No.540053
Death to anglos.
No.540054
>>540053Theme fightin words maybe..
Pistols at dawn.
No.540055
>>540052Why is Ken so fat though lol.
No.540056
>>540055All the jellied eels from the themes.
No.540057
The sphere worked for the police in Northern Ireland for 6 years….
Bruh.
This guy glows like a fucking field just outside of London circa 1995 after gubbing 2 pills from Holland an hour and ten minutes ago
No.540058
Still the most cancerous, schizo-ridden thread on leftypol. And it says a lot, considering we have itg and covid19 threads.
No.540060
>>540057Link?
>>540058So minimise it you pathetic resentful little cunt.
No.540061
Being left in the UK blows, the UK left might be the most pozzed internalized Neolibs in the western world.
Then all institutional leftism in this country are a bunch of utterly insufferable Idpol obsessed Neolibs in existence.
Still can't believe how badly the left fucked up the Corbyn era. Didn't even secure any leftist foothold in Labour against Neolib counter-reaction.
No.540062
>>540060He hates us cos we ain’t us.
Uh he said it himself in an interview to somebody else that was shown on Wednesdays glowvara. It was when he was talking about why Tony Blair should get a knighthood he pointed to Northern Ireland and said I myself worked with the police there for 6 years.
So his political resume is literally glow work in Ireland than glow work in the Middle East the director of public prosecutions then prime minister, a literally who before 2 years ago that had been knighted, and who had carried out pro Zionist, anti socialist purged of the Labour Party.
No.540064
>>540062Lmao how did Labour-bros fall for it
No.540065
>>540064Heavy funding and lots of lies and pr.
No.540066
unironally love r nhs me
No.540067
Wes Streeting out today saying Labour will expand NHS-Private "partnerships" to "bring down waiting lists", which is by all accounts, Privatisation by stealth. NHS money going to private corporations instead of expanding NHS capacity.
Didn't take long for the Blairites to go back to full on Neolib nuttery.
No.540069
>>540067The funniest part is that it wouldnt do anything, since 99% of private healthcare workers are also NHS staff. Paying money for nothing
No.540070
Reports Corbyn might found a party, since Labour is trying to select a candidate for Islington North (although apparently the candidates they have muted for the job don't want to try it).
No.540071
>>540070>Reports Corbyn might found a party, since Labour is trying to select a candidate for Islington NorthBig if true tbh
>(although apparently the candidates they have muted for the job don't want to try it).Kek
No.540072
>>540070Please god let it be true, but also major kek if the labour cuck doesn't dare to stand up to him
No.540073
>>540072They are trying to front a former Yorkshire MP who was a Cllr in the area a while back but she has publicly stated she doesn't want the job. Everyone knows that they would likely lose against him.
No.540074
The government plans to make people pay for lateral flows is a fucking pisstake, making people pay to just exist in society.
No.540075
>>540073imagine being a cuck like this, and knowing it lmao
>>540074my god somebody declare the peoples war already
No.540078
Is there a British Juche party?
No.540079
>>540078Don't think so tbh, closest there is is probably the British Group for the Study of the Juche Idea
No.540081
>>540058>Ignoring the revolutionary potential of weaponized schizophrenia R E T A R D
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No.540082
Feel like I'm going a bit insane with how much the amount of CCTV these is gets to me along with how no one else seems to care.
No.540085
>>540058just because you get the jokes doesn't make them schizo
just because you don't get the schizo doesn't make them jokes
No.540086
>>540078George galloway's party
No.540088
Why do british socialists support the Argentinian nationalist claims on the Falklands rather than say demilitarizing them, or sharing the welth, or making it an independent provine in the LA union, or whatever that's not supporting those claiming Argies lived there for a few years so it's theirs forever now
No.540089
>>540088or maybe I am missing something but it does seem UK leftwingers like to take on an unescesarially self destructive views on those isles.
No.540090
>>540089Anyone who claims Argentina has a claim to the Falklands is borderline retarded but of course it's 'imperialism' for Britain to control some islands inhabited solely by British people
No.540091
>>540088Argentinians consider it an occupation because British ships landed there in 1833 unprovoked and overthrew the local government, and by that time Britain had long recognized Argentinian independence and had signed a commerce treaty, so they consider it a case of Anglo perfidy.
>>540090Stfu imperialist.
No.540092
>>540088>Argies lived there for a few years so it's theirs forever nowWhy not, the west will spend billions to support an artificial state in the territory of Palestine with the same basis.
No.540093
>>540091>the territory was controlled by argentines for like 5 years, 170 years agoby that logic it should be british anyway because it was controlled by britain for a hundred years before argentina even existed
No.540094
does this thread need another Falklands discussion?
No.540095
>>540093Yeah the thing is Britain left the islands on its own will, they didn't get kicked out by another country. Argentina took possession of the islands while uninhabited.
No.540096
>>540094When was the last discussion of the Falklands anyway?
No.540097
>>540096sure
give it to argentina No.540098
Let's discuss how to solve the Isis POW problem
No.540099
>>540098Same as what China did with Japanese POW's during the second world war, convert them to socialism
No.540100
>>540081>>540082Perfect post combo
>>540087um… I agree with all these things but eh.. patriotism and nationalism and what….
>>540088at the time, the point was there was massive problems within Britain and instead we spunked cash invading some shit island.
>>540090how did the brits get there
>>540098MKultra them into becoming Hoxhaist
No.540102
>>540101wrong thread
>>/siberia/116374>> No.540104
>>540088>A group of brits should take up a position that involves rewriting the borders of south america and controlling their arms and wealth>This would be a socialist positionlmao retard
No.540105
>>540104I don't see anyone but the argies and those supporting their position trying to rewrite borders
No.540107
and we'll be right back for rowlings election speech for the torries 2030 bid for the premiership…
No.540108
>>540088No idea. If people living there want to be part of Britain then its their choice. They are British anyway.
No.540109
I hate culture wars I hate culture wars
>a soyface with a “some women have penises deal with it” t shirt
>a soyface with an “adult human female” t shirt
>both are together carrying AR15s and megaphones
we’ve got you surrounded, come out and discuss access to woman only spaces
No.540110
PM getting told he's a liar and should resign for an hour straight, but /leftybritpol/ is even more dead than usual
No.540111
>>540110Well… tell us about it anon, link some Kino, be the change you want to see in the world
No.540112
>>540111Live from PMQ.
People whipping out the old "I spoke with a former soldier, who says Boris Johnson is a massive wanker" trick
No.540113
>>540110the literal version of this would be incredible
an hour of everyone who gets to speak in PMQs going "resign, liar"
no flair, no "the honourable member for…", no personal touch, no emotion, not even in the way they stand at sit down, just relentless: "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar", "resign, liar".
No.540116
Any juice to these calls to resignation or is it just another one that will be forgotten about in a month? Hard to get excited for like either way cause he'll just get replaced by another nonce.
No.540117
>>540116Seems like there is, top ghoul Douglas Ross has said his position is untenable which seems to be the line repeated by a fair few Tory MPs, whether it has enough momentum to push through an actual no confidence vote idk but even the bbc had footage of people on saying they hate Boris after they couldn’t see their dying mum
No.540118
>>540114Only because of Boris' party at Downing Street, if there was no party or it wasn't leaked, I don't think Keith would be that far ahead, and that's assuming he'd even have higher approva
No.540119
>>540114Is this seriously all it takes to change people's minds? Boris having a party? I will never understand normies I swear.
No.540120
>>540119The British people will endure any hardship you can imagine. Death on a hitherto unknown scale, being cooped up inside because of the insane schemes of little phrenologists gone awry, Tony Blair appearing on TV - but show them a man having fun, a man attending a party, and see how their eyes bleed out with rage. Nothing upsets the Saxon like the scent of human happiness.
No.540121
>>540119>>540120ngl, was a bit of a pisstake that Boris and co had a party while the rest of the country was on lockdown, but of all the shit that Boris and the Tories have done in the past 10 years, this is the shit that finally turns people against them?
No.540122
>>540119I think some people forget that the rich literally aren't bothered by the shit we have to put up with so when they're reminded they really don't like it.
No.540123
>>540109Someone explain to me how an issue that affects at most 1% of the population dominates 50% of all political discourse.
No.540125
>>540123precisely because it's irrelevant to most people
you don't want to get into a stupid fight about bread, bread matters, you pass bread every time you shop whether you're in tesco or sainsbury's or iceland or asda or aldi or lidl or god forbid waitrose
but you can live your entire life without actually seeing a transgender person. ideal fodder for a fight. you can fight for essentially hypothetical positions, you can imagine that radical change for the worse is immanent unless you fight now, you have to fight, and read, and fight, and fight, and it's all so real because on twitter and on television there are all these stories, all this social-evidence that it's real, that it'll arrive on your doorstep, so you've got to fight and fight and fight. and
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No.540126
>>540125this, it's just a diversion so they don't need to talk about the real issues. also something something dividing the working class against itself so it cannot see the real enemy
No.540127
>>540126>it's just a diversion so they don't need to talk about the real issuesYou're the person talking about it you mouth-breather
No.540128
None of you cunts have mentioned Prince Andrew losing his military titles.
Based Queen and veterans
No.540130
It is harder to imagine the end of Mark Fisher’s influence on the fake left than the end of capitalism. That is a shame and we are all poorer for it. A reactionary made out Play-Doh and his dollhouse protocols tend to not analyze capital but to replace it with a mysterious and otherworldly entity. Influenced by Lovecraft, Land, Baudrillard, and of course Nietzsche. Fisher fancies himself somewhere something dejected anti-hero of history. He finds himself in the Last Man, ruined by irony, but he also considers himself a kind of miraculous ubermensch: somehow capable of overcoming this societal damnation of the world.
In what reads as a kind of sublimation to the reactionary work of prominent film and media theorists, Fisher butchers and consumes. In his dollhouse version of these authors, the responsibility for the ills of irony, and for the work done to weaken the working class are displaced. Not in the roles of a bourgeois class that actually exists and has been consolidated as a class for itself for almost three centuries, but to a vague enemy, Lovecraftian and larger than life in origin.
He mentions, of course, in his most read (and debatably, most useless) work Capitalist Realism, a criticism of the art zones where they are left with repeating the same criticism as if it’s novel. This kind of deflection serves to make a reader imagine that his criticisms most definitely are novel. Except that they aren’t. What isn’t directly maladapted from Jonathan Beller or Henry Giroux is left with a taint. The taint of course is the techno-Protocols of the Elders of Zion popularized by Nick Land: his long time friend, mentor, and fascist.
By the end of the first chapter he makes a strange comparison, one that draws together “gangster rap”, comparing it to Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, and here we also see him mention The Godfather. He discusses them all as being a Hobbesian war of “all against all”, unsympathetic shells of the world. He mentions a dog shit article by Simon Reynolds, which would be laughable if Reynolds looked any less like what you expect him to look like.
Here, Fisher sees these things as all the same. To him, the characterization of characters in the Godfather and hip hop in ‘96 are equally detached from what is going on. They are dripping in the same kind of savage ironic distance that Quentin Tarantino uses. Nowhere do they draw out a sense of sympathy from their performances, instead treating the world as necessarily brutal. Similar to the dude who watches Fight Club and sees himself in Norton’s character, Fisher's own detachment prevents him from seeing what these things really are.
They aren’t Tarantino’s detached ironic cynicism for violence, they are instead expressions of a collective kind of emotion. He sees in hip hop the exact same stance as that of Pulp Fiction because to him the expression of conditions enforced on the ruling class by the bourgeois is really self-inflicted. He sees this not as a failing of the academic community (which of course he is a part of) but instead of the vacuous masses who are duping themselves into stupidity. Here we see the reactionary echoes of Nick Land and the perversion of the work of Henry Giroux.
No.540132
has anyone seen the prince Andrew pub in London
No.540134
>>540133I saw it when I was walking near Tottenham court road, couldn't believe it was a thing
https://londonist.com/london/latest-news/prince-andrew-pub-sign-duke-of-york No.540136
Thoughts on the china """spy""" scandal, anything too it or just more SDP lies?
No.540137
>>540136>Tories tank at the polls >intelligence services have something to say about that Every time
No.540138
>>540136They're all spying on and attempting to influence each other all the time so true or not bit of a non story.
No.540139
>>540137Maybe they've moved on from the old London Terror attack occurs weeks before the election routine
No.540140
nothing encapsulates Britain better than the PM potentially resigning over the party he didn't even go to
No.540141
>>540138I have no doubt there is glow to glow fencing happening, if you control a state and you don't employ your own glowing agencies you're a dumbass, which is a moot point, because you will never come to control a state without your own secret police like entity. So no doubt its probably true, but also just isn't really a story and the timing is impeccable. How often do we actually hear news directly from Mi5? Literally only when the Tories are doing badly, in my recent memory, but I'm obviously a skitzo. Dunno how much legs it actually has, you can see peoples priorities are warped to all fuck, when what they really care about is this party.
>>540139i wonder if this chinese agent was known to prevent
No.540142
>>540141Wouldn't surprise me if was an attempt to distract but poor effort on their part this time. Seems like it's on the front page of a couple of news sites today but much less than the party.
Next scandal they'll have to have the agent caught in the street or whatever to make enough of a stir.
No.540144
>>540140I thought he was at the party but just won't admit it
No.540145
>>540110Because it don’t gives the anons an excuse to whine and cry about Labour being shit, the bread and butter of this thread.
No.540147
>>540144wasn't that a different party, i'm thinking of the no.10 one before prince philip's funeral
not paying massive amounts of attention but so far as i know he was at chequers for that one, though the press and the general sphere of malaise that is this country's elite opinion seem content to leave to implication that he was present.
No.540151
>>540145Sorry but its impossible to get excited about this. The party shit is obviously an internal conservative op and if he did resign we'll just get another ghoul like Truss.
