No.523793[Last 50 Posts]
UKRAINIAN MECHAS EDITIONTO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/ (not always reliable)
LATEST
Ukraine conflict: Fighting rages near Kyiv after Russia invasion
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60513116Russian forces approaching Kyiv from northeast & east; Ukrainian Prez pleads for help (LIVE UPDATES)
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/newsblogs/russia-ukraine-war-crisis-news-live-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-latest-updates/liveblog/89813650.cmsRussia attacks Ukraine live updates: Russian forces close on Kyiv (LIVE UPDATES)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/russian-troops-advancing-closer-to-kyiv-us-says-liveblogLatest updates: Ben Wallace says Russia’s ambition is to invade 'the whole of Ukraine’ but its forces have so far lost around 450 personnel
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/feb/25/uk-politics-live-boris-johnson-russia-invasion-ukraine-latest-updatesMany Are Stranded by the War in Ukraine, From Students to Soccer Players, and Reportedly a Hollywood Name
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/many-are-stranded-by-the-war-in-ukraine-from-students-to-soccer-players-and-reportedly-a-hollywood-name/ar-AAUhRKkANALYSIS
Sergey Karaganov: Russia’s new foreign policy, the Putin Doctrine
https://www.rt.com/russia/550271-putin-doctrine-foreign-policy/Why Biden didn’t negotiate seriously with Putin
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously–
N.B. to other OPs: refresh the news, don't just copy paste the old OP
N.B. to people screaming "Western sources! reeeeeee!", in times of war like this, you have to get info from wherever you can. it is up to the reader to use critical thinking skills and choose what to believe
No.523794
1nd
No.523795
People screaming Putler but it's been
Volodolf Zelentler
all along
Really makes you think
No.523796
HEY HEY
HO HO
VOLODOLF HITLENSKY'S GOT TO GO
No.523797
one more thread then I am doing other shit. I mean I care for this shit and war fascinates me plus I have some connections towards Russia but - being with you retards doesnt do me good :P
No.523799
NATO about to intervene
No.523803
Nato, it's time for the preemptive nuclear strikes, you know what to do.
No.523805
>>523798>>523800these go together like a chees & wine combo lmao
No.523808
>>523801The guy who took this screen shot, are like his parents cousins or something?
No.523809
This whole affair has proved china is the only winner in moder geopolitics
No.523812
>>523808No ? Why do you make such a question ? Is it bad to do so ?
No.523814
>>523812They are very difficult to read. Why just not take the whole page?
No.523815
WHEN IS THIS SHIT GONNA BE OVER I LITERALLY CANT FOCUS ON ANYHTING ELSE
No.523816
>>523814I don't know, some people think it's more convenient to do so. Cut them some slack will you ?
No.523817
>>523815same, this is a black vortex that sucked me in
I HAVE WORK TO DO, GODDAMIT!
No.523818
If we speak about urban warfare, what exactly does a soldier gain by making himself a bigger target that won't be able to pass trough normal sized doors? At best it allows him to wield bigger weapons. But then it would be much easier and cheaper to miniaturize heavy weaponry than making mechsuits
No.523820
>>523818>what exactly does a soldier gainhe becomes x100 times more cool
No.523821
>Kyiv
No.523822
>>523811the Ukrainian idiots acutally do keep suggesting this though lol
>Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt. No.523823
>>523813b-b-but people here told me only NATO would do something like that
No.523825
>>523807>small sized mechsmaybe
>normal sized mechsno fucking way, maybe just as a big scary thing to present in military parades, but never used on the frontlines due to being a fucking massive target
No.523826
>>523797What are people saying in Krautland? In your opinion, will this drive the EU and US closer together?
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>>523824
stopped reading after green.
No.523828
>>523818Having the abilities of a tank without the disadvantages of being a vehicle, I suppose.
More mobility and if hit, less mortality (I think), more modularity (since the mecha picks up the weapon itself) and better expense of the manpower (one mech one person, instead of 1 tank 5 people).
No.523829
>>523807Too pricey and ultimately have less utility than a tank which can go unexpectedly fast
May see some exoskeleton type shit you can equip with weapons that are traditionally too heavy for single soldiers though
No.523831
>>523807Enjoy your high profile billion dollar machine that constantly breaks down and need 20 engineers to maintain though
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>>523810
Cute doggo
No.523833
I'll post it in this thread too, if you're curious about the Kiev>Kyiv thing, it's a propaganda campaign by the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs called #CorrectUA.
https://mfa.gov.ua/en/correctuahttps://www.facebook.com/CorrectUAhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev No.523834
>>523820If it were me, i'd rather be a cringe living victorious soldier in cuck camo and bulletproof jackets than a based dead warrior blown up in his cool powerarmor while I was trying to free myself from some flat's entrance. But i'm not in the military so i can only guess what would actual army guy think about that.
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>>523827kek it never fails these days, quite incredible how the imperialists took over what was originally a leftist movement fighting industry, capitalism and states
No.523840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBqBJ6C5MkwNew Putin song by Polish artist Cypis, of "Polish dancing cow" fame.
No.523842
>>523801You can make mathematical models to predict the spread of disease without an understanding of germ theory
No.523843
How many hours until Kiev goes down?
No.523844
>>523839So at the cost of eliminating one NATO buffer state they'll…. get another NATO buffer state.
No.523845
>>523842What you said is completely irrelevant.
No.523846
>>523839Who?
Me yesterday literally!
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>>523824
>mfw the Russian naval invasion of Stockholm is coming soon
No.523848
lmao, ukrainian army shooting their own armed citizens by accident
https://twitter.com/knowjjkom/status/1497206448144723971https://twitter.com/Dembele2229/status/1497213728915398657https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1497213415022071808
>Family of 4 who got supplied with AK's by the Ukranian government gets slain by the Ukrainian military just an hour later in mistaken identity. No.523849
>>523844Which will probably be invaded after their done with Ukraine in order to stop it.
No.523850
>>523847hell yeah. Fuck the swedish, hypocritical "pacifist" palme murderers
No.523851
>Russia has launched an amphibious assault to the west of Mariupol in southeastern Ukraine, a senior U.S. defense official tells @NBCNews.
>Indications suggest that thousands of naval forces are being put ashore there, says the official.
BEGINNING OF THE END FOR AZOV
No.523852
>>523823Yes a column of military vehicles is the same as several hundred cars full of civilians
No.523853
>>523844They'll also get closer military ties with China because NATO expanding is really a "nobody liked that" move outside of the first world.
No.523854
>>523849Not if Finland gets to NATO first. How do they do these anyways? Can they just get in a meeting overnight and sign some papers, hey you're in NATO now?
No.523855
>>52384348h give or take.
I wonder how many Ukrainians were waiting for the release of Elden Ring.
No.523856
>>523826>What are people saying in Krautlandtypical libshit takes and virtue signalling
>In your opinion, will this drive the EU and US closer together?relativeley spoken: yes. but mostly because russia and EU are driven apart, following US interests, lastsly, isnt EU interests
No.523857
Statement from the Communist Party of Canada
The military incursion of Russian forces into Ukraine has seriously ratcheted up tensions in the region, across Europe and internationally, and increased the danger of ‘great power’ confrontation and even nuclear war. This military action must end as quickly as possible, and with minimum loss of lives, especially among the civilian population, and a negotiated political settlement to the crisis must be sought and secured.
The Communist Party of Canada condemns the Canadian government’s role in stoking tensions leading to the outbreak of war in Europe, sending troops, arms, and funds to Ukraine while insisting that war between Russia and Ukraine is inevitable.
Instead of working to find a peaceful, negotiated political solution Canada’s government has once again taken its lead from the US and NATO, provoking the Russian Federation and ignoring Russia’s legitimate security concerns arising from NATO’s relentless Eastern expansion. The drive to war includes transmitting war propaganda as factual information on publicly owned media like CBC.
In 1990, the US then-Secretary of State James Baker made an agreement with USSR’s President Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not extend its eastern reach beyond Germany’s borders, and then proceeded to do exactly that, in the process encircling Russia with NATO states, military encampments and weapons all pointing at Russia. The 2014 Maidan coup d’état installed a far-right nationalist government, with the open participation of fascist and Nazi elements in Ukraine. This was immediately followed by overt discriminatory attacks and threats against the large Russian-speaking minority in the country, and led directly to Crimea’s secession and the formation of the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. It also further escalated tensions with its Russian neighbour to the north. This came to a head last Sunday when Ukraine’s President Zelensky told a NATO Security Summit that Ukraine sought immediate membership in NATO and would consider repeal of its non-nuclear status, opening the door to the installation of nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil by NATO.
This was immediately followed by last week’s shelling of the newly independent republics in the Eastern Donbas by Ukrainian military forces and fascist militias.
It seems more than likely that these events contributed to the Russian decision to respond with military force February 24th. Perhaps the loss of 27 million Soviet citizens in the last great European war had a bearing on this decision.
Whatever the reason, Canada could have acted to de-escalate the growing crisis long before war broke out, by insisting the agreement to limit NATO’s eastward expansion should be honoured; by repatriating Canadian troops stationed in Latvia; by refusing to send additional troops and arms to Ukraine; by insisting the Minsk agreements be honoured by the Kiev government; and by pressing for negotiations leading to a peaceful, political solution.
Today, Canada must act to put out the fire it has helped to set, before it grows and expands to involve all of Europe. The Canadian government must:
Repatriate Canadian troops, arms and military equipment located in Europe
Demand that the US, NATO and EU immediately withdraw from the region and the conflict, and honour the agreement to limit NATO’s eastern European border to Germany
Press for a negotiated political solution between Russia, Ukraine and the republics in the Donbas The US, Canada and NATO are not the world’s police force.
Working people in Canada and around the world who support peace and political solutions- not military force – will need to act quickly to rebuild the powerful peace movements capable of stopping and preventing wars while holding governments to account. Canada’s immediate withdrawal from NATO would be a good first step towards its complete dissolution.
Central Executive Committee, Communist Party of Canada
February 24, 2022
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No.523858
>>523856>relativeley spoken: yes. but mostly because russia and EU are driven apart, following US interests, lastsly, isnt EU interestsSo short term effect, EU and US ties strengthen, but eventually will just weaken anyways because of material interests?
No.523859
>>523852Maybe you should read up on the original Highway of Death, it was mainly a column of military vehicles with some civilian ones
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>>523838I just realised they painted the Z on the reactive armour lol
No.523862
>>523818>If we speak about urban warfare, what exactly does a soldier gain by making himself a bigger target that won't be able to pass trough normal sized doors? Being something like a tank but being able to tuck away to safety into cover (those cover being buildings) + being invulnerable to small arms fire.
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>>523861unironically LARPers
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>>523865you mean the guy who posted hoxha or the guy who said math model ?
No.523867
Now when Russia gets balkanized, there will be no sympathy because they started the fighting
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WHY FHE FUXK DID MY ELECTRICITY JUST GO OUT RIGHT NOW WHILE WATCHING NOBBLEBERRY
I LIVE IN INDIA, ARE WE BEING ATTACKED TOO
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>>523824
Oh fug. Our retarded greens are going to push us into nato and then my shithole country is going to get denazified.
