Right now the biggest mass movement since BLM is happening in the US. This deserves its own thread because its a massive IRL protest. Next week their will be many more colleges joining. This is a massive movement.
>>590673The very brutal police crackdown on peaceful protests will cause massive grassroots push back. I am a student at a state college, my SJP group is planning a protest this week. Many other chapters are doing the same. This has just barley gotten started. 2024 will be another summer of rage. This is a
MASSIVE grassroots mobilization happening right now. If the campuses crack down we will take the protests to teh streets.
>>590676>If the campuses crack down we will take the protests to teh streets.If? You should do it right now because at the moment things are looking limpwristed as fuck.
With every student protest around the world I see I become more and more convinced that Marx was right about solely the proletariat having revolutionary potential.
>>590679Also,
>CCPNot even trying to be marxist at this point, are you?
==Deadline passes for pro-Palestinian student protesters to clear George Washington University
Alan Fisher
Reporting from Washington, DC==
We are an hour past the deadline that the authorities said they wanted the people to move out of College Square right here in the heart of Washington DC – to clear the encampment.
Just in the last hour we have heard from the university saying that the occupation is illegal, is against university policy, and they are continuing discussions with the metropolitan police – the local police department in Washington DC – about how best to clear the area and return it back to the way it was 14 hours ago.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/26/israels-war-on-gaza-live-un-says-preserve-evidence-of-gaza-mass-graves>>590673Idiot.
Universities are a major institutional link with Israel and to weapons manufacture. Comparing the relevance of campuses to BLM and to Israel is laughable.
>inb4 hyperbole strawmanno
>>590690lol do you think these just spring up? Where I am (not US), these are organized and instigated by socialist orgs. Every time I see student protestors being whined about in the news, I recognize my comrades front and centre.
If your org isn't doing this, fuck off out of there and find the ones who are.
>>590681Are you one of those guys who likes to pretend to have read Lenin but hasn't
>And however weak and embryonic this beginning may be, the party of the working class must make use of it and will do so. We were able to work years and decades before the revolution, carrying our revolutionary slogans first into the study circles, then among the masses of the workers, then on to the streets, then on to the barricades. We must be capable, now too, of organising first and foremost that which constitutes the task of the hour, and without which all talk about co-ordinated political action will be empty words, namely, the task of building a strong proletarian organisation, everywhere carrying on political agitation among the masses for its revolutionary watchwords. It is this task of organisation in their own student midst, this agitation based on the concrete movement, that our university groups, too, should tackle.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/oct/03b.htm >>590703Comrade, have you perchance read
Manufacturing Consent?
>>590693>organized and instigated by socialist orgs. Got any source for that claim?
As far as I can tell, most Westoid Palestine supporters are still just anti-war libs. They need to be educated, so that they may direct their efforts properly.
>>590703>actual left wing media isn't profitableWhat for-profit company would be willing to advertise in leftist media and make it profitable? Only people who can pull it off are individual streamers or celebrities who take donations from a large group and are sustained that way.
>WSWS and the Morning Star and so on should just rebrand as like 'the Daily News' and trick normies into thinking it's just a 'regular non ideological' newspaper.Epoch times pulled it off and they didn't rebrand. But they are a cult backed by anti-communist dark money and got massive support from Trumptards.
Also, Newspapers are a dying medium. If your not a legacy paper the chances of taking off are limited. Leftist need to get into new media.
>>590681Lenin literally was an intellectual you retarded fuck
And yes, both those countries’ communist movements actually did start as student movements, because, shocker, most people aren’t into obscure radical politics
God I fuckin hate MLs here man, you people are so busy jizzing to propaganda images and memes you genuinely don’t know ANYTHING about the history of the movements you venerate, literally fucking NOTHING bro, even if a bolshevik revolution was possible in this century you sad uber faggot LARPers can’t do ANYTHING to help it because you’re too busy jerking off to read a history book
>>590722Less Americans are chinlets now than in 1970
Most people support the protests, only certain upper middle class honkoids and Redditors are anti-protests, but those groups are subhuman and wouldn’t survive a Second American Revolution anyway
>>590725Most people as in the chinlet faggots half this board wants to seem cool to?
