No.525239
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No.525240
2st
No.525241
3rd
No.525242
Fourth for epic screeching
No.525246
>>525244Literal glow post.
No.525247
first for bouncing on my boy's dick
>>525244based
would posting this image on twitter get me banned?
No.525249
>>525244You are not in a soviet
You are fourteen
No.525251
>>525243He is called the ghost of Kiev because he doesn't exists.
No.525252
>>525246>NOOO UR CIAt. FSB
No.525253
=Discussions of Chapters 5-10 of Lenin's Right of Nations to Self Determination starts in an hour. NO NEED TO HAVE READ BEFOREHAND to be part of the discussion.=
https://matrix.to/#/#callroom2.0:matrix.org No.525254
>>790070
He said he is Ukrainian, even.
No.525255
Colombian journalist living in Ukraine: "What happened is a blessing. We lived in fear of Ukrainian Nazi groups."
The interview was cut off after that.
No.525256
>>525244>fuck real things>cheer for my masturbation fantasiesthis is what no theory and LARP does to a mf
No.525259
>>525252>NOOO UR FSBt. CIA
No.525261
>>525253Stop posting this trash, nobody cares about Lenin. That dude died a long ass time ago and isn't relevant. Putin realized how irrelevant Lenin is so there's no need.
(you have more liberalism than sense) No.525262
>Germany “is working flat out on how to limit the collateral damage of decoupling from SWIFT in such a way that it affects the right people,” its govt said in an emailed statement
>“What we need is a targeted and functional restriction of SWIFTBLOOMBERG
https://twitter.com/SalehaMohsin/status/1497620856712925188?s=20&t=5kszEonbAY37BOJ_IuvWuw No.525264
>>525259>>NOOO UR FSB>t. CIAt. FSB
No.525265
reminder:
НЕТ ВОЙНУ МЕЖДУ НАРОДАМИ
НЕТ МИРУ МЕЖДУ КЛАССАМИ
>b-but Vova "kill enemies of the free market" Putin based
If you think like this you should have your eyes scooped out with a rusty spoon
The answer to the bourgeoisie repeating 1939 and 1914 is 1917
No.525266
>>525264*epically screeches
No.525267
>>525261Shut the fuck up, you opportunistic liberal
No.525268
>>525261Discussions of Chapters 5-10 of Lenin's Right of Nations to Self Determination starts in an hour. NO NEED TO HAVE READ BEFOREHAND to be part of the discussion.
https://matrix.to/#/#callroom2.0:matrix.org No.525269
>>525258It took 42 days to be exact
No.525270
>>525266>*epically screechest. FSB
No.525271
Resisting the urge with every fiber of my being to tweet @FukuyamaFrancis and call him an owned bitch.
No.525272
>Germany Wants “Targeted” Removal of Russia from SWIFT (6:01 p.m.)Germany is working to find “targeted and functional” ways to remove Russia from the SWIFT international payments system, two top officials said.
>“We are working flat out on how to limit the collateral damage of decoupling from SWIFT in such a way that it affects the right people,” Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock and Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck said in a statement.
>In an historic policy shift, Baerbock and Habeck said Berlin would allow deadly weapons – initially, 400 rocket-propelled grenades – produced in Germany to be exported to Ukraine from the Netherlands. The direct German export of 14 armored vehicles for Ukraine was also approved, along with 100,000 tonnes of fuel. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-26/russia-vetoes-un-resolution-as-china-abstains-ukraine-update No.525274
Putin dickriders last thread:
>I DON’T CARE ABOUT LENIN, YOU OPPOSE AN IMPERIALIST PROXY WAR BECAUSE YOU ARE BLOODTHIRSTY, YOU ARE AN ANTICOMMUNIST FOR NOT SIMPING FOR A MAN THAT DENOUNCED LENIN ON MONDAY AND WAS YELTSIN’S OWN PROTEGE, IF YOU DON’T SIDE WITH RUSSIA YOU SIDE WITH NATO SINCE WE HAVE POWER HERE AND TAKING A SIDE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE, YOU’RE BEING EDGY AND WHINEY FOR HAVING ACTUAL PRINCIPLES
Wonder what Putinfags will argue ITT
No.525276
>>525267Hello Ukrop, you will lose you neo Nazi faggot.
No.525277
>>525271what's the deal with Fukushima Francis?, who dat?
No.525278
>>790098
yoo thats bs. by numbers, sure. in reality the iraqi tanks where outdated and had no chance against the us forces.
No.525280
why come to a Chinese communist cartoon forum if you dont care about Lenin?
No.525281
>>525276Liberals get the bullets
Liberal irridentists get the first one
No.525282
Putin will succeed where Lenin failed
Putin> Lenin
No.525284
>>525280You still believe in the Maine Incident either?
No.525285
GERMAN GOV
>Foreign Minister @ABaerbock talked to her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi @MFA_China: She stressed that #China, as permanent member of the UN Security Council, has a special responsibility. What matters now is that #Putin’s #Russia stops waging war against #Ukraine.https://twitter.com/GermanyDiplo/status/1497621256534900736?s=20&t=w4Gg_cD0Yyv-eBDmo-ICtA No.525286
>>525255Caracol no? Que colombiano mas basado
No.525287
>>525256GenZedong and Hazbot are doing 4d anti-imperialisms
No.525288
Comrade Vladimir 'Ilych' Putin will do the Revolutionary Hoholcide
No.525289
>>525275They call themselves "internet forces". It's accounts and passwords in VK. They actually have glowie forces who are tasked with spamming guro to demoralize the Russian side
No.525290
>>525275translation or tl;dr?
No.525291
>>525276Burger posting hours.
No.525292
>>525277Arch-American liberal political thinker who introduced the now infamous concepts of the "end of history" and "the last man" in the early 90s.
No.525295
>>525276Absolute fucking state of this board now
No.525296
From last thread.
>>790022
>The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas
Marx.
>If Russia invades and changes the ruling class it will only make the people more nazi.
Retarded poster detected.
.>>790065
Do your praxis. Now.
No.525297
>>525258In 2003 people weren't brainpoisonned by the Internet as much as today. People are used to get anything from the other side of the world by a click on Amazon in less than 24 hours and cannot understand real world conflicts aren't going like in RTS games.
No.525298
>>5252901. Spam guro
2. Post on Russian forums, pretend to be Russians
3. Create chaos, panic, demoralization
4. Throw strikes and such to people who oppose you
No.525300
>>790137And then imposing its own national-bourgeois which is only useful in the short term
Discussions of Chapters 5-10 of Lenin's Right of Nations to Self Determination starts in an hour. NO NEED TO HAVE READ BEFOREHAND (you dont seem to read at all) to be part of the discussion.
https://matrix.to/#/#callroom2.0:matrix.org No.525301
>>525256capitalist realism moment
No.525302
>>525300…but it is useful
No.525303
>We expect a positive decision from Berlin to exclude Russia from the SWIFT system. There is nothing to wait for.Prime Minister of the Czech Republic
https://twitter.com/P_Fiala/status/1497621513213816832?s=20&t=Oc-mBfRCdjUL2vxDo5Qh0Q No.525305
>>525300>And then imposing its own national-bourgeois which is only useful in the short termThat's how eternal anglo tries to defend the US. If it's temporarily useful, then why switching from anglo hegemony?
No.525306
QRD of the past 8-ish hours? I missed a couple threads. Last I heard, the US said it was okay with a neutral Ukraine.
No.525307
>>790132
Japan and Nazis, name a more famous duo
No.525308
Holy shit there's been like 7 more threads since I last looked. Did I miss anything?
No.525309
>>790148
yes
<3
No.525311
>>525308Russia going to get removed from swift
No.525312
>>525308Russia threatening encirclements onto Mariupol and neighbourhood.
No.525313
>>790148
Maybe chauvinists need to read a fucking book instead
No.525314
>>525308Ukraine has penal battalions in Kiev now
No.525315
>Joe Biden is seriously weighing whether to support expelling Russia from SWIFT but has yet to make a final decision, multiple people familiar with his thinking sayCNN
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1497617588372881414?s=20&t=ABeeUgue0XwTB5naE3xgqg No.525316
>>525308Russia claims to have taken Melitopol
No.525317
>>525311Damn, fr? Isn't that supposed to be really bad for the Western economy? I didn't think they'd do it.
No.525318
>>790160
Can mods confirm if those are new IPs?
No.525319
>>790160
t. uncontional Putin dick sucker.
No.525320
>>790160
>if you dont support putin you support nato
why are you like this?
No.525321
Putlerbros, did we get too revolutionary
No.525322
>>525263Is this a Stalker meme I'm missing?
>>525304WEW
No.525323
>Burger hours begin
<Thread quality implodes
Never changes
No.525324
>>525304>Obama's termRussia takes Crimea.
>Trump's termNothing happens.
>Biden's termRussia takes entire Ukraine.
No.525325
>>525305Anglo hegemony is the siren song of Putin chauvinists
>Anglo hegemony exists, so why would you support socialist revolution anon?>Because of the Eternal Anglo don’t you think it’s essential to put the victory of other anticommunist bourgeois factions at the forefront of supporting the working class of all countries?<Why won’t you pick sides in the bourgeois wars anon, fuck Lenin, he’s deadThe only glowies ITT come from the FSB
No.525329
>>790160
this has only happened since the majority of the anglos woke up
(like noon east coast)
No.525330
>>525320they get their theory from genzedong
No.525331
>>790160
>tfw KRPF and CPC pro NATO imperialist
No.525334
>>525327Fukuyama is that you?
No.525335
>>525327Kensai class is OP pls nerf
No.525336
>>525325>LeninThere's Mao that literally sided with USA against USSR because USSR was more threatening. There was Stalin who sided with anglos to avoid getting to fight the whole world. Etc etc. You act like a trot, lol
No.525337
>>525314Any links or vids?
