Is pic related true? How would you respond to this? If the ones in the bottom panel deserved it, then why didn't the ones in the top panel deserve it?(pls can mods leave this thread because it's funny)
>If the ones in the bottom panel deserved it, then why didn't the ones in the top panel deserve it?
Because the ones in the bottom panel were criminals in prison. The proportion of political prisoners in the gulag system never surpassed around 1/3 of the inmate population, and for most of the USSR's history it was around 1-5%. The vast majority of gulag prisoners were ordinary criminals like thieves, rapists and murderers, and the majority of sentences handed out were five years or less. This isn't even remotely comparable to a system wherein human beings are movable property. Slavery was for life, and the life of an enslaved person existed entirely at the mercy of their owner, who could decide to murder them on a whim if they wanted. This wasn't even that uncommon, Frederick Douglass describes several instances of it happening in his books. Not only this, but slavery was a status that was inherited from one's parents, and passed along to their children. So on the one hand, we have convicted criminals sentenced to few years hard labour. On the other hand, we have people treated as property from birth to death, with no rights whatsoever, who were literally counted as livestock. Do you not see how these situations are wildly different?
>>558282That the USSR existed for even a week is evidence enough of change.
>>558286lel
>>558285>the 20 millions slavs killed by jews, disagree from youHi /pol/. First, you should probably know that Jews were always a minority in the CPSU, both in the rank and file and in its leading bodies. In the first several politburos, Trotsky was the only Jew, and after he was expelled there were none
While they were overrepresented in the early days of the Soviet government, so were most minorities. At the time of the October Revolution, other minorities such as Poles and Balts were actually more overrepresented than Jews were. Second the 20 million figure is literally made up. Even during the height of Soviet repression in 1936-38, there were less than a million death sentences issued, not all of which were even carried out.
>>558280>hundreds of years of race based slavery for tens of millions of people>working their entire short miserable lives without any sort of choice to make some rich asshole some bucksvs
>criminals that got jail sentences they had to work off and then were allowed to go back into society fromlook, there is a lot of things one can legitimately criticize the USSR for, but this comparison is just dumb
>>558280oh yes, it is very true.
those in the bottom panel deserved it because they are our enemies
>>558280Every society, for it to be minimally sustainable, myst thoroughly repress (if not able to eliminate entirely) its enemies and antagonistic detractors.
Considering you are linking such a mind numbingly dumb comparison between prison labour and generalized slavery, I think we can safely assume that any socialism if it is worthy of its name will indeed brutally repress you and your family & friends.
>>558288There were never millions. Black book of communism is a total lie, to the point that two co authors resigned to not be implicated in that bullshit and even with that, to reach the number of 100 mil, they had to add dead nazis and unborn chinese children (demographic losses basically).
And even with all that a single genocide of native americans tops that ridiculous number already.
>>558308The official estimates are around 100-110 millions.
>That's seems like a rather high estimate.Wait till you see death toll of british colonial rule in India.
>>558310Human society existed without class for most of its (pre)history.
>>558311>Lenin, Rosa Luxemburgo even Karl Marxs himselfLenin was non Jewish. He had one Jewish grandparent, which means that he would not even qualify as Jewish in Nazi Germany. Marx wasn't Jewish either, his family converted to Christianity before he was born and he was raised as a Lutheran. Moreover the statistics clearly show that Jews were firmly in the minority in both the general party membership and in the leadership. Again, Trotsky was the only Jew to serve in the politburo, and look what happened to him.
>>558315So a famine happened during a Civil War, and you consider this to be the same as deliberately murdering people? Idk if you're aware, but famine is a problem that often happens in countries torn apart by armed conflict.
>>558313Nah just several centuries of persecutions and genocide.
>>558315> at least facist don't try to unbalme themselves for millions of deathsYeah, holocaust denial by fashoid ain't a thing.
If the blame is a complete lie like that black book, i don't see why i shouldn't unblame myself.
