>>1000154>man, this really is the most fucked up timeline, people crowdfunding dronesCould be a glowie op, or a PR stunt from the arms industry, don't automatically assume these things happen organically. That's no longer a valid default.
>>558584>Dugin becomes presidentWhat if Communism returns to Russia ?
>>558586>Someone should put Yemen on the pride flag and watch it get rejected by these stunning and brave liberalsPlease don't, it's better to stay away from liberalism, you might get burned. Maybe make a separate anti imperialist flag, and use the opportunity to improve the design while your at it.
The liberalism flag looks like the triangles are attacking the stripes to push them out of the flag.
>>558598why would they need it when they have nukes in range
the whole point of all those military bases is both nuke launch platform and projection potential, not having a bunch of grunts standing there 24/7
>>558598Can they get the fuck out of my country then
We didn't even hold a referendum to join NATO, they just sat their ass here without asking lmao
>>558601There are no nukes east of west germany
>they can be moved therethat makes every country with close ties to the uSA a legitimate threat
>>558598>be NATO>be formed against "soviet aggression" in 1949 even though the USSR lost 24 million people and 2/3 of its industrial capacity in WW2, and wouldn't have nukes until months after NATO formed> refuse to let the USSR join in 1954 because they're "aggresive"> allow west germany to join in 1955 even though they just did the holocaust ten years earlier>soviet aggression against who?>nazis of course> immediately integrate "former" nazis into your command structure> help funnel marshall plan $$$ to help rebuild west germany>ignore west german nazi attempts at rearmament like the schezz truppe.>integrate schnezz truppe conspirators into NATO> only 6/30 NATO nations join based on "democratic" referendums> the rest join blatantly based on bourgeois consensus without even nominally consulting the will of the people>USSR collapses in 1989>shock therapy and mass privatization under yeltsin>still not capitalist enough to join NATO>NATO still exists to contain "soviet aggression" despite soviets being gone>hmmm>continues to expand after collapse of the USSR and the mass privatization of the russian economy>begins to absorb former USSR countries>begins to absorb the baltic states>11 nations join since 1990, all of them either former East Germany or East of Germany> all of these nations buy US equipment, get training from US military, allow US lily pad bases to be built, and do "interoperability" exercises with USA> CIA arms and trains reactionaries in these countries through the NED front group> destroy and balkanize yugoslavia> destroy Libya and all of its social safety nets in the name of getting gaddafi> inching closer and closer to Russian border> pincer movement on Russian border with Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechia, Poland, Hungary, etc.> Ukraine joining NATO would mean nuclear strike on moscow in less than an hour> putin finally says no to this bullshit and begins fighting the Galcian nazis ethnically cleansing Donbass> this is imperialism and NATO is totally justifiedlmao
>>558619Kraken battalion was released prisoners and formed months ago
Zelensky banned all parties left of svoboda in like the opening weeks of the war my dude
there were lynchings of "saboteurs" in the streets my dude
>>558631Ukrops openly torture prisoners like the nazis they are, why wouldn't you be scared?
DPR should do the same to angloid mercs tbh.
>>558652tbf he just hated the guys occupying his country
what did he say about that was more specific the soviets?
>>558648I don't think being the most prosperous republics of the USSR was a very great thing
While the soviet did a lot for equality I think it had a lot of other fuck ups, as in the central government wasn't really doing all it could for the people nor really being accountable towards the end
>>558671do you also consider the fact the Ukrainian government shelled Donbas for 8 years and hired nazi paramilitary groups like Azov to do that for them?
calling the Ukrainian government nazis after that fact is more than justified
>>558681>shelled donbass for eight years as I get it they shelled sections of the front, a pretty lowkey war
>they made azov do that for themand Russia has islamists and Wagner fighting for them, doesn't make them islamist or nazi
>>558680>i know this is bait, but you can argue that this board may be a little too pro-russia uncritically, How so? You liberal idealist fags take memes to seriously. If we post epic pro-Putin memes or occasionally say something good about him(or really just saying he's better than most leaders of world super powers in the world today) doesn't mean we're heckin Putin fans. We're leftists so we know all capitalists are shit, we can still root for them when they do something useful to our cause.