No.525339
China's BRI stands for "Bringing the Revolution Inside (your country)" and they're gonna install communism in Ukraine.
No.525341
>>525338That's from Ukraine MoD. They also said they blew up 500 armored vehicles in the same announcement. You decide how credible you think that is.
No.525342
>>525338Doubt anyone has legit figures but Russian losses will be higher unless they start shelling cities
No.525343
>>525337there was this paper
>>525338no, the west is on a propaganda overdrive now
its so retarded the west will probably create a stab in the back myth when ukraine inevitably surrenders
No.525345
>>525339>"Bringing the Revolution Inside (your country)"Bringing the Revolution Internationally
No.525346
>>525338They are very unlikely to say the least.
Seeing as Ukraine uses civilians and lost the air, its probable that they have higher casulties than Russia.
No.525348
>>525336>Mao sided with the US over USSRShocked that Putinfags are retarded enough to think this was a good idea
Absolutely shocked
>Stalin who sided with the Anglo over GermanyFuck, so Stalin now supports global anglo hegemony? Guess you dismantled why I should simp for Russia in its imperialist proxy war then
And in reality Germany was already penetrating deep into the USSR while also at war with Britain, the Soviets had no choice
No.525349
>>525338The real number is probably 25% of that.
So if they 3500 the real deaths could be around 800/850 soldiers.
No.525350
>>525336>youre a trot>you support NATO and nazisIf Putin was a genuine socialist and Ukraine was the actual nazi state it's made out to be I would defend Russians deleting entire Ukrainian cities with TOS-1 brigades
>>525336>Praising Mao's chauvinist autism70% good, 30% bad
No.525352
>>525308Severodonetsk fell to RFA, Melitopol fell to RFA, taken one of the largest power plants (nuclear? can't recall) in Tokmak by the RFA. Mariupol to be surrounded by eastern and western flanks. Mostly all southeastern front has been closed.
RFA is advancing crazy nuts. A lot of Ukrainian things were destroyed relying on defensive/Urban offensives.
Ukraine is the only one posting army engagement when they have victories, Russian side only posts from the Donbasians army so whenever you see something destroyed from the Ukrainian side is because it is Ukrainian civilian.
No.525353
>>525320The binary thought Pro/Anti NATO is not something new, goes back to og leftypol on 8chan.
No.525354
>>790197
multipolarity engaged
No.525355
>>525263I'm 90% sure that picrel is from my nans home town. It was a powerplant city and the plant director was the (un)official supreme leader of the town. He once went to Moscow world expo and bought American amusement park that the burger presenters couldn't logistically transport back home. Then he would give free tickets to all plant workers along with their paychecks.
No.525356
>>525353well doesnt change its wrong
No.525357
>>525320>>525331Luhansk and Donetsk are socialist republics.
No.525359
>>525351Idk but if you search 'mobile trash incinerator' it doesn't look like that
No.525360
>>525348>>525350>Mao bad for not becoming revisionist under USSR's guidance, akshuallyOh yeah? Where's USSR and the countries which were led by USSR towards communism?
No.525361
>>525338Yeah, they have killed 7 gorillions.
Man, this is from the same MoD that posted videos from videogames to show military superiority.
See reality:
>>525352 No.525362
Putin and the reactionary USSR bureucrats that instigated the Period of Blackest Reaction are worse than Kissinger.
I hope that NATO gets a black eye, I wish for Putler do drown in shit.
No.525364
>>525356Yes, but on the bright side, the mod team here doesn't try to enforce it.
No.525366
>>525358Pretty sure they just shot the guy in the first car
No.525368
>>525358>Be fascist.>Run when enemy comes.>Kill civilians.It never changes, huh.
No.525369
>>790216
>Implying taking the side of the working class isn't taking sides
No.525371
>>790223
>Russia
>Imperialist
Pick one
No.525373
>>525365>>Implying that NATO wasn’t the ones responsible for the blackest reaction Had the representatives of the workers of the Soviet Union not opened the door to CIA involvement 1991 would not have happened, and neither 1996. Reform was needed, but Soviet intelligence was more than capable of handling bungling burgers
No.525374
>>790223
retard
No.525375
>>525351It's so retarded it debunks itself. Why tf would they bother cremating bodies one at a time?
No.525376
>>525360The only way this makes sense is if you believe Mao was right to break with the soviets because the soviets wouldn't have allowed Deng to take over after Mao died and all his policies were buried
No.525377
>>525362I hope the war in Ukraine and self damaging economic sanction bring forth the mutual destruction of NATO and the Russian oligarchy.
No.525379
>>790223
>Russia
>most imperialist force
the glow singes the eyes
No.525380
>>525371actually ill pick both.
like what are you on about? the russian bourgeoisie doesnt want to exploit other nations abecause they are good guys or secret communists or what?
No.525382
>>525373And this makes them worse than kissinger and the rest of NATO? You really think that argument’s convincing, much less true?
No.525383
>>525358Sadly this comes with freedom and sovereignty. Just because there are a handful of Nazis in Ukraine doesn't mean that Putin has the right to invade.
No.525384
>>525380You don’t understand the meaning of imperialism
No.525385
>>790235
Not a firstoid idiot
No.525386
>>525383Yes it does liberal.
No.525387
>>525382Traitors are worse than honest enemies
No.525388
>>525248so basically Russians hate gays and Ukrainians hate jews?
No.525390
>>525384so you are not gonna make an argumnet for your retarded position?
neat
No.525391
>>525380Putinoids unironically believe that porkies won't take any opportunity to steal more profits if their country hasn't reached the monopoly finance stage of capitalism.
No.525392
>>525383Who gives a fuck about his right? Is there a benefit for us is all that matters
No.525393
Got hammered, barely woke up
What I'd miss brehs? Who's winning?
No.525394
>>525360>Siding with the American Empire just after the Vietnam War is less bad than siding with “revisionism”Putinfags
No.525397
>>525391>Steal more profits How. Explain to me how they would steal more profits
No.525398
>>790235
>synthetic left
If you use made up terms from Caleb Maupin you are no better than burgers.
No.525399
>>525393still russia, but nato states now are reconsiderung thrwoing them out of swift
No.525400
>>525390You willfully demonstrate that you don’t understand the concept central to your argument despite it being explained to you repeatedly
No.525401
PETRORUBLE
No.525402
I just heard mention there's a fucking crucifixion video making the rounds. I haven't seen it and I don't know who is doing it but what the fuck
No.525404
>>525383i hate u bc ur canadian, but good god is leftypol even capable of using context clues to infer u are being facetious???
No.525405
>>525397By exploiting surplus value in Ukraine instead of just doing it in Russia.
No.525407
>>525400again, why do you think the russian bourgeoisie rule is different from western? why is wouldnt russia, a bourgeoi dictatorship, have imperilaist ambitions? tell me!
No.525408
>>525401holy based, this is better than socialism
No.525409
>>525391>Be country ruled by a handful of (company owners) oligarchs.<But no no no, it's not imperialist cause it doesn't have monopolies in it's market.How does it not have monopolies.
Fucking explain.
No.525411
>>790270
Holy FUCK
anglo moment
No.525412
>>525406I remember the story from 2014 but i don't recall a video
No.525413
>>525401Dedollarization and the imperialism it props up is one of the few good things to come out of this regardless of who wins
No.525415
>>790270
What no reading and 1991 does to burgers
No.525416
>>790270
>The state owns all of the assets.
The state owns 50% of gazprom.
Fuckin saudi arabia owns 99,8% of aramco.
No.525417
>>790270
calib maupin posting on leftypol
No.525418
>>525393What a question. kek.
>>525389looooool Russians won't find now Kiev, quit the war, quit the war. JFC, these retards.
No.525419
>>525403Don’t be glib, you know that I mean in the russian situation. Corporations dominating other competitiors in a market is not the same as imperialism.
No.525420
>>525416critical support for saudis
No.525421
>>525414Its not an UNCIVILZED nation. Its VVhite, its EVROPEAN
No.525422
>>790270
he is wrong but less than you think, not long ago over 50% of Russian workers were employed by the state. Its not Anglostan
No.525423
>>790270
Epic
No.525424
>>525414watch the "anti-chauvinists" ignore this lmao
No.525425
>>525414Chauvinistic bastards deserve it then
No.525426
>>525414>relatively civilized, relatively Europeankill all Americans
No.525427
>>525416Yeah but isn't that just the royal family lol
No.525428
>>525425Inshallah, Paris gets the first Nuke
No.525429
>>525409My understanding of the detail of the theory of imperialism isn't perfect, but monopoly finance refers to banker Porky being in charge, whereas in Russia, Industrial Porky forms the oligarchy.
No.525431
>>790270
This is wrong and the state has a stake but not full ownership
No.525432
>>525414motherfucker, I wish he gets someday a hammer in his skull and crack open his brain.
CHECHENS WILL BURN YOUR ASSES No.525434
>>525414>war is all good in the savage lands!m a s k o f f
No.525435
>>525427And you could say that 50% is of oligarchs inside the russian goverment.
It's state ownership, and there can perfectly be state ownership under capitalism, more so in countris that have been in constant crisis (like Russia).
No.525436
>>525422>State-owned enterprises in Russia still play an important role in the national economy. The approximately 4,100 enterprises that have some degree of state ownership accounted for 39% of all employment in 2007 (down from over 80% in 1990).[1][2] In 2007, SOEs controlled 64% of the banking sector, 47% of the oil and gas sector and 37% of the utility sector.[2]
>State corporations are established by the Russian government to boost industrial sectors.[3] Rosstat figures show that 529,300 enterprises are partly or wholly owned by the state, of which between 30,000 and 31,000 are commercial companies (generating revenue).[4] The 54 largest enterprises account for over two-thirds of the total revenues generated by state-owned organizations.[4] SOEs account for 40% of the capitalization on the Russian stock market, one of the highest shares in the world.[4]Like it or not, but economically speaking Russia is way more progressive than the neoliberal West.