Famine after first world war, two revolutions, civil war, several neighbor states attacks and foreign intervention by 14 countries. Wow, that sure means communism is bad. Unless of course we remember than Russia lies in risk agriculture zone and tsarist Russia had a big hunger every 6-7 years, and 40% of army recruits ate meat for the first time in the army.
>>558319>the biggest genocide ever seenThat would be USA. Or British depending on the defintion of genocide.
>Ironically, Nazism killed more white people than anyone else in history.Again, USA.
It's no wonder that Hitler wanted to imitate USA and the only significant difference between Lebensraum and Manifest Destiny is that the former failed.
>>558318>He had one Jewish grandparentThat's not proven, btw. The main "proof" is that he had a surname Blank and could be jewish. But he could also be german.
Not that i care.
>>558330>they deny the holocaust but constantly talk about how it should ha happened Yeah, you are hypocrites, we know that.
>meanwhile you fags try to pretend to be a good people while killing way more people than Hitler could even dream off.For which there is not a single proof exists.
>>558340>that's not being a hypocrite, you idiot. That's like a definition of it.
>rich jewish elite/pol/yps never change.
Funny how you refuse to engainge in an actual dicussion based on fact and only throw arounf insults.
>>558326Lmao, you people are like NPCs
"NOOO!!! IT DIDNT HAPPEN ITS ISARELI LIES!!! But they deserved the russian saboteur lel"
Find another way to conceal your shitty takes, you limp wristed faggot
>>558345>randomyou haven't even read it
>>558345i know they are different revolutions, i only used that on as an example.
>>558343i'm not a capitalist, strawmaning faggot, also i know you pulled this number by blamming all satavation and disease deaths on capitalism, seriously what had you all commie asses even done to stop either of those? why capitalists get the blame for something that don't even concer them?
>>558315the USSR wasn't even established until 1922 in the middle of that shit, and they were still in the midst of war and working with the resources of tsarist russia. The developing soviet state was under invasion from capitalist powers, environmental problems, sabotage from kulaks and counter-revolutionaries, lost territory from treaties to get them out of the war, and had not been able to collectivize or industrialize yet. Soviet policy migitated these kinds of famines, and the numbers from these famines are highly exaggerated from fascists to smear the soviet union.
Meanwhile, people completely ignore things like capitalist famines, or engineered starvation across the world by corporations and bankers in the U.S., or the types of shit that happened in colonial occupations. India, China, etc…
>>558350>seriously what had you all commie asses even done to stop either of those?Invented the smallpox vaccine. Any country that implemented socialism had increased it's food security actually. Along with literacy rate, lower infant mortality, healthcare availability etc etc etc.
You are fashoid, means you suck porky dick
>>558360>famine happens on Africaoh yeah that is to blame all capitalist nations even tho most don't suffer famines and try to sen Aid to these african countries.
>communism happens in the country with biggest agricultural land in the planet, people starve due to goverment miss management or maybe even revenge for the pogromsyeah, false equivalances.
>>558358But how far back do you draw the line faggot. Say im a Balkaner and one of my ancestors in the far past was Turkish, does that now make me 1/nth Turk despite not knowing Turkish or living in Turkey?
You people like to think that you know more than the average goyim, but in the end you still think like a frustrated 12 year old boy while everybody else rightfully mocks your sad ass
Neck yourself, by all means
>>558356lmaoooo we know smelly
the "holodomor" there was largely the product of kulak sabotage and natural conditions. The soviets helped lessen the impact of the famine as it transitioned industrially. historically illiterate mf's really be ignoring the reality of famines all throughout pre-industrial societies, and ones moving out of that which are under constant sanction and attack
>>558357Cuba's efforts for a worldwide better health even in the face of the embargo should be noted. From America to Africa, Cuban doctors and meds are welcomed everywhere.
>>558363Sucks even more porkies cock
Once again, fascists just are the rabid dog of capitalism
>>558363Well when capitalist nations made colonies of this country and even to this days force them to grow cash crops on export instead of food to be consumed by locals and support this system with violence, yeah it's the fault of capitalism. need i remind of Nestle still using child slave labout on their cacao plantations? Ot how what they do with water sources there? I probably do since you are an uneducated buffoon.