Under every metric rooting for Russia is the right decision.
>Russian success better for multipolarity than NATO successundeniable
>Russian quick victory better for overall casualties and also specifically for Ukrainian casualties than dragging out the war to the last Ukrainianundeniable
>Better outcome of an annexed or independant LDPR then them staying under NATO Nazi Ukraineundeniable
No actual argument you can make for supporting NATOid Ukraine then:
>they'll weaken ebil mongol Russia that wants to destroy europe and liberal hwite postmodern values! >>558684The front was literally right up against urban areas, it was the siege of Sarajevo but without the complete encirclement. Watch some of Russell Bentley's videos where he goes to the front or discusses the war.
We were getting our news of the prelude to the invasion from him filming himself in someone's backyard with heavy fire in the distance.
>>558684>lowkey war>at least 3,500 civilians dead by Western estimates, likely much higher as the UN refused to investigate literally thousands of war crime cases put forward by Russia and DPR>thousands of refugees, thousands living in basements from one shelling to another>cities decimatedLiberals are psychopaths lol
>islamistsKadyrovites aren't islamists, they're just muslim, the ACTUAL anti-Kadyrov chechen islamists are fighting on the side of UKRAINE
>WagnerWagner isn't nazi
>>558685>We're leftists so we know all capitalists are shit, we can still root for them when they do something useful to our cause.which is why i said "a little", i think people complain way too much about this, but i was giving the benefit of the doubt for the baiter and saying that maybe they could argue that (though i don't agree), but they can't argue that ukraine is winning.
>>1000711>Ukraine win the war right now because Russian military is backwards.i mean, i do think people overestimate the russian military, but damn it's vastly better organized, trained, and equipped than the ukrainian one, i'm pretty sure this is indisputable
>>558687actually link me some journalist who are not heavily ideologically aligned with donbass
gotta be plenty
>>558689>>gay camps>acthually they are not islamists
>achtually naming yourself after a wagner as a russian company is completelly normal! ok
>>558694There were plenty of liberals who covered shit the USA did but for some reason they can't go do donbass and repeat what you're claiming
>>558695>The name Wagner is reported to have been the nom de guerre of one of the group’s early commanders in the fighting in eastern Ukraine, Dmitry Utkin, a former lieutenant colonel in the Russian military intelligence service, the GRU. Utkin is alleged to have been enamored with Nazi Germany, including Adolf Hitler’s favorite composer, Richard Wagner. In 2016, Utkin was pictured at a ceremony in the Kremlin intended to honor the courage of military personnel and civilians, but he hasn’t been seen in public since. same source
>>558698That money will just get lost, just like in Afghanistan.
>>558700Russia is currently using 10% of its standing forces, buddy.
>>558698> The West is just tossing money into a pit at this point.You are retded and misunderstand why they are waging this war.
Nobody is literally just _giving_ weapons away with no expectations.
>>558702>That money will just get lost, just like in Afghanistan.Of course.
>>558703Why don't you say what you mean heroin junkie retard.
>>558698presumably the right people are making money
I would doubt that the atlanticist bourgeois would bleed russia out, out of the kindness of their hearts without lining their own pockets somehow
>>558628Pretty good write up
>>558613NATO bros I thought we were saving them….
>>558737>RF arsenal is depleting and without being able to be replenished quicklyRussia isn't using sophisticated rockets and cruse missiles just to take out a few artillery pieces, they're using attack helicopters and fighter-bombers, that use unguided heli-pod missiles and dumb-bombs respectively. That's very cheap ammunition, with large existing stock-piles. NATO will run out of sacrificial equipment before any arsenals get meaningfully depleted. This really is just a racket for weapons supply contracts that line the pockets of arms dealers.
