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Ukraine conflict: Fighting rages near Kyiv after Russia invasion
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60513116Russian forces approaching Kyiv from northeast & east; Ukrainian Prez pleads for help (LIVE UPDATES)
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/newsblogs/russia-ukraine-war-crisis-news-live-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-latest-updates/liveblog/89813650.cmsRussia attacks Ukraine live updates: Russian forces close on Kyiv (LIVE UPDATES)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/russian-troops-advancing-closer-to-kyiv-us-says-liveblogLatest updates: Ben Wallace says Russia’s ambition is to invade 'the whole of Ukraine’ but its forces have so far lost around 450 personnel
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/feb/25/uk-politics-live-boris-johnson-russia-invasion-ukraine-latest-updatesMany Are Stranded by the War in Ukraine, From Students to Soccer Players, and Reportedly a Hollywood Name
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/many-are-stranded-by-the-war-in-ukraine-from-students-to-soccer-players-and-reportedly-a-hollywood-name/ar-AAUhRKkANALYSIS
Sergey Karaganov: Russia’s new foreign policy, the Putin Doctrine
https://www.rt.com/russia/550271-putin-doctrine-foreign-policy/Why Biden didn’t negotiate seriously with Putin
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously–
N.B. to other OPs: refresh the news, don't just copy paste the old OP
N.B. to people screaming "Western sources! reeeeeee!", in times of war like this, you have to get info from wherever you can. it is up to the reader to use critical thinking skills and choose what to believe
>>523815same, this is a black vortex that sucked me in
I HAVE WORK TO DO, GODDAMIT!
>>523807>small sized mechsmaybe
>normal sized mechsno fucking way, maybe just as a big scary thing to present in military parades, but never used on the frontlines due to being a fucking massive target
>>523818Having the abilities of a tank without the disadvantages of being a vehicle, I suppose.
More mobility and if hit, less mortality (I think), more modularity (since the mecha picks up the weapon itself) and better expense of the manpower (one mech one person, instead of 1 tank 5 people).
>>523807Too pricey and ultimately have less utility than a tank which can go unexpectedly fast
May see some exoskeleton type shit you can equip with weapons that are traditionally too heavy for single soldiers though
>>523839Who?
Me yesterday literally!
>>52384348h give or take.
I wonder how many Ukrainians were waiting for the release of Elden Ring.
>>523826>What are people saying in Krautlandtypical libshit takes and virtue signalling
>In your opinion, will this drive the EU and US closer together?relativeley spoken: yes. but mostly because russia and EU are driven apart, following US interests, lastsly, isnt EU interests
Statement from the Communist Party of Canada
The military incursion of Russian forces into Ukraine has seriously ratcheted up tensions in the region, across Europe and internationally, and increased the danger of ‘great power’ confrontation and even nuclear war. This military action must end as quickly as possible, and with minimum loss of lives, especially among the civilian population, and a negotiated political settlement to the crisis must be sought and secured.
The Communist Party of Canada condemns the Canadian government’s role in stoking tensions leading to the outbreak of war in Europe, sending troops, arms, and funds to Ukraine while insisting that war between Russia and Ukraine is inevitable.
Instead of working to find a peaceful, negotiated political solution Canada’s government has once again taken its lead from the US and NATO, provoking the Russian Federation and ignoring Russia’s legitimate security concerns arising from NATO’s relentless Eastern expansion. The drive to war includes transmitting war propaganda as factual information on publicly owned media like CBC.
In 1990, the US then-Secretary of State James Baker made an agreement with USSR’s President Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not extend its eastern reach beyond Germany’s borders, and then proceeded to do exactly that, in the process encircling Russia with NATO states, military encampments and weapons all pointing at Russia. The 2014 Maidan coup d’état installed a far-right nationalist government, with the open participation of fascist and Nazi elements in Ukraine. This was immediately followed by overt discriminatory attacks and threats against the large Russian-speaking minority in the country, and led directly to Crimea’s secession and the formation of the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. It also further escalated tensions with its Russian neighbour to the north. This came to a head last Sunday when Ukraine’s President Zelensky told a NATO Security Summit that Ukraine sought immediate membership in NATO and would consider repeal of its non-nuclear status, opening the door to the installation of nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil by NATO.
This was immediately followed by last week’s shelling of the newly independent republics in the Eastern Donbas by Ukrainian military forces and fascist militias.
It seems more than likely that these events contributed to the Russian decision to respond with military force February 24th. Perhaps the loss of 27 million Soviet citizens in the last great European war had a bearing on this decision.
Whatever the reason, Canada could have acted to de-escalate the growing crisis long before war broke out, by insisting the agreement to limit NATO’s eastward expansion should be honoured; by repatriating Canadian troops stationed in Latvia; by refusing to send additional troops and arms to Ukraine; by insisting the Minsk agreements be honoured by the Kiev government; and by pressing for negotiations leading to a peaceful, political solution.
