phtin's politics. Do you understand "critical" in "critical support"? Obviously, we are not supporting Putin's politics and everyone fully shares the ideal of a Marxist-Leninist rebirth in Russia by the victory of the Russian Communist Party. However, this is an ideal, nothing more. Right now it is natural for socialists to support one of the biggest anti-imperialist forces that is actively fighting against international capitalism.
>>521813> revolutionary defeatiswhat is that anon
>haven't weakened their states, and give pathetic excuses.i don't get it
>>521805Me as a kid in history class: i kinda like the Soviet Union, very interesting
Me years later in leftypol:
DEATH TO AMERIKKKA, DEATH TO NATO, LONG LIVE WORLD COMMUNISM >>521804Cult of personality retards that cover up sexual abuse and harassment. Funded by the KKE. Absolute clowns that LARP as unironic Stalinists cult of personality party, despite being irrelevant.
They have good international relations, that's about it. Part of the reason why they're funded by the KKE. I really wish they didn't.
>>521825sadge
who are the KKE
>>521827I have literally NEVER posted about the KKE.
From what I read they are a highly respectable party. I am merely saying that I wish they didn't fund the PCM. There are less insane/retarded/rapist parties that could use the money in Mexico.
>>521726Ah it all makes sense now
>Sleep, comrade!Thank you brother, I will. Have a good one.
>>521830>it was used to great effect during the russian revolution.wow that sounds incredible, did they use it during WWI?
did it work
>>521838>aren't on the street right now to protest war I wonder what effect covid is gonna have to all this war and protesting
>>521846>wow that sounds incredible, did they use it during WWI?yes
>did it workyes
>>521852no no I meant in like WWI, did it work
revolutionary defeatism, not contributing to the imperialist war
>>521862>>521859We need to learn, Sounds useful
There's gonna be shit like this a lot in thefuture
No good guys
>>521848Historic PCM =/= Rapist PCM
The historic PCM was merged into the PSUM.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partido_Socialista_Unificado_de_M%C3%A9xicoThe rapist PCM is rather new and claimed the centenary history of the historic and based PCM.
>>521859yeah, but the idea of those promoters in here, that sperg 24/7 'muh neither side' is that they do their part. They'd love to see Russia fail ("to communists" when the only weakening Russia are libtards) but they won't weaken theirs.
Totally annoying.
>>521868>"to communists" when the only weakening Russia are libtards) Men, Today we are going to create communists in Russia
Let's gooooo
>>521805>>521806>>521811>>521813>>521823😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! WE WANT TO LIVE! THOSE AZOV SCUMS & NATO AMERICANS SUCKERS SHALL GO AWAY FROM UKRAINE! RUSSIA & CHINA HAS ALREADY SHOWN THEIR MIGHT OVER AMERICANS & ITS ALLIES!😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼
PLEASE SIR! MAKE IT STOP! WE TIRED OF WAR, WAR ISN'T THE SOLUTION! WE'LL ACCEPT UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER! >>521884SHUT UP
STOP IT!!!!
>>521882anon, what use does it serve really
if he laughs or not
will the blood stop spilling, if these people stop desensitizing themselves?
>>521811The George Floyd protests were supporting U.S. puppet states?
Wtf
>>521870The destroyers of 20th century socialism.
Do yall think Berlinguer foresaw such wreckage when he came up with his little trend?
>>521901keep telling yourself that breeder
critical support to volcanoists to destroy the human menace
inshallah the earth will be liberated of the insects
>>521911Yes, actually.
If the way governments conduct psyops is any indication, it is.
>>521918liberate yourself anons
bomb a border patrol station today! and post here
>>521917He would say something idiotic like confusing Ukraine with Russia or calling it a shit hole country so who cares. A bunch of libs would get impotently mad.
And nothing would changed compared to what we're seeing now.
>>521922>succession crisistrue
i watched a documentary about that on HBO
>>521910Yes.
Elaborate further? No, I don't think I will
>>521907>it is literally going to collect rent on the plants once they are builtNTA just one small question
Is china not planning on collecting rent? for the stuff it is building in africa and what not
>>521932….Just like Biden
Come on lib, keep up
>>521822Don't waste time engaging with him, he will not destabilize his liberal western country. Is a poser, and should be militating in the liberal camp doing some praxis chanting
we are the world, we are the children with yellow/blue candles
>>521932Didn't he already do that
Something happened with him and Ukraine president
Some quid pro quid shit
>>521939So
China is i-imperialist???
