Ukrainian troops lost more than 1,200 people during the day in Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog and other regions. Up to this point, the biggest defeat of Kiev was the Ilovaisk cauldron in 2014, but even there the number of military personnel killed was less. What was the tactical plan of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and why did it result in heavy losses for them?
On Tuesday, the Russian Defence Ministry released detailed data about the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the failed attempt of the Ukrainian troops to develop a counteroffensive in Kherson and other regions. The enemy suffered large-scale losses – 48 Ukrainian tanks, 46 infantry fighting vehicles and more than 1,200 servicemen were destroyed over the past day. Thus, the attempt to counterattack was not crowned with strategic success for Kiev, but brought heavy losses to the Ukrainian Armed Forces in manpower and equipment.
The losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the failure of the August offensive are comparable to those that Ukraine suffered during the breakthrough from the Ilovaisk pocket in Donbass on the same days eight years ago, military commentator Yury Podolyaka noted on his Telegram channel. “It might be a coincidence, but Zelensky launched an adventurous ‘offensive’ in the Kherson region on the Day of Remembrance of the Defenders of Ukraine, which was timed precisely with the Ilovaisk events,” Podolyaka notes. “This is, apparently, so that the days of remembrance do not multiply – in one day to commemorate both the Ilovaisk dead and the Kherson ones.”
Recall that in mid-August 2014, the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the National Guard and the irregular nationalist battalions “Azov” and “Dnepr-1” in the Donetsk region with an attempt to reach the Russian border was stopped by the DPR militia led by Aleksandr Zakharchenko, Mikhail Tolstykh (Givi), Arsen Pavlov (Motorola) and Aleksandr Khodakovsky. By August 26, 2014, Ukrainian troops were trapped in a cauldron near the city of Ilovaisk, and during an attempt to break out the UAF and the nationalist battalions suffered extremely serious losses.
The official reports of the Ukrainian Defence Ministry included 366 dead, but the investigative commission established by the Verkhovna Rada at that time concluded that the army lost more than a 1000 (killed). The head of the commission, a deputy of the then convocation of the Rada from “Batkivshchyna” Andrey Senchenko, in an interview with LigaBusinessInform, called the Ilovaisk defeat at that time “the most severe defeat of the Ukrainian forces”.
“The Ukrainian Armed Forces of Ukraine have suffered the biggest one-time losses in recent months,” Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the National Defence magazine, told the VZGLYAD newspaper. However, he links Zelensky’s decision to launch a counteroffensive not with the Day of Remembrance of the Defenders of Ukraine, but with the EU summit being held in Brussels at the level of the heads of military departments and the Foreign Ministry. “In particular, the issue of further assistance to Ukraine from the EU is being discussed there. It was for this meeting that Zelensky demanded a counteroffensive, counting on military success,” Korotchenko believes.
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“However, the offensive turned into senseless death and further escalation between Zelensky and the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Valery Zaluzhny, so Kiev was left with a broken trough,” the source believes. We will remind that the opinion is expressed that General Zaluzhny warned the political leadership of Ukraine in advance that an attempt by the UAF at a counteroffensive in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction would end in failure. “It was a completely senseless massacre, in fact, Ukrainian servicemen were used as cannon fodder. And their lives are on Zelensky’s conscience,” Korotchenko stressed.
“Such a huge number of victims for the Ukrainian Armed Forces suggests that the tactics of the military-political leadership of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Armed Forces have not changed since the Ilovaisk pocket.
Like back then, Petro Poroshenko, and now Zelensky herded their fighters to slaughter – for the sake of creating a beautiful picture about a ‘counteroffensive’, about ‘Ukraine’s fight on the front line of all Europe against the ‘horde of orcs’.
Probably, the figures of losses and video recordings of military operations will then be presented to the leadership of Western countries in order to bargain for new supplies of weapons and money,” says Aleksandr Perendzhiev, an associate professor of the Department of Political Science and Sociology of Russian Economic University of G. V. Plekhanova and member of the Expert Council of Officers of Russia.
“Another goal of Zelensky, apparently, was the desire to rehabilitate himself for the recent defeats of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in other parts of the front,” the expert believes. “Such a victory would be widely spread throughout the entire Ukrainian and Western media space. But winning was probably a fallback for him – losing was just as good. Now, according to his plan, the West will be horrified by the number of victims among Ukrainian soldiers, and then active assistance to Kiev will resume,” the source added.
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The PR offensive of Ukrainian troops in the south was prepared on a grand scale, experts admit. For the first time in five months, a fully-fledged enemy offensive was attempted on this sector of the front, said military commander Roman Saponkov, who is in the special operation zone. “The Ukrainian Armed Forces used quite large means. Up to 20 tanks and up to 2 infantry battalions were deployed at each of the three sites,” the source said.
It should be noted that exactly the same number of tanks – 20 units – was assigned to the UAF formation that unsuccessfully tried to break through the front in Donbass, near the village of Kodema near the town of Bakhmut (DPR). “In the area of Kodema, the enemy attempted a counteroffensive, it was successfully repelled, 20 tanks and 30 militants were destroyed,” Eduard Basurin, deputy head of the DPR People’s Militia department, said on Tuesday. Also, judging by the description, in both cases – during the offensive on Kherson and in the battles near Kodema – the UAF used diversionary strikes.
“This is one of the types of tactics used by battalion tactical groups that were preparing to break through the contact line,” explained military expert Aleksey Leonkov. The tanks and APCs involved play the role of fire support, and in the event of a successful combination of circumstances, they can act as breakthrough equipment with small MLRS support.
In the actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Western standards of combat are evident, Leonkov believes. “This tactic was taught to the Ukrainian Armed Forces by Western instructors, there is no doubt about it. If they operated according to the Soviet model, they would attract significantly more armoured vehicles – about 40 units per battalion,” the expert said.
As the “Military-Industrial Courier” newspaper noted, since 2015, military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the National Guard have been training under the American JMTG-U program at the Yavorov training ground in the Lvov region. The training program included, among other things, the technique of conducting tactical combat and staff work. According to open sources, the British ORBITAL training mission and the Canadian-Danish UNIFER training program have been operating since 2015, both NATO courses were attended by approximately 20,000 Ukrainian military personnel.
However, Perendzhiev, unlike Leonkov, sees in the standard methods of breakthrough that the UAF demonstrated not the result of NATO lessons, but the legacy of not even the Soviet, but pre-revolutionary military school. “In a certain sense, the Ukrainian Armed Forces use tactics similar to the Brusilov breakthrough, the offensive operation of 1916. They strike distracting blows, and then strike in the main direction,” the expert pointed out.
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“I don’t see anything outstanding in these attempts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, everything follows Western patterns. About a month ago, the Ukrainian offensive plan leaked online, it actually completely repeats what is being done now,” said military expert Vladislav Shurygin. The fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces tried to strike in several places simultaneously (in three main directions in the Kherson theatre of operations, plus an attempt to break through in the Donbass area of Bakhmut) is explained quite simply, the source said. “There was a goal – to contact us as much as possible with the battle and, if possible, push through, break through somewhere, and then try to manoeuvre our forces and throw additional reserves in this direction,” the expert noted.
Shurygin is sure that “the Ukrainian Armed Forces were counting on an attempt to gain a foothold with the help of a spurt in order to demonstrate at least some success, progress that will be turned into a great victory further online.”
It is not difficult to conduct reconnaissance in combat, distract the enemy with a blow to another direction and then try to break through on the main one, in turn, said Konstantin Sivkov, Doctor of Military Sciences. “Another thing is that for all this, one needs to ensure the secrecy of the actions of one’s forces and their deployment. But the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have such capabilities, as well as there is no air supremacy,” the expert noted. “Under these conditions, such measures become ineffective. Therefore, the attempt of the Ukrainian troops’ offensive is accompanied by heavy losses and does not bring the desired success.”
