first
It's happening
3th
In before the putlerites and the natofash
>>787864
Some think that he actually started to believe all this Donbass genocide bullshit and really sees himself as a liberator from nazis. I still prefer material explanation.
>>530148NATO bombings did stop a genocide though
Dmitri back with new commentary on war
Dmitri Trenin
@DmitriTrenin
Carnegie Moscow Center’s Director.
>Implications of what’s happening in #Ukraine will be wide-ranging.End of post-Soviet era for RUS.Lost lands to be gathered again.RUS world to take form of geopolitical unit. At home:Conservatism to prevail,vestiges of liberalism/globalism to be purged.Much more reliance on China.https://twitter.com/DmitriTrenin/status/1497478604694958086?s=20&t=58WyEtKkYOTQy7IjcfZA7whttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Trenin>>530145From what I recall he surrounds himself with nationalists so he might believe in the idealistic shit
Washington funded org: Neither Washington nor Moscow!
>>530145it was a dril tweet
>>530148Serbs bombed Kosovo civs
Ukrops shelled Donbass civs for 8 years
In fact there's a documentary about it on RT America right now.
>>530141To this day idk why people would post a 1993 article way before putin ruled to show his views
>>530150Chomsky:
>And to call that genocide, is really to insult the victims of the holocaust, you know, if that's genocide than the whole world is covered with genocide. >>530153So china is a Washington funded org?
>>530150If that was a genocide what the holhols were doing to the donbass was a genocide
https://youtu.be/RmYyGhxU1fw >>530160Chomsky really has some hot takes on genocide, indeed. He made a lot of these in the seventies.
>>530153
>You need to reach Holocaust levels or it isn't a genocide I see why Chomsky thought Pol pot wasn't that bad
The reporting from the belligerents sucks so bad, i get the feeling we won't have a decent estimate for casualties until the war is over.
>>530170> i get the feeling we won't have a decent estimate for casualties until the war is over.Uhh, welcome to the war.
>>530167Why didn't these tough guys join the army? They sure can bully one unarmed captive.
Meanwhile the boys who surrendered on Snake Island are getting snacks and water.
I think another question that the clapping seals that we call Putinoids need to ask themsevles is this - what fucking ending do you even see for Putin's Russia? Because you are actually retarded if you think the country won't hit the absolute shitter due to all the sanctions and popular uproar against the war (but more importantly uproar against declining quality of life). Best hope is he dies naturally fast. But personally I will enjoy watching you bloodthirsty ideology-poisoned subhumans cry when liveleaks show us Putin getting the Mussolini treatment.
>>530166The word does directly invoke the holocaust
>>530164He goes on:
>In fact it's kind of striking; right at the same time the Western intellectuals were praising themselves for their magnificent humanitarianism, much worse atrocities were going on right across the border, in Turkey. That's inside NATO, not at the borders of NATO… "how can we allow this on the borders of NATO,"… but how about inside NATO where Turkey was carrying, had driven probably several million Kurds out of their homes, destroyed about 3500 villages laid waste the whole place, every conceivable form of torture and massacre you can imagine, killed nobody knows how many people, we don't count our victims, tens of thousands of people, how they were able to do that? The reason is because they were getting 80% of their arms from Clinton and as the atrocities increased, the arms flow increased. In fact in one single year, 1997, Clinton sent more arms to Turkey than the entire Cold War period combined! Up until the counter-insurgency. >>530174>grillpillabsolutely soy and lib
>>530174You retard lib still think taht critically supporting russia means supporting putin?
>DM: Let me just read something that you said in an interview around the time of the bombing. You said that “the term “genocide” as applied to Kosovo is an insult to the victims of Hitler. In fact, it’s revisionist to an extreme.” What did you mean by that?
>NC: First of all let me just fix the timing. The things I’ve been quoting are from the late nineties.
>DM: Before Kosovo.
>NC: Yeah. Now, they needed some event to justify this massive self-adulation, OK? Along came Kosovo fortunately and so now they had to stop genocide. What was the genocide in Kosovo? We know from the Western documentation what it was. In the year prior to the bombing, according to Western sources about two thousand people were killed, the killings were distributed, a lot of them were coming in fact according to British government, which was the most hawkish element of the Alliance, up until January 1999 a majority of killings came from the KLA guerillas who were coming in as they said, you know, to try to incite a harsh Serbian response, which they got, in order to appeal to Western humanitarians to bomb. We know from the Western records that nothing changed between January and March, in fact up until March 20 they indicate nothing. March 20th they indicate an increase in KLA attacks. But, it was ugly but by international standards it was almost invisible unfortunately and it was very distributed. If the British are correct, the majority was coming from the KLA guerillas.
>DM: And as it later turned out the KLA was also receiving financial and military support.
>NC: They were being supported by CIA in those months. And to call that genocide, is really to insult the victims of the holocaust, you know, if that’s genocide than the whole world is covered with genocide.https://chomsky.info/20060425/>>530170This is what happened in the Nagorno war two years ago. Azerbaijannies didn't release any casualty number until afterward.
There were also a ton more videos of casualties, soldiers getting shelled, drone footage of tanks getting ATGMed and just evidence in general.
Of course, the MSM was ignoring it instead of manufcaturing a massive atrocity panic like now.
>>530174this is your guy
>>530176 >>530180It was the most egregious during the tigrayan war, Ethiopia claimed only a single civilian died despite the massive wave of traumatized refugees.
>>530183This driver is based as fuck, probably trained by the CIA
>>530183>tanks stopped on road for whatever reasonTROOPS ARE STARVING, RUSSIA RAN OUT OF OIL, UKRAINIAN TROOPS SURROUNDED MOSCOWfucking hell, dude
>>530185Guy in truck asks the soldiers why they stopped. They say they're out of fuel.
>>530183no markings on the tanks, are they actually russian?
>>530192Mfw russia still hasn't sent I it's full troops
>>530186Kek they're waiting for the fuel trucks to move up.
>>530184He definitely glows.
>just happens to be driving along filming in his nice car>gets all friendly with the soldiers, what's up bros, asks them what's up, where they headedFaggot should be shot as a spy
>>530187Definitely one half of what Russia wants, but the other half is demilitarization and that's not going to be easily agreed to (though they should and stop the wasted life and resources)
>>530137I have a feeling that there is no war. We've seen very little footage of combat. Most of it is from prior conflicts. I feel like this isn't actually an invasion. Just a military skermish.
>>530193Now that they amped up the war that much it will be difficult to stop though
SLOSHED AS FUCK BOYS
eating some mf dank thai food rn, wondering wtf I missed. any big happenings that happened in the past 6 hours? o rjust mroe boring same old same odl???
>>530201You will accept ze neoliberalism
>>530197>tfw you have a comedian running the armed forces the jokes
literally write themselves
>>530201Leeeeel as if the Iranians and Norks didn't know already
>>530183Do retards realize this means Russians are advancing so quickly they have to stop while resupplying? This isn't a good thing for Ukraine lmao
>>530201They should accept demilitarization because this is the reality
>>530193He's fighting for optics and PR
Think of the Nielsen ratings!
>>530197Yeah, so, "Russian saboteurs" are the new (((them))).
>>530193Nevertheless, he persisted
RTasbmilitary post random tweet with no link and taken 100% as fact here
Comedy
is it just me or is ualive Ukraine/western biased?
Suddenly this board becomes more pro russia during russian day hrs
Hmmm
>>530215>>530216The duality of man
They might both be propaganda but the westoid one is more cringe
>>530187should've said that sooner
>>530219I told you bro
I warned you fam
>>530217>day hrsMoscow time?
Biden orders $600mn in aid to UkraineThe package would include $350mn in military assistance
https://www.rt.com/russia/550679-biden-600mn-aid-ukraine/keep fighting, ukrain bros
we love the spectacle here in the west, we need that sweet anti-russia propaganda material
>We did it. Cyprus confirmed it will not block the decision to ban Russia from SWIFT. Ukrainian diplomacy keeps working 24/7 to achieve important decisions and protect Ukraine from Russian invaders.Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine
https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1497496218359898116?s=20&t=e8lmitr2rOukDGBxsP0RTQ >>530224>duct tape over eyesdude
>>530224Name/assignment, shit like that. Didn't catch most of it.