No.525437
>>525432Not until they (justifiably) sodomize them
No.525438
>>525429The one that rules in imperialism is financial capital, which supposedly is a fusion between the two.
No.525439
>>525419Corporations of one country exploiting the wealth and labour of people in another country is.
No.525444
>>525434Also implied:
>America only fights barbarians, Russia fights civilized people No.525445
>>525432can atheists ever recover?
No.525446
>>525414Scratch a liberal…
No.525447
>>525401>petrorubleew
>petroyuanthats more like it
No.525448
>>525436this is literally just a basic fact. Putin stopped the insane free market policies of Yeltsin. The struggle of Russia against the West is much closer to an anticolonial struggle than an interimperial one
No.525449
>>525414Burgers are awful. I have so much sorrow for non burgers (and by extension, Canadians, which are the Hamburger-Sliders) in the New World. So far away from god, so close the USA
No.525450
>>525444absolutely revolting burgerbrain
t. burger
No.525452
>>525448>You can't have a war in which one side is trying to not get colonized at the same time that it is imperialist.See the Ottoman Empire during WW1
No.525453
>>525451So you think Putin has the exact same policy as Yeltsin? You are a retard
No.525454
>>525436oh I know, meanwhile Bidens crack son loots Ukrainian energy companies - or how posadasfag would say: literally the same thing
No.525457
>>525414>Blond half-asiatic thinks he’s civilized Nothing is funnier to me than slavs thinking they’re white
No.525459
>>525414wonder what Iraqi posters on leftypol feel about this dude calling them uncivilized war-torn countries.
No.525460
>>525453they are not the same, but they are both tools of the bourgeoisie
No.525463
>>525455Like it or not, but economically speaking Russia is way more progressive than the neoliberal West.
No.525464
>>525443>We're in the 21th century, we're in a European city, and there are cruises missiles being launched like we're in Iraq of Afghanistan, can you imagine?I know BFM is rightoid cancer but holy shit the nerves!
No.525466
>>525452WWI was already an interimperial conflict. Furthermore, the Ottoman's holding of what is today modern Turkey against allowed for secular liberalism to take hold there (which is historical progress)
No.525467
>>525358Flattening Mariupol and Lviv is probably the only legitimate part of the Russian intervention.
Hope this scum gets smashed.
No.525469
>>525466Turkey was literally colonized tho.
No.525470
Comrade Putler is gonna do a Space Communism on yalls bitchazz
>>525456Natoids btfo once again
No.525475
>>525456Pro-Putin: Venezuela, Cuba, China, Russian communist party, Syria.
Anti-Putin: Rojava gusanos, random anglo leftoids, Vauush, NATO
No.525476
What's happened in these threads? What's wrong with Putinoid retard chauvinists? Have they lost their minds? This reminds me of what was happening in Cuba threads and the schizo posting that happened there where people forgot all theory and even rejected it.
No.525477
>>525458Crazy how like half of Ukrops is disproven with 15 seconds on google
No.525478
>>525351>Does anybody have an article link or something, which debunks the Russian Mobile crematorium fake claim? I need it please.If this is a furnace, it's one for making ceramics, and if the tiny power-cable coming off that thing is any indication, it's got a low power electric heater that will take at least a hole day to get hot and have a 3 day cycle time for a single ovenload. If I'm right then this thing would take forever to boil out all the moisture if you stuffed it with human corpses. This may not even be a furnace it might just be a chamber for drying gypsum parts used in construction.
No.525482
>>525469They tried to, but failed.
No.525484
>>525481They almost got colonized
No.525485
Why do people unironically defend the Russian imperialist war in Ukraine? This isn't the USSR, this is a large imperialist capitalist nation. Don't defend NATO either. This is like siding with the German Empire in WW1 because they are at war with the Anglos.
No.525486
>>525474Any form or even a modicum of rationality introduced by the state is preferable to blind market forces.
No.525487
>>525481I mean, it was supposed to.
The turks literally fought them all off in a war of independence
and then proceeded to genocide the greeks that lived there, bit that's another story No.525488
>>790345
These retards are going to get so many people killed
No.525489
>>525469do you mean the Ottomans? Turkey came off pretty much unscathed, but the Ottomans were butchered. Of course to call it colonization you have to believe the claims of Islamic brotherhood were legitimate, which most of the Arabs who actively rebelled against them did not.
No.525490
>>525476Excuse me sir this is the epic retard shitposting general thread
No.525491
>>790345
>wasting this much alcohol
ukroids don't deserve to be called "slav"
No.525492
>>525485because many ppl on here just want to identify with a strong army because they got small dicks
No.525493
>>525475>pro-putin: states and organisations that need russia's support to counter the us>anti-putin: states and organisations that don't need russia's supportSuch enlightening analysis
No.525495
>>525485>Why do people unironically defend the Russian imperialist war in Ukraine? For (you)s.
No.525496
>>525483Even Putin is calling for peace, so put down the weapons.
No.525497
I actually do agree Russia fights an anti-colonial struggle against the West, even though that doesn't mean everything they do is right
No.525498
>>525476Reading theory and developing a well-informed and nuanced opinion takes too much efforts for 0 (you)'s. Much easier to just shitpost with uncritical support for Russia and make westoids and NATAoids seethe
No.525499
>>790345
inb4 the barbaric slaughter of innocent civilians by the hundreds.
Then more banter from Ukranoid politicians to embolden the enxt wave of NATO sacrifices.
No.525500
>>790345
>Lutsk
Galacia is the most anti-Russian part of Ukraine. In all honesty its best for Russia to not occupy it, and let Azov use it as their rump state.
No.525503
>>525471Youre not completely wrong but it was Yeltzin doing that. Putin is surely no socialist but he did stop many of Yeltzins plans, which is why many Russians are so attached to him. Unlike ufofag youre actually providing some sources tho and you are right that Putin is a scumback - still he was backed in a corner here and providing ample opportunities for now 8 years to prevent what is just happening. whats your idea, another 10k dead in Donbas, where actual communists may not be in power but have a stronger base than in 90% of other contries?
No.525504
>>5254931) Not even most of them
2) What does it say about the states that do depend on Russia’s support
No.525506
>>525487>genocide the greeksI'm still uninformed about how they differentiated greeks from Turks in western Anatolia, like did Christian Turks get caught in the crossfire?
No.525507
>>525493>pro-putin: anti-imperialists>anti-putin: pro-imperialistsI'm glad you slowly understand what's really at stake here.
No.525508
>>525479what is the highway of death? Where do you find these
No.525509
>>790367
yeah, that's perfectly good for drinking too
No.525510
>>525508not sure what it means by highway of death, I'd assume its a massive airsrike agianst armored viechals a la what america did in gulf war 1
No.525511
>>525479I think this map is outdated.
Let's wait for the new map, that should come out soon enough.
No.525512
>>525508I got the map from 4/k/
they have good coverage of the frontlines and the military science aspects of the war
No.525513
Anti-Ukraine gov. and anti-Russia gov. and especially anti-west govs.
They all need to goooo.
No.525514
>>525502Its a bit more complicated then that, it was Turkish nationalists fighting both the Ottoman government and the allies that backed them because they wanted the Ottomans as a satellite state a la Greece, which the Turkish nationalists refused to do. Still, hardly colonization.
No.525515
>>525508google it, its where the US killed 100+ civilians (with a German general commanding it AGAINST the wishes of the American bomber crew as far I remember it, the audio is crazy and part of why I stand strongly against the US goverment here)
No.525517
>>525512lol /k/ is full of coping ukrops
No.525519
>>525510damn, gulf war? I thought it was the bloody airstrike in Iraq
No.525520
>>525485>This is like siding with the German Empire in WW1 because they are at war with the AnglosPeople here would call you a pro-imperialist Anglo for not doing so
Fundamentally these people don't believe its possible to side with your own class interests instead, they don't believe in class interests at all, to them all "politics" is conflict between bourgeois factions and if you don't pick one side of the bourgeoisie you support the other
>>525496Zelenski himself stated being open to neutrality (also the position of the Ukranian communist party) the other stuff is counter-productive (demanding surrender before negotiations, tribunals for leadership) and only prolongs the war, the death of workers and conscript soldiers, the profiteering of the national bourgeoisie of both sides, and the economic ruination of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus
No.525521
>>525516Yes in our current unipolar world, America is the steward of the imperial order retard. This is basic analysis
No.525523
>>525486We both know that there is no true "blind market forces". Neoliberal finance is what I think you're imagining when you talk about the "free market" which is moreso a symptom of overfinancialization and speculation, which is only possible through the reserve currency of the dollar, which is dying and slowly losing its imperial influence. In any case I don't believe the free market has ever existed and could ever exist which only proves harder the pure fantasy that lolberts have. Every market force requires a strong national state backing it which is definitely directed. An economy can either be capital geared or labor geared and neoliberalism highly favors capital and it's accumulation in the finance area over production. Anyways im going on a tangent. My point is only that the free market has never been free and will never be free.
No.525525
>>525503>Youre not completely wrong but it was Yeltzin doing that.Do you seriously think the man who said Russia needs its own Pinochet was opposed to using the military to crush communists and keep them out of power?
>still he was backed in a corner here and providing ample opportunities for now 8 years to prevent what is just happeningI don't disagree. NATO is the primary instigator of this conflict, but that doesn't make Putin's escalation justified, productive, or beneficial to anybody (aside from arms manufacturers and warhawks in both East and West).
>whats your idea, another 10k dead in DonbasHe should have just recognized the Donbass republics and occupied them. I wouldn't be surprised if this war kills as many as the last 8 years if low intensity fighting.
No.525526
>>525519the highway of death is the most lopsided battle of all time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death No.525527
thats what I dont get from neutralcels here. Doing nothing would have meant another bloody year from Donbas which I wouldnt say is socialist, but definitely closesly alligned with. Like Lukashenko, state capitalism with socialist characteristics
No.525528
>>525519>>525510>>525508didn't Activision blame the highway of death on the Russians in one of its vidyas?