No.540152
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/s4hff1/winetime_fridays_is_not_normal_whitehall_behaviour/?sort=controversialThis thread is hilarious.
High HEO+ level Servants are drunk or coked out of their heads all the fucking time. Policy development is almost all done in pubs and over boozy ass dinners. They found extremely high levels of coke residue in all Whitehall bathrooms.
LKnew HEO+'s who were coke dealers, had a head of a department leave his bong at our bell tent at a certain large festival, almost every department manager I've ever met has been a massive stoner.
I know people are angry over the party, but they are seriously trying to make this out to be more than it actually is.
No.540153
So wait…England dosen't get it's own state/devolved parliament? But N.I, Scotland and Wales do?
That seems sorta unfair. Why dont Anglo's ask for a state parliament lmao?
And if Scotland, N.I and Wales are getting more representation then England, Why do THEY want to secede?
No.540154
>>540153>Why dont Anglo's ask for a state parliament lmao?Fuck if I know
As far as I'm aware there's only one party that wants to make an English Parliament as part of its policy, the English Democrats, but they're pretty much an irrelevant rightoid party
No.540155
>>540152Who gives a shit? All those people deserve a scandal, lock them up for all I care. Cokefiends are usually absolute shitheads anyways.
No.540156
>>540153they polled regional assemblies for various parts of England and voters rejected them
after a campaign with substantial involvement from Dominic Cummings and co.that and there's an argument that if you create an England wide parliament, you've already basically fractured the country because England is where everyone lives. Westminster becomes essentially redundant.
alternatively: England has 530 seats, so has no risk of being outvoted at Westminster. Meanwhile Scotland/Wales/NI have the remainder, so have no hope of outvoting England at Westminster. If people in England don't like the way things are going at Westminster they can vote to change the government, if people in Scotland/Wales/NI don't, they're buggered.
inadvertently letting slip that the UK, really, is a branch of England. That the default state of British is English.additionally: cause and effect are confused in your question. there is a Scottish parliament because there was a movement for Scottish secession, a Welsh assembly because of Welsh nationalism, and a NI assembly because of Irish Republicanism.
and truthfully, saying something about parliamentary democracy in general, they only really represent a specific social constituency. the Scottish parliament is the most transparent creature of Scottish elite opinion. a clever tweak here and there on tuition fees and prescription charges, guaranteed protection for the Scottish elite (far less business oriented than the UK-wide elite) but no possibility whatsoever for actual economic redistribution.one might also argue, in a way that involves some handwaving of cause and effect and gets at some vague 'energy', that the energy which goes into regional nationalism outside England went primarily into Euroskepticism within England. No.540157
>>540153>Why dont Anglo's ask for a state parliament lmao?It would be the most sensible solution but it involves giving up the pretence of dominion over scotland and wales
No.540159
>>540158on the one hand: coke drinker, not pepsi drinker. good. approve of that.
on the other: doesn't stir before drinking. utter insanity. that's going to have the texture profile of a fucking sandcastle.
No.540162
>>540158Disgusting, couldn’t even tell it’s a woman.
No.540164
>>540163Tories have said that they're gonna be scrapping the license fee by 2027
No.540165
I for one welcome privatised zenzposting
No.540166
Interesting thread on the troubles facing Johnson and the Tories
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1482673132557189120 No.540167
>>540166Yeah agreed, their coalition is falling apart, thing is under FPTP the splintering of the party doesn't seem likely, unless we go full Canada or some shit.
No.540168
>>540158I wish we actually had the public health dominated police state of lenin-hats nightmares
No.540170
>>5401581) Its a fucking coca cola 2) I honestly have no idea how people who consume this much sugar get up in the morning. You must feel fucking terrible all the fucking time. Since quitting sugar for the most part, I can feel it the next day if I eat a bit of cake or something to splash out. Horrific. To be a member of the communist party you should be forced to undertake a good diet oath
No.540172
>>540171False equivalence.
Why can't British chauvinists who think they're socialists simply accept the Falklands should be Argentine?
Do you have oil mining investments?
No.540173
>>540172I'm not a brit or an argentine - can anyone explain to me the logic behind Argentina claiming the Falklands?
To my knowledge:
>the population is overwhelmingly of british heritage>the population is overwhelmingly in favour of remaining with the UK>argentina has no historical ties to the island beyond proximity>there were no native peoples, the islands were uninhabited when the british colonised themWhy exactly should leftists be in favour of Argentina claiming the islands?
No.540174
>>540172>False equivalence.Yeah one side did settler colonialism against an indigenous people and the other did not lamo.
No.540176
>>540175Then tell me otherwise, this is all I've ever been told.
No.540177
WHEN WILL WE GET A KERNOW DEVOLVED GOVERNMENT AND MANDATORY CORNISH LESSONS IN SCHOOLS
No.540179
>>540178Honestly the whole "they want to be british" argument is rather iffy since the people of Hong Kong also said that but we ignored it and gave it back since the PLA was a lot harder to ignore
>>540174Agreed, it's completely disgraceful what we did in Australia, Canada and Northern Ireland.
The average argie is a dark skinned mutt, no way they are settlers.
No.540180
>>540176>the population is overwhelmingly of british heritageA population that the British Empire installed on the islands having deposed the local argentinian government and banned argentinian immigration. Besides, the case for sovereignty is older than the current population of the islands. See below.
>argentina has no historical ties to the island beyond proximityYes it does have, both during the colonial period and after independence. Argentina established a settlement on it a few years after their independence wars, and the british government didn't raise objections. The argentinian settlement lasted until 1833, when british warships landed on the islands and overthrew it.
>there were no native peoples, the islands were uninhabited when the british colonised themThe Islands were uninhabited WHEN Argentina took them in 1820, as the Spanish garrison had left during the revolution and the British had left many decades earlier. Britain recognized Argentina as an independent state in 1823 and never objected to their claim on the islands. Hence the point is that Britain occupied territory of an independent state they had recognized. And Argentina has been protesting this ever since then.
No.540181
>>540180>When British warships arrived and overthrew itLol
<1832: Argentina sends a garrison commanded by Major Esteban Mestivier. Mestivier is murdered following a mutiny.Yeah they had really good control over it ngl, properly asserted authority. Kek.
No.540182
>>540179>Agreed, it's completely disgraceful what we did in Australia, Canada and Northern Ireland.See, this is the thing, latinos get hoemad at us owning an ireland where we did none of the shit we did there.
No.540183
>>540181So? Argentina was an emerging post-colonial state not a naval world power like Britain. And also the island had just been attacked by an American warship.
No.540187
>>540172nobody, british or argentine, should care about the falklands.
>but muh oildon't care. rather than arguing whether britain or argentina gets the oil, a more prudent route might be trying to make sure the oil stays in the fucking ground.
>>540179>The average argie is a dark skinned muttwdhmbt
No.540188
>>540177Nothing would be funnier to me than a bunch of Cornish (read English) people effectively becoming Cornish by making their kids learn a dead language
No.540189
>>540183So they didn't really have control of the place, did they now?
No.540190
Reminder that Britain is geographically closer to Gibraltar than Argentina is to the Falklands lol
No.540191
it's a shame i think anyone who says 'gibs' should have their fingers broken on uncharacteristically etymological grounds because otherwise i could to a banger of a joke about how it was originally called "Raltar"
No.540192
>>540190I mean if they want to make it another Australia or New Zealand they should at least put more people there than 3000k. Why fight for a piece of land they clearly don't even want?
No.540194
>>540192>Why fight for a piece of land they clearly don't even want?(a) symbolism, (b) public opinion
The government was trying to give the Falklands away in the run-up to the war, but after Argentina invaded to simply go "yeah whatever it's yours" would be to concede
defeat, to back down, to lose status, however you want to phrase it. After winning the war the opposition of the islanders to the idea of living in Argentina got more attention and the whole thing is buttressed with "we fought a war to keep this, we're not giving it away", plus the Falklands War becoming situated as the moment where Thatcher made Britain 'Great Again'
trying to turn it into a second Hong Kong would be what the Tories would do if they were the based kind of imperialist that doesn't actually exist, rather than the cringe kind that everyone in power is nowadays.
No.540196
>>540194Tbf there was also the fact Argentina was run by a murder-junta at the time.
No.540197
>>540196mostly left it out because the government was in discussions with that junta around transferring the islands in 1981, so they presumably weren't that bothered until after the fact.
in some ways the entire situation is quite funny. Britain going to war to defend a territory it was trying to get rid of, using a Navy it was trying to get rid of, under a prime ministe– oh, the joke isn't funny anymore.
No.540199
>>540198He should apologise for wearing twatty shades indoors
No.540200
Embedding error.
>>540197>mostly left it out because the government was in discussions with that junta around transferring the islands in 1981Proofs? Never heard this
No.540201
>>540200https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/BAD0573864714A95838DC583BF8C50C0.pdf(fair play to the Thatcher hagiographers, they're a boon to the prosecution. Is there a funnier line than "Both sides agreed that the fact this meeting had taken place should never become public knowledge." in a public document?)
No.540202
>>540201Ha. That's pretty funny. Guess the argies played themselves.
Honestly I know I should be anti-war but I can't see how it was wrong to defend the sovereignty of British people on British territory. But if everything could be sorted out on paper, it's definitely a shame that it wasn't. Not sure how the government would get the islanders to go along with such an agreement though.
No.540203
>>540194IIRC, wasn't the main reason the Agrentenians invaded because of a reduction of naval forces in the area?
>>540198>Daily Mail seething about StarmerAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No.540204
>>540203>AgrenteniansPosadist aliens
No.540205
>tfw no ML Doctor Who YouTubersFeels sad man (Seriously, whoever could do it will have a hell of a time reviewing Kerblam lmao)
>>540204Kek
No.540206
>>540198Not to defend the cunt but that doesn't even look like him
No.540207
who remembers these
one of the many exhibits at the Nuremberg trials of blairism.
>>540206he's already admitted it's him
No.540208
>>540207I remember when he wanted to introduce ID cards and there was an outcry
No.540209
>>540187Settler colonies tend to have low rates of race mixing (ie Israel, Australia) if the populations descend from the natives to an extent where is the line between colonial subaltern and settler being drawn?
>>540201There's also the bombs Maggie sold them that they promptly used against us.
No.540210
>>540148Stan Collymore is the true lefty football icon, Neville is a good pundit but he's basically a blairite
No.540212
>>540211Reminder that Orwell wrote 1984 based on his experences working at the BBC
No.540213
>>540212Reminder that after working at the BBC and as a cop Orwell was also a grass
No.540214
Lol, in rejecting most of the government shit in the PCSCs Bill, they also added an amendment abolishing rough sleeping as a crime. Critical support for the lords.
No.540215
>>540214Is there a material reason for the lords being this way? Is it just that they don’t have to get elected so don’t have to look muh tough on crime or something? They have a consistently better record on liberal freedoms than the elected government.
Is it just that they are so ancient many of them remember post war political hegemony? What is it
No.540216
>>540215Take the post-marxist pill. The lords live in so much luxury that they have ascended beyond the class conflict to just follow what ever liberal pet issue they want.
No.540217
>>540207God damn. Memory Hole Britain from the Blair era is so fucking strange. I can't even put my finger on whatever it is but everything from this era just has this weird like, beginning of a horror movie vibe to it. Like things are technically normal but because you know its a horror movie you know things aren't quite right, and little details seem significant.
No.540218
>>540207benefit fraud sounds like something that's like pennies lost in the sofa cushion compared to what business and politicos get up to
No.540220
>>540217i know exactly what you mean. for all the horrors of our current age, there's something relaxing about knowing that period is over. like when it's pissing down and you manage to hide in a doorway.
>>540218it is and was more or less a non-issue.
the idea of the adverts wasn't so much to discourage benefit fraud as to show the public that the government was cracking down on it. except in typical blairite fashion, it did nothing to convince people Labour was tougher than the tories on benefits or on benefit fraud, but did reinforce the impression the country had a benefit fraud problem, ultimately helping the Tories and making it easier to screw over people on benefits in general.
>>540219one wonders how much of taxpayer's precious cash was spent on them
No.540223
what country is collapsing harder: USA or UK?
No.540224
>>540223UK collapsed in the middle of the 20th century, the movement your seeing isn't survivors, just rats foraging in the ruins.
No.540225
>>540224Nah, the British Empire collapsed in the 20th Century, now it’s Collapse 2: English Boogaloo
>>540223The US is still 1/3 of an entire continent, full of resources, protected by an ocean on both sides, and has a weak sauce neighbor like Canadia to annex for water resources
UK is a cold and wet island that had to expand because they didn’t have dick within their own borders, England will fall before the US
No.540227
>>540221Labour has successfully identified its 252 realest g's. A salute to all 252.
>>540222Its almost coom time…
>>540226 No.540229
>>540222Can't get carl schmitt's laughing face out of my head as i secretly hope Johnson wins.
All the world stands against Partyman, and I stand against all the world. The enemy of my enemy illuminates the friend-enemy distinction in embarrassing technicolor.
No.540230
>>540219These are like repressed memories
No.540232
Just been to get a coffee and all the headlines are saying there has been a “plot to topple Johnson.” From inside the Tory party and there is probably enough MPs to back a no confidence vote.
Didn’t read them, just skimmed them while the machine made my coffee, it was every paper though.
No.540233
>>540231When I called them red tories that wasn't a suggestion.
No.540240
>>540238That cunt should get the fucking wall
No.540243
>>540235But but they're still the party of the labour movement so we must stay an fite
No.540248
>>540246>zionist puppet who blames everything on immigrants pursued by (((creditors))) The irony is certainly not lost on me.
No.540249
>>540248A banker that lends money to Robinson is truly the real 'self-hating Jew'.
No.540250
>>540244Isn't that literally the point of the whips? I thought everyone knew this happened.