Today, Canada must act to put out the fire it has helped to set, before it grows and expands to involve all of Europe. The Canadian government must:
Repatriate Canadian troops, arms and military equipment located in Europe
Demand that the US, NATO and EU immediately withdraw from the region and the conflict, and honour the agreement to limit NATO’s eastern European border to Germany
Press for a negotiated political solution between Russia, Ukraine and the republics in the Donbas The US, Canada and NATO are not the world’s police force.
Working people in Canada and around the world who support peace and political solutions- not military force – will need to act quickly to rebuild the powerful peace movements capable of stopping and preventing wars while holding governments to account. Canada’s immediate withdrawal from NATO would be a good first step towards its complete dissolution.
Central Executive Committee, Communist Party of Canada
February 24, 2022
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>>523866i made a mistake with
>>523865, i wanted to reply to
>>523861 >>523887Tend to agree tbh, it's sanctions on dollar trading only and yuan is still allowed, isn't this what the babies crying ITT wanted?
Apparently they have to oblige the US sanctions for dollars anyway, I'm not going to pretend I know how the inner workings international finance system works
>>523843Completely dependant on 2 factors:
1) how inhumane (ranging from tactical bombing to carpet bombing, for example) the Russians are prepared to go in warfare
2) how soon Sabocatlensky can be capzured/executed
If I have to take a gander, 5 to 20 hours from now on and vestigial resistance happening afterwards.
>>523933Russia's fault is invading, but I can't fault them for any of the other moves they did. Like what
>>523938 said, this is the first time libs were somewhat right in their whole invasion scare, and it feels quite a black swan event. We can only analyze why Putin did this once we see the effects.
Reminder that Ukraine is NAZIFIED and you are supporting NAZIS if you are pro-Ukraine
From a reddit post in /r/askarussian:
>Well, unfortunately it is true and well documented and not by Vlad but by Human Rights Watch, The Simon W. Center etc.
>Despite what Western media is NOT telling you, Ukraine has a very serious Nazi problem and not just a few extremists as exist in every country, they have a GOVERNMENT policy of embracing them:
>In 2015, the Ukrainian parliament passed legislation making two WWII paramilitaries—the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)—heroes of Ukraine, and made it a criminal offense to deny their heroism. The OUN had collaborated with the Nazis and participated in the Holocaust, while the UPA slaughtered thousands of Jews and 70,000-100,000 Poles on their own volition.
>The government-funded Ukrainian Institute of National Memory is institutionalizing the whitewashing of Nazi collaborators. Last summer, the Ukrainian parliament featured an exhibit commemorating the OUN’s 1941 proclamation of cooperation with the Third Reich (imagine the French government installing an exhibit celebrating the Vichy state!).
>Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces. The Azov Battalion was initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine. Andriy Biletsky, the gang’s leader who became Azov’s commander, once wrote that Ukraine’s mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” Biletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament.
>Last year, the Israeli government’s annual report on anti-Semitism heavily featured Ukraine, which had more incidents than all post-Soviet states combined. The World Jewish Congress, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, and 57 members of the US Congress all vociferously condemned Kiev’s Nazi glorification and the concomitant anti-Semitism.
>Ukrainian Jewish leaders are also speaking out. In 2017, the director of one of Ukraine’s largest Jewish organizations published a New York Times op-ed urging the West to address Kiev’s whitewashing. Last year, 41 Ukrainian Jewish leaders denounced the growth of anti-Semitism. That’s especially telling, given that many Ukrainian Jewish leaders supported the Maidan uprising.
>https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/>>523807Exo-skeletons, maybe? Tbh I don't understand why military planes and tanks in this century still have people inside.
>>523899Dunno atm I'm reading commentary on leftypol and pornhub for sparks of inspiration.
>>523933What our resident
PSEUD here forgets to mention are:
1) NATO coup (Maidan) resulting in anti-minority legislation (i. e. cultural genocide) followed by
2) Majority Russian territories democratically escaping Ukraine followed by
3) 8 years of indiscriminate shelling against said republics resulting in 14k+ Russian deaths
STOP ADORING THE CANADIAN PSEUD >>523870>>523873Nvm guise just a link broken somewhere
>>523872What is that image, are we taking ukranian refugees or something
>>523892Idk what load shedding is but we have some maintenance which the fuckers always inform us 2 hrs later about
In case there are any pro NATO retards ITT, read this:
<“But after reading your last post, I can’t but wonder what is Russia afraid of losing that Poland, Ukraine, Hungary, Czech Republic and the other eater countries that joined nato or want to join it are not?”
>I’m sorry, I don’t understand this question. They are not “afraid of losing anything” other than their sovereignty as a large military alliance aimed directly at them keeps adding more members. All the while getting closer and closer to their territory with access to world ending weapons.
