No.521480[Last 50 Posts]
TOTAL WAR EDITIONTO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/ (not always reliable)
LATESTUkraine conflict: Fighting rages near Kyiv after Russia invasion
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60513116Russian forces approaching Kyiv from northeast & east; Ukrainian Prez pleads for help (LIVE UPDATES)
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/newsblogs/russia-ukraine-war-crisis-news-live-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-latest-updates/liveblog/89813650.cmsRussia attacks Ukraine live updates: Russian forces close on Kyiv (LIVE UPDATES)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/russian-troops-advancing-closer-to-kyiv-us-says-liveblogLatest updates: Ben Wallace says Russia’s ambition is to invade 'the whole of Ukraine’ but its forces have so far lost around 450 personnel
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/feb/25/uk-politics-live-boris-johnson-russia-invasion-ukraine-latest-updatesMany Are Stranded by the War in Ukraine, From Students to Soccer Players, and Reportedly a Hollywood Name
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/many-are-stranded-by-the-war-in-ukraine-from-students-to-soccer-players-and-reportedly-a-hollywood-name/ar-AAUhRKkANALYSISSergey Karaganov: Russia’s new foreign policy, the Putin Doctrine
https://www.rt.com/russia/550271-putin-doctrine-foreign-policy/Why Biden didn’t negotiate seriously with Putin
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously–
N.B. to other OPs: refresh the news, don't just copy paste the old OPN.B. to people screaming "Western sources! reeeeeee!", in times of war like this, you have to get info from wherever you can. it is up to the reader to use critical thinking skills and choose what to believe No.521483
Ziolensky and his tavor touting cia zionazi paramilitary finna get rocketed.
I like this.
Cuck Nato literally slurp the black semen from putins fat oligarch oil pipeline dick, whimpering about sanctions between gagging sessions
Hilarious.
Capitalist pigdogs riding their neon contradiction waves of irradiated heavily plastic littered water right onto a dead rocky beach strewn with empty beer cans and condoms.
Help me Gonzalo wan Guzman you are our only hope
No.521484
>>521482Chinese meme or taiwanese meme?
No.521485
At 5:30 a.m. Moscow time, new attacks on Kiev with cruise missiles began. One of them was shot down by Ukrainian air defense, and the cruise missile fell on a residential building. 8 people were injured.
A Ukrainian Su-27 was shot down. Strikes take place on Kiev, mainly in the districts of Svyatoshinsky and Kotsyubinsky.
In Gostomel/Hostomel, Russian forces continue to hold out.
At Pavlovka, west of Zhytomyr, itself very west of Kiev, the landing of Russian troops has been reported.
https://t.me/rybar/25068 No.521487
>>521480It only took 2 days for the Volkstruum to be formed.
No.521488
>>521481Not really comparable (so far). Much, much less civilian deaths in the Russian invasion. Could change, but I doubt it will.
Still both shit, but one is clearly worse than the other.
No.521490
>>521488>Not really comparable (so far). Much, much less civilian deaths in the Russian invasion.Uyghur the invasion started yesterday.
No.521491
>>521486>this is the future the anti-putinites wantnightmare shit
No.521495
>>521480>N.B. to other OPs: refresh the news, don't just copy paste the old OPWhat does 'refresh the news' mean? Why not just standardize general sources for the OP like liveuamap and whatever channels are providing updates and leave the news updates to the posts?
No.521497
>>521494>The Return of Historyhow many times can the fukuyamaist illusion be broken before liberals finally get it lmao
No.521498
>>521490Also unlike the burgers they aren't strafing fleeing civilians
No.521499
Any livestreams left in Kiev?
No.521503
>>521495You know what I'm going to be proactive. Let's start a list for next OP to post:
liveuamap.com
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUahttps://twitter.com/mfa_russiaWhat else should go in?
BTW Lavrov live now.
No.521504
>>521494Fukuyama on suicide watch.
No.521505
>>521501The stream is showing yesterday, you can see the cloudy sky. Today is a clear sky in Kiev.
No.521507
>>521497If Fukuyama admintted himself he was wrong but Libs still held onto his thought afterward there is no hope they'll ever move.
No.521508
>>521494kek, the dialectics is in motion
No.521509
>>521506Wtf? Is that Psaki in the middle?
No.521512
>>521483Dustbin of history
Get in
No.521514
>>521495>What does 'refresh the news' mean?Post the latest headlines.
No.521515
>>521514Like I was pointing out. That should be the job of the posters, not the OP. OP should be links that are actively providing updates.
No.521517
Brainlet here. How likely is it that Belarus get integrated into Russia?
No.521518
>>521488They are comparable, because both used a lie as a pretext for invasion
No.521520
>>521503Nobody else watching/listening to this? Way more interesting than anything in this thread RN. Maybe we should make a cytube.
No.521521
>>521503CNN btfo
Close to getting thrown out
No.521522
>>521520LMAO technical difficulties. Looks like no one can into working audio visual.
No.521523
>>521517It basically is part of Russia already in official terms. Even more since the attempted coup, since now Luka only has Putin because west wants to get rid of him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State No.521524
>>521519oh wow that's the silly little sex number!
No.521525
>>521494>Putin SHATTERED Europes dreamsHow fucking dramatic
No.521526
>>521523yeah I know about the union state, I was more thinking about if there would be a referendum or something resulting in an official annexation, making Belarus a state of Russia or something like that
No.521527
>>521503Tune the fuck in yall. He's laying it all out.
No.521528
>>521503>If he banned English language what would be your response, I'm asking my western counterpartsJust now
No.521530
>>521503It's a fucking zoom meeting.
No.521531
>>521493> military outlet tells citizens to make weapons in form of Molotov cocktails and throw them at Russian military in Kiev — this turns them all into targets and no longer grants status of protection as civilians.I wonder how many civs actually care enough for the government to defend it.
It’s not like they ever got anything out of it.
No.521532
>>521503Goddamn listen to this last answer. Too long for me transcribe but a lot of info.
No.521533
Is there any proof now that Russians are moving into Kiev?
There have been such reports earlier this morning.
No.521536
>>521529kek what happened to that totally real irl ace combat protag the ukrops totally had
No.521540
>>521531Probably people in the (ex-polish) western Ukraine will be the most likely to take up arms, since they have always been the most anti-Russian of them all , even against the Russian in their own country.
No.521541
>>521531Organized crime in Ukraine just got a bunch of free weapons.
No.521542
This is fucking horrific.
No.521544
>>5215405 € to them killing the minorities of western ukraine (hungarians, poles, roma) cause that's what fascists know best.
No.521545
>>521529why tf are you like this?
No.521547
>>521541Yesterday in Kiev only 10000 firearms were distributed.
Likely similar scenes took place in other cities.
Ukraine is going to be awash with firearms after all this.
(And I wouldn't exclude glowies contributing to this in the future).
No.521549
>>521545The government is pure evil and needs to be stopped from throwing innocent Ukrainians into the meatgrinder.
No.521550
>>521544this uygha knows what up, they will massacre trade unionists, foreigners and others until they face a real army where they will run away
No.521551
>>521497Libs are literally stuck in time
No.521552
>>521549so why act like a memefag fanboy for a nation that's just as bad?
No.521553
>>521546Texas said the Ukrainians might use a chemical attack in desperation and now the Media is pushing muh russian false flag chemical attack narrative. I really hope he is not right about this one but holy fuck
No.521554
>>521552I don't see America invading them right now. Go on
No.521556
>>521553BOTH SIDES JUST AS BAD
No.521557
>>521538>the Alamo >that battle where a bunch of settlers got blasted to oblivion because they fucked themselves strategically and underestimated the Mexican army.lel ok
No.521561
>>521558Show me the American units invading Ukraine right now and I'll go enlist
Until then, Russia is it.
No.521562
>>521561is your entire opinion just purely based on whether the US is involved?
No.521563
>>521561Ukrops are literally fighting with NATO's gifts
No.521565
>>521562No, the Ukrainian government needs to be destroyed. You're bitching about me supporting Russia in doing it.
If you want me to support whatever country you live in, go call your congressman or stop whining
No.521566
Who are the safest people during such times? I want to make myself safe in such situations
Is it babies? Average Joe? Bureaucratic people? People who know passwords?
Technical people who know the documents and how to work the water supplies?
Surely it's not the president
Are the army people the first to be killed? Or would they keep them for army secrets?
No.521568
>>521559I don't get the meme
No.521569
>>521555How long until we see Ukrainian soldiers and conscripts hanged in the streets with a sign hanging from their necks saying "Verräter!"
No.521570
>>521565He is, may Allah forgive me for uttering this word, an Angloid.
No.521572
>>521565i'm not from the US, i'm complaining about you acting like a memefag for russia in a imperialist war since supporting bouruosie states in imperialist wars kinda goes against what being a communist is
No.521573
>>521569what did your parents do to you that made you turn out this way?
No.521574
can't fucking russia BTFO the government without fucking bombing civilians for fucks sake?
No.521575
>>521569That's so fucked up man
I hate nationalism
No.521576
>>521572The Ukrainians are literally conscripting child soldiers according to their blue checkmark and google translate. I'll support whoever destroys their state.
No.521577
>>521573Just saying that it is going to happen.
Fascists are well known for being this way.
No.521578
>>521571anyone else feel like these are fake as fuck
No.521579
>>521574are civilian deaths making your shilling for a bourgeoise state difficult?
No.521580
>>521577how is Ukraine fascist?
No.521581
Nations were a mistake
No.521582
>>521569The fact people believe stuff like this is proof large numbers of people on this site suffer from a serious mental illness.
No.521586
>>521568Girl period+cry
Boy cry
Ukrainian pees himself+ cries which coincidentally results in the colors of the Ukrainian flag.
No.521587
>>521579>bourgeoise state w-where
i got my bouj-be-gone spray right here comrades
No.521589
>>521576so you just purely base your opinion on what age groups nations recruit from? i think marx said the same thing lmao
No.521590
>>521587joke so funny it deserves a netflix special
No.521591
>>521582I mean is horrifying stuff happening under war really that hard to believe?
No.521592
>>521590thank you anon, i try my best
i am a humble humorer after all
No.521593
>>521582You know this literally happened in nazi germany in 1945 right?
Not saying they should, just that it's going to happen, ukrainian right-wing militias will go and start executing deserters cause that's the best they can do, kill people who do not intend to fight.
No.521594
>>521560he comes across as someone who's in way over his head and knows he's fucked, he looks completely miserable here
No.521597
>>521574>can't fucking russia BTFO the government without fucking bombing civilians for fucks sake?You don't to push the war button without killing civilians.
No.521598
>>521576Ukrainians:
Try to conscript kids;
Report their own casualties, including from friendly fire, as Russian casualties;
have neonazis in their army;
put minefields in front of civilians;
ukrainian deserters run over civilian cars while running away;
shelling civilians in Donbass even when Ukraine itself is getting overrun by Russians;
Ghost of fucking Kiev
why would anyone ever say that Russia is the same? Why?
No.521599
>>521594If you only knew how bad things really are
He feels like the reddit president, idk why
No.521600
>>521593Anons here cannot tell the difference between people describing a situation and endorsing a situation.
No.521601
>>521547>Yesterday in Kiev only 10000 firearms were distributed.It was 18,000 machine guns in Kiev alone, apparently.
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1497159002886606850 No.521602
>>521574Unless all officials building were built hundred of kilometers away from the closest housing, then no it's impossible.