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>>523868>I LIVE IN INDIA, ARE WE BEING ATTACKED TOOYes, the evil of Vladolf Putler knows no artificial boundaries likes those of nation borders.
No.523871
>>523866i made a mistake with
>>523865, i wanted to reply to
>>523861 No.523872
>>523868Putin is coming for the RSS
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>>523858>So short term effect, EU and US ties strengthen, but eventually will just weaken anyways because of material interests?yes
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>>523835
I hate liberals, I hate virtue signalers I hate it. But hey imma calm down, as long as liberals are toothless virtue signalers that’s a million times better than liberal warhawks.
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>>523800>Facebook is pro-nazi if nazis are pro-NATOSabocat, plz explain
No.523879
>Kremlin: Kiev proposed talks in Warsaw but then broke off contact
bpd zelensky ghosting people
No.523884
>>523875If this is actually footage of the conflict right now and not from some conflict years ago, why the hell are there people recording videos in city right now? Shouldn’t they have evacuated by now?
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>>523883
DeMcDonaldization
No.523887
Chinese banks sanctioning Russia is no big deal really. They need to keep up appearances and play both sides, we have known this since the beginning. In other words: it's a nothingburger.
No.523888
>>523884Ukraine is poor as fuck, lots of people can't afford to leave
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>>523824
Someone has to ban the EuroGreens from all political representation.
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>>523884I heard there are about 4 million expected refuges, so 36 million would be staying
No.523892
>>523868You live in India and you don’t have regular load shedding?
No.523893
>>523888also Ukrainian commissars catching them in the cars and dragging them to the front isnt all to helpful either
No.523895
>>523891If it's not threatening the big bosses in Western Europe no one bats an eye
No.523896
>>523891it was a different kind of war
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>>523887Tend to agree tbh, it's sanctions on dollar trading only and yuan is still allowed, isn't this what the babies crying ITT wanted?
Apparently they have to oblige the US sanctions for dollars anyway, I'm not going to pretend I know how the inner workings international finance system works
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>>523891its by design but it makes me almost happy that theyre ashamed of this war now instead of being proud
No.523899
What's Putin's next move? He gets Ukraine. Then what?
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>>523887They aren’t even sanctioning it inasmuch as they’re switching from dollar-based credit lines to yuan-based ones
No.523902
>>523899he better sleeps 10 years in a glass coffin like a disney princess cause he cant afford that a second time
No.523903
A US general on MSNBC says 190k Russian troops isn't enough if Ukrainians keep fighting
No.523904
>>523888>>523883>>523886The neoliberal shroud has been torn off, only the face of death remains.
No.523906
>>523843Completely dependant on 2 factors:
1) how inhumane (ranging from tactical bombing to carpet bombing, for example) the Russians are prepared to go in warfare
2) how soon Sabocatlensky can be capzured/executed
If I have to take a gander, 5 to 20 hours from now on and vestigial resistance happening afterwards.
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>>523903Isnt enough for what?
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>>523891Also the low-level warfare which started with the Euromaidan shitshow had some 13k fatalities.
No.523910
>>523883>>523886The McDonalds consensus has ended
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>>523902Don't jinx it. Crazier things have happened.
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>>523888Official evacuation my guy, means it’s the state. If the state didn’t have contingencies for its own citizens evacuation in case of war or whatever then that’s no state at all. A state should be able to evacuate an entire city with immediate temporary housing before they are put in more “permanent” housing before a conflict settles. Germans weren’t living in the destroyed buildings of Berlin.
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>>523891But if people start talking about Yugoslavia they may start drawing parallels between Kosovo and the Donbas Republics
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>>523915Hopefully they are dead now
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>>523899Poland or Serbia.
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>>523915… volunteers for who
No.523923
It's still NATO's fault that things got this bad, right? Just testing the waters here.
No.523924
>>523922oh, i listened more. they must be nazis right? who else would volunteer.
No.523926
>>523923It's 100% Nato fault
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>>523914How? By attrition?
No.523928
So, Putin will most likely take the important bits of Ukraine and install a puppet government there. Would they then face a Iraq – or even worse, Afghanistan* – style protracted insurgency?
*And i mean the Soviet one.
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>>523883
That's why i support Russia right now.
These nigas soyfacing so hard makes me cooooom
No.523930
>>523913>woman gets a slapp>man gets to die for NATO puppetFeminists, I…
No.523931
>>523915>"This is fookin' war."These guys sound like they had no idea what they signed up for
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>>523923without the illegal coup none of this shit would have happened. Doesnt say that Putin is no scumback but would you have seen the footage here youd know why Ukraine isnt good to root for
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>>523915fucking digusting accent my god
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>>523924probably, its a certain type of brit sex pat right winger who loves to go to places like Ukraine, to find a 'trad' wife who hates foreigners
No.523937
>>523915Those Americans sound sus. There are far too many broken burger vets who only know war. I feel bad for them but it's better for the US if these guys go off to get themselves killed. This is what pursuing empire does to your people.
No.523938
>>523933yes. But the shortest and least bloody way out here is for Putin to win. would help to know wtf he even wants from this.
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>>523917He has schizo boomer takes but his heart is in the righ place
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>>523917I admit I dismissed him as a deluded schizo boomer but everything he said was right
No.523943
>>523933Russia's fault is invading, but I can't fault them for any of the other moves they did. Like what
>>523938 said, this is the first time libs were somewhat right in their whole invasion scare, and it feels quite a black swan event. We can only analyze why Putin did this once we see the effects.
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>>523928Ukraine is flat, it doesn't have the terrain necessary to support an insurgency. Also I'm kind of guessing that Ukrainians don't give enough of a shit.
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>>523938Unfortunately that's probably true, but I think in terms of public messaging communists should still emphasize deescelation from all parties and how the working class has nothing to gain from wars between bourgeois states.
No.523946
>>523938He wants (maybe, possibly) everything east of the Dnepr and to Snibbedi snabbedi the Nazi regime
No.523947
Reminder that Ukraine is NAZIFIED and you are supporting NAZIS if you are pro-Ukraine
From a reddit post in /r/askarussian:
>Well, unfortunately it is true and well documented and not by Vlad but by Human Rights Watch, The Simon W. Center etc.
>Despite what Western media is NOT telling you, Ukraine has a very serious Nazi problem and not just a few extremists as exist in every country, they have a GOVERNMENT policy of embracing them:
>In 2015, the Ukrainian parliament passed legislation making two WWII paramilitaries—the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)—heroes of Ukraine, and made it a criminal offense to deny their heroism. The OUN had collaborated with the Nazis and participated in the Holocaust, while the UPA slaughtered thousands of Jews and 70,000-100,000 Poles on their own volition.
>The government-funded Ukrainian Institute of National Memory is institutionalizing the whitewashing of Nazi collaborators. Last summer, the Ukrainian parliament featured an exhibit commemorating the OUN’s 1941 proclamation of cooperation with the Third Reich (imagine the French government installing an exhibit celebrating the Vichy state!).
>Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces. The Azov Battalion was initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine. Andriy Biletsky, the gang’s leader who became Azov’s commander, once wrote that Ukraine’s mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” Biletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament.
>Last year, the Israeli government’s annual report on anti-Semitism heavily featured Ukraine, which had more incidents than all post-Soviet states combined. The World Jewish Congress, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, and 57 members of the US Congress all vociferously condemned Kiev’s Nazi glorification and the concomitant anti-Semitism.
>Ukrainian Jewish leaders are also speaking out. In 2017, the director of one of Ukraine’s largest Jewish organizations published a New York Times op-ed urging the West to address Kiev’s whitewashing. Last year, 41 Ukrainian Jewish leaders denounced the growth of anti-Semitism. That’s especially telling, given that many Ukrainian Jewish leaders supported the Maidan uprising.
>https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/ No.523948
>>523915According to Russian MOD, earlier today Rus ground forces made contact with VDV who had been fighting there since the beginning. If true then these guys are dead or pulled back.
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>>523938A buffer state, at least non NATO aligned if not explicitely pro Russia
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>>523943>but I can't fault them for any of the other moves they didBy this, I mean most of the stuff before and including the recognition of the DPR and LPR.
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>>523918The most funny thing here is Russian liberal party Yabloko asking to do Kosovo thing in Eastern Ukraine and nobody, even the liberals, listening to them
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>>523948Would be great if they were dead
No.523954
>>523807Exo-skeletons, maybe? Tbh I don't understand why military planes and tanks in this century still have people inside.
>>523899Dunno atm I'm reading commentary on leftypol and pornhub for sparks of inspiration.
No.523957
>>523933What our resident
PSEUD here forgets to mention are:
1) NATO coup (Maidan) resulting in anti-minority legislation (i. e. cultural genocide) followed by
2) Majority Russian territories democratically escaping Ukraine followed by
3) 8 years of indiscriminate shelling against said republics resulting in 14k+ Russian deaths
STOP ADORING THE CANADIAN PSEUD No.523958
>>523870>>523873Nvm guise just a link broken somewhere
>>523872What is that image, are we taking ukranian refugees or something
>>523892Idk what load shedding is but we have some maintenance which the fuckers always inform us 2 hrs later about
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>>523951
The Ukrainian convoy had a number of unmarked vehicles attached to it, would not surprise me if this one was mistaken for one of them. Horrific either way.
No.523962
In case there are any pro NATO retards ITT, read this:
<“But after reading your last post, I can’t but wonder what is Russia afraid of losing that Poland, Ukraine, Hungary, Czech Republic and the other eater countries that joined nato or want to join it are not?”
>I’m sorry, I don’t understand this question. They are not “afraid of losing anything” other than their sovereignty as a large military alliance aimed directly at them keeps adding more members. All the while getting closer and closer to their territory with access to world ending weapons.
>Do you think the US would be happy about Canada and Mexico joining a Chinese military pact and building Chinese bases in Quebec and Tijuana while the Chinese navy has ships on Lake Ontario?? Obviously not, we know what happened when Cuba tried.
<“After all, the west also invaded them twice in the last century.”
>They were admitted to NATO, Russia was denied.
<“What I read about Russia is that it’s not a totally free nation. As you know, the common perception is that Putin controls Russia with an iron fist, in a linear structure of power, with no real free press or opposition. And those who oppose, seem to commit suicide all the time (this is a joke). We hear that him and the oligarchs have practically stolen everything they can and treat the nation and the world as their personal playground living luscious lives while the nation struggles economically. So, isn’t this the case of a minority using the power of a nation to stay in power? If I’m not mistaken, Putin has been in power for about 20 years and yet Russia doesn’t seem to improve. However, the oligarchs and Putin himself have enrich themselves exponentially. Haven’t they?”
>While there is some truth to the above, there’s a lot that’s not as well. The reason Putin polls so well, even by western sources (usually in the 60%’s) is because the quality of life for the average Russian has never been higher. The country was an absolute disaster when he took office and just seven oligarchs controlled ~50% of the country’s GDP. And they did it by cheating…making deals with each other, one gets the TV stations, one gets the oil, another gets the bank, etc. The story of his rise is a great read and certainly complicates the picture of the guy we think is “pure evil”. There’s a doc about Mikhail Khodorkovsky, called Citizen K that I’d suggest. It’s a fluff piece and very pro this anti-Putin Oligarch but even a glowing portrayal shows what a sleeze bag the guy is. Then there were the old school commies that were trying to regain power, furious over the fall of the CCCP. Really amazing recent history that I wish more people knew about.