No.540251
>>540249Mate, I don't know if you know but Tommy Robinson is literally a fully paid up mossad agent. Not being hyperbolic, look at who funds the rebel media, look at who avi yemini is
No.540254
>>540250Threatening to not provide funding for projects in a constituency is literally corruption under british law, and lord knows british corruption law is weak as fuck.
No.540255
Imagine being the one guy who went so far you actually got hit with corruption charges after all the other obvious shit going on.
No.540257
>>540244Tomorrow's headline:
>Tory whips making Pisspig Wragg feeling a little hot under the collar (and its not from urine soaking his dress shirt)! No.540259
>>540258>ywn see a news report of zombie Stalin and masked IRA guy going on a killing spree at the labour conference.Damn shame.
No.540260
>>540082I agree. lots do. Why are you not starting a campaign, project about this anon?? You will find help if you feel to do it, i promise you.
No.540263
sometimes, for a moment, i wonder if Labour is in with a chance
then i remember the voter ID thing and i throw my head back in laughter.
No.540268
>>540263with corbynism gone and that blairite faggot starmer in charge, the best the working class can hope for is if scotland, northern ireland and wales all leave the country. Sphere starmer effectively seems to have killed left labour.
No.540269
>>540268Oh it's this retard, parroting something he's heard another person say as usual. Are you lost?
No.540270
>>540264The Irish Isle will be united once again, no longer under Anglo Control. A United Ireland for all!
No.540271
>>540270A united Ireland is a net positive for everybody.
No.540272
>>540262Fisher was a fascist weirdo and the only good thing he did was die.
No.540274
>>540268Based Shay is balkanisation gangganggang
No.540275
wonder what derrida would've made of the phenomenology of cringe (this post
>>540272)
No.540276
>>540275Couldn't give less of a fuck what irony-poisoned postmodernist faggots think of anything, they will be swept aside by the proletarian storm of Bolshevism and mass red terror.
>>540130 No.540277
>>540276you couldn't so much as sweep aside the refuse in the streets and you know it in your heart
when it comes to organization you scarcely know where to start
i wrote an essay on this, its conclusion went thus:
deliver the goods.
No.540278
>>540277What I know, is that the British working class needs communism. It's the expression of our class interests. You don't take anything seriously, because you're bourgeois vermin.
No.540280
>>540052Damn Robbie Coltrane is young there.
No.540281
>>540278you take conveying attitude much more seriously than you take acquiring any degree of power.
No.540283
there once was a party named Labour
and comrades, please do me a favour
for all we love benn
let us never speak of it again.
No.540284
Benn was a social chauvinist British nationalist who supported colonialism in Ireland, supported the bourgeouis war against communism in Malaysia, and supported economically propping up apartheid regime in South Africa.
http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/19th-march-1977/8/tony-benn-heir-to-cecil-rhodes No.540285
>>540284not clicking a spectator link but i'm glad you didn't call out my questionable rhyming scheme
No.540286
is Boris gone at the end of the month?
No.540289
>On this day, 25 January 1995, Manchester United footballing legend Eric Cantona kung fu kicked a fascist football hooligan, Matthew Simmons, during a match against Crystal Palace. Simmons, who attended far-right National Front and British National Party rallies and has a raft of violent convictions including attacking a football coach who called him "Nazi scum", allegedly heckled Cantona as a "foreigner".
>Cantona's maternal grandfather was from Barcelona, and fought against the forces of fascist General Franco during the Spanish civil war, before being forced to flee to France after the nationalist victory.
>Years later appearing on the BBC, Cantona was asked what the highlight of his career was. He replied "When I did the kung fu kick on the hooligan… I think maybe it's like a dream for some, you know sometimes to kick these kind of people. So I did it for them. So they are happy."
I'm saying, based
No.540291
>>540288This is not surprising but also sort of brain breaking. Why then have the working class voted Tory for the last 10 years when they are so abjectly Islamophobic?
I mean, is it the case that working class people are also biased, just middle class people are more biased?
>>540290although what this poster says is also true. Most areas with a lot of south asian or middle eastern people are working class areas
No.540292
>>540291>Why then have the working class voted Tory It hasn't, and most proletarians don't vote because we know it's bullshit.
No.540293
>>540284>Can't read it because I'm not subcribed to itBruh
No.540294
>>540293I'm not either and I can read it? I'll paste it then.
Windhoek Windhoek, the capital of South West Africa, lies hundreds of miles from the fighting on the Angolan border, so that most of the troops one sees in the cafés and bars are on leave—in spite of their dark brown uniforms and their carbines. A high proportion are bearded, like the Boers of eighty years ago. They look fit and I saw that the officers go out on the spree with the other ranks, singing and toasting each other in beer, with a certain amount of horseplay. These troops are the only reminder that former German South West Africa, now ruled in effect by the South African government, is one of those territories in the continent where whites and black are in military conflict. While South Africa is attempting to set up an independent, multi-racial but antisocialist state, a para-military black Marxist movement called SWAPO, backed by the states to the north and by the United Nations, intends to create a new state, Namibia, named after the Namib desert which takes up most of the land.
Paradoxically Windhoek is far more peaceful than Johannesburg, from which I have come. Here you can walk the streets at night without any fear of mugging; the people who bought pistols last year are now trying to sell them back again; the blacks and coloureds are non-hostile and even sometimes friendly. Most apartheid laws were removed last year as part of South Africa's plan for a constitutional settlement, and the races now mix with a certain caution. Some swimming pools have been closed because the whites would not agree to admit blacks; in some bars, black customers will be snubbed or ostracised; but on the other hand a Windhoek man was recently fined £50 for calling a black a `kaffir' during a quarrel.
When! was here seven years ago, the hotel staff made it clear that if I would like a coloured girl, this could be arranged with discretion. Now, with the lifting of the Immorality Act, there are scenes that would horrify the fathers of apartheid. In my small German hotel, it is rare to sit at the café without three or four dark girls squeezing up beside you. After a while, so an expert explained to me, you tell them your car number and later find the required girl curled up on the back seat. The Germans, who form the majority of the whites in Windhoek itself, are not much shocked by such carryings on but some Afrikaners protest. When Windhoek Theatre threw open its doors to all races, an unknown hand scrawled on an entrance pillar: 'Today here, tomorrow on your daughters,' which made it especially rich that the first show put on to mixed
audiences was Othello, in Afrikaans. At one performance attended by 300schoolchildren, giggling broke out and Othello stalked off the stage, leaving Desdemona waiting to be murdered. 'One possible theory in connection with the uncalled for laughter,' wrote the Windhoek Advertiser, 'could very well have been Othello's costume which consisted of brief shorts in black leather embellished with several jackal-tails.'
The white `South-Westers' as they call themselves are in most ways easier-going than the South Africans. There is a frontier atmosphere in which strangers will start to tell you their aspirations and sorrows. A young Afrikaner man described to me how he had left the family farm because his brother belonged to the right-wing Verkrampte wing of the National Party, while he belonged to the Verligtes, and they had not spoken for two years. An elderly German told me of how that morning he met a woman he knew as a girl in 1935. '1 asked her if she remembered how we had kissed. I told her that if she had married me then she might be a millionairess now instead of a shop assistant. She cried. And ach, how she's changed. But I don't suppose I look too good either since I had ten teeth pulled this morning.'
Until about five years ago, South West Africa was largely ignored by the rest of the world although the United Nations agitated to obtain the authority over this former German colony that it inherited from the defunct League of Nations. The South African government chose to ignore foreign protests against its rule in the South West. Then two events forced a change of policy. First the Ovambo tribe, who form about half the territory's population of 750,000, began to protest against the low wages and unjust contracts which they had long been obliged to accept on leaving their homeland in the north. Then two years latet a revolution in Portugal led to the end of Portuguese rule in Angola, South West Africa's neighbouring territory, in which there are many Ovambos. In the Angolan civil war, which is by no means finished, South African troops have been engaged in sporadic fighting on both sides of the frontier. Meanwhile the South African premier, John Vorster, as part of his plan to confront political change in the region, decided to withdraw from the administration of South West Africa and let the tet ritory form its own government, believing that a mild black regime now was preferable to the possibility of a left-wing regime in a few years' time. If Vorster had offered South West Africa independence ten years earlier, it might have been easy to form such a tame
state, run by the Ovambo tribe, but in offering independence only under duress and without the support of many Ovambos, South Africa has been finding it difficult to create a viable government that will be recognised by the United Nations.
The constitutional talks are held lfl Windhoek's Turn halle, the gym built by the Germans before the First World War. All the tribes or groupings are represented—the Ovambos, the whites (the second largest by population), the Damaras, the Hereros, the Bastards, the Hottentots and the Bushmen. These last, represented by one small, sad delegate, are the only people indigenous to the territory but have been virtually wiped out by the Hottentots, Bantus and whites who began their invasions some three hundred years ago. The Turnhalle talks have been beset by territorial jealousies between small but mutually hostile groups of black, brown and white farmers, all of whom are conscious that the most powerful group, the 'Ovambos, are scarcely represented at all. The Turnhalle-Ovambo delegation, led bY a clergyman, have been denounced bY SWAPO as the stooges of imperialism.
Nevertheless the South African government and the white South-Westers are confident that the territory will be a viable independent state. And the man who has made South West Africa a viable, white-rue state is Anthony Wedgwood Benn, Who started the breath-taking uranium boom: It was in 1969 that the British mining company Rio Tinto-Zinc, which already exploited uranium in Canada and Australia, applied for permission to work the apparently vast deposits at Rossing, some thirty miles from the coast of South Wet Africa. In order to raise the capital for this venture, RTZ asked the British government for permission to supply the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority with uranium from this new mine, instead of (or as well as) the previous sources in Canada and Australia. The responsible minister, Tony Ben°, signed his approval. Later, he gave several different reasons why he had given s° huge a contract for uranium to a territorY held against the authority of the United Nations by a country ruled on the apartheid system. He said first that RTZ had concealed the source of uranium, which RTZ deny; second that he believed in trade as a way of promoting international understanding ; and finally that he had made a mistake. rt has been quite a hefty mistakeAlthough outsiders are not allowed la. to Rossing and all information about the mine is barred by South Africa's Atomic EnergY, Act, I did learn in the neighbouring town of Swakopmund that this is already the largest mine in the world ; that production will scoot be increased by underground mining; that a least two even larger uranium mines are to be opened nearby; and that RTZ has staked. out claims all over South West Africa. All this means that South West Africa has_ become the world's largest producer of uranium during a time when the price of the metal has risen from $6 to $35 a pound and
seems certain to go on rising because of its value as a source of fuel. As far as one can make out, uranium may soon surpass gold and diamonds as a source of South African wealth.
Besides making South Africa immensely rich, the RTZ mine has had other results Which might surprise Benn and his admirers. To provide the water for the mine, RTZ have had to pipe from an underground lake near Walvis Bay, causing conservationists to fear that South West Africa's water reserves may disappear in a few years. Already there are plans to pipe water south from the Kunene River, using a system of canals that would virtually wipe out one of the three finest game reserves in Africa. There are other 'environmental' risks from the production of uranium, admitted recently by Dennis Etheridge, chairman of A.nglo-American's gold and uranium division in an interview with the Johannesburg Sunday Times (30 January): 'Their [the ecologists') main complaint is that waste from uranium production is radioactive and therefore dangerous to health and the land. Although Mr Etheridge sees opposition by the ecologists hampering production ill countries such as Australia, he does not envisage this situation in South Africa.'
Since the Missing mine is kept in secrecy, n°hodY knows whether the labour force there has suffered in health. Nor do we know whether RTZ pays its black employees the S. ame wage rates it claims for its employees the Republic of South Africa. Evidently trie Ovambos employed there cannot be altogether satisfied as they went on a long strike last year. Nevertheless there is no shortage of applicants for employment at the Rossing Uranium Ltd Recruiting Office, in ,,SwakoPmund—sandwiched between the o_alon Cherie Ladies Hairdressers and the De.sert Inn Restaurant, 'speciality Western Fried Chicken.' . The mine has also had the effect of hugely Irtcreasing the number of whites in the coastal part of South West Africa. This thin stretch of bleak coast, strewn with wrecked shiPs, was virtually uninhabited until the discovery of its diamond wealth. The largest town
, Walvis Bay, is an enclave of the
tePtiblic, and the second town, Swakopin,uncl, was until recently a seaside resort with only about 3,000 whites. in the last few Years that figure has more than doubled; a whOle new suburb has been built ; hundreds of People are meanwhile housed in caravans; and RTZ, in its effort to keep its employees Cheerful, has offered to put up £2 million to
have TV brought down to the South West coast.
At the present price of uranium RTZ earl afford such ventures, but in 1969 it tw,ould not have been possible to finance ne mine had it not been for the guaranteed
• contract from Tony Benn.
When [was last in Swakopmund, in 1971, i_oe and Germans dreaded the advent of the mine its employees, who, as they rightly predicted, would come mostly from Britain. NOW they are glad of the mine, partly
because of the great prosperity it has brought but still more because it has bumped up the white population. It has reinforced the feeling of whites on the coast that whatever happens up on the plateau—invasion by the Ovambos, Cubans or North Koreans—they will be impregnable, protected on one side by the daunting Namib desert and on the other by a perpetually storm-racked sea. The South African army, which is said to be trained by the Israelis in desert warfare, would have no difficulty in beating off all invaders. In Swakopmund, Germans, Afrikaners and English all seem to believe that if no solution is reached at the Turnhalle talks, the coastal strip can turn itself into a kind of Kuwait or Abu Dhabi, financed by diamonds and uranium. All they need is people, who are provided by the RTZ mine.