>>530219I mean yeah they already knew that, this just solidifies it. The thing is that the US has never wanted these countries to denuclearize they just don't like having countries they can't invade.
>>530224He's asked about his name, some other stuff (idk maybe his unit?" and then at last his address.
However my Russian is super rudimentary, so I understand maybe 15% lel.
>>530224The guys asking something about their family. "anything to say to your mama and papa" or something like that. I need to continue my Russian studies…..
>>530227>meme country of 1 million pplnow to convince Germany, Italy, and Hungary
>>530222jesus christ, ik i'm drunk af and also high af but i'm in tears at this shit bros. nobody should have to live through this shit, life is already suffering as it is…
>>530228B-but the Belgrade bombings
>>530224>second video>sitting upright at the start then settles into his hunched position as if getting into characterWell I don't speak Russian but it's more believable than the one the confirmed fake that was going around earlier.
>>530227I dare them to kick russia out of swiff so dedolarization will rise
May the patrolman dollar be the future
> Russia demanded major news outlets to delete "unreliable information" about ongoing military denazification operation
> On these resources, under the guise of reliable messages, there is unreliable socially significant information that does not correspond to reality about the shelling of Ukrainian cities by the RF Armed Forces and the death of civilians in Ukraine as a result of the actions of the Russian army, as well as materials in which the ongoing operation is called an attack, an invasion, or a declaration of war.
>>530229That could technically be a (minor) violation of the Geneva Conventions which is supposed to protect prisoners against "intimidation and against insults and public curiosity" which was written up back in the day when parading prisoners around was a thing.
>>530239>ColonelKek, I love how he doesn't aim for more
>>530240May the petroyuan dollar I mean
>>530242You don't need to abide by the Geneva Convention if you arm random citizens.
>>530236Egoist
<caring about life suffering Will Ukraine go on trial for warcrimes?
>>530249No. Only bad guys and nazis like Putin go on trial for warcrimes. CNN told me.
>>530228Straight up disinfo account.
How do you guys fall for this type of shit and buy it
You say you are aware of all propaganda then believe this
>>530249Only Russia would do that, the West refuses to even acknowledge Ukrainian war crimes.
>>530242it's actually the second prisoner i've seen with the tape over the eyes, have the other saved somewhere ill see if i can dig it up
>>530256Makes sense, the Soviets actually punished German war criminals while the West recruited them.
>>530256War crimes are for loosers and rivals even though everybody do it
>>530258someone post the pig version
>>530249russia has said zelensky will be put before a tribunal
type 123 for quick russian victory over ukrops lads
123
https://vm.ru/news/949809-medvedev-zayavil-o-vozmozhnosti-vozvrasheniya-smertnoj-kazni-posle-vyhoda-rf-iz-soveta-evropyMedvedev announced that sanctions are a good opportunity to reinstate capital punishment "to eliminate dangerous criminals, like the US and China do".
>>530264whos the fella in the middle
>>530197Maybe the real saboteurs were in us this whole time!
>>530266Lukashenko's son and his predicted successor
>>530266Heir to the Belarus throne
>>530270predicted by whom?
>>530252half the people ITT are just repeating what RT says anyway
>>530264Why does lukashenkos son look like a Chad while his father looks like a middle-aged overweight bomb seller
>>530273Probably because RT's coverage has been honest throughout as opposed to the Western media?
>>530266Ah yes the peacekeeping operation
>>530275you will look like your parents when you get older, trust me
>>530236Meanwhile in Kiev
The Russians are being surprisingly merciful and gentlr considering what the Kievan regime has been doing to the Donetsk region over the last 8 years
>>530178whats the point of critically supporting Russia?
whats the benefit or use?
air raid sirens on the DW stream
>>530279The video starts with the guy saying it's February 24. They weren't there yet
>>530282Also it's fun to note that the son is also named Nikolai Alexandrovich
Lots of genocide deniers in the Western media right now.
>>530288What genocide is going on
>>530288Never forget the Donetsk genocide of 2014-2022 by Volodolf Zelenskler
>>530288I don't think current situation can be considered genocide. Russian forces are surely committing some war crimes, but calling everything genocide is just childish.
>>530287>VDV>Lvovi can make up fake slav words too, you know…
bzvd
vdrnke
zmrlzina
>>530270Who tf is lushenko? Some Soviet boomer who wants power and you guys are memeing him as le based guy?
>>530286Were they making mail-order bride jokes? Based if so, send them to re-education camps.
>>530295*has power
>>530286incelicide
>>530293Cultural genocide is the stupidest phrase, I've heard
I'm committing territorial genocide right now of the poop from my guts
>>530295What "you guys" are you talking about? Surely not Belarusian socialists beaten up for opposition towards his regime.
>This is the beginning of a new page in the history of our states 🇺🇦 🇮🇹. #MarioDraghi in a phone conversation supported Russia's disconnection from SWIFT, the provision of defense assistance. Ukraine must become part of the #EU.-zelensky president of Ukraine
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497502946480869378?s=20&t=N1-PIe_tJdgE_UnpW-UQiQ >>530294Russian paratroopers in Lvov, the heart of Ukrainian nationalism. There, better now?
>>530201>omg the west has just led us to the slaughter and it seems like they never gave a fuck about whether we lived or died and were just using us as a pawn in their great power game. lightbulb moment
>>530264Aaaaaa look at their old-man shoes
These are the men cucking the greatest geopolitical alliance to ever exist on the face of the earth
>>530293I mean anti-Russian "genocide" in Ukraine for the last 8 years. Denying a genocide is by default absolutely evil according to western MSM (see chinese yoghurts). Hence the hilarious nature of current reporting, both hysterical about Ukraine and genocide-denying at the same time.
>>530264jesus christ lukashenko's son is hot
>>530299Hnnngh….
But why do they make serving sizes no non-burgerfied person could eat at once? >>530310What genocide has been denied. Be specific
>>530300>Cultural genocide is the stupidest phrase, I've heard<Cultural genocide is the systematic destruction of traditions, values, language, and other elements that make one group of people distinct from another.Banning Russian language and education fits the definition, fyi.
>>530314the other two dont exist
Thoughts on this video? been making the rounds on social media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4>>530301>Surely not Belarusian socialists beaten up for opposition towards his regimenot saying luka is socialist but this is not an argument, there are retard socialists everywhere
>>530316Everyone is doing genocide everywhere then.
>>530319This makes me want to play s.t.a.l.k.e.r.
>>530320>there are retard socialists everywhereYes, some are even defending Putin in this thread.
>>530315The killing of Russians in east Ukraine by Ukranian neonazis. I'm not claiming it's a genocide, Russia made the accusation, the West is denying it. I'm just laughing because "genocide denial" is usually something the West accuses the critics of Western "humanitarian interventions".
>>530323This confirms that Russian IL76 did, in fact, survive and dropped soldiers to the West of Kiev.
reading ualive makes it seem that russia is losing. who's winning brehs?
>>530319Z bros, we got too cocky
>>530328Wait, are they denying the existence of some atrocities or are they correctly claiming that there is no systematic persecution of Russians and Russophones?
>>530300Cultural Genocide is an extremely important component of genocide, i know people are extremely retarded nowadays but look up the actual origins of it. Genocide is not just killing a bunch of people who happen to be an ethnic group but a deliberate attempt to assimilate and wipe out an ethnic group of people.
>>530321Do you think CHAZ would have worked if they had Azov?
>>530319gotta deploy the excavators to the front lines
>>530330Russia will win eventually, just wait. Russia has more troops and more equipment and Ukrainian infrastructure is fucked.