The huge losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces that were reported on Tuesday by the Ministry of Defence are quite understandable, in turn, Shurygin noted: “To go on the offensive in a desert area, practically on a steppe, without having a complete superiority in strength and without suppressing our entire artillery support system and our combat control systems in advance, means condemning oneself to huge losses”.
>>564581lol did they fucking really push that deep into Allied territory? what fucking morons. Just so the Western media can say "Ukrainian army takes back n villages!"
Over a 1000 farmers, miners, milkmen, bus drivers have died for nothing.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/31/7365502/Mariupol: Occupiers pour concrete over bodies of those killed in Drama Theatre>During the so-called reconstruction of the Mariupol Drama Theatre, which was bombed in March, Russian occupiers are covering the area with chlorine and pouring concrete over the dead bodies of victims in order to hide them.
>Source: Strategic Communications Department of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Telegram
>Details: According to local residents, the builders were ordered not to make a fuss and not to remove the corpses, but to "pour the concrete quietly".
<A million Ukrainians were killed in Mariupolwhere are the bodies?
<Uh… they um… buried them. Yeah, they buried them. In concrete, in the ground! "Russians don't use rebar in concrete construction, they reinforce their buildings with Ukrainians, because of their massive metal balls."
>>564594This mf called General Zorn
>>564595iirc it's the UN so shenanigans will be kept to a minimum, they're mostly there to stop the endless MUH ZNPP I'M GONNA NOOOOOOK autism
>>564596Starting to see the logic in Balts being afraid of a Russian invasion if they weren't in NATO, because they're so fucking annoying they're basically asking for it.
>A delegation consisting of Anatoly Gorbunov, Yanis Dinevich, Oyar Kekhris, Ilmar Bisher and Vladlen Dozortsev went to Moscow to visit Russian President Boris Yeltsin. At a meeting organized on August 24, 1991 by the head of the plenipotentiary mission of the Latvian SSR in Moscow, Janis Peters, Anatoly Gorbunov made two requests: to remove the commander of the Baltic Military District, General F.Kuzmin, who openly supported the GKCHP and withdrew troops to the streets of Riga, and withdraw the Riga riot police from Latvia. Yeltsin granted both requests immediately, during the meeting: he ordered the commander of the Leningrad Military District that his deputy General Mironov immediately take command of the Baltic military District, and the new head of the KGB Bakatin and the Minister of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR Barannikov to provide military transport aircraft for the evacuation of riot police [4].
<And then Yeltsin, quite unexpectedly for the Latvian delegation, handed them the Decree of the President of the RSFSR "On recognition of the state independence of the Republic of Latvia", signed in their presence on August 24, 1991. "The only thing that caused a special conversation is the Russian mood in Latvia. Yeltsin said clearly: "Well, don't offend the Russians. You have a lot of them… Gorbunov promised," V. Dozortsev recalled about the conversation in the Kremlin [4].
Holy fuck lel
>>564617Only Western "people" claim Russia wanted to take Kiev in 3 days when Ukraine has the biggest army in all of Europe (and its army was trained by NATO, supplied by NATO for the past 8 years).
But sure bro, "lamo". You're edgy. You're important. You're someone.
Stay in school, kid.
>>564594I take it that this means NATO wants to start shit with Syria or Iran or whatever somewhere else and need to "prebunk" the idea that they are the ones seeking military conflict. Haven't there been like, a lot of MSM reporting of bombing Syria and how bad Iran is of recent and how they are one and the same and fighting together?
Point is, It's the NATO side that's running against the clock of US hegemony and needs to do militarism(and has the advantage) to shore up their status in the world, not BRICS no?
>>564613Winter war is basically a foundation myth of Finland. The whole country has been conditioned to lie to themselves and to each other about the great "defensive victory", because anything else would disrespect the nation and the veterans who fought in the war.
Ukrainian nationalists would probably like nothing better than to fight a long fight and lose the Russian speaking areas to Russian and then circlejeck endlessly about how the fought off the bear, while having strengthened Galician, nazi and and European identity when ones who opposed all those things are now behind the border.
Forbes is very confused
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/08/31/confusion-deepens-as-the-ukrainian-army-rolls-south-toward-kherson/?sh=325d8dd11ac3
>After more than three months of preparation, the Ukrainian army on Monday launched its highly-anticipated counteroffensive in southern Ukraine.
>The twin goals: to cut off and destroy the dozens of Russian battalions dug in north of the Dnipro River, then liberate the strategic port city of Kherson from its Russian occupiers.
>Photos, videos and official statements in the two days since the purported launch of the counteroffensive seem to confirm that the operation is real, not just propaganda.
>But it’s less clear how successful the Ukrainians have been in the first 48 hours of their counteroffensive. Reporting by CNN indicates the Ukrainians have advanced most of the way to Kherson. Other sources are skeptical of CNN’s claim.
>CNN on Monday cited an unnamed Ukrainian military source asserting Kyiv’s forces—around three-dozen battalions in a dozen brigades, perhaps 20,000 troops in all—already had liberated four settlements south of the former front line, nominally 15 miles north of Kherson.
>Three of the liberated settlements—Novodmytrivka, Arkhanhel's'ke and Pravdyne—make perfect sense, as all lie near to the front. Ukrainian battalions would’ve needed to advance a mile or less to reach them.
>Tomyna Balka, by contrast, is at least six miles from the old line of contact. Merely reaching Tomyna Balka, 12 miles west of Kherson, could require Ukrainian troops to advance for the better part of a day across open, treeless terrain. A risky proposition.
>If the Ukrainians have liberated Tomyna Balka, they’re within striking distance of the Russian garrison—part of the 49th Combined Arms Army—in Kherson. Worse for the Russians, a rapid Ukrainian advance that deep into formerly Russian-held territory could threaten the supply lines of Russian forces to the west.
>It almost seems too good to be true that the Ukrainians already have liberated Tomyna Balka. Some observers are skeptical. They’ve pointed out that the town of Zolota Balka, 50 miles northeast of Kherson, lies near the old line of contact—and would be a much easier objective for Ukrainian forces.>>564627We need to gather tips to save money in this shit to our comrades who are being fucked by their empire action in the mouth of the beast
Although mine seem to be superficial.
>How to boil water with alcohol, firewood or coal (calculate the ammount/costused in boiling 1L of water compared with electricity-gas)>Build a hot house -adapt it to the windows of a flat or a room how? stash the walls?- this ones are for the highlands of Peru and Bolivia, use firewood and sun heating the walls and stones in a sealed compartment to mantain its heat >Invest in a second use mountaineer tipe of clothingAnd one I read in some latam students in Paris , build ice coins to make a paid radiator function.
>>564634Which outcome is the likeliest,
Ziggas?
>>564641based satan quads
COME COMRADE WINTER
>>564641*666 in post number
Come Comrade Sata..Winter!
>>564648It was the RSFSR that led the primary charge in the winter war and all gains territorial gains after the winter war went to the RSFSR.
The Russian Federation is the legal successor to the RSFSR.
>>564652>Muh RSFSRExtremely reductionist, considering that USSR's wars were not only done with muh ethnic Russorinos, but also all the resources and logistics, where the other SSRs contributed to. It's like crediting the victory against the Nazis only to the RSFSR, because they made up the biggest part of the Red Army. Brainworms.
>Muh legalityFuck off, lib.
>>564642>Which outcome is the likeliest, Ziggas?They will take Kharkov, zaporozhia, Odessa, Nikolaev, and dnipropetrovsk
And once they do I'm 100% moving to Odessa
>>564667on The Hill, wow, that's really normcore for a Grayzone writer. Good for BJG
>>564669happening?>>564670Yeah I think Russia could drag it out for an extremely long time if need be and that could become necessary. I think that that must be Ukraine's final move, to simply hold out for as long as possible. I'm wondering if there will be a day when both sides are doing a very long resupply cycle and the war seems to be on hiatus.
