EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS A SABOTEUR, SABOTEUR SABOTEUR EDITIONKyiv warned of toxic fumes after strike on oil depot
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60542877Germany to send weapons directly to Ukraine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60541752Russia-Ukraine latest news: Russian troops enter Kharkiv; west cuts off banks from Swift system – live
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/27/russia-ukraine-latest-news-missile-strikes-on-oil-facilities-reported-as-some-russian-banks-cut-off-from-swift-system-live
Raid on twitter agsnts azov battalion
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/793501.htmlRussian broadcasts hacked to play Ukraine song on all channels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ0AYGSI9uQ >>534788That's sound like defeatist talk,
SABOTEUR.
>>534793>Is Russia gonna win?Yes
>When?In 2 months if they don't choke.
>>534829Sanctions are going to prompt dedollarization, nationalization of western owned assets, more self-sufficiency in Russia and increased trade with China (increasing the power of the CPC). They're unironically good
>>534834True
>>534815Not seeing how this is unbelievable as the first demand was Ukraine surrendering, and agreeing to demilitarization and tribunals for its leadership
>>534807>Is NATO retarded enough to push Putin to nuclear war?yes. the hubris and self righteousness of the west can not be overstated. their system and 'way of life' is the peak of human existence and destined to rule all of the world. It must rule all the world and anywhere it doesn't rule right now is a regrettable wrong to be righted in due time. anyone who defies the west is standing in the way of history, human progress and self fulfillment. This gives the west the right, the duty, to always win any kind of dispute with the non-west. Any alternative outcome is like a defiance of the laws of nature. This also means they believe they are going to win every dispute in the end.
there is also boomer WWII mythology that guides everything (Godwin is not just for the internet). Every defiance of the west is Hitler, and the one thing you can't do with Hitler is "appeasement". You must be hawkish and fight and take a hard line over everything, and never show any weakness (compromise, concession).
>>534866it wasn't the guy above, it was me. i was trying to take the ghost of kiev down
(it didn't work, my entire batallion is dead along with 5 of our planes that tried to intercept him)
>>534855This is kinda more what I mean, though the sanctions are a part of it:
>>534860 If the Ukrainians can get their EPIC WIN and the liberals and NATO all pat themselves on the back for having "beat Putin" then they might not be so primed to start making more provocations that would make Putin launch nukes
Not saying that Ukraine's defense forces are necessarily trying to work with Russia to downplay its defeat so as to stop a nuclear war, just whether it's better for westoid liberals to believe what lets them sleep at night
>>534878If a huge nation like Russia cannot gain any kind of national sovereignty under global imperialism then socialism has no chance and the human race doesn't deserve to exist
I'm happy with history ending there
>>534913Second is more correct. Imperialism wrapped itself in liberal ideology but nothing changed. It's the west that violated its own rules, and Putin (himself appointed by the gravediggers of the USSR) is playing by the same book
History never stopped, libs only denied it
>>534949Most do
>>534950Because any effort to hurt Russia will be quickly thwarted by reality and how much Europe depends on Russia
>>534946this is what russian soldiers get as spoils of war
>>534949woah it's almost as if fighting for a capitalist government doesn't benefit the working class. bro…
>>534956As they say in Russian: твоя киска в зоне риска
(Your pussy/cat is in the danger zone. It rhymes in Russian)
>>534953Russia won't bomb Ukraine, that's retarded, that won't hurt the western economy.
Russia will bomb Germany, that will do real damage to Western hegemony
>>534949Tribalism is a powerful spook. Wanting to "defend your country" but not questioning why or what this means
So you get people on both sides killing each other even though the victory of one over the other won't change their lives much
During the next iteration of 1917 this chauvinist brainrot needs to be stomped out for good. Putin is right on one thing; dividing the USSR along "ethnic" lines was a mistake
>>534858funny thing is they have been spreading the story about Russian "mobile crematoria" preemptively, so that any lack of bodies or evidence can be attributed to Russians burning their dead away. and all this blatant lying is only making them look less credible. Just like the 13 dead border guardsmen on Snake Island.
Ukrainian propaganda machine is manufacturing stories, hoping to get their civilians killed, so they can then put pictures of "dead civilians" all over Western media.
The reason cities like Kharkiv aren't falling is because Ukrainian government hasn't actually evacuated the cities, this makes fighting very difficult for a disciplined, trained army like Russia's that is under strict orders not to hurt civilians and non-combatants. Ukraine is happy to use civilians as literal meat shields and cannon fodder to win the propaganda war.