>>558738>I mean logically, the combined productive forces of NATO should be able to produce more than RussiaFor naval and airforce units absolutely but not land units. You might be forgetting that Russia is using simpler weapons systems that are easier to manufacture.
>>558755The Russian strategy is to destroy the Ukrainian army in the field with minimal impact to the Russian army. They've been playing every step of this war conservatively because they're also playing a game of negotiation. There's no evidence they're ahead in a race of exhausting themselves.
What Russia is trying to do, in the Eurasian position it shares with socialist China, is carefully navigate the deteriorating security situation around the imperialist core, thanks to the Great Game 2.0 it started, without either overreaching and exposing the weaknesses of immaturity or doing nothing and being encircled then destabilized anyway. This is a long term battle that your children will be living with until Western imperialism collapses and accepts a more average role in the globalized world.
There is now a serious possibility of this thanks to how the West is whats exhausting itself. It's actually remarkable how well Marxism predicts some of this, what we are seeing is a fine example of how the base asserts itself over the superstructure. We are looking at overripe, moribund capitalism that stayed its decay using imperialism now entering crisis as globalization undermines the uneven development being exploited. It's tearing apart the liberal superstructure and revealing the true reactionary face, and I'm not talking about just the right either. At this point the West is economically hollowed out, politically bankrupt, and socially cleaved by all sorts of divisions that liberalism no longer lays to rest through prosperity. All it took was bourgeois national development reaching the periphery to upset a fragile structure, and it's wonderful to see after several decades of anti-imperialist struggle. Look at how quickly the West became an enemy of human development when China tables its south-south belt and road initiative.
>>558760Nihilist flag and I have our differences, I think.
I use to have a morbid fascination with death so I get it on some level.
>>558774>Ukrainians pushing towards Russialol stay classy Wikipedia.
For all their hubris and willingness to stuff the treeline frontlines with TDF conscripts as canon fodder, the Ukrainians really showed the character of the war back then when they cucked out of attacking the Crimean bridge and just kept lobbing hail mary attacks at the donbas, after the RF said something along the lines of "If you attack this bridge it will signal the end of
every government building inside Ukraine".
>>558773Exactly my feelings. I'm tired of this nonsense. We've been led into a crisis by, theoretically, the most advanced political system ever and we have 0 solutions
The way it confirms our superstructure is no higher than a decaying base is burdensome proof of Marxism
>>558776Also Rybar post frequent(daily?) updates from a pro-Russian perspective:
https://t.me/s/rybarHere is June 2nd:
https://t.me/rybar/33500https://i.ibb.co/dDtFNtd/02-06-1.jpgUse your fav translation addon/service and Yandex OCR tends to work well with translating maps(labels) too.
>>558781I'm 100% following his Telegram now, I thought Zelenskyy's speeches were delusional, this is another whole level of alternate reality. Total lolcow.
https://t.me/O_Arestovich_official/2158(machine translated)
>- I recently spoke about the increased operational and tactical skills of the enemy - the Russian troops.
>Now, watch your hands.
>We dragged the Russian troops into a trap in Severodonetsk, pretending to "surrender" the city.
>Now the Russian command is in shock.
>They have already reported about the capture of the SD, when our troops delivered a tough counterattack and are now drenching the Moscow comrades in meat - despite their superiority in aviation and artillery.
>Our troops show incredible courage, and commanders - tactical talents.
>There are some very tough fights. The Russian command is now throwing all available forces to hold (note, not to capture - to hold!) Severodonetsk.
>Ours are really tearing the enemy now, like lions, despite his fire superiority.
>The first prisoners from the Russian troops appeared. But not everyone is so lucky.
>The battle is not over.
>Ours are tearing, tearing, tearing.
>This is skill. Twist the enemy. >>558789I don't think they will be able to keep that up for so long that Russia wants to quit fighting first. Ukraine's economy is set to contract by
45% so I think they will come to their senses
>>558794Sure he can.
Even the Democrats rehabilitated George Bush.
80% of the world sees America as a bunch of moral hypocrites, and that hasn't affected America's pull one bit.