A fitter from Sunderland, who claims to earn £300 a week at Rossing, explained to me why he had left England four years ago: 'I was buying a house on a mortgage and buying a car on HP. Then came the miners' strike. I was put out of work and lost the deposit on my car. I've nothing against unions but what they are doing in England is something else. I didn't want to go to Australia because they've got union troubles too. I've only once been back to England, when Sunderland played in the Cup Final. I flew back for three days but I hated London. It was full of blacks. I think there's going to be a bloodbath in South Africa and when it comes I'll send my wife and children home. But I'll stay and fight.'
In a book I wrote about RTZ, River of Tears, published in 1972, 1 suggested that the Rossing mine might provide South Aft ica with the means of making nuclear weapons. This year there have been reports in American newspapers that South Africa could make and may already have made nuclear weapons. Whether these are made from uranium actually mined in her territory does not matter: the wealth of !tossing, added to wealth of other minerals, has made it easy to buy all the materials and the skills for any means of defence.
The whites won power and prosperity in South Africa out of the wealth beneath its soil. It is probable that as long as the minerals are available to be mined, the whites will try to stay on. This might not be possible in the Transvaal and the Orange Free State, surrounded on all sides by unfriendly blacks, but SWAPO, the Cubans and the United Nations would have a hard job capturing Swakopmund and its neighbouring mines. Historians may come to see that Tony Benn has done more than any man since Rhodes for the sake of white supremacy in South Africa.
No.540295
>>540284Not disputing but aren't they all things the Spectator also agree with?
No.540296
>>540294>I'm not either and I can read it?You've probably got an extension that allows you to bypass shit that says you have to subscribe if you wanna read or something
No.540297
>>540288but I thought the based and red pilled white working class voted tory and hated foreigners
No.540298
>>540297All the most racist people I've met have been middle class
No.540300
>>540299The tories must have had paid this guy to destroy labor
No.540301
>>540291>Why then have the working class voted Tory for the last 10 years when they are so abjectly Islamophobic? they haven't (provided our working-middle class distinction is using British social class, not marxist class.), they've voted Labour, SNP, or not voted. It's the middle class and the elderly who vote Tory.
>>540294very much amused by an article composed mostly of not-so-subtle admiration for apartheid South Africa (an independent, multi-racial but antisocialist state!) and union bashing because if you take their word for it tony benn is a rotter so long as you don't look at the economics of it too closely, play fast and loose with causes and effects, and accept such comical explanations as
>He said first that RTZ had concealed the source of uranium, which RTZ deny(but then it is inconceivable that a multinational mining conglomerate would lie about an ex-cabinet minister.)
there is no lower gutter rag than the spectator.
and to balance that out a bit: if you really want to play with ministers, if Benn was Energy minister he presumably also had command responsibility for BP running oil to Rhodesia, though my recollection is that they lied about that to most governments. No.540302
>>540299genuinely very funny in the sense that all the people they pick will be insane fucking weirdos.
the archetypal bleeding-heart lefty is infinitely more normal than the average labour-right type, the kind of utter madman who thinks that the public are paying attention to labour's leadership or candidate selection rules, the kind of naive idiot who thought that the old system would lead to Democratic style primaries that preferred centrists because the public are just gagging to pay to vote in Labour leadership elections, the kind of utter weirdo who can quote Kinnock's Labour Council bollocks word for word. if i was a Labour campaign manager i'd rather try to wrangle a candidate list composed entirely of a greatest hits list of leftypol schizos.
No.540303
>>540300ridiculous, why pay him when he'll do it for free
No.540304
>>540301Benn's record when he was in government speaks for itself. There's no reason a member of the British bourgeois government, regularly briefed by Mi5 wouldn't have known where the uranium came from.
He's the darling of reformist British anti-communists for the same reason Corbyn is today. His words when he didn't have power.
No.540305
>>540304>There's no reason a member of the British bourgeois government, regularly briefed by Mi5that would be the government
well, actually it was the next one, but it was all the same people. MI5 tried to prevent taking office and subverted while it was in office. yes, i'm sure we could absolutely trust MI5 to brief them accurately when they're doing one of their regular briefings of the entire cabinet, since it's essential that the secretaries of state for the godforsaken regions, the minister for administrative affairs and other oddities be given access to confidential intelligence.
one may also add, pedantically, that Benn was saying words when he had more power than any British leftist since.
namely: by attacking the government he was a part of in the dying days of the Labour party, c.1976-9. a testament not to the huge amount of power he held, but to the impotence of the British left. and with that quip, i blow my chance for an elegant "and yet despite being bourgeois reformists blah blah blah, the press and the political class and every cunt with a net worth of more than £250 closed ranks to keep them as far from power as possible." No.540306
>>540305Just because they wanted a more pliant government doesn't mean the Labourites were good, what they feared was a rebellious proletariat who, in the 1970s, had arguably the strongest organisation in western Europe. The tarquins wanted a coup to crush the proletariat, not Wilson, Benn and Callaghan.
No such as the "British left" anyway, it's largely comprised of social-chauvinists. There's the revolutionary communist proletariat, and then there's capitalist of different shades.
No.540307
>>540306alas the revolutionary communist proletariat in this country consists of about 3 people in this thread. fun as they are, the closest they get to doing revolutions is playing on a roundabout while drunk. not particularly intimidating to the 67,219,997 capitalists of different shades.
as for Labour: tbh I think only Wilson and Benn bothered the security services. Callaghan's record suggests a more agreeable figure. (though probably not one who glowed, and perhaps still subverted by the US.)
(tbh i'm too lazy to type out anything like my full case, but it's essentially that even if we say Wilson was nothing more than a skilled politician who wanted to stay in office by holding Labour together, what flowed from that was a tilt to the left, which was unacceptable. Callaghan on the other hand was easier to steer down the path to oblivion following what is now received wisdom.)
which gestures in the direction of: a hard coup wasn't necessary for them to win, but evidentially they were fighting on all fronts instead of arbitrarily writing off this area or that because they'd really rather be fighting on different territory in accordance with their idealizations.
a point that i'd thoroughly emphasize doesn't mean anything as concerns current parliamentary "politics", which are as false as those of any tinpot state you can imagine. No.540308
>>540307>67,219,997 capitalists of different shadesLol everyone in Britain is a capitalist now yeah? News to me…
No.540309
>>540308Not everyone, there's still you, me and the other guy…
No.540310
>>540304>Benn's record when he was in government speaks for itselfWhat is his record?
No.540313
>>54031120 years later he couldn't figure out what manufacturing consent is
No.540315
>>540310See these posts. He's the darling of the respectable well-to-do British left.
>>540294>>540284 No.540319
would be interested to know the class position (both marxist and british-social-class) of Labour members and MPs over time. i assume the data for the latter is out there and that the former isn't.
(though i recall from somewhere or another reading that 1997's intake of Labour MPs had more millionaires than manual workers.)
No.540321
>>540317there should be immediat eimplementation of a negative gary tax, gary offsets and gary credits
No.540322
>>540315I'm Irish but didn't know about Benn's complete lack of action with regards to Ireland. Not really convinced by that mining article for the reasons socdem poster stated.
The Mayfair Set by Adam Curtis briefly touches upon how it was the Wilson Labour government (with Tony Benn as the minister in charge) who backed Jim Slater's proposal for corporate takeovers. Christopher Fildes looks so smug when bringing this up lol.
Watch from 5:00 for a couple of minutes -
https://youtu.be/2g1qU-MO_D8 In saying this, even in this article (
https://www.revolutionarycommunist.org/europe/ireland/2210-the-irish-hunger-strike-were-you-with-benn-or-the-h-block-men) about how terrible Tony Benn was with regards to British imperialism in Ireland, pic related hits me hard.
Even if Tony Benn was far from perfect, is there any major politician in the country who has even come close to him? Can't believe he lost the deputy leadership election by <1% - with Neil Kinnock choosing to abstain.
>with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back No.540323
>>540320Leaving out UKIP.
Membership of political parties is overwhelmingly middle class.
No.540324
>>540317Imagine calling your son something that could easily confused with the lamest colour in existence.
No.540325
>>540322Depends on whether or not you think being a major politician is important, or how you define that. Aside from CPGB members like Gallacher and Saklatvala, there's never been anyone in Parliament that actually represents us, the British proletariat.
No.540326
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xUtvvv6g928Novara being uncharacteristicly based.
This is rightly a complete tearing apart of the met, even goes as far as to fall out their freemasonic corruption.
Every officer, a legitimate target.
No.540327
Police officer = rapist, racist, fascist.
No.540328
>>540323This source is old, UKIP has no members anymore.
No.540329
>>540326It's pointless bourgeois drama.
The overall message should be that clearly the ruling class weren't scared of covid, so nor should we be.
No.540330
>>540329>the met systematically covering for their own and the ruling Conservative party involving freemasonic association is just bourgeois drama Hmmmmm.
They’re not afraid of covid because they’re on private healthcare and will definitely get a ventilator
No.540331
>>540330Crying about "freemasons" is fascist-"jews did the french/october revolution" style stuff; masons don't run society, billionaire capitalists do. It's like when people cry about Kllaus Schwab instead of Gates, Zuckerberg, Bezos.
No.540332
>>540331Yeh mate Novara media are actually anti semite fascists.
In fact, some Freemasons do run certain elements of society, as evidenced by the inquiry referenced in that video.
>present an opinion haver with a fact >um.. well I don’t think it’s like that. I don’t care you’re wrong
No.540333
>>540329>The overall message should be that clearly the ruling class weren't scared of covid, so nor should we be.They don't need to be scared of COVID if they ensure the general masses aren't spreading it through restrictions
No.540334
>>540333>if they ensure the general masses aren't spreading it through restrictionsExcept they're explicitly not doing that. The bourgeoisie aren't worried because they can afford to isolate indefinitely and buy access to expensive treatments like monoclonal antibodies. They aren't worried because for them covid is a poor person's disease.
No.540335
>>540332They're an op.
"Communists" like Sarkar wouldn't be media celebrities otherwise.
No.540336
>>540333lolol, all the messaging we had in 2020-2021 was
STAY HOME PROTECT THE NHS SAVE LIVES endless stories and video clips of people in hospitals. real MI5 shit. meanwhile the bourgeoisie, tory party chiefly, were gallivating around britain.
i mean, i ignored the restrictions as well of course, but the overall point is that those in power who know the reality were not cowering at home, and many of them are 50+ and fat.
No.540337
>>540329>The overall message should be that clearly the ruling class weren't scared of covid, so nor should we be.They have excellent healthcare to recover, the masses doesn't.
No.540338
>>540337Funny, yet they were telling us "ANYONE CAN GET IT" and wanted us to be scared. As if they care for our health lol.
No.540339
>>540338So what? They are right in that anyone can get corona, but the class structure ensures but the poors suffer from this more than them.
You should not let their antics live rent free in your head and be contrarian to them.
No.540340
>>540339Like I said I ignored the restrictions even back then in spring 2020 when it was clear it wasn't that dangerous and the horror stories from China of people dropping dead in the streets were bullshit.
Remember that story about Johnson going into hospital they concocted to scaremonger? That got memory holed fast. Meanwhile they were kicking workers out of hospitals.
Absolute nazi bastards
No.540342
today I am announcing the Labour campaign for anyone who hasn't taken, at the very least, STAT1917 Statistics for Social Scientists to never say anything about coronavirus ever again.
No.540343
>>540342Experts are the shit of the nation.
No.540344
>>540341>Long Live the People!Working class you mean. "People" includes the bourgeoisie and other toadies.
No.540345
>>540344Nah it’s cool porky isn’t people
No.540346
>>540345We just need to speak of the proletariat, nobody else. Let the proletarianised petit bourg join us, let the haute die.
No.540348
>>540343such a course would constitute expertise in talking about coronavirus only in the sense that having eyesight constitutes a degree in bridge engineering.
No.540349
Can anyone even imagine what a revolution or civil war in this country would like? Its so small but packed to the brim with technology. I can't imagine it as anything except a massive internal anarchy.
No.540350
>>540331Midwit, the upper class have to have ways to communicate with each other and in this country groups like the freemasons serve that purpose.
No.540352
>>540348"Leave it to the experts bro" is fascist demoralisation of the working class and our ability to think.
No.540353
>>540352i know you don't do jokes, but the point is precisely the opposite: a belief that literally fucking anyone could learn enough statistics to eliminate the most tedious layer of coronavirus discussions.
(though most people shouldn't - they should ignore it and just get on with their lives. maybe play civ 5.)
No.540355
>>540353positive action is not enforced through alienated modes of pragmatic regulation but by democratic mind controls, which is the moralism of a poster i saw at home bargains "be kind, wear a mask" - people dont care about obligations, they care about being spoken to like naughty school children, which is what this elitism of "the experts" is gathered in, in our middle-class intellectual insulations so commonly vomited out on television. people would be able to ignore it if it wasnt shoved down their throats
No.540356
>>540355Petit bourg scum will cry and shid whenever they are told they have some kind of obligation to someone else, it doesn't matter how you phrase it, they're just psychopaths
No.540357
>>540356the issue is that all this is a sublime critique of the state and it's ineffectiveness to respond to problems and how it individualises social issues, its like environmentalism or homelessness, it is externalised towards market responsibilities rather than government response [which obviously is a tory staple]. the state should simply put up regulations and then the price is literally manifest in rising costs of consumption, which redirect a market logic onto people - the liberal solution is a disaster, as we see in this celebrity involvement, "we're all in this together", okay?
No.540358
>>540356i actually remember quite fondly standing in the breadlines waiting to get into asda since they limited capacity, but it was still functional of impersonal affairs, money became temporalised and so represented a preferred form of abstracted social sacrifice, rather than any humanist garbage.
No.540359
really, really hoping Tory head office and the press re-use the "Starmer didn't prosecute Savile" attack line in the next election
if i was Tory campaign manager i'd make the public think Jimmy Saville's corpse is his fucking shadow chancellor.