>>530326you might have mistaken this site for reddit
>>530275Because "men age like wine" is a giga cope
>>530332actually nobody is denying anything, they are not even acknowledging russian claims because its clearly just one of many clumsy ad hoc pretenses for the current invasion. so why bother addressing it?
>>530337You might have mistaken this website for /Pol/ if you want to truly defend Putin
>>530332Not a single anti-Russian atrocity is ever mentioned at all, neither the existence of neo-nazis. At the same time they're responding to the Putin's "genocide" statement by just saying it's a lie, there's nothing to see there.
>>530332>correctly claiming that there is no systematic persecution of RussiansThey've been shelling Russians for 8 years indiscriminately and non-stop, killing 14,000 people in the process. If that's not "systematic" I don't know what is.
>>530341>>530343Well, that's fucked. Maybe Azov guys are going to become venerated freedom fighters.
>>530338Jesus, running around like a bunch of headless chickens
>>5303441) russians are a minority in the Donbas
2) it has not been non-stop and you know this
>>530347they cobbled together a half-dozen reasons in the last two weeks for the invasion, come on
>>530235Germany and Italy have been convinced according to latest news.
Only Hungary remains opposed rn.
>>530319are these russian or ukranian vehicles?
>>530338you are the (((saboteur)))
no, you are the (((saboteur)))
>>530352I haven't seen germany yet if u got a source drop it but Zelensky just confirmed Italy minutes ago
>This is the beginning of a new page in the history of our states 🇺🇦 🇮🇹. #MarioDraghi in a phone conversation supported Russia's disconnection from SWIFT, the provision of defense assistance. Ukraine must become part of the #EU.https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497502946480869378?s=20&t=N1-PIe_tJdgE_UnpW-UQiQ >>530338>Scientists Baffled By Country's Incredible Ability To Fuck Up Every Time>constant friendly fire>civilian casualtiesHave the Russians actually did
anything bad.
>>530319>>530353description i found on twitter
<Kherson region today. A column of Russian engineering support was destroyedhttps://nitter.net/xykyiv/status/1497494447285841923 Volodolf bros, did we get too genocidal
Oh Ukraine's a very funny place sir!
Its a strange and a troubled land!
And the hohols are a very funny race, sir
Every woman's in yellow and blue
Every doggies fot a bi-colour ribbon
Strung firmly to its tail
And it wouldn't be surprising
If there'd be a genocide
Said the ginger from the RT
Every bird upon my word
Singing Yo Ho, I'm an Azov
Every hen in jail is laying out AKs
Over there sir, I do declare sir
And every old cock in the farmyard stock
Singing triumph to OUN
And it wouldn't be surprising
If there'd be a genocide
Said the ginger from the RT
Oh the other day I travelled down to Kiev
I spied an old boreen
Such a bunch of busy gooses there, sir
Waving swastikas in the wind
They were marching to the German goostep
And whistling Westerwaldt
And every time I showed up
They would shoot me as a yeoman
Said the ginger from the RT
Oh the whole place is seething with fascism
It's Azov through and through
All the boys are joining up to be recruited
And the passphrase's Bandera too
Well the OUN just sent me
A blown up kindergarden in the mail
And I'm shaking in my shoes as I'm presenting the news
Said the ginger from the RT
>>530359Let's shell Ukrainian cities to genocide these vile russkies!
>>530349If you are going to bait, be more subtle next time.
Supposed anarchist journalist simping for a state leader is so insane to me. But he works for belingcat so maybe that explains it.
>>530353Z Marked, so likely Russian
>>530349>1) russians are a minority in the DonbasFake.
<Modern Donbas is a predominately Russophone region. According to the 2001 census, Russian is the main language of 74.9% of residents in Donetsk Oblast and 68.8% in Luhansk Oblast.There's no different ukrainian and russian "ethnicities" only two languages. What's written on your ID literally doesn't matter. Like 95% voted to leave Ukraine
>2) it has not been non-stop and you know thisOkay, they had hiatuses for some weeks during 8 years.
>>530360Your position on everything is basically nato usa lesser evil.
>>530333there's clearly been a systematic push to 'de-Russify' Ukraine with language and culture and historical revision (that we all had to start calling the capital "Keev" for some reason eight years ago, is just one small example of this). Combine this with the years of attacks on ethnic Russian Ukranians in the east who want independence from such a government, it starts arguably creeping into a form of genocide, though also arguably not. But if Xinjiang is a genocide, well….
>>530356>Ukraine must become part of the #EU.INCREDIBLE
Can you give me Donbass war casualties by year? I want to check the dynamics
>>530372probably some russian language site will have the statistics, not too sure about english
>>530373>God I hate glowies, your international rules based order is collapsing, this won't work for much longer.can we just be there already? i'm getting super annoyed with this shit
>>530374Yeah he even released a podcast episode excusing Ukraine's Nazi battalions.
>>530374This is Idriss Deby erasure, the absolute Chad and I will not put up with it
>>530356Ukraine will never be part of EU and NATO, this is just more self-serving rhetoric by impotent europeans.
Russians are in Brody (western Ukraine) attacking Nato supplies to Ukraine
>>530385I'm sorry but they are not correct in this.
I haven't seen germany leaders agree on swift yetz just rumors
Germany and Hungary remain hold outs still
>>530385Orban and his clique depends too much on Russia for its move away from Western foreign capital.
>>530382>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BE PART OF EU>Don't you heckin' know that would violate my dogbrained Eurasianist narative?!?!?The ven diagram of Putinoids and people who would be 19th Century Panslavists is a fucking circle
>>530356Do it fucking do it and watch as de dolarization happens
Fucking do it
>>530396I'm actually repeating pro-Western analysts here.
>SWIFTless countries Russia, Iran, Venezuela
>all export fuel only
semi periphery bros, did we get too cocky
>>530157Because it shows his true colours motherfucker
>>530390Accroding to what i've read, decision about SWIFT is conditioned by an administrative counsil of 25 countries, with one vote per country. So in theory, as long as 13 members agree, Russia could be kicked out.
>>530406Based. Looks like a lot of people
>>530187if they had been willing to negotiate about that a month ago instead of scoffing and declaring any talk of it a "non-starter", this war might have been avoided, and it would be called "diplomacy".
But no, these fuckers led Ukraine off a cliff so they could score points on Russia.
>>530393Hungary condemned what Russia has done
Hungary relationship with china is closer i believe than their relationship is with Russia
+ They are a NATO country at end of day. Orban rocks the boat but he may fall in line at end. I'm sure Putin or Russians are in his ear tho hold him down so he doesn't agree.
https://hungarytoday.hu/orban-russia-attack-condems-aggression/I also see this from a day ago
>Orban Requests Increase In Russian Gas Imports During Meeting With Putinhttps://www.rferl.org/amp/hungary-orban-putin-russia-gas/31681502.html >>530417Bruh castillian communist flags lol.
>>530406KKE is a very small minority, most people were brainwashed into pro-Ukrainian nationalist hysteria, including the "left". Their understanding begins and ends with "Putler".
>>530367No you are clearly projecting you fucking spectacle brained burger putinoid larper. No one here simping for Russian intervention fucking lives in Russia. Touch sone grass if you want to be take seriously anyways as your seethe seems to indicate
>>530428No and you are lying.
>>530428The kke it's literally the biggest communis party of Europe.
Cope.
>>530393>Orban and his cliqueFuck you Western radlib. My home gets heated with Russian gas. It is >my personal prole interest< that Hungary and Russia maintains economic ties and my heating prices don't skyrocket. Kill yourself.
>>530430Why would a russian simp for russian intervention?
This is about putin sticking it up to nato. Only reason for simping. It's not even critical support it's just a based thing to do
>>530430By your tone you are seething even more bro
>>530377>>530379this shit is giving me brain damage bruh
all these leftists suddenly becoming blood thirsty war hawks acting as if this wasn't the fault of the USA to fucking begin with
and they
never criticize USA's expansionism but the moment Russia chimps out they're all over that shit
>>530424They're actually pretty common outside of the nationalist ridden places of Spain.