>>521863Yup, seems like a plausible outcome. AOC just announced to support military intervention. Therefore, her simps will follow.
Since day one, Voosh asked for Russian blood. Therfore, his shills will follow.
>>521937https://cprf.ru/2022/02/the-people-of-ukraine-must-not-be-a-victim-of-world-capital-and-oligarchic-clans-statement-of-the-cprf-cc-presidium%ef%bf%bc/They want to de-nazificate Ukraine.
>The CPRF proceeds from the need to dismantle the results of many years of efforts to Banderize Ukraine. Real policy on its territory is in many ways dictated by rabid nationalists. They terrorize Ukrainian people and foist on the authorities an aggressive political course. By caving in to this pressure Zelensky betrayed the interests of his fellow-citizens who had elected him as a president of peace in Donbass and good-neighborly relations with Russia.I still remember the copying tards in here before the war declaration when I told them they drafted the DBR recognition resolution signed by Putin, as if these people didn't know what they were doing. JFC.
>>521937What did they have to say to the about the Donbass war, the euromaidan and the refusal of Ukraine to implement Minsk2 as well as threatening to join NATO while the west pumps military aid into them?
Because if it's just Putin bad, now, then whatever.
>>521914two things:
one, others have already mentioned it, the concept is called revolutionary defeatism and Lenin advocated for it. wars between the imperialist powers, or their proxies, have no purpose to the proletariat or the other lower classes - the common folk in other words. the solution is to act as what the US in its propaganda has termed "the fifth column", to give up arms, agitate against one's country entering the war, sabotaging one's country's war effort. you get the idea.
two, the socialist internationale split following WW1 and the reason was whether to take sides or not. the Marxist answer was simple: no war but the class war. national chauvinists out!
the devastation brought by WW1 led to the "blackest reaction" that we saw in WW2. you know that one I'm sure.
>>521902The mf did it, but can't communicate how he achieved success.
>>521903What the fuck does eurocommunism even fucking mean, especially in the context of Mexico?
>>521968Whomst've?
>>521939no. US force you to take IMF loans, and then do major policy and economic law changes to cuck you out to their companies by liberalizing everything. They make sure they have the only infrastructure, the one only they need, and they never cancel debts.
China is happy just trading with your local porkies without trying to take political control of your country, cancelling debts, and helping you build your own infrastructure as long they can use it.
stop buying propaganda faggot
>>521951b-bros…
what do i do know, where are the china bros now
I have time to elaborate now but last post because starting my shift.
>>521929This is a good way of looking at it, as they should not be labelled imperialist and equated with the western financier capitalist hegemony. They don't economically exploiting countries like the west does, their economy is centered around oil and natural gas which is entirely within their own borders and mostly controlled by the state sector.
The long term benefits of critical support for the Russian national bourgeois, especially in their efforts to give african economies a better alternative to imperialism, heavily outweigh any short term negatives related to nuclear power plants as described here
>>521907>>521939>china just takes the plant as paymentmotherfucker lying faggot. Even the minister of foreign relations of the country I don't remember said that was a lie.
Fucking shit.
Jesus, the red areas are bigger now.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=180u1IkUjtjpdJWnIC0AxTKSiqK4G6Pez&ll=48.25660276410307%2C34.29313325152917&z=6 >>521969A = π (R2 – r2)
Fn = Fn-1 + Fn-2
f(x, μ, σ ) = 1σ√2πe−(x−μ)22σ2 ∫cos a + a d(a) = ∫cos a da + ∫a d(a)
= 𝔡𝔦𝔞𝔩𝔢𝔠𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔰
>>781848(me)>>521971I'm saying it because it's kind of funny how the CPRF put out this statement the 22nd of February:
https://cprf.ru/2022/02/gennady-zyuganov-it-is-time-to-put-a-stop-to-natos-actions-to-turn-ukraine-into-a-fascist-state-2/>The situation on the border between Ukraine and the Donbass republics has deteriorated to the limit. Ukrainian armed units are intensifying the shelling of the territories of the DPR and LPR creating the need for a mass evacuation of the population. Simultaneously the West and pro-Western and nationalist Ukrainian media outlets are stepping up the information war against Russia. The situation obviously points to close coordination of military provocations and information aggression.Which ends with:
"""
Everyone should be aware that democratic mechanisms in Ukraine have been abolished. After the 2014 state coup real policy on its territory is increasingly dictated by aggressive nationalist bands. Representing an absolute terrorist minority, they hold Ukrainian people in fear and impose rules of behavior on members of the political establishment. This accounts for the political transformation of Vladimir Zelensky. Elected by Ukrainians as the president of peace in Donbass and normalization of relations with Russia he became a vehicle of the opposite kind of policy.