>https://youtu.be/GtZDb0uo4ls
>https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/08/books/review/the-new-tsar-the-rise-and-reign-of-vladimir-putin-by-steven-lee-myers.html
>And try to think of another Iron fist ruler in recent history that has greatly improved the life of the average citizen…Russia in 2000 vs 2020 is a HUGE improvement. That’s not typically their MO, usually it’s ALL about self enrichment but that is just not the case in Russia. They have Nikes and movies and rock and roll just like the rest of us, something they’ve never had previously. Here’s a link to their GDP chart, take a look at the 25 year growth:
>https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp
>The press and opposition are tricky subjects…for instance, Zelensky imprisoned the guy that came in 2nd in the last election and closed down three newspapers that were critical of him, do we say he has an “Iron fist”? Trudeau just called peaceful protestors “terrorists” and slid towards tyranny with relative ease, threatening to euthanize the protesters pets. My point here is that it’s hard to have an honest/verifiable opinion of something we’re not living through. We can listen to the media but we know much of their job is just to manufacture consent. Putin’s Russia is definitely not as “free” as we are but it’s miles and miles from China or N.Korea.
>But obviously it’s not all roses and the gains made early have definitely plateaued. He has his own group of oligarchs now, and no doubt is resistant to giving up power. The older folks still remember how it was and tend to view him much more favorably for the stability he has brought. The younger generations however don’t have that perspective and tend to view him less favorably. How much of that is due to his own failures/immortality vs the result of sanctions and geopolitical chess is something someone much smarter than me will have to figure out.
<“And thank you too for educating me on you pov in a respectful way. I think this is how we can all learn to care for each other even if we disagree.”
>Completely agree and thank you as well. Too many people just read what feeds their bias without taking the time to see why the other side thinks what they do, so thank you again for the conversation.
>Health and Happiness to you and yours!
>Edit: I found a clip I like. Three billionaires had closed down a factory and slow paid wages, probably trying to make things uneasy for him politically. He made all three go with him and he made them sign and pay on the spot, “The deadline is today”. Some say it’s staged but in the book above, (not a pro-Putin read) the story is described pretty well and I think it’s a good look at what was going on…it was Vlad and his KGB guys vs. legit gangster oligarchs:
>https://youtu.be/3wxrTtBSrOE No.523964
>>523957This is what being hyperonline does to a mf
No.523965
>>523957>1) NATO coup (Maidan) resulting in anti-minority legislation (i. e. cultural genocide) followed by>2) Majority Russian territories democratically escaping Ukraine followed by>3) 8 years of indiscriminate shelling against said republics resulting in 14k+ Russian deathsThose (among other things) are what I was referring to when I said that NATO is responsible for creating the tensions in the first place.
>>523943>I cant fault them for any of the other moves they did. I agree, up until the actual invasion I was pretty much fully on Moscow's side, but I can't endorse a bourgeois war.
No.523966
Russia should consider making Bitcoin a legal tender to evade sanctions
No.523967
>>523891East Europe doesnt count. Ukraine is honorary white just because they're pro NATO.
No.523968
>>523961
it still was a Moldavian flag.
No.523969
>>523917Is he one of our posters?
No.523970
>>523956MSM seems to be committing to the “Putin is crazy” but. There was an article or something earlier in one of the threads implying he lost his mind because of long covid and isolation or some shit lol.
No.523971
>>523951
>see a military vehicle still on fire
TURN AROUND BRAH
No.523972
>>523961
It was debunked by Ukrainian MoD, the ship is Moldavian, they are a country with Romanian population, not Romania
No.523973
>>523883
>yeah huh well huh, vuvuzela, bottom text, iphone, mcburger haha gottem eric style libshit commie
So I guess that argument holds less than zero molecules of water.
No.523977
>>523883
But this McDonalds meme was debunked long ago and now is a joke amongst people invested into IR
No.523979
>>523976Liberal feminism just upholds the patriarchy and is just as misogynistic anyways tbh.
No.523980
>>523824
Those snowcrackers also want to get steamrolled like Ukraine, fucking dumbasses
No.523981
>>523844Rus controlled E. Ukraine is definitely getting the north korean sanctions treatment. I would just immediately leave.
No.523982
Man why the fuck do both sides have to have the same hardware, I can't tell whos doing the war crimes in half the videos
No.523983
>>523883>>523886Pax McDonaldia
No.523984
>>523976>imagine if Putin were a femaleI do this every day
No.523985
>>523883
Remember kids, don’t overdose on ideology lest you end up like starry-eyes liberals in the 90s.
No.523987
Did anyone figure out what the Z's were for? Seems interesting that the specific meaning of that symbol was not apparently confirmed. For some reason neither Rus nor Ukr side wanted to tell people what it meant.
No.523988
Would a agreement where Putin gives Ukraine it's own government back when they take over Ukraine but he establishes that Ukraine must have no military anymore just like Costa Rica be ideal? If they disagree then Ukraine becomes incorporated into Russia.
No.523989
>>523987It's indication of military district
No.523990
>>523987Someone mentioned it might’ve been which campaign theater the vehicles belonged to (East, North, South)
No.523991
>>523943>libs were somewhat right in their whole invasion scareActually they were not because war wasn't inevitable, it was a possibility. Russia made military drills and build up not as a mere show of strength and not to prepare an already decided invasion but as a bargaining tool for diplomatic talks. It's brinkmanship and a way of getting what they want. What the media and the libs you talk about did would be like saying the USSR is planning to nuke Miami in 62 by putting ballistic missiles on Cuba. Because no they were not, they were actually building strength to get what they wanted, and trough diplomacy (no more US missiles in Turkey if I remember well) the war was averted.
Here because of something not totally clear yet NATO and Ukraine made war inevitable by not wanting to give anything, which is extremely stupid because Russia will end up in a position of strength they would not have had with a diplomatic resolutions. The libs and the media by painting the war as inevitable did not help to avert it and maybe even participated in the escalation of this conflict to this degree of violence. The russian propagandists and dumb tankies didn't help either by refusing to see war as a possibility because hey what international relations and history have to do with anything anyway, only nato can be evil!
No.523992
>>523987somebody posted it a while ago - the Z means that theyre from the Eastern district. I cant tell you why. There are other signs too but most, especially initial movement came over the East
No.523993
>>523965The biggest thing I blame NATO with is rejecting the conversation about neutral status for Ukraine. It wasn't going to happen anyways for a long time, so why not just give in. Finland is (or was) doing fine. They know that, which says to me that they wanted to station scary military bases/nuclear weapons there.
No.523994
>>523986lOL tAkE dRuGs
U r InSaNe
I aLlReAdY tOoK tHiS iNtO cOnSiDeRaTiOn
Pseud anglos, all of them
No.523996
>>523994Just take your meds lol
No.523997
>>523982to be fair from what I'm seeing and reading I dont think they can tell each other apart either.
No.523998
>>523901Russia lost around this many after 2 years of an actual hellish war in Cechenya.
No.523999
Just now: Reports of a “powerful” explosion in Donetsk, no more details yet. Send your dialectical energy to our Texan friend.
No.524000
>>523982The AA vehicle running over a car is a good example, was it Russian, was it Ukrainian?
No.524001
>>523938I think he wants a neutral buffer territory NATO cannot use for deploying troops & tanks a coupled hundred kilometers away from Moscow in order to prepare for a conventional attack war.
The prospect of Ukraine becoming a NATO member is like a knife on Russia's throat in terms of security, regardless of whether a neo tsarist reactionary nationalist or communists run the government there.
I hope the Ukrainians get rid of their retarded pro burger puppet government and adopt a true neutral position in geopolitics like Finland, Switzerland etc. Then they could actually take advantage of their geographic position.
No.524004
This ghost of kyiv hashtag is the saddest thing I've seen all day
Like the cringey memes by the public and comments legit feel NPC generated
Misinformation spreads hard and this legit gave me experience on how fucking annoying twitter under Wii3 would be like
I hope it never happens just for that
No.524005
>>523994Hey it's the pseud guy!
Is nato in the room with us right now?
No.524006
CNN saying Zelensky is asking to negotiate
No.524007
>>524004I literally don't browse any social media right now. I've been only on leftypol for the past few days. The rest I get from news outlets and magazines. Less schizophrenic that way
No.524008
>>523942Based anon
I too hope Sweden pays for poopdyepie
No.524009
>>524004Oh, poor summer child, have you not realized yet that 99% of what you believe in is ghost of kyiv kind of psyop?
No.524010
>>523993>The biggest thing I blame NATO with is rejecting the conversation about neutral status for Ukraine.For sure, I genuinely don't know how somebody can delude themselves into thinking that Russia asking for NATO to not admit Ukraine is somehow a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. As if "Ukrainian sovereignty" means they get whatever they want from the rest of the world without any consideration of the security concerns of their neighbours.
No.524011
>>524004It such a sick name, and also very appropriate given the actual state of the Ukrainian Air Force.
No.524012
I'm reading news from half an hour ago that China hasn't supported US sanctions against Russia. What was that bit about the two banks sanctioning Russia? Was that an independent decision, are those the banks that mainly work with western countries?
No.524013
>>524000It did not have Russian markings. Some say it was a captured Ukrainian vehicle driven by Russian saboteurs, others suggest it was friendly fire. Still unclear.
No.524018
>>524004It's amazing that social media has to be more real than reality
>>524010Yeah, someone said "Ukraine doesn't have anymore 'right' to join NATO than I have the right be on the Council of Foreign Relations."
No.524019
>>523987How can you be so autistic as to want to know why a letter is painted on a tank? That shit is hella spergy and obsessively autistic.
No.524020
>>523960Lmao
We need to bait somebody to actually do this
No.524021
>>524012China cannot avoid US dollar sanctions. Just is impossible. They will want to do any transactions with Russia in a different currency.
No.524022
>>524004Yeah, it's literally lib fantasies made up likely by some western journalist who played too much Ace Combat.
No.524023
>>524005There's like 5 distinct anons calling Sabocat a pseud all over leftypol threads for monthsnow, fyi
No.524024
>>523947>Andriy Biletsky, the gang’s leader who became Azov’s commander, once wrote that Ukraine’s mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” Biletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament.<we must stop DA JEWS<time to die for our great jewish leader! arrest those who disagree!Why are Nazis like this
No.524025
>>523976we need to send putin sissy hypno videos bros
Anybody know his email?
No.524026
>>524016
So brave
No.524027
>>524019Cause it's extremely noticable in all the pictures. The tanks and trucks all have giant Z's painted on them. Then the helis have giant V's.