>>564659Lmfao. These Slava ukraini guys have such a massive ego. Imagine wanting entire social media platforms to stop posting video of your specific favorite soldiers. Never in any war has this been a reality to happen
But in ukrop mind they are special and it must be done for them. All news outlets need to expose Russia and guard Ukraine at all cost
>>564681What Nazis
didn't think they were God's chosen people?
>>564664this is stupid, they think they hecking professional opsec and spotters for the kiev government.
also Dylan over there, because of his ghoul ass need to suck off ukraine is responsible for breaks in opsec and selling off dozens of ukrainian positions to russia.
>>564700it only has artist tags and medium tags like animated/cosplay
.xxx actually has tags for different positions and fetishes, like boorus do
though real connoisseurs check out both anyway
>>564696sauce?
post in the ukraine debunk thread
>>>/edu/9906 as well
>>564699was he actually paralyzed or just pretending to be?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/world/europe/ukrainian-soldiers-weapons-front-line.html>A Frontline Shadow Economy: Ukrainian Units Swap Tanks and Artillery<Most of the bartering involves items captured from Russian troops, which are exchanged for urgently needed supplies. “Let’s just call it a simplification of bureaucracy,” one soldier said.I like how this lowkey implies that command hierarchy has failed and Ukrainian units are basically just acting as autonomous if allied warlords now
Funny parallel to the White Army
>>564703Dis iz de bower of da free marget :DD
TIK abroves :DD
>>564715>In my country people don't know that the Chinese have a space station.Hint: it's not in SEA
>>564714>It's only negativity and even if China does do something impressive it's always "at what cost".>>564716>Yea I've noticed there's no chance that westerners will view China the same way as they do Japan after its economic miracleSo long as China strives to stand on its own legs. If China became a Western client state on the likes of South Korea and Japan, the Americans will be more than willing to laud China's achievements. The keyword here is support toward the imperial hegemon, not standing tall at someone's own legs.
>>564593>Strategic Communications Department of the Armed Forces of UkraineWhen you know that it's from a corporation-pandering source, you know that it's fake news in that it's excessively exaggerated. They tried - and failed - to portray Russians as the "aggressors." Furthermore, as shown in:
>According to local residents, the builders were ordered not to make a fuss and not to remove the corpses, but to "pour the concrete quietly".It may be a false-flag conducted by Kiev to demoralize and discredit the Russian "occupying" (liberating) force.
WORKING MEN OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE >>564664Through actions such as? Making memes like what's pasted?
>>564727Tldr me on what's meant by this image.
>>564727Anyone got the one where it's a bunch of ukrops in an abandoned school gymnasium? Where iirc the backstory is that a ukrainian soldier sent a picture (privately) to a friend, the friend uploaded the picture to Reddit and the school got bombed soon after. Russians then realized they were using abandoned schools as barracks or something so they started bombing all schools they could find. Redditors started berating him and shit, saying things like "nooo you got these men killed".
For situations like this, do you think the russians got men dedicated to scouring Reddit (or any site really) looking for opportunities to find ukrop locations through careless posting?
>>564711it seems different because there wasn't really any point during CW1.0 where the West seemed on the verge of collapse, but it really does now. And like another anon said, the real target of CW2.0 is China. Russia is more a threat because it's an ally and muscle for China, and also because it's been getting in the way of US policy, things they think they need to do to shape the world to stay ahead of China (overthrow Syria, Venezuela, etc). They want Russia out of the way so they can do regime changes without interference and leave China standing alone when their turn comes.
They also wanted to stop European/Russian integration, and possibly to tank the EU economy as well.
It kind of seems like they're not so much trying to replicate the Cold War, as to replicate WW2. That is what put the US on top in the first place. So get a war going in Europe, have Russia and Ukraine destroy each other, make the EU cut off their life support systems and bleed out economically, then get a war going in Asia between China and Taiwan, have them destory each other, get Japan and Worst Korea to join in so they all get destoryed. Then you've basically replicated WW2: All your economic competitors in Europe and Asia destroy themselves while the US mostly sits on the sidelines selling weapons and then comes in at the end to pick up the pieces and reshape the world in its image.
When your time as hegemon seems to be running out, it makes sense to try to recreate the thing that made you the hegemon in the first place. Seems to be pretty much what they're aiming at.
>>564689>>564691>>564692>>564697>>564700>>564701Pro-tip to new fags: putting a hyphen before a tag excludes it from search. Therefore, searching
>azula -feral_on_feralwill avoid [picrel] results.
It is hearsay, but its still kind of funny because of how hard they have tried to portray Agent
Z as his character from the show.
Zelensky rents his Italian villa to Russians – media<The realtor in charge of the villa denied the report, but did not provide any evidence, citing privacy https://www.rt.com/russia/561929-zelensky-italy-villa-russians/>>564649Bro, if climate change kills off the Gulf Stream, Western and Northern Europe are beyond fucked. Imagine the infamous Russian winter reaching all the way to Normandy.
>>564612lolled irl
>>564659>blowing our opsecLowkey admitting they're glowies.
>>564690That's pretty cool (heh) but it would make more sense with a female representing Europe.
>>564707Kek, but seriously those increases the anglos are facing are a double edge feeling, one can not feel sorry for them as footmen.
Also, well, the house works because there is sun to heat the stones and black walls…if they live near a foggy coast they can cross that option
COMRADE WINTER MAKE THE WHEEL SPIN FASTER >>564754It's nighttime so that they can have sweet dreams.
It's daytime so that we can be entertained with morning comedy while enjoying high-caffeine light-roasted black coffee.
>>564761wait, is there anyone defending poopooshov here?
to anyone. remember the state dept defended gorby. if you defend gorby, you are aligning with the u.s. state dpt.
>>564763these kiddos haven't faced one single day of their lives in misery (caused by imperialism) as I've done, they will turn into fascism once they have to share the first one of bread when things get hard. mark my words.
>>564757No. Is green, but don't remember the name of the herb. it uses like a metal straw. fuck can't remember. Search in useful idiots the last time Matt Taibi was in it, he explicitly say he needs treatment for that addiction.
>>564745Visa ban goes either way.
>>564777>Gorbachev managed to prevent bloodshedwhy is this narrative pervasive amongst libs? they memoryhole the events of the 90s as if the mass starvation and insane poverty spike never existed
its fucking evil
>>564777><"The only way the USSR would have survived would be if the August Coup succeeded. Which would have basically meant the government would have had to declare war on the seceding republics and send the army and OMON to arrest the republic governments."><"Plus the generals in charge of the coup wanted to renege Gorbachev's pull-out of Eastern-Europe, So they probably would have launched Hungary 1956 BRUTAL REPRESSIONS in the former Warsaw pact to try and justify putting the communist parties back in power"Seriously though, the August Coup guys were literally already inside all the government buildings and had Moscow under lock.
Can a Russian explain why the fuck didn't they just pop Pizza hut and the alcho and actually do this shit???
UUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHH WHY COULDN'T THIS HAVE HAPPENED >>564780>The only way the USSR would have survived would be if the August Coup succeeded. Which would have basically meant the government would have had to declare war on the seceding republics and send the army and OMON to arrest the republic governments."The fun fact is, most countries didn't want to seccede.
The one pushing it was yeltsin. If Russia goes, USSR is no more, because that was the cohesive force that put together those countries.
>>564786Never heard of this. Post source.
I am sceptical that he's Russian, because Russians rely on their VoenKors to film. Andrei Filatov was recently filming on the south front where kherson offensive happened, ambushed by a tank, and the Russians don't behave like that.
+ the face is never shown. Russians don't do that.