In the current situation,
the task of liberating Ukraine from the Bandera dictatorship cannot be solved by the Ukrainian people itself. The country’s civilian population is still partly able to express its opinion through what remains of parliamentary procedures, but it cannot oppose the forces of terror which are armed to the teeth.
The task of denazification of Ukraine must become the key concern of the world community."""
So it seems quite hypocritical to start chanting "Putin Bad!" at this time.
>>521973>>521939>>521939WHO DIO I BELIEVE
LIFE IS A FUCK
NUKE ME NOW, SAVE ME AYY LMAOS
>>521985Eurocommunism meant nothing in particular , communist parties were blamed for revisionism just cause they didnt agree with cpsu on everything
In practice in most states pure soviet ml and eurocommunism was the same thing
>>521981WHAT THE FUCK, why would china do that
what do they get out of it, cucking the us for lulz?
>>521984>𝔡𝔦𝔞𝔩𝔢𝔠𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔰My uygha did it.
>>521992Based.
>>521992based lmao
t. polack living in uk
>>521981<GEEEE I POPPOO MY POOPPY PANTS<UUUWWWWWWEEEEE>>521992Based.
Slav descendant, from Levokumka!
>>522003The letter above isn't in their website, so it wasn't approved by the majority of people of the party.
>>522013There were more eurocommunists than the ones in italy and spain.
And even the spaniards never denyied revolutions were needed
>>522011but there are no anti-imperialist ventures. russia is not trying to actively combat imperialism on the world stage, and as already established is instead trying to become a part of the imperialist order.
surely you can find other reasons for critical support of russia than this? we already had to compromise that russia is actually "semi-imperialist" so we're talking about degrees of imperialism now lmao
at this point the denazification argument is less arguable
>>522016>The letters on the website aren't approved by the majority too lol. CPRF on federal level is extremely authoritarian and doesn't represent party members' views.And I guess that also represents your view, and not the rest of the party, too?
Either way, they have grown in numbers, and their leadership seems very stable. If the base wanted to have another leader they would split/overthrow their party. This hasn't happened, so my guess is that your statement seems unreal.
>>522026Keep pretending Ukrainian government is all good and dandy.
Face facts, they don't keep Azov group and praise Bandera for a reason.
Ultimately China is the biggest winner here.
>>522020> so we're talking about degrees of imperialism now lmaoObviously there are degrees, it's based on the country's role in the capitalist world system and flows of capital. The same way EU peripheries also benefit from the 3rd world super-exploitation, hence some call these European countries "semi-peripheries" instead.
>>522026The US wanted to force a limited conflict and Russia, which has pretty much been forced into taking action is taking the path that most benefits them now. If Russia played by their rules and just BTFO's Ukraine from the Donbass republics then NATO gets to consolidate, sanction and all the rest and Russia gets
nothing. So why would they measure their response by the US's playbook?
It just so happens that removing the NATO puppet government and the nazis is a win for everyone except the US lol. So what if Putin installs his own puppet? Russia want's a buffer, they don't want war while the US just want's to grind Ukraine into dust against Russia.
>>522033mmmmm….
>not splitting>makes an statement that contradicts the federalist postion>mfwif anything, they might get expelled.
>>522042That could be possible, and indeed getting contradicting stuff out in the open is harmful.
I was just pointing out though that at least they don't shatter in 291919 microsects like in the West.
>>522050<ReformersI hope these people get liquidated ASAP, otherwise they'll be SUBMERGED by glowie money in little time.
<Marxist-LeninistsCream of the crop people
>Left-wing nationalists<Literally influenced by TNO-tier fascistsYeah I'm saying EXTRAcringe
>>522053Fact : Chvnese are the most powerful race>
>781944He made it up
>>521493I missed the last 10 threads lmao
>NO age restrictionsFucking hell lads
>>522067>Except the ones who don'tDo you have examples?