>Do you think the US would be happy about Canada and Mexico joining a Chinese military pact and building Chinese bases in Quebec and Tijuana while the Chinese navy has ships on Lake Ontario?? Obviously not, we know what happened when Cuba tried.
<“After all, the west also invaded them twice in the last century.”
>They were admitted to NATO, Russia was denied.
<“What I read about Russia is that it’s not a totally free nation. As you know, the common perception is that Putin controls Russia with an iron fist, in a linear structure of power, with no real free press or opposition. And those who oppose, seem to commit suicide all the time (this is a joke). We hear that him and the oligarchs have practically stolen everything they can and treat the nation and the world as their personal playground living luscious lives while the nation struggles economically. So, isn’t this the case of a minority using the power of a nation to stay in power? If I’m not mistaken, Putin has been in power for about 20 years and yet Russia doesn’t seem to improve. However, the oligarchs and Putin himself have enrich themselves exponentially. Haven’t they?”
>While there is some truth to the above, there’s a lot that’s not as well. The reason Putin polls so well, even by western sources (usually in the 60%’s) is because the quality of life for the average Russian has never been higher. The country was an absolute disaster when he took office and just seven oligarchs controlled ~50% of the country’s GDP. And they did it by cheating…making deals with each other, one gets the TV stations, one gets the oil, another gets the bank, etc. The story of his rise is a great read and certainly complicates the picture of the guy we think is “pure evil”. There’s a doc about Mikhail Khodorkovsky, called Citizen K that I’d suggest. It’s a fluff piece and very pro this anti-Putin Oligarch but even a glowing portrayal shows what a sleeze bag the guy is. Then there were the old school commies that were trying to regain power, furious over the fall of the CCCP. Really amazing recent history that I wish more people knew about.
>https://youtu.be/GtZDb0uo4ls
>https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/08/books/review/the-new-tsar-the-rise-and-reign-of-vladimir-putin-by-steven-lee-myers.html
>And try to think of another Iron fist ruler in recent history that has greatly improved the life of the average citizen…Russia in 2000 vs 2020 is a HUGE improvement. That’s not typically their MO, usually it’s ALL about self enrichment but that is just not the case in Russia. They have Nikes and movies and rock and roll just like the rest of us, something they’ve never had previously. Here’s a link to their GDP chart, take a look at the 25 year growth:
>https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp
>The press and opposition are tricky subjects…for instance, Zelensky imprisoned the guy that came in 2nd in the last election and closed down three newspapers that were critical of him, do we say he has an “Iron fist”? Trudeau just called peaceful protestors “terrorists” and slid towards tyranny with relative ease, threatening to euthanize the protesters pets. My point here is that it’s hard to have an honest/verifiable opinion of something we’re not living through. We can listen to the media but we know much of their job is just to manufacture consent. Putin’s Russia is definitely not as “free” as we are but it’s miles and miles from China or N.Korea.
>But obviously it’s not all roses and the gains made early have definitely plateaued. He has his own group of oligarchs now, and no doubt is resistant to giving up power. The older folks still remember how it was and tend to view him much more favorably for the stability he has brought. The younger generations however don’t have that perspective and tend to view him less favorably. How much of that is due to his own failures/immortality vs the result of sanctions and geopolitical chess is something someone much smarter than me will have to figure out.
<“And thank you too for educating me on you pov in a respectful way. I think this is how we can all learn to care for each other even if we disagree.”
>Completely agree and thank you as well. Too many people just read what feeds their bias without taking the time to see why the other side thinks what they do, so thank you again for the conversation.
>Health and Happiness to you and yours!
>Edit: I found a clip I like. Three billionaires had closed down a factory and slow paid wages, probably trying to make things uneasy for him politically. He made all three go with him and he made them sign and pay on the spot, “The deadline is today”. Some say it’s staged but in the book above, (not a pro-Putin read) the story is described pretty well and I think it’s a good look at what was going on…it was Vlad and his KGB guys vs. legit gangster oligarchs:
>https://youtu.be/3wxrTtBSrOE>>523957>1) NATO coup (Maidan) resulting in anti-minority legislation (i. e. cultural genocide) followed by>2) Majority Russian territories democratically escaping Ukraine followed by>3) 8 years of indiscriminate shelling against said republics resulting in 14k+ Russian deathsThose (among other things) are what I was referring to when I said that NATO is responsible for creating the tensions in the first place.
>>523943>I cant fault them for any of the other moves they did. I agree, up until the actual invasion I was pretty much fully on Moscow's side, but I can't endorse a bourgeois war.
>>523943>libs were somewhat right in their whole invasion scareActually they were not because war wasn't inevitable, it was a possibility. Russia made military drills and build up not as a mere show of strength and not to prepare an already decided invasion but as a bargaining tool for diplomatic talks. It's brinkmanship and a way of getting what they want. What the media and the libs you talk about did would be like saying the USSR is planning to nuke Miami in 62 by putting ballistic missiles on Cuba. Because no they were not, they were actually building strength to get what they wanted, and trough diplomacy (no more US missiles in Turkey if I remember well) the war was averted.