>>564788>The fun fact is, most countries didn't want to seccede.If we go by the results of the referendum, it's a fair bet that the SSRs which boycotted it would also give a victory to remaining in the union. But then you look at the presidential election results of the Russian SSR, and Yeltsin won over Gorbachev's man by a massive margin, 58% over 17%. Clearly, there's a contradiction here between the results of the referendum and the presidential election. Most people in the RSFSR wanted to preserve the union and communism, yet they still overwhelmingly supported the man whose entire stated goal was to undo both. Before you try to explain this disconnect, it's important to notice that this phenomenon is not only present in the typical liberal democracies, but at its core. They function by slyly subverting popular will while keeping a facade of abiding by it, and elections are the key mechanism. Cue all the leftist arguments about "choosing the member of the oppressing class will get to oppress you next" and such. When we consider this, I think that the USSR was doomed the second when they picked this farcical representative election model, because it's pretty much tailor-made to be abused by a minority class. Maybe if they had picked a more participary model, something closer to what the soviets originally were (less representation, more participation), it could have not only prevented the coup by party insiders, but also truly reform communism. But alas, Gorbachev and other reformer chose to move towards representative bullshit instead of towards the participatory root of socialism, perhap worried that people might dissolve the system, but in the end, it was the party which disolved it and the people who wanted to avoid that, but the latter were ultimately powerless to do it. This powerlessness began long ago, but at least it was balanced by a ruling class which ruled in their interest. The moment thing moved towards representation (which sounds democratic while actually subverting democracy) intead of participation, they remained powerless while other, rising ruling clases were empowered.
Vostok 2022 military exercises have some interesting participants
https://tass.com/defense/1499253>The coalition forces that will practice joint operations at the Vostok 2022 strategic command and staff drills will include operational groups of military command centers, military contingents and observers from member states of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and other partner states, including Azerbaijan, Algeria, Armenia, Belarus, India, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, China, Laos, Nicaragua, Syria and Tajikistan, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.>>564798>So apparently China has been selling excess gas to the eu latelyI've seen it mentioned on some fringe sites like ZeroHedge.
If true, Dengoids will spin this, just as they did with the "forceful measures" that didn't come in response to Pelosi's visit.
This is actually worse than China's Final Warning, which is a case of doing nothing when it should be doing something. By relieving the EU of its energy pressure, China would be doing something when it should be doing nothing. That is peak treachery and ultimately self-destruction.
>>564803why the fuck would china immediately cut exports to the EU market, one of its largest trading partners? its like saying china should decouple with the US despite trade between the two nations being the largest contributor to its economic growth
if anything, your suggestion would further hurt the chinese economy, which is already experiencing a significant economic downturn
doing nothing or doing something does not matter for the development of china especially in the context of geopolitical conflict in europe, what matters is that it continues to grow through international trade
>>564792I actually agree with patsocs on a few things but the rest of the time they are so goddamn contrarian to the point of actual retardation. A coup by Bolsonaro would almost certainly have US intelligence aiding it in at least some capacity.
Also kinda the wrong thread to post this in.
>>564792Lenin's critique of the treaty of Versailles.
Even if a government is rightoid an outside power with imperial ambitions committing economic terrorism against it is not justified.
>>564818I dont know man, I dont like Bolsonaro either and Patsocs are pretty cringe, but I do feel like lib-left americans have been abusing the figure of Bolsonaro to justify imperialist rethoric and policy.
Maybe you should ask the Brazilians who would be stuck with Bolsonaro if they'd like to be starving aswell.
>>564826>but I do feel like lib-left americans have been abusing the figure of Bolsonaro to justify imperialist rethoric and policy.libs will abuse anything to justify imperialism. no need to critically support bolsonaro to own american libtards or vice versa tbh
bernie has been doing a lot of social imperialist rhetoric. he wanted to sanction china for their carbon emissions which… wtf. China emits less carbon per capita than america despite making america's cheap consumer goods
>>564802holy based chinese
zizters on suicide watch
<nothing personnel russian capitalists, productive forces won't develop themselves >>564768plot twist, the gun is a bidet
he just wants to help people overcome their need for butt paper
>>564834Why should zisters be upset by this?
>The more desperate Europe becomes about its energy supplies, the more China’s policy decisions will have the power to affect the bloc. As Europe attempts to wrestle out of its dependence on Russia for energy, the irony is that it is becoming more dependent on China.This is based and multipolarista pilled
>>564836>Why should zisters be upset by this?your fellow zizters in russia would be VERY upset about this lol
they delude themselves that they would be in an equal partnership with china in the new multipolar age where russia would take its rightful place as a resource superpower
this is the first wake up call
>>564840they increasing trade you retard
they sell excess gas that they buy cheap from putin retard
Germany hunts for ‘Russian spies’ in government – ZeitGermany’s counter-intelligence has been investigating two senior officials at the Ministry of Economic Affairs because Minister Robert Habeck suspected them of being Russian spies, the weekly Zeit reported on Wednesday. The outlet described the revelation as “explosive” and having the “makings of a political scandal.”
Habeck and his aides contacted the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Verfassungsschutz, also known as BfV) sometime this spring, citing “inconsistencies in internal documents” related to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, natural gas in storage facilities, and the report on Germany’s energy security, Zeit wrote.
The documents reportedly “oozed understanding” for the Russian point of view and the arguments stated in them “often did not match the government’s official line,” according to the weekly. The officials allegedly “deviated” from Habeck’s position on halting the certification of Nord Stream 2, the status of Gazprom Germany, as well as the bailout of the gas supplier Uniper.
Checking into the officials, BfV reportedly found
“biographical anomalies,” such as a study trip to Russia in one case and “emotional closeness to Russia” – but nothing more substantial. According to Zeit, “no solid evidence has been found” of either espionage or corruption. There wasn’t even probable cause to wiretap their phones, read their emails, or put the two officials under surveillance.
https://www.rt.com/news/561930-germany-russian-spies-economy/Energy-starved Europe is about to learn the worth of Washington’s friendshipIn a letter that the Wall Street Journal editorial board has described as “bullying,” US Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm demands that the nation’s main energy refining companies refrain from increasing fuel exports at a time when America’s allies in Europe are in deep need. “Given the historic level of US refined product exports, I again urge you to focus in the near term on building inventories in the United States, rather than selling down current stocks and further increasing exports,” Granholm wrote, citing “historically low inventory levels of gasoline and diesel in parts of the country.” In other words, America first. Who’s surprised? Europe certainly shouldn’t be – despite what it may have been led to believe.
Granholm’s posture is a far cry from the joint statement issued by the EU and the White House on June 27th, citing cooperation in “working together to find ways to further reduce Russia’s energy-derived revenues in the coming months.” The Western allies claimed “important strides towards reducing the European Union’s dependence on Russian fossil fuels by decreasing natural gas demand, cooperating on energy efficiency technologies, and diversifying energy supplies.”
Where’s that cooperation now? The truth is that the US simply doesn’t have the infrastructure and capacity to meet Europe’s massive needs, and faces environmental pressure at home that complicates its construction. It’s the same rationale that prevented Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau from promising Canadian liquified natural gas to German Chancellor Olaf Scholz during his visit to Ottawa earlier this month.
https://www.rt.com/news/561832-jennifer-granholm-exporting-fuel-europe/ Dmitry Trenin: This Russia-China founded bloc represents half the world’s population and will help forge the new world orderOver 20 years after it began as an attempt at cooperation between five-Russian led post-Soviet states and an emerging China, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) has become a major global institution, representing close to half of the world’s population.
From September 15-16, Samarkand, one of the ancient centers of human civilization, will host the annual summit of the group. The Uzbek presidency’s priorities include strengthening the SCO’s capabilities in assuring regional security and stability; promoting friendship and good-neighborliness; raising its global profile; countering threats in the information and ideological spheres; expanding parliamentary links; energizing economic interaction; enhancing connectivity; intensifying cultural and humanitarian contacts; and raising the general effectiveness of the collective and its mechanisms.
All of this looks impressive, but quite anodyne, and the documents to be formally approved at the summit do not promise any major sensations – beyond the long-expected admission of Iran as the SCO’s ninth member state.
https://www.rt.com/russia/561753-russia-china-new-world-order/ Russia and Iran to integrate payment systems – LavrovRussia’s domestic credit and debit payment system Mir will soon be integrated with its Iranian analogue Shetab in order to facilitate mutual transactions, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Wednesday.