>>558789>hey made small gains in KhersonI'm pretty sure the DPA STIREP for that one were confirmed a crushing Ukrainian defeat after they themselves made a statement to the effect of "we are successfully defending the starting point of the counteroffensive , outside of Russian controlled territory" and another group of soldiers , involved in the """counterattack""" made another one of those videos saying they refused orders because it was a suicide mission from the start that wasn't going to achieve anything anyway.
Ukraine can cope all they want and keep filling the trenches with TDF conscripts and keep pushing those same conscripts into desperate advances to generate headlines but at the end of the day, that only means more people Russia will have to kill to fullfill their objectives. And eventually they will run out of copium.
They know the state of the front and they know being sent there from TDF is a death sentence.They know the use their government is making of them and sooner than later that will outweigh all the copium they've been accruing away from the frontlines in the comfort of their seething sofas consuming their sneed media. They aren't running on the Euromaidan fumes anymore, Poroshenko and the prev government exhausted all the idiot good will.
Bear in mind that Zelenskyy's party took the government by storm because Poroshenko was basically openly a western/Nazi stooge who was spent to sacrifice his career so the west could implement all their financial/imperialist schemes and the Nazis could get institutionalized and tamed by bureaucracy. "Servant of the People" was the reset, it was the "oh god we got fucked again please get me out" party. The party of peace, of ceasing austerity, liberal values and of finally being delivered all the "European prosperity" and other wishy washy bullshit they were promised in 2014. So Zelenskyy was already on a tight spot the moment he backed NATO warmongering, failed to do anything about oligarchs and for a large part of Ukrainians got along with the Banderies. Meaning that when the mood swings from the official narrative cracking even slightly, it's going to swing
all the way. Which cannot be allowed for the sake of maintaining support for NATO… He'll get martyred before that. And the succesors will probably be aided by US glowies to channel the swing into overt fascism.
>>558782 Another day, another
banger He did study theology, and he ain't gonna let it go to waste, even if it means writing shitty anticommunist Warhammer chaos cultist fanfic:
https://t.me/O_Arestovich_official/2168https://www.facebook.com/100001622678632/posts/5519317698132265/?d=n (with image)
(machine translated)
>- 100 days of war.
>A bit of mythology.
>A common place began to be called what fell on us with the word "Horde".
>But, firstly, this is an insult to the Horde.
>Secondly, the evil that has fallen on us is much more ancient and pitch.>It has several characteristics that are important to know:
<- this is the cult of Death, he lives and feeds on the deaths of people and animals,<- it's worse than the cult of Death, it's not just a cult of the dead, it's a cult of the most terrible agony - like those in Bucha, when people were killed slowly, voluptuously and for a long time, in front of other people, enjoying the radiations of a terrifying, boundless haze, which, according to the plan of the priests of this Cult, embraced every victim,<- this cult came out of the ancient marshy forests around Moscow, who practiced the Cult of Severe Torment of the victims and cannibalism,<- this Cult is poisonous, it imperceptibly, at the level of barely audible fumes, creeps into the souls of people, and raises there not just the primitive - the blackest, rotten, and terrible of the entire spectrum of the primitive,<- the main distributor of this cult is the Russian state TV channels, and their broadcasting must be stopped at any cost,<- a characteristic feature of the Cult is that it does not matter whose sufferings to enjoy, he rejoices in his own deaths no less than that of others - hence, the absolutely cannibalistic attitude towards his own soldiers and victims.
>From the Horde in the Cult - the ability to military organization and expansion, from Europe - "civilized clothes" in which he likes to put on.>But the Cult itself, its essence, is in the picture.
>Only we, Poles and Anglo-Saxons, can stop this Cult.>We, because our main idea is Will, Light and Freedom, the Poles - because this Swamp Scum is very familiar to them, they have been dealing for a long time, back in pre-Christian times (see Sobkovsky for the corresponding characters) and precisely because , the Poles help us so much, the Anglo-Saxons - because they have experience working with such cults in Africa and other places.