(yes, dear reader, you are watching the friend-enemy distinction in politics slowly drive a fellow to madness. fortunately, i don't have the accent to get anywhere in Tory politics.)
No.540360
>>540359every time starmer opens his mouth the labour party lose support, literally. he will be his own undoing. would be good though, after this schizophrenic infinite-angled attack on boris for the tories to play the moral highground
>i don't have the accent to get anywhere in Tory politicsgood.
No.540365
>>540363>Burn St George's crossesno
No.540366
So in a hypothetical U.K. guerrilla insurgency against the capitalists, which areas become a no go for the neo Black and Tans? What are the key battle grounds?
No.540368
>>540367my inner economist wants to know how many people buy the straight men ticket versus how many straight men lie to get one of the cheaper options.
who will pay £87.36* to be honest, or to signal their honesty or their allegiance, or because they're a true believer, under what circumstances, and does this tendency vary by income?
*assuming "24,64" is doing that weird German thing, and not "pay 24 or 64" or "pay between 24 and 64"
No.540369
>>540368Anyone who would buy any of these tickets has to be put in a mental asylum
No.540370
>>540367I’m so glad I don’t go to mdma nights anymore. It was cringe enough when it wasn’t woke. I can’t even imagine what it’s like now.
No.540372
>>540371This is based actually, Zionist pigs fuck off
No.540374
>>540371And when does this happen?
No.540375
>>540353Yes yes, the plebs should ignore everything and leave it to their overlords.
No.540376
>>540375the alternative, at present, is to pay attention and leave it to their overlords.
i, for one, wouldn't wish such misery and madness on anyone.
No.540377
>>540359I really like that episode of The Thick of It when they're at the radio station and both sides candidates are obliterating each other on air, and Malcolm Tucker is like 'oh, and shall I tell everyone about the senior government minister who turned up to a party in a blonde wig, fishnets, and FUCKIN BLACKFACE! What's he gonna fucking say eh, "oh, but I'm only de /shadow/ chancellor!'
Sorry I know that wasn't relevant. Well it kinda is cause the premise of the episode is that both sides are basically doing MAD on scandals.
No.540378
>>540377Fucking kek, which episode?
No.540379
>>540378Season 3 episode 5 according to google
No.540381
>>540373> One person who saw the tweet, Janet Hunter Jess, told the court of her hurt at the message.
>The 72-year-old, whose family served in the armed forces, said: “To see someone wishing British soldiers dead, it still hurts me. It still hurts me that anybody would disrespect someone that had given their live for the country.”
>Another person who saw the tweet, Luzier Jeffery, Kelly’s neighbour at the time, said she was “shocked” when she saw the message.
>Ms Jeffrey, 51, stated: “First of all, the gentleman in question had done so much to raise awareness and funds for the NHS in England and became a bit of a national hero at the time, but then the fact it referred to British soldiers as well.Jesus Christ you really can’t say anything any more ooooh muh British soldiers. Yeh they are all murderers mate next question.
You can literallt stand it parliament and talk about bombing fuck out of anywhere brown or drowning migrants or whatever, but mention one ikkle British soldier and it’s suddenly beyond the pale.
This attitude, this is why British soldiers are considered in the manner they are.
Also who fucking calls the police for a tweet honest to god insane Karen
No.540382
>>540376Actually it's to kill our overlords
No.540383
captain tom was just a psyop, he wasn't real.
No.540384
>>540383You had me with you until the "he wasn't real" ngl
No.540385
>>540381Is it just me or is this burger brained thinking? You get a lot of anti-war veterans and military people over there because there are a lot that are basically forced into it for immigration and student loans etc, over here you meet people who are recent veterans and they tend to be insane fascists
No.540386
fucking lol at starmer getting into hot water over jimmy savile of all people
you know you fucked up when tories are calling you a nonce
No.540387
>>540386Jimmy Savile WAS a Tory…
No.540388
>>540387Thankfully when every publication in the country is controlled by Rupert Murdoch, the truth can be whatever you want to to be
No.540389
>>540387no he wasn't, he was a corbyn voter
No.540391
>>540359Starmers top advisor was literally convicted of corruption multiple times and was best friends with Epstein and Maxwell.
Surprised people don't attack him over this more.
No.540395
>>540392Always found the -5 for wilson and -5 for the liberal party in Akehurst's nutter test interesting. the former because of how successful he was electorally
and because the left-criticism of him is that he did far too little (a -5 suggesting both that the right don't give a fuck about electoral results and that Wilson was 'too left wing' for these people), the latter because it reveals a perverse and harmful trait - Labour partisanship, an unwillingness to just fuck off and join the lib-dems where they nominally belong.
I'd say to look forward to some grade-A copium on election night, but they'll contrive a way to blame it on the left. still, at least the right-wing freaks in the future candidates program will have to join the future JobSeeker's Allowance program instead.
No.540396
>>540395> Labour partisanship, an unwillingness to just fuck off and join the lib-dems where they nominally belong.Yep, it's why I always fucking eyeroll when I see these Labour right dicks call "Corbynites" entryists. No, the "Corbynites" were the party base always, the entryists are these embarrassed Rightoid Libs who ran came into the party in the 1990s and are simply too authoritarian for the Lib Dems.
Legit don't get the r/UKpolitics types who jerk off over the Labour right, the Labour right are every bit just as disingenuous and sleazy as Boris, if not arguably worse in the case of Mandelson, Ellman, Akehurst and Campbell.
No.540397
>>540396Such people have always existed within Labour
No.540398
>Johnson admits Starmer not personally involved in Savile prosecution decisions - three days after he implied otherwise
fat fucking mong
his apology was actually equivocal enough that i'd still be confident i could ask the sun to run paedo keith headlines in the last week of the election, but still.
No.540399
>>540398Media and Labour right having a cry over this is fucking hilarious after what the shit they spouted daily against Corbyn since the start of the 2015 leadership elections.
Starmer employs Peter "Epstein Island local" Mandelson as his chief advisor and Starmer supports the Spy Cops, he's a fucking Nonce supporter who glows like the fucking sun.
No.540401
>Starmer had nothing to do with the Saville casehttps://ico.org.uk/media/action-weve-taken/decision-notices/2014/955456/fs_50511840.pdfWhy do UK Journalists have absolutely zero ability to even do a basic google search?
No.540403
>>540402What a cunt. coughtaxcheat
No.540405
>>540402Irish Travellers aren't even real gypsies wtf
No.540406
>>540402Yeah truly shocking that a bourgeois British comedian loves nazism
No.540407
>>540405We have Romani in Britain too.
No.540408
>>540401Or stupid twats on here for that matter
No.540409
>>540405If you work in the service sector you will learn to fear irish accents
No.540415
>>540414Based and Oceania-pilled
No.540416
who the fuck even is Jimmy Carr anymore is it 2007 or something?
No.540418
>>540417my fucking sides
can I get that third pic without the IngSoc watermark? That shit is gold
No.540420
>>540418Have all of them Comrade
No.540421
>>540417How on earth are they third positionist?
No.540422
>>540419Much appreciated, good shit
No.540423
Bourgeois British nationalists and shit for brains fascists really hate Harpal Brar lol. Goes along with their usual racism. Plenty of Indians have been in the British communist movement going back to Saklatvala.
A thought just occurred to me that when the proletarian revolution comes to Britain, it will be "Indo-Bolshevism" that will be our "Judeo-Bolshevism".
No.540425
>>540424> sometimes has very stupid opinions about sound a bit more third positionExamples? Social conservatism is unfortunately very widespread in ML due to historical reasons (the social views of Stalin). Stalin-cults are not very rare, I'm sorry to tell you. But I don't think this is enough to warrant calling them "Third Position" unless you have more damning examples in terms of their econo-political takes.
No.540426
>>540424No it just has too many Dengists.
No.540427
>>540426It seems bipolar on the China question
No.540428
>>730377
Nazbols aren't real you fucking terminally online retard.
We've gone full 180 from making shitty fake nazbol memes back when leftypol was on 8chan to fucktarded liberals hallucinating a nazbol menace around every corner for fuck's sake what happened to this board? Anyone who says "red fash" "nazbol" "strasserite" "red brown" etc. unironically instantly outs themselves as a delusional twitter poisoned american.
No.540429
>>540425Socialist conservatism itself is a third position ideology
No.540431
>>540427It's just reflective of the wider struggle between Dengist deviationism and Marxism-Leninism.
No.540432
>>540428tbf there is (was) a (small?) contingent of mongs who thought nazbol was a good descriptor for "not a nazi but still nationalist" or whatever bullshit. (if American politics brings the left inane liberalism, isaac newton teaches us it must bring an equal and opposite force - inane reactionaries.)
less a boogyman, more a red-under-the-bed. you
could have one, but most of the time there's nobody under the bed but notorious nonce defender sir keir starmer.
>>540430weren't the nazbols originally a bit of a pisstake.
/ this is like saying online anti-revisionists are "Communist Party of the Soviet Union". Literally not one online Nazbol will have ever read anything by actual Rusisan national bolshevik members.
No.540433
>>540428=Don't mess with a person who knows a lot about a specific ideology=
=And maybe you're actually the online retard=
No.540434
>>540429What is your tendency?
No.540435
>>540430>Spamming wikipediaHolodomor has a wikipedia article too does that mean it's real you retard?
Schizo or confused ramblings of a couple people does not make a political ideology real. Without an actual theory, followers, and material interests at stake there is no political "nazbol" faction. For instance the first "Nazbol" party formed in Russia was during the chaotic 90s and was nothing more than teenage punks using soviet iconography mixed with nazi symbology to seem edgy and to vent frustration with the liberal order. To call this incoherent rage a "movement" or political faction is like calling a stray dog shitting on a sidewalk a "protest leader".
No.540436
>>540433Yeah I've read this. Now please explain how a couple ex-KPRF idiots during Weimar Germany who decided to splinter and achieved zero votes, built no party apparatus, and achieved fuck all in recognition have anything to do with modern politics or hell just politics in general seeing as they had no support whatsoever? That's right, you fucking can't and no one screaming "nazbol" as a slur can explain either. kys.
No.540438
>>540436there's nobody in the west that identifies as 'nazbol', but there are plenty of crypto-rightists parading themselves as supposed leftists that deserve the slur attached to them
No.540439
>>540438>there's nobody in the west that identifies as 'nazbol',case closed thanks for admitting that you are literally perpetuating a FUCKING SPOOK that doesn't exist into the minds of idiots. great job.
No.540440
>>540435tbf once you set the bar that high you reveal the dirty secret of online politics: less than 1% of the people involved actually have any 'politics' to speak of, rather than just incoherent opinions, vibes, and aesthetics.
>>540439if a gaggle of /pol/ mongs went around calling themselves spades, would you call a spade a spade or would you insist a spade is a gardening implement and that these people are mongs?
No.540441
>>540439I wouldn't personally use the term 'Nazbol' however when you have Caleb Maupin and Haz running around, I can see why someone would
No.540444
what are you thinking, Anglo comrades, is Johnson done for or will he make it?
No.540445
>>540423>A thought just occurred to me that when the proletarian revolution comes to Britain, it will be "Indo-Bolshevism" that will be our "Judeo-Bolshevism".As retarded as you are this is completely true.
No.540447
>>540444Oh he's done, the question is how he goes. He won't ever resign,
No.540448
>>540445Maybe I'm not "retarded" then, prick.
No.540449
>>540446Republican Socialists, duh
No.540450
>>540435>Holodomor has a wikipedia article too does that mean it's real you retard?Want a good laugh, go read the talk page for the "Uyghur Genocide" page. Pretty much everyone with a brain is calling it out for being hyper biased with already debunked falsified claims all through it, but the power editors are basically just ramroading through their bullshit US porkie propaganda.
No.540453
>>540452Oh shit I did a typo
No.540454
>>540450>>540435Of course I kown the Holodomor is mostly a fascist propaganda stunt that has taken over the world and plus the starvation's in the Soviet Union are the fault of failed harvests and greedy Kulaks who burn the Fucking grain. And don't share with everyone else.
Uyghur Genocide is fake and propaganda by the CIA and MI6
Uyghurs are actually respected by the government of the PRC but the People's Republic of China does have problems.
No.540455
>>540446>>540451I used to think socdemflag or shaytan were the most annoying people here but you've blown them out of the water
No.540457
>>540456Socialist Party and CPB have both shot up in membership in the last year, 2000 and mid 1000s. Which considering public activity has been several limited due to covid that's pretty impressive. We could see proper Leninist orgs coming together in the next decade as new members become more experienced.
No.540458
>>540457Hopefully the CPB casts aside the idea that they need to tail the Labour party at all times. They need to get rid of the useless old cunts that have been there since the 70s and refuse to go away
No.540459
>>540458Labour is fully neolib at this point, if SPB want a single seat they'll go their own way
No.540460
>>540457>Socialist PartyWhich one?
No.540461
>>540460SPEW, former Millitant Labour, only trots worth anything on this island tbh.
No.540462
>>540461No, they're still shit
No.540463
boris refuses to withdraw the jimmy saville jibe directed at sir kenneth starmer, what are we going to do r/labour ???
No.540464
>>540463It's sickening, Sir Starmer was almost murdered by a violent mob
No.540465
>>540423About 10 people in the country even know who Harpal Brar is.
No.540466
If starmer wasn’t an Mossad agent he could simply hit back with Boris’ own comments about how Prince Andrew is beyond reproach. But of course that wouldn’t be proper…
No.540467
>>540462Why lmao, Millitant labour in Liverpool is a really important moment to learn from in terms of learning how to fight against austerity based programs. They're council housing building is one of the reasons Liverpool is still the strongest Labour strongholds.
No.540470
>>540469>Lived in DPRKWait, really?