No.525529
>>525503>he was backed in a corner here and providing ample opportunities for now 8 years to prevent what is just happening. whats your idea, another 10k dead in Donbas, where actual communists may not be in power but have a stronger base than in 90% of other contries?ANY ruler of state – be it socialist, communist, nationalist, etc. – would do what Putin is doing right now, with the exception of Russian liberals who would basically reboot Treuhandanstalt anyway and wait for the West to pat them on the head for being useful idiots. This is what anti-Russian retards don't get ITT. Putin has no choices. If the communists were in power they would have invaded Ukraine sooner – they openly say it.
Fucking anglo retards can suck my dick and choke on it with their faux-progressive appeals to pacifism when people are already dying and with their appeals to the "workers taking over" when in Ukraine the nazis kill trade unionists and are scared.
No.525530
>>525520How would "siding with your class interests" be reflected on the posting, what we are doing on this imageboard?
No.525531
>>525517>>525524it is, but they are the only place who are talking about the different tactics and in depth situation of how the battles are going
No.525532
>>525485The Russian state is irredentist, not imperialist, that's the only thing I'd correct you on but I agree with what you said. Siding with either NATO or Russia is chauvinistic.
No.525534
>>525439This is again a generality. Do you know how Britain imperialized India? Not by exploiting labor and resources in general, but by agrarianizing it, taking raw materials and selling back the finished products to them at a higher value. With modern imperialism, the companies just serve as financial units that loan out money to outsourced manufacturing and shipping firms while getting back a cut of the profit from the contracted services and from the sale of the product.
No.525536
>>790377
wait… putin died yesterday?! wtf
No.525537
>>525521and yet Russia is doing its own imperialist policies, against US policies. Curious
No.525538
>>525532>The Russian state is irredentist, not imperialistFor a capitalist state one inevitably leads to the other.
No.525539
>>525537What imperialist policy?
No.525540
>>525529what you are decsribing as the natural reaction is in fact the reaction of bourgeoi rule which you normalise.
>but the cp!!!!!!you mean putins controlled opposition? yeah, im sure of that.
No.525541
>>525533absolute degenerates
No.525543
>>525531but how do you extract the quality effort threads among all the ukrop seeth threads?
No.525544
>>525520>Zelenski himself stated being open to neutrality1. denazify
2. forfeit NATO weaponry
3. kick NATO troops, advisors out your country
4. talk
He would already protest 1. and you know it. Those are
their "based" nazis and he needs them to stay in power.
No.525545
>>525525The Pinochet sources is fishy at best and I think we both know that Putin has made some character growths over the year. He definitely sees the failures of Yeltzin better know since the effects started to show.
I agree with that he should have stopped after the Donbas oblasts. Sadly this didnt happen. I am not cheering his decision not to but Ill even less now change to the side of Ukraine. I hope this war gets a quick and bloodless end, the Russians going smoothy and (!) staying away from attacks on civilians are one way. Another better one would be China or Israel (which sry people but is actually in a love-hate relationship with Russia) would be also something I celebrate.
I will not in my life stand on the side of NATO
No.525546
>>525539Overthrowing a regime they don't like to put one more complacent
No.525547
>>525523A very interesting conversation you are having with yourself. Mind if I don't give a shit, tho?
No.525548
>>525529>ANY ruler of state – be it socialist, communist, nationalist, etc. – would do what Putin is doing right nowThat's beside the point. When a communist state does something it is fundamentally different from when a reactionary state does it. If Russia was still the USSR I would probably support them in this, but they aren't. Russia is not a proletarian state, it is a state which serves the interests of its bourgeoisie. This means that everything is does is done first and foremost to benefit them and them alone. So even if a communist state may have reacted similarly, they would have done so in service of fundamentally different interests.
No.525549
It's ogre for Cuckaine.
That's what you get when you choose a fucking 🤡 for president and become a huge NATO military base ignoring literal centuries of common history with Russia.
I hope no one is retarded enough to die for Zelensky and his delusions, a civilian fighting against Russian tanks with molotovs is suicidal and a very fucking dumb way to die.
No.525550
>>525546That's not what imperialism is
No.525552
>>525527this post gave me brain polyps
No.525553
>>525545>I will not in my life stand on the side of NATONeither will I obviously.
No.525554
>>525548You seriously expect anyone to believe you'd support the USSR?
No.525555
>>525525* China or Israel striking a peace deal where Russia can keep the oblasts and Ukraine is never joining NATO. Or just the latter but then again the Donbas people would suffer in this case
No.525556
>>525551This too, this is literally the reason why the capital of Russia is Moscow instead of saint Petersburg
No.525557
>>525527If this had been limited to clearing Ukrainian artillery along the Donbas/Luhansk border and ending the economic blockade or resolving the water shortages in Crimea this would have been acceptable
Thats not what it is turning into now. Maybe that was the plan, but that's not what's happening on the ground with prolonged sieges and occupations far away from DNR/LNR
>>525544List the nazis in the Ukrainian cabinet
>>525530I live in one of those three countries. If this war doesn't end it's going to ruin us all. No one wins except war profiteers No.525558
>>525548>>ANY ruler of state – be it socialist, communist, nationalist, etc. – would do what Putin is doing right now>That's beside the point. That's "beside the point"
ONLY IF you don't care about reality and for you socialism doesn't have to face realpolitk and can actually function in a vacuum where your moral ideas can become reality undisturbed.
This is what you are, you fucking scumbag. An idealist moron who openly says he doesn't give a shit about reality and then acts as a holier than thou/communistier than thou.
No.525559
How many of these both-sides retards are also hysterical anti-china fags
No.525561
>>525538>For a capitalist state one inevitably leads to the other.You keep saying this, but it is really an admission that Russia is NOT imperialist.
No.525562
>>525553I hope so and am glad that you understand. Youre a good dude and I for myself dont judge anbody thats between the fronts here. Its ok nobody is a bad leftist for that but for me its not enough
No.525563
>>525485Because one is a nazi govt and the other isn't. Literally everyone on the internet larps as an antifascist until actual fascists are being crushed in real life, ridiculous.
No.525565
>>525550Putting a puppet comprador regime is pretty much imperialism my dude.
No.525567
>>525537> Kochinski, who refuses to regard imperialism as a “phase of capitalism” and defines it as a policy “preferred” by finance capitalhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/oct/x01.htmare you actually being specifically retarded in this way on purpose?
No.525568
>>525557no its not the plan. I am for peace and if not a bloodless quick war. Sry dont wanna repeat myself but you can read my other post.
No.525569
>>525564If this is real, doesn't this mean that they are advancing so quickly their logistics aren't keeping up. This seems pretty bad for Ukraine
No.525570
>>525557 (forgot)
>what can be doneAnti-war protests, sabotage and strikes, and mutinies for those fighting at the front
No.525571
>>525564Putlerbros how will we ever recover
No.525572
Friendly reminder.
Russia does have monopoly Capital!
No.525573
>>525565No it isn't retard. Read Lenin
No.525574
>>525560I guess the answer is yes lol you're funny kitty
No.525576
>>525564Russia out of fuel, sure. Another Ukranian thruth bomb.
Its Russia. The one country that can drown itself in fuel.
No.525577
>>525559I look forward to your banning :)
No.525578
THREAD REMINDER THAT THE CONTRARIAN 'LEFTISTS' AGAINST PUTIN HERE WON'T WEAKEN THEIR BOURGEOSIEI STATE THROUGH PRAXIS, THEY HAEVN'T POSTED THEIR PRAXIS OF THIS EVENT
No.525579
>>525558>That's "beside the point" ONLY IF you don't care about reality and for you socialism doesn't have to face realpolitk How tf are you dipshits facing reality here? Explain to me how Russia expanding its own imperial sphere through a murderous war is going to benefit the communist cause. Even the argument that it weakens NATO is moronic, because NATO is hardly going to be seriously weakened by even a complete Russian victory. The only way this can benefit us is if the losing side experiences an upsurge in revolutionary agitation as a result.
No.525580
>>525546Yeap and everyone, including Ukranians will gain for it. Because Russia probably wants a buffer puppet state while we know now that NATO wants a sacrificial population to spend against Russia while they denounce from their transatlantic high seat.
No.525581
>>525564>When you're advancing so fast that you literally can't keep up with your success.Zelensky would call this "Winning"
Also what a nice Russian soldier, he laughed at the joke too.
No.525582
>>525383>Sabocat does a bellydance to the nazisShocking
No.525583
>>525440Can someone tell me if it's actually snowing in Ukraine right now?
No.525585
>>525543You have to already know what is going on beforehand. It really sucks ass and I wish this was the one place that could be a shelter from NATO propaganda. The only way to counter it is to teach illiterate children 90 years of history.
No.525586
>>525583it's not. this is propaganda
No.525587
Смерть Украине
No.525588
>>525579This is not an aggressive war. It's a desperate act to prevent the overthrow of the Russian government, and every other post soviet state. Naturally there is not much to be "gained" other than averting a more tragic outcome.
No.525589
>>52555980%. Like 5-10 threads ago they used "dengist" and "pro-putin" interchangeably. The pseud moronfag Sabocat is a known anti-China grifter from the china thread. The schizo Leninhat is also a heroic anti-"Dengist." These two are Canadian and UKian.
This is all you need to know about these people.
No.525590
>>525578>Implying NEETS on a board yelling whether they support this or that means anything in the world stageThe eternal lib brain.
No.525592
>>525588yeah its kinda not. Its to reverse history to the second before the coup. But a war is quite a hard measure, even if not being unjustified, surely not wholly
No.525594
I'm an apolitical enlightened individual who likes to hear from both sides.