No.524029
>>524001oh yes I agree but whether its just the eastern oblasts, the part to the dnjepr or including odessa or whether he wants to get back to pre-NATO-coup
as far I know he isnt letting us knowing yet. I agree with your why and I get how it came to here. I just wonder how it will end but I guess that will depend on how quickly Ukraine is giving up - realistically
No.524030
>>523991>The russian propagandists and dumb tankies didn't help either by refusing to see war as a possibility because hey what international relations and history have to do with anything anyway, only nato can be evil!This directly contradicts with what you said earlier in your post.
No.524032
>>523976Putina can get it btw
Someone needs to faceapp that shirtless boobie Putin edit
No.524033
>>524028Why do fail to quote the accurate post 50% of the time?
>>524003 No.524035
>>524018>Yeah, someone said "Ukraine doesn't have anymore 'right' to join NATO than I have the right be on the Council of Foreign Relations."It was from this article which is really good:
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously/ No.524037
>>524017Kadyrov deserves to be hung upside from a hook, who cares
No.524038
>>524012They’re basically saying they won’t give them U.S. dollar-based credit lines. Probably because it would mean they would become subject to U.S. sanctions themselves, but that is entirely speculative on my part. Letters of credit based on Yuan are still available.
No.524039
Comparison to Saddam and Kuwait is making the rounds and it's pretty appropriate. Left "anti-imperialism" was completely gutted by this action as well, and there were only murmurs of resistance to the First Gulf War.
No.524040
>>524004Social media is helped funded by people like the Heritage Foundation or other interest groups/blocs who spread disinformation for politics gains. Kind of like the libertarian think tanks in Latin America are literally paid to spread American propaganda as well as fascist right wing dictatorship propaganda. Those types of groups were the ones buying up bots and shit to spread the Cuba hashtags during the Cuban protests last year.
No.524041
>>523987It's for Zikrane
The secret third legendary state that will be revealed in the sequel invasion
No.524042
>>524031>all these anons are the same ppl>take bourgeois mandated medsI think you might suffer from cognitive dissonance
No.524043
>>524037he does make the sardaukar appearance really cinematic tho
No.524044
after russia wins, then what?
No.524045
>>524030The people who decide to do the diplomacy are influenced by their population. If people are brainwashed in saying "war is inevitable" or "war will never happen" the conclusion for people doing the decision is to not do any diplomacy at all. This is my point, although the first kind of propaganda absolutely prevailed in the most important player, that is the US.
No.524047
>>524028Take your time, I make the same mistakes as well. Sometimes I forget to respond to a post entirely.
No.524048
>CNN: 'it's david vs. goliath'
>also CNN: Ukraine is gonna win!
No.524051
>>524048i mean david did win
No.524056
>>524044Can't answer the specifics but there's no way it'll limit itself to sanctions. Obviously it'll be bad. This is an Iraq Invasion tier mistake that will have direct ramifications for 20+ years.
No.524057
I can tell the americans are online now
Wish me luck that my electricity comes back and I don't burn my house down with this candle as I go to sleep
No.524058
>>524055its a fairytale to tell your children, comrade
No.524060
>>524049>this is your zoomers broWe’re fucked, were all gonna die in WW3 while zoomers are memeing about their deaths.
No.524062
>>524049This is just sad.
No.524063
>>524038That makes sense to me, was thinking somewhere along those lines too.
No.524064
>>524048Funny them throwing David and Goliath when they’re the Goliath. They’ll always deny Vietnam was David because they always see America as underdogs.
No.524066
>>524049>>524060In epic Marvel style too don't forget
>Ukraine has fallen<Patrick reaction image: is giving broke energy sksksksks periodt No.524067
>>524065those zoomers are the real threat to both left and right, they shall inherit the earth
No.524068
Z comes for Zelensky
It is obvious bros
No.524069
>>524048Pretty shocking all around for theses guys though. This is the first time, even, in their entire lives, where a war has started and "US intervention" is nothing something that is even on the table.
No.524070
>>524065i thought that post was a chanfag trolling?
No.524071
>>524060zoomers will be sent to war where they won't have computers and smartphones so the only memes left will be minion and antivax facebook from housewives and boomers
No.524073
>>524019Bizarre gatekeeping.
>>524045Most people not drinking MSM kool aid didn't expect the invasion, including tankies. The rational conclusion was a diplomatic yield by US. Those same people didn't want war. Nobody wanted invasion. I don't get your point tbh. It directly contradicts the rest of your post.
>>524048…
How long until they start comparing it to the battle of Gondor. Biden the Gray does a heckin saverino at the break of dawn and kills the orkish ruskies, saving the Gondorians. The elves in this case are ISIS fighting with Ukrainians.
No.524074
>>524069yeah the cope was unreal yesterday, seems to have settled down a bit now
No.524075
>>524029The war is still going on, in military terms the goal for RUAF must be of course taking control over the entire Ukrainian territory to secure a comfortable position in negotiations. I doubt that he actually wants to annex a lot though, because that would turn out very costly.
No.524076
>>523955
Funny how Americans will excuse shooting absolutely anyone anywhere until it's not them doing it.
No.524077
>>524071And when boomers dies, we'll be finally free from memes.
No.524078
>>523987There was some in previous thread. Z for northern military district, V for eastern and then also a triangle and a slash for two others.
No.524079
>>524054If Russia takes control of Ukraine, USA will start couping Poland over and over for the control of pipelines. Biden's son will try to enter the board of directors of Poland's transit company, as well as other democrats' relatives.
No.524080
>>523951
>More Ukrop Volkssturm friendly fire
Many such cases…
No.524081
>>524076What i find very sad is how every single time imperial core leftists end up supporting the imperial core in any conflict. How do they do it, comrades? How do they have 0 self awareness and a collective amnesia?
No.524082
>>523992They probably just used Z, V and O because they're letters that can't be mistaken for each other
No.524083
>>524075I dont think he will need more than the 2 biggest cities and maybe the coast but getting to the westernmost parts would be painful. Theres reason why most embassies moved to Lvov. I dont think you must be wrong but it occupying everything - well I am no war expert as such but that sounds painful af
No.524084
>>524082very legit point. Thx!
No.524085
what should i eat for lunch: indian food, vietnamese (banh mi), or jersey mike sub
keep in mind that I plan on getting thai food at night
No.524088
>>523793Can someone tell me what the situation's like now? liveua's been down for me and I'm hearing too much contradictory news.
No.524090
reminder that the Right Sector is in the HIZZOUSE!
No.524091
>>524036Myth about a Ukrainian fighter jet shooting down multiple Russian jets. In reality most Ukrainian jets were blown up on the ground, one defected, another was shot down by Uke AA.
No.524092
>>524085the american has logged on
No.524094
>>524083Yeah, it really makes you ponder what the long term plan is. How feasible would it even be to take and hold all of Ukraine?
All of this could just be idiocy, buy maybe he's taking Kiev for extra leverage in peace negotiations? Maybe he really just wants all of Donbass and Lukhansk (which he realistically might hold) and taking the larger cities is a way to ensure that he has leverage to negotiate?
No.524095
>>524087the polarity multiplies
No.524096
>>524093azov battalion is ukranian you retard
No.524097
>>524091100% of air losses by friendly fire
No.524100
>>524094I cant tell you. I think thats also quite in the stars, nobody rly knows how crazy the populatiomn will be and whether Zelensky gets couped before or dies or 100 other options.
I think ceasefire will come in 1-2 days but thats just completely out of the blue. Putin isnt sayint "under no circumstances" anymore to peace talks so that sounds like softening up
No.524102
>>524085Indian food, ez question.
>>524089Good job, thanks.
>>524087Did Putin just fucking dismantle the petro dollar with this one weird trick?????
No.524103
>>524087<Officials are concerned vital supplies of fertilizer from Russia could be disrupted as sanctions intensify, threatening India's vast farm sector Russia is the world's biggest supplier of fertilizer, isn't it? Are westoids really trying to not just freeze their own, but also starve them?
No.524105
>>524081The agent attempting to cleave.
No.524106
>>524054The proofs archipelago
No.524108
>>524104
Haven't you heard, eating bugs gives you social status
No.524109
>>524107That's not Ukraine tho.
No.524111
>>524107Is it even snowing anywhere in Ukrane right now?
No.524112
>>524109Where it's from then?
No.524113
>>524103the West needs fertilizer but not as much as the third world. The West will see rising food prices, the global south will see starvation. Of course westoids are ok with that
No.524114
>>524110This is why the West want portrays Ukrainians doing volksturn, staying there and killing eachother, to reduce the amount of migrants
No.524115
>>524104
cannibalism isn't optimal but you gotta do what you gotta do I guess
No.524116
>>524110Pretty sure Poland and some other nazi nation are already heightening their border measures
No.524117
>>524098Why do Indians say sir a lot? Such a peculiar trait. We also use Sir here for talking to authorities but we don't use it when speaking English.
No.524118
>>524054>to NarvaBut Estonia is part of Nato
No.524119
>>524112Not Ukraine cause it's neither snowing and neither it has snow on it as of right now.
No.524120
>>523793They're not browns so they'll be fine.
No.524121
>>524120at this point the software is fucking with me i swear
>>524110 No.524122
>>524071In honestly don’t think zoomers can survive without computers and a smart phone.
No.524123
>Western media now reporting Ghost of Kiev footage from Ace Combat
and the last shred of cope for ukrops falls
No.524124
>>524081>Random guy in America gets shot to pieces on his couchAmericans: Well he had a gun on the table!
<Car driving through an active combat zone with reinforcements pouring in gets shot atAmericans: THESE ASIATIC MONGRELS HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!!
No.524125
>>524085Vietnamese obviously. Support our comrades!
No.524126
>>524123>TFW we've entered such an age that it is possible to fake war footage using fucking videogames.lmao.
No.524128
>>523965>I was referring to when I said that NATO is responsible for creating the tensions in the first place. Maybe it wasn't reckless or careless behavior, maybe it was malice and their goal was to create this war, to drive a wedge between Russian and European economic cooperation, to make two former soviet countries fight each other, to make Putin look bad, to make Russia expend resources, to create a happening that distracts from politics at home, to justify future military spending and make Russia a boogieman for keeping NATO around.
Maybe their play was that they just sacrificed Ukraine, and their ultimate goal would be to make Ukraine a chaotic permanent battle ground as a barrier made from civil war. They did that in the middle east with Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria,… to create a strip of battlezones that separated Europe from central Asia.
No.524129
It seems like Ukrop managed to pull back tanks and vehicles to Kiev. Under the dark of night, they drive in civilian traffic
No.524130
>>524087It's time for the petrorupee my good sirs
No.524132
why the fuck do ukrainians keep driving through active warzones
No.524133
>>524087Kay we definitely are in a multipolar world now. The only unipolarity at this point is US/Wall Street finance but even that will be relegated to only the US and Western Europe.
No.524135
What's happened over the last 7.5 hours? The last I knew, Zelensky took shelter in the cuckbunker.
No.524137
>>524132only way out of the country
No.524138
>>524128I have strong, strong doubts that the US intended this war to happen. It is hugely disruptive to their new "Indo-Pacific" strategy and their "all of society" effort to contain China.
No.524139
>>524134didn't mean to quote, my bad
No.524140
>>524132They're trying to escape.
in one of the videos, it is seen that they're driving towards Odessa, so we can make the assumption that they're fleeing.