The Ukraine poster in these threads made a post to that effect, and CPSU released a similar statement. By all means provide a counter-example, but if they are deviating from a reasonable/correct line then may they indeed are not actually communists. If some organization like the DSA is talking about how NATO should defend Ukraine yeah I'd say they aren't real communists.
>>522025About Mexico, sorry i don't really know anon. I'm Brazilian, speaking from our own experience with the PCB which was also hijacked by eurocoms and is a neolib party today ("Citizenship", blandest name ever)
>>522032Why do chess players end up like that? Complete loonies. Fischer, Kasparov
>>522072>Meh, when Russia was in charge they pursued a heavy neolib policy which is part of why people ended up revolting two times.Neoliberalism is less harmful than being an imperial colony, but that's not even really the point, because the impetus behind revolts was NATO turning them into a puppet state. There are always factions within a country who oppose the current situation, no matter what it is. "HURR DURR THEY HAD A REVOLT" doesn't mean anything unless you look at what concretely backed it up, which in many cases today is a foreign power (particularly a western one) changing the guard to a puppet regime that will serve western influences (in other words a colony).
>If they really could have gone in the EU it would have been better for them and they knew it.Part of why things have played out how they have is because they were hoping for NATO to pay them back, but they don't appreciate the asymmetry of the situation. They were never going to be let into the western sphere of influence because they were not useful in that way.
>Being in the western sphere didn't solve their problems though and they couldn't get their economy up even after closing worker orgsSince when does that help the economy? Man you're really starting to glow.
>>522083Kiev still not under Putin's control but he's getting closer. Looks like it's correct that he's mainly pursuing regime change.
>>522084Based and friend pilled
What did you eat
>>522085>Kyiv airport retaken by Ukraine,So the VDV there were wiped out?
rip
>>522089bro is that dude gonna get himself killed?
wouildn't a tank shoot him?
what is the best spot to throw this shit form? i think from high up above where you they can't see you no?
>>522084>>522085Sumy was taken by Russia. The city of Chernobyl enclosed more with Russian forces.
The map size of Russian control has increased by huge chucnk.
Mariupol, Melitopol…
>>522094I strongly doubt that shit could work on tanks.
Maybe on Grads and lighter things like that.
Luckily enough the Ukrops are not aware of the Houthipill to face APCs.
>>522087Reddit is a glow hive. Any time there's a political event of any significance you see this shit. The most obvious case was when the Hillary Clinton campaign purchased spambots (and probably also glowies behind the scenes of the site itself) to spam her political line, because it was so sharply contrasted with the overwhelmingly pro-Sanders posts that were covering the site the previous day. In fact you can usually scroll down a couple of comments to see people with much more reasonable takes. The important thing isn't censorship but dominating conversation, and they are always finding the "hot" or rising threads, posting the glow narrative in a comment, and getting that comment to the top ASAP (probably just editing the vote value directly since unlike twitter you can't see who contributes the points). They do the same with the actual posts, but they also tend to delete or hide the main posts more when they disagree with the narrative.
Eglin Airforce Base was "most addicted city" on reddit according to their own blog post.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160604042751/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html And Ghislaine Maxwell was allegedly a power mod with ties to administrators. She might even be the reason /r/jailbait stayed on the site so long.
>>522099Modern BTCs/Russian tanks have smoke curtains to extinguish the fire.
>>522095>>522083Also, the first Mi-24 appearance in the air, there is a video with like 3 of them in the air. Soon most of the ukrainian APCs/Tanks will be down.
>>522107i dunno, the lack of action of NATO on ukraine can just as easily bring parallels to how useless the league of nations was and how you're going to be used for american brinksmanship instead.
(yes i know those are two separate things, but the parallel exists because both in theory are meant to "stop war", the only reason why i bring this up is because i've already heard it as an argument from someone who is not interested in any theory and outraged by this whole affair)
Russia preparing to send delegates to Minsk.
https://t.me/bbbreaking/116527>Russia is ready to send its delegation to Minsk for talks with Ukraine, press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov said.>As you know, today the President of Ukraine Zelensky announced his readiness to discuss the neutral status of Ukraine. Initially, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the purpose of the operation was to help the LPR and the DPR, including through the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. And this, in fact, is an integral component of the neutral status," Peskov said.>"In this context, in response to Zelensky's proposal, Vladimir Putin is ready to send a Russian delegation to Minsk at the level of representatives of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the presidential administration for negotiations with the Ukrainian delegation," the presidential press secretary said.>>521963thats possible but people here told me he betrayed the Soviet Union straight up when the white house was burning and I just cant see where.