/pol/ is on the Russian side because they perceive this as a fight against the globohomo empire led by the USA.
What about you, leftists? What's the main sentiment among you?
No.525596
>>525589if the soviet union still existed they would 100% be opposing it
No.525597
>>525588>It's a desperate act to prevent the overthrow of the Russian governmentare you high my man?
No.525598
>>525588>This is not an aggressive war.AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
No.525600
>>525595It's already night in Ukraine.
No.525601
>>525594anti-Ukraine cause its NATO-aligned
No.525602
>>525590t. revolutionary armchairism strikes again
No.525603
>>525568>bloodless quick warThis would be the best option after peace sadly it is turning into something worse
No.525604
>>525578I totally agree fellow comrade, can't thoses contrarians post the detailed whereabouts of their praxis in this public space?
No.525605
>>525563>Literally everyone on the internet larps as an antifascist until actual fascists are being crushed in real life, ridiculous.Worse. Real life "antifa" for these people is just getting into street brawls with fascists. When a country is actually killing fascists they actively side with and support the fascists like Crimethinc.
The same blac block types were hand in hand with literal Ukranian nazis in Hong Kong.
As always: scratch a liberal, a fascist appears.
No.525606
>>525593I am not talking about people that are not ITT, I am talking about people ITT.
No.525607
>>525584Based.
>>525588>This is not an aggressive war. It's a desperate act to prevent the overthrow of the Russian governmenThese are not mutually exclusive. All wars waged by major capitalist powers are inherently imperialist, because all wars waged by such states are waged in service of the interests of the ruling class. These interests tend inexorably towards imperialism. Russian porkies will take advantage of any opportunity that this situation presents to expand their own wealth at the expense of both Ukrainian and Russian people.
No.525608
>>525594were either on Russians side or neutral. I am on Russias more
No.525609
>>525604You can find some whereabouts here:
>>525584 fellow coward armchairist
No.525612
>>525586Is there some kind of online proof for this? Really would like to know for sure.
No.525613
>>525603yes and sadly every second a few new NATO Stingers come through some border gate. And civilians are armed. Anyway I see we agree mostly
No.525614
>>525358There is a curfew out after 5pm, all civilians outdoors are now enemy combatants. They deserved it. Besides its just a little target practice
(Fuck off with this shit.) No.525615
>>525594I don't support Putin but Zelensky can go fuck himself and I wish he gets executed for forcing the population to fight for nothing against a massive enemy.
No.525616
>>525606>I am not talking about people that are not ITT, I am talking about people ITT.>If it isn't people on this thread then it doesn't count nanananaBoth the KKE and the PCTE (and other communist parties in Spain, it's complicated) don't support this war in the slightest, the people you see in here saying Russia is imperialist have the same thought as these parties.
No.525619
>>525604Good morning private. All is fine here, dont worry. we have an eye on it
No.525620
>>525617>Pretty ironic for you to say that considering China actually did oppose the Soviet Union and Russia is literally run by the people who destroyed it. My dislike of these states comes from their opposition to the USSR, which I consider the pinnacle of human sociopolitical achievement.This. Russia is not the continuation of the USSR, but just another break-away republic.
No.525621
>>525545>>525548I just think its really fucking annoying. People already know Putin is garbage and don't care because his actions benefit us. We should not be spreading anti-Russian propaganda because it will be used by NATO for war.
Every person who tweets "NATO is bad but Putin is literally Hitler!, I'm anti-war by the way!" will be used to support NATO intervention. Public stance from westerners, if you take one should not include criticizing Russia in any way, which will only serve pro-intervention propaganda.
You shouldn't feel any obligation to point out that even though Saddam doesn't have weapons of mass destruction he is a still a butcher, or preface statements with "Putin is a really bad guy but". Such words only feed the military industrial complex. The only positions is that NATO aggression in Ukraine is unacceptable and NATO is fully responsible for this.
No.525622
>>790492
do they use night vision like they do in my epic video games?
No.525623
>>525594ppl here are split between support for russia and leftist positions like opposing every imperialist conflict
No.525624
>>525594I'm on the side of the Jets. It's my favorite team.
No.525625
>>525617Deng repaired the Sino-Soviet split, stop coping
No.525626
>>525614They do deserve it if they are armed, some civilian fag with a Molotov is a combatant in my book.
Again this is Zelensky's fault.
No.525628
>>525621I am with you here. Russia shouldnt back down with no gain.
No.525629
>>525559sabocat is anti-russia because he thinks china is imperialist
No.525632
>>525591Sue Me, I Bombed Sumy
No.525633
>>525557>If this war doesn't end it's going to ruin us all. No one wins except war profiteersthis is the most important truth, above all else. if you take sides in an imperialist war, you are a socdem with delusions of grandeur at best. this is a war for the rich, by the rich, against the rich. perhaps the only good thing to come out of this war is the inevitable destruction of the azov battalion but even that'll be a short-lived celebration given how even russia has employed neo-nazi mercenaries.
>>525594no war but class war
No.525635
why are you nerds so obsessed with having a side and a proper take. stop acting like politicans
No.525636
>>525599>Ukrainians cut off water to Crimea.But of course The Russians had no reason for this invasion.
https://tass.com/world/730769
>Ukraine cuts off water supply to Crimea
>On April 26, Ukraine closed sluices of the North Crimean Canal, halting water supply from the Dnieper River to the peninsula.
>Crimea received 85% of fresh water through the canal, which was built in 1961-1971. It streches from the Kakhovka Reservoir to Kerch. No.525637
>>525622Yeah.
And the phantom of Kiev is the Ace Combat part of the war.
No.525640
>>525621This. It's the same thing with Palestine, starting every sentence with "Now I am against antisemitism, but…" It gives the game away
No.525641
>>525634oh not at all. Youre right publically we should just support Putin. Reverting does mean more ppl in Donbas are killed so how is that humanist
No.525642
>>525594Slightly pro Russian.
Rooting for Russia's expulsion from SWIFT rn.
No.525644
>>525479I know American history education is extraordinarily deficient but perhaps you have heard of Mesopotamia? American troops invading the "uncivilised" country of Iraq destroyed more history of human geography than has ever existed in Europe.
No.525645
>>525551>this is why you don't form your capital near a border.lol, do you rly not understand history of Eastern Europe?
Ukraine wasn't always against Russia and Belarus, and was nearly always part of Russia, and in the 90s after dissolution of the ussr, there weren't hostilities between them.
No.525646
>>525630russia winning would strenghten russias control over eastern europe and demonstrate their strength against nato
ukraine surviving would further weaken russias position and probbaly lead to them joining nato
No.525647
>>525646by them i mean ukraine obviously
No.525648
>>525616>If it isn't people on this thread then it doesn't count nanananaYes problem?
The rest is meh, I don't care.
No.525649
>>525621>People already know Putin is garbage Do they? These threads are always full of people praising him.
>and don't care because his actions benefit us.Maybe in a very indirect way, but even from the perspective of containing NATO this war is counterproductive. They will lose Ukraine and gain Sweden and Finland.
>We should not be spreading anti-Russian propaganda because it will be used by NATO for war.Literally nobody here is on NATO's side. When it comes to pro-Ukrop libs I talk almost exclusively about how NATO instigated this conflict and is driving us further towards war to line their own pockets. However there's no point in saying this here because we all already agree with it. I gotta say it's really surreal to have libs accuse me of being a Putin-shill, only to come here and be accused of being pro-NATO.
No.525650
>>525644>Mesopotamia is in Europeyou either can't read or you are a retard
No.525652
>>525646The real battle is what will happen when Finland and Sweden decide to join NATO.
Ukraine had problems with regards to that that were preventing this from happening, Sweden and Finland do not.
No.525655
>>525621This.
>>525649Kill yourself already.
No.525657
>>525634how about the securing of ukraines sovereignity becomes a UN issue and the blue helmets ae stationed there?
neither russia nor nato would be strenghtened
No.525658
>>525649We don't know what the effects of this invasion will be until the dust has settled so anyone saber rattling right now has nothing to go on except being terminally ill children treating this like some sports event. We'll know the effects months from now or a year from now.
No.525659
>>525650The statement was that "he is not wrong." "He" has claimed that unlike Europe, Iraq is not civilised.
No.525660
>>525651if you believe pic1 you are a clown
No.525661
>>525652Finland is much further from Moscow and the terrain is very hard to chew through. The borders were also changed to be better defended after Lenin. That would be bad but not horrible. Fuck sweden while were at it
No.525663
>>525661Its not about the battle in itself, its that if they join NATO even for 0,05 seconds we get nuclear war
No.525664
>>525661Putin already said that if they were to start applying for NATO Russia would start an attack.
No.525665
>>525633Unironically the only potential positive would be western powers actually delivering on swift ban, because it would give a huge boost to the building of alternative to western controlled banking and trading systems.
No.525666
>>525635struggle session to get a correct understanding of the situation. its like an iraq 2 rerun where we get to analyse propaganda in real time and compare it to our theoretical analysis, and also find out which news/media is pro war and at what point in the propaganda onslaught they will devolve into moralism and support of bombings and intervention.
biggest learn so far is that sometimes invasion is for geopolitical security, to protect national profit and not for expanding profit directly. also exposed a ton of twitter personalities and youtubers (70% of the ones i follow) as being unprincipled opportunists.
No.525667
>>525662Confirm what the other anon was saying.
Post informative shit or STFU.
No.525668
>>525659but iraq is civilized.
just bc its not white civilisation doenst make it uncivilized, /pol/ack
No.525669
>>525663I dont think so, I wrote you why Ukraine is much more if a defensife problem and I think Putin is legitly afraid of NATO coming for "Free South Russia" next like thex do in China
No.525672
>>790538
>>790538
If you think that throwing a Molotov to some Fat policeman is the same as throwing one to a MBT you're beyond retarded.
This goes beyond the "muh defense" discourse of Zelensky, this is basic common sense.