>communism happens in the country with biggest agricultural land in the planetIn a country that has been historically starving because IT'S A RISK AGRICULTURE ZONE, as i have said already. Russian Empre had hungers like that or worse every 6-7 years.
>>558363>oh yeah that is to blame all capitalist nationsWe blame capitalism as a system because it systematically underdevelops the world outside the imperial core to keep it dependent and weak. It deliberately makes them more vulnerable to famine and prevents them from making themselves food self sufficient. Historically speaking socialist countries have been quite effective at overcoming this problem, e.g. Burkina Faso.
>try to sen Aid to these african countriesThe wealth to permanently end food insecurity exists many times over, and yet it persists. This "aid" is always either a token gesture or a means to cultivate dependence.
>>558368>Shit tons of countries industrialize without having faminesNot while existing under the level of diplomatic and economic isolation that the USSR experienced. Not at anything approaching that speed. Even the West industrialized by bathing itself in the blood of both colonized people and their own proletarianized and displaced peasantry.
>>558382>First i don't support capitalismYes you do.
>Inb4 Third position, Germans economicsStill capitalism.
>>558397Lmao
At least you admit youre a shithead and your ideas are easily debunkable
>>558395>USA was the biggest helper of URSSThen what happened?
>USA even tried tto give foreing aid to USSR to avoid the starvations but lenin refuse itYeah and it was offered on the condition that the Americans be granted unrestricted access to Soviet agricultural areas and free reign of their road and railroad networks. All of this while American soldiers were actively aiding the White army. Lenin would have to be an idiot to accept such a thinly veiled attempt at infiltration.
>>558402nothing will impress you lol
you're not here to have any discourse, and we shouldn't be expecting that from you. you're just here to peddle reactionary brainworms and you're failing pretty miserably
>>558406They still won
Seethe about it
>>558387It's a proxy war between the West and the non liberal world. /pol/tards are splitting between Pro US chauvinsits and Anti Us chauvinists.
>>558399Now you understand the meaning of /leftypol/'s tradition
>>558407infographs posted so far = 0
you reduced to trhowing insults and then pretending to be smarter than you really are, because the truth is that you are mid wit which is worst than being dumb as you think you know everything even tho there are forces in this world much more powerful than you could even imagine that had subverted and destroyed your movment every single time.
>>558417Wait, so now you admit to having 70 iq, right?
Lmao /pol/ on suicide watch
>>558288>the URSS killed millions even before hitler came to powerwhere's the proofs
stalin's purges were retarded but there's no real proof for more than a few hundred thousand victims (not even all of them died)
>>558422bruuuuuh ikr
"poor ppl in africa are le 70 iq"
"I am poor person in third world person, but I am big brain"
>>558430the only comic i posted is the tf2 heavy talking about being baited, learn how to read, retard…
>>558433i'm way smarter than some western looser like you.
>>558434>Learn how to read retardFollow your advice and open a book for once you moron lmao
Dont just take your info from unsourced infographs you gullible idiot
>>558443>because you all will end up benefiting the same god damn elites that sucked my country dry from it's resources.What makes you think that? Look at other third world countries that turned to socialism. Are they still run by the same elites? Do the plantation owners and American gangsters still run Cuba?
>because guess what you don't even bother trying to make a list of the elites currently doing thatTell that to all the porkies the Cuban revolutionaries had shot.
>>558445these elites come from ancient finacial blodlines, they will suck dry any system you make because they actually know how to cooperate with each other, these are highly inbreed families of close together high autism score psychopatths who want to make a slave state out of this world, and your ignorance is their biggest weapon
>>558438>MUH NAZISjust because i don't want to be starved to death by a religious extremist cult don't mean i'm a nazi, your pieces of shit would call me a nazi and kill me anyway for disagreeing with you all so i don't even see how you are not worst than them.