Maybe he became a pussy later, his strawberry farm shit is surely weak but when people start with a wrong claim I cant help but dismiss them until further notice
>>522126In the earlier phase of the Yemen War Ansarallah traps were made of:
1)Some 0,20 euros lighters
2)The will of Allah
Yet they were crushing 200 000 $ APCs on multiple occasions, to the point they installed a giant lighter in Sanaa to celebrate it.
>>522106How many calories was that
>>522113I truly do not know, Is the thing about Donbas genocide real?
>>522051the site was unreachable several hours ago
>>522052shut up, cretin
>>522123i hate that i thinki know what pat soc means
Patroitic socialists? I fucking hate it, I hate nationalism so much
>>522139To be fair I'm glad Zyucucknov has to face some opposition from the left inside his own party.
It means that commitment to socialism its still alive among the base of the party.
>>522107> In my country increasing number of people want a referendum on exiting NATO, to the point that it's become a talking point for some leftists parties. But the counter-propaganda from cuck parties will be very insane and effective after this. "Ukraine would have been saved if it was part of NATO, communist traitors want Russian hordes in our country, etc." And majority of people, who otherwise don't care either way, will fall for it.I see your point, but NATO is failing at its purpose. In the short term it might hold together, but even in this case the propaganda could go the other way.
>>522111cope
>>521738Theorylets gonna theorylet.
For fuck's sake this whole situation is hardly a "meat grinder." Russia has been very swiftly taking power with relatively few casualties. They pretty obviously just want to change the government from NATO puppet to Russia puppet what dabbing on NATO.
>>522142Because the Biden regime are a bunch of amateurs. They don't have any competent statepeople.
>>522145FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK>>522146This pretty much sums it up.
>>522130I think the strawberry farm is that other dude, Grudinin.
>>522145Oops
>>521486dude knows all this yet has zero class concisouness to understand why would the US porkies do all this
making profit triumps ideology, when will the libs learn
>>522007>>521491what's so scary? we will do the same to anti-socialists when we have global power
everyone must be nake, this is their truth
>>522129Why is that special, who is he
>>522136lol, cheers!
>>522148what would have been a smarter move by the biden adminstration then? i want to understand
>>522156RUSSIA CLAY MUST PAY
YOU HURT ROMANIA, YOU HUR THE WORLD!
>>5221581) APCs (not tanks usually, even if Ansarallah soldiers swear they also did it with them) rolling
2) Crushes the lighter(s)
3) Lighters set alight the vehicle
4) Driver is forced to abandon the vehicle and gets shot
5) APC is left to burn or destroyed
>>522131yeah, baby, but they require training and technique. a molotov requires you to have 0 brains.
I have read techniques how to do the lighter trap and is annoying as hell. This is really struggling against imerpiaism how looks like.
>>522155>what would have been a smarter move by the biden adminstration then?Just gonna relink the post for context
>>5219811) It's stupid to think that it would work to appeal to China to avert war. US and Russia are major geopolitical rivals. China is happy to watch them fight.
2) This means that sharing sensitive information like this with China is stupid because it shows them (a) valuable intel about Russia, which might be directly useful and can validate their own intel and (b) reveals information about US intel capabilities. It also shows the US is stupid enough to share this information.
The fact that it's known that China shared the intel with Russia means that China doesn't even care, probably because the intel isn't even that useful or important, and because doing this publicly embarrasses the US terribly and heightens tensions between the US and Russia.
>>522206>no US interventionthere is already US intervention. Stop screaming empty slogans. Either say USA fuck off from Ukraine or stay silent with your lib idiocy.
>Debsliteral anti-communist revisionist
read a fucking book
>>522217>>no US intervention>there is already US intervention.and? "No X" doesn't mean "No X except for X that already exists." And they are clearly talking about responses in this context. You can't explain the history of the situation in a tweet.
>>Debs>literal anti-communist revisionistlol
>>522217So you wanted swear words, and wokescolding about some socdem quote
I don't know what you were expecting here,
This was the most based soc-dem thing they could say while still being soc-dems
>>522233*Births a new child*
FUCK
>>522280NEVER!
I for one believe in the truest human ideal, Lazyness!
Not to war because I don't wanna get up and stranger things new season is coming out soon
CONSOOM, NO WAR
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