No.521604
>>521566the safest people are the ones not in ukraine, anon. Otherwise, it's very context dependent. Camping out at metro stations is a good idea.
I don't think you can make yourself a baby, but if you figure out how, please let me know.
>>521542It is.
>>521493My government is not nearly as corrupt. I would
NEVER fight for it. Not even if the US was invading. Who cares who our masters are? My life is much more precious.
There are many mixed families. Why the fuck would they be fighting russians? These are normal office workers being given guns and told to shoot people. Fuck off. I would use them to barricade and protect wherever we are. Maybe scrap together a sign that says we have no skin in the game and want to be left alone.
Who knows how savage the russian army is being. This is a horrible situation. Disgusting. Truly horrific.
No.521605
>>521597They don't bomb civilians.
>>521598Oh, forgot the suicide bombing their own bridges to stop Russian troops from advancing
No.521606
Is it true that there is a Nazi Division in the Ukranian army?
Give me the whole truith
No.521607
>>521596i was being sarcastic, i was making fun of the guy using ukraine training the underage as reasoning for supporting one bourgeoise state against another on a supposedly communist website. It's like saying you support the US in Vietnam because of child soldiers
No.521610
>>521606the military unit is Azov battalion and it saw a lot of fighting in Crimea if i remember right, retards use it as "proof" that Ukraine is fascist since they have no idea what fascism actually is.
No.521611
>>521579What is the alternative you stupid fuck?
No.521612
>>521608Anglo sources wouldn't know how to report the truth even if they wanted to
No.521616
>>521611supporting the proletariat
No.521617
>>521610>Azov battalionWhat are they and why do they exist
Is it an unofficial group of rightoid soldiers with reactionary beliefs?
No.521618
>>521610This.
Fascism is when you hate jews very much, the more you hate jews the fascistier.
No.521619
>>521616Nice abstraction, so what is the alternative?
No.521620
>>521609I’m going to be curious when this is all over who killed more civilians
No.521621
>>521617They no longer exist as a battalion, they were absorbed into the national guard. They are followers of stepan bandera (hitler's cuck)
No.521622
>>521608fucking anglos toryboy child diddlers
No.521623
>>521616How, retard? Where is the proletariat for itself?
Fucking idealistic stupid fucking retard.
No.521624
>>521619supporting the proletariat in all its actions and struggles against Capital, this little know writer called marx wrote alot on the subject, you should check him out
No.521627
>>521618Fascism is Capitalism's final form
As a government it is easy to determine what is fascism
But as people, It is kinda hard since rightoids are stupid and have no knowledge or ideas most of the time about the systems they want or want to build
So taking antisemitism is a decent cue, I would say, just for people
If they're violent especially
No.521629
>>521619Not cheering forces who are not socialists for starters.
No.521630
>>521619Based. I hate these platitude commie motherfuckers as well.
No.521631
>>521624You tried being clever anon… but you failed.
No.521632
>>521627>>521628give me your detailed definition of what you think fascism is
No.521633
>>521627>Fascism is Capitalism's final formand nazis would be the ethno form of fascism. It is a flavor, if you will, of fascism.
No.521634
>>521624Very Kosher. Nothing objectionable. Nothing that means anything at all. I give you 10 Marx points comrade.
No.521635
>>521617Basically neo-nazi paramilitaries that were integrated into the armed forces of ukraine.
>>521624arrogant fuck. WHERE IS THE PROLETARIAT FOR ITSELF?! Do you support the nazi proletariat too? idiot.
No.521636
>>521567Except the puppet is in prison
No.521638
>>521632iliberal capitalism. As I said here
>>521633 nazis are just a form of fascism, ethnofascism.
No.521639
>>521631yeah i guess asking people who larp as communists to actually act like communist is a pretty hard thing to do
No.521641
>>521628>>521627People taking
>>521618 seriously.
Autism and it's consequences have been a disaster for /leftypol/kind
No.521642
>>521623lol
I guess it is important for them to have built a solid proletariat solidarity and instiutions of power in ukraine before all this happened
At least then the proles of there could have some say
No.521644
>>521634>Nothing objectionableit's the most objectionable thing you can do against capitalist states, class struggle is literally the most threatening thing to them and entire nations have been formed with the specific purpose of countering it
No.521645
>>521639Definitely harder to do than making holier-than-thou posts on a mongolian goat herding forum.
No.521646
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Russia will not allow neo-Nazis to rule in Ukraine - Lavrov
⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️
No.521648
>>521641Why is it wrong or autistic to express or expand upon your ideas, even on the base of a joke?
I don't think you know what autism means
No.521649
>>521638that's not what fascism is
No.521650
>>521608Again the Anglo's present themselves as having such high intelligence capabilities that they are more aware of Russian military operations and plans than the Russian military itself.
No.521651
Sources in the Russian Defense Ministry report that the intelligence officers have been given a special order to try, if possible, to prevent A. Turchinov from escaping from Ukraine. They want to try him exponentially for unleashing a war in eastern Ukraine and war crimes.
No.521653
>>521645how the fuck is "act like communists" holier-than-thou?
No.521654
>>521650the anglo still hasn't shed the delusion of empire
No.521655
>>521649It is. Is when capitalism becomes violent in different ways in order to secure profits. Ilieberal capitalism.
What else is, then?
No.521657
>>521632I just did, It's liberalism without any subtext of freedom or bullshit
It's raw skinning of the prole for all he is worth, with no fruit at the end
Absolute slave labor, Maximum production and profit for the bourgeoisie, Outright strings and puppet masters in the form of the factory owners controlling the government
No.521658
>>521649What do you think it is then?
No.521660
>>521655>Is when capitalism becomes violent in different ways in order to secure profitsCapital is always violent in it's pursuit of accumulating commodities this is redundant. if that's the definition than every nation on earth is fascist
No.521661
>>521656Imagine thinking the manifesto is relevant today. Even Engels said it's an outdated document. You could have at least posted wage labour and capital.
No.521662
>>521642Your original comment is honestly infuriating, I really hope you're trolling.
This is a horrible situation Ukranians are in and it is in great part because of the defeat of leftists all around the world and particularly in ukraine. The proletariat is completely in the hands of the Russian and Ukranian government. We are forced to analyze which outcome is the least harmful for the peoples of ukraine. A disgusting scenario, no doubt.
So to say "you should support the proletariat" is a pretty detached demand and honestly incredibly insensible to the proletariat of Ukraine.
No.521663
>>521658The ruling class organising and mobilising the middle class and big bourgeoise with the purpose of defeating the organised proletariat
No.521664
>>521661i think you're thinking of principles of communism which engels and marx pointed out as outdated and incomplete
No.521665
>>521660>if that's the definition than every nation on earth is fascistYes
But now they still hold some BS and do some finger waggling when corporations do bad thing
This is without even that, It's the truth of capitalism out in the open without much resistance left to fight back in the place of its taking place
No.521666
>>521659If you mean the removing of restrictions thing, it might as well mean people over 60, don't jump to conclusions.
No.521667
>>521665>Yeslmao, hope undergrads going well
No.521668
>>521660>Capital is always violent Not always. We are talking about real violence, not some weird-ass deviated form of violence, like passive violence. Fascism, literal violence with physical violence, use of force, and psychological torture. When the person subject to the acts feels its life endangered.
No.521669
>>521668>its lifelol, their*
No.521670
>>521662>So to say "you should support the proletariat" is a pretty detached demand and honestly incredibly insensible to the proletariat of Ukraine.this is the funniest thing i've read today
No.521671
>>521662I am not the guy you were replying to anon
No.521672
>>521624>supporting the proletariat in all its actions and struggles against CapitalMore abstraction. Here is an actual concrete position to take: critical support for national industrial bourgeois of Russia in their struggle against western imperialist encirclement. This imperialist attack on Russia is not in isolation from the general world-imperialist offensive against the proletariat of the world.
If you don't understand how critical support for Russia helps the working classes of Ukraine and Russia, then it's clear that you are merely some kind of anglo american. Communists work with what they have, not with abstract ideals like "if the working class dont spontaneously rise up then its a nothingburger". This infact is what imperialists want idealists like you to do. Imperialism wishes to destroy the nation so that the proletariat of a nation has nothing to rally under.
No.521673
>>521660Keyword is
ways Anon. Liberals says you're free to not work, just starve, Fascists don't embarass themselves with that kind of hypocrisy and straight up put a gun on your head so you meet the factory's quotas.
No.521674
>>521668>Fascism, literal violence with physical violence, use of force, and psychological torture. When the person subject to the acts feels its life endangereddoes death by way of state violence just not exist in liberal nations?
No.521675
Lavrov says Russia will negotiate once the Ukrainian army surrenders.
No.521676
>>521667Right, cause it's not like people are pissing in amazon warehouse factories and dying of heart attacks while their co-workers are forced to work despite rotting bodies
It's not like children below the ages of 10 work in factories to generate profit for their malnourished factory
We all live in happy magic human rights land
No.521677
>>521672>critical support for national industrial bourgeois of Russia in their struggle against western imperialist encirclementlul
No.521678
>>521666We've already seen Azov training a 79 year old granny earlier this month.
I didn't want to believe the Russian propaganda casus belli but it's looking a bit more believable now, courtesy of Ukraine's own government.
No.521679
>>521663So we agree? Why are you being a technical andy
No.521680
>>521675Yeh I was trying to live cover it but the thread would rather debate the pontifications of the random assholes ITT.
>>521543>>521503 No.521683
>>521679that's not even close to what you said
No.521684
>>521664was the manifesto not wrote before everything else? as a commission job?
No.521685
Both sides are bad. Russia is slightly more bad because it attacks first, but don't think NATO is good. They just provoked the bear so that they would have a clean hand. But the people won't fall for it.
No.521686
>>521676thanks for admitting that you think fascism is just when bad things happen
No.521687
>>521670You don't get it, do you.
HOW? Stupid fuck. you can't answer that because you're an edgy detached fuck.
No.521688
>>521684It was, and it's outdated.
No.521689
>>521680Well it got me to tune in. I think you're fine.
No.521690
>>521683Fine, whatever, argue semantics
I am not the guy who said illiberal capitalism if you are confusing me
But even then I think he's right, Not as harsh but the meaning still stands
Capitalism is always illiberal, but I get what he meant
No.521691
>>521684it was but it still holds up, the only part that marx and engles considered as "outdated" is their thoughts on national liberation, which marx considered as outdated when he learned more on british india. but t's such a small part of the text that it still holds up and gets the basic down, of course further reading is very recommended.
No.521692
>>521689Tune in to what, friend?
No.521694
>>521674>does death by way of state violence just not exist in liberal nations?In idealistic liberalism, no. But liberals live through idealisms thus such a thing doesn't exist, so even "liberal capitalism" =/= fascism might sound a fallacy, but then again, as long the worker doesn't feel its life threatened, the illusion of liberal capitalism exists.
Illiberal capitalism, fascism, is just violence in control of capitalism. Nazis are the ethnofasicsm form of fascism but focused on hating the da joos.
No.521695
>>521690>I am not the guy who said illiberal capitalism if you are confusing me i'm most definitely confusing you then
No.521696
>>521686That is not what I said, but you clearly care more acting smug than to honestly discuss
So no point in talking further.
No.521697
>>521681Seriously, I would have taken that AK they were handing out like candy, shot this motherfucker and defected to russians
No.521698
>>521681thats some dystopian shit
No.521699
>>521691>d engles considered as "outdated" is their thoughts on national liberation, which marx considered as outdated when he learned more on british indiawhere did he say this? I want to read, I'm interested on what the British Raj made him change his mind
No.521700
>>521696you just brought up people suffering in their workplaces, what other conclusion would be reach with your statement?