Russia invaded three days ago and Ukraine already have fucking Volkssturm brigades composed of women, kids and old people.
>>534957>is this invasion worth it? Clearly their military and advisors think so
>Was it really his only option? No but waiting for a potential diplomatic solution would have given time to Ukraine to reinforce.
>Will the benefits outweigh the cost?Declaring war is always a gamble. But the top Russian brass think they have good odds.
>>534958It's because Russia is already big that anglos don't want it to get even bigger. It's not a "resource war" although there are resources that will give geopolitical hard power to Russia (grain/neon), the point is that some of the resources and market will be transferred to the Russian national bourgeoisie, which explains in part their acceptance for war.
>>534954I think it will hurt Europe, but I think the US will be benefitting from this, as they have from every (world) war in Europe throughout history.
"The United States’ role in this tragedy is as much about its relationship with its former imperial rivals, Germany, Italy, and France, as it is about its attempts to weaken Russia. These three powers, and the Europe they lead, incessantly threaten to spin out of the US orbit. Increasingly, they talk of strategic autonomy, while pursuing economic integration with Russia and China, to US dismay. Russian aggression provides the occasion to bind Europe more firmly to the United States, by rallying Europe against Russia through the US instrument of NATO, and pressing the continent to sever some economic ties with Russia. Germany will be expected to cancel the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, to its great disadvantage, since it will lose an inexpensive source of energy, and to the great advantage of the US liquid natural gas industry, which will fill the void with a more expensive product. While certification of the pipeline has only been suspended for now, Washington will continue to pressure Germany to cancel the pipeline altogether. The benefits of Russian aggression against Ukraine for the US investor class are so numerous, that champagne bottles must have popped in Washington and on Wall Street when the Russian president announced the beginning of his country’s military operation in Ukraine. European drift toward the Russian economy is eclipsed. NATO is strengthened, with indubitable benefits in new orders from NATO countries for arms from US weapons makers. Calls for more weapons purchases to bolster the US military will escalate; yesterday, for example, a Wall Street Journal op-ed demanded a naval build up. And the arms industry will run at full-tilt pumping weapons into Ukraine to fuel an insurgency, as Washington fights Russia to the last Ukrainian. Wars for which the United States has not participated except to act as an arms supplier have always been kind to the country’s investors; this one promises to be the same. Finally, Russian military operations, along with Western sanctions, will drain the Russian economy, weakening Russia, or at least stifle its growth, and make it less a formidable US rival. How could Wall Street not look with pleasure upon the prospects?"
Only negative is it will bring Russia closer to China.
>>534963Atlanticists/MIC and China win here, Europe becomes even more dependent on America, Russia becomes more dependent on China, and Ukraine loses regardless of how this ends. Worst case they don't swallow their pride and let this drag out for months encouraged by NATO support
The working class wins if this ends in 1917
>>534976Not creating the SSRs
>>534988Because they're contrarians wanting to stick it to libs
>>534990Anyone can use that label anyway, including glowies. No guarantee NATO itself is not behind the cyberattacks here
>>534973I can at least understand wanting to protect those in Donetsk and Lugansk from Ukrainian Nazis.
Not that I think the average Russian soldier has anything to gain from this, but there is some sort of reason I can grasp.
>>535008She was right. Lenin was wrong on this. All the SSRs produced brainrotted reactionary revisionists, yes even Lukashenka who for years sabotaged union state integration until he was forced to implement it these past two years
If Putin ends the sovereignty of all these post-soviet states that would unironically be based
>>535026i hope monke conquers poland just to make the local nationalists seethe. it'll be double based if he takes the crown off that fucking bird like in the polish people's republic
>>535028kys libfaggot
>>535055>This only strengthens NATOs justification for existing, not ruin itYeah if Putin resigned NATO would just stop existing!
How many times history has to repeat so you retards understand that giving in to western bullying is the worst thing you can do.
You still are going to get sanctioned
You still are going to get sabotaged (unironically)
You still are going to be couped
Etc
>>535055 (You)
>>535061SPD leader even said that the US should GTFO of negotiations of NS2, since its a European matter. lel.
There will be a pro Ukraine demo in Germany. Isn't praising nazis illegal? Hehe
>>535074>Isn't praising nazis illegal? HehePraising Nazis is apparently ok and fully legal if they're anti-Russia.