Civilians should hide and stay in shelters, not go marching directly to death as Zelensky wants.
No.525673
>>525671TBH I wouldn't count any combat at Kiev proper as russians vs ukranians as of now as we know that Ukrainian Volkssturm are really trigger happy and don't know the difference between russian and ukrainian troops.
No.525675
>Germany will supply 1,000 anti-tank weapons, 500 Stinger surface-to-air missiles to Ukraine
Russian troops need to accelerate IMHO, otherwise they could incur in unnecessary losses due to Ukraine being flooded with this kind of systems.
No.525676
>>525668I think you are misreading me. That Iraq is civilised is precisely what I'm saying… The person who is saying that Iraq is uncivilised is the person in the video, who earlier anon claimed is "not wrong."
No.525677
>>525671This has already been posted 100 times
No.525680
>>790563
Touch grass and have sex
No.525681
>>525671According to this GEO-data the fighting this afternoon was already 10kms from central Kiev.
No.525684
>>525672Most modern military vehicles are also not really vulnerable to Molotovs. If you hit a buttoned down tank with one the crew probably wouldn't even notice. Zelinsky is sending these people to their deaths.
No.525685
>>525674I hope they send peacekeepers to Europe.
No.525686
>>525681As said, this could perfectly be Ukrainians vs Ukranians.
Shit's wacky like that
No.525688
>>525683Here and the Ukraine threads before this one
No.525689
>>525680at the same time?
outside sex is kinda freaky, anon
No.525690
>>525672Don't you know? You can totally win against tanks by spamming molotovs! Destroying them one HP at a time :DD
No.525693
>>525675very neccessary losses for NATO
No.525694
>>525689i guess you've never seen a danish anarchist
No.525696
>>525692Give em hell boys
No.525697
>>525649
>>People already know Putin is garbage >Do they?>When it comes to pro-Ukrop libs I talk almost exclusively about how NATO instigated this conflictseems contradictory. i think you are giving tourists the wrong impression. criticism happens within a party, united front in public. it would be different if this site had a mass line. i think criticism of putin is for russians in russia to do between themselves.
No.525699
>>525692Russian tanks are just x3
No.525702
>>525692whats with the z markings on those tanks?
No.525703
>>525698>Good communists do____ ad a moral code and don’t pay attention to material conditions A good communist knows which outcome is better for their interests
No.525704
>>525697This isn't a political party, it's a communist image bord. Opposition to NATO isn't controversial here, support for Putin is.
No.525705
>>525700then you initiated a very valuable discussion, you fuck
No.525706
>>525692I hope they enter the city by tonight.
All these weapon flows from NATO are making me nervous.
No.525708
>>525667I do, I am one of the most active video/photo poster of the conflict.
see:
>>525692>>525639>>525599 I want people to just shut up and pass through meaningless dicussions. And if you accuse Russia of shit, go outside and your revolutionary shit, instead.
No.525709
>>525702Russian have those and its the military district. Z is Eastern District & Donbas.
Both have similar tanks so it was smart to make them distinguished.
No.525713
>>525672Are they a different kind of molotov or something? Seeing in the past tons of just armored police vehicles roll uninterrupted through molotovs makes me think they do nothing.
No.525714
What exactly do the Z's mean?
No.525715
>>525675Really seems like Putin has torpedoed any chance of driving a wedge between the EU and US here, which frankly would have been far more damaging to NATO than taking Ukraine.
No.525716
>>525714Zee these nuts lmao gottem
No.525717
>>525703A good Good* communist knows which sides brings better conditions critically supports it's efforts but doesn't "pick" a side.
No.525719
>>525713Vehicles have come a long way since 39.
No.525722
>>525694Is Christiania that freaky?
No.525723
>>525713>makes me think they do nothingThat's because they don't do anything. A T-72 is literally designed to fight on an irradiated nuclear battlefield. You really think a bottle of burning gasoline will stop it?
No.525724
>>525710nta but suck my dick
No.525725
>>525703explain how a war waged by the rich for the class interests of the rich benefits the proletariat
No.525726
Why is Russia?
No.525728
>>790538
>Ukraine does not have nuclear weapons
"Never believe a rumor until the government denies it." This is all the proof I need.
No.525730
>>525726Because revisionists
We should have never let them exist
No.525731
>>525725Uhm, shelling of the two republics that already killed 14k people stops? I'm pretty sure that's good for the proletariat.
No.525734
>>525731what does this even mean
No.525736
>>525731You could have stopped the shelling without going to
the throat Kiev.
No.525738
>>525734Ukranian nazis killed 14,000 people in Donetsk&Luhansk the last 8 years via indiscriminate shelling. This will stop. Ukraine will also be denazified. How does that not help the Ukranian proletariat?
No.525739
>>525708Sorry for accusing you then.
I'm just tired of 75% of the thread being shitflinging while no one knows what the fuck is going on at the frontline and the only info sources glow like supernovas.
No.525741
>>525715There was no chance of doing that lmao
No.525742
>>525736>You could have stopped the shelling without going toAbsolutely not. They would just retreat and come back weeks later. Stop being an idealist moron, ffs.
No.525743
>>525715he has waited but out Green-"Red" goverment has made it delusional
No.525744
>>525742>Absolutely not. They would just retreat and come back weeks later. Stop being an idealist moron, ffs.Easy, have military presence in the popular republics as a peacekeeping operation. If the Ukrops keep shelling, then you have a casus belli.
No.525745
>>525485>Why do people unironically defend the Russian imperialist war in UkraineThis war is a reckoning for imperialism and its use of nationalism to divide and control the region.
No.525747
>>525738do you really believe that the goal of this war is 'denazification' when the only real opposition to fascism is socialism and fascism is inherently allied to all forms of capital and imperialism unless it directly threatens the profit interest of the capitalist class
No.525748
>>525715That's not even the problem.
For now the priority is in crushing Ukrainian Army ASAP before the country turns into an unmanageable Somalia-tier trainwreck.
No.525749
>>525744>If the Ukrops keep shelling, then you have a casus belli.already happened, you weren't paying attention
No.525750
>>525741Sush! Putin has to be a
good boy and measure Russia's agression by NATO's interests. Anything else hurts the proletariat.
No.525751
>>525749>already happened, you weren't paying attentionIt didn't tho.
No.525752
>>525738>Ukraine will also be denazifiedRussia is not even denazified.
No.525753
>>525747Could you ask a more loaded question like how your father keeps raping kids in dark alleys but it doesn't seem to bother you?
No.525754
I like when europeanoids pretend they were totally going to protect their own interests this time and not screw themselves for a US propaganda victory. sorry it just became too hard there were sooooo many posts on Twitter we had no choice lol
No.525756
>>525752it was the Lib leader marching every year with the skinheads, as their leader
No.525759
>>525754This.
The propaganda barrage of NATO in this is truly fucking overwhelming.
Never seen a propaganda flood with such power and intensity.
No.525760
>>525752looooooooooooooooooool sabotard has gone far. Russia is nazi nooooooooowww nooooooo
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Tell me you are a liberal without telling me you are a liberal LOOOOOOL
No.525762
>>525751Both sides violated Minsk an enormous number of times and lied about it, recently there absolutely was shelling by both sides before the invasion, but they'll both say it was defensive
No.525763
>>525752>Russia is not even denazified.This, the project was decommunization, it sounded like a joke but it was true.
Reminder that Putin follows the ideology of this man who wrote "National Socialism. A New Spirit" in support of the takeover of Germany by Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin No.525764
>>525738We'll see. What if Russia is in economic turmoil a year from now and Ukraine is even more Nazi than it already is? Would you say this conflict will have been worth it?
No.525766
>>525762>Both sides violated Minsk an enormous number of times and lied about it, recently there absolutely was shelling by both sides before the invasion, but they'll both say it was defensiveThere were no peacekeeping operations done by the russians at that point tho.
No.525767
>>525674“Peaceful means” is a noncommittal statement
No.525768
Ukraine is about to pull a Hezbollah on the Russians. Change my mind.
No.525769
>>525766Ok but if you think that would have stopped the shelling or created a casus belli that the West recognized then that's silly
No.525770
>>525761I'm not saying it's not an argument. I'm saying that posing heavily loaded question to someone indicates you are not there for an honest discussion, so suck your own dick and entertain yourself while the rest of the adults have grown up discussions.
No.525771
How much time until war is over and Ukraine falls?
No.525773
>>525769>Ok but if you think that would have stopped the shelling or created a casus belli that the West recognized then that's sillyBut it would have been recognized by the russian populace and the NATO-sceptics inside of NATO countries.
Like, they already did this after the nagorno-karabakh war.
No.525774
>>525771two days probably when Kiev and Kharkov fall
No.525775
>>5257712 months, 6 months if the russians choke.
No.525776
>>525764>What IF Santa came down from Heaven and proved that the Christian God is real?I dunno, anon, but also I'm not interested.
No.525777
>>525752Why are people giving you (You)s for stating a fact that Russia has Nazis? But that's besides the point, Russia is run by ultra nationalists, not exactly adherents to Nazism but reactionary nonetheless. So why is it controversial to say this? I don't get it, I'm trying wrap my head around this.
No.525779
>>525760>Russia is nazi Not what I said. Russia actively supports far right movements all around Europe, including in Donbass. The notion that this is about "denazification" of Ukraine is absurd. Russia was perfectly willing to tolerate Russian ultranationalists, Tsarists, and Vlasovites, and other assorted scum fighting on its side in Donbass.
No.525780
>>525752As we speak Russian forces are actively in firefights with Azov, a battalion bearing an insignia of the white sun. I have no illusions that Putin has anti-nazi ideological purity but if he is successful in his other aims a denazification of Ukraine will surely follow. Or you believe the destruction of Azov and the repression of nazi ideology in Ukraine will not be among his demands? We will have to see, but I anticipate otherwise.