No.521701
>>521693The Assad blessing.
No.521702
>>521692Lavrov's speech. Interesting stuff, I wish we could've watched it on cytube.
No.521703
>>521681Okay maybe I believe in mens rigthts
What do we do bros
WHY DO WE ALWAYS GET FUCKED IN WAR TIME
No.521705
>>521699i'll try and find it, might take a little while
No.521706
>>521700If you wish to reduce it down to such vulgar levels of "bad thing happened at workplace" then go ahead, I do not wish to discuss things further with you
No.521707
>>521702Link plz. Also why not watch it on cytube?
I'm at work so I can't participate.
No.521709
>>521706you know it's okay to not know what a certain term actually means
No.521711
>>521703The price of men= capable and women= helpless view of things.
No.521712
>>521693The only moral and realistic option now is indeed a quick victory for the Russians. A slugfest lasting months only means more innocent lives lost and destroyed infrastructure.
No.521714
>>521707Dude I'm tired as hell I think I got you mixed up with another anon? In any case, Lavrov's speech is over and the live stream didn't allow it to stream on third party websites anyway.
No.521715
>>521704>who are predominantly ethnic Russians, for 8 years.No, they are like 20% Russian. They were shelling Ukrainians, ffs.
No.521716
>>521685How did Russia attack first when Ukrainian forces have been killing thousands of civilians in Donbas for 8 years?
No.521717
>>521713>still no context for this videoYep, I assume it's a military town, and the jet has hit some military object behind living bloc
No.521718
>>521713yeah, there is no such thing as a humane war since avoiding wounding and killing civs in nearly impossible.
No.521719
So this is what being a nazi feels like
No.521720
Warmongering retards got their war qnd now civilians are dying. Eat more shit from Putins propaganda hole.
No.521721
>>521716You are swallowing the Russian's side whole. You should look at the bigger picture. You will see that both America/NATO and Russia are bad and this is a kind of nationalist conflict, although it's true that the Ukraine side has a tendency toward ethnic cleansing. Russia is an imperiliast country, albeit weakened but there should be no trust to it.
No.521722
>>521677The national bourgeoise are more progressive than the imperialist bourgeoise according to marxist theory. The imperialist bourgeoise is the most reactionary bourgeoise and is wholly uninvolved in production, unlike the national bourgeoise. The national bourgeoise also doesn't obviously practice imperialism, but limits it's exploitation to the domestic proletariat, instead of exploiting entire nations and bribing off their own working-class. This is true of Russia, as they have their own proletariat and doesn't have a parasitic relation to the global South, their economy can rather easily be transformed into a socialist one when the proletariat takes charge.
Russia should be critically supported as a weapon against the Western labor aristocracy and imperialism.
The imperialist forces are the main enemy, even the Russian Communist Party says this because they knew that an imperialist war is not a solution.
https://cprf.ru/2022/02/gennady-zyuganov-it-is-time-to-put-a-stop-to-natos-actions-to-turn-ukraine-into-a-fascist-state-2/Multipolar divisions in the bourgeoisie economy has always created favourable territory for future communist insurrection.
>>521685>Both sides are bad. Russia is slightly more bad because it attacks firstFatherless viewpoint tbqh
No.521723
>>521713ASB pointed out that's a Ukrainian SU27. Either they were intentionally attacking their own population or they are retarded. Matches consistently with the pilot that deserted to Romania: He didn't want to execute these things.
Ukrainians' command wants to make people hate Russians as much as possible (consistent with the order that everyone must take molotovs cocktails and throw to Russians military)
No.521724
>>521719Yes, Ukrainian armed forces have been killing civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk for 8 years, and torturing prisoners of war. That's as nazi as you can get, especially when you're also a fan of Bandera and Shukhevych.
No.521725
>>521719>>521720Peace was never an option.
Better this than escalating the nuclear option with NATO missiles right on Russias border
No.521726
>>521714I'm some other anon. I was curious what you're referring to.
Thanks for the updates. And got you, regarding the streaming of third party websites.
Sleep, comrade!
>>521717There's no indication that it's a military town. I want to believe that they were being efficient with their bombings and hence bombing a random ass town makes no sense, but who knows.
It could also have been a random rural airplane runway. The strike was very close too.
>>521722based post.
No.521728
>>521720Did Putin's propaganda make the Ukraine defense ministry's official twitter account announce the conscription of Ukrainian children?
They'll only stop dying with a Russian victory. May Bentley hang up the victory banner in Maidan square beside the battered corpse of Yuri Galushkin.
No.521729
>Ukraine: EVERYONE NEEDS TO TAKE UP IN ARMS GENERAL MOBILIZATION, NO AGE REQUIREMENTS.
>Also Ukraine: Women won't be mobilized.
Not very woke from you.
No.521730
HOLY SHIT HASBULLA HAS JUST BEEN DROPPED ON KIEV
Its over
No.521731
Are there any independent reporting over the situation during the last years or are there only Russian and western sources that are mirror image of each others?
No.521732
>>521722What is fatherless viewpoint ?
No.521733
>>521731>mirror image of each otherFFS, Russian sources are reliable, while Ukrainian sources are just pure comedy at this point.
No.521734
>>521722>The national bourgeoise are more progressive than the imperialist bourgeoise according to marxist theoryshow me
>The national bourgeoise also doesn't obviously practice imperialismlul
>but limits it's exploitation to the domestic proletariat, instead of exploiting entire nations and bribing off their own working-classyou really don't know much on anything
>their economy can rather easily be transformed into a socialist one when the proletariat takes charge.and i'm sure supporting its bourgeoise will help that happen right?
>The imperialist forces are the main enemy, even the Russian Communist Party says thisthe Russian Communist Party also encourages collaboration with the orthodox church
No.521735
>>521732almost certainly something reactionary
No.521736
Just an observation. Western hemisphere goes to bed/asleep and the post quality in these generals noticeably improves.
Hmm
No.521737
>>521718You can see this very clearly in the footage where there are civilians just milling around or driving down the street while there's artillery landing around them. It's just not possible to evacuate the whole population – and what mass evac would mean is a huge refugee crisis spilling over into other Eastern European countries anyways. Civilians have comprised most deaths in conflict since World War II because of urbanization. There are simply too many people nowadays to wage a conflict without killing a lot of them.
>>521723>ASB pointed out that's a Ukrainian SU27.ASB is a Russian shill account though that gets a lot of things wrong.
No.521739
>>521737>ASB is a Russian shill account though that gets a lot of things wrong.name one.
so far they have debunked ukrainian dissinfo much more than they get things wrong, in this particular scenario.
No.521740
>>521735But my opinion is good though.
No.521741
>>521738Insanely based as usual
No.521742
>>521734They do but only in the context of a colonized country which Russia is not.
No.521743
>>521738Where are these comrades from?
No.521744
>>521737>ASB is a Russian shill account though that gets a lot of things wrong.>>521739 (me)
Also, what has anything to do with the point of ukrainians attacking ukrainians? instead of a strawman criticizing the source, can you debunk it?
No.521746
>>521721>>521734>Russia is an imperiliast country, albeit weakened but there should be no trust to it.>you really don't know much on anythingNo, they are not imperialist. You make the mistake of most people and is to talk about imperialism without knowing what imperialism is outside of the liberal definition. Read Lenin and then you'll see how what Russia is doing is not imperialism at all and in reality you'll see how Russia foreign policy is the greatest anti imperialist force in the world right now. If you read Lenin you should remember how imperialism has defined characteristics for what concern capital merging and export, concentration of production and internationalization of capitalism. If you remember is the export of capital distinguished from the export of commodities. The imperialist definition simply don't fit Russia's policy.
>and i'm sure supporting its bourgeoise will help that happen right?Russia is on the opposite fighting against imperialism, by Lenin's own words, the highest stage of capitalism. The national bourgeois of Russia are fighting capitalism like a socialist country would do, it is natural and for a socialist to support the only force that is actively fighting against international capitalism.
Now if you're not socialist or you're against Lenin and are using another definition for imperialism then is useless to continue debating, since we are talking about two different things
No.521747
>>521738muh both sides: the statement
No.521748
>>521738a boilerplate response, they know well that there is no significant domestic resistance to the war; the protests have been about the same size as regular opposition protests that occur every few months. and its unlikely that the war will drag on enough to have big effects on proles at home in russia
>>521743 Communist Party of Azerbaijan
Party of Labour of Austria
Communist Party of Bangladesh
Communist Party of El Salvador
Communist Party of Greece
Communist Party of Kurdistan-Iraq
Workers Party of Ireland
Socialist Party of Latvia
Communist Party of Mexico
New Communist Party of the Netherlands
Communist Party of Pakistan
Peruvian Communist Party
Philippines Communist Party [PKP 1930]
Romanian Socialist Party
Communist Party of the Workers of Spain
Communist Party of Sweden
Communist Party of Turkey
Union of Communists of Ukraine
Other Parties signing the Joint Statement
Communist Front (Italy)
Communist Revolutionary Party of France (PCRF)
No.521749
>>521738List of signataries:
Communist Party of Azerbaijan
Party of Labour of Austria
Communist Party of Bangladesh
Communist Party of El Salvador
Communist Party of Finland
Communist Party of Greece
Communist Party of Kurdistan-Iraq
Workers Party of Ireland
Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan
Socialist Party of Latvia
Communist Party of Mexico
New Communist Party of the Netherlands
Communist Party of Pakistan
Peruvian Communist Party
Philippines Communist Party [PKP 1930]
Romanian Socialist Party
Communist Party of the Workers of Spain
Communist Party of Swaziland
Communist Party of Sweden
Communist Party of Turkey
Union of Communists of Ukraine
oh wow.
No.521750
>>521748Wow so this is like a big international group of communist groups
No.521751
>>521746They do fit you just don't admit it. Just remember Putin is student of Yeltsin, they are two sides of the same coin named Russian bourgeouis which had made the workers unemployed by the millions in the 1990s, they had allowed the CIA to set foot on Russia back then (Putin's words, look it up, it's not like that anymore but still).
No.521752
>>521715How and when? Ukrainian armed forces and neo-nazi battalions have been shelling the break-away republics throughout the war, and from the start.
Picrel is a few days before Russian operation started.
https://www.9111.ru/questions/7777777771739625/ No.521753
>>521748How many of those Parties associate with China's CPC?
No.521755
>Petro Poroshenko asking NATO for help with sanctions and sheit
As he talks with CNN from an alley surrounded by merc bodyguards
What is this timeline?
No.521757
>>521746show me the texts by lenin that would somehow support russia
No.521758
>>521749 (me)
>The decision of the Russian Federation to initially recognize the “independence” of the so-called “Peoples’ Republics” in Donbas and then to proceed to a Russian military intervention, which is taking place under the pretext of Russia’s “self-defence”, the “demilitarization” and “defascistization” of Ukraine, was not made to protect the people of the region or peace but to promote the interests of Russian monopolies in Ukrainian territory and their fierce competition with Western monopolies.This is a lie. Russia lost already many interests in the west to protect Donbas, and to secure territory in its neighborhood.
Only in the U.s. they have been seized a lot of assets.
These people… I swear god.
No.521759
>>521752There was a Ukrainian census in 2001 which said that Donbass is like 20% Russian ethnically.