Just look at all the American radlibs and "leftists"
>>535073And what are you doing? All that Lenin you read is useless if you don't put it to work. Literally bogus information. So fuck off with your usless knowledge.
Unless you are doing what you demand others to do? Where is this movement you demand from others? I haven't heard of it, please share information on the area it controls.
Fucking smug retards.
>>535064burger ours on copying mode.
Meanwhile: The compelte debunk of the 13 people killed in the port.
>If they buried us, then they thought they would bury us. We laid down our weapons and raised our hands. They lined us up on the pier, counted us, helped the wounded. Thought it would be worse.> >>535074>Isn't praising nazis illegal? Not if they are from Ukraine apparently. Like our president even traveled over there after euromaiden and shook the hands of literal SS veterans from WW2.
>>535075>Literally just all fucking talk, no actionSo ou dont understand how real politics work. Im shocked.
> American hegemony was never going to be eroded from within its member states.It had been eroding for years now. They were unable to coup assad and manduro, things that would have been easy just 20 years ago.
<Scott Ritter, former marine intelligence officer
>Some quick military math: the Ukrainian Army has 215,000 soldiers who have been armed and trained to NATO standards. There are another 200,000 reservists, 50,000 border guards, and 60,000 National Guards. Russia has assembled some 200,000 forces in the vicinity of Ukraine, 70,000 of whom have as of this date actually entered Ukraine. Normal attacker-defender ratios call for a 3:1 advantage for the attacker. Russia is attacking with a 1:7 disadvantage. And they are winning.
<Mark Sleboda, intl affairs and security analyst
>Russia, despite an overwhelming military advantage, is intentionally fighting with one hand tied behind their back in this intervention & limiting use of its most powerful weapons systems. Because the Russian military is not only trying to minimize civilian casualties, but
>minimize casualties among the Ukrainian military as well. Russia's opponent here is not the Ukrainian people or military per se, but the US-backed Putsch regime that seized power in 2014 and the Banderites that make up its vanguard and brownshirts.
>>535077>People says that Ukraine had regained control of Kharkivt. ukrainian source lmao
Pic realated is Kharkov rn.
>kiev resistinglol, you can find videos of Hinds 24 in theirs skies. that means they are fucked.
>>535090 (me)
Should have mentioned they were doing this before the current happening kicked off
>>535061Your plan was wait for Germany to do something.
That's dumb
>>535103what plan? what are you talking about?
us hegemony eroding is a fact not some schizo plan. touch some grass or eat some ass faggot
>>535110pathetic
read book
>>796174Denying proletarian internationalism is fash ideology yes
>>535119Javelin wrecked the cage?
>>535134one for the audience
one for the bossman to prove that you are indeed working on the project he pays for
>>534801Liberals are more obsessed with "le epic online dunk1!11" than actually ever helping people.
Unless they're Nazis. Then freedom of speech or something
>>535127Speaking of the airport, the AN-225 there has been destroyed
Perfect symbolism for all this really. The legacy of the USSR being wrecked by chauvinists
>>535133Yes, imperialism is a world system that reproduces national oppression by exploiting the uneven development of capitalism
It only applies to the G7/G10
>>535120It makes sense for them to do that tbh, the only thing Ukraine got for them right now is international public opinion.
>>535134The propaganda footage will hit news agencies and big twitter accounts and pro Ukraine people will ignore the fact that it was staged because it doesn't go their way.
>>535153Ukraine is scraping the bottom of the barrel in information warfare as well. See the government flat-out lying about Turkey blocking the strait to Russian navy, or
>>534815. If it weren't for the entire fucking Western mdia running propaganda for them nonstop, Ukraine might have already surrendered because of how obvious the asymmetry would be. The war goes on becuse the West iss propping it up with literal fanfic.
>>535179i hate the west and i hate the westerners
t. slav
>>535000because the OUN B and the bnadera lobby is highly intertwined in the Ukrainian government, with huge elements from abroad, in the NATo, U.S., etc.
https://banderalobby.substack.com/You think naizsm is only the military branch, but to be in the military branch already, is because the ruling class allows it and promotes it.
>>535218Russia is going to feel immense pain. RT can keep telling you they won't
You'll see the ruble value Monday
>>535199You forgot your link
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/ukraine-cluster-munitions-kill-child-and-two-other-civilians-taking-shelter-at-a-preschool/>As first reported by the open source investigation organization Bellingcat,Probably done by ukranian Nazis in cooperation with the SAS the bongs have inserted
>>535222Aren't we supposed to welcome the crisis of capitalism?