Which also makes it funny, cause the military trucks and equipment were
fleeing as well.
No.524141
>>524131It's not like muh vidya games
No.524142
>>524131Fuckinf zoom zooms
No.524143
>>524128>Maybe it wasn't reckless or careless behavior, maybe it was malice Of course it was malice, NATO is an inherently malicious institution. Where did I imply otherwise?
>their goal was to create this war,A brilliant 4D chess strategy which could have been easily thwarted if Putin hadn't invaded lol.
No.524144
>>524036Russians gained relative air superiority fairly quickly. Supposedly there was an ace Ukrainian pilot who avoided being shot down, and was shooting Russians down left and right and disappearing and reappearing from the night sky. “the Ghost of Kiyv” began trending on social media. I’ve seen everything from video of now-confirmed Ukrainian airplanes crashing to low-resolution footage of drones being shot down claimed as the work of “the Ghost”. Most likely it is propaganda, would not surprise me if it was astroturfed. It wouldn’t be the first time imaginary fighter aces are used to boost morale. The reality seems to be that the Ukrainian air force is mostly depleted. I say mostly because I did see some video of what appeared to be one low-flying (avoiding radar?) Ukrainian helicopter landing troops during fighting in Nikolaev some hours ago.
There is an astonishing amount of misinformation being pushed around, big information war. For example RFE (which we know to be a U.S. propaganda organ) posted inverted footage from Syria showing airstrikes on tanks, claiming it is Russian losses from today. Another example, an airplane or a missile was shot down over Kiev last night and debris hit the facade of an apartment building, CNN is using pictures of this to imply Russia is intentionally targeting civilians.
No.524146
>>524049Reminder that there are literal fedbots in Reddit.
No.524148
>>524131tbf millenials when we were younger would be no different MW2 came out in 2007.
No.524149
>>524084>>524083>>524075how many germanons are ITT?
No.524150
>>524131This is one way US commanders are so good at selling war to the public. They need a gigantic "shock and awe" campaign where bombs blow up over Kyiv pointless for a few days, get the people into the mood.
No.524151
>>524147I hope she gets swatted.
No.524155
>>524152I want to pump that retarded sow full of my seed.
No.524156
>>524131Let's not act like this isn't what most leftypolers think, with the obsession with happenings, maps, war videos and what not
No.524160
>>524147She should be giving that away to Ukraine for free >:(
No.524161
>>524148Nah, we were edgy but never this stupid in our edginess. We would make edgy death and murder jokes but never make comparing it to vidyas.
No.524162
>>524156Lol no one here expects BF4 or COD to be an accurate representation of war though
No.524164
>>524101
Would you say the land shown in the clip is getting pretty cheap right now? Still thinking about our idea of the leftypol commmune…
No.524166
>>524134>if you are not supporting russia, you are in turn supporting ukronazis and western imperialistsYes. Russia actually didn't shell civilians, didn't cut off internet and cell towers like US does in the first hours of their wars, Russia didn't bomb any civilians (by design) yet, etc etc. Russian "imperialism" is better than American one judging just from the way they conduct war alone. Russia didn't put minefields on the beaches of Odessa while civilians with children walk around, Russia didn't friendly fire their own and claim that it was ukrainians, Russia immediately started providing help to civilians, while Ukrainian side urges them to throw molotovs out of windows and spreads guns to anyone who wills to use it.
No.524168
>>524131>>524156Lmao guy is a genZedong poster
No.524169
>>524157>ukraine isn't a nazi governmentstopped reading there
I will repost this for education purposes:
From a reddit post in /r/askarussian:
>Well, unfortunately it is true and well documented and not by Vlad but by Human Rights Watch, The Simon W. Center etc.
>Despite what Western media is NOT telling you, Ukraine has a very serious Nazi problem and not just a few extremists as exist in every country, they have a GOVERNMENT policy of embracing them:
>In 2015, the Ukrainian parliament passed legislation making two WWII paramilitaries—the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)—heroes of Ukraine, and made it a criminal offense to deny their heroism. The OUN had collaborated with the Nazis and participated in the Holocaust, while the UPA slaughtered thousands of Jews and 70,000-100,000 Poles on their own volition.
>The government-funded Ukrainian Institute of National Memory is institutionalizing the whitewashing of Nazi collaborators. Last summer, the Ukrainian parliament featured an exhibit commemorating the OUN’s 1941 proclamation of cooperation with the Third Reich (imagine the French government installing an exhibit celebrating the Vichy state!).
>Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces. The Azov Battalion was initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine. Andriy Biletsky, the gang’s leader who became Azov’s commander, once wrote that Ukraine’s mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” Biletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament.
>Last year, the Israeli government’s annual report on anti-Semitism heavily featured Ukraine, which had more incidents than all post-Soviet states combined. The World Jewish Congress, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, and 57 members of the US Congress all vociferously condemned Kiev’s Nazi glorification and the concomitant anti-Semitism.
>Ukrainian Jewish leaders are also speaking out. In 2017, the director of one of Ukraine’s largest Jewish organizations published a New York Times op-ed urging the West to address Kiev’s whitewashing. Last year, 41 Ukrainian Jewish leaders denounced the growth of anti-Semitism. That’s especially telling, given that many Ukrainian Jewish leaders supported the Maidan uprising.
>https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/ No.524171
>>524149well, two of those were me :P
No.524172
fuck sake bros. The Russians need to raze Kiev before the NATO weaponry arrives
No.524173
>>524152Damn, Megan loss weigh?
No.524174
>>524163Why does nobody color Lutsk (in the West) ever? There were fights there.
No.524177
>>524174>Why does nobody color Lutsk (in the West) ever? There were fights there.There weren't
What there were were maybe some missiles dropping down and that's about it.
No.524180
>>524162this
leftypol is way more sophisticated and expect hearts of iron or eu4 instead
No.524181
>>524152>the Ukrainian revolutionthe wut?
No.524182
>>523883
NOOOOOO THE BIGGIE MACOOO NOOO WHAT A DISASTER STAHP IEEEET
No.524186
>>524087In exchange for baby jurls to show bob and kiss.
No.524187
>>523883
This kind of idiotic, simplistic thinking is why even /pol/ hates these people as much as we do.
No.524189
>>524185
>Geography 101
>Uses the wrong flag of Belarus
rally makes you think
No.524190
>>524147PUTLER IN SHAMBLES>>524166Very true. Also I almost thought you were being sarcastic lol. Irony poisoning is hard to get out of the system. :(
No.524191
>>524152Meghan McCain more like Meghan can McLick my cane.
No.524192
>>524016
>Child soldiers
Fucking wew
No.524193
>>524189holy shit, "ukraine isn't full of nazis" lmao
No.524194
>>524185
This kind of soyfaced "muh geography xD" liberal thinking almost makes me want to support Russia.
I fucking hate this particular kind of memey, kinda ironic westernized propaganda.
No.524195
imagine shitposting on leftypol when a Ukrainian soldier breaks your door in and tells you to fight for ukraine. what do?
No.524196
>>524194all those ugly borders - as a game I have to step in
No.524200
>>524016
>Primejailbait.com
No.524202
>>524184Yes bro, this conflict is in no way an inter-imperialist one. The Ukranian elite definitely did not try breaking away from Russian influence in 2014 and orient itself towards the West ever since. Russia is not currently trying to destroy the Western alignment of Ukranian oligrachs and reintegrating it back into the control of Russian capitalists, right?
No.524203
Zelensky started calling foreign volunteers to conscript. "Just come to any border post, we will arm you!" Will not backfire in any way, shape or form
No.524204
>>524159>>524191Before you disrespect the legacy of John McCain, please read the Wikipedia article about him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bony-eared_assfish No.524205
>>524200i heard about that site back in middle school. how did that shit last for so long?
No.524207
>>524199What does Z mean? Zelensky battalion?
No.524209
>>524054>lil chickyCold War never looked so…cute
No.524212
>>524152safe to say that street won't be named after John McCain for much longer
>>524079Didn't even think of that. eastern Europe bout to be couped by pro-NATO glowies along with half the global south
No.524213
>>524207Russian symbol for eastern military district
No.524215
>>524198based, just replace Russia with Soviet Union
No.524216
>>783839
> There is a reason why a lot of Russian communist and socialist organizations as well as a sizeable faction of the KRPF are against the war, now go and find out why.
This reason kinda glows
No.524217
>>524201virgin CIA cancer-gun vs. CHAD RUSSIAN AGING CANNON
No.524218
>>524216Lenin glowed as well tho.
I mean, Germany letting a known enemy of the russian empire through? That's kinda glowy.
No.524219
>>524185
>Ukr telling Rus warships to fuck off [after they told them that they will be killed if not stopping] is brave AF
<they get killed
'ok'
>Pola to ban Rus planes
'ok'
>Russia anticipates """MASSIVE""" medical emergency
<what is "war"?
HURR, but also, DURR
No.524221
>>524079They only need to to coup it once, the opposition to the current "sovereignist" gov will cuck to anyone as long as the current gov is gone.
No.524222
So what do we got? Russia got btfo or Cuckraine end?
No.524225
>>524211Didn’t even Chomsky say NATO fucked up?
I saw a vid somewhere but cant find it
No.524226
>>524220this is the first time i've seen the actual face behind this particular soyface, ty anon
No.524228
>>524016
The reason why Agent Kochinski supports Ukraine.
No.524229
>>524195Tell him I'm a Putin bot, he will surrender on the spot.
No.524230
>>524049Pop culture was a mistake.
No.524231
>>524202>this conflict is in no way an inter-imperialist oneit literally isn't, lmao:
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/hm2-the-economics-of-modern-imperialism/Russia, as it is empirically provable, is not an imperialist nation, going by Lenin's definition.
No.524233
>>524211I wish "cope" wasn't quickly becoming a cringe meme because it's a great way to describe exactly what it is. Deliberation divergence between events and the story you are telling to yourself about what is happening, and choosing to believe the story is more important and more real.
No.524235
>>524219> is brave AFI hope Russian report of them surrendering is true (remember that Russia is the state engaging in disinformation campaign the most). Poor guys didn't stand a chance.
No.524236
>>783839
>The nazi stuff is completely overblown
Not really. You should study history before 2014.
No.524237
>>524207Zelensky comedy troupe
No.524238
>>523976Weirdest fap I've ever had, fuck you.
No.524239
>>524232Not really, Le Penn is a right wing isolationist, definitely not what Putin is.
No.524241
>>524238Gotta make it weirder for you since Putin is 70 years old.
No.524242
>>524234Nobody on the left disagrees with that tho. I guess maybe Voosh would.
No.524245
>>524211I'm so looking forward to glowies awarding "bay of pigs successful invasion"-style medals to themselves in regards to Ukraine.
No.524246
>>524016
M TO THE OAR
No.524247
>>524210THE POWER OF POST-LEFT """ANARCHISTS"""literally supposed anarchos fighting for NATO & Nazis
my fucking sides
you westerners are a
FUCKING JOKE No.524249
>>524233No other choice. Look at one of Biden's recent statements:
"America stands up to bullies. We stand up for freedom.