Hell naw I ain't tripling my heating bill for NATO
>>530428KKE is a great party with good understanding of geopolitics and they are not small
You are a retard
>>530436Bobo enters rage mode lol
>>530390>Germany and Hungary remain hold outs stillHungarian elections are coming at Orbán has used cheap gas as an election promise. They condemn the attack as the NATO cucks they are but they want to maintain economic relations with Russia. Also, the 3 biggest hungarian companies all have ties and operations in Russia, so there's no way they'll just shoot themselves in the foot to please Biden.
>>530448Nah, I mean that that is the flag of a "comunidad autonoma" just with a red star.
>>530456fuck with other people's wallet, not mine
>>530356>trusting Italianskek lmao
<t.Italian >>530438>t.germans are sticking it up the entente>>530441I am indeed irritated because I am taking this position seriously. So was anon ostensibly which I pointed out so he could not slink away into "irony" he is wrong plain and simple.
>>530446Read combat liberlalism by mao and the part where he calls ad hominem attacks a form of liberal, retard.
>>530466Suddenly the veil of leftism and humanism falls off larping burg's face when his material interests are threatened. So unusual!
>>530461No it's not. It represents the communards actually.
News from the bunkers.
The Biden administration does not object and will support Zelensky’s idea to sign an agreement with the Russian Federation declaring Ukraine a permanently neutral country, if the Ukrainian side itself so desires.
Why russians are not taking kiev already?
>>530474fuck material interests
embrace humanism
return to monke
>>530436You're an idiot, I'm not against Russian gas, and I oppose EU more. Orban is partially resisting EU neocolonialism by trying to build up a capitalist class in his own country. He does that by intensifying the exploitation of his own people. Yes, there is "Orban and his clique".
>>530444nothing sudden about these people in particular
>>530482We need sources anon
>>530487this. did everyone alread forgot about the slave laws?
>>530484they are building a pipeline to refuel themselves
>>530474proles should drop humanism in favor of collective material interest
>>530432>>530434>>530452KKE may be great, but parties like them are a small minority in Europe. Stop being delusional.
>>530508Communists are a minority, yeah we get it.
>>530508no actually what you said anon is that the "left" is a majority in support of this war in ukraine, which is false
>>530501emily goerceelzkeneniski actually built a flight algorithm for a US arms company lmfao and still stands by it to a degree
AVERAGE WESTERN LEFTIST >🇺🇦 DPM Iryna Vereshchuk: Ukraine has asked the International Committee of the Red Cross to help evacuate bodies of the dead 🇷🇺 soldiers from Ukraine to Russia. “There are thousands of bodies of 🇷🇺 invaders. We appeal to ICRC to step in with this humanitarian mission”, she said.-MFA UKRAINE
https://twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine/status/1497509017559699460?s=20&t=QtdWgpTO24_QNkrNJXlOtg >>530411>>530187>>530482Well Washington was going no no no we can't kick Russia out of swift even though we really want to because our European allies are opposed
Now that the euros are coming aboard
probably because it'll free them from US dollar hegemony the burgers blink
western libs cheering on the unvetted arming of ukraines populace that only serves to act as a spectacle of mass civilian casualties has completely broken my brain.
i always knew liberals were like this but to see it so blatantly on show is insane.
>>530514>AVERAGE WESTERN LEFTISTNo.
>>530491But…. In eu4 there was no opposition to the iberian wedding…
>>530436>>my personal prole interest< This is not how class politics work. It might be in your own personal prole interest to break a strike, but it's not your class interest.
You're actually a liberal, because you're putting your personal interest first, disguising under class politics because you're a prole - in fact, this is exactly identity politics.
So I went to reddit and it's a constant flow of Russia loosing the war and made up stories. When people prove it's fake or argue they are downvotted to oblivion because "it doesn't matter if it's disinformation we need hope". But I don't even get some parts Ukraine disinfo campaign, why do they tell the volkstrum their uniformed troops could be saboteurs? Now apparently there is some friendly fire because drafted civilians in possession of weapons of war are paranoiac and twitchy..
>>530520It's just a prelude to Ukrainian People's Protracted War
>>530520I wonder if armed civilians will count toward "dead civilians" or "dead military".
And furthermore the "america is inherently incapable pf revolution meme" is a cancerous anticommunist myth, not just a fun meme and copium to feel smug over burgers
>>530525uygha this is 30-40 years after the wedding lmao.
>>530444Im pretty sure the lady on the left is the "I'm the epic trans person who writes the code for drones" person. So you shouldn't be surprised she's cheering on for Ukrops.
>>530520western libs are bravely standing up for freedom, and are ready to fight to the last ukranian for it.
>>530527>the class interest of the proletariat is increased heating billsAh, yes, now I understand. How liberal I was! Thank you for correcting my mistake.
Ukrainian soldiers, now POWs, from Snake Island receiving water and food. Don't know if it has been posted yet.
https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/41999>>530527Nonsense, the Kazakhstan protest was over higher gas prices
>>530543Russia has a very small military and almost no population they need every body they can muster
>>530545what happened with "snake island"?
>>530547It was merely the spark
>>530529Just leave them be, they will be left with a huge hangover and headache.
>one Ukrainian MSM claims that Russian heli (which Ukrainians shot at) was Ukrainian, actually, and there's no paratroopers under Lvov
Well then, what that heli was shooting at under Lvov
the russia/ukraine conflict isn’t even the most deadly war that’s going on right now. liberals just only care about the deaths of innocents when it’s affecting white people
>>530551The only thing we know for sure is that it was captured by Putin
>>530529their lies pile up in the face of reality and smother them
>>530561what the fuck is a snake island? I have been touching grass with 0 news for 3 days
>>530567an island, literally
is there actual snakes?
>>530559Dumb take. Reddit supported palestine like crazy and shitted all over Palestine
As did all these social media people. It's not racial. This conflict impacts many economies
>>530559It's more about MSM brainwashing. A few of them are propagandists in their own right, the rest are just following along.
>>530553If protesting for higher wages is good then protesting against higher heating bills for NATO is good
>>530569makes perfect sense, thanks
>>530567An Ukrainian island
>>530574Shitted all over Israel*
I need sleep
>>530565they'll learn like berniebros that twitter isn't actually real life
>>530578yeah absolutely, capitalists should be forced to bring prices down to be competitive
>>530565post-modern warfare is a helluva drug
So India are China are the only countries who abstained from the UN vote?
Asian countries really are nerds, trying to stay out of the drama and fighting
>>530565They see what NATO is doing lol and they copy it.
>>530590I made a typo. Let me rewrite
Reddit and twitter people enormously supported palestine in their conflict against Israel
This isn't racial
>>530600This surely can't go wrong in any way
>>530598Blood tirsty liberal pos
>>530600> ReadovkaKnown for disinformation inside Russia.Are there other sources confirming it?
>>530173Poor invading soldier getting bullied by civilians ;_;
>>530600Ukraine society is just completing its social collapse that has been going on for decades.
>>530600So the list so far:
>draft>conscription of all males in the 18-60 years range>letting out criminals and arming themwhat's next? Orphans from orphanages? Babushkas?
>>530600Reminds me of Russia in the Napoleonic wars
>>530621They are about the lose their whole nation, it's desperate times.
It's easy to judge and scoff at it but they are severely overpowered and no Europe countries are going to come help with soldiers
Is there an irrational element to this invasion?
I think there is that's why so based.
Dionysian socialism will be inevitable.
>>530581This is what happens if you undergo transcendental meditation.
>>530625>They are about the lose their whole nationThey are not, you moron. Russia has been saying from the very beginning that it has no intention of occupying the country.
>>530625they're losing a crappy US puppet regime that led them into an unwinnable war
>>530625Every nation suffering devastating losses with enemy in proximity of capital should surrender to save lifes. That's an axiom
>>530581My man's spiting facts
>>530625So the response to losing is to cause more civilian deaths instead of just negotiating a surrender?
>>530638Why you have to be such a redditor?
>>530633They are.