>The fight will be tough.
>But this must be stopped in the name of the whole world, because this is the black bottom of humanity, and humanity must put an end to it.
>It will take a long time, decades and the whole world to pull out Russia and the peoples of Russia after the overthrow of the Cult.
>And there is one very big danger - in no case should we become hardened in this war, otherwise this Cult will win in us, and this will be the end.
>That is why I did not give, do not give, and will not let us break into the cruelty and torment of our enemies. Whatever the temptation.I will not let the Cult replace the Light within us. >>558819from what Im reading, they ended up paying in USD but didn't pay the bit of interest that accrued because of the delays so they technically defaulted but there's always grace periods for this stuff. we find out at the end of the month if they defaulted for real
Meanwhile, WaPo is already running pre-emptive damage control for when that too fails to bring down Putler
>>558847Is that fucking Lazarus Churchyard? I have not seen this in over 20 years.
Exceedingly based. I respect you somewhat now, z-fag.
>>558824it's another nothingburger. i heard russia is doing the gas for rubles scheme with the foreign creditors now, which means they'll open accounts with gazprom or something and they'd do the dollar/ruble switcheroo and it will be paid. the vaunted "default" will amount to nothing, will have no effect on the war or the russian economy, and it will strengthen the ruble further.
and It's not a "default" in the first place when you have the money but a third party tries to make it illegal for you to pay.
>oh it's now illegal for you to pay your debts>haha you just defaulted on your debtsget fucked empire of lies
>>558864>Imagine being a Ukrainian nationalistThe recently recruited ones from the youth camps and such? Sure, cannon fodder.
But all the institutionalized ones who aren't going to volunteer or be volunteered for the frontlines? Those ones are going to reign supreme after the peace is signed. They are going to get their very own NATO sponsored Nazi state in what remains of Ukraine.
It may be that it wasn't Ukraine, but the Banderites who effectively
renewed bought their NATO membership through this conflict.
>>558867>>558857Since the topic came up, I might as well ask.
At the end of that conversation,
Lenin dismisses the identities of one's past lives as not a big deal, and says "if you only knew who I was in my last incarnation". Was that past identity of his revealed at some point in the story? I don't recall seeing it, tho I might have missed it amidst the frenzied ideation Baranko threw at me.
Also
>>558853I recall Lazarus Churchyard was somewhere in my reading pile a long, long time ago tho I never got around to it. Still tho, old 2000ad is patrician as fuck. In fact, I have a feeling the bald character here
>>558867 (besides Lenin HUEHUEHUE) might be a nod to Grant Morrison.
>>558644Basically what he
>>558645 said. Ireland intentionally became a tax haven for multinational corporations who were looking for a country to place their headquarters inside the EU to comply with the laws. So now Ireland is filled to the brim with your typical PMC and labor aristocrat jobs which are the breeding ground for liberalism.
>>558613this can't be a coincidence.
God is signalling to us that Putin is the devil
>>558940ich hab noch sie so einen Haufen EIerlosigkeit auf einem Flecken Erde gesehen. Hol dir doch mal die BILD oder schau wer sie sich sonst holt - die Leute glauben den Scheiß, das sind nicht nur die Medien.
Ist aber auch gut jetzt. Aber etwas läuft schief im Staate Dänemark, und alle tun so als wärs nicht so.
>>558940>Diggermods should filter this to "duyghur"
fucking racist germans
>>558944I think the German word "Digger" is slang for "Dicker", which means "fatso" or "fat guy" and implies that you are friends.
A bit like "bro" or "dude"
>>558946In der Tat
>>558938harsh but fair
>>558952Lmao, Belarus and Russia aren't racist and majority of the people tolerate blacks.
This graph is so cringe.
>>558952>>558954For a board of people who prides themselves on critical thinking and superior understanding, you really are all just dumb, terminally online children who happen to like communist aesthetics at the moment.