That’s who we are."
Is that really what you are doing? Standing up? Because it seems to me from over here that you are just standing by, and watching this happen.
No.524250
>>524218>Lenin glowed as well tho.ban
No.524251
>>524247Most Ukrainian anarchists supported Maidan, what did you expect?
No.524252
>>524247Anarchist to fascist pipeline, huh. All it took was for someone to challenge Western hegemony anywhere
No.524254
>>524004No.
The saddest thing is that retard weeb twitter account that said "It doesn't matter if its fake, better a fake hero than no real hero".
Also some fag said that /pol/ created the ruse, is that true?
No.524256
>>524200>>783878>>524246Fucking degenerates
No.524257
>>524248
Putin doesn't give a fuck about sanctions, literally every country on earth could sanction him and he wouldn't care.
That's some massive balls if you ask me, respect.
No.524258
>>524246Lol
>>524247Is this ex YPG guy an anarchist?
https://nitter.net/cossackgundi>>524248JUST DEDOLLARIZE MY SHIT UP FAM No.524260
>>524247I guess the criss cross politics compass thing is true. Anarchos need an auth right daddy, and libertarian right needs auth left daddy.
No.524261
>>524259nah thx. Now if Russia would ask..
No.524262
>>524016
Child prostitution after Western shock therapy in the 90s.
20 years lates child soldiers after Western nuclear expansion.
We will fight to the last ukranian child.
No.524264
Chernobyl won't last long.
No.524266
>>524230The culture industry was a necessary consequence of capitalist development as the economic base started carving out its own supercultural part. It wasn't a "mistake" as you say; it was unavoidable. It has, however, tragic consequences for humanity; humanity under globalized capitalism.
Read a book.
No.524267
Gonna have my 10 hour sleep now. What are the chances Kiev's gone by the time I'm awake?
No.524268
>>524267Kiev will fall tomorrow
No.524269
>>524265based I was thinking it was meme worthy in the last couple videos
No.524271
>*CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY ISSUES STATEMENT ON UKRAINE CRISIS
*CHINA SAYS UKRAINE'S TERRITORY, SOVEREIGNTY SHOULD BE RESPECTED
*CHINA URGES TALKS BETWEEN RUSSIA, UKRAINE AS SOON AS FEASIBLE
*CHINA CALLS FOR DIPLOMATIC RESOLUTION TO UKRAINE CRISIS
What now Dengist bros?
No.524273
>>524249You don't get it, they put their progressive words into the cannons and firmly shoot them at the primitive slav.
No.524276
>>524261There are already a lot of volunteers fighting against Ukrainian fascism. Rusich Task Force, Chetnik brigades, Russian National Unity to name a few.
No.524277
>>524260Doesn't really map when most Ukrainian anarchists notably didn't join or support in these armed rebellions.
No.524278
Whats up niqqaz? Just got up, did the president of Ewkraine give up yet?
No.524279
>>524268I need the Maidan square live stream to stay up
No.524280
>>524278NATO is intervening
No.524282
>>524279weren't they just playing on loop earlier ?
No.524283
>>524251true. this is what anarcho brain (=booklet) does to a mf
>>524252>Anarchist to fascist pipelinepicrel
>>524270"LIBERTARIAN" IN THIS CONTEXT LITERALLY MEANS THAT AN ANARCHO DOESN'T HAVE TO BECOME AN "AUTHORITARIAN" THANKS TO NOT CHALLENGING THE WORLD CAPITALIST ORDER (NATO).thx, anarchos
you are useful idiots, as always
No.524286
The proletariat of the oppressing nations cannot confine itself to the general hackneyed phrases against annexations and for the equal rights of nations in general, that may be repeated by any pacifist bourgeois. The proletariat cannot evade the question that is particularly “unpleasant” for the imperialist bourgeoisie, namely, the question of the frontiers of a state that is based on national oppression. The proletariat cannot but fight against the forcible retention of the oppressed nations within the boundaries of a given state, and this is exactly what the struggle for the right of self-determination means.
The proletariat must demand the right of political secession for the colonies and for the nations that “its own” nation oppresses. Unless it does this, proletarian internationalism will remain a meaningless phrase; mutual confidence and class solidarity between the workers of the oppressing and oppressed nations will be impossible; the hypocrisy of the reformist and Kochinskiite advocates of self-determination who maintain silence about the nations which are oppressed by “their” nation and forcibly retained within “their” state will remain unexposed.
No.524288
https://www-fmprc-gov-cn.translate.goog/wjbzhd/202202/t20220226_10645790.shtml?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
>China "firmly advocates respecting and safeguarding the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries… and it applies equally to Ukraine," states Foreign Minister Wang Yi.Statement today
No.524293
>>524138>I have strong, strong doubts that the US intended this war to happen. If they didn't intend this, why did they do all those provocations like sending weapons to ukraine, and talking about making Ukrain a Nato member, ignoring any of Russia attempts to have Russian security concerns recognized in diplomacy.
>It is hugely disruptive to their new "Indo-Pacific" strategy and their "all of society" effort to contain China.How ?
>>524143>Of course it was malice, NATO is an inherently malicious institution. alright
>A brilliant 4D chess strategy which could have been easily thwarted if Putin hadn't invaded lol.No that's not correct framing, The US invaded Ukraine 8 years ago when they overthrew the Ukrainian government and that started a proxy war in Ukraine with Russia, this proxy war recently increased in intensity when the US ignored Russian security concerns and that lead to a breakdown of diplomacy.
No.524294
Foreign Affairs Big Mac I>By Thomas L. Friedman Dec. 8, 1996
>So I’ve had this thesis for a long time and came here to Hamburger University at McDonald’s headquarters to finally test it out. The thesis is this: No two countries that both have a McDonald’s have ever fought a war against each other.
>The McDonald’s folks confirmed it for me. I feared the exception would be the Falklands war, but Argentina didn’t get its first McDonald’s until 1986, four years after that war with Britain. Civil wars don’t count: McDonald’s in Moscow delivered burgers to both sides in the fight between pro-and anti-Yeltsin forces in 1993.
>Since Israel now has a kosher McDonald’s, since Saudi Arabia’s McDonald’s closes five times a day for Muslim prayer, since Egypt has 18 McDonald’s and Jordan is getting its first, the chances of a war between them are minimal. But watch out for that Syrian front. There are no Big Macs served in Damascus. India-Pakistan? I’m still worried. India, where 40 percent of the population is vegetarian, just opened the first beefless McDonald’s (vegetable nuggets!), but Pakistan is still a Mac-free zone.
>Obviously, I say all this tongue in cheek. But there was enough of a correlation for me to ask James Cantalupo, president of McDonald’s International and its de facto Secretary of State, what might be behind this Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention – which stipulates that when a country reaches a certain level of economic development, when it has a middle class big enough to support a McDonald’s, it becomes a McDonald’s country, and people in McDonald’s countries don’t like to fight wars; they like to wait in line for burgers. Or as Mr. Cantalupo puts it: ‘‘We focus our development on the more well-developed economies – those that are growing and those that are large – and the risks involved in being adventuresome $(for those growing economies$) are probably getting too great.’’
>In the 1950’s and 60’s developing countries thought that having an aluminum factory and a U.N. seat was what made them real countries, but today many countries think they will have arrived only if they have their own McDonald’s and Windows 95 in their own language. This year McDonald’s went into its 100th country and for the first time it earned more revenue from McDonald’s overseas than from McDonald’s America.
>Said Mr. Cantalupo: ‘‘I feel these countries want McDonald’s as a symbol of something – an economic maturity and that they are open to foreign investments. I don’t think there is a country out there we haven’t gotten inquiries from. I have a parade of ambassadors and trade representatives in here regularly to tell us about their country and why McDonald’s would be good for the country.’’
>The question raised by the McDonald’s example is whether there is a tip-over point at which a country, by integrating with the global economy, opening itself up to foreign investment and empowering its consumers, permanently restricts its capacity for troublemaking and promotes gradual democratization and widening peace. Francis Fukuyama, author of the classic work ‘‘The End of History,’’ argued to me that a country’s getting its own McDonald’s was probably not a good indicator of that tip-over point, because the level of per capita income needed in a country to host a McDonald’s is too low. ‘‘I would not be surprised if in the next 10 years several of these McDonald’s countries go to war with each other,’’ he said.
>Yes, there will be conflicts, but more inside countries than between them. No question, the spread of McDonald’s (a new one opens every three hours) is part of this worldwide phenomenon of countries integrating with the global economy and submitting to its rules, but this is not a smooth linear process. It produces a backlash inside countries from those who do not benefit from this globalization, who feel that their traditional culture will be steamrolled by it and who fear that they won’t eat the Big Mac, the Big Mac will eat them.
>How well governments and global companies manage these frustrations will be the real determinant of whether economic development will lead to wider democratization and wider peace. Here again McDonald’s is an intriguing pioneer. When the riots broke out in Los Angeles one of the few commercial buildings not trashed was McDonald’s. Wednesday’s column will explore why.https://archive.md/ferS1 No.524295
we're at a point where tanks are hyper fucking vulnerable even if you have air superiority against an opponent with enough ATGMs. this is good news for the masses, as advancements in technology that favor the cheap over expensive always prove to be equalizers.
No.524296
>>524288China is NATO now.
No.524297
Western analysts seems convinced that 1) Russia will win and 2) Russia will bisect the country Nazi Germany style, with Kyiv and everything east of it coming under Russian control.
No.524298
>>524296If it is the forbes article, seems desinfo. No Chinese media has reported that.
No.524299
>>524297Which "western analysts" are you talking about?
No.524300
>>524288And Russian stance now is that Ukraine is under foreign control, and Russia is liberating Ukraine from Nazis and Americans. Also, Russia already vowed not to occupy Ukraine.
No.524301
>>524299Every fucking redditor and their handlers
No.524302
>>524287Bit busy with other things, what's Putin saying?
No.524303
>>524247>No sauce>Has christcuck in the namePost discarded
No.524304
>>524294>people in McDonald’s countries don’t like to fight wars; they like to wait in line for burgers.This is the saddest shit I've ever read, neoliberalism is way worse than any wars.
No.524306
>>524285Vidya I have reinstalled after all this shit broke out:
>Command and Conquer 3 Kane's Wrath>Arma Cold War Assault>Jane's Fleet Command>Stalker Call of Pripyat>CnC Generals Zero Hour No.524308
>>524306arma cwa is so fucking good with conquer the island mods
No.524309
>>524306>CnC Generals Zero HourBased
No.524310
>>524306where is bloodcast, slave?
No.524312
WTF HAPPENDED??????? I HAVE BEEN GONE FOR 3 DAYS WTF HAPPENED????????????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT KIND OF FUCKING BURGER IS THIS WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED??????????
No.524313
>>524280>>524292>>524289>BRUSSELS — NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Friday that U.S. President Joe Biden and his counterparts have agreed to send parts of the organization’s response force to help protect allies in the east over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
>Speaking after chairing a NATO meeting, Stoltenberg said the leaders decided to send parts of the NATO Response Force and elements of a quickly deployed spearhead unit. He did not say how many troops would be deployed, but confirmed that the move would involve land, sea and air power.