How much of a loser do you need to be to want pol to like you, like, who fucking cares what them or the RedScare faggots or redditors care about, if someone could have a brick smashed into their face without the world becoming worse their opinion doesn’t matter
>>590735No, most americans, or at least, most white Americans, more accurately most white males and white women over the age of 35, are born and bred reactionaries and counterrevolutionaries, so deeply ingrained in cultural anticommunism and the capitalist individualist liberal mythos that fascism is practically in their DNA
In a true American socialist revolution there would need to be a cultural revolution, all whites that did not fight with the revolution or ever criticized socialism and communism between 2020 and 2025 would be marched to the eastern shores of the USSA and told they can either truly embrace communism right now and assist the revolutionary people’s development of a society of free association or swim the fuck back to Europe
>>590740Every socialist and worker movement has thus far failed, yet it never stops this board from jacking off to countries and movements they have 0 connection to
People should absolutely draw on conditions from living memory
I bet you’d be soyfacing if they named themselves the neo-Bolsheviks or something despite that being way more alienating to normies
>>590738I don't disagree. burgoids are scum. but so are the demoralization trolls that show up to shit on anybody that does the rignt thing
.
>>590742I’m saying that in response to the demoralization trolls
I despise the tendency on this board to downplay ANY positive development in US mass politics
Fags here whined about the BLM protests, they shit on Occupy Wall Street, they whined months ago with the initial pro-Palestine protests
But what do the anons here do that’s so valuable, so much better than le cringe protestors
NOTHING
FUCKING NOTHINGJust jerking off to dead movements and dead people and countries they have no connection to
You’ve got protestors getting their skulls bashed in by cops and armchairs feeling superior to them
The most people here do based off claims is literally being in worthless microsect book clubs and that one CPUSA anon in a zombie party that constantly sympathizes with fascists, I fucking hate it
>>590673>Is it also as impotent as BLM?No, much more impotent. A hundred thousand times more impotent because they have zero capacity for violence and they are already self constrained to their own "free speech zone". The only reason it has any relevance is because rightoid culture warriors made a big stink of it and valorized participating in these campus protests. The very moment the order is given, it will peter out to the usual fringe activism that nobody cares about.
This shit glows and I can't wait for you cunts to rehabilitate it six months down the road, after it's served it's purpose.
>>590759>>1837169>>1837171>>1837184>>1837192probably bait which is especially sad. in the off chance any of you are somehow serious, you are terrible marxists if you think "action does not immediately lead to expected result" means it was somehow meaningless. 5 years ago this level of support for palestinians in the US was completely unimaginable, and the consistent efforts of organizers over decades laid the groundwork to make this kind of response possible. i know some people whove been doing palestine solidarity actions & reading groups since the 2000s, and their experience, knowledge, and connections have been instrumental in the maintenance of UNINTERRUPTED palestine solidarity protests going on since october
the idea that because an action doesnt immediately result in the desired effect means it is useless and impotent is first of all an indication that you have no idea how any of this shit works on the ground, and moreover its the mentality of a spoiled child.
>>590718I didn't say that.
>>590745You probably don't get anyting that happened after Occupy without Occupy. People learn from their mistakes.
>>1837230Everything fails. It would be undialectical if it didn't fail.