“On the integration and mutual use of the Russian Mir and Iranian Shetab systems, substantive talks are being held at the level of central banks. They communicated in July and agreed on a kind of a road map that will lead us to this result. I am sure that this will take place relatively soon,” Lavrov said at a press conference following talks with his Iranian counterpart, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian.
Amir-Abdollahian also expressed hope that the last technical problems for the integration would be resolved in the nearest future.
https://www.rt.com/business/561899-russia-iran-integrate-payment-systems/ >>564584>Holy shit, what an idiotic statementLiterally the same thing you said about Europe, but okay
>Do unicorns exist? They're better described with better defined characteristics than the "European" you imagine.First things first, I don't believe that there is a single European identity! I'm agreeing with you on that! My god, you're aggressively fucking stupid.
Secondly, that's an interesting question. They exist as much as any other fictional creature exists, but it also depends on how you define "exist". What impact have unicorns, or the idea of unicorns, had on our collective existence? Far more than you or I have, I dare say. Who hasn't at least heard of unicorns? By the criteria listed above, that existence is measured by impact upon one's life, unicorns are far more real to billions of people than you or I.
I hope you realise at this point that this is a purely philosophical debate.
>>564856American meddling in anything, even for alleged progressive reasons, is far more destructive than anything a local reactionary politician can do
How is removing reactionaries from Afghanistan going?
>>564856What are you going to be achieving? Making a Martyr out of one of the biggest anti-communists in latin america, just for him to be replaced by one of his henchmen, who is probably going to be worse. The Government starting another round of purges against any suspected communist or leftist?
Look, I wouldn't be against the PT or other leftist groups assassinating Bolsonaro, because if they did, they would probably be in a position to deal with the aftermath.
But if it comes from an outside force like that it just lends itself to cause even more damage and chaos.
There is this weird development I'm seeing were many american leftists are simply becoming social neo-cons.
Look, I'm going to assume that you have good intentions with this, but please just stay out of other countries business.
>>564859With the rare exception of leninhat who decided to "become" zgang because his country's imperial affairs are having repercussions at home for once.
>>564860In general, the US should always fuck off from international affairs. Bernie showing his real colors tbh. America has no right being the monopoly power in the world. Also piece of shit was silent about worse presidents like Juan Whytho, Añez, Duque, etc. The fixation of Bolsonaro is suspect and ridiculous. It's better for burgers to not interfere on matters they have no knowledge of.
>>564860>the most desired outcome (regime change)The
alleged most desired outcome.
Elensky forces apparently tried a big sneak attack to capture the nuclear power plant just before the IAEA people arrived:
https://t.me/intelslava/36254🇷🇺🇺🇦 The Kremlin was aware of the plans of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to take advantage of the arrival of the IAEA mission and carry out an amphibious landing in order to try to seize the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant and make statements for days that it was Russian special forces. Under ideal conditions for the work of the DRG, they calculated the task of taking the mission itself hostage and keeping the nuclear power plant under mines, making demands for the complete withdrawal of Russian troops to the territory of Crimea.
Boris Johnson brought the plan of operation and some of the instructors with him as a demobilization chord of his premiership, but if the GUR was successful, he would have refused to transfer power, referring to an international emergency threatening a catastrophe on a planetary scale. At the moment, 47 DRG fighters have been destroyed, three have been taken prisoner (!), Two are in serious condition between life and death. A group of 12 people is blocked on three sides and cut off from the water and boats, by 15:00 CTO will be over. Zelensky's statement on this situation is expected in the late afternoon, the head of the IAEA Mission has already been notified of the situation, as well as UN Secretary General Guterres. The operation was coordinated by MI6 officers from their headquarters in the suburbs of Kyiv.
All 64 DRGs have recently completed training in the UK and traveled from Warsaw to Odessa on 29 August.
>>564870Big if true, if the UN decides to stop being a bitch of western interest.
What is DRG?
>>564870Wait this makes no sense. So the ukr DRG was going to seize the plant, claim they were Russian special forces, but then demand the withdrawal of russian troops? Did I get that right?
>>564872спаси́бо
>>564873oof.
>>564782What is this fucking DedSec tier shit
Probably whipped together by a couple 20 year old geeks in a Kyeev basement.
>>564884>Of course Ukraine didn't freeze but their utilities bill grew 5-6 times relative to incomestill didn't help russia at all
russian ziggers were preaching how ukraine is gonna crawl back to putin begging for gas, any day now for 8 years
how's that played our for you lol?
the same thing ziggers are preaching itt relative to eurup
>>564889the french started chimping out after a 14% fuel tax increase, now all of europe will be enjoying a three digit percentage increase combined with the shortage of certain goods and politicians saying how everyone should shut up and endure it for Ukraine
Of course I might be underestimating how cucked yurofags are but still
>>564889Because the US and EU paid their bills and there wasn't a global energy shortage. European energy costs were surging BEFORE the Russian invasion.
Europe might pull through without capitulating but it would require a repudiation of neoliberalism and essentially nationalising energy generators.
>>564891t. Langcunt
>>564884All because Slavs are historically part of the Russian sphere of influence, which in the 20th century became Soviet, and who wants to destabilize that region other than Yurocunts and Washington? Exxon good, right?
>>564893great how you cry about ebil west sanctioning mother russia but then do a 180 when russia sanctions ukrainian babushkas and european poors
how are you fucking different zyganite
the sheer hypocrisy with you
like all sanctions it wouldn't work, it would only make public opinion even more hostile to russia
just like what happened in ukraine
>>564898>cry about ebil west sanctioning mother russia but then do a 180 when russia sanctions ukrainian babushkas and european poorsOne of those is super funny
Have you ever heard of the US? If you don't answer them with some strength everybody dies or is enslaved.
evil lol, why don't you accept you are a political illiterate and read a fucking book
>>564902ukrainian babushkas are americans now lol?
you're incoherent
>>564905read
also it turned out Ukrops are pretty uniquely evil, not that that is relevant
read
>>564898>then do a 180 when russia sanctions ukrainian babushkas and european poors>how are you fucking different zyganiteby what, soto vendor?
>like all sanctions it wouldn't work, it would only make public opinion even more hostile to russia, just like what happened in ukrainet. embed
>>564897>All because Slavs are historically part of the Russian sphere of influence"hitorically" you have Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth while russians were under mongols retard, should we hand them their rightful clay?
fucking red-brown duginoids, nobody cares what you think is "historically" your clay
>>564917>should we hand them their rightful clay?Yes
>fucking red-brown duginoidsLmao. Now I know you've spent far too much time online NATO boy.
>>564918>YesI'll tell belarus and smolensk right away
>N-no w-we are not duginoids we swear!!I wasn't me who was crying about fashoid grifter Тупая пиздень being blown up itt ziggers
>>564922>I wasn't me who was crying about fashoid grifter Тупая пиздень being blown up itt ziggersFirstly, you can disagree with political assassinations, especially against the targets family, without endorsing their views. Secondly, in all the crying I didn't see anyone who actually said they followed Bernie Sandersat all. At best it was outrage against a political attack on a civilian.
Personally I was just perplexed why Ukrainians think Bernie Sandersactually matters. He isn't Putin's adviser, and his proclaimed revanchist ideas are nothing special.
>>564927It's like saying Rush Limbaugh is Trump's advisor
just completely insane, which is what is actually offensive about reddit / libs
>>564910zyganoid, whatever you think, those sanctions, for which babushkas and poors footed the bill, DIDN'T HELP RUSSIA AT ALL
IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING
THIS IS A FACT
>>564930Your whole goddamn system is going to come down, maybe not very soon but in the not too distant future for sure.
Know this and despair
>>564926cope, this is polish-lithuanian rightful historical clay
they should have it
Scientists are already working on a heart hardening pill specifically created for president PutinThe biotechnichal company RusBio has announced that their new medicine entered its second phase of testing, entering animal trials. The miracle pill based on previous Viagra technology will aim a different organ: the heart.