Here because of something not totally clear yet NATO and Ukraine made war inevitable by not wanting to give anything, which is extremely stupid because Russia will end up in a position of strength they would not have had with a diplomatic resolutions. The libs and the media by painting the war as inevitable did not help to avert it and maybe even participated in the escalation of this conflict to this degree of violence. The russian propagandists and dumb tankies didn't help either by refusing to see war as a possibility because hey what international relations and history have to do with anything anyway, only nato can be evil!
>>523986lOL tAkE dRuGs
U r InSaNe
I aLlReAdY tOoK tHiS iNtO cOnSiDeRaTiOn
Pseud anglos, all of them
>>523938I think he wants a neutral buffer territory NATO cannot use for deploying troops & tanks a coupled hundred kilometers away from Moscow in order to prepare for a conventional attack war.
The prospect of Ukraine becoming a NATO member is like a knife on Russia's throat in terms of security, regardless of whether a neo tsarist reactionary nationalist or communists run the government there.
I hope the Ukrainians get rid of their retarded pro burger puppet government and adopt a true neutral position in geopolitics like Finland, Switzerland etc. Then they could actually take advantage of their geographic position.
>>523994Hey it's the pseud guy!
Is nato in the room with us right now?
>>523942Based anon
I too hope Sweden pays for poopdyepie
>>524004It's amazing that social media has to be more real than reality
>>524010Yeah, someone said "Ukraine doesn't have anymore 'right' to join NATO than I have the right be on the Council of Foreign Relations."
>>523960Lmao
We need to bait somebody to actually do this
>>523976we need to send putin sissy hypno videos bros
Anybody know his email?
>>524001oh yes I agree but whether its just the eastern oblasts, the part to the dnjepr or including odessa or whether he wants to get back to pre-NATO-coup
as far I know he isnt letting us knowing yet. I agree with your why and I get how it came to here. I just wonder how it will end but I guess that will depend on how quickly Ukraine is giving up - realistically
>>523976Putina can get it btw
Someone needs to faceapp that shirtless boobie Putin edit
>>523987It's for Zikrane
The secret third legendary state that will be revealed in the sequel invasion
>>524019Bizarre gatekeeping.
>>524045Most people not drinking MSM kool aid didn't expect the invasion, including tankies. The rational conclusion was a diplomatic yield by US. Those same people didn't want war. Nobody wanted invasion. I don't get your point tbh. It directly contradicts the rest of your post.
>>524048…
How long until they start comparing it to the battle of Gondor. Biden the Gray does a heckin saverino at the break of dawn and kills the orkish ruskies, saving the Gondorians. The elves in this case are ISIS fighting with Ukrainians.
>>524083Yeah, it really makes you ponder what the long term plan is. How feasible would it even be to take and hold all of Ukraine?
All of this could just be idiocy, buy maybe he's taking Kiev for extra leverage in peace negotiations? Maybe he really just wants all of Donbass and Lukhansk (which he realistically might hold) and taking the larger cities is a way to ensure that he has leverage to negotiate?
>>524094I cant tell you. I think thats also quite in the stars, nobody rly knows how crazy the populatiomn will be and whether Zelensky gets couped before or dies or 100 other options.
I think ceasefire will come in 1-2 days but thats just completely out of the blue. Putin isnt sayint "under no circumstances" anymore to peace talks so that sounds like softening up
>>524085Indian food, ez question.
>>524089Good job, thanks.
>>524087Did Putin just fucking dismantle the petro dollar with this one weird trick?????
>>524081>Random guy in America gets shot to pieces on his couchAmericans: Well he had a gun on the table!
<Car driving through an active combat zone with reinforcements pouring in gets shot atAmericans: THESE ASIATIC MONGRELS HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!!
>>523965>I was referring to when I said that NATO is responsible for creating the tensions in the first place. Maybe it wasn't reckless or careless behavior, maybe it was malice and their goal was to create this war, to drive a wedge between Russian and European economic cooperation, to make two former soviet countries fight each other, to make Putin look bad, to make Russia expend resources, to create a happening that distracts from politics at home, to justify future military spending and make Russia a boogieman for keeping NATO around.
Maybe their play was that they just sacrificed Ukraine, and their ultimate goal would be to make Ukraine a chaotic permanent battle ground as a barrier made from civil war. They did that in the middle east with Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria,… to create a strip of battlezones that separated Europe from central Asia.
>>524132They're trying to escape.
in one of the videos, it is seen that they're driving towards Odessa, so we can make the assumption that they're fleeing.
Which also makes it funny, cause the military trucks and equipment were
fleeing as well.
>>524128>Maybe it wasn't reckless or careless behavior, maybe it was malice Of course it was malice, NATO is an inherently malicious institution. Where did I imply otherwise?