>The NRF can number up to 40,000 troops, but Stoltenberg said that NATO would not be deploying the entire force. Parts of a force known in NATO jargon as the Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF), which is currently led by France, will also be sent.
>In another development Friday, the Cabinet of Italy’s Premier Mario Draghi formally approved previously announced participation by 250 Italian military forces and 139 land vehicles in NATO’s enhanced Forward Presence in Latvia, as well as air policing by some 12 aircraft currently deployed in Romania and patrols by an intelligence-gathering aircraft and a refueling aircraft as part of NATO’s shoring up of its eastern flank allies in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
>The government also approved deployment of 235 military forces aboard two or three naval vessels, as well as an aircraft as part of surveillance and intelligence-gathering in the eastern Mediterranean and the Black Sea.
>Also getting the government’s formal OK was the mobilization of 1,350 military personnel, involving 77 land vehicles and two naval vessels — with the second one to be deployed in the second half of the year — as well as five aircraft as part of the Very High Readiness Joint Task Force.
>Approval was granted for that force to be increased to as many as 1,970 military personnel. The same Cabinet session also granted authorization to provide at no cost non-lethal military equipment to Ukraine, including protective devices for soldiers and de-mining equipment.
>Elsewhere, Latvia’s foreign minister says the European Union has agreed to freeze the assets of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov along with other sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine.
>The move indicates that Western powers are moving toward unprecedented measures to force Putin to stop the brutal invasion of Russia’s neighbor and from unleashing a major war in Europe.
>Foreign Minister Edgard Rinkevics announced the EU decision Friday in a tweet.
>He said another package of sanctions is to be prepared by the EU.We'll have to wait and see but I don't think NATO is committing much more than a token force so far. Still, the conflict is escalating clearly
No.524314
>>524297Western analysts want common European people to sacrifice themselves and except more impoverishment for the sake of Western imperialism.
No.524318
>>524300Russia is clearly trying to regime change Ukraine and take over it
No.524319
Mods should filter "Ukraine" to "the Ukraine" "Kyiv" to "Kiev" "Lviv" to "Lvov" and "Kharkiv" to "Kharkov"
No.524321
>RUSSIA HAS DESTROYED KYIV'S POWER PLANT PER MAYOR OF KYIV!
No.524322
>>524311This doesn't specify if it's actually an intervention force or just inside NATO nation circlejerk as always
No.524325
so are we going to have to call it Kyiv now instead of Kiev, in the west?
No.524326
Holy fuck is this gonna spiral into WW3?
No.524329
>>524311Ah, but that's to defense, not to offesensive, and inside NATO members.
No.524331
>>524325That's if you
love the anti-christ.
No.524332
>>524061
What even is this a cover of? Somekind of Star Wars fanfic where the Empire invades during WWII?
No.524333
>>524321can you write like a human and not a Guardian columnist? Its Kiev. It was Kiev for as long foreigners mention this city.
How do you say Paris - Pariiiee?
No.524334
>>524319Mods need to filter out your posts
No.524335
>>524333I’m quoting, not my words.
No.524336
>>524319mods should filter ur mom to town bicycle lul
No.524338
>>524333> How do you say Paris - Pariiiee?Yes. Not some "Moscow" but Maskva. Still struggling with Chinese capital.
No.524340
>>524324ok but can you give me a name of somebody whos active and a name in KPRF and actually from the ML faction (plus not stuck in the 50ies?). Out of genuine interest
No.524342
>>524319They should filter "Kyiv" to "Kiev" and "Kiev" to "Kyiv". That would be funnier
No.524343
>>524338I think that does make you look more smug than cool but youre coherent so I respect that.
Still think that comes good in the proletariat factory?
No.524344
>>524315Well posting what the antiwar leftist faction said then:
<Resolution of the roundtable of left forcesMoscow, 24 Feb 2022
>We, members of the KPRF [Communist Party of the Russian Federation], Left Front, Revolutionary Workers' Party, Russian Socialist Movement, Left Socialist Action, citizens of Russia holding leftist and democratic views, in response to the initiation of military operations on the territory of Ukraine, declare the following:
>- we condemn Russian President V. V. Putin's decision on the invasion of Ukraine, insofar as it will lead to the deaths of thousands of people from both sides. The economic condition of the workers of both sides will worsen. The present invasion is solely the gratification of unhealthy foreign policy ambitions of a tight circle of figures at the head of the country, and also a means of distracting attention from the failure of the Russian government's domestic policy;
>- we demand that the Russian leadership immediately cease aggression against our brother Ukrainian people;
>- we call for all Russian citizens adhering to leftist and democratic views to publish on their pages and social sites the demand for the Russian leadership to cease all military aggression against our brother Ukrainian people, to conduct antiwar agitation among our neighbours, our relatives, our colleagues, and other Russian citizens!
>If the current regime is not able to achieve peace, then the path to peace lies in radical change of that regime and of the whole social-political system. No.524345
>>524319As much as I appreciate the trolling, most ukrainians aren’t crazy nationalists and they call those places by the names in their native language
No.524346
>>524323Liberal dennialism.
No.524348
>>524339he's an impotent coward, who cares (besides terminally online burgers)
No.524349
>>524340> a name in KPRF> plus not stuck in the 50ies?That's the problem with modern KPRF. Young non-nationalists are all on a regional level.
No.524351
>>524342This is better imo
No.524352
>>524344while I can agree on principle - its not very well written (or at least translated) and could at least concede the Eastern Republics to make it look like it tries to speak to a broader audience (and I mean srsly they dont deserve the shelling either)
Noble but toothless
No.524354
>>524333Well for some reason some languages sometimes respect original spelling of foreign places and sometimes they don't. Take French for example, Kiev is still spelled Kiev, however Beijing is called Pékin.
No.524355
>>524344I appreciate this very much. Do you have any statements by Ukrainian communists by any chance? I could not find anything.
No.524358
>>524352>Noble but toothlessjust like bolshevik statements before 1917
No.524359
>>524350it's not the first time westoids were brainwashed over night. it happens practically every week.
No.524360
>>524349my so showed me a 30somethingish teacher whos vere good. I mean its goo that you actually have people on the ground and not the other way around - 1 or two famous names but nothing to back them up.
No.524362
>>524360> 30somethingish teacher whos vere good.Are you speaking about Rudoy? He's not from KPRF.
No.524363
>>524328re-establishing USSR like that is
IMPERIALISM No.524364
>>524361>17mb wew lad I thought it said 1.7 when I made it lmao
No.524365
>>524358they were masters of language comrade. Always in for a jab, a joke or a reference to a book that ways in everbodies talk at the time.
No.524366
>>524342It's completely pointless and annoying. I fully endorse it.
No.524368
>>524350I think it is cringe when people try to meme Metal Gear-ish bosses into real life.
No.524370
>>524361>17.33 mbKek, how?
No.524373
>>524365> Always in for a jab, a joke This honestly makes reading Lenin harder for me. He just looks like some smug blogger shitslinging his enemies
No.524374
>>524361>17.33MB>.giflol, how
No.524377
>>524362Вестник Бури
I am still learning Russian so I have to watch him with subtitles rn. You definitely have better agitation content online than all I have seen on European youtube. Is that the one you were talking about?
No.524378
My predictions for this conflict;
>russia successfully takes kiev and eastern ukraine
>guerrillas hold out in the west, but belarus tries their best to put down any resistance in the hopes of gaining territory
>russia questions whether donetsk and luhansk should become part of the russian federation, but putin chooses to help them rebuild ukraine and establish a more legitimate government, the peoples republics combine to form novorossiya to make occupation easier
>rather than occupying all of ukraine, russia takes coastal states and focuses mostly on helping the friendly governments hold onto the territory and put down rebels. Rebels, being forced to fight a coalition of countries attempting to expand their territories, have trouble organizing themselves and engage in petty terrorist acts rather than maintaining strong resistance
>russia threatens finland that the same will happen to them if they threaten to join nato. Finland questions whether it should join for fear of a war, the people and the government differ in opinion, unrest ensues because the government continues to try to undemocratically decide on behalf of the finnish people whether the nation should join nato
>russia, belarus and novorossiya takes control of ukrainian pipelines and rather than relying on nordstream 2, which is cancelled, simply uses ukrainian pipelines to trade with EU countries.
>the US, fearful of russian economic dominance, lobbies very strongly against trade with russia. All attempts are made to institute sanctions, kick russia from SWIFT, and arm/fund ukrainian opposition groups against russia
>putin, dealing with unrest in the ukrainian occupied regions, as well as dissatisfaction with his invasion, faces a growing communist movement. Western sanctions worsen this; communists claim that nationalizing industries and de-dollarizing is necessary to evade sanctions and continue economic growth. The KPRF seeks a non-dollar-reliant national central banking system which is capable of trading with china and immediate neighbors without being forced to rely on the USA's currency or the SWIFT banking system.
>russia becomes the world's biggest hermit kingdom, surpassing north korea in economic and military strength. Due to sanctions and removal from trade organizations and banking systems, russia relies on trade with friendly governments. CSTO expansionism enters full swing. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization grows in strength. Russia, facing unfeiendly behavior by the west and europe, focuses all its might on incentivizing european countries to trade with it, while also focusing heavily on regime change in the middle east, central asia and south asia
<alternative possibility -
>TRANSNISTRIA TAKES OVER ALL OF UKRAINE, ESTABLISHES THE SOVIET UNION 2.0, INVADES TURKEY AND MOLDOVA, AND TAKES OVER ALL OF THE MEDITERRANEAN
No.524379
>>524375k
>>524376If they really want to make a hero of someone, make one out of that Ukrainian soldier that blew up a bridge (Along with him because the explosives had to be manually detonated) to stop a Russian advance, not a fucking fantasy
No.524380
U.S. is sanctioning Putin personally:
>The US is planning to impose sanctions on Russian President Vladimir Putin as soon as Friday, according to two people familiar with the decision.>The Russian leader will become the highest-profile target in the effort to impose costs on the Russian economy and Putin’s inner circle in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Additional Russian officials are likely to be included, one of the people said.https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/politics/us-putin-sanctions/index.htmlI heard Lavrov is targeted also.
No.524381
Any good military analysis out there?
No.524383
>>524376Whats the difference between these retards and fake news gulpers in boomer facebook? None
No.524384
>>524373it does and I mean we cant just copy him and think that will bring 1917 back - but I adore him for his literal style very much. Youre right it makes it more complicated but I find the balance pretty good for Lenin, Marx sometimes goes a bit overboard imho but Marx was also 70 years before that
No.524385
>>524378>russia becomes the world's biggest hermit kingdomCHYNA
No.524386
>>524377Yes, the most famous member of this collective is Andrey Rudoy. As far as I know he was involved in creation of the Marxist club federation because it is too early to form political parties.
No.524387
>>524271Yeah, diplomacy is good mate.
No.524389
>>524378Ukraine will be handed over to Russia-curated military junta which will oversee "transition to democracy". That's what Putin proposed to Ukrainian Military officially. Ukraine will remain united - except for DNR, LNR and Crimea.