It's a RELATIVE score, not a racism score. The people in the countries in green had more respondents associate black faces with positive words. It's similar to that study with children where they show them a black face and white face, and they have to choose "the pretty one". The more green a country is, the more they associate both white and dark faces with positive words, while countries towards the red associated more white faces with positive words than black faces.
This is what happens when your political education and understanding of the world comes from easily digestible memes with clear, linear scales. Oh what, you thought spending hours a day on the Internet would turn you into a critical thinking person with superior understanding than others? Please excuse me while I go die from laughing.
>>558941>Proletarian vs. Bourgeoisie is basically trans vs. cishet of Marx's era.🤮
>>558970my sides. I had thought you were serious
>>558884>I imagine myself in Europe, leading my Platoon. Our mission is to stop wh*Te dogs from advancing. We mow down wh*Te dogs but they keep coming. I shoot wh*Te dogs but I run out of ammo so I draw my sword and begin slaughtering wh*Tes, since wh*Tes are way more psychially inferior to me, I slay them by dozens. Then I get shot, but I didn't fall, I kept fighting. Then shot again and again. wh*Tes were shooting me from a distance like the cowards they are. I lie down, facing up to sky and I see KARA BOĞA (Tengri) smiling at me, I smile back… Then I woke up, in africa, my homeland. My BLACK brethen gave me a warm welcome to heaven. I finally made it, I finally made it into heaven.. >>558996Based Tito
>>559008Putin is a posadist
>>559004What are they planning it to replace with?
No i wont watch the video
>>559013He doesn't say. He simply asserts that EU is committed to carbon neutrality and since Russia is literally an oil well with a flag and there are no alternatives to the European market, Putler is toast
The absolute state of these glowie youtube channels but they have nice graphics and the history/geopol analysis beats anything you'd read in the MSM so the normies gobble it up
>>558975Ukrainians brought in 7 territorial defense brigades do defend Donbas. When the brigades were being formed in January they specifically said they wouldn't be sent to the front line. Now they're sending these untrained soldiers into the meat grinder, keeping their morale up with small victories. That is why a lot of them are deserting.
Ukraine is hiding the real numbers. People in Ukraine are going to lose their shit when they find out what is going on. Remember, the Ukrainians we get on the internet are the Western oriented ones, those who can speak English. There are Ukrainian refugees here, practically none of them can speak English.
The government banned all media that isn't following the government line. Most of Ukraine gets their news from TV and newspapers, and they're all saying they're winning, Nazi Germany level propaganda. And sending what are untrained civilians into war and the front lines is fucking heartless.
Some real fascist shit going on over there.
https://kyivindependent.com/hot-topic/defense-ministry-to-create-150-reservist-battalions/https://archive.ph/46xLM#selection-746.0-802.0 >>559020I'm guessing it's effective because Russia will be seekign to minimize it's loses, since that's part of the NATO scheme with arming Ukraine.
So it's doesn't matter if the person in the entrenchments is a professional soldier or some random conscript with no radio that can barely shoot, as long as the the position is manned, Russia will not try to take it until it's been pounded to dust .For Ukraine it's a great deal, they can keep sending low quality troops that die about as fast as any human being when shelled and retard Russian advance about as well as their real soldiers would.
Why spend good troops in suicidal holdouts/incursions when random civilians do just fine? Morals? Puh!
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/06/russia-threatens-to-strike-the-west-horsemen-of-the-apocalypse-are-coming/>One of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top advisors warned that the Kremlin will target western “decision-making centers” if Ukraine uses U.S.-supplied rockets to strike Russia, adding a chilling warning that the “horsemen of the apocalypse” are already on their way.>“If, God forbid, these weapons are used against Russian territory then our armed forces will have no other choice but to strike decision-making centers,” Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of Russia’s national security council, told Al Jazeera, as reported by Metro. >“Of course, it needs to be understood that the final decision-making centers in this case, unfortunately, are not located on the territory of Kyiv,” he added.>“The Horsemen of the Apocalypse are already on their way and all hope now is with Lord God the Almighty,” he said. >>559030This war is feeding into a realignment between those who use liberalism and leftism to defend the most developed parts of the world and their 'progressive' bourgeois claim to globalization, and those from more backward parts who have no stake in this and react to it in many different ways.