>their goal was to create this war,A brilliant 4D chess strategy which could have been easily thwarted if Putin hadn't invaded lol.
>>524036Russians gained relative air superiority fairly quickly. Supposedly there was an ace Ukrainian pilot who avoided being shot down, and was shooting Russians down left and right and disappearing and reappearing from the night sky. “the Ghost of Kiyv” began trending on social media. I’ve seen everything from video of now-confirmed Ukrainian airplanes crashing to low-resolution footage of drones being shot down claimed as the work of “the Ghost”. Most likely it is propaganda, would not surprise me if it was astroturfed. It wouldn’t be the first time imaginary fighter aces are used to boost morale. The reality seems to be that the Ukrainian air force is mostly depleted. I say mostly because I did see some video of what appeared to be one low-flying (avoiding radar?) Ukrainian helicopter landing troops during fighting in Nikolaev some hours ago.
There is an astonishing amount of misinformation being pushed around, big information war. For example RFE (which we know to be a U.S. propaganda organ) posted inverted footage from Syria showing airstrikes on tanks, claiming it is Russian losses from today. Another example, an airplane or a missile was shot down over Kiev last night and debris hit the facade of an apartment building, CNN is using pictures of this to imply Russia is intentionally targeting civilians.
>>524157>ukraine isn't a nazi governmentstopped reading there
I will repost this for education purposes:
From a reddit post in /r/askarussian:
>Well, unfortunately it is true and well documented and not by Vlad but by Human Rights Watch, The Simon W. Center etc.
>Despite what Western media is NOT telling you, Ukraine has a very serious Nazi problem and not just a few extremists as exist in every country, they have a GOVERNMENT policy of embracing them:
>In 2015, the Ukrainian parliament passed legislation making two WWII paramilitaries—the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)—heroes of Ukraine, and made it a criminal offense to deny their heroism. The OUN had collaborated with the Nazis and participated in the Holocaust, while the UPA slaughtered thousands of Jews and 70,000-100,000 Poles on their own volition.
>The government-funded Ukrainian Institute of National Memory is institutionalizing the whitewashing of Nazi collaborators. Last summer, the Ukrainian parliament featured an exhibit commemorating the OUN’s 1941 proclamation of cooperation with the Third Reich (imagine the French government installing an exhibit celebrating the Vichy state!).
>Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces. The Azov Battalion was initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine. Andriy Biletsky, the gang’s leader who became Azov’s commander, once wrote that Ukraine’s mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” Biletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament.
>Last year, the Israeli government’s annual report on anti-Semitism heavily featured Ukraine, which had more incidents than all post-Soviet states combined. The World Jewish Congress, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, and 57 members of the US Congress all vociferously condemned Kiev’s Nazi glorification and the concomitant anti-Semitism.
>Ukrainian Jewish leaders are also speaking out. In 2017, the director of one of Ukraine’s largest Jewish organizations published a New York Times op-ed urging the West to address Kiev’s whitewashing. Last year, 41 Ukrainian Jewish leaders denounced the growth of anti-Semitism. That’s especially telling, given that many Ukrainian Jewish leaders supported the Maidan uprising.
>https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/ >>524174>Why does nobody color Lutsk (in the West) ever? There were fights there.There weren't
What there were were maybe some missiles dropping down and that's about it.
>>524162this
leftypol is way more sophisticated and expect hearts of iron or eu4 instead
>>524152safe to say that street won't be named after John McCain for much longer
>>524079Didn't even think of that. eastern Europe bout to be couped by pro-NATO glowies along with half the global south
>>524216Lenin glowed as well tho.
I mean, Germany letting a known enemy of the russian empire through? That's kinda glowy.
>>524211Didn’t even Chomsky say NATO fucked up?
I saw a vid somewhere but cant find it
>>524202>this conflict is in no way an inter-imperialist oneit literally isn't, lmao:
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/hm2-the-economics-of-modern-imperialism/Russia, as it is empirically provable, is not an imperialist nation, going by Lenin's definition.
>>524210THE POWER OF POST-LEFT """ANARCHISTS"""literally supposed anarchos fighting for NATO & Nazis
my fucking sides
you westerners are a
FUCKING JOKE >>524233No other choice. Look at one of Biden's recent statements:
"America stands up to bullies. We stand up for freedom.
That’s who we are."
Is that really what you are doing? Standing up? Because it seems to me from over here that you are just standing by, and watching this happen.
>>524004No.
The saddest thing is that retard weeb twitter account that said "It doesn't matter if its fake, better a fake hero than no real hero".
Also some fag said that /pol/ created the ruse, is that true?