No.521761
>>521748>>521748>Communist Party of Bangladesh
> Communist Party of PakistanOH NO NO NO
Fucking CPI where are you guys
No.521762
>>521748>Peruvian Communist Partyuh based
i'm guessing this is not shining path lol No.521763
>>521750a big international group whose collective membership can be contained in a convention center, but this is the case with all communist groups now lol
No.521764
>>521763Which is the biggest international communist group
No.521765
>>781610
you spend too much time on the internet
No.521766
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1497165145004515328?s=20&t=kbDX6QS_KWMBpJcAlff-NQZelensky is hiding in a bunker while the military is telling civvies to lob molotovs at the Russians. Talk about second time as a farce.
No.521767
>>781607
Never in my life will I ever trust the americans
No.521770
>>521751Irrelevant. The Russian state of today is not the same as in the 90s, back then it was essentially a comprador state to western imperialists, now it is a national bourgeoise state. Do me a favour and look at what life was for Russians in the 90s when the western comprador bourgeoise was in charge. The current Russian government is anti-imperialist and that is the most important factor in the modern age.
No.521771
>>521759>Russian ethnicallytf does that means? "ethnicity" in a passport after the dissolution of the soviet union? lol
No.521772
>>521764International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties
No.521773
>>781607
Holy shit take the L
Do the oligarchs have his wife and kids hostage or something?
No.521775
>>781607
Where is the Afghanistan president I wonder
He dipped as soon as possible, Is he still alive
No.521778
>>521776I fully hate it
(I have not watched it yet)
No.521779
>>521720The warmongering retards were always in ukraine.
No.521781
>>521745Odessa was a ruse, kept hohols from using their reserves
No.521782
>>521764That one actually, but the parties that signed that statement all seem like pretty small parties that are part of it. There are other communist parties in Solidnet including all the governing one.
>>521763Well the CPC is a member so hope that convention center can fit 90 million people lol ;-)
No.521783
FIGHT IN CENTER OF KIEV WAS YET ANOTHER FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENT, PRIVATE GUARD OF ZELENSKY OPENED FIRE ON UKRAINIAN VOLKSTURM REGIMENTS
No.521784
>>521751Also I like how you contradicted yourself in your post even though you want to die on the "Russia is still imperialist" hill
>They do fit you just don't admit it>it's not like that anymore but still No.521786
>>521760None of those parties are trots
No.521787
>>521780I didn't see that twist coming
No.521788
>>521770Putin anti-imperialist you say ? Don't make me laugh. If he is so good he would have long recreated the Soviet Union.
Oh you deluded people who think Putin is somehow a leftist. It's so funny.
No.521789
>>521771What ties people to an ethny may be mire sooky than grounded in a material basis, however that do not stop them from influencing their perception of themselves and how they interact and are treated by others.
No.521790
>>521647>Fog, fog and more fogWow, the weather has been complete shit and it still didn't even slow the Russians
No.521792
>>781610
oh no! some leninhat on an imageboard thinks im a chauvinist or whatever for wanting russia to win and end this conflict
how would I live with in!~
No.521794
>>521782>Well the CPC is a memberI am talking about the signatories to the letter. Of course the CPC is resolutely supporting Russia in its invasion and would never sign such an anti-war letter.
No.521796
>>521776Still not as heated as Trump vs. Acosta
No.521797
>>521770And btw if he is so good why have he not seized the properties of the oligarch ? Oh wait, he is one of them. Surprise surprise!
No.521798
>>521780Fake, I'm the sanest poster alive
No.521799
>>521785Jesus fucking christ
No.521800
>>521782>Well the CPC is a member Yo that's like official shit
Is his party old or something , from world war ii
It's origins must be deep for them to be party
No.521801
>>521738>Communist Party of MexicoThis removes all credibility from this statement. Are the other communist parties listed any good?
No.521803
>>52178513 year old and 69 year olds rejoicing by shitting in their pants and playing Fortnite respectively
No.521804
>>521801Why is the communist party of Mexico now sus?
No.521805
>>521802when you were a little child did you ever think that you would grow up to post shit like this?
No.521806
>>521802Stop it anon
Those fucking emojis are killing me, Stop making me laugh
This shit is seriious, Oh
No.521807
>>521785LOOK AT ALL THAT MALE PRIVILEGE
No.521808
>>521807we need to send our incels from leftypol to ukraine
doesn't matter what side, just send y'all over
scoot scoot
No.521809
>>521776Great vid. Thank you.
No.521810
down with the vlaslovite pugilists
No.521811
>>521802>Dragging off anti-war protestors into busesMany hyperonlines who cheered on Floyd protests will defend this.
No.521812
>>521788>went from comprador state to national bourgeoisie>Putin is somehow a leftistyou're a fucking retard with 0 nuance in your atrophied brain. You can be against foreign exploitation of your country for nationalist capitalist reasons
No.521813
>>521802A REMINDER that those in here engaging in revolutionary defeatism, to justify their "neither side" haven't weakened their states, and give pathetic excuses.
They must camp now on the liberal spectrum where they get things done in 24 hours.
No.521814
>>521788>>521797>Putin anti-imperialist you say ? Don't make me laugh.Russia is anti-imperialist.
>If he is so good he would have long recreated the Soviet Union. Oh you deluded people who think Putin is somehow a leftist. It's so funny.>And btw if he is so good why have he not seized the properties of the oligarch ? Oh wait, he is one of them. Surprise surprise!Yes, I know. Notice how this tramp now frames this conversation about putin in order to imply I uncritically support Phtin's politics. Do you understand "critical" in "critical support"? Obviously, we are not supporting Putin's politics and everyone fully shares the ideal of a Marxist-Leninist rebirth in Russia by the victory of the Russian Communist Party. However, this is an ideal, nothing more. Right now it is natural for socialists to support one of the biggest anti-imperialist forces that is actively fighting against international capitalism.
No.521815
>>521810>vlaslovite pugilistswhat's that
No.521817
>>521789>however that do not stop them from influencing their perception of themselves and how they interact and are treated by othersthe same as other people in central russia? anyway, "ethnicity" in a passport at the dissolution of the soviet union was decided by a simple fact "lives on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR? ukrainian it is then"
No.521819
>>521813> revolutionary defeatiswhat is that anon
>haven't weakened their states, and give pathetic excuses.i don't get it
No.521820
Is Russia fertile ground for a communist revolution
No.521821
>>521805Me as a kid in history class: i kinda like the Soviet Union, very interesting
Me years later in leftypol:
DEATH TO AMERIKKKA, DEATH TO NATO, LONG LIVE WORLD COMMUNISM No.521822
>>521811What do you propose should be done with liberals destabilizing the country during the war?
No.521823
>>521802These are tussian liberals
No.521825
>>521804Cult of personality retards that cover up sexual abuse and harassment. Funded by the KKE. Absolute clowns that LARP as unironic Stalinists cult of personality party, despite being irrelevant.
They have good international relations, that's about it. Part of the reason why they're funded by the KKE. I really wish they didn't.
No.521829
>>521825sadge
who are the KKE
No.521830
>>521819i'm not that retarded hyperonline anon but revolutionary defeatism is a communist revolutionary tactic where the proletariat who have been forced to fight in a imperialist war abstain from contributing to the war efforts since any outcome of the war does not benefit the proletariat, it was used to great effect during the russian revolution.
No.521831
>>521785>I'm so inconsolably happy to be in the EU.Gonna be a real wakeup call for this lad when he gets all the wholesome EU anti-refugee hate.
No.521832
>>521831my question is why wasn't he conscripted
No.521834
>>521829It's the Communist Party of Greece
No.521835
>>521827I have literally NEVER posted about the KKE.
From what I read they are a highly respectable party. I am merely saying that I wish they didn't fund the PCM. There are less insane/retarded/rapist parties that could use the money in Mexico.
No.521836
>>521819leninhat, sabotard, in some less regard the tards that applaud them like grillschizo and king lear, who don't say explicitly but support them in a very fetishistic way of spamming attentionwhoreing among namephagets/banderafags
No.521837
>>521826>selling the most to angolabased
No.521838
>>521819He mad because Anons who do not support Russia or Ukraine aren't on the street right now to protest war which makes them hypocrites of some sort
No.521841
>>521826Nice chart. If you remember from Lenin, the export of capital distinguished from the export of commodities. The imperialist definition still don't fit Russia's policy.
No.521842
Anyone watching the maidan square livestream? No idea if what I'm hearing is fighting in the distance or if it's just the wind
No.521843
>>521840who listens to her anymore lol
No.521844
>>521801The Italian one is an absolutely irrelevant sect. They're 10 people at BEST.
No.521845
>>521726Ah it all makes sense now
>Sleep, comrade!Thank you brother, I will. Have a good one.
No.521846
>>521830>it was used to great effect during the russian revolution.wow that sounds incredible, did they use it during WWI?
did it work
>>521838>aren't on the street right now to protest war I wonder what effect covid is gonna have to all this war and protesting
No.521847
>>521842sounds like mostly ambient traffic noise
No.521848
>>521835>From what I read they are a highly respectable party. I am merely saying that I wish they didn't fund the PCM. There are less insane/retarded/rapist parties that could use the money in Mexico.Despite all of what you have said, the Communist Party of Mexico forced their hand with the goverment to send help to the republic of Spain during the civil war and was the party that offered more help aside from the CPSU and forced their hand once again when the spanish refugees started migrating to Mexico escaping the regime. Have at least some respect for them, cause they were probably the only communist party in the world who had the balls to do so.
No.521849
>>521846>wow that sounds incredible, did they use it during WWI?yes
>did it workyes
No.521852
>>521846yes it worked, look up October Revolution
No.521853
>>521840what difference does a congress do? like they are some high, wise elders?
No.521855
>>521848They're not the same parties
No.521856
>>521852no no I meant in like WWI, did it work
revolutionary defeatism, not contributing to the imperialist war
No.521858
>>521854chechens gonna pump that nazi femboypussy full of cum
No.521859
>>521856yes it created huge dissent among soldiers in the military and slowed the war effort considerably. look at the effect of this declaration of the Petrograd Soviet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrograd_Soviet_Order_No._1 No.521860
>>521841ok fine, what about the nuclear reactor deals in rwanda (and like 3 other african countries) that have them build a reactor in return for owning them (as in russia retains the rights to some profits and co-owns the property with the rwandan state)? that falls under the definition pretty squarely doesn't it?
No.521861
I heard Zelensky now wants to negotiate and make Ukraine neutral. Sounds like this will be over very soon.
No.521862
>>521856yes, that's mainly where the tactic was used
No.521864
>>521862>>521859We need to learn, Sounds useful
There's gonna be shit like this a lot in thefuture
No good guys
No.521866
>>521848Historic PCM =/= Rapist PCM
The historic PCM was merged into the PSUM.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partido_Socialista_Unificado_de_M%C3%A9xicoThe rapist PCM is rather new and claimed the centenary history of the historic and based PCM.
No.521868
>>521859yeah, but the idea of those promoters in here, that sperg 24/7 'muh neither side' is that they do their part. They'd love to see Russia fail ("to communists" when the only weakening Russia are libtards) but they won't weaken theirs.
Totally annoying.
No.521869
>>521831>>521832He's an American journalist
No.521871
>>521863we're all gonna get called nazbols/red fash for not being cool with CIA-trained Nazi battalions
No.521872
>>521868what the fuck are you talking about?
No.521873
>>521853the constitution says congress is supposed to declare war/authorize military force, rather than the president just deciding alone. But, since 9/11 especially, the president has mostly just bombed wherever he felt like, so she's trying to say we should have to pay attention to the constitution here and vote on it if Biden wants to bomb shit.