What Russia says doesn't mean shit, they will be taking the capital within the next 12-24 hours.
I guarantee you were one of those saying nothing is going to happen and you play catch up the whole way denying the next increase in conflict every time
>>530629Putin apparently managed to piss off his own domestic bourgeoisie by going past Novorossia.
>>530647that's very based.
>>530625At worst they're losing their current state and the NATO noose around their neck.
>>530190>our secret sauce…young white men.Not gonna lie, that's pretty hot
>>530653Agent Kochinski, stop it
>>530647I hope he has the balls to purge them.
Critical support for Emperor Putlertine
>>530649Perhaps. It's certainly not being enacted in the name of socialism.
>>530600This really is blackpilled in thinking that might makes right
Like russia launched the war, but they are also winning and ukraine trying to fight back in these ways
Only makes me feel them as the guilty party because they're not surrendering peacefully and trying to minimize the bloodshed
Whatever is at stake can't be more than the cost of human life
>>530640That's what Nazis do
>>530629Yes, Putin is enraged. I've also heard Lavrov internally opposed the invasion.
>>530647>managed to piss off his own domestic bourgeoisiesource?
Nazism was always the "get out of jail free card".
The Ukrainians are unironically trying to pull a battle of Shanghai
Hey west we are holding send support
>>530621forced conscription of people fleeing a warzone
>>530662This. You surrender before making your civilians fight, especially when Russia isn't even asking for THAT much.
>>530662>Whatever is at stake can't be more than the cost of human lifeOh it is much more important than that. It's about a forcible redivision of capital as well as distracting from class conflict and helping putin get re elected and more MIC bucks
>>530679Isn't there already a ban on fleeing from the country for males?
>>530677this is what the average war disliker actually looks like, can confirm
>>530679ok, so the list so far:
>draft>conscription of all males in the 18-60 years range>forced conscription of people fleeing a warzone>letting out criminals and arming themcorrect?
>>530614https://minjust.gov.ua/It should be posted here, but server's unavailable to me
>>530689as we know bans totally work
>>530625>They are about the lose their whole nationAnd who gives a shit? Worthless brainwashing of the working class to make them think some flag and a line in the sand matters
Russia, Ukraine
The common man will continue to get exploited while the rich will enjoy when this is all over
>>530694going to need to see a soyrce on arming prisoners
>>530688Wonder what pol's new cope will be when the ((bankers)) allow this
>>530643Because Putinist regime is evil. Yes, I fucking said it. Its evil. Post all your fucking uyghurish 10 year old Stirner memes I don't care. CSTO is the modern Holy Alliance. A murderous axeman serving only the interests of Eurasian oligarchs. Stomping out any opposition to the oligarch power, be it from the left or the right. Supporting fucking insane schizophrenics like the Kadyrov. Crushing left-wing revolutions like in Kazakhstan. Recreating NATO warcrimes in Ukraine. Stick your fucking critical support "muh it weakens US" shit up your ass. The fall of Oligarch power in Russia would bring only benefit to the left-wing of post-USSR wasteland. Death to Putin. I hope protesters catch his personal escort car, drag him into the street, shiv off his balls, stuck them into his mouth, cover him in gasoline and set fire.
>>530679Don't know if that's a warcrime but it sure does sound like one.
>>530698ukraine has borders, maybe it even still has border patrol as well, idk
>>530700>Russia, Ukraine>The common man will continue to get exploited while the rich will enjoy when this is all overMuch worse or at least even worse than before
>>530219Based take. Too late though. Should've read Lenin.
>>530224Fuck…. they're little kids. Incredibly sad. Remember this is 100% NATOs fault.
>>530712Those uyghas booked it right before the attack
>>530706I can't read this and it's some random social media post, someone even mentioned readovka or whatever is fake news
>>530708Один из самых адекватных посетителей этой нити. Ты охуенный.
>>530708>I hope protesters catch his personal escort car, drag him into the street, shiv off his balls, stuck them into his mouth, cover him in gasoline and set fire.Kinda uninspired but based
>>530326what are your thoughts on this whole situation anon
>>530720I mean on the Western side where Ukrainian males would be fleeing to Poland, Romania, etc.
>>530726The west also felt the same regarding Shanghai
Makes ya think
>>530708I honestly don't disagree
>>530708I agree completely
>>530708What makes them more evil then nato in your mind fam?
>>530673what's the battle of shangai
>>530730Don't tell me you wouldn't do the same to the 19th century aristocrats who sent their armies to murder the 1848 revolutionaries.
>>530752I said that you are fucking based so I am not going to disagree with you about these parasites.
>Call with my French counterpart @JY_LeDrian France supports banning Russia from SWIFT. I urged to immediately introduce the third package of EU sanctions to stop Russian invasion. France is also ready to supply weapons and military equipment to help Ukraine defend itself.Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine
https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1497516208098136065?s=20&t=XaPy9tZd0fjpFd8U5l7WDA >>530749Second sino japanese war
Chiang decided lol I'm gonna fight in Shanghai and that's gonna peer pressure the warlords to help and the west to support
And while the warlords did kinda unite under chiang the west.
The west got emotional and we gotta help china since the Japanese are committing war crimes(which they were) and then they proceeded to do basically nothing
>>530757American troops also had a nickname for him: General cash my check
And now America is showering aid on the Ukrainian government like tossing bread to pigeons.
>>530708Do you seriously believe burger empire crushing Russia would stand by and watch as Russian communists take over?
>>530708>The fall of Oligarch power in Russia would bring only benefit to the left-wing of post-USSR wastelandI'm not a Putinoid, but let's think about this for a second. Let's say Putin and the oligarchs fall down. Who's gonna take his place? Who do you think is gonna support all of this? NATO will surely take advantage of this and find a way to install their own little Guaido that will pretty much transform the entire region into a new. Many young adult Russians, a majority of the population, are liberals who are supportive of the US, EU and Western-style liberal democracies. The communists in Russia, what will happen to them? Will they be able to take power and take advantage of Putin falling down, or will they fall down against the might of a Western-supported liberal opposition?
>>530174The best outcome at this point, as it has been for the past 8 years, is for Ukraine to play ball with Russia and implement the accords. Ukraine is fighting a pointless battle, arming civilians, etc. Russia needs to overtake Ukraine as quickly as possible to avoid as much deaths as possible. There's no way Russia is leaving soon. What don't you get? Ukraine needs to surrender. It fucked up for 8 years, now its finding out. It's absolutely horrible but they keep fucking up and even more people will die. This is NATOs fault, making Ukraine fight this pointless battle.
What don't you get, please explain.
>>530759>General cash my checkLmao
Russian Ministry of Defence issued a statement that it is Ukrainian forces bombing Kyiv today due to malfunction.
https://ria.ru/20220226/kiev-1775245593.html<normal: Vladimir Zelensky
>Ukranian: Volodymyr Zelenskyy
<normal: Holodomor
<Ukranian: Holydymyr ???
>>530759The cash my check primarily came because the us put in a general called stillwell that utterly demonized chiang in every opportunity and refused to send much of the aid to chiangs forces
>>530774>It's not Russian cause I say soOk RT shill. Give your proof
>>530776They are even bombing their own capital
>>530769 what are you talking about?
>>530778You are not giving any proof at all just typing your own made up sentence
Back up your claim rt shill
>>530781>You are not giving any proof at all just typing your own made up sentenceIt's Ministry of Defence you stupid glowing liberal uyghur
>>530769loool this war is close to over
>>530769>bombing themselves due to malfunctionwot?
>>530776It's literally a Ukrainian truck, MAZ-Bogdan model. AZ on the ID plate also means it's from northern Ukrainian military district
>>530783Nothing in video says what you said rt shill
Provide your evidence. All you did was post a video then make your random claim in a sentence
>>530791Stop glowing CNN wagecuck
>>530795the problem is you make 0 dollars a year and you ar catfishing with my pictures on the internet
>>530764There simply is no answer.