>>524246Lol
>>524247Is this ex YPG guy an anarchist?
https://nitter.net/cossackgundi>>524248JUST DEDOLLARIZE MY SHIT UP FAM >>524230The culture industry was a necessary consequence of capitalist development as the economic base started carving out its own supercultural part. It wasn't a "mistake" as you say; it was unavoidable. It has, however, tragic consequences for humanity; humanity under globalized capitalism.
Read a book.
>>524251true. this is what anarcho brain (=booklet) does to a mf
>>524252>Anarchist to fascist pipelinepicrel
>>524270"LIBERTARIAN" IN THIS CONTEXT LITERALLY MEANS THAT AN ANARCHO DOESN'T HAVE TO BECOME AN "AUTHORITARIAN" THANKS TO NOT CHALLENGING THE WORLD CAPITALIST ORDER (NATO).thx, anarchos
you are useful idiots, as always
>>524138>I have strong, strong doubts that the US intended this war to happen. If they didn't intend this, why did they do all those provocations like sending weapons to ukraine, and talking about making Ukrain a Nato member, ignoring any of Russia attempts to have Russian security concerns recognized in diplomacy.
>It is hugely disruptive to their new "Indo-Pacific" strategy and their "all of society" effort to contain China.How ?
>>524143>Of course it was malice, NATO is an inherently malicious institution. alright
>A brilliant 4D chess strategy which could have been easily thwarted if Putin hadn't invaded lol.No that's not correct framing, The US invaded Ukraine 8 years ago when they overthrew the Ukrainian government and that started a proxy war in Ukraine with Russia, this proxy war recently increased in intensity when the US ignored Russian security concerns and that lead to a breakdown of diplomacy.
Foreign Affairs Big Mac I>By Thomas L. Friedman Dec. 8, 1996
>So I’ve had this thesis for a long time and came here to Hamburger University at McDonald’s headquarters to finally test it out. The thesis is this: No two countries that both have a McDonald’s have ever fought a war against each other.
>The McDonald’s folks confirmed it for me. I feared the exception would be the Falklands war, but Argentina didn’t get its first McDonald’s until 1986, four years after that war with Britain. Civil wars don’t count: McDonald’s in Moscow delivered burgers to both sides in the fight between pro-and anti-Yeltsin forces in 1993.
>Since Israel now has a kosher McDonald’s, since Saudi Arabia’s McDonald’s closes five times a day for Muslim prayer, since Egypt has 18 McDonald’s and Jordan is getting its first, the chances of a war between them are minimal. But watch out for that Syrian front. There are no Big Macs served in Damascus. India-Pakistan? I’m still worried. India, where 40 percent of the population is vegetarian, just opened the first beefless McDonald’s (vegetable nuggets!), but Pakistan is still a Mac-free zone.
>Obviously, I say all this tongue in cheek. But there was enough of a correlation for me to ask James Cantalupo, president of McDonald’s International and its de facto Secretary of State, what might be behind this Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention – which stipulates that when a country reaches a certain level of economic development, when it has a middle class big enough to support a McDonald’s, it becomes a McDonald’s country, and people in McDonald’s countries don’t like to fight wars; they like to wait in line for burgers. Or as Mr. Cantalupo puts it: ‘‘We focus our development on the more well-developed economies – those that are growing and those that are large – and the risks involved in being adventuresome $(for those growing economies$) are probably getting too great.’’
>In the 1950’s and 60’s developing countries thought that having an aluminum factory and a U.N. seat was what made them real countries, but today many countries think they will have arrived only if they have their own McDonald’s and Windows 95 in their own language. This year McDonald’s went into its 100th country and for the first time it earned more revenue from McDonald’s overseas than from McDonald’s America.
>Said Mr. Cantalupo: ‘‘I feel these countries want McDonald’s as a symbol of something – an economic maturity and that they are open to foreign investments. I don’t think there is a country out there we haven’t gotten inquiries from. I have a parade of ambassadors and trade representatives in here regularly to tell us about their country and why McDonald’s would be good for the country.’’
>The question raised by the McDonald’s example is whether there is a tip-over point at which a country, by integrating with the global economy, opening itself up to foreign investment and empowering its consumers, permanently restricts its capacity for troublemaking and promotes gradual democratization and widening peace. Francis Fukuyama, author of the classic work ‘‘The End of History,’’ argued to me that a country’s getting its own McDonald’s was probably not a good indicator of that tip-over point, because the level of per capita income needed in a country to host a McDonald’s is too low. ‘‘I would not be surprised if in the next 10 years several of these McDonald’s countries go to war with each other,’’ he said.
>Yes, there will be conflicts, but more inside countries than between them. No question, the spread of McDonald’s (a new one opens every three hours) is part of this worldwide phenomenon of countries integrating with the global economy and submitting to its rules, but this is not a smooth linear process. It produces a backlash inside countries from those who do not benefit from this globalization, who feel that their traditional culture will be steamrolled by it and who fear that they won’t eat the Big Mac, the Big Mac will eat them.