No.521874
the worst parts of these threads are the insufferable faggots who constantly post "muh both sides" instead of enjoying the happening
No.521875
>>521874>instead of enjoying the happeningvery normal thing to say
No.521878
>>521874>spectacle boooislib
No.521880
>>521868>"to communists" when the only weakening Russia are libtards) Men, Today we are going to create communists in Russia
Let's gooooo
No.521881
>>521875>>521878>>521879you are on /leftypol/ you retards
No.521882
>>521874Kill yourself you inhuman scum. You deserve a month in a nazi concentration camp as rehabilitation of your post-irony rotten brain. Maybe that will make you realize the human cost of "happenings"
No.521884
>>521805>>521806>>521811>>521813>>521823😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! WE WANT TO LIVE! THOSE AZOV SCUMS & NATO AMERICANS SUCKERS SHALL GO AWAY FROM UKRAINE! RUSSIA & CHINA HAS ALREADY SHOWN THEIR MIGHT OVER AMERICANS & ITS ALLIES!😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼😭🙏🏼
PLEASE SIR! MAKE IT STOP! WE TIRED OF WAR, WAR ISN'T THE SOLUTION! WE'LL ACCEPT UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER! No.521885
>>521881>you are on /leftypol/ you retardsIndeed, because of that, we need to be edgelords, it says so in the /leftypol/ constitution that we need to be as fucking asinine as possible in order to wreck the libs.
No.521886
>>521884SHUT UP
STOP IT!!!!
No.521887
>>521882>naziSaying the quiet part out loud there friendo.
No.521888
>>521851>An emergency brake isn't needed for those who serve in VDVlol
No.521893
>>521882anon, what use does it serve really
if he laughs or not
will the blood stop spilling, if these people stop desensitizing themselves?
No.521894
>>521892what about being an absurdist
No.521895
>>521881There is a difference between commenting on a situation and cheering on a war that won't really benefit anyone but some Porkys.
No.521896
>>521811The George Floyd protests were supporting U.S. puppet states?
Wtf
No.521897
>>521874what annoys me is the insufferable psudointellectualists adhered to orthodox dogmas in a religious belief, in which you can't ever have critical support for the actions against NATO because they hold the torch of revolution. And if you ask them for praxis, they will deflect.
No.521898
i just want russia to win so the dialectic can advance, why the fuck do people in the thread need to apply mental gymnastics pretending that russia is somehow not an imperialist state when it absolutely is lmao
can we stop pretending that modern russia does not have imperialist ambitions? it is one of the most retarded takes a marxist can have, it is literally muh feels because usa is bad, lets at least keep our analysis coherent for the love of god guys
No.521899
>>521861Russia gonna regime change. No point in having a hostile state after all of this work
No.521900
>>521892You can have both if your side is winning without much effort.
No.521901
>>521874i watch these things like a natural disaster unfolding, there's not really anything i can do to stop it so i just look for updates and whatever videos get posted. people don't argue over whether you should support volcanoes or hurricanes so those discussions are usually less annoying
No.521903
>>521870The destroyers of 20th century socialism.
Do yall think Berlinguer foresaw such wreckage when he came up with his little trend?
No.521904
>>521880kek, and many anons in here were applauding those anti-war protest like if you see one fucking communist driving force in the march, and not a bunch of libs with harrypotter yellow/blue books saying sorry in anglo language.
No.521905
>>521860Same as the "muh belt and road" talking point. Russia isn't economically exploiting any countries like the west is. The nuclear power plants built for third world countries are intended to liberate them from western fossil fuel dependency, I'd say that's a great example of anti-imperialism.
No.521906
>>521901keep telling yourself that breeder
critical support to volcanoists to destroy the human menace
inshallah the earth will be liberated of the insects
No.521907
>>521905>Russia isn't economically exploiting any countries like the west isit is literally going to collect rent on the plants once they are built, how the fuck is that not exploitation?
No.521908
>>521898>i just want russia to win so the dialectic can advanceyou accuse others of having retarded takes yet you apparently never learned about WW1 and the Marxist response to it
No.521909
>>781773
Shut the fuck up Posads
Now is not the time
No.521911
>>521822Yelling slogans while holding signs is destabilizing a country? What did they disrupt exaclty?
No.521912
This would be so much funnier if Trump were president and still allowed on Twitter
No.521913
honestly what's wrong with a nuclear war ending the world?
Prehaps a more intelligent lifeform can rise from the ashes a million years later
No.521914
>>521908>WW1 and the Marxist response to itNTA but tell me pls
No.521915
>>521908are you saying the dialectic did not advance post ww1? because wow
No.521917
>>521912As if, what would he say that would be funny at all
No.521918
>>521916*posted from A country
No.521919
>>521911Yes, actually.
If the way governments conduct psyops is any indication, it is.
No.521920
>>521918liberate yourself anons
bomb a border patrol station today! and post here
No.521921
>>521822Damn right, man! We will show those good for nothing librul hippies why we went to Vietnam with our batons!
No.521922
>>521911The first guy was calling for Putin to be arrested. Like it or not Putin is the legitimate leader and this is a really bad time for Russia to have a succession crisis, but you know that perfectly well.
No.521923
>>521917He would say something idiotic like confusing Ukraine with Russia or calling it a shit hole country so who cares. A bunch of libs would get impotently mad.
And nothing would changed compared to what we're seeing now.
No.521925
Putinbros…
No.521926
>>521922>succession crisistrue
i watched a documentary about that on HBO
No.521927
>>521910Yes.
Elaborate further? No, I don't think I will
No.521928
>>521927are you really in ukraine
No.521929
>>521905Purely from an economic point of view, Russia is "semi-imperialist": it's a capitalist semi-center with its own peripheries. But that's not a moral judgement. It's just that Russia is the only post-socialist state which managed to create a national bourgeoisie, whereas the rest of post-socialist states became comprador regimes.
No.521930
>>521866So they're like the CPGB-ML in the UK, lmao
No.521931
>>521928he's not, he's an expat posting from an imperialist country lmao
No.521932
>>521923Or he would have thrown Ukraine under the bus like he did with the kurds.
No.521933
>>521907>it is literally going to collect rent on the plants once they are builtNTA just one small question
Is china not planning on collecting rent? for the stuff it is building in africa and what not
No.521934
>>521932….Just like Biden
Come on lib, keep up
No.521935
>>521822Don't waste time engaging with him, he will not destabilize his liberal western country. Is a poser, and should be militating in the liberal camp doing some praxis chanting
we are the world, we are the children with yellow/blue candles
No.521936
>>521932Didn't he already do that
Something happened with him and Ukraine president
Some quid pro quid shit
No.521938
>>521889why is zelensky offering surrender on one hand and giving everyone guns on the other? it's gonna be a massacre if those poor guys are sent out to fight
No.521939
>>521933they are and when they can't pay the debt (which is usually the case) china just takes the plant as payment, literally the same tactics that the US uses when it "nation builds"
No.521940
>>521812No you are for dreaming of Putin's "national liberation" credo. That's like calling Xi Jinping a loyal communist.
No.521941
>>521861He's not in a position to negotiate. He has to give Russia what they want.
No.521943
>President Zelensky has signalled that Ukraine is open to negotiating Kyiv’s neutrality, however, it must also receive security guarantees.
<LAVROV: “Moscow would be ready to negotiate with Ukraine only when the Ukrainian military lays down its weapons.”
No.521944
>>521814Putin is by no mean a anti-imperialist force you delusional person.
No.521945
>>521937The Russian community party supports Putin
No.521946
>>521939So
China is i-imperialist???
No.521949
>>521934Nah, Biden's administration will keep pumping up weapons in hopes that Ukraine will turn into Afghanistan/Iraq draining Russia. Trump would just leave it be.
No.521950
>>521863Yup, seems like a plausible outcome. AOC just announced to support military intervention. Therefore, her simps will follow.
Since day one, Voosh asked for Russian blood. Therfore, his shills will follow.
No.521952
>>521874t. spectacle riddled brain incapable of functioning normally since years ago
No.521953
>>521945The dominant christian traditionalist nationalist wing supports Putin, yes
No.521954
>>521950Agent Kochinski is a massive soy chugging faggot. Send him to the frontlines along with every other libshit twitch streamer.
No.521955
>>521943the main objective is already reached, which was to destroy the military capacity of ukraine.
No.521956
>>521480>there are no age restrictionsNot even two days into this conflict and the hohols are already forming a Volkssturm.
No.521957
>>521952t. retard who cannot separate internet from real life
No.521958
>>521937https://cprf.ru/2022/02/the-people-of-ukraine-must-not-be-a-victim-of-world-capital-and-oligarchic-clans-statement-of-the-cprf-cc-presidium%ef%bf%bc/They want to de-nazificate Ukraine.
>The CPRF proceeds from the need to dismantle the results of many years of efforts to Banderize Ukraine. Real policy on its territory is in many ways dictated by rabid nationalists. They terrorize Ukrainian people and foist on the authorities an aggressive political course. By caving in to this pressure Zelensky betrayed the interests of his fellow-citizens who had elected him as a president of peace in Donbass and good-neighborly relations with Russia.I still remember the copying tards in here before the war declaration when I told them they drafted the DBR recognition resolution signed by Putin, as if these people didn't know what they were doing. JFC.
No.521959
>>521957Project less and seek a shrink
No.521960
>>521950 reserve clips of this stuttering retard for ITG
No.521961
>>521738>>521937These are wrong communists
No.521962
>>521950Why did you even clip this retard?
No.521963
>>521958Do you know who Zyuganov is? He is generally hated in the party
No.521964
>>521937What did they have to say to the about the Donbass war, the euromaidan and the refusal of Ukraine to implement Minsk2 as well as threatening to join NATO while the west pumps military aid into them?
Because if it's just Putin bad, now, then whatever.
No.521965
>>521914two things:
one, others have already mentioned it, the concept is called revolutionary defeatism and Lenin advocated for it. wars between the imperialist powers, or their proxies, have no purpose to the proletariat or the other lower classes - the common folk in other words. the solution is to act as what the US in its propaganda has termed "the fifth column", to give up arms, agitate against one's country entering the war, sabotaging one's country's war effort. you get the idea.
two, the socialist internationale split following WW1 and the reason was whether to take sides or not. the Marxist answer was simple: no war but the class war. national chauvinists out!
the devastation brought by WW1 led to the "blackest reaction" that we saw in WW2. you know that one I'm sure.
No.521966
>>521938Either he his completely overwhelmed by all this or he is some 4D chess master
>Want peace with Russia>Can't do it with Nazoids taking part with your governement>Let Nazoids take up arms and send themselves to the meatgrinder>Can now make peace with little internal opposition. No.521967
>>521958lol critical support for Sadam to denazify iran
No.521968
This dude really said /leftypol/ is not real life and got a million (You)s
No.521969
>>521902The mf did it, but can't communicate how he achieved success.
>>521903What the fuck does eurocommunism even fucking mean, especially in the context of Mexico?
>>521968Whomst've?
No.521971
>>521964Left Front and CPRF are pro-LDPR, Russian Socialist Movement condemned ethnic nationalists taking over Eastern Ukraine
No.521972
>>521933>>521939the terms china offers are consistently better than western countries and they constantly restructure loans or just write off huge chunks of it. china seizing assets is a scaremongering tactic, the debt trap myth was invented by the west and african countries continue to look to china instead of the west for loans because they know the claims are bullshit
No.521973
>>521939no. US force you to take IMF loans, and then do major policy and economic law changes to cuck you out to their companies by liberalizing everything. They make sure they have the only infrastructure, the one only they need, and they never cancel debts.