"Hardening the heart muscles and its surrounding areas for pres. Putin should pose no more significant challenges Viagra already does to the muscles and bones in the human penis," says leading RusBio scientist Lavrey Borisovich. "The challenge, rather, is in convincing the president to take the heart hardening pill."
The spokesperson in the Kreml so far refused to answer our questions regarding the softness of president Putin's organs.
https://www.rt.com/BioRus-miracle-pill-Putin.html >>564931>Your whole goddamn system is going to come downI know that russian pederation is going down soon
and I despair that I was born here
>>564934No matter
As long as you despair I am happy
>>564937ok westoid
go cheer for russia while you sip your sturbacks latte
>>564929Western journalists just regurgitate wikipedia and wikipedia says "Foundations of Geopolitics" by Bernie Sandersis required reading at Russian military academies. Therefore obviously Bernie Sandersis the intellectual mastermind behind Russian revanchism.
When in reality the only evidence of Dugin's influence is as adviser to some minister years ago and that he hasn't been thrown out a window yet.
>>564940A modest proposal, comrade.
>>564930Dreadful Russian sanctions against Ukraine aka "ok since you want to be Europe, pay us the market price on resources libtard"
anyway, they made ukrops and you, personally, seethe so it was worth it
>>564930>those sanctions, for which babushkas and poors footed the bill, DIDN'T HELP RUSSIA AT ALLExcept that Russia's making inroads in
other Global South countries. I hope my country breaks free of its 25/1966 + 27/1999 trap and start to make relations with Russia. Neutrality has been tough, it's all because of the States. The States do not want any country to be neutral.
>>564945No that's one anon that we're facing against rn. It regurgitates Langley talking points.
If this were 1971 or even worse 1961 the Russians would be genocided to oblivion by Langley just like how they did to us back in 1965 (
302 is back)
>>564952yep
ukrainians deserved better - by not backing azovsky
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/business/russia-oil-companies.htmlContinued.
Told by Capital itself. How is Russia siding with Capital given this, Langley?
>>564955Does it really? Why are people being dehumanized on both sides? The Ukrainian side has fascistic sensibilities, members, support, and ideology which is used to dehumanize Russians as subhuman, while the russian side is dehumanizing the armed forces of Ukraine because of its fascist sympathies.
I don't think the comparison is fair since they are not equivalent. Fascism must be destroyed wherever it is.
Dehumanizing or not, I don't see how that's even relevant to a global proletariat struggle, since the enemies of Russia are objectively the enemies of the global proletariat.
>>564965Totally agreed.
>im sure your average lower class ukrainian 7 yr old child who doesnt know what the fuck is going on has fascistic sympathies lolthis is a time where he can choose sides, either for the RF or UA. (probs the former)
>>564970I think it's "war is bad, struggle hits innocents so we must watch Agent Kochinski and cheer fascists"
but it's hard to tell their brains don't work
>>564946>NOOOOO Putin is le based communist NOOOOOAAHAHAAAAHA
what cope is it gonna be this time zizters?
A Tiktok made back in 2021 about Indonesia (a victim) made it clear what will happen if Ukraine wins - and so is Capital.
>Welcome to Indonesia have a look around
>Herd stupidity is the culture of the town
>We are all for diversity, so please don't worry
>But if you're minority, oh please shut up baby
>Welcome To Indonesia we got what you need
>Natural resources that we exploit casually
>We have freedom of speech democracy
>But don't forget we have UU ITE
If the SMO wasn't launched, then:
>Welcome to Ukraine! Have a look around:
>Herd stupidity is the culture of the town!
>We are all for democracy, so please don't even worry!
>But if you're a Russkie, oh, please, shut the fuck up!!!
>Welcome to Ukraine! We got what you need!
>Natural resources that gets exploited by foreigners and not us!
>We also respect people, and provide equality
>But if you're homeless and poor and starving, you clearly have no say, baby!
>>564972The proletariat is not necessarily for itself and hence you are not correct. The western proletariat is by and large not for itself, and sides with capital and the bourgeoisie, which means that they are also the enemies of the global proletariat for itself.
>>564977There has been "collateral damage" of NATO meddling and fascist miltias in Ukraine for years. Why cry now?
>>564981Not sure what you are saying but I like your spirit
Remember every single liberal must die for the world to live
>>564979>r/tankiejerk.what's that? sorry I don't use reddit, zigger
I've had enough of redditors in this thread
>>564986>Damn some you ziggas are so unhinged there's friendly fire when someone says "war bad" in their post lol.You may say "War bad" but think again. Russia could just stage a coup à la March 11, 1966. But knowing that coups won't solve the rampant far-right syndrome that is called Azov, starting a special military operation is the only option remaining.
You can say War bad and not support Zelensky, still.
#NAFO = North Atlantic Fuck Off
>>564988>I've had enough of redditors in this threadLmao, sure you have when all you do is repeat braindead ideas like "red-brown duginistas!".
Also, I'm not a Russia supporter. I'm just here to watch NATO fail (again).
>>564989uygha don't tell me to read books, what the fuck are you even saying. You didn't even address my points.
>>564774>it uses like a metal straw. Yerba mate.
>>564987>Not sure what you are saying I'm replying to that Langley bastard who apparently must do its duties before he is fired.
>>564984Good thing.
>>565001Even if you're not one but still, you deserve to die, liberal, please shut the fuck up and go buy more starbucks
>I know this is just what a CIA operative would say right? But really.CIA operatives say: "Glory to Ukraine and glory to Zelensky for fighting against "Putinist imperialism" while being more than willing to privatize state assets and exploit the populace like what they did in Indonesia in 1965-66!"
>>565000>You didn't even address my pointsBecause you have a childish understanding of class struggle.
>don't tell me to read booksYes I do, you can begin with this
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/There's an audio version if you struggle with words.
>>565000>You didn't even address my points.Do they ever?
the lib is just angry cause I told it to read before opening its retarded mouth
>>565009Class is divided into 3: the rulers, the petties, and the proles.
The petties may pick a side in the revolution but most choose to benefit the rulers.
The proles fight against the rulers because all the rulers want is money, while all proles want is life.
>>565010I want the alphabet soup natoids to make a Pax Occidentalis thread, just to laugh at their jerking off about how "decolonizing Russia is actually marixsm" and NATO nazifying and sending billions of dollars in weapons is exactly what Lenin meant by national liberation.
>>565011Kekkkkkkkk
And you say that I
>>565007>have a childish understanding of class struggle.No, my sweet summer child. It seems you keep projecting your limitations over and over. If you're honest about anything, stop being so confident in your ignorance.
>>565012Yes, but it is essentially the same as tea or coffee. It's a different chemical, but in terms of effects, habits, and danger its pretty much the same. I'd go so far as to say that coffee might be more prone to overdosing….
Maybe it was kratom, that shit can be more addictive. Or khat, as the other anon said.
>>564945>Damn, the libs are out in full force today. Is this the lib-"lefts" 431st-repetition of the: "Well, the United States USED to be bad, but now it's totally different bros, we're totally the good ones this time"-Schtick like they pulled with Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.Its part of malaise. Western political traditions are aging poorly. They repeatedly treat global divisions like they're divisions of Europe at the turn of the 20th century. Neolibs and neocons talk about appeasement, bad western leftists talk about inter imperialist antagonism, etc etc
They treat the world as an extension of how they treat Europe because we haven't actually developed anything greater yet. As a result, anti ziggas have a consistent theme of feeling like you betrayed a eurocentric position. Doesn't matter if they're liberals or leftists
This is deaptation. Ideas born from dealing with excesses of power within Europe scale terribly and can reproduce this power when applied elsewhere
You need a global picture of capitalism and the understanding of its collective monopolists smacking down potential competitors in the semi periphery. We don't have too many comparisons to this in the past, especially in Europe. Nobody wants to think in those terms though, it's uncomfortable
>>565020europe and the united states are fueled by rentierism and finance and thus are reactionary and need to be opposed at literally every turn.
if you don't understand this you don't understand what is reaction vs progress and why and how it works.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-reports-detail-russia-s-vast-filtration-system-for-ukrainians/ar-AA11lhPsNew findings expose machinery of Russia's 'filtration' of Ukrainians>Moscow and its separatist allies in Ukraine have forcibly transferred hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to Russia since the start of the war, according to U.S. officials and human rights investigators, sending many through a vast and punitive “filtration” system that includes detentions, interrogations and mass data collection.