No.540471
don't think people dwell enough on all the shit that was thrown at corbyn. people remember the funny stuff, or occasionally the comical lies that people still believe, but trying to contemplate the scale of all of it is like trying to comprehend the size of Jupiter when you've not even seen Earth from space. (in person, photos don't count.)
and oh how easily things slip under the rug - like how the press and the politics wankers rationalise that johnson saying the spheir is a nonce defender makes him directly culpable for starmer being mobbed, but that they've so easily for forgotten little episodes like that time the finsbury park mosque attacker straight up said "yeah, my original plan was to murder Corbyn", how little self reflection such a thing prompts. It was all very careless and confused. They were careless people, Tom and Daisy—they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made. . . .
never forget that practically everyone involved is irredeemable on a personal level. statistically, when a labour MP loses their seat at the next election you should cheer. when a newspaper goes bankrupt you should cheer. when a gigantic comet threatens to land directly on the UK and cause global crop failures for years to come as all the blackness and bitterness blocks out the sun, as well as a 20% chance of precipitation there's an 80% chance you should cheer.
No.540473
>>540471well it's a given that everyone in the media should be gulaged, but it's not very clear what we should do about it, I don't see how we can ever beat the propaganda machine beaming directly into people's brains
No.540475
>>540469I liked him in peaky blinders as the priest
No.540476
>>540470https://www.nknews.org/category/north-korea-news-podcast/older-podcasts/talking-rastafarianism-with-north-koreans-nknews-podcast-ep-140/890458/>Benjamin Zephaniah joins the NK News podcast to talk about his visits to North Korea. This includes breaking vegan bread with a North Korean chef, reading and teaching poetry with university students in Pyongyang, Rastafarianism and why he believes there’s nothing like people power to reunify the Korean peninsula.He also turned down his OBE because he's against empire. Also does most of his writing in China.
He's an all around great role model and one of few positive things in the English curriculum.
>>540472>Not a single reason givenBlah blah and Shakespeare is shit and Of Mice and Men was dull blah blah.
I'm older than you broski. You're old enough to stop trying to rebel against your English lit teacher and learn to think, boyo.
No.540477
>>540476Holy fucking based
>>540475Same lmao, speaking of, what's everyone's thought on the show?
No.540479
>>540478??????????????? Seriously Falklands War China edition
No.540480
>>540479Well to be honest the Falklands were ancient Chinese land especially during the Qing Dynasty
No.540482
>>540476You seem like a schizo
No.540483
>>540478What do folks here think of the Falklands issue? Was Britain wrong to go to war?
No.540484
>>540483Unironically, the one good thing Thatcher did.
No.540485
Blue checkmarks and twitter trying to turn some antivaxx people shouting at Starmer into the UK's Jan 6th is truly cringe.
No.540486
>>540485As if Brits would ever be cool enough to do a jan 6th. Maybe if love island got cancelled
No.540487
>>540483>>540484Fuck the Argie fascists for giving Thatcher an excuse to look heroic
No.540488
>Countdown is discussing the term "Woke"
What the fuck bros…
No.540489
>>540477>>540475Unironocally the only reason I watched the show was because he was in it. Apparently based on a real person but idk. Generally yea I liked the show, great acting and set/costume design. Music choice of Nick Cave amoung others was very good.
So yea, good production peaky blinders. Rate it.
No.540492
>>540491>Our party was foundational in forming the postwar allianceYeah I bet it was, cunt.
No.540493
>>540492don't forget his paean to Ernie "communism is a Jewish plot, and btw the jews are plotting to get me" Bevin - oddly, i'm not sure that'll be cited as evidence that Labour is institutionally antisemitic…
or "the two N's - the NHS and Nato" (presumably he declined Blair's advice to throw in a third 'n' word to show he wasn't "woke")
once you remember he'll never be prime minister, that he's just trying to play-act Blair's role of America's poodle without the slightest hope of actually having the lead clipped on, it all becomes so deeply, deeply funny.
No.540495
>>540484Nah fam only good thing thatchers did was introduce Needle exchanges at the height of the AIDs scare against the will of her entire cabinet.
Unironocally a actual based thing to do.
No.540496
>>540495tbh the difference between the UK and US AIDS responses is fascinating, given both countries had profoundly reactionary governments.
No.540497
Burger here, I fear that next election cycle that if Labor wins that it'll be like our Biden; you'll have a neoliberal centrist who's a do nothing lame duck PM administration because they simply wanted to get Boris Johnson out.
No.540498
>>540497Don't worry, they won't win.
No.540499
>Lavrov said, "Do you recognize Russia's sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh oblasts?">Truss said the UK would "never" do so – before the ambassador told her they're not in Ukrainehowling. she's going to make an incredible prime minister.
>>540497the upshot of a parliamentary system is that a year from the election the conservatives can dump a lame duck leader and knee labour in the balls if they're lead by a joke candidate like Kinnock or Starmer.
(it's the oldest trick in the book but it works more often than not)
No.540501
>>540493>(presumably he declined Blair's advice to throw in a third 'n' word to show he wasn't "woke")the third "n" has to be "nonce"
No.540502
>>540499>Truss said the UK would "never" do so – before the ambassador told her they're not in UkraineLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
christ, the only reason I know rostov is in russia and logically concluded voronezh was as well cause it was trolling, is because they have a football club i've heard of
No.540504
>>540491>Labour strongly backs an economic crime bill to create a proper register of overseas entities in property and asset ownership, reform of Companies House to give it a regulatory function, and the rapid implementation of the sensible recommendations in the recent report on Russia by parliament’s intelligence and security committee.lmao imagine how cucked you'd have to be to install a mechanism for expropriating all foreign oligarchs and porkie real estate funds BUT only using it to appease some shit-eating russiagate libs in langley
mi5 haven't trained keith properly, he's too fucking obvious as a glowie
No.540505
>>540497We live under neo-liberalism, of course that will happen. Starmer has strong authoritarian anti-democratic tendencies himself, he's been purging the entire labour party because he doesn't like the average member's opposition to neo-liberalism. At this point I honestly don't care who gets in. At least BoJo is more entertaining.
No.540506
>>540505The socdem kiddie has logged in
No.540507
>Tony Blair: ‘Voters don’t want a situation where women can’t talk about being women’
i for one await the CPGB-ML/Galloway Alliance's "Yes, Iraq was bad, but the woke mob going after Sir Tony just for speaking his mind really is fascism…" article
No.540508
>>540507These people also exist within CPB, not sure why they get a free pass
No.540509
>>540508Do they? Fucking hell didn’t think it was that bad
No.540510
>>540499Jesus Christ. Footage?
>>540504This starts off so well and seems so based and then … oh… oh
No.540511
I don't really trust the NIP. The SNP started off nominally a left "social democratic" party as well (the NIP calls itself "democratic socialist, which is the "social democracy" of today) and quickly shed any pretenses of being a left wing party once it got popular. The exact same will happen if the NIP gets popular. A right faction within the party will start saying "but we're alienating potential right wing voters with all this lefty nonsense, lets just be neutral!" and that will be it.
No.540512
>>540496Thatcher and the Tories more generally weren't a part of the religious right. The Yanks saw gays dying as god's divine judgement, the tories saw it as personal responsibility; the latter still promotes a response (for example the scary anti-AIDS safe sex ads which shifted the public towards using protection more generally).
No.540513
>>540491Pure Peter Mandelson seethe over StW destroying Blair's legacy.
The cunt has his hand so far up Starmers ass it's literally controlling his mouth.
No.540514
>>540511Why would you even waste time writing that about something so insignificant?
No.540515
>>540514Why would you even waste time writing something so insignificant about something that's so insignificant you stupid cunt?
No.540516
>>540515Triggered, carry on being shook by a party that has a fucking whippet as its logo LMAO
No.540517
>>540516That's the point fuckface. If Northern Independence turns out to be an irresistible force the working class supports then I'll relent, but at the moment it seems to be nothing more than a pathetic distraction. I am from the North, but it is clear that the decisive blow to the capitalists must come from London. To cut off all ties to the poor South England (of which there are many and they are the most powerful force within the UK) to chase some stupid neoliberal deadlock like that which the SNP have created is counter productive in the extreme to me.
No.540518
>>540517There is the small factor that only 3 people and a dog are in the NIP, you triggered little vagina
No.540519
>>540511Imagine a world where the UK is dominated by a dozen different liberal regional parties that don't have the balls to leave.
No.540521
Listen. In case any of you hadn't noticed, the formation in Britain that will be bring us to a revolutionary situation doesn't exist. That's it. People have their pet projects. Vote for whoever if you must. Simply non of these are revolutionary socialist organisations. A hand full actually even have stated revolutionary aims. Zero and I mean ZERO. None. Have the revolutionary praxis required.
None, zero, again ZERO of the revolutionary parties with stated revolutionary aims have any base at all within the workers institutions, even the membership is scant, never mind leadership or direction. There are one or two cases where a holdover from the 70s remains (RMT) aside from that, no.
There is no underground militant socialist formation, or if there is, it isn't worth shit. I know of possibly one group who attempt to do this, I have huge reservations about how they go about it. The fact I know about it casting serious doubt on exactly how seriously they have taken it.
Why do you need an underground militant organisation? Because you need a core with steely resolve, unity of purpose, the ability not to be embedded with federal agents and yes, the ability to carry out things which are against the law. You must be able to conduct black propaganda operations, none of this is possible to do as part of an open organisation and that is a fact. Your movement will be beset with issues if you cannot do these things. You must be a potent, disciplined organisation willing and capable of anything. You must win over the working class by consent to your actions. From this group you must have a strong position in the workers movement.
The SNP? Shit. Labour? Shit. NIP? Shit. Lib dems. Shit. Greens (i voted for them) Shit. Alba (again, i voted for them, cockshott is part of them) still shit shit shit. Tories (obvious shit) brexit party. Shit. CPB. Youth going in the right direction in some areas, but on the whole still shit. CPGB-ML. Good at socialist history, ultimately shit. SWP and any of its splits. Kek. Fucking Lmao. Absolute dogshit. SSP (one of these) shit. Its all complete fucking shit.
No.540522
>>540521Okay then do something about it
No.540523
>>540521>CPB. Youth going in the right direction in some areas, but on the whole still shit.Why?
No.540525
is it true journalists were tweeting about Starmer as a future Labour leader before he'd actually joined the Labour party?
haven't dug up much myself (other than early Labour-Starmer content like this puff piece
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2009/sep/21/keir-starmer-director-public-prosecutions ) but it seems like the sort of thing our resident glow-trackers might know more about. "literal cop glows" isn't exactly breaking news, but there's a gap between saying the CIA killed Kennedy and saying
how they did it.
No.540526
>>540525He was being shilled as a future leader by shitlibs well before he was leader, dunno about journalists.
No.540527
>>540525Honestly why would the glowies NOT try to take over every political party? Their goal is to ensure stability and continued capitalism, the biggest possible threat to their masters is a genuinely anticapitalist party getting in power. Clearly there is no revolutionary left (also due to their influence) so electoralism is our only hope, so why not crush it mercilessly?
No.540528
Sad that America gets all the dementia politicians. If we had Biden here we could get serious mileage out of "Sundowning Street"
No.540529
The BBC has Garry Kasparov talking about how dictator Stalin wanted to invade Europe.
Genuinely reckon everyone should who works at the BBC deserves to be thrown down a pit Ustashe style.
No.540532
Just remembered about the Chagos Islanders, shits fuck lads
No.540534
>Scargill’s response was entirely opposed. Saying that he met Khruschev and Bulganin at the 1957 Congress, Scargill claims to have told them, “You can’t get rid of him [Stalin] by removing his body from the mausoleum, you know. You can’t rewrite history and he did play a valuable part during World War Two.”
Legend.
No.540535
>>540533What's the tune at the end from?
No.540537
>>540521Socialist Party wins once again 😎
No.540538
>>540521Who's in the lead wrt rapes? Still the SWPies?
No.540539
>>540537Absolute joke of a party, more interested in performative identity politics than fighting capitalism
No.540542
>>540540nice quads sir kenneth
No.540545
>>540540Starmer unrionically looks like a Nazi and isn’t Starmer a German last name? Anyways he also loves to purge his party so he’s def got some Nazi in his blood. Why didn’t you Brits cancel him instead of Jeremy Corbyn?
No.540546
>>540540Glowies? Noticed.
No.540547
https://thecommunists.org/2020/06/02/news/workers-party-sets-course-despite-lockdown/having a little chortle at this puff piece
>The prestige of the CPGB-ML has grown immeasurably from this work, and our comrades have spoken on LBC radio, appeared on Press TV news, on RT’s CrossTalk, on Al-Mayadeen TV’s Kalima Horra, on Chinese radio and on French, Turkish and Chinese television stations. As a result of this exposure and our leading role in the WPB, our party is acquiring many new supporters.just a perfect mixture of that self-important party-organ tone and the pride in taking a leading role in an electoralist party which has never won an election.
No.540548
>Labour’s deputy leader Angela Rayner has said Britain’s terror police should “shoot first” and “ask questions second”, as the party sets out its credentials on law and order.
>The senior figure distanced herself from Jeremy Corbyn’s approach to criminal justice issues, saying she was on a “different page” to the former Labour leader.
No.540549
>>540548I know you used to be able to get a tonne of free votes by just running the "tough on crime" line but I feel the current narrative on the plod isn't very positive for a lot of people.
No.540550
>>540548>“shoot first” and “ask questions second”Four words, Jean Charles de Menezes
No.540552
>>540551Rayner especially, I've seen her do public speaking and she strikes me as unbelievably stupid, she can barely string a sentence together
No.540553
>>540552This just makes it even funnier that she totally out manoeuvred Starmer
No.540556
>>540539People make fun of trot papers then just make shit up anyway 😒🙄😴
No.540557
>>540548Labour has genuinely lost the complete and total fucking plot.