Especially, after:
2008. Covid. EU banning Russia…
I mean.. The conditions!!!
>>535229Don't worry Anon.
Maybe Russian communists will do something about this and take control in their hands.
But we can only hope and support Russian communists and propagandize socialism to the working masses so they can know the alternative.
>>535229Which might accelerate Russia as well, or push them closer to China
Either way we be winning
>>535230>Turkey BLOCKS passage of Russian Navy through Bosporus Strait.They're doubling down.
I'm getting SERIOUSLY worried about the West launching an all-out assault at this point.
>>535234>>535233I'm worrying about average people anons.
It's hell living under sanctions in a socialist system like Cuba, in one like Russia it could be even harsher.
>>535239That is true, it is hell.
But hopefully with the new Ukrainian govt Belarussia and Russia can sustain themselves more then Cuba or Venezuela or NK can.
>>535229Vid related
>>535235>Anyone have the meme where white and black man fights while porky spectates, and in the next white and black man both look at porky and say "YOU DID THIS">TRying to make a version like this but about russia/ukraineSorry lad I don't
Try asking in a slower thread like
→ >>793501
Where people have been delivering maymays mebbe
>>535247They voted for somone less retarded as poroshenko (in violent terms), but poroshenko's side was already in control.
Pic semirelated.
>>535212No, I am the new leader of Belarus!
GLORY TO ME
>>535282Like Russian ISA tendency or RSM? Maybe Вестник Бури or Konstantin Syomin?
But probably real communists are the ones who have the same views as yours.
>>535287KPRF is basically reddish nationalists/socdems. It's weird how the degradation of khruschevite party sets in.
>>535288Have no clue about their opinion, tbh. Should watch them. I'd imagine it's "no to war" mixed with "khokhols do be fascists though"
>>535309Siege of the urban resisting forces. Instead going in, inmeadiatly, the Russians create a circle and move one step at a time closing the circle killing positions and craeting internal pressure.
It is very powerful when you have an army strong enough to siege and do this avodiing the guerrilla warfare.
>>535301>>535318OH. Mariupol-Volnovaha pot contains 40.000 UKRAINIAN TROOPS
40 FUCKING THOUSANDS
That's going to be glorious, khokhols' scream in twitter will be earth-shattering
>>534851NOO! The cis white male can’t be in my fake war stories!
- Lib
Moscow authorities are now detaining and questioning citizens of Ukraine living in the city, some are accused of reaching immigration laws.
https://twitter.com/pchikov/status/1497983526347710471Chikov was a member of Presidential Council for Human Rights until 2019
>>535325>Russia will be despised for thisThey already are.
The good thing about being a pariah is that it doesn't matter what you do, it can't get any worse anyway so may as well have some fun.
>>535329Image letting falling a city of 1.419 million like this in 3 FUCKING days. 3
MOTHERFUCKING DAYS.
HOLLY GUACAMOLLY >>535353Russia = disinfo
Source: western media told me, they can't lie!
>>535336This is why Putin went to war. Russia is too multiethnic to let these people insult an important segment of their population, and threaten them with nukes and stuff.
I've been telling you guys. And that's why Kadyrov wants a full large scale military operation and he told to Putin he wants to control it.
>>535283sounds based but not going to blindly believe random twitter schizos
>>535368Critical support for Russia.
Desired outcomes:
1. Liquidation of Ukrop nazis
2. Relatively quick Russian victory with minimal civilian casualties and civilian infrastructure damage
3. Multipolar world develops as a result of Western sanctions; acceleration into Western imperialism collapsing
Anybody who disagrees with these three desired outcomes is a western imperialist fascist AND ukrop nazi apologist.
>>535368Just cause everyone is with Ukrain, I am with Russia.
[spoiler] In reality, both sides are bad, so… Nobody? The Proletariat only?[/spoiler]
>>535380>sounds based but not going to blindly believe random twitter schizosRitter is an ex-UN chief of staff who told to the U.S. intelligence that Iraq doesn't have WMD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GkmdCaBECsThis is the segment of the 6 hours long live in which Richard Medhurts interviews Ritter.
>>535401lard=pork
Chechens=muslim
do the math
>>535405that wasn't the question
>>535407So at best it clogs up your reload mechanism, at worst…? It blows up in your face, or what?
>>535436idk fam
we had capitalism for a while now and the majority of humans right now arent ash
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