>The system operates in Russian-occupied areas and is overseen by the Kremlin, which is using “advanced technology” to gather data on Ukrainian citizens, a State Department official said in a briefing with reporters on Wednesday.
>In recent days, two reports — from the New York-based Human Rights Watch and Yale University’s Humanitarian Research Lab — have shed new light on the scale of the filtration network and its impact on civilians. Both reports say there is evidence the system violates the laws of war.Ukrainian counteroffensive has failed, Russia is taking land, return to regular programming of Allied war crimes, genocide, mobile crematoria, filtration camps.
>>564815oh wow, the cunt who greenlighted the ukrops to attack Donbas and escalate the conflict does not care about voter.
Ms. annalena baerbock wants to revive the glory of the hitlerian days
bullet in the bunker included>>564817pff
lol
>>564819Took them a lot of time, really. I hope he doesn't get killed. fuck nazovites.
>>564826>lib-left americans have been abusing the figure of Bolsonaro to justify imperialist rethoric and policy.like Bernard? he doesn't have any real power, nor will change what the u.s. says or does. stop being obsessed with a loser.
>>564840oh sweetie, is the west who wants to cut trading with the world, not the way around.
>>564847> Germany hunts for ‘Russian spies’ in government – Zeitthey can hunt nato spies, they won't.
> Russia and Iran to integrate payment systems – LavrovAnother win for multipolaristas.
>>564850kek, the new toilet paper.
>>564870I hope those suburbs in kiev get kaliber'ed
>>564871you expect a u.s. cucked organization to respond after this? lol
lmao
first, the u.n.'s fmi needs to withdraw the u.s. dollar as their reserve currency or at least main and only reserve currency.
second, the u.n. should move out the west offices, be the central office in a place like Africa.
Third they would have to finally use their blue helmets to support palestines over ziosrael.
>>564873good, good.
>>564879not even the first summer has arrived.
>>565012>>564998>>564886>>564997You guys… I told you it was the last video he did an appearance in useful idiots.
Here, Matt Taibi confesses he has an
AYAHUASCA addiction problem, the main reason to withdraw from useful idiots.
also another project >>565031>first, the u.n.'s fmi needs to withdraw the u.s. dollar Aaaah shit, call me foolish but I didn't know the IMF was a UN agency. Fucking hell.
>>565031>AYAHUASCA addiction problem, Ayahuasca is not really addictive in the same way kratom or cocaine is addictive. Weird comment he made, but I guess any drug can be habit forming.
>>565038<and sterilize*<legal migrants*The US has always been kinda fascistic, but sometimes it really outdoes itself.
>>565024Based as always.
>>565051> of gandhi effect.What's that?
Are you a Spanish speaker by any chance?
>>565053>>565055Yeah, both tanks looked abandoned. And obviously released for propaganda purposes.
>>565042holly kino video.
roasted ukrop.
>>565049these guys could coup the actor in kiev, but they prefer to fertilize the land
>>565062>>565061this is what a suicide mission looks like, folks.
>>565078 (me)
The 2K25 Krasnopol[8][9][10] is a Soviet 152/155 mm cannon-launched, fin-stabilized, base bleed-assisted, semi-automatic laser-guided, artillery weapon system. It automatically 'homes' on a point illuminated by a laser designator, typically operated by a drone or ground-based artillery observer. Krasnopol projectiles are fired mainly from Soviet self-propelled howitzers such as the 2S3 Akatsiya and 2S19 Msta-S and intended to engage small ground targets such as tanks, other direct fire weapons, strong-points, or other significant point targets visible to the observer. It can be used against both stationary and moving targets (providing these remain within the observer's field of view).
I don't link to wikipedia because it's cancer.
>>565079Since it was made in the Soviet Union, I'm automatically assuming it's better than US Excalibur shells. Am I wrong? Is it cheaper and more worthwhile than US MIC scam number 156174?
>>565075>starcraft anyone?Never played Starcraft but I got myself Call to Arms recently.
>>565085An Excalibur is $112k, a Krasnopol is $35k (export price, likely even cheaper domestically)
Quality wise, who knows
>>565082HARDEEEN AY AY AY AY AY
In other news, Boris Johnson displaying big brains here.
>>564832I once went into a r/worldnews comment section and saw:
>Everything was fine for the world after the 90's, but Putin just had to ruin it all!And i'm barely paraphrasing the comment.
>>565089The funny thing is that he is wrong. Gorbachev just went and sold out the Warszaw Pact DDR included for no reason except "muh democracy". He could have kept it but didn't. Even Americans were surprised how easily everything was falling into their hands.
Westoids can't even recognize a Russian when he betrays his country.
>>565103johnson making these statements, when he is not in charge, man, he really wants to keep his political career.
>shouldanyhow, where does that end british karen, where? lmao
Russian MoD:
The hostilities of Ukrainian sabotage groups unleashed on the day of the arrival of IAEA experts with artillery shelling of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant by the Armed Forces of Ukraine leave no doubt about the advance preparation of this military provocation by the regime of V. Zelensky.
◽️ It was with the completion of the preparations for the operation to seize the Zaporozhye NPP by Ukrainian saboteurs on the day of the arrival of IAEA experts that the cancellation of the visit of R. Grossi to the plant on August 31 was due, instead of which his “unscheduled” meeting with V. Zelensky took place.
◽️ Obviously, if the Kyiv regime’s operation to seize the station was successful, the head of the IAEA, R. Grossi, and the mission’s experts would become a “human shield” for Ukrainian saboteurs to prevent any actions to destroy them by units of the Russian armed forces.
◽️ The role of the IAEA mission in this case would be reduced to fixing a new status quo - "Zaporozhye NPP came under the complete control of Kyiv", with a new wave of high-profile statements from Washington and European capitals calling on Russia to provide a "demilitarized zone" around the nuclear power plant, where they should stay IAEA observers under the protection of the Ukrainian military.
◽️ This provocation was thwarted by the effective actions of the units of the Russian armed forces and the National Guard. At present, the IAEA mission headed by R. Grossi has arrived at the nuclear power plant and has begun scheduled work with the Russian side fully ensuring its safety. Deserves respect for the position of R. Grossi and his team, who nevertheless left for the station, despite the provocations of Kyiv and the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
◽️ In this regard, we completely understand the deathly silence of all Western sponsors of the V. Zelensky regime, which actually confirms their tacit participation in the preparation of today's provocation at the Zaporozhye NPP. At the same time, the absence of a public reaction to the actions of Kyiv in the area of the Zaporozhye NPP from the side of the UN Secretary General António Guterres in Vienna causes reasonable bewilderment.
◽️ Such silence not only casts a shadow and casts doubt on the objectivity of the UN approaches in the situation around the Zaporozhye NPP, but also leads to a further increase in the escalation of the situation there, with the Kyiv regime completely impunity.
President Putin: I spoke with the Minister of Education Sergey Kravtsov yesterday. He was in Donetsk and other territories in East Ukraine. He told me students didn't even know that there was a Crimean Bridge. They didn't even know that Ukraine and Russia were part of a single state – the Soviet Union. That's how they were taught it all. And not only children, even adults, many, apparently, do not know that Ukraine never had its own statehood before the Soviet era. Noone knows it there. Everyone believes that some kind of Russian aggression is happening today. No one understands or knows that after the coup in Ukraine in 2014, the residents of Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea did not want to recognize the results of this coup.