>>558463>>558462>>558461>>558460"i'm making fun of you, look how smart i am"
this what women and low tosterone men tend to do when they literall having nothing to argue about, they will just laugh and they pretend they are some sort of intellectual victors, feminine display of you lack of intelectual fortitute, honestly a bunch of morons.
>>558451lmaooo i'm apparently a rich spoiled white kid now
unlike you, I'll actually disclose my history instead of just claiming "I'm a third worlder". Mother's side came from former "servants" that escaped a hacienda in Michoacan, father's side came from a family of house slaves that worked a plantation in Alabama. Yeah, I'm the worst kind of mixed, beaner and negrito. The majority of my family history has been cooking for rich white assholes or picking crops for them. They ended up getting groomed by those same people even after they escaped servitude. My mother was homeless in "the corns" when she was my age, the same projects where Huey newton died. Grew up in the 209, watched homies OD, had friends get shot, and you know what
I didn't become a fascist because of it. I did the opposite. I saw that capitalism created all this hell, and I'm sick of that shit
>>558468my apologies, but honestly how does it fell to be strawmaned by something you are not?
>>558470you are not, you are a women or some very low t man, i'm way smarter than you, and you just laugh to make up of your lack of any intelect.
>>558472This is the hardest you can own us? Lmao
You're weak.
>>558480"i'm making fun of you, i am smart believe me"
you are not smart, you are midwit.
>>558475it doesn't do anything to me lol
it's funny, thanks for the entertainment
I don't want sympathy from you, I don't care about you, because you're a gross reactionary, we are nothing alike lol
the very thing you posted below elucidates that
>>558472OH FUCK AGENT KOCHIN-CHIN
THE CIA's FINEST
>>558484"you are acshually making fun of yourself, believe me i'm so much smarter than you i don't even to try, look at all my friends who are just mart as me trying tyo make fun of you"
sorry, but this doesen't work unlike you i don't have a consesus filter and i don't care if the majority of users in a website i don't care about disagres with me.
>>558491"nooo i'm so smart believe me people"
lol, i'm actually ended up comming here because i wanted to challenge my world view but i saw nothing but ignorance.
>>558488"post source"
>>it's a lie made by porkyJFL at you people, you are all trully like women, always have to be right and when you can't be right you start laughing like you are some High autism score god above everyone.
>>558497if everyone here's a woman, women are ballin man
woman gang
we female in this bitch
>>558280>Is pic related true?No
>How would you respond to this?Ignore them
>>558522You'll die a bitter, useless virgin
Might as well sooner than later, nazi
>>558523"you can't make my pussy squirt"
this is how women operate, for them the validity of words are based on how much something excites their vaginas, as for a women the world is pretty much only the things that are at their immediate range.
>>558528only ballin' anti-capitalists are allowed to join the circle jerkle bukakke fest
stay mad that you can't make me wet
>>558532as usual limits herself to sexual resources when it fits her
>>558530i only replied to a post that summed up as
"muh everyone we ever killed was a nazi"
>>558539>>558541>>558542oml he's still on this
bro talking about how smart he is and then gets trounced by vegana
>>558543"you don't want my pussy, you are gay"
another womenly argument.
>>558513From YWBAW to "woman confirmed"
What do polyps mean by this?
>>558549it's called trolling, something you people will never understand because women are incapable of humour.
>>558551the only joke i saw so far..
>>558552"you are ugly" i don't care
>>558553seconding this
this has been truly special
comrades, I love you all. we infight a lot, but when confronted with the common blight of fascist weirdos, we can unite and have one hell of a time. this has been one of the funniest fucking threads I've ever participated in
mods, please, please archive this.
>>558540lmfaooo
source, pls
>>558561Dude you're throwing insults tantamounting to u r wimp, u r pussy like a third grader. If we're being generous, then your behavior would be a joke, like Peter Coffin punching his own dick is supposed to be a joke.
But that's a very sad conception of humor.
>>558569seeth
>>558568is this place so uneventful?
i guess most people too their live already
i guess it's time for me to go.
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