There is a very real realignment over globalization going on and I'm not sure where it's going. It's one of the worst divisions capitalism has developed so far though.
Related to this, I was given the chance to give a small presentation to some CU DSAers about applying fishhook theory to the Western left. It went rather well and caused people to share experiences of the sectarianism they've been seeing. People resonated with the idea that theories of why there hasn't been a socialist revolution yet or how it was sabotaged are frequently being appropriated and employed to make the case that the liberal bourgeoisie is still progressive and we should essentially be social-patriotic as it globalizes. Key examples that people immediately recognized was the idea there wasn't a revolutionary class in the first world, just a petit bourgeois settler-colonial labor aristocracy, and semi feudal Asian despotism (red bonapartism) defined the Russian and Chinese revolutions. I said we haven't come up with a synthesis yet of this battle between explaining left failures and accepting liberalism again. Instead we just sort of avoid the former or give in to the latter, causing this division of 'tankies' and 'radlibs'.
But as everyone can see, since the mid 2010s this shit is rapidly getting worse. The social patriot position is basically redoing the 19th century, like capitalism under globalization is expanding the world market again, while using leftism to accuse everyone of being 19th century if they reject it.
>>559036That's because Dugin had no original ideas, he just copied various critiques of liberal capitalism and glued them together with some magic Russian character that brings them and Eurasia together. That's why his fourth political theory is a joke. It just restates the first three as all correct in their own way, but ultimately failing humanity because the dude is basically Evola and thinks modern ideologies are useless
That's why the guy is basically a rorschach test for liberals to imagine what the political world outside of liberalism is like. They believe it's basically every premodern tendency outside of civilization put together because, well, that's what dugin does
>>559039I wouldn't take McFail as representative of elite opinion
The guy is highly ideological as a liberal and since this crisis directly implicated liberalism (the retard spent years telling Russia there's no threat to it since NATO expansion is liberal expansion and it disregards balance of power because it's not really the exercise of antagonistic power) he is very invested in talking big.
Liberals basically want a democratic war to regenerate themselves after rapid overexpansion, while those who are less ideological think this is just becoming a counter productive waste
Watch the debate of John mearsheimer and McFail. The latter exists in an alternate reality and can't understand his empire is highly stressed. He just thinks in terms of realists and putinists being very alike and hating rights, democracy, etc., causing the crisis of liberal unipolarity
>>559042That's all I meant by blowhard, he talks a big game because modern liberals are like the Iraq war neocons
>>559041There are a few ways that things could escalate pretty easily, I don't think they are too imaginative but yours is the simplest. It depends on how insane the US is and I have my doubts about that
>>559050>the Ukraineoh no no no
Zelenskyy sisters we got too cocky
>>559056That's what epic internet debates do to you
>>559043Haz and Hinkle are not great but I can't expect much more from this kind of shit
If you want a slighty different perspective, on telegram there are a few "doomer" (pessimistic) ukrainian channels out there
https://t.me/s/rezident_uaposts "insider" info about factional struggles between Zelensky faction, Poroshenko faction & the Ukrainian military command
https://t.me/ZeRada1/1698Channel named "ЗеРада" (betrayal), channel is run by a disillusioned Zelesnky voter
"Канал для тех, у кого сохранилось критическое мышление"
https://t.me/ice_iniianother doomer channel but from a more nationalistic perspective
>>559070It's actually fine, because Ukrainian mines have an ingenious safety mechanism, despite being old ass devices that would otherwise kill civilians indiscriminately for years.
You see all it takes is a bit of money changing hands, to activate the safety, and Ukrainian mines become Russian mines. Problem solved.
>>559077its of cause also iteresting, as historically it was propably meant to prepare the Soviet population for the Great Patriotic War.
In socialist fashion, the simple soldiers were let free tho, as they were forced to fight.