The universe does not set itself up to make answers for people. Sometimes situations are more complex and difficult than any person in a situation can manage.
>>530789Back up your claim. Post evidence
Typing shit up means nothing.
>>530793You are the one who can't back up what you are saying shill.
Posting a random video then giving it your own title that now becomes fact isn't evidence
>>530797>imagine mocking your own dead people on video for propaganda purposestruly depressing
>>530662>This really is blackpilled in thinking that might makes right
>Like russia launched the war, but they are also winning and ukraine trying to fight back in these ways
>Only makes me feel them as the guilty party because they're not surrendering peacefully and trying to minimize the bloodshed
>Whatever is at stake can't be more than the cost of human life>>530683>This. You surrender before making your civilians fight, especially when Russia isn't even asking for THAT much.Exactly. The Ukraine government should be skinned alive. This is absolutely disgusting. Who fucking CARES about muh country. Russia doesn't even want to absorb its territories, just accept modest UN approved, previously Ukraine approved, agreements. Just fucking do it, what the fuck.
A coup is the most valiant and patriotic thing any Ukraine civilian can do. Of course, I don't demand it of them, I wish they took the arms and used them to escape Ukraine safely. I demand it of the military.
>>530812This is nothing. A random infographic of a truck
This may work on twitter people, not here. Provide evidence for your claims of truck in video
>>530797Post your source for this text.
>>530817http://facts.com/if it doesn't load you need Russian VPN
If you can't win a war without conscripting civilians fleeing a warzone, do you deserve to be a country?
>>530814I've given you all the keywords to look for. You can compare truck from infographic to the one on the video yourself. You are just in denial right now because you are denied your copium and bothsidium
>>530820Shit tier trolling
>>530825You haven't done anything, you posted a random infographic.
This doesn't work here.
>>530824Don't talk shit about my country you unpatriotic scum.
>>530764>Many young adult Russians, a majority of the population, are liberals who are supportive of the US, EU and Western-style liberal democracies. The communists in Russia, what will happen to them?Literally the most popular opposition party is the kprf
>>530542>economismYou need to actually READ Lenin before posting your glowie takes here if you don't want those of us who have been dedicated leftists for more than a week to figure you out.
>>530829You must be new here
>>530816down with the sexist ukranian regime! stand for equality.
>>530840I don't support Ukraine at all. I asking you to back up what you post
Posting a random video then writing up your own title of it isn't evidence. This isn't a difficult ask
Are you seriously defending Nazi president using child soldiers and bombing his own capital? Is it just trolling?
Zelensky announced "a new page in history!": the head of the Italian Foreign Ministry told him that he would support the idea of disconnecting Russia from SWIFT.
I don't know how this will help Ukraine, but Russia is Italy's fifth-largest trading partner.
It's like the Darwin Eurovision.
>>530849Why do retards ask shit like that? You are never going to get an answer. Stfu
>>530781>>530776i am not even the anon you were responding to, and i was able to dig this up
>>530817>>530817https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tts-hyYruyEhere is the original ukrainian propaganda video, go look into comments and translate. you will find people informing uploader of the ukrainian license plates and then ukrops responding to them with death threats
the source for the text is somewhere in this thread i believe:
https://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=2464i was able to figure all this out on my own; why aren't you?
>>530855that comment section is hilarious
>>530855This is all I wanted just to have evidence of it. Thank you!
Instead the guy just argued in circles over it
Zelenskyy
Why is there an extra y in his name?
>>530860It's like the extra "y"s in heyyyyyy
>>530860Zelenski: it means you are a low level Pole. You aren't special and you are slave nation.
Zelensky: it means you are a mid-tier Russian. You are above the Pole on the civilizational ladder but you are not royalty.
Zelenskyy: you are royal Ukranian master race. For you onlyy the skyy is the lymitte.
Hypothetical übermensch not yet found in nature: Zyylyynskyyy
>EVERYONE WILL BE CONSCRIPTED INTO THE VOLKSSTURM
<Women don't need to tho, cause their place is at the kitchen.
>>530855>Evgeny Savoysky>54 minutes ago >@Military video OF UKRAINE dude, you banter and make fun of your own guys, you call your own pigs, are you okay with your head? At least I apologized for them, put a candle in the church for the repose of their souls, inhuman.This is a real G.
the saboteur narrative was really irresponsible. when this is over and the west had moved on ukrainian citizens are going to be haunted by their own atrocities
>>530874>hauntedI guess the "Ghost of Kyiv" will soon have a new meaning
>>530869doctors noticing a shocking rise in the number of ukrainian trans women as thousands of patients request HRT
Anyone have a Russian or Ukrainian communist account of what led to the invasion?
>>530878glory to Ukraine, who defeated pathetic Russian armys
>>530885Trips of truthseeking, I would really want something like this as well. The info war is THICC right now
>>530148Ukranian propaganda. That was not a russian missile. If it was a russian missile there would not be a house anymore
>>530898How long until he rapes an ukrainian woman and gets court trialed.
>>530893I was actually looking for this link I wanted to read and lost. I found it with the search function. It was a lucky find.
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/the-end-of-the-war-or-a-new-escalation?utm_source=urlHaven't read it though.
I was also looking for this one a few threads back and someone shared it. It's a quick read. Interesting, starts out not so good, gets better later.
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously?utm_source=url Ukraine’s Ambassador to Germany, Andrij Melnyk, says he is baffled by the response he has received from German officials after asking for military aid.
He says that ministers he has talked to say “you Ukrainians have only a few hours left. There is no point in helping you now”.
>>530898the e-boys have entered the invasion
>>530907gays are allowed in ruskie military? how do they not get bullied or bet up
>>530898middle one is cutest
>>530908sauce
plz be true >>530907so how long he rapes an ukrainian man and gets court trialed.
>>530912>militaryit's not military, it's MChS
>>530919raping men is not possible, they don't have a vagina
>>530908source: your mom's ass
>>530919He's also clearly a bottom my dude
>>530878Kiev is surrounded by Russian troops the whole reason the Russians have only sent a limited force into ukriane is to avoid urban combat as much as possible the Russians will only take the city when the Chechnian troops arrive.
>>530174Dude, this war is an attempt to fight back against encroaching nato, against usa imperialism. The decision to wage war is not necesserily retarded. We'll have to see if the sanctions will actually be severe.
>>530927What if he's a power bottom tho.
>>530907>danya_XXXXXXLWell, with that bulge I have to believe it. God Russian male youth is so cute. Shame they age like milk.
>>530908>He says that ministers he has talked to say “you Ukrainians have only a few hours left. There is no point in helping you now”.That is a baffling response. Ukraine must lay down its arms. German foreign ministers being cold as fuck, but it's the most humane option.
>>530929out of curiosity: any sources/reasons why chechen troops are special?
>>530907This is the guy calling you an effeminate westerner pussy
>>530878Lol. Get a hold of this retard. Ukraine will not lose per se only if somehow they magically will manage to hold on until march.
>>530921> MChSwhat is that
>>530943The went through brutal war in 90s
>>530956There are no faggots in russia. Only falmboyant men
>>530952Yeah but those ones are retired, higher up NCO or officers now, they won't do the fighting
Can someone give me a quick overview of he situation?
>>5309620_0
are we really different from gay people? flamboyant straight men are real?
>>530965Ukraine is fucked. If the russia doesnt end the war today then russia is fucked too.
>>530965Russian twinks are violently power bottoming Ukraine
>>530965The ghost of Kiev destroyed the entire Russian air force and Moscow is besieged
>>530970why is russia fucked?
>>530943>chechen troops are special?They are a special ops troops that are specialised in urban combat
>>530965Russian went in took stuff now they are waiting renforcment to take kiev.
>>530966My sources say there are some flamboyant straight men in our corporal realm.
>>530978NATO will start siphoning their weapons to ukraine and the whole ukraine will become a quagmire and the war will become much longer. But Russia can not fight for a long period of time so it will be a tremendous loss.
>>530963No, those are the officers. Who train the new batch.