>>1837238>Marxists hold that man's social practice alone is the criterion of the truth of his knowledge of the external world. What actually happens is that man's knowledge is verified only when he achieves the anticipated results in the process of social practice (material production, class struggle or scientific experiment). If a man wants to succeed in his work, that is, to achieve the anticipated results, he must bring his ideas into correspondence with the laws of the objective external world; if they do not correspond, he will fail in his practice. After he fails, he draws his lessons, corrects his ideas to make them correspond to the laws of the external world, and can thus turn failure into success; this is what is meant by "failure is the mother of success" and "a fall into the pit, a gain in your wit".https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_16.htm
>All individual and all specific things have their births, development, and deaths. Every person must die, because he was born. Man must die, and Chang San [i.e., any Tom, Dick or Harry] being a man, Chang San must die. None can see Confucius who lived 2,000 years ago, because he had to die. Mankind is born, and therefore mankind must also die. The earth was born, and so the earth must also die. Nonetheless, when we say that mankind will die and the earth will die, it is different from what Christians say about the end of the world. When we talk about the death of mankind and the death of the earth, we mean that something more advanced than mankind will come to replace it, and this is a higher stage in the development of things. I saw that Marxism also has its birth, its development and its death. This may seem to be absurd. But since Marx said that all things which happen have their death, how can we say that this is not applicable to Marxism itself? To say that it won’t die is metaphysics. Naturally, the death of Marxism means that something higher than Marxism will come to replace it.https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-9/mswv9_28.htm
>One thing destroys another, things emerge, develop, and are destroyed, everywhere is like this. If things are not destroyed by others, then they destroy themselves. Why should people die? Does the aristocracy die too? This is a natural law. Forests live longer than human beings, yet even they last only a few thousand years. If there were no such thing as death, that would be unbearable. If we could still see Confucius alive today, the earth wouldn’t be able to hold so many people. I approve of Chuang-tzu’s approach. When his wife died, he banged on a basin and sang. When people die there should be parties to celebrate the victory of dialectics, to celebrate the destruction of the old. Socialism, too, will be eliminated, it wouldn’t do if it were not eliminated, for then there would be no communism. Communism will last for thousands and thousands of years. I don’t believe that there will be no qualitative changes under communism, that it will not be divided into stages by qualitative changes! I don’t believe it! Quantity changes into quality, and quality changes into quantity. I don’t believe that it can remain qualitatively exactly the same, unchanging for millions of years! This is unthinkable in the light of dialectics. Then there is the principle, ‘From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs’. Do you believe they can carry on for a million years with the same economics? Have you thought about it? If that were so, we wouldn’t need economists, or in any case we could get along with just one textbook, and dialectics would be dead.
>The life of dialectics is the continuous movement toward opposites. Mankind will also finally meet its doom. When the theologians talk about doomsday, they are pessimistic and terrify people. We say the end of mankind is something which will produce something more advanced than mankind. Mankind is still in its infancy. Engels spoke of moving from the realm of necessity to the realm of freedom, and said that freedom is the understanding of necessity. This sentence is not complete, it only says one half and leaves the rest unsaid. Does merely understanding it make you free? Freedom is the understanding of necessity and the transformation of necessity — one has some work to do too. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-9/mswv9_27.htm >>590780because he is a grifter who is afraid of struggle
>>1837246>>1837238the resistance forces in gaza, and the population of palestine, have consistently expressed support and gratitude for western solidarity protests. lets say youre right, and these protests somehow, in opposition to any materialism or historical analysis, vanish into thin air overnight with no impact whatsoever on the world at large outside of symbolic support these acts of internationalism gave to palestinians while they fight back against genocide. even in that unrealistically minimal scenario, how is that not still worthwhile?
>>59077790% likely a brainwormed troll, im guessing its someone who is actually seething about multipolarista posters & "third worldism" whose trying to muddy the water by LARPing as the least generous version of them. but still worth replying to it as if sincere for lurkers and delineation of our own ideas
>>590781>90% likely a brainwormed troll, im guessing its someone who is actually seething about multipolarista posters & "third worldism" whose trying to muddy the water by LARPing as the least generous version of them.I think there's a possibility that this person may be JIDF, probably just got back from yelling slurs while posing as protesters. The hasbara is failing so now they're getting out the false-flags. Regardless, these posts seem to have one objective - to demoralize and divide potential supporters. At the end of the day - regardless if they acknowledge it or not - by attacking the protesters, they are on Israel's side
de facto.