No.525783
>>525775HOW? They are already almost at Kiev's center.
No.525784
>>525773Ok but I'm not sure it matters much
No.525785
>>525771depends on wether ukrainian forces keep fighting after kiev falls
if so, this could go on for months
No.525786
>>525776What are you talking about?
No.525787
>>525771Ukraine will survive, two more weeks, trust the plan
No.525788
>>525783a lot of retards think ukrainians will fight an ebin resistance after all organization has fallen
No.525790
>>525783They don't have to surrender just because Kiev is taken. It's not that far from the Russian border anyways.
No.525792
>>525783Wars take time and they literally gave out thousands of weapons to civilians who are high on propaganda.
They might most of the city but there will still be a lot of pockets of resistance.
No.525793
>>525777In my view it is a matter of fact that Russia will destroy Azov and repress nazi sympathizers following their conquest. Not because of ideological purity on Russia's part, but I do think it will happen.
No.525796
>>525792 (me)
They might take most of the city but there will still be a lot of pockets of resistance.
No.525798
>>525777>Why are people giving you (You)s for stating a fact that Russia has Nazis?Because that's literally not what he says, you utter reading-comprehension challenged faggot.
Denazification happens when a country was ruled by nazis or nazis have played a role in holding power in that country, not when "country has nazis."
No.525799
>>525779Yeah the denazification is a propaganda point. So what?
Is a Russian controlled Ukraine better or worse than a NATO controlled Ukraine?
Because that's what's at stake here, one or the other. There is no peaceful solution because NATO has been escalating up to now.
No.525801
>>790690
>No mention of NATO shill #NotRealImperialism
0/10 apply yourself.
No.525802
>>525798Russia literally endorses solzhenitsyn and it is an obligatory read in highschool.
No.525805
>>525775Two days or two months are not much to escalate this into a greater conflict. Sad that hohols won't be able to hold much longer
No.525806
>>525771It will be over when:
>Zeleskyy either surrenders (most rational thing to do)>Zelenskyy gets arrested by Russia>Zelenskyy gets killed>Zelenskyy flees He can surrender at any moment, but he doesn't, knowing full well that Putin won't stop at this point untill he achieves his goal. But it seems that Zelenskyy enjoys the good PR and praise from Western media, so he rathers throws more civilians into the meatgrinder, while he talks a lot of big talk, demands NATO to intervene, all in his secured bunker aggitating Russia even more
No.525807
<Romania and Lithuania closed off airspace to russian airlines
Ratcheting tensions another little bit
No.525808
>>525779>Russia actively supports far right movements all around EuropeAh, yes, according to NED sources.
WHAT A FUCKING JOKE YOU ARE, SABOTARD No.525809
>>525794cringe
also old, ive seen that picture 2 days ago
No.525810
I am sincerely sorry for cyberbullying
No.525811
>>525793Remember that that is speculation. You don't know the exact plan and what those results will be.
No.525812
>>525805>Two days or two months are not much to escalate this into a greater conflictThe more time that passes the more possibilites that Finland wants to get into NATO and Russia invading them before it happens.
No.525813
>>525675>Russian troops need to accelerate IMHO, otherwise they could incur in unnecessary losses due to Ukraine being flooded with this kind of systems.No, the only thing these anti-tank weapons will achieve is poke the Russian military hard enough to make them take off the gloves and deploy mass heavy artillery. They are giving Ukrainians just enough weapons to maximize Ukrainian casualties, it's incredibly reckless.
No.525814
>>525779yeah no dude. we have some Hitlerites in the army, still Merkel was propably not a Nazi
No.525815
>>525802>obligatory read in highschool.not really true
t. russian
No.525816
>The Citizens' Initiative for Finland's Membership in NATO has passed the necessary threshold of 50,000 signatures and has been submitted to parliament for consideration.
OH GOD OH FUCK
No.525817
>>525816Time for two-front war lul
No.525818
>>525799Pro Russian Nazis controlled Ukraine won't be better than Pro NATO Nazis controlled Ukraine.
No.525819
>>525788Just… how… why? whom'st? Fucking ukranians started escaping the country by the millions hours after Putin attacked. They literally don't want to die for that corrupt, puppeted, nazi shithole.
Do these "epig resistance" faggots don't understand what a puppet regime is?
No.525820
>>525816its ok, the Finland borders are pretty good. what is fucking Finland wanting to do that the Baltics arent already.
No.525822
>>525799>Is a Russian controlled Ukraine better or worse than a NATO controlled Ukraine? Better in a very, very limited sense. However what's even better than that is for Russian communists to take this opportunity to direct the pressures of war and sanctions in order to intensify class conflict and strengthen a militant worker's movement opposing all bourgeois wars. The same is true for Ukraine and the West. I will concede that now that the war has begun, a swift Russian victory is the best likely outcome, but that doesn't mean I think Putin is any less of a bloodsucker than his counterparts in the West.
No.525824
>>525594Pro-Ukraine, because I oppose imperialism.
No.525825
>>525816This means nothing. Parliament will reject the proposal like with all these addresses.
No.525826
>>525821I hate this retard
does he really think the ua stands a chance?
No.525827
>>525816To be fair, Finland is as close to Moscow as Poland is, perhaps Poland is even closer. Chill.
No.525829
>>525808Have you ever wondered why almost every actual Nazi in the West supports Putin? Go look at /pol/ and see where their sympathies lie.
No.525830
>>525821Can Agent Kochinski seriously shut the fuck up and touch grass. Like really man get a life.
No.525831
>>525804>but to pretend that Putin seriously has any opposition to fascism is ridiculous.Your reading comprehension is truly abominable:
<I have no illusions that Putin has anti-nazi ideological purityMoreover you bring up irrelevant factors. Do you or do you not believe the destruction of Azov battalion and repression will follow the Russian conquest? Is this or is this not a form of denazification?
No.525832
>>525827Finland is really close to Saint Petersburg tho.
No.525833
>>525802>nazism is when some kids have to learn anti-communist literatureSo basically all countries except AES are nazis. Are we really going to play this game? Rendering terms meaningless?
No.525836
>>525832thats literally why it was moved
No.525837
>>525832150km from our border. It would be a pity if something would happen in the homecity of midget-in-chief.
No.525838
>>525816Let those who dwell here in his favored land attend now to the words of the Prophet of
Atom!
Let the men, women, and children of the Earth come forth to gather and witness the power of
Atom! Behold! He is coming with the clouds! And every eye shall be blind with his glory! Every ear shall be stricken deaf to hear the thunder of his voice!
Give your bodies to
Atom, my friends. Release yourself to his power, feel his
Glow, and be
Divided. There shall be no tears, no sorrow, no suffering, for in the
Division, we shall see our release from the pain and hardships of this world. Indeed, your suffering shall exist no longer; it shall be washed away in
Atom's Glow, burned from you in the fire of his brilliance.
Atom, come bestow your presence on your unworthy servant!
Each of us shall give birth to a billion stars formed from the mass of our wretched and filthy bodies. Each of us shall be mother and father to a trillion civilizations. Each of us shall know peace, shall know an end to pain, and shall know
Atom in his glory! Merciful
Atom, I give unto you these feeble bones! I present to your will this frail body! I beg of you to use me as your vessel, guide me to your brilliance,
divide each particle and give relief to this rotten flesh. Cast the fragile form of this ephemeral shell into new life in the forge of your
Glow.
We stay true, until the
Day of Division until the dawn of His return to our humble world.
No.525839
>>525833in my country the far right nazi party third way gets combat training by the russian military every summer
No.525840
>>525806I hope he gets killed, Zelensky is actually the real culprit here and this whole shit wouldn't have happened if he wasn't around.
No.525841
>>525827>>525836Finland in NATO is still a red line for Russia.
Don't underestimate its relevance.
No.525842
>>525831>Is this or is this not a form of denazification?It's a pretty empty form when it leaves intact the Russian nazis fighting on Putin's side. Besides, in the long term I can't see how this will lead to the defeat of Azov and their ilk. Putin already says he is not going to occupy the country, and being invaded will just cause Ukrainians to flock towards ultranationalist groups.
No.525843
>>525835same energy as ben n jerry icecream
No.525844
>>525829EU nazis also support Israel. I guess that proves that Israel pays them.
Fucking retard pseud.
No.525845
>>525833>>nazism is when some kids have to learn anti-communist literatureNazism, and fascism for that matter, is literally just anti-communism. Fascism takes different forms in every country and it might antagonize other countries fascism, e.g Poland.
No.525846
>>525811Yes, I have no crystal ball. But if Putin had his way, if NATO could not prevent it, I do believe he intends the destruction of Azov and the repression of nazi ideology within Ukraine. Unles it i not true, this must be taken into consideration.
No.525848
>>525844>I guess that proves that Israel pays them.They probably do lol.
No.525850
>>525839gonna need sources for that
No.525851
>>525752>The Atlantic Council (AC), the “semi-official think tank of NATO” that has championed a new Cold War with Russia, is well known for influence peddling. The Council has been connected to several Ukrainian oligarchs, namely Victor Pinchuk, who founded the Yalta European Strategy (YES) conference in 2004 to promote Ukraine’s membership in the European Union; Rinat Akhmetov, formerly the chief financial backer of the pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych, chased from Ukraine by protests hijacked by the far-right and triggered by his decision not to sign an association agreement with the EU in 2013; and Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder and president of Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian gas company that Hunter Biden infamously joined the board of soon after Yanukovych’s government was swept from power in 2014.
>Also evidently attempting to influence the United States government’s Ukraine policy via the Atlantic Council is what remains of the WW2-era pro-Nazi Ukrainian fascist leader Stepan Bandera’s postwar transnational underground network. Relatively few seem to realize, let alone appreciate, the extent to which the crypto-fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists-Bandera (OUN-B) operates in 21st century Ukraine and especially the Ukrainian diaspora. Bandera’s sworn followers above all appear to exert influence in the Atlantic Council via the Center for US-Ukrainain Relations, more than likely an OUN-B front, and the Banderite-led Ukrainian World Congress, which officially partnered with the Atlantic Council in 2014 to implement the latter’s “Ukraine in Europe Initiative.”