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization, commonly known by its acronym “NATO,” has been in existence for nearly three-quarters of a century. Embracing the notion that day-to-day security is key, NATO’s stated purpose is “to guarantee the freedom and security of its members through political and military means.”
Putin enjoyed the Trump years because the puppet he installed in the White House didn’t seem to like NATO any more than he did. At the 2017 summit in Brussels, Donald Trump infamously refused to express a firm commitment to the Article 5 principle of mutual defense. For good measure, Trump also shoved Dusko Marković in a rush to jump to the front for pictures. It’s no coincidence that Marković happened to be the Prime Minister of Montenegro, NATO’s brand-new member.
Now that President Joe Biden is in office, Trump is no longer able to help Putin destabilize NATO. In addition, not only is NATO standing strong in solidarity against Putin’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, but Putin’s own actions are undermining his failing anti-NATO campaign.
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/putin-is-operating-without-his-puppet/44161/>>530989Why can't Russia fight for a long time?
>>530968This is the guy who closes your pool when it has aids
>>530996Because coffins will start appearing in Moscow and people don't like that very much.
>>530994Comrade Trump helping to avoid a bloodshed. What a crime!
>>531000Moscow has a secret weapon in this war, the cremation-mobile
>>530996The russian civilians are not ready for a prolonged conflict. Russian economy is not ready for it either.
>>530428<Tens of thousands of militantsDude KKE is the most based party in Europe.
Their only big problem is boomer tier leadership sadly.
>>530508They're literally the most active bloc of parties in Europe, unless you consider shit like PCF in France and PCP in Portugal to be "communist" parties.
Be honest anons
Why are you following this thing?
I'm doing it because I was bored and checked out the thread yesterday because I thought I should probably have something to say to my children on what I was doing when this event happened in history, and then I had so much fun learning and seeing the discussions, I keep coming back
What about you
>>530994Not really. If the operation goes well, the nato will become obsolete. I really doubt that european countries will torture themselves by cutting ties with russia economically. I mean you can not fucking heat your houses with american promises.
>>530904the entire US foreign policy establishment is filled with fucking maniacs, they're gonna blunder into world war 3 and pat themselves on the back for it
>>530396Retard spotted. I'm gonna relay your coordinates to my chechen brothers. You will be sorry for your actions.
>>531011Came here when NATO was trying to make this nothingburger into a somethingburger, stayed to find out if and when NATO get directly involved, risking the conflict escalating into nuclear war.
>>531026They won't do this. Lol. Like if someone is retarded enough to send people die over a nazi government in the eastern european shithole no one cares about.
>>531011Came here when NATO was trying to make this nothingburger into a somethingburger, stayed to find out if and when NATO get directly involved, risking the conflict escalating into nuclear war.
>>531033honestly can't tell anymore
people said putin wouldn't do it
us shared their intel with china like idiots
ukraine president is staying in there for some bravado reason
clown world shit happening, i don't think anybody is being competent or sane right now
>>530708You got a reasonable position (Russia is a capitalist and wannabe imperialist nation) and then turned it into the most Reddit shit possible with that opening.
I know that we love bait here but since I know you're a reasonable anon let's keep the level high ITT.
>>531039True. But in this case the chances of a ww3 are slim.
Now if the china decides to invade taiwan using this perfect opportunity then we are totally fucked
>>530996Russia can turn Kiev and maybe all of Ukraine to rubble with everyone inside but that's what NATO wants. Russia wants regime change so that Ukraine can be a buffer between them and NATO, the US and the rest of NATO behind them see Ukraine and everyone in there as expendable nothings to grind against Russia.
Ukraine is basically just throwing bodies at a war they cannot win by drafting 300k reservists and
decreeing that no male 18-60 can leave the country as well as starting forced conscription.The NATOcucks are hoping for a PR win for US foreign policy, and aren't afraid of sacrificing every single Ukranian if serving their masters overseas demands it.
But since western media is mostly on NATOs control it's being reported as "le evil Russians being barbaric and warlike". So Russia can only get stalled so long before NATO gathers enough support to intervene with some pretext like "stopping the systematic extermination of Ukanians" or something along the lines.
>>531011I'm interested mainly in how propaganda and public opinion are intertwined trough internet. Probably the first war where everyone has a smartphone and state actors really competent at web propaganda. The hangover for Ukraine supporters will be hard and I'm interested to see how this will turn out.
>>531011Horrific event, with a deluge of information. Very important because it sets the stage for the new multipolar era. Paying attention because this affects every single human around the world.
I only wish western leftists had better takes on this and unequivocally placed blame on NATO.
>>531041he's hung up on mean putler helping put down the khazak "revolution". it wasn't leftist or a revolution. half of it was workers that wanted a raise (which they got) and the other half was cia head choppers trying to do regime change to fuck with russia.
Liberals posting #IStandwithUkraine better stand with the next country that the United States or any Western power will try to regime change, coup, or just violently bomb.
>>531050>and unequivocally placed blame on NATO.Yes, these barbaric NATO forces are bombing Kyiv and Kharkiv right now. We should blame them for these atrocities!
>>531048>Probably the first war where everyone has a smartphonewat?
>>531055they'll be the ones posting #SOSCuba
>>531061Ukraine is not a third world country.
That's gonna turn into one with enough time and missiles? That's another thing.
>>531055They won't. and why don't they put on some boots and go #FightForUkraine? Zelly's looking for people right now.
>>531046>Russia can turn Kiev and maybe all of Ukraine to rubble with everyone inside but that's what NATO wants. How nice of them.
> Russia wants regime change Oh that's okay then.
>Ukraine is basically just throwing bodiesWhere have I heard this before?
>But since western media is mostly on NATOs control it's being reported as "le evil Russians being barbaric and warlike" One really has to pull mental gymnastics in order to make an invading force appear warlike!
>>531055You just dont understand. Bombing of socialist yugoslavia by fucking nato is based and prodemocratic. The operation of dismantling nazi ukranian government with minimum civilian deaths is literally hitler hohlokost 911 whatnot.
>>531043Why do you think this would be the perfect opportunity
Also isn't Taiwan already theirs? Am I confusing it with HK
>>531050Totally agree.
This is a historic event of a tremendous importance. And the sole reason of the war is nato with its attempts to control ukraine.
>>531055>I hope the liberals posting #IStandWithAmericanWarCrimes will support america's enemies in the future Fat chance. This is 100% NATOs doing. "Standing with Ukraine" means that you support NATO in their aim to turn Ukraine into a graveyard.
>>531074> Bombing of socialist yugoslavia by fucking nato is based and prodemocratic.WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN
WHERE WAS TITO
>>531076I was jocking. It is not a perfect opportunity. Well, it is a perfect opportunity for a ww3 surely, but nothing more.
No, taiwan de-facto is not a part of china.
>>531059You're either ignorant of the facts that led to this, a supporter of Nazis, or a fed (and probably a Nazi too).
Which one is it?
<Latvia will close its airspace to Russian airlines. Previously, the Czech Republic, Poland, Bulgaria and Estonia made similar decisions.
<The United Kingdom will also not allow Russian planes into the country.
Is it me or are we slowly getting to total separation between two blocs?
In the span of a few days we're getting from a hint of multipolarity to more and more Iron Curtain tier stuff.
>>531085I'm sorry to say this but tito was dead. And very much so.
>>531050> multipolar what does this mean, i hear you guys keep saying it
>because this affects every single human around the world. in what way does the rest of affect us
>>531048>I'm interested mainly in how propaganda and public opinion are intertwined trough internet. Probably the first war where everyone has a smartphone and state actors really competent at web propagandasame, the ghost of kyviv shit is a good example of this
internet would be really annoying is what i have gathered
>>531063>>531067Fucking scum all of them. Where was the outrage against the United States for fucking overthrowing Morales? Where's the support for the Mali protestors before all of this? Internet liberals piss me offf so much man. It reminds me of when Americans started saying "omg everythings gone to shit. were in a major historical crisis!" when COVID happened despite every other country outside the periphery is continuously in a historical crisis. Anglocentrism man.