>>590788Most of these people aren’t hippies. They are mostly just normies, apolotical types and centrist libs who are upset that such atrocities are happening and are funded by their country.
t student
>>590792https://nitter.poast.org/LongTimeLefty/status/1784282897182036261#mZionist counter protestors chant "Kill the Jews".
fucked up the post 3 times smh
>>590802sorry, doesn’t work on me. Not trying to sound pretentious but it is what it is.
it is aggravation seeing the discourse from mfers who’s only interaction comes from other online leftists comrade
>>590805>MLs are not attending the protests because [retarded strawman]your mind is broken by /isg/
that thread should be deleted
>>590799This is kind of true, Americans are made because for their first time in their lives they realize just how genocidal the American Empire and its allies truly are.
>>590810That makes a lot of sense. It explains why Zionist E-celeb Laura Loomer is racist.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/04/laura-loomer-trump-racism-christchurch-islamophobia/>inb4 Laura Loomer is an irreverent lolcow that dosn't matterShe does matter because she is a mutual contact between Donald Trump and Nick Fuentes.
>>590812>What exactly pisses you off about the protests?nothing, i think it's a good thing they're happening
i'm not attending these protests because i don't live in america
>zionist donors with ties to russialol what?
retarded sectarian /isg/faggot, hang yourself
>>590818American
Forever
Wars
>>590806>seem realcostanza.jpeg
at this point any irl organisation has to avoid Stalin's mistake and keep an easily identifiable group from ANY position in an organisation.
I don't come to this conclusion unscientifically
>>590840No link = not real.
But kind of funny though.
>>590766Zio shills in full force.
>>590851I somehow think not even that. Just /pol/ or reddit trolls.
anyways, seems like the American protests are escalating more and more as well as abroad. It seems that whatever the US does, the rest of the West follows.
Meanwhile Germany is making it increasingly harder to protest. Cracking down harder and harder. It's hilarious how people still think they live in a "democratic" society.
>>590849was it /isg/ or /ukraine/ posters?
>>590840Fox News has somehow gone even more off the deep end than they already were. I fully expect them to be openly doing holocaust denial tier shit within the year. Reminder that Laura Ingraham is a nazi trying to make her daddy proud.
>>590799Did you skip BLM?
Although I don't care so much, I'd much rather have Americans protesting against the insanely oppressive and genocidal regime they're citizens of then about their own conditions. Not that they're mutually exclusive.
>>590857>>590853>>590856https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIfg8YekPUEfull speech, skip to 17:08 for the salute
it's how she ended the speech
>>590842>we dont support something…OH no, support whatever. Events like these are great for people to get radicalized even if it's just a stop-gap media-OP to contain anti-Zionism to the culture war experience. And despite the students having 0% chance to effect BDS on big university investments and having no power, and no political agenda… That doesn't mean that solidarity with them is without use, they are worthy martyrs in the spotlight to inspire others into action.
By all means support it, but do so IRL. The real threat, and the reason for this media op, is not me, calling it what it is. It's the people who would be contented that their grievances are being settled through the culture war. Go spread the solidarity, get your union/local government to make a statement in support, use the treatment of the students to justify anti-Zionism to fence sitters.
Think of this like a regime change operator. How can you use these protests and elicit a reaction that advances your agenda?
>>590798>>590792They got away with it.
Zionist counter protestors got 100 pro-Palestine protestors arrested by yelling "Kill the Jews".
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested >>590873nah bullshit
the arrests were gonna happen anyway, this is just a convenient excuse
>>590889I’m not talking about Euros but fellow burgeranons
t phoneposting protestor
>>590890Nothing. Sit down and wait for the urge to protest to pass.
Activism is an illness of the workers movement, do not get sick!
>>590894You're right, but marxists separate activism from the class struggle for a reason: that not
all protests are useful to communism by themselves, not that protesting is le bad.