China is happy just trading with your local porkies without trying to take political control of your country, cancelling debts, and helping you build your own infrastructure as long they can use it.
stop buying propaganda faggot
No.521975
>>521951b-bros…
what do i do know, where are the china bros now
No.521976
>>521933>Is china not planning on collecting rent?probably. i'm not going to argue china isn't an economically imperialist state in the current global framework of capitalism, they are also buying up a lot of stuff in africa to exploit.
No.521977
>>521971So they are otherwise okay with NATO expansion and don't see the conflict as caused by the west?
No.521978
>>521951it's ok tho, they have a red flag.
No.521979
>>521966Zelensky is politically held hostage by neonazis, he's not on their side. So in theory this would make sense.
No.521980
>Taliban urging restraint from both sides
lmao
No.521982
I have time to elaborate now but last post because starting my shift.
>>521929This is a good way of looking at it, as they should not be labelled imperialist and equated with the western financier capitalist hegemony. They don't economically exploiting countries like the west does, their economy is centered around oil and natural gas which is entirely within their own borders and mostly controlled by the state sector.
The long term benefits of critical support for the Russian national bourgeois, especially in their efforts to give african economies a better alternative to imperialism, heavily outweigh any short term negatives related to nuclear power plants as described here
>>521907 No.521983
>>521939>china just takes the plant as paymentmotherfucker lying faggot. Even the minister of foreign relations of the country I don't remember said that was a lie.
Fucking shit.
Jesus, the red areas are bigger now.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=180u1IkUjtjpdJWnIC0AxTKSiqK4G6Pez&ll=48.25660276410307%2C34.29313325152917&z=6 No.521984
>>521969A = π (R2 – r2)
Fn = Fn-1 + Fn-2
f(x, μ, σ ) = 1σ√2πe−(x−μ)22σ2 ∫cos a + a d(a) = ∫cos a da + ∫a d(a)
= 𝔡𝔦𝔞𝔩𝔢𝔠𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔰
No.521985
>>521969An 80s trend of "democratic communism" which was social democracy in all but name and "inspired" many parties around the world, including the CPSU under its infamous last general secretary. You get what happens next
No.521986
>>521970Ты в каком из отделений КПРФ состоишь? Do you know anything about Communist Party structure and different tendencies inside it? Zyuganov doesn't represent the diversity of opinions, he is a Russian clerical nationalist with some left-wing economic views and he represents this part of the party
No.521989
>>521943Why should russia settle for pre-war neutrality demands when they've already invaded the country? Russia should continue until ukraine is totally occupied by friendly government.
No.521990
This won't lead to WW3 but it is a sign of things to come.
No.521991
>>521980All the bothsiders in this thread are pro-Taliban now kek
No.521992
>>521947Yes actually, I am here to tarnish the anglo genome with my slavic sperm. English whores truly are built for the BSC
No.521993
>>781848(me)>>521971I'm saying it because it's kind of funny how the CPRF put out this statement the 22nd of February:
https://cprf.ru/2022/02/gennady-zyuganov-it-is-time-to-put-a-stop-to-natos-actions-to-turn-ukraine-into-a-fascist-state-2/>The situation on the border between Ukraine and the Donbass republics has deteriorated to the limit. Ukrainian armed units are intensifying the shelling of the territories of the DPR and LPR creating the need for a mass evacuation of the population. Simultaneously the West and pro-Western and nationalist Ukrainian media outlets are stepping up the information war against Russia. The situation obviously points to close coordination of military provocations and information aggression.Which ends with:
"""
Everyone should be aware that democratic mechanisms in Ukraine have been abolished. After the 2014 state coup real policy on its territory is increasingly dictated by aggressive nationalist bands. Representing an absolute terrorist minority, they hold Ukrainian people in fear and impose rules of behavior on members of the political establishment. This accounts for the political transformation of Vladimir Zelensky. Elected by Ukrainians as the president of peace in Donbass and normalization of relations with Russia he became a vehicle of the opposite kind of policy.
In the current situation,
the task of liberating Ukraine from the Bandera dictatorship cannot be solved by the Ukrainian people itself. The country’s civilian population is still partly able to express its opinion through what remains of parliamentary procedures, but it cannot oppose the forces of terror which are armed to the teeth.
The task of denazification of Ukraine must become the key concern of the world community."""
So it seems quite hypocritical to start chanting "Putin Bad!" at this time.
No.521994
>>521973>>521939>>521939WHO DIO I BELIEVE
LIFE IS A FUCK
NUKE ME NOW, SAVE ME AYY LMAOS
No.521995
>>521981China based as always
No.521997
>>521982the point i was trying to make is that russia is absolutely hoping to become just as imperialist as the western imperialist powers. the nuclear power plants are just the beginning not the end, and the russian national bourgoisie is heavily invested in both providing energy resources as well as owning the infrastructure as globally as possible. surely this is something that we should take into account, no?
No.521998
>>521985Eurocommunism meant nothing in particular , communist parties were blamed for revisionism just cause they didnt agree with cpsu on everything
In practice in most states pure soviet ml and eurocommunism was the same thing
No.521999
>>521981WHAT THE FUCK, why would china do that
what do they get out of it, cucking the us for lulz?
No.522000
>>521981Oh no no no Sleepy Joe got outmaneuvered again lmao
No.522001
>>521984>𝔡𝔦𝔞𝔩𝔢𝔠𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔰My uygha did it.
>>521992Based.
No.522002
>>521992based lmao
t. polack living in uk
No.522003
>>521993CPRF isn't a sentient being with single opinion. These statements represent Russian Nationalist and Marxist wings' of the party views respectively. Different people signed these statements.
No.522004
>>521981lmao no way, I don't believe this
No.522005
>>521486When did the word "tankie" become this mainstream?
No.522006
>>521981Too based to be true sadly
No.522007
>>521491>>this is the future the anti-putinites want>nightmare shitAgreed. So much for "peace loving, anti-war".
No.522008
>>522005Since libs got a hold of it
No.522009
>>521981<GEEEE I POPPOO MY POOPPY PANTS<UUUWWWWWWEEEEE>>521992Based.
Slav descendant, from Levokumka!
>>522003The letter above isn't in their website, so it wasn't approved by the majority of people of the party.
No.522010
>>521981What would China do?
No.522011
>>521997It's a given that the national bourgeois of Russia want to become the new hegemony, it is in their class interests. This still doesn't contradict critical support for Russia right now in their anti-imperialist ventures
No.522012
>>521994do your own research or just look it up on youtube, there are government officials in different african countries who talk about this exact thing, they all say the same about china
>offers better terms>development projects help local infrastructure and not just resource extraction for export>much more flexible on repayment>treats them with a level of respect that they'll never get from western countries No.522013
>>521998No way, euro"communism" completely left out the final goal of communism and the DotP. In Italy you weren't even required to read Marx and Lenin to join the PCI
No.522015
>>522011Remember when the Bolsheviks critically supported the Russian Empire in WW1? Me neither lol
No.522016
>>522009> The letter above isn't in their website, so it wasn't approved by the majority of people of the party.The letters on the website aren't approved by the majority too lol. CPRF on federal level is extremely authoritarian and doesn't represent party members' views.
No.522017
>>522010>(You)Keep up with their plan to become a imperialist superpower. Duh! Read Enver Hoxha's Imperialism and the revolution for more information about the source of this conflict.
No.522018
Russia is a mad dog that will be put down. It had a good run but this is the beginning of the end.
No.522019
>>522013There were more eurocommunists than the ones in italy and spain.
And even the spaniards never denyied revolutions were needed
No.522020
>>522011but there are no anti-imperialist ventures. russia is not trying to actively combat imperialism on the world stage, and as already established is instead trying to become a part of the imperialist order.
surely you can find other reasons for critical support of russia than this? we already had to compromise that russia is actually "semi-imperialist" so we're talking about degrees of imperialism now lmao
at this point the denazification argument is less arguable
No.522021
>Rosgvardia will turn out to be Waffen SS tier criminals
>Deployed Chechens will turn out to be Dirlewanger/Japanese tier war criminals
My predictions that have a 90% chance of habbening
No.522022
>>522021In the liberal media brains no doubt this will happen
No.522023
>>522020Russia is bad imperialist but it's true that Ukraine wants ethnic cleansing in the eastern regions. They don't keep that azov group around for nothing you know.
No.522024
>>522016>The letters on the website aren't approved by the majority too lol. CPRF on federal level is extremely authoritarian and doesn't represent party members' views.And I guess that also represents your view, and not the rest of the party, too?
Either way, they have grown in numbers, and their leadership seems very stable. If the base wanted to have another leader they would split/overthrow their party. This hasn't happened, so my guess is that your statement seems unreal.
No.522025
>>522013Again, what the fuck is eurocommunism in the context of Mexico? All these parties eventually got killed or became revisionists. The PRD still exists and is basically a corrupt social democratic party. A communist party entering bourgeoise politics seems like a surefire way to make it revisionist and eventually socdem.
No.522027
>>522022Libs don't know about Rosgvardia organization
No.522029
>>522026Keep pretending Ukrainian government is all good and dandy.
Face facts, they don't keep Azov group and praise Bandera for a reason.
No.522030
Ultimately China is the biggest winner here.
>>522020> so we're talking about degrees of imperialism now lmaoObviously there are degrees, it's based on the country's role in the capitalist world system and flows of capital. The same way EU peripheries also benefit from the 3rd world super-exploitation, hence some call these European countries "semi-peripheries" instead.
No.522031
>>522028extremely based viewpoint
No.522033
>>522024Or maybe they're just disciplined and used to intra-party diversity (to be reconciled with DemCent) and know that splitting results in nobody getting power, unlike Westoid communists.
No.522035
>>522027>>522021>hurr durr all militaries behave like monsters>calls others libsYou sure haven't been close to other national guards in the world, right? do you compare them with who? with teddy bears?
No.522036
>>522026The US wanted to force a limited conflict and Russia, which has pretty much been forced into taking action is taking the path that most benefits them now. If Russia played by their rules and just BTFO's Ukraine from the Donbass republics then NATO gets to consolidate, sanction and all the rest and Russia gets
nothing. So why would they measure their response by the US's playbook?
It just so happens that removing the NATO puppet government and the nazis is a win for everyone except the US lol. So what if Putin installs his own puppet? Russia want's a buffer, they don't want war while the US just want's to grind Ukraine into dust against Russia.
No.522037
>>521486>russian cuck talks about anti-americanismThis guy would be a nazi collaborator 80 years ago.
No.522038
>>522028>A based anarchist.No that's an idealist. If you want NATO gone, Russia going into Ukraine forwards that agenda because it weakens them. For one thing, Ukraine expected assistance from NATO here and did not get it. That means you'd be stupid to trust NATO again. Ukraine's also currently a NATO puppet, so Putin doing regime change would also push back NATO influence. Russian puppet is not ideal either but it's better both for the grand balance of geopolitics and probably for Ukrainians. Ukraine under NATO influence has basically been hollowed out per imperialism. It's effectively 3rd world. It would be hard for Russia to do even that bad let alone worse.
No.522039
>>522035The RU National Guard (Rosgvardia) is a re organization of internal security units, and is basically a praetorian guard analogous to the SS. I hope they get wiped out.
No.522040
>>522037he's already one now
No.522042
>>522033mmmmm….