>>559131I hate Ukraine
I hate the American bourgeoisie
I highly doubt that the /gg/ thread is going to replace this one
>>559130Based
Devastating new poll of Americans on Ukraine. just LMAO
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1619260/Joe-Biden-US-Ukraine-Zelensky-trust-poll-crisis-news
>The findings in an exclusive poll by the Washington DC based Democracy Institute shows that the international efforts to back Ukraine President Zelensky and his country’s struggle with Putin’s Russia is in crisis. The floundering leadership of US President Joe Biden has been blamed for the results which show that a majority of Americans oppose measures to support Ukraine and hurt Russia.
>According to the poll only about a third of Americans (six percent) support Biden’s Ukraine policy while 53 percent disapprove.
>Half of Americans (50 percent) disapprove of his $40 billion aid budget to Ukraine with just 45 percent supporting it.
>A mere five percent see Ukraine as a top priority compared to 26 percent on a shortage of baby formula food, 21 percent inflation and 16 percent economy and jobs.
>The concerns over the cost of living crisis which is also hitting America as well as the UK, shows that 56 percent now believe sanctions against Russia hurt the USA more while just 42 percent think it harms Russia.
>More Americans want Biden out of the White House than Putin out of the Kremlin
>Crucially, in a major blow to President Zelensky, 45 percent would be “OK” with America allowing Ukraine to lose while 40 percent “not OK”.
>Worryingly, 16 percent of those polled would like to see Putin in the White House as their President.
>Meanwhile, almost half (48 percent) oppose Putin being removed from power compared to 42 percent who support the idea.
>In fact more Americans believe that it would be better for them for Biden to be removed (56 percent) than Putin (43 percent).
>Russia is also only seen as the fourth biggest international threat (14 percent) compared to China (45 percent), Iran (20 percent) and North Korea (17 percent).Get fucked imperialist scum
>>559153Right wingers rejecting the West for their own capitalist reasons is multipolarity yes
>>559150Lol, liberal hawks btfo
>>559153Yes, Lula and Rousseff are pretty much anti-NATO
Rousseff said the Ukraine war was a chance to achieve multipolariry and Lula said zelensky shared as much blame as putin
The right wing president is pro American but wasn't very interested in sanctions
>>559156In case you don't believe me
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-lula-says-zelenskiy-as-responsible-putin-ukraine-war-2022-05-04/I think it's absolutely hilarious that liberal imperialism, a high stage of the highest stage of capitalism, is undone by the globalization it unleashed
>>559158Dialectical innit?
>>559160Still surprising that 46% of Americans polled think that Putin's deposition would be good for Americans
>>559165It's the effect of russiagate, growing social divisions in the liberal capitalist countries were basically blamed on Russia. We tried to deal with them by realigning around russia's limited use of them
To be honest when I saw that, I knew it meant we were in a serious crisis. Liberalism is one of the most seasoned ideologies in terms of dealing with capitalist crisis. When it resorted to describing a crisis of advanced conditions in terms of what it simultaneously calls a gas station and their ally in cletus, that signaled it had no real solutions. All it had left was making society realign around those who would still support it and those who were losing interest as globalization's pressures got worse
This is what bourgeois democracy failing looks like. We are incoherently mobilizing people to do anything but solve their problems. Fortunately, it's only 45%
>>559169Cardi B (I know, celeb but zoomers pay attention to her) just asked on Twitter when people think the politicians will reveal that they know we are headed for a recession.
We already knew in 2020 that the 2024 election would be fraught. But holy shit, its getting really fucking bad over here. The economy, the looming abortion fight, the insane fighting over great replacement theory, the incredibly durability of Trump with the republicans while dems have NO ONE that people like
I must say, i got my start by voting for Obama in 08. What a fucking train wreck, what these two parties led us into
We're just going to make another Ukraine thread, I'm not sure what the big drama is
>>559194Lol
so folx, heres the new one
>>>/leftypol/1005271Ukraine only but the geopolitics is linked
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