>>590895WTF ARE YUO TALKING ABOUT? GO DO RECKLESS ADVENTURISM NOW! Fukcing opportunist revisionist lumpen…
GO throw yuor life away and become a footnote on a wikipedia article in the history! I WANT BLOOD! NOW!
>>590906Fuck off with your faggot complex
Objectively that’s the only youth demographic drifting towards fascism you spiritual rat
>>590881I don't think anyone who answers polls are worth even thinking about. What does it mean in practice, anyway? Some person saying "yeah bro I'm totes left/right" to a random phone call during working hours translates to what, exactly? I don't think the results can tell you much about the class struggle happening in real life. Not that every protest has to do with the class struggle (just look at BLM), but it can be if workers lead them in that direction.
Not to be too pedantic, but it is the proletariat struggling on its own terrain, not an "anti-war" "protest movement" which can stop a war - or ultimately of course end war all together.
>>590762yeah it should be pretty fucking obvious for anyone who's been paying attention over the last decade since OWS and BLM that there's been a general trend in the direction, slow as it may be, towards the youth in the US become more left wing that is resulting in things like widespread popular support for Palestine. we have to remember that this is happening in *the* imperial core. I remember in the 2000s when it was completely normalized for everyone to be casually racist towards Muslims and Arabs because of the "war on terror" and the idea that everyone who isn't a boomer living a comfortable middle class existence is not falling for the empire's propaganda about Israel and Hamas is kind of a big fucking deal.
the real impotency is how obviously out of touch the empire's propaganda is with what anyone believes. no one is falling for it except for the people who are bourgeois enough to live in complete political unconsciousness. they're resorting to explicit violence towards peaceful protesters and this is only going to continue to push everyone who is currently closer to the center further towards radicalization because they are seeing the empire demonstrate that it nothing but an illegitimate fascist police state that falls back on thuggery when the media's lies stop working.
this is also after there were nationwide riots only four years ago. things are trending in a very obvious direction and I don't care how much of a nihilist postie doomer you are, you're dumb and blind if you can't see this and probably also yourself some middle class kkkrakkker who has no stake in anything.
>>590921kinda cringe but probably a zionist plant lol
who even has a hamas bandana exactly???
>>590762>>590920>you are terrible marxistsAlthough I haven't seen the multiple deleted posts you're replying to (an unsurprising phenomenon here lately) you are the ones speaking in terms of "left-wing" trends" (absolutely meaningless) or believing movements based in anti-racism or anti-war are anything but stillborn for the working class because anti-racism or anti-war cannot be the basis for a revolutionary movement. Thinking one more liberal protest means "higher chances of communism next time" makes no sense when they never are fought on a proletarian terrain. And don't get me started on all the organizations trying to co-opt and reign in all the chaos and sterilize the movement even more.
Not any action outside of electoralism has to mean anything for revolutionaries for similar reasons - only the activity of the working class and its political organizations (doesn't include almost all parties) is important.
>probably also yourself some middle class kkkrakkker who has no stake in anythingThat's a very ironic thing to say when these protests are mostly comprised of middle-classers with zero revolutionary potential and because of it can only resort to nationalism. The Sakai bullshit is just the cherry on top of your liberal conception of communism.
>>590930>muh lifestyle signifiersDo you fucking want the numbers to make this shit into something bigger or do you want to jerk off on an imageboard about how everyone is counterrevolutionary except you?
Fuck off, contrarian.
>>590931why are you getting mad at me and not the article im making fun of
i do hate small businesses though
>>590715>source?The source is the post you replied to. I just told you that is my experience. My org comrades (students and staff) give weekly updates about the rallies they've organised, and like I said, I can see they're front and centre on campus actions. I attend the meetings of groups organising actions and in some cases the majority are members of my org, because we founded the group.
Seriously, what kind of answer were you expecting?
>>590848Don't be a bootlicker. The coppers are bastards.
>>590846This.