>>530943Because they are loyal to a sadist psychopath Kadyrov. If Russia has an Azov Battalion equivalent, its them.
>>531094Yep. Do note that china somewhat supported the russian invasion politically.
>>530856>>530871A based comment and the true communist perspective
Fuck anglos
>>531102;_;
would nato have not bombed if they were not market socialists
i need to read up
>>531072I mean even in the third world most people have smartphones and some sort of internet access now but it wasn't the case in Syria Libya Afghanistan. Now most news agencies are lagging behind trying to get stuff from random civilians fast and spin it their way instead of presenting a sterilized version of the facts while having a broadcast monopoly. To the point where even the BBC post fake news and delete their tweets while apologizing hours after.
>>531110But what is the ideology of chechens? Nazis too?
>>531108>>531115Lol. Somehow i find myself standing on the same side with rightist again and again.
Maybe because they are at least not averting themselves from reality completely sometimes.
>>531125No. Just islamists
>>531125reactionaries, conservatives, but not Nazis
>>531094<Slovenia just banned Russian airplanes from their airspaceAt this point somebody should create a sanctions map with the various measures being put into place
>>531105Essentially instead of the system of 1 superpower with full control (The USA) there would be several developed and powerful nations who could balance one another out and hold one another accountable.
>>531132>>531134for once i wish for a hyper strong socialist military force to exist
we have to be the change we wish to see in this world
>nothing is happening
It's ogre, delete thread
>>531123Caleb Maupin will never recover
>>531146Until Putin personally slices me into two with his samurai sword it's a nothingburger.
>>531127Zelensky and his dogs are war criminals. They all should be hanged.
>>531138is multipolar the best option when there are only socialist states left?
i think so
>>531105>what does [multipolarity] mean<Multipolarity is a distribution of power in which more than two nation-states have nearly equal amounts of military, cultural, and economic influence. We've lived in a primarily unipolar world since the 60s.
Wikipedia is usually lib as fuck, but you can read more on the concept here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarity_(international_relations) It basically means "how many big players are there". It has reprecussions on what powers can do without consequences, who has claim to what, etc.
>>531069>Where have I heard this before?https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-24-22-intl/h_4309a4916d57670f85519210a07fb2c9[…]
>In a declaration signed late Thursday, Zelensky said that "in order to ensure the defense of the state, maintaining combat and mobilization readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations," a broad-based mobilization was ordered, including in the capital, Kyiv and all Ukraine's major cities.>The mobilization also instructed "the Security Service of Ukraine to take counterintelligence measures during the general mobilization."<It ordered the "conscription of conscripts, reservists for military service, their delivery to military units and institutions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" and other state security services.<At the same time, Ukraine has banned all-male citizens 18-60 years old from leaving the country, according to the State Border Guard Service.
>The statement said that following the introduction of martial law in Ukraine, a temporary restriction had been imposed. >"In particular, it is forbidden for men aged 18-60, Ukraine citizens, to leave the borders of Ukraine," the statement said. "This regulation will remain in effect for the period of the legal regime of martial law. We ask the citizens to take this information into consideration."Unfortunately the US(through their puppet government) is willing to sacrifice everyone there for transatlantic PR.
>>531140Hypothetically, if a USSR 2.0 existed (and by USSR 2.0 I don't mean Russia, just any hypothetical modern socialist superpower), how many of us would immigrate? How many us would try to fight for the country if they could? It would be interesting to see leftypol finally unified for a socialist superpower. Imagine the generals and threads we'd have.
>>531162id be away already
>>531156>We've lived in a primarily unipolar world since the 60s.More like the 90s. Despite everything the presence of the USSR was enough to create a bipolar world. If Putin should be right about one thing, it's that the collapse of the USSR truly the greatest geopolitical disaster in probably all of history.
>>531127If these keeps going for more weeks I believe we will see in a few months news of far rightist taking advantage of the chaos and the guns distributed and killing communists and opposition in ukraine.
>>531162I would, especially if such a power would be an English or Latin languages speaking one.
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Even /pol/ is anti-Russia at this point. This denazification propaganda is aimed at the left but does not resonate with liberals and conservatives.
>>531162I'm hoping that the time will come when we will start killing oligarchs and bourgeois.
>>531162bruh i already imagine to immigrate to china and theire not even at the full blown stage as USSR
no idea what the threads would be like tho,
>>531127>How many of them will be blamed on the Russians?More than the ones that actually happen, somehow.
>>531162Yeah I’m thinking of joining comecon again
>>531166True
>collapse of the USSR truly the greatest geopolitical disastertruest words ever spoken
>>531181> comeconwhat's that
>>531172>/pol/ is anti-Russia at this pointWhat?
>>531172>This denazification propaganda is aimed at the left stop being so delusional, its aimed at the domestic population. Putin doesnt care about the left.
>>531172>Even /pol/ is anti-Russia at this point. really????
>>531172I imagine they're all asspained that Putin took a fat shit all over the "no more brother wars" meme that American wignats still desperately hold on to.
>>530860-ij is a common ending in slav languages, russian language also has such cases. 1st y is like "ee" sound, the second y is like "y" ending as in "hey"
Let's check out the players ,
A cryptofash/oligarchy country (Russia) pretending to be leftist and wanting people to remember the Soviets when a Soviet leader like Stalin or Lenin would have had Putin shot as a counter revolutionary in less than a heartbeat.
vs
A liberal center right country (Ukraine) that is not pretending to be anything other than what it is.
Well since there are no actual leftists in the game then Russia is the obvious bad guy since they present the greatest danger to actual leftists if they win.
>>531078They don't want to begin an economic freezing campaign of their own citizens kek
>>531197Yeah I was a bit surprised too. I expected a slim majority to go for Ukraine because of azov but the proportion of pro-ukrop posters to pro-Russia posters was probably 9:1
>>531197Not what I'm observing in the ukraine generals at least.
>>531074>yugoslavia are dirty revisionists except when NATO is bombing them! i am a western leftist!kill yourself
The Serbian rump state wasn't Yugoslavia and wasn't socialist. Even the late SFRJ wasn't really Yugoslavia, Milosevic hijacked the federal government and its institutions and the vast majority of people didn't support him.
Here's part of Wikipedia's article about the """JNA""" operation against Vukovar.
>The JNA's lack of infantry support was due to a disastrously low level of mobilisation in the preceding months. Many reservists – who were drawn from all the Yugoslav republics, including Croatia – refused to report for duty, and many serving soldiers deserted rather than fight.[81] Serbia was never formally at war and no general mobilisation was carried out.[82] An estimated 150,000 Serbs went abroad to avoid conscription, and many others deserted or went into hiding.[83] Only 13 percent of conscripts reported for duty.[84] Another 40,000 staged rebellions in towns across Serbia; the Serbian newspaper Vreme commented in July 1991 that the situation was one of "total military disintegration".>Morale on the battlefield was poor. JNA commanders resorted to firing on their own positions to motivate their men to fight. When the commander of a JNA unit at Vukovar demanded to know who was willing to fight and who wanted to go home, the unit split in two. One conscript, unable to decide which side to take, shot himself on the spot.[86] A JNA officer who served at Vukovar later described how his men refused to obey orders on several occasions, "abandoning combat vehicles, discarding weapons, gathering on some flat ground, sitting and singing Give Peace a Chance by John Lennon." In late October, an entire infantry battalion from Novi Sad in Serbia abandoned an attack on Borovo Naselje and fled. Another group of reservists threw away their weapons and went back to Serbia on foot across a nearby bridge.[87] A tank driver, Vladimir Živković, drove his vehicle from the front line at Vukovar to the Yugoslav parliament in Belgrade, where he parked on the steps in front of the building. He was arrested and declared insane by the authorities. His treatment enraged his colleagues, who protested by taking over a local radio station at gunpoint and issuing a declaration that "we are not traitors, but we do not want to be aggressors." Unique IPs: 123