No.524390
>>524378Put the trip back so i can filter your autistic shitty maps troon
No.524391
>>524271productive forces
and material conditions too
No.524392
>>524390I filter everyone that uses that fucking flag.
No.524393
>>524386I see. I mean we have no useful party over 1% so having something like the KPRF that is maybe salvageable if enough old fucks die out looks like heaven to me. But it always looks better from the other side.
No.524394
>>524355The Ukraine govt is drafting everyone and has declared martial law, and with the ban on communist orgs, the continuous crack down on leftist radicals and the jingoistic ambiance I don't think we'll see revolutionary defeatist calls yet.
No.524395
>>524298China asking for diplomacy between Russia and Ukraine is NATO? I thought it was NATO that was denying actual talks between both nations.
No.524396
>>524271based, after western idiots competed for the role of a mediator, china will now solve the crisis
No.524397
>>524370>>524374I used this
https://photomosh.comJust be conservative with the filters and tone them down and use Bad TV, Scanlines and RGB shift for the same effect
Unfortunately I think how it inflates so large is that it applies an effect for say 3s or 4s or whatever, but if you have effects for 3s and 4s then it has to make a gif of 12s to make it loop.
No.524399
The USSR's biggest mistake was giving Fakekraine so much autonomy and non-Ukrainian territory to begin with.
No.524400
i would like to thank putin for sacrificing his own economy to boost my st*cks and USD
No.524401
>>524296>>524288from the /prc/ thread
Lays out five points, all pretty neutral
1. Territorial integrity must be respected. China disapproves of annexing Ukrainian territory etc. (Recall that Taiwan is de jure Chinese territory whether you say it de facto is or is not, remember the breakaway republics were de facto Russian.)
2. Russian's complains about NATO expansion were/are legitimate. Military blocs are destabilizing and regional security is not guaranteed by formation of military alliances.
3. Ukraine war is viewed negatively, civilians should be protected etc.
4. Diplomacy should be used to resolve the conflict.
5. UN should not activate troops to intervene under Article VII
In terms of what's NOT in it, there is no reference to economic sanctions on Russia. Meaning China does not want to pursue them and is ignoring calls for them.
No.524404
>>524398why would i waste my time force-laughing at this boring american eceleb?
No.524405
>>524403
so was the beijing biden meme real? lol
nevermind "disclose.tv" must be some right wing rag
No.524406
>>524401I mean if that leads to a neutral Ukraine and the Eastern Republics joining Russia that'd be a good call. Kind of an L for Putin but also possibly quite painless for him
No.524407
>>524393Regional KPRF is doing good if you consider trying to go Kerala for PR a good thing. Municipal/regional deputies are doing their work fairly good while facing opposition from the government (rigged elections being the obvious problem). They are also very cooperative with other opposition forces (other communists, nazbols, even Navalny) unlike the federal talkheads.
No.524408
>>524403
>Cyberattacks can trigger article 5
Jfc you could probably fake one so easily
No.524409
>>524403
I hope NOVIDEO falls.
No.524410
>>524403
That is CHINA BAD with two extra steps.
No.524411
>>524408make NATO nuke america
No.524412
Damn I want to support Putin just to see the liberals crying and NATO collapsing.
No.524413
>>524395Ah, yeah, I thought it was the forbes article No asking for diplomacy is not NATO. NATO might say diplomacy, but they didn't do diplomacy for 8 years.
No.524415
>>524408They already used 9/11 as a pretext to waste Afghanistan under article 5.
No.524417
>>524407I absolutely consider that a good thing. Godspeed! Yes I know about the rigging. Thx for the talk. Can you like - gimme a useful peace of Russian leftism on my way before I head to sleep/coding?
No.524418
>>524414Now we have proofs that antiwar protests are orchestrated by the West…
No.524419
>>524417> Can you like - gimme a useful peace of Russian leftism on my way before I head to sleep/coding?I don't know what exactly you want to see, sorry.
No.524421
>>524407I dont know whether you know but media can say what it wants - Russians are still considered brothers in the East.
No.524422
>>524414This will just make more Russians enlist. No more wasted life energy because of coom.
No.524423
>>524414Pornhub became shit the second they deleted all amateur/pirate porn.
No.524424
>>524414Russian coomers on suicide watch
No.524425
>>524414Never going to cuckhub again.
No.524426
>>524414This is a huge self-own for anti-Russian forces. Think about how powerful a young man becomes two weeks into NNN. And you want an entire army like that?
No.524427
>>524415incoming "cyber 9/11" courtesy of NSA
No.524428
>>524423Agreed. Professional porn is so fake and unrelateable - unfappable garbage in general.
No.524429
>>524424>>524426you uighas acting like there is only one porn site
No.524430
I never tweet anything about politics, but today is an exception. As I watch Russia continue their invasion of Ukraine this morning, I ask if Americans that want socialism are watching? Do you want to be a part of something like this?
No.524432
It may be unironically better for Ukraine to be a Russian buffer puppet than a NATO sacrificial state to generate misery for PR and poke Russia with.
>>524414The absolute state of corporate virtue signalling. A fucking porn site(heh) shilling for NATO expansion.
No.524434
>>524429But there's only one pornsite that only allows verified videos from the same giant porn company in california that turns out 1000 identical videos about having sex with your sister?
No.524435
>>524016JFC…. let's see if liberal media will post nazi pictures and compare them to this.
>>524228UNDERRATED REPLY No.524436
Will the cyber attack bring google and facebook down?
No.524437
>>524430Who's tweet is that?
No.524438
>>524414Kek, what does it say if you try to access from Russia?
No.524439
>>524414I don't think I could go to pornhub without VPN anyway.
No.524441
>>524430It is not about wanting. It is inevitable.
No.524444
>>524323Agent Kochinski really out here caring about the totally irrelevant NATO NRF
No.524445
>>524436I fucking hope so, Twitter too so libs and troonies neck themselves.
No.524446
>>524414How can you deny Russians the coom? This’ll only make them more stressed and angry, on top of sanctions hurting regular Russian people.
No.524447
>>524323Meanwhile, no Russia-confirmed or photo/video-confirmed tank losses for Russia. At all.
No.524448
Apparently there is a petition for Finland to join NATO that has gathered 25k out of 50k signatures needed for parliament to consider it
No.524449
>>524442Don't you know? Politics is when women and people of color in consumer media.
No.524450
>>524446It really shows that western liberals do not genuinely care about "human rights" when it comes to Russians.
No.524451
>>784120
Maybe socialist.news ? It's Russian branch of ISA with big involvement in Russian street protests trying to spread leftist narratives among population.
No.524455
thread full.
No.524456
>>523954>>524414Pornhub lurking here? I post with my name here ONCE and this happens :/
No.524458
>>524453Lel
>>524452Honestly wonder what would happen if Russia invaded two countries within a short time
No.524459
>>524429man, this is a shitposting place, off the limits is not right, but this
>>524426 >>524424 are obv shitposting.
No.524460
>>524457of cause history comes by tank
No.524461
>>524450To be a western liberal means wanting to genocide the russians so that LGBT people around the world can finally live freely. Without Putler's support all the dictators will suddenly disappear.
No.524463
>>524454I know but since
we are over the limitI just write the first thing that comes to mind
I was acknowledging the funny
No.524465
Friendly reminder that liberals love funding fascists as long as those fascists are overseas and not in their own country.
No.524466
>>524462I just got brain damage
No.524467
>>524453Oh mah gawd I LOVE History 1!
I never thought they’d make second one!
I can’t wait for the History Multiverse team up!
No.524469
>>524453Someone had to resume history, and Putin was a good position to do so.
No.524470
>>524462Oh god, you're the schizo who was ranting about anglos, aren't you?
No.524471
>>524465eh, they love fascists in their own country as well IF the left gets organized. but we haven't seen that for a while.
No.524473
>>524465They're gonna love their homegrown fascists once the local lower classes get uppity.
No.524474
New thread wen?
No.524476
>>52447435 threads is more than enough, go to bed
No.524477
>>524464
I straight up don't believe it. NYT is just reminding everyone that CHINA BAD and also covering the Russian invasion.
No.524478
>>524453>History 2.0First bug patch when?
No.524479
>>524473notice the lack of arguments
No.524482
>>524472The only adequate emotional reaction. If yours is different you should check your mental health.
No.524483
>>524477I have no doubt that the China-US ambassador just told the US to buzz off. Why on earth would they care? The US grand strategy is "Fuck China. Everywhere, all the time."
No.524486
>>524470>anglo is when we allow p-bourg to not pay taxesthen i guess i'm anti-anglo
No.524487
>>524484He’s an Azov simp
No.524488
>>524468Those people either don't understand Russian tactics or try to make it seem like Ukraine is winning somehow. Russia was seen past Kharkov and Melitopol and Cherson, they encircle cities by going via circular roads around those cities. They set up posts to check documents on all the city exits, and also hunt down ukrops still inside those cities. Chernigov got it's SBU (Security Service of Ukraine, FBI analog) burnt after Russian troops stormed it, for example.
No.524489
>“Russia will withdraw troops from Ukraine after the operation is complete. Zelensky will face a tribunal.” — Russian official.
oh fuck bros
No.524490
>>524483Oh we have a problem please help us. Btw no we will not offer you even the tiniest concession on anything or promise to prevent more hostility and sanctions. Pls we need you to ruin your diplomatic credibility and anger Russia, a bordering country, in order to save us from the catastrophic consequences of our own failed foreign policy so that we can divert more resources to our open and explicitly efforts to weaken and impoverish your country.
No.524491
>>524489>Zelensky will face a tribunal.Has he been captured?
No.524492
next thread?????????????????????????????
No.524494
>>524324Massive alarming "proletarian nations vs burg nations" vibes
No.524495
>>524493Supplies ain't troops. Nothing burger till troops
No.524496
ABANDON THREAD
NEW THREAD:
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No.524497
>>524495What if they are attacked? Could that be their way to get in?
No.524498
>>524490PS: If you touch Taiwan we'll nuke you.
No.524499
>>524493That’s just them giving more weapons, but it doesn’t matter how much you arm them, Ukraine cannot hold out no matter how many bullets and rifles you send their way. There are lives at stake and those lives are real human beings who don’t want to die for this crap.
One could say this is essentially the prelude to WW1 where you would get talked shit to by socdem kautskyites for not supporting sending people to their deaths.
No.524500
>>524489>Zelensky will face a tribunal.as soon as he started giving rifles to civilians, that guy deserved everything coming his way
you could even argue earlier when he was caving in to the nazi, forbidding new stations and bombing dombass
No.524501
>>524197Who was she referring to in that vid?
No.524502
>>524248
<Italy last country left not wanting to cut Russia from SWIFT
DIMAIOCHADS STAY WINNING
No.524503
>>524344The last sentence is GIGABASED
No.524504
>>524499>you would get talked shit to by socdem kautskyites for not supporting sending people to their deaths.Minor correction: Kautsky (and Bernstein believe it or not) privately opposed the war, but went along with the decision to vote for war credits in the name of democratic centralism and party unity.
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