Keyboard warriors should be ostracised. Anyone normalizing the myth that leftypol users don't do things IRL needs to fuck off to /pol/. And I say myth, because I've talked to people on this site about the org work they do, and our organization discussion thread hit bump limit. Whoever is projecting their bitch ass onto the board should be banned for rule 14b.
He who does no praxis, neither shall he shitpost.
>>590890>What can protesters outside of America and Israel even do short of a communist revolution?Look at supply chains. You'd be surprised which countries exclusively manufacture critical components of jets and tanks, how many countries have regular trade with Israel. In a global world, your country matters more than you think!
picrel - britbongs wrote off a drone factory owned by Elbit Systems.
>>590914<n-n-no. You can't occupy space.. that would be like le chaz… I already told u chaz is bad….. fellow comrades..Shut the fuck up and go the fuck to /pol/.
Worthless do nothing faggot.
>>590968He didn't turn Hegel on his head.
He turned Hegel from his head on his feet. You imbecile, you mongoloid.
>>590963< Accelerationism< The FBI will arrest everybody who does anything against the regime. Don't even try< Any labor victory is just reformism. Why care if all politicians are bourgeoisie? Anyway, vote for trump, MAGA is the real labor movement < Don't worry, the third world will save us. Let the latinos die in the jungle, they are our only hope.< The contradictions will show themselves in no time. < The crises is still not big yet, those imperialist wars are nothingburguers, the west still has supremacy over the world< Don't protest with the liberal woke mob, they are petit bourgeoisie.< College students are bourgeoisie, just like baristas.< We should be against China and Russia and Hamas, they are the real fascists, don't believe in woke propaganda.< Actually, read more, everything i say is based on Marx himself, don't be stupid.< "Communism is not a state of affairs to be established", therefore is not the job of the working class to establish communism, it will appear by magic and utopia. I am very smart, this is the correct interpretation of Marx words.< Reddit spacing, radlib detected, glowie go back to pol, i refuse to elaborate further.< This leftypol is bad, is infested with radlibs and not true marxists like me.Another day, another win
Pro-Isnotreal counter protestors at UCLA
Flag contains the Jewish Defense League logo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League>>590990First video
Is this the brazilian flag?
>>590990First and last are pro-Palestinian
Speaker in third video is ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt
>>590993Picture of Trump with Epstein ripped up by the pro-Isnotreal people
Thread where I got all of this from:
https://twitter.com/hungryghosts161/status/1784639462829601204 >>590995*others
my bad, lol
>>590994https://twitter.com/hungryghosts161/status/1784649313290760275
>dude wearing 'bring them home NOW' shirt>at pro zionist protestlol
though I just realised that shirt probably refers to the hostages not US troops. dunno how he thinking bombing gaza is gonna bring them home alive but ok
>>590974Not the point you goddamn tryhard torkiddie.
Do you want the necessary numbers to have meaningful leverage to pressure people into doing something about a fucking genocide, or do you want to jerk off to yourself about how they're liberal or you're not? Do you want to
GET SHIT DONE or do you want to fucking masturbate on a goddamn imageboard about how nobody except you is Le True Radical?
in the imperial core an outsized chunk of the boots hitting the pavement are gonna be libs and progressive kids. Until shit changes, that's how it is. Nut up, deal with it, shut the fuck up and stop wasting our time with your mewling. You're not obligated to like your allies, and history isn't obligated to give you allies you like. Grow up.
>>591008glowposters who use TWist rhetoric to justify their own laziness and impotence are honestly just sad and pathetic
"muh student radlibs" well ya know what they're doing something instead of pegging yourself on a goddamn imageboard over how you're more "radical" in word than everyone else and therefore it's a waste of time for you to do anything.
Swear to fuck these people are either hasbara or those illiterate dumb kids you see counted in polls
>>1838533What kind of cringe hasbara shilling faggotry is this?