>How well governments and global companies manage these frustrations will be the real determinant of whether economic development will lead to wider democratization and wider peace. Here again McDonald’s is an intriguing pioneer. When the riots broke out in Los Angeles one of the few commercial buildings not trashed was McDonald’s. Wednesday’s column will explore why.https://archive.md/ferS1 >>524280>>524292>>524289>BRUSSELS — NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Friday that U.S. President Joe Biden and his counterparts have agreed to send parts of the organization’s response force to help protect allies in the east over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
>Speaking after chairing a NATO meeting, Stoltenberg said the leaders decided to send parts of the NATO Response Force and elements of a quickly deployed spearhead unit. He did not say how many troops would be deployed, but confirmed that the move would involve land, sea and air power.
>The NRF can number up to 40,000 troops, but Stoltenberg said that NATO would not be deploying the entire force. Parts of a force known in NATO jargon as the Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF), which is currently led by France, will also be sent.
>In another development Friday, the Cabinet of Italy’s Premier Mario Draghi formally approved previously announced participation by 250 Italian military forces and 139 land vehicles in NATO’s enhanced Forward Presence in Latvia, as well as air policing by some 12 aircraft currently deployed in Romania and patrols by an intelligence-gathering aircraft and a refueling aircraft as part of NATO’s shoring up of its eastern flank allies in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
>The government also approved deployment of 235 military forces aboard two or three naval vessels, as well as an aircraft as part of surveillance and intelligence-gathering in the eastern Mediterranean and the Black Sea.
>Also getting the government’s formal OK was the mobilization of 1,350 military personnel, involving 77 land vehicles and two naval vessels — with the second one to be deployed in the second half of the year — as well as five aircraft as part of the Very High Readiness Joint Task Force.
>Approval was granted for that force to be increased to as many as 1,970 military personnel. The same Cabinet session also granted authorization to provide at no cost non-lethal military equipment to Ukraine, including protective devices for soldiers and de-mining equipment.
>Elsewhere, Latvia’s foreign minister says the European Union has agreed to freeze the assets of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov along with other sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine.
>The move indicates that Western powers are moving toward unprecedented measures to force Putin to stop the brutal invasion of Russia’s neighbor and from unleashing a major war in Europe.
>Foreign Minister Edgard Rinkevics announced the EU decision Friday in a tweet.
>He said another package of sanctions is to be prepared by the EU.We'll have to wait and see but I don't think NATO is committing much more than a token force so far. Still, the conflict is escalating clearly
>>524325That's if you
love the anti-christ.
>>524321can you write like a human and not a Guardian columnist? Its Kiev. It was Kiev for as long foreigners mention this city.
How do you say Paris - Pariiiee?
>>524338I think that does make you look more smug than cool but youre coherent so I respect that.
Still think that comes good in the proletariat factory?
>>524315Well posting what the antiwar leftist faction said then:
<Resolution of the roundtable of left forcesMoscow, 24 Feb 2022
>We, members of the KPRF [Communist Party of the Russian Federation], Left Front, Revolutionary Workers' Party, Russian Socialist Movement, Left Socialist Action, citizens of Russia holding leftist and democratic views, in response to the initiation of military operations on the territory of Ukraine, declare the following:
>- we condemn Russian President V. V. Putin's decision on the invasion of Ukraine, insofar as it will lead to the deaths of thousands of people from both sides. The economic condition of the workers of both sides will worsen. The present invasion is solely the gratification of unhealthy foreign policy ambitions of a tight circle of figures at the head of the country, and also a means of distracting attention from the failure of the Russian government's domestic policy;
>- we demand that the Russian leadership immediately cease aggression against our brother Ukrainian people;
>- we call for all Russian citizens adhering to leftist and democratic views to publish on their pages and social sites the demand for the Russian leadership to cease all military aggression against our brother Ukrainian people, to conduct antiwar agitation among our neighbours, our relatives, our colleagues, and other Russian citizens!
>If the current regime is not able to achieve peace, then the path to peace lies in radical change of that regime and of the whole social-political system. >>524344while I can agree on principle - its not very well written (or at least translated) and could at least concede the Eastern Republics to make it look like it tries to speak to a broader audience (and I mean srsly they dont deserve the shelling either)
Noble but toothless
>>524362Вестник Бури
I am still learning Russian so I have to watch him with subtitles rn. You definitely have better agitation content online than all I have seen on European youtube. Is that the one you were talking about?