>The CIA didn’t back Bandera, but nevertheless whitewashed his wartime followers and helped facilitate, if only indirectly, his cultish supporters’ takeover of the Ukrainian diaspora during the Cold War via the OUN-B’s Organizations of the Ukrainian Liberation Front. This postwar coalition of Banderite NGOs formally united internationally as the World Ukrainian Liberation Front after the 1967 creation of the World Congress of Free Ukrainians, what is now called the Ukrainian World Congress (UWC). The “Liberation Front,” which is today technically a member of the UWC, has adopted numerous names after the collapse of the Soviet Union, including the Organizations of the Ukrainian State Front, the Coordination Council of State Organizations in Ukraine, and the World Conference of Ukrainian State Organizations, but these days it is best known in English as the International Council in Support of Ukraine (ICSU).
>In the meantime, the Banderites have led the Ukrainian World Congress at least since 1998, when Askold Lozynskyj, a conniving attorney and OUN-B operative in the US for the past several decades, became its leader. After his 10-year term as UWC president ended in 2008, he became the chairman of the ICSU, the global coordinating body of OUN-B affiliated NGOs, which are also UWC members. “There isn't a politician in the United States,” Lozynskyj declared in 1997, “who will ignore or would ignore the Ukrainian American community or the issues which the Ukrainian community holds dear.” That has only become more true, but few if any US politicians appear to be cognizant of the Banderites’ co-opting of the organized Ukrainian American community.[…] https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/bandera-and-the-atlantic-council No.525852
>>525780Azov are a convenient, obvious excuse. Of course they'll be slaughtered even as nazis are allowed to breed at home. This isn't even remotely a new phenomenon.
No.525853
>>525808Front National
Lega Norde
FPO
No.525854
>>525842youre accting as if 2 crazy dudes (or let it be 100) are the same as a 10-20k army thats completely integrated into the Ukraninan forces. Youre incredibly idealistic - its hurting
No.525855
I support Putin in it's anti-imperialist war against NATO.
No.525857
>>525842Whether Putin has the power to achieve denazification is an altogether separate claim than whether he intends to pursue it. Anyway I have such contempt for your ability to follow arguments, as revealed by your complete misapprehension of my clearly-stated position demonstrated earlier, that I am disinterested in further discussion.
No.525858
>>525841I think Russia already counterweighted all these outcomes before invading Ukraine. Also, Fins arent a bunch or nazi antiRussian stooges (for now). From the sanctions, from NATO joining members. These were all previsible.
No.525859
>>525855finally youve found to the light
No.525860
>>525804It is funny that there's never more than like a dozen people in these pictures. Wow much fascism!
No.525861
>>525855>it'shis pronouns are they/him
No.525862
>>525852The question was not whether Putin achieving his aims entails a denazification of Russia but of Ukraine.
No.525863
>>525853Lega Nord has completely been overtaken by pro NATO politicians as of at the very least 2020 if not earlier.
No.525864
>>525826No but he knows the US will swear bloody vengeance and NATO propaganda will declare victory all the same. So from his perspective there is no losing.
Except all the Ukranians who will be promoted to heroes in the process. And their country's infrastructure. And their living standards once NATO sanctions the fuck out of the Russian or """neutral""" government.
No.525865
>>525863unironically stinks like GLADIO
No.525867
>>525865Just cold hard money anon, nothing personal for them they're center right clowns.
No.525868
>>525854It's not just a few crazy dudes, far right movements have been a persistent problem in Russia since the fall of the USSR. Far right movements all around Europe sing Putin's praises. Again, to expect any serious "denazification" from him is a joke. He will smash Azov in the short term while fuelling their growth in the long term, as well as doing little to nothing against fascist movements in his own country.
No.525869
>>525759Anon, this propaganda war was exactly what the NATO thinktanks were preparing for for decades now.
If you go on Reddit, it would seem like Russians are getting pushed back all the way to Moscow because of the sheer of propaganda that is dropped onto Reddit and other social media, while in reality Biden said Kiev is going to fall within the next couple of days.
No.525870
>>525853>the title is a questionAre you retarded or do you presume that I am? Because I'm not.
No.525871
>>525715I mean, its still early, not sure germans will like having their energy skyrocket either….
No.525873
>>790773
can wait for the edit when Russian tanks are in Maidan
No.525874
>>525846I 'believe' that the Putin and the Russian state are not bound by ideology and so denazification is purely propaganda whether they destroy the Azov battalion or not. To believe as such is to engage in fantasy. This is pure geopolitik, only right now there's a ton of fog of war and misinfo. War time muddies information in the fog of ideology and propaganda, something Kautskyites and other opportunist chauvinists took advantage of during WW1.
No.525877
Okay, hear me out. I really dislike the tone you guys throw at me. I will be completely honest about one thing. I have a common learning disability. There I said it. So please, if you disagree with me, be polite and patient. Thank you.
No.525879
>>525863Far rightists are stinky weasels who switch allegiance like they change clothes, but that's still doesn't change the fact the Russian state have no misgiving supporting them whenit suits them, which means seeing Putinist oligarchy as white knights Nazi slayers is a completely delusional.
No.525880
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No.525884
>>525868>as well as doing little to nothing against fascist movements in his own country.They are already mobilising like they did in 2014. Fascist marches are expected to meet no resistance from the police
No.525885
>>525882lel can't wait until chechens start annihilating mossaduyghurs
No.525886
>>525880>>525877Now that's just mean, come on.
No.525887
>>525880Do you want to suck my cock?
No.525888
>>525880Is this the full power of Putinism?
No.525890
>>525884they were organized by Navalny….
No.525891
>>525868>It's not just a few crazy dudes, far right movements have been a persistent problem in Russia since the fall of the USSR.The difference being:
<in russia, if you are a nazi and beat up a lesbian couple and get caught for it you get sentenced and spend years in prison>in ukraine if you are a nazi and kill trade unionists or civilians you get away with it
>Far right movements all around Europe sing Putin's praises.That's not Russia's fault. Take care of your own retards.
No.525892
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No.525893
>>525890Navalny stopped this shit in 2009 or 2010, fascists he tried to align with are hating him now
No.525894
>>790793
doubt this is recent, the video looks like it's filmed with a cheap camera from 15 to 20 years ago.
No.525895
>>525891>>525891<in russia, if you are a nazi and beat up a lesbian couple and get caught for it you get sentenced and spend years in prisonUnless you want to go fight in Donbass in which case the Russian government will give you weapons and training.
No.525897
>>525895Remember when Russian Foreign Ministry threw a tantrum after Americans declared Russian Imperial Movement terrorist for training neo-nazis? Still don't understand PR side of this thing.
No.525898
>>525882>azovites and zionists against Russians and muslimswhat the hell is this war
No.525899
>>525898Yugoslavian clusterfuck was similar
No.525900
>>525895I think you are being disingenuous or are you are extremely ignorant about the history of this situation.
No.525901
>>525838Did you write this? because it's neato and Google returns nothing.
>>525839your country is ghey
No.525902
>>525874Okay, it appears we have nearly the exact same position. In fact I have a reasonably high estimation of your opinions compared to others in this thread. The difference between us is that I believe that Azov battalion and nazi elements in Ukraine are, since 2014, mortal enemies of Putin and that he is intent on killing them. I don't think it is necessary that Putin's ideology be principally anti-fascist or anti-nazi for this to occur.
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>>525674>Talichads standing shoulder to shoulder with the Ukrainian people, while still being anti-NATOHow can they be so based?
No.525905
new thread when, are the fbi done reading our chats
No.525906
>>525372timeless shitpost
No.525907
Hello I am Sabo-Cat poster. If you want to debate me please give me 5$ and you will have your blood sport.
No.525908
>>525907can you find me a date for 10$
No.525909
>>525907I want to kiss you sabby…
No.525910
>>525909FUCK OFF SHE'S MINE BITCH
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>>525910Ewww, she's a girl?
No.525912
>>525862Probably, it just seems like an effect of opportunism than anything though.
No.525913
>>525911Bless the gays
Love you guys, no homo
I hope they keep breeding you guys in the secret lab in Siberia
No.525916
Even though Russia will win, I don't think Putin was expecting this kind of international blowback. He's a bit of a smoothbrain, isn't he? You don't need to conquer Ukraine to keep them from joining NATO, you've already blocked that from happening with the annexation of Crimea.
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>>525895There's not really any equivalency. Donbas doesn't have local fascists movements unlike west Ukraine (which are integrated into the state) and it only has foreign volunteers after it was attacked for seceding unlike west Ukraine. Donbas did not coup the government and launch war against another region. It did not vote for fascist parties or push out its leftists unlike Maidan and its anarchists. Its ideology is not a threat to other ethnicities. It's based on calling forth anyone who would defend against the much harsher reaction to pro-Russian protests. West Ukraine developed a deeper ideology about the sources of corruption, oligarchy, cultural conflict in the nation.
No.525918
>>525916He tried for the last 8 years to get security guarantees, they wouldn't even recognize that Ukrainian Nato membership would be a security risk to Russia. Putin just ran out of patience when they did preemptive sanctions, when the Russian troops did exercises near the border. This is a war that Nato started 8 years ago and recently Nato also escalated it. The US invaded Ukraine in 2014 with CIA operations and overthrew the Ukrainian government.
No.525919
What's the best case scenario here? Be creative
No.525921
>>525611>where does the Arab world stand in this conflictjust enjoying the high oil prices
No.525922
>>525920>He fell for the retarded ghost of kiev hoaxImagine my shock.
No.525923
>>525920Theres no way this guy doesn't receive at least some sort of compensation from the state department
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