>not splitting>makes an statement that contradicts the federalist postion>mfwif anything, they might get expelled.
No.522043
I fell asleep about 10 threads ago lmao, what'd I miss?
No.522045
Is there actually genocide happening in Ukraine
of Dons Bass and Lushenko?
No.522047
>>522042That could be possible, and indeed getting contradicting stuff out in the open is harmful.
I was just pointing out though that at least they don't shatter in 291919 microsects like in the West.
No.522049
>>522044I wish for once anonymous would take down my pants
No.522051
>>522044I'm on RT right now
No.522053
Putler says he will negotiate with Ukraine after speaking with Xi. Xi probably cucked him into it.
No.522054
>>522050<ReformersI hope these people get liquidated ASAP, otherwise they'll be SUBMERGED by glowie money in little time.
<Marxist-LeninistsCream of the crop people
>Left-wing nationalists<Literally influenced by TNO-tier fascistsYeah I'm saying EXTRAcringe
No.522055
>>522053Based Xi policing the world
No.522057
>>522038A truly based anarchist.
<3 No.522058
>>522053>Xi probably cucked him into it.more like a diplomatic gift from Russia to China. based if true.
No.522059
>>522053Fact : Chvnese are the most powerful race>
>781944He made it up
No.522062
>>522044>>522044image being so CIA paid.
No.522063
>>522061This is not imperialism read theory man. Imperialism is when America doing things!
No.522064
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497189596869894144
>I have absolutely no idea how Russians are supposed to take this city.He'll find out in five hours LMAO
No.522065
>>522038>That means you'd be stupid to trust NATO again.You're underestimating the stupidity of NATO colonies.
No.522066
>>522061>I don't know what imperialism isRead Lenin. Russia is irredentist not imperialist. And even if it was imperialist, the stronger imperialist losing is helpful because it makes it harder for imperial power to counteract revolutionary forces. The communists of Russian and Ukraine agree with what I said.
No.522067
>>522066> The communists of Russian and Ukraine agree with what I said.Except the ones who don't. But they aren't real communists, right?
No.522068
>>522064They're gonna fuck around and find out.
No.522069
>>522065>You're underestimating the stupidity of NATO colonies.It's not a binary. We're in the "quantity" part of the dialectic. The influence of NATO is eroding piece by piece. At some point it will be enough to transform quantity into quality and it will no longer be able to function that way.
No.522070
>>521493I missed the last 10 threads lmao
>NO age restrictionsFucking hell lads
No.522071
>>522067>But they aren't real communists, right?Where I have seen this way of arguing…
sabotard No.522072
>>521486>>522038>Ukraine under NATO influence has basically been hollowed out per imperialism. It's effectively 3rd world. It would be hard for Russia to do even that bad let alone worse.Meh, when Russia was in charge they pursued a heavy neolib policy which is part of why people ended up revolting two times. If they really could have gone in the EU it would have been better for them and they knew it. Being in the western sphere didn't solve their problems though and they couldn't get their economy up even after closing worker orgs
No.522073
I want to hug sabocat tightly
No.522074
>Ukranians seething at Italy Cyprus and Hungary because governments do not support nuking SWIFT
<Of course they leave out Germany
Are Ukranians just Slavic Anglos?
No.522075
>>522067>Except the ones who don'tDo you have examples?
The Ukraine poster in these threads made a post to that effect, and CPSU released a similar statement. By all means provide a counter-example, but if they are deviating from a reasonable/correct line then may they indeed are not actually communists. If some organization like the DSA is talking about how NATO should defend Ukraine yeah I'd say they aren't real communists.
No.522076
>>522070<NO AGE RESTRICTIONSAgent Kochinski on his way to Kiev rn
No.522077
>>522074Italian media are censoring this news kek
No.522078
>>522076implying he wasn't already there for maximum clout points
No.522079
>>522074Most likely, yep. The idea of the maidan was for them to leave ukraine finally and get rich in Europe.
No.522080
>>522025About Mexico, sorry i don't really know anon. I'm Brazilian, speaking from our own experience with the PCB which was also hijacked by eurocoms and is a neolib party today ("Citizenship", blandest name ever)
>>522032Why do chess players end up like that? Complete loonies. Fischer, Kasparov
No.522081
>Putin, in response to Zelensky's proposal, is ready to send a delegation to Minsk at the level of representatives of the Ministry of Defense, the Foreign Ministry, and the presidential administration for negotiations with Kiev, Peskov said.
No.522082
>>521574easier said than done
No.522083
So has anything of importance happened while I was sleeping
No.522084
>>522083I caught up with friends for dinner, it was pretty good
No.522085
>>522083Kyiv airport retaken by Ukraine, Russian attack on Kharkiv repulsed
No.522086
>>522072>Meh, when Russia was in charge they pursued a heavy neolib policy which is part of why people ended up revolting two times.Neoliberalism is less harmful than being an imperial colony, but that's not even really the point, because the impetus behind revolts was NATO turning them into a puppet state. There are always factions within a country who oppose the current situation, no matter what it is. "HURR DURR THEY HAD A REVOLT" doesn't mean anything unless you look at what concretely backed it up, which in many cases today is a foreign power (particularly a western one) changing the guard to a puppet regime that will serve western influences (in other words a colony).
>If they really could have gone in the EU it would have been better for them and they knew it.Part of why things have played out how they have is because they were hoping for NATO to pay them back, but they don't appreciate the asymmetry of the situation. They were never going to be let into the western sphere of influence because they were not useful in that way.
>Being in the western sphere didn't solve their problems though and they couldn't get their economy up even after closing worker orgsSince when does that help the economy? Man you're really starting to glow.
>>522083Kiev still not under Putin's control but he's getting closer. Looks like it's correct that he's mainly pursuing regime change.
No.522088
anything interesting happen during the last 3 threads/12 hours?
No.522089
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497177195609010179
>Molotov in Kiev<CHAZ in Seattle was more armed than thatImagine the embarassment
No.522090
>>522084Based and friend pilled
What did you eat
No.522091
People here are wrong, The anti-american imperialismfags here are right-wing, and also expansionist.
No.522092
>>522085>Kyiv airport retaken by Ukraine,So the VDV there were wiped out?
rip
No.522093
>>522088Russian is in Kiev rightnow.
No.522094
>>522089bro is that dude gonna get himself killed?
wouildn't a tank shoot him?
what is the best spot to throw this shit form? i think from high up above where you they can't see you no?
No.522095
>>522084>>522085Sumy was taken by Russia. The city of Chernobyl enclosed more with Russian forces.
The map size of Russian control has increased by huge chucnk.
Mariupol, Melitopol…
No.522096
>>522092no, russians are currently operating out of the air field after being liked up with paratroopers, every report of them being wiped out was cope
No.522097
>>522089>A village guy from DonbasI'm so confused
No.522098
>>521738This is what no theory does to a mother fucker.
No.522099
>>522094I strongly doubt that shit could work on tanks.
Maybe on Grads and lighter things like that.
Luckily enough the Ukrops are not aware of the Houthipill to face APCs.
No.522102
>>522097to troll people that he is from Donbas fighting against Russia. Maybe, it is always possible, he is indeed from there, but doesn't think well of them, apparently.
No.522103
>>522099it doesn't work, the retard kiev government is going to get so many people killed goddamn
No.522104
I'm getting tired of the plot tbh, I'd like for Turkey to intervene.
This way we could get Ukrainian and Turkish reactoids BTFO at the same time.
No.522105
>>522087Reddit is a glow hive. Any time there's a political event of any significance you see this shit. The most obvious case was when the Hillary Clinton campaign purchased spambots (and probably also glowies behind the scenes of the site itself) to spam her political line, because it was so sharply contrasted with the overwhelmingly pro-Sanders posts that were covering the site the previous day. In fact you can usually scroll down a couple of comments to see people with much more reasonable takes. The important thing isn't censorship but dominating conversation, and they are always finding the "hot" or rising threads, posting the glow narrative in a comment, and getting that comment to the top ASAP (probably just editing the vote value directly since unlike twitter you can't see who contributes the points). They do the same with the actual posts, but they also tend to delete or hide the main posts more when they disagree with the narrative.
Eglin Airforce Base was "most addicted city" on reddit according to their own blog post.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160604042751/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html And Ghislaine Maxwell was allegedly a power mod with ties to administrators. She might even be the reason /r/jailbait stayed on the site so long.
No.522106
>>522090Sirloin steak with mash potatoes, slaw and pickles.
No.522107
>>522069That's not what I'm seeing in eastern europe. In my country increasing number of people want a referendum on exiting NATO, to the point that it's become a talking point for some leftists parties. But the counter-propaganda from cuck parties will be very insane and effective after this. "Ukraine would have been saved if it was part of NATO, communist traitors want Russian hordes in our country, etc." And majority of people, who otherwise don't care either way, will fall for it. The country is already full of pathetic pro-Ukranian wailing from every side and all of the media.
No.522108
>>522099Modern BTCs/Russian tanks have smoke curtains to extinguish the fire.
>>522095>>522083Also, the first Mi-24 appearance in the air, there is a video with like 3 of them in the air. Soon most of the ukrainian APCs/Tanks will be down.
No.522111
This "multipolarity" meme has gone too far
No.522112
>>522108Even if the fire comes from below à la Houthi traps?
No.522113
>>522097> I'm so confusedWhy are you? Do you think most people supported Russian invasion?
No.522114
>>522109>I swear to God, a US puppet, nothing else.The problem is he doesn't even know it. He's a incompetent clown who thought he could rule just by being likeable.
No.522116
>>522111How many fucking times do we have to explain multipolarity here? This literally happens every other thread. What are people's fucking problems? Keep in mind most urgent joint statements from communist parties all around the world are more or less pushing a multipolar line.
No.522117
>>522107i dunno, the lack of action of NATO on ukraine can just as easily bring parallels to how useless the league of nations was and how you're going to be used for american brinksmanship instead.
(yes i know those are two separate things, but the parallel exists because both in theory are meant to "stop war", the only reason why i bring this up is because i've already heard it as an argument from someone who is not interested in any theory and outraged by this whole affair)
No.522118
>>522111It is inevitable. The march of history.
No.522119
>>522086Idealist post, probably would have argued if not for the fedjacketting
No.522120
>>522110Ukrops didn't learn from the last time someone tried to pit a hastily organised volksturm force against a Russian invasion.
No.522121
>>522116Are you talking about these?
>>521738 No.522122
Russia preparing to send delegates to Minsk.
https://t.me/bbbreaking/116527>Russia is ready to send its delegation to Minsk for talks with Ukraine, press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov said.>As you know, today the President of Ukraine Zelensky announced his readiness to discuss the neutral status of Ukraine. Initially, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the purpose of the operation was to help the LPR and the DPR, including through the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. And this, in fact, is an integral component of the neutral status," Peskov said.>"In this context, in response to Zelensky's proposal, Vladimir Putin is ready to send a Russian delegation to Minsk at the level of representatives of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the presidential administration for negotiations with the Ukrainian delegation," the presidential press secretary said. No.522124
>>522111It has gone far in the sense that there's nothing more to discuss. It's a fact.
No.522125
>>522111Not far enough. This is disappointing frankly, Russia being pushed into a corner like that.
No.522126
>>522112Well, no. It for precisely those cheaps molotovs. Those Ansar Allah (try to use that name, Houthi is a pejorative name impulsed by the Saudis intentionally) traps are insanely worst.