Shoot first ask questions later, public shaming lists for non-violent drug users, ASBOs. Literally hyper-authoritarian cynical cunts that know their positions are shit but are just pulling it because they hate the Left that much.
No.540558
>>540555Please don't sperg out on me when i say that "recognition certificate" sounds like bureaucratic regimentation of society, and that the form is more important than the content. Regimenting people with labels or titles is something that is done in order to consolidate class power, to create a hierarchy of compliance. I think this is progressive washing of old forms of domination: Making people jump through hoops to get certificates is a long standing tradition to train people to be obedient.
I'm a bit confounded because creating these formal social structures is usually done by social conservatism and traditionalists. Liberals used to be opposed to social formalizing.
No.540559
>>540558Since class power is basically null, LGBT among other struggles can only be fought legally, through the forms you mention. It's a shit situation for sure, but it has been the mechanism of progress in cultural issues including as they pertain to labor issues, inb4 somebody sperges out.
Idpol has been the mechanism with which disempowered people have gained wins, but the movement itself has been used against the working class at large, including the disempowered.
"Wokeness" is the general result of that transformation of power from the disenfranchised to a tool of class oppression. Wokeness is usually associated with better read people, white, higher educated, etc. It demands from you strict adherence to "woke" customs and to ostracize those that don't.
So circling back, this is that wokeness that is forcing law to account for these new "woke" customs and positions. The intillegencia is pushing these things. It's obviously good for marginalized people, but the movement themselves are what one would call "bourgeois".
Since these movements are not classed, support or no support makes no difference. A classed alternative is obviously better, eg any socialist org worth their salt.
No.540560
>>540558>Regimenting people with labels or titles is something that is done in order to consolidate class power, to create a hierarchy of compliance.Yeah, and TERFs will join the kulaks and landlords in the gulag along with other reactionary elements.
No.540561
>>540559>off topicwokeness is marketing for privatized education
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hskzsVK2DqMidpol is cancer that destroys radical movements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ucF2IeJTfEAre you willing to talk about how neoliberalism does more regimentation of society to consolidate class power of capitalism, and have a debate on the topic brought up in
>>540558>>540560>in-group vs out-group related to cultural norms that are derived from political battles of the 2 main bourgeois political factions 2 types of reactionaries and to quote Ẑiẑek "they're both worse"
No.540562
News: virulently sinophobic, anti-Russia hawk Katie Stallard has been made senior editor of The New Statesman from her base in DC.
No.540563
>>540558the difficulty is that we already have a formalized society. the best option would be to expunge sex and gender information from all documents (and ultimately, perhaps, to expunge all documents) but failing that being able to have documents corrected or ambiguated is the next best step.
No.540564
3am, time to lament that i was born in this northern hemisphere anglo shithole and not one of the southern hemisphere anglo sh– paradises.
No.540565
>>540563>IdealismFor socialism we need some kind of minimal ID system to make our cybernetic labor vouchers work, so we can't avoid it completely. But supporting a bureaucracy that prejudges people that is just criminally stupid. Do you recall those memes that rank people in a very cruel way according to Greek letters from Alpha to Sigma ? Try imagining that but emboldened by officialness. Or look into history with all the race classifications. It's not going to be any better with sex classifications. If this appeals to you, get into zoology and tag wild creatures, they don't mind, but humans are off limits.
No.540566
>>540565>It's not going to be any better with sex classificationsYou are describing present reality in the future conditional tense
No.540568
>>540566You want to make it worse than it already is, and move us away further from the desirable config. There is already to much in those IDs, adding more will make it worse, and you're trying to teach me grammar.
No.540569
>>540568>You want to make it worse than it already is, and move us away further from the desirable config.it is impressive to accuse me of idealism, then to want people to live a more difficult life in the name of hopefully, perhaps, possibly, at some point in the future, leaving documents exactly the same as they are now.
you have to abstract things to 'adding more info' because it's incredibly obvious what a silly fear you've got when you realize that all that's really being dealt with is a piece of bureaucracy to make the 'f' on your passport an 'm' or vice versa, and all that's really desired is to turn that bureaucratic nightmare from a panel hearing to a form signing.
i find it difficult to reconcile
>Making people jump through hoops to get certificates is a long standing tradition to train people to be obedient. with unease at tearing out some of the hoops and sending them to landfill.
No.540570
If the Left get control of Labour again, they need to purge pretty much everyone from the right of the party, the Blairites need to be fucking gone and humiliated. I would go even further than purges, completely release everything about the Forde report, how they talk about normal people, talk up Mandelson's fucking super-strong Epstein/Ghislaine connections and how Starmer is fine with that.
Honestly, the left should be protesting Labour HQ, like actually picketing it.
No.540572
>>540571Galloway's parents braved the blitz, but he never got a medal. Really makes you think.
No.540573
>>540571Angloids are mentally ill. Their commie party has TERFs in it.
No.540575
>>540571<1st tweet>Because we live in BritainNot an argument
>Because we have Children to take to schoolYou could always homeschool them temporarily
>business to attend toWhat are you, a fucking capitalist?
>work to doDepends on the work
>our parents faced the blitzI'm pretty sure our parents (Or grandparents in some cases) had faced some level of restrictions during the blitz, also, what is it with people who want to bring back the "Blitz spirit" or whatever the fuck, they were getting fucking bombed
<2nd tweet>my own trees are bent outsideHave you had a look at the Millennium dome you fucking food-bank robber, some of the roof got tore off it because of how powerful the wind was, you're lucky some debris didn't hit you and your wife and leave your children orphaned
No.540576
On another note, since when did Eggheads be broadcast on Channel 5?
No.540577
>>540571>Also, how is this "WE NEED TO WORK!" rhetoric any different from the standard conservative "protestant work ethic" shite?Simple anon, you see George Galloway is actually Le
lninhat…
No.540578
>>540577people always said he was Phil greaves, but interesting theory…
No.540579
I want to kill myself
No.540582
>>540579Quintessentially British.
No.540583
>>540571>>540577I've never once defended Galloway, behave.
Also I did have to go work yesterday, yeah.
No.540584
>>540583I had to go to work today and I'll be at work tomorrow and monday as well
I hope WW3 starts soon
No.540586
based Peter dropping the redpills on Azov Neo nazis
>PETER HITCHENS: Granny gets her gun - from a bunch of shameless neo-Nazis… not that the BBC would ever tell youhttps://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk No.540587
>>540586glad the based hitchens lived tbh
No.540589
DING DONG THE QUEEN IS DEAD
No.540590
>>540588Every path she took in life has led her to this.
Imagine the brain meltdown from Anglo covid denialists when their goddess croaks.
No.540591
>>540588The LaRouche movement did this
No.540592
>>540590lol her hag face was being used in 2020 to instruct people to STAY HOME.
If anything it's lockdown fanatics who preach cretinous servile worship of monarchy.
No.540593
>>540592More mental gymnastics from the plague doctor.
No.540594
>>540588Considering the absolute meltdown that happened after her undead ghoul husband finally croaked, I'm both scared and excited to see what how the anglos will react when she finally turns to dust
Inshallah
No.540595
>>540594I've been saying this for ages that it will break their tiny brains
No.540601
>>540600My nan's got covid can you come sprinkle her with some garlic and juniper
No.540602
>>540600Shouldn't you be letting blood to balance the humours mister?
No.540604
>>540603the monarchy will die with prince charles, he's not respected by the public.
No.540605
>>540604The Commonwealth will collapse without Lizzy. Barbados is already a republic.
Once Charlie is on the throne, a new era of shame and decline for Anglos begins.
No.540606
>>540605Oh for fucks sake WE HATE HER YOU MORON CUNT
I'm so sick of this childish, liberal nonsense. Do you think Stalin and Mao had such immature views on politics? Do you think it would make you look like anything other than an always online retard if you started saying this at an actual communist conference of international delegates? You're really no different from 4chan mongs, prescribing essentialist traits to people as a kind of adolescent competition between gangs.
No.540607
>>540604He's not respected by the public but he also hasn't been rammed down everyone's throats yet.
>>540606kek
No.540608
>>540606Quit the screwface anon. Let the autistic burger kids have their fun with le ebin Anglo shit posting word.
There's no reason it should bother you and they'll grow up on their own eventually.
No.540610
>>540608>and they'll grow up on their own eventually.tbf yanks are born as literal children and immature with age.
No.540611
If the Queen dies, was her final act bailing Prince Andrew out of his paedophile lawsuit?
No.540613
>>540600>”You know nothing, John Snow.”t. Leninhat probably.
No.540614
>>540597This man is a flip-flopping clown. Like in the grand scheme of things, it's his constant-
>Do this<But actually don't>But you better had<But you can choose not to>It'll benefit everybody<But we must respect your choice not to-that has royally pissed me off throughout this entire pandemic. Pick one or the other, you disingenuous dog turd.
No.540615
>>540612AlwaysHasBeen.jpg
No.540619
>>540618Sounds shit. The people will love it.
No.540621
>>540614The whole decision is sooooo fucking stupid and 90% sure that it's to cover partygate either to A: divert attention or B: make it so that it looks like he didn't break regulations because currently there are no regulations. You might think how the fuck does B work, it doesn't work retroactively, but remember; Tory Voters do not have functioning brains.
Also it makes no real fucking sense to scrap COVID isolation periods, masks sure I can see that eventually even if rn in the UK is not the time but isolation periods are normal and were so long before COVID, such as with Measles, Polio, cholera etc, all have a legal isolation period, so even if COVID is normalized then isolation periods would still exist under current UK medical law. AKA the whole 'living with COVID' line is such BS since if it were normalized and treated like a common serious disease IT WOULD STILL HAVE AN ISOLATION PERIOD. It's just incredibly obvious what the real intention is and reading the BBC try and read it at face value is surreal comedy
No.540624
>>540622this is basically what libs are doing right now in a lot of countries. packaging an expansion of the carceral state as progressive "reforms"
No.540626
>>540621I honestly thought Boris might go with how much fuss was made of partygate but it looks like he's going to survive after all, what a shitshow.
No.540627
>>540625lmao where did you find this
No.540629
>>540616>American once again showing himself to be absolutely ignorant to world affairsThe Queen mum is already dead you absolute fucking gormlet. cry more+1, cope, seeth, dilate etc etc etc etc etc.
>>540617Ii'd donate my blood to the kween tbh.
I may or may not have a BBV No.540631
>>540626Partygate is the ultimate sign to even liberals that the conservatives have no standards. I know it, you know it, but for some reason liberals like to think the Conservatives are NOT utter wastes of flesh. OK, look at partygate, look at half the backbenchers asking Boris to resign, look at his own party SEEMINGLY ready to throw him under the bus. Then contrast that to the estimated number of letters sent to the 1992 committee; which is estimated to be about 20-30 of the 50 they need(out of 300 members total). What that means is that on camera they'll acted outraged but when it comes down to brass tacks they won't force Boris out, especially with the letters being anonymous, if they get called on their bluff they can just say "I'm one of the 20 that sent a letter in" and you can't disprove it.
But of course nothing will come of it, Starmer will forget about this in a month along with all the other liberals and instead go after surface value stuff like I dunno not wearing a dark coloured tie in the face of the Queen's health.
God I fucking hate this country and its shallow politics, it makes American politics look fucking functional in comparison.
No.540632
>>540631Partygate is the ultimate sign the bosses of Johnson's allies in the press have grown weary of him and want him replaced but need something that isn't rampant financial corruption so that they can continue with it when he's gone.
No.540633
>>540632Meh, that will be gone in a week too. They got their clicks, their attention grabs. I'm really surprised Boris's allies are actually protecting him this much, since what they want is to stay in power; they don't owe Boris any loyality, he was their race horse, he won, now he's lame and he's due for the glue factory, they can easily get a more popular candidate but instead they're backing Boris. I'll never understand why power hungry cut-throats grow sentimental over their cronies randomely when 90% of the time they'll happily backstab each other if it means staying ahead.
No.540634
>>540633>Meh, that will be gone in a week too. This shit has been going on for months mate, it came out before NYE. Nobody cares about the plundering by contract and instead the most you get about corruption is whining about muh Russian donations because:
A) The Tories want their replacement to do it
B) The media bosses are in on it
C) Labour want their turn at the trough
> they can easily get a more popular candidate but instead they're backing Boris. I'll never understand why power hungry cut-throats grow sentimental over their croniesWell there's two aspects. First of all the higher ups on the parliament side of thing don't want to get rid of him or they may face demotion or worse irrelevance, and secondly the 1922 committee and backroom guys don't want to get rid of him just yet because there's more shit sandwich left with things like cost of living and inflation and they don't want the replacement to have to eat it.
No.540635
>>540634And what has the months of attention gotten Boris? A couple stern talking to's? Had to organize an investigation into himself and then promptly censor? This is the equivilent of the Trump Hollywood expose tape; everyone keeps saying it'll be the end but because nobody does anything it amounts to nothing. Inherent slactivism. Remember, Boris back in Fall 2019 was found to be in high contempt of the government and technically high treason unanimously by the Supreme Court for dismissing Parliament right before they voted down his Brexit bill. And what was the result? Nothing. He didn't even have to reconvene Parliament. The entire punishment system in the UK relies on precedent and "ought to"s, and it all falls apart when not everyone follows the rules like a proper chap, AKA every single living British politician is not a proper chap.
I still can't believe they try and paint the government as chaps, only Americans fall for that shit because they're enamoured by the upper class accents and think it means they're polite.
No.540636
>>540635Nothing happens because the UK is a meme country, it's a joke even for a liberal democracy. Everything is run by a group of elites so small yet dominant that there's not even much bourgeois infighting. These people doing the reporting on malfeasance are friends with the people they're reporting on and go to the same dinner parties, they have regularly worked together, they are all in the same Westminster clique.
Literally the only method of recall is a scheduled election every four years, and the only other way to get rid of them is if their polling drops low enough and it's politically convenient for their party to remove them, which is an internal party thing and not any actual accountability.