A war was actually waged against them for 8 years. And our task, our mission, the mission of our soldiers, the militia of Donbass is to stop this war, to protect people. And, of course, to protect Russia itself, because an anti-Russian enclave was created on the territory of today's Ukraine, which threatens our country, so our guys protect the residents of Donbass and protect Russia itself. Of course, this deserves every support from society as the guys who are fighting there are risking their health, some are dying. They need to understand what they are giving their lives for. For Russia and for the people who live in Donbass!
>>565039Weird to jump cut right before impact, tbh.
Reminding people that those roof cages on Russian tanks at the start of the conflict was actually to stop Syrian rebel drones doing similar with modified RPG7 rounds.
>>565126At about 06:00 Moscow time, Ukrainian troops landed on the coast of the Kakhovka reservoir three kilometers northeast of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in two sabotage groups of up to 60 people on seven boats and attempted to seize the power plant. They were British trained individuals recently transferred from Poland. The Kremlin claims that this was an MI6 planned operation orchestrated by Boris Johnson and that Russia had information about the plan and was aware of it happening.
Full statement from Russia:
The Kremlin was aware of the plans of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to take advantage of the arrival of the IAEA mission and carry out an amphibious landing in order to try to seize the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant and make statements for days that it was Russian special forces. Under ideal conditions for the work of the DRG, they calculated the task of taking the mission itself hostage and keeping the nuclear power plant under mines, making demands for the complete withdrawal of Russian troops to the territory of Crimea.
Russia claims that Boris Johnson brought the plan of operation and some of the instructors with him as a demobilization chord of his premiership, but if the GUR was successful, he would have refused to transfer power— referring to an international emergency threatening a catastrophe on a planetary scale. At the moment, 47 DRG fighters have been destroyed, three have been taken prisoner, Two are in serious condition between life and death. A group of 12 people is blocked on three sides and cut off from the water and boats, by 15:00 the CTO will be over.
Zelensky's statement on this situation is expected in the late afternoon, the head of the IAEA Mission has already been notified of the situation, as well as UN Secretary General Guterres. The operation was coordinated by MI6 officers from their headquarters in the suburbs of Kyiv (Ukrainian sources confirmed everything the Kremlin said so far, as well as confirming the failures and ambush of Ukrainian special forces)
All 64 DRGs have recently completed training in the UK and traveled from Warsaw to Odessa on 29 August.
Russian Armed Forces & Air Force was immediately deployed and sunk the boats. Ka-52s arrived at the same time raising hell onto Ukrainian special forces.
Ukrainian sources claim that the AFU is furious and trying to figure out how Russia was aware of the operation and where it went wrong
>>565120I find it so much cringe when they do these scenes in which Putin sits with Shoigu or whoever and pretends to be briefed and then give orders. It's … well it's like nobody can be arsed to put a good performance.
IDK western propaganda is also turbocringe and pretends that that the use of political power isn't decided behind closed doors. But at least they do a lively spectacle and aren't afraid of pumping the president or whoever full of god knows what, so that their gerontocracy looks more lively for the occasion. (I cant imagine Biden lasting another term even if he won lol)
>>565136It's interesting that Russia is fighting NATO weapons, NATO instructors, NATO mercs, German tanks, French Artillery, Polish tanks, Turkish drones, MI-6 and CIA, yet they can't get Kiev in 3 days.
Who would have thought. Natoids are severely retarded.
>>565142Retarded Anon
Retard'd Anon
>>565140I imagine their plan was to bumrush somewhere the IAEA could then protect them from the Russians with the pretext of nuclear security.
Then Russia would be stuck with them or would have to kick out the IAEA if they don't want a permanent western glowie base behind the front-lines with access to the nuclear plant. And once they are protected it's a matter of massaging the narrative about the Russian's nasty obstructions to the new """neutral""" zone when they refuse to let the Ukrainian soldiers rotate and resupply and accuse the IAEA of protecting NATO interests and such.
Once they get a foot in the door, they can send any number of personnel disguised as international observers,demand mobility, western glow, set listening posts, kidnap and interrogate Russian personnel, sabotage the plant for scares and blame Russia, advocate for kicking them out, collect(or make) atrocity porn without tanking the IAEA's supposed neutrality and who knows what else.
>>565145>Once they get a foot in the door, they can send any number of personnel disguised as international observers,demand mobility, western glow, set listening posts, kidnap and interrogate Russian personnel, sabotage the plant for scares and blame Russia, advocate for kicking them out, collect(or make) atrocity porn without tanking the IAEA's supposed neutrality and who knows what else.i am wholly convinced and concerned that this is what will happen. the head of the delegation, before even stepping foot at the plant, said that he intends to set up a permanent encampment there, as well as the politicized statement, completely unprovoked, that the plant and surrounding area belongs to ukraine and must be returned immediately.
>>565155May be this will spark a new will from the people to recreate a functional socialist state
but without ukraine this time lol
>>565162damn,Poland really is fucked if they have to start begging for money out of nowhere.
(Germany is 100% not going to pay that)
>>565163One can only speculate, the article mentions this part:
>Donald Tusk, leader of Poland's biggest opposition party Civic Platform, said on Thursday that Kaczynski's announcement was "not about reparations".>"It's about an internal political campaign to rebuild support for the ruling party," he said.https://archive.ph/ApTi7He is probably on the money, but it is worth noting that Tusk is a liberal and former EU prez., and thus has his own biases in favor of Europe and Germany.
>>565131"My parents died for this flag, and you're stepping on it."
Damn, tears.
>>565155I really hope she gets to see that photo, does anyone know if she is in liberated or ukrop controlled territory?
<Ravil Maganov (pictured with Putin), the chairman of Russia's second-largest oil producer Lukoil, died on Thursday after falling from a hospital window in Moscow.
<One day after Russian armed forces started their offensive on Ukraine in February, a Gazprom executive, Alexander Tyulakov, was found dead in his garage.
<In April, Sergei Protosenya, ex-top manager of Russia's largest liquefied natural gas producer Novatek — was found dead with his wife and daughter at a villa in Spain. Spanish authorities said they believe he killed his family and then took his own life.
<In May, ex-Lukoil manager Alexander Subbotin was found dead in a basement in Moscow.
<Days later in May, Vladislav Avayev, the ex-vice president of Gazprombank, was found dead in his apartment along with the bodies of his wife and his daughter.
<It’s worth noting that Lukoil spoke out against the “Special Military Operation” in Ukraine. On March 3rd, the company released a statement: the board of directors expressed their “concern” over the "tragic events" in Ukraine and called for the "soonest possible end to the armed conflict" via negotiations. https://t.me/asbmil/4601 >>565208Of course it is, but they were Julian's friends.
Also:
French Permanent Representative to the UN Nicolas de Riviere: “I am a little skeptical that Ukraine will be able to return the lost territories. I would be surprised if Ukraine could drive Russians out of Donbass or drive them out of Crimea.”
They ran out of copium tbh.
>>565217Boycott USA when???
Close down ALL American subreddits, /r/consensualbreeding remains offline until you do so.
>>565222>>565223Thesis:
>Multipolarista tags are dark_skinned, tomboy, femdomAntithesis:
<what about autistic azn gfsSynthesis:
DARK SKINNED AUTISTIC ASIAN TOMBOY FEMDOM GFs REPRESENT MULTIPOLARISTA GANG >>1148184I'm not up to date on the latest news from Thailand, but since it's a Global South country, I guess so?
>>565228Kinda surprising to see Röpcke, a guy who was whitewashing Azovites, admit that Ukraine is suffering setbacks.
>>565229 (me)
I mean… he was doing pretty much picrel.
>>565162I'm legit surprised they're not saying it's Russia who owes them for WW2.
>>565144>>565153I thought it was a shame but she supported Ukraine so #RIPBOZO
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