No.522128
>>522121Yes, not to mention the Russian communist parties and German ones have pulled a similar line.
No.522130
>>521963thats possible but people here told me he betrayed the Soviet Union straight up when the white house was burning and I just cant see where.
Maybe he became a pussy later, his strawberry farm shit is surely weak but when people start with a wrong claim I cant help but dismiss them until further notice
No.522131
>>522126In the earlier phase of the Yemen War Ansarallah traps were made of:
1)Some 0,20 euros lighters
2)The will of Allah
Yet they were crushing 200 000 $ APCs on multiple occasions, to the point they installed a giant lighter in Sanaa to celebrate it.
No.522133
>>522038>Ukraine expected assistance from NATO here and did not get it.Nobody expected assistance from NATO, realistically. This whole shit was a ruse from the very beginning.
No.522134
>>522106How many calories was that
>>522113I truly do not know, Is the thing about Donbas genocide real?
No.522135
>>522051the site was unreachable several hours ago
>>522052shut up, cretin
No.522136
>>522134Probably less than the accompanying beers!
No.522137
>>522123i hate that i thinki know what pat soc means
Patroitic socialists? I fucking hate it, I hate nationalism so much
No.522138
>>522134> Is the thing about Donbas genocide real?No. The thing about both sides' Nazis commiting war crimes is true.
No.522139
>>522003remember democratic centralism? what party discipline is that. I mean I am pretty sure Zuganov is a guilty of just pumping out his statement too but what is a party even worth when it releases 2 opposing statements
No.522141
>>522131>to the point they installed a giant lighter in Sanaa to celebrate itDamn 😂
No.522142
>>521981Bruh, why did the US share that intel with China?
No.522143
>>522139To be fair I'm glad Zyucucknov has to face some opposition from the left inside his own party.
It means that commitment to socialism its still alive among the base of the party.
No.522144
>>522015wasn't russia on the side of the entente?
No.522146
>>522086>They were never going to be let into the western sphere of influence because they were not useful in that way.they were useful as a human shield to poke russia with
No.522148
>>522107> In my country increasing number of people want a referendum on exiting NATO, to the point that it's become a talking point for some leftists parties. But the counter-propaganda from cuck parties will be very insane and effective after this. "Ukraine would have been saved if it was part of NATO, communist traitors want Russian hordes in our country, etc." And majority of people, who otherwise don't care either way, will fall for it.I see your point, but NATO is failing at its purpose. In the short term it might hold together, but even in this case the propaganda could go the other way.
>>522111cope
>>521738Theorylets gonna theorylet.
For fuck's sake this whole situation is hardly a "meat grinder." Russia has been very swiftly taking power with relatively few casualties. They pretty obviously just want to change the government from NATO puppet to Russia puppet what dabbing on NATO.
>>522142Because the Biden regime are a bunch of amateurs. They don't have any competent statepeople.
>>522145FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK>>522146This pretty much sums it up.
No.522149
>>522130I think the strawberry farm is that other dude, Grudinin.
>>522145Oops
No.522150
>>521486dude knows all this yet has zero class concisouness to understand why would the US porkies do all this
making profit triumps ideology, when will the libs learn
>>522007>>521491what's so scary? we will do the same to anti-socialists when we have global power
everyone must be nake, this is their truth
>>522129Why is that special, who is he
No.522153
>>522145Putin really did want a war, it seems
No.522154
>>522149damn thx. So whats the accusation of Zuganov not from now (cause recently hes - I can see why hes hated) but from the 90ies?
No.522155
>>522136lol, cheers!
>>522148what would have been a smarter move by the biden adminstration then? i want to understand
No.522157
>>522149what does this post mean
No.522159
>>522156RUSSIA CLAY MUST PAY
YOU HURT ROMANIA, YOU HUR THE WORLD!
No.522160
>>522154People basically accuse him of accepting defeat (elections were "fair" as in "no fraud", but influenced by heavy propaganda) in 1996 and not going Trump mode
No.522161
>>522145The Ukrainians really want a false flag, kek
No.522162
>>522156NATO does an exception for attacks on Romania because nobody gives a shit about Romania.
No.522163
>>522150Professional chess player turned gusano dipshit CNN pundit who thinks playing boardgames and being from the country gives him special knowledge of Putin's super secret master plan to take over the world!!!11!!11!
No.522164
>>522151Romania isn't going to declare war just because one of their ships got hit by a stray shot
No.522165
>>522156>>522151>>522148ITS A MOLDOVIAN SHIPNOT NATOrelax
No.522166
>>522126>>522131how do you make them, and how do they get it down near the tank?
No.522167
>>5221581) APCs (not tanks usually, even if Ansarallah soldiers swear they also did it with them) rolling
2) Crushes the lighter(s)
3) Lighters set alight the vehicle
4) Driver is forced to abandon the vehicle and gets shot
5) APC is left to burn or destroyed
No.522168
>>522160and getting shot the same evening. Thats so sad when people need to invent shit instead of using what credible things there are. Thank you for explaining to me
No.522169
>>522163that explains a lot lol
No.522170
>>522165lol Ukrainian fake news again. Poor Moldovians tho. Leave them alone they literally have nothing to lose
No.522172
>>522165Oh, I forgot this "country" still exists.
No.522173
>>522168He later gone being fully supportive of Putin, to be honest. But in 1996 it was a matter of survival, Yeltsin literally did have plans for military coup and civil war.
No.522175
>>522131yeah, baby, but they require training and technique. a molotov requires you to have 0 brains.
I have read techniques how to do the lighter trap and is annoying as hell. This is really struggling against imerpiaism how looks like.
No.522177
>>522155>what would have been a smarter move by the biden adminstration then?Just gonna relink the post for context
>>5219811) It's stupid to think that it would work to appeal to China to avert war. US and Russia are major geopolitical rivals. China is happy to watch them fight.
2) This means that sharing sensitive information like this with China is stupid because it shows them (a) valuable intel about Russia, which might be directly useful and can validate their own intel and (b) reveals information about US intel capabilities. It also shows the US is stupid enough to share this information.
The fact that it's known that China shared the intel with Russia means that China doesn't even care, probably because the intel isn't even that useful or important, and because doing this publicly embarrasses the US terribly and heightens tensions between the US and Russia.
No.522181
>>522171He is closer to a socdem (this means "like Old Labour" in CPRF) surely. He still worships Stalin because it's CPRF.
No.522184
>>522173thats basically what I suspected. Yeah I mean realistically theres no communist Russia with him. well see whether China makes some pressure to reform the party, maybe the vacuum then could be used to - no turn it around 180 degree but make it principled again.
No.522187
>>522184>Current China>Makes pressure for a Russian communist party to become genuinely communistNow that's a principal contradiction right there pal.
No.522192
>>522187dude I am not stupid and believe theyre in any way meaning any good for communism, but nominally the KPRF is their ideological ally and maybe that friction can be used to do some actual changes in a good direction (much against Chinese direct interest)
No.522195
>>522184china will never do any such thing, the unfortunate thing about china is that it is only interested in its own interests
No.522199
>>522190you are retarded if you think that's not shit
No.522202
>>522192they get rid of zuganov for a chinese puppet after Putin is retiring, this puppet is unpopular and an ML can emerge the new party leader
No.522204
>>521486Kasparov has always been a deranged retard like this. Generally speaking chess players are some of the most self-aggrandizing people I've ever come across.
No.522206
>>522199No, explain yourself why you are against it
No.522208
>>522195you mean the good thing about China
No.522210
>>522195>>522202the latter is a scenario I could imagine. I am not believing in China as socialism
No.522213
WHERE IS NEW THREAD
No.522214
>>522192And why would China have to do this ? They have to suck that American dollars to become superpower you know !
No.522217
>>522206>no US interventionthere is already US intervention. Stop screaming empty slogans. Either say USA fuck off from Ukraine or stay silent with your lib idiocy.
>Debsliteral anti-communist revisionist
read a fucking book
No.522219
>>522208no, ussr foreign policy was probably one of the best things about the ussr with all of the foreign aid and fostering socialist states abroad. china could really learn from the example, but they prefer not to.
No.522223
>>522177Wow, Does russia not mind being flamed by china like this?
No.522225
>>522219Better than involving yourself in things you have no understanding of.
No.522227
>>522217>Since there is already an US intervention it's liberal to say no to itAmazing brain you got there pal
No.522229
>>522217>>no US intervention>there is already US intervention.and? "No X" doesn't mean "No X except for X that already exists." And they are clearly talking about responses in this context. You can't explain the history of the situation in a tweet.
>>Debs>literal anti-communist revisionistlol
No.522231
>>522217So you wanted swear words, and wokescolding about some socdem quote
I don't know what you were expecting here,
This was the most based soc-dem thing they could say while still being soc-dems
No.522235
>>522233*Births a new child*
FUCK
No.522238
btw why do we need a new thread? why can't mods make this a rolling sticky?
No.522240
>>522223It's not really a problem for Russia. It just makes the US look bad. It's not China's fault the US is being stupid, but Russia won't have its feelings hurt lol. They understand the relationship they have with China and that this conflict helps China.
No.522242
so uh where is new thread
No.522243
>Twitter getting in a frenzy for the supposed exploits of a Ukranian "ace" which would be credited with 6 kills against Russian airplanes
<No proof provided
No.522246
>>522243This is a war. People need heroes, that's the exact reason why people all over twitter are citing "Russian military vessel, go fuck" response by Ukrainian border guards being shelled.
No.522248
>>522242I ate it, Sorry lads
No.522253
>>522251Why are you scared comrade ?
No.522255
the idea that this conflict is genuinely about "de-nazification" or that the Azov Battalion are gonna be the ones most profoundly impacted by the invasion is a joke
No.522257
>>522255I fear that this invasion will radicalize Ukrainian nationalists instead.
No.522259
>>522255So I think the script will go like this: The Ukrainian army is beaten back, but the Azov batallion "heroically" made a last stand in Kiev which saved the country, and thus begins Ukraine's descent into a far-right haven.
No.522261
>>522257They already have comrade, when they allow the Azovs to become part of Ukrainian military.
No.522263
>>522259arent they already dead?
No.522265
>>522257And that quote had nothing to do with Enver Hoxha's predictions though
No.522267
>>522243>ace combat ukrop propagandalel
No.522270
so no new thread?
No.522272
>>522261Yes, but if you look at the actions of Azov battalion you will se that this integration means nothing to them. Hell, they said Zelensky to go fuck himself when he issued the order to disband them in 2019.
No.522274
NEW THREAD
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No.522278
>>522272If this Zelensky really meant business then that group would have gone to the wind. No, they want that group to stay. Face facts comrade.
No.522280
>>522255Most invasions and wars are like this. The laymen don't know or can get the time to obtain a proper understanding international relations. So they are fed emotionally appealing narratives to get behind one side. Think about the babies and the ethnic cleansing! Don't you feel sad? We should go to war!
No.522282
>>522255Obviously "de-nazification" is just PR move, but it's a good one. People here are asking me wtf does Putin mean by that, so now they're learning about how NATO supports neonazis.
No.522284
>>522245Damn you're gonna make me read more Hoxha
No.522288
>>522245He had a way of getting his point across 🤣
No.522290
>>522253i do not know to read
i'm just scared his predictions might be extremely eerily true No.522293
>>522278Is it not possible that Zelensky is powerless?
No.522295
>>522280NEVER!
I for one believe in the truest human ideal, Lazyness!
Not to war because I don't wanna get up and stranger things new season is coming out soon
CONSOOM, NO WAR
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