No.540637
>>540635>I still can't believe they try and paint the government as chaps, only Americans fall for that shit because they're enamoured by the upper class accents and think it means they're polite.Burger here. Nobody thinks brits are polite. Just, snobby, cowardly, and passive agressive. I'd still love to beat the brakes off some prim bong pussy. Make her say "
daddy" with perfect elocution.
No.540638
>>540631tbh i respect it. the proof there's no standards is in the mountain of corpses, the proof we're an insane nation is that a man being a hypocrite is considered worse than his command responsibility for that mountain.
the thing about the ones sending in letters is that, in their own way, they were mostly fucking idiots. they looked at bad polling and got spooked and so started to break with party unity, even though a united party can do whatever it wants - but a bunch of the complainers were new MPs who thought they might lose their new job. they didn't mind the deaths because it was no problem for them, but they were afraid they'd lose their nice job, so they panicked and in the process actually made it more likely they will lose their job by prolonging the bad polling and providing fodder to keep the story going. a complete lack of principle or humanity i can understand, but i draw the line at their stupidity in achieving that goal.
it's precisely
>>540632 although i'd throw in that nobody wants the blood on their hands for being asked why they didn't do the simple task of looking at what the per-capita death rate here versus in NZ is, and every day demand to know why we'd bungled it rather than just imagining we must be doing a good job because we're Britain after all. so the press couldn't use the failed response to get him (if anything they'd rather fuck up the response more by demanding everyone gets back to the office and coughs on one another), but hypocrisy is fine. that's a personal folly with no risk of causing major structural change.
the lodestone of my madness is, of course, an underlying desire to see Johnson beat Starmer as badly as he beat Corbyn. If he can't pull that off, let second best be Liz Truss doing it, after denying that there's any reason the Conservatives can't take Wellington Central>>540635tbh i respect his energy in hindsight. with little to salvage here, pissing over national institutions is funny and telling a bunch of your own MPs to fuck off as a minority government is an outright chad move.
although there's certainly a bitterness that the press, who now decry his unfitness for office, were so glad to help put him in office despite his actions because the alternative was one of the few people in British politics who shouldn't be deported to Pitcairn island.
No.540639
>>540638There's no reason to respect him more just because he's open about being an asshole, and a cut-throat above the rest. I hate this trend of the past 5 years or so of leftists prefering open kleptocrats, fascists etc over socdems or liberals, not because I think the latter are better but because being honest over your shitty character is not a redeeming quality, especially when somehow they poll better as a result along the lines of "All politicians are lying assholes, so I prefer this truthful asshole". I'm fairly sure that's how we ended up with Boris in the first place, since he somehow won more seats than May during the snap election and there's not a single person I can find that voted for him because they thought he was better, it was due to that he was a clown and was more honest.
I actually am starting to miss when they pretended to give a damn cause I deluded myself into thinking that if they were ever bareface about their true intentions nobody would vote for them again, and now I'm horribly aware of not only is that the case but that's now an appealing aspect, proving to me just how fucking out of touch the general population is that they applaud being up front about how they are going to further ruin the already toppled system. It's not even accelerationism if there's isn't a bottom line to trigger the mass reaction, so to me it's utterly useless and did I mention it makes me miss liberals? I hate liberals, so I hate this new standard if only for making me miss the libs and driving me so far fucking down the line.
>>540637>Burger here. Nobody thinks brits are politeUtter lie, you americans consume more british culture than the british, every monarch event is watched by more Americans than everyone else combined, you have an utter fascination with the monarchy because in a way you aspire for it either because of the opulence and the weird thought process of that you're all temporarily impoverished bourg, or because you want an absolute monarchy out of your broken excuse of a democracy and secretly hope for some form of dictatorship or god-led JESUSSSSSSSSSSSS manifest destiny-esque right-to-lead-given-straight-from-god centralized authoritarian figure.
No.540640
>>540639>Utter lie, you americans consume more british culture than the britishNot really. Brit shows hitting here has been a last decade kind of thing and only a handful.
>you have an utter fascination with the monarchy because in a way you aspire for it either because of the opulence and the weird thought process of that you're all temporarily impoverished bourg, or because you want an absolute monarchy out of your broken excuse of a democracy and secretly hope for some form of dictatorship or god-led JESUSSSSSSSSSSSS manifest destiny-esque right-to-lead-given-straight-from-god centralized authoritarian figure.Lol. How deep you're going with this. It's only women who give one flying fuck about that and the reason is getting pampered and worshiped for doing nothing is the ultimate female fantasy.
No.540641
>>540638Yea, everyone is viciously blaming Boris because they know deep down they were the ones who put him on top to beat Corbyn in the first place. Everyone will blame anyone but themselves.
No.540642
>>540639You've got to look at it from a different angle even if it gets the same result: Johnson beating Corbyn was a tragedy, Johnson beating Starmer is a comedy. Johnson's most appealing character trait is not ruthlessness, but idiocy. Not the idiocy of the contrived Boris persona, but the idiocy of being there just to sit in the big chair. The appeal of "telling it like it is" is embarrassing, the appeal of "an honest crook" the same - the honesty enables the crookery, "i disavow it, but nevertheless i do it" and all that, but there is the appeal of watching liberals sputtering impotently as they realize they've as little control over the monster they've created as we do, the appeal of watching them reminded every day that they do not live in the (fake) Britain of the 2012 Olympic opening ceremony, but the very real Britain, the birthplace of capitalism and, one suspects, of human misery itself. Their encounter with such horrors should be enjoyed rather than cried at. Liberals didn't cry when Corbyn was monstered, they were perfectly happy to play along with a press smear campaign against him, to encourage it and drive it forward - why cry when the monster-machine turns on them too? (This, an attitude which should be suppressed when confronted with fascism can be indulged when confronted with simple kleptocracy - what's the worst that happens, we turn into Japan with damper countryside? Hell, if we could have their corruption at least we'd have some infrastructure…)
You might be tempted to miss liberals, and anyone confronted with Charles Kennedy's corpse might find that a tempting road to go down, but never forget that today's "liberals" (now including Labour) will say awful things that the Tories still try to triangulate away from - it's not Johnson saying, unprompted, that we should shoot to kill. It's not Johnson doing telegraph articles about how he regrets his party supporting gay rights in the 1980s and stands with JK Rowling as a fellow TERF nowadays. That's Blair and people with brainworms derived from Blair. Blair, the man who did more than any other to hole this shithole beneath the waterline. In the absence of building a better world, we can at least laugh at those who destroyed the old one repeatedly having their dicks slammed in a car door. If you want to know why Britain needs to have a kleptocratic party-clown as a premier, it's as penance for Blair. The political and media class had a choice - disavow Blair or take the cunt, and they took the cunt. Well, just as false advertising laws don't apply to politics, neither does the right to return a defective item to the seller.
If this kind of schadenfreude and bitterness strikes you as profoundly unappealing, my sincere advice is the Jim Callaghan option:
Sometimes when I go to bed at night, I think that if I were a young man I would emigrate. But when I wake up in the morning, I remember that I'm not the aged Jim Callaghan so I should probably pick a place to go. No.540643
>>540639No you're a complete MORON, it is good to have trump figures because it gets normal people talking about politics
>>540642It's slightly comedic how pathetic Corbyn was though
No.540644
>>540637I love how this post is supposed to cut to the hard truth when you seem to think that like 5% of british people constitutes the whole population. Do you realise how rare people who sound like that are?
No.540645
>>540644Well we were talking about American opinions of Posh Brits with fancy accents.
>>540635>I still can't believe they try and paint the government as chaps, only Americans fall for that shit because they're enamoured by the upper class accents and think it means they're polite. No.540646
>>540645That's not what you said though is it, you fucking fat faggot
No.540647
>>540643Johnson is only superficially Trump like. Where Trump was actually largely outside the US political class, Johnson has been an insider for longer than 70% of this thread has been alive.
I don't find much amusing in Corbyn being 'pathetic' tbh. Not so much out of sympathy for him as because of comedic structure. He just doesn't give you much to work with. Where he falls short, it meets expectations rather than matching them, which is only really funny as anti-humour. (Itself requiring you to expect that there'll be humour, but you're looking for a third degree of humour in the Labour party at that stage, which is surely grounds for being sectioned.) And he lacks the unsympathetic personality traits that would make just watching him step on a rake over and over comedy gold.
Most of the funny consequences of his weak position arise from other people clowning around it, such as the time the party sued itself to try and stop him being on the ballot in 2016 and lost.
At gunpoint, I suppose the funniest you could do would be to structure the story as though it's going to be one of those optimistic underdog things, an Obama-versus-Clinton situation, spending 85% of the story playing up hope only to then obliterate it at the end with the "realistic" outcome of the forces of all that's wrong with the world winning and building their corpse mountain. All very
Stanley's Cup, and feeling just as dated. (And I'd want final cut so I could expunge the FPBE dickheads. If I can't do that, pull the trigger now.)
No.540648
>>540647You said it was tragedy that Corbyn lost, but I find it hard to feel much sympathy for someone who sells out his friends for no political gain. Maybe you could say it's tragic for us, but we all know that Corbyn wouldn't have been able to get anything done if he did take power. Stop feeling personally sorry for the old todger
No.540649
>>540648can't think of anyone who was "really" sold out, and even if he did [essay about how we like unsympathetic characters when they're up against even less sympathetic ones, up to a certain line, which Blair and other wankers cross, at which point the conventions of narrative break down and you just want everyone involved to be waterboarded has redacted, but this note added to continue the theme of writing about the conventions of fiction, because british electoral politics is fiction with bad writers.]
No.540650
>>540649I guess you've memory holed the entire antisemitism scandal. Oh well, enjoy living in your little fantasy.
No.540651
>>540650less memory holing, more only really remembering ken livingstone and not particularly blaming Corbyn for not sacrificing himself to defend a consummate professional politician who'd already given up elected office from their own bad interview.
(okay, i vaguely remember some other bullshit about who got to sit in LOTO or whatever, but frankly i don't care. no fun stories there.)
No.540652
>>540651Well, it was far more than him, although one case alone of stabbing an ally in the back to please unpleasable ghouls would be enough.
No.540653
Alright, FINALLY. Time to start a new one please.
No.540654
>>540637>Make her say "daddy" with perfect elocution.<Not wanting her to say it in a Brummie accentCoward
No.540655
>>540640>Headline on the left<Nab gas legs and fingers amputated after eating lefrover noodles and suffering organ failureHow in the name of fuck does that happen, how long were those noodles left out for?
No.540657
>>540637>burger here<*dumps schizo misogynistic ramblings*pottery
No.540658
>>540642It's only comedic if there's a punchline, but as it stands Boris is proving that the punchline only works if people fall for it, but either he's underestimated exactly how far gone the populace is or he is the best judge of character in the world. Actually I think it might just be that he's a good con artist, he did start his career by writing completely false EU tabloid articles for the Telegraph and started the whole "The EU regulates your cereal" trend. But either way it all relies on there coming a point where it slams home, there's a payoff and everyone realizes that moment. But as it stands that's just not how it's working, it's just going further and further and further and I don't think it's ever gonna stop. You could get to literaly dystopia levels(implying it's not already, why do you think stuff like 1984 and V for Vandetta are set here?) and people would still nod their heads or be just generally upset at the way things are.
And funnily I don't think that's Boris's fault, it's the population and the overarching culture that's been developed since I think about WW2. See in most politics it always comes down to one issue for 90% of voters. In the US it's taxes, NI it's unionist/seperatist sentiments etc. But the England is unique in that they vote for the status quo. That sounds normal though right, modern neo-liberalism is basically that improving things is radicalism? But the English as a whole take it to a new level, it's an almost religious obsession with the status quo. It cannot be changed, it is entrenched, the leaders know what they're doing, have to preserve the history etc. It's kind of an analogue to the US's obsession with that every word their founding fathers spoke was straight from the mouth of god and should never be changed, but if it had matured for another 500 or so years. I can actually probably name exactly what caused it and who; Churchill and the keep calm and carry on campaign. At that time it imbedded that the populace should just carry on and trust that everything is going to be alright, and Churchill is the personification of that mentality. If Churchill was such a good leader why did he lose the general election immediately after the war ended? Shush don't talk about that he won the war or something.
But at every level I see this obsession with the status quo. What was Brexit about? It was about keeping english traditions, the british empire, anti-continent sentiments and a pervasive sense that the EU is going to change things like how fish and chips are wrapped. What has COVID been about in English politics? Saving people? The economy? The duty of care owed by the politicians? No, it was about how will this inconvenience you when you try to go to the pub. Generally speaking most populations today don't want things to change, they want the small comforts they're afforded and to keep it, it's basically the definition of lumpen. But with the English it's zealous how they will throw themselves on a fire to preserve weirdly minute cultural details and small comforts they've been afforded. And the definition of status quo in England is weird too, as it cannot be changed… unless it's by a Tory, then that becomes the new status quo and THAT must be protected. It's hypocritical and again, almost every country does the same thing to a lesser degree, but here it's been honed to a fucking art. It might just be because the UK is ahead of the curve in terms of its decline and now has weapons-grade nostalgia that has been utilized for politics. I dunno, an American saying they want the good old days back or rebuild america or whatever doesn't have the same… energy in it as an Englishman that thinks preserving minute cultural traditions will bring back the British Empire. And all that's just to have some mental gymnastics to justify Boris as a conservative, AKA he's a CONSERVEative, he will CONSERVE the status quo and he will change it for the worse, which is good since the status quo is the opposite of progress, so regression is good and still in line with the status quo. Which is why there will never be a gotcha moment with Boris.
No.540660
>>540595I'm going to cry into my novelty queen mug. Honestly I think that american WASPs will care more than anyone I've ever met in the UK
No.540661
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