My predictions for this conflict;
>russia successfully takes kiev and eastern ukraine
>guerrillas hold out in the west, but belarus tries their best to put down any resistance in the hopes of gaining territory
>russia questions whether donetsk and luhansk should become part of the russian federation, but putin chooses to help them rebuild ukraine and establish a more legitimate government, the peoples republics combine to form novorossiya to make occupation easier
>rather than occupying all of ukraine, russia takes coastal states and focuses mostly on helping the friendly governments hold onto the territory and put down rebels. Rebels, being forced to fight a coalition of countries attempting to expand their territories, have trouble organizing themselves and engage in petty terrorist acts rather than maintaining strong resistance
>russia threatens finland that the same will happen to them if they threaten to join nato. Finland questions whether it should join for fear of a war, the people and the government differ in opinion, unrest ensues because the government continues to try to undemocratically decide on behalf of the finnish people whether the nation should join nato
>russia, belarus and novorossiya takes control of ukrainian pipelines and rather than relying on nordstream 2, which is cancelled, simply uses ukrainian pipelines to trade with EU countries.
>the US, fearful of russian economic dominance, lobbies very strongly against trade with russia. All attempts are made to institute sanctions, kick russia from SWIFT, and arm/fund ukrainian opposition groups against russia
>putin, dealing with unrest in the ukrainian occupied regions, as well as dissatisfaction with his invasion, faces a growing communist movement. Western sanctions worsen this; communists claim that nationalizing industries and de-dollarizing is necessary to evade sanctions and continue economic growth. The KPRF seeks a non-dollar-reliant national central banking system which is capable of trading with china and immediate neighbors without being forced to rely on the USA's currency or the SWIFT banking system.
>russia becomes the world's biggest hermit kingdom, surpassing north korea in economic and military strength. Due to sanctions and removal from trade organizations and banking systems, russia relies on trade with friendly governments. CSTO expansionism enters full swing. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization grows in strength. Russia, facing unfeiendly behavior by the west and europe, focuses all its might on incentivizing european countries to trade with it, while also focusing heavily on regime change in the middle east, central asia and south asia
<alternative possibility -
>TRANSNISTRIA TAKES OVER ALL OF UKRAINE, ESTABLISHES THE SOVIET UNION 2.0, INVADES TURKEY AND MOLDOVA, AND TAKES OVER ALL OF THE MEDITERRANEAN
>>524375k
>>524376If they really want to make a hero of someone, make one out of that Ukrainian soldier that blew up a bridge (Along with him because the explosives had to be manually detonated) to stop a Russian advance, not a fucking fantasy
U.S. is sanctioning Putin personally:
>The US is planning to impose sanctions on Russian President Vladimir Putin as soon as Friday, according to two people familiar with the decision.>The Russian leader will become the highest-profile target in the effort to impose costs on the Russian economy and Putin’s inner circle in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Additional Russian officials are likely to be included, one of the people said.https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/politics/us-putin-sanctions/index.htmlI heard Lavrov is targeted also.
>>524271productive forces
and material conditions too
>>524370>>524374I used this
https://photomosh.comJust be conservative with the filters and tone them down and use Bad TV, Scanlines and RGB shift for the same effect
Unfortunately I think how it inflates so large is that it applies an effect for say 3s or 4s or whatever, but if you have effects for 3s and 4s then it has to make a gif of 12s to make it loop.
>>524296>>524288from the /prc/ thread
Lays out five points, all pretty neutral
1. Territorial integrity must be respected. China disapproves of annexing Ukrainian territory etc. (Recall that Taiwan is de jure Chinese territory whether you say it de facto is or is not, remember the breakaway republics were de facto Russian.)
2. Russian's complains about NATO expansion were/are legitimate. Military blocs are destabilizing and regional security is not guaranteed by formation of military alliances.
3. Ukraine war is viewed negatively, civilians should be protected etc.
4. Diplomacy should be used to resolve the conflict.
5. UN should not activate troops to intervene under Article VII
In terms of what's NOT in it, there is no reference to economic sanctions on Russia. Meaning China does not want to pursue them and is ignoring calls for them.
It may be unironically better for Ukraine to be a Russian buffer puppet than a NATO sacrificial state to generate misery for PR and poke Russia with.
>>524414The absolute state of corporate virtue signalling. A fucking porn site(heh) shilling for NATO expansion.
>>524453Lel
>>524452Honestly wonder what would happen if Russia invaded two countries within a short time
>>524429man, this is a shitposting place, off the limits is not right, but this
>>524426 >>524424 are obv shitposting.
>>524454I know but since
we are over the limitI just write the first thing that comes to mind
I was acknowledging the funny
>>524453Oh mah gawd I LOVE History 1!
I never thought they’d make second one!
I can’t wait for the History Multiverse team up!
>>524493That’s just them giving more weapons, but it doesn’t matter how much you arm them, Ukraine cannot hold out no matter how many bullets and rifles you send their way. There are lives at stake and those lives are real human beings who don’t want to die for this crap.
One could say this is essentially the prelude to WW1 where you would get talked shit to by socdem kautskyites for not supporting sending people to their deaths.
>>524489>Zelensky will face a tribunal.as soon as he started giving rifles to civilians, that guy deserved everything coming his way
you could even argue earlier when he was caving in to the nazi, forbidding new stations and bombing dombass
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