>WE HAVE BILLIONS ON OUR SIDELike the other anon said, this shit is more of a cringe LARP than CHAZ, Third Worldists and their noble savage “All the brownoids die for ME” delusions man
>Hate to break it to you but sand nig— uh, i mean the Palestinians were always doomed, stop trying to get in the way of them trying to be genocided with dignity!Nothing separates you from a hasbara op tactically
>>591006>Hehe, I may not be part of the brown guerrilla forces I allege exist and will die so I can have communism, but I AM part of a microsect that once went to a discussion form with some members of those other parties 😌How thrilling
>>591013The most insane part to me, what really makes these fuckers inseparable from glowops, is that if you actually look, communist parties around the world, and the Palestinian resistance in the West Bank and Gaza itself, show support to these student protests and uprisings
Foreign communist parties literally say Americans need to do shit like what the students are doing right now and take it even further
The only people opposing the protests are literally cringe LARPers, it’s not an accident that this anon has repeatedly saying protesting and fighting for the Palestinians is pointless because their annihilation is a foregone conclusion
>>591014They're alienated shitty dudes from imperial-core suburbs who just hate their parents and neighbors. They're the communist equivalent of a suburban punk kid who calls themselves some kind of lifestyle anarchist but settles into an office job at 22
>Foreign communist parties literally say Americans need to do shit like what the students are doing right now and take it even furtherBingo. And what do these wannabe-first-world-TWists say? They say nothing's ever good enough for them. They're shitty idealists of the worst sort, rejecting anything that isn't being done by the Perfect Fetishized Victim living in their head, refusing to work with the tools at their disposal so they can jerk off. They're not communists, they're just shitty naive misanthropes using TWist rhetoric to justify it.
>>591018I adore how you hunt around for paragraphs to say you didn't read them. NTA, and I disagree with the angle of attack the bitching in this thread is coming at student protestors on.
>>72638374859595 five billion naysayers with bad argumentsA few things:
- many of these people are a symptom of how unpalatable the situation is even for liberal Zionists who condemn Hamas
- this is a symptom of the situation higher education is in across the imperial core, it's not just the students having an identity crisis, these institutions are struggling to give a fuck about anything other than donors and real estate, education and students are a distant afterthought. even if these protests "fail" the student protest movement itself is an extension of the battle taking place across higher education. if I were in the social sciences (LOL) I would get the fuck out of imperial academia instead of waiting to slit my wrists!
- Cold War protest tactics are cargo cult bullshit, Occupy/BLM/Arab Spring anticipates an external color revolution/Maidan that never comes, the people are again gathering around a wishing well.
- none of these actions can just be dismissed out of hand because "the students are reactionary" criticism must be direct and precise
>>591022>Hehe I see you didn’t take the time to pick apart my contrarian armchair suburbanite faggotry point by point!Wreckers like you aren’t worth the time or the effort
NTA
>>591027>but how the hell is rich kids setting up hippie communes supposed to save them? The protestors are forcing the police to crackdown which will lead to larger protests whihc involve people from different economic backgrounds. Also a lot of students in American colleges
more so in state schools, which also have protests work part time while at school and will be prols when they graduate.
>>591032what do the Palestinians say about the protests?
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they support them case closed
>>591027>If your solutions don't magically end the genocide right now immediately than I am justified in sitting on my ass doing nothing and talking shit about people trying to do somethingkys coward
<something something western left carticatureYOU are exactly why the western left sucks.
>>591032"Tankies" support the protest you contrarian retard
You're just a lazy asshole looking for an excuse to not do anything.
>>591032>it’s all performance artevery protest in the west has an element of this, it doesn't negate any value. almost any protest is better than no protest, especially when it comes to Palestine
>But I guess that’s worth it if you can feel morally superior to those heckin tankies right?who's been saying this? they are wrong ofc lol
>>591058he watched Jason Unrue and Haz and
CLEARLY the reason no girl will touch him is because he didn't get enough
EPIC TRIGGERER points from
THE INTERNET >>591065cops can break dat shit ez
they have the finest child beating techniques learned from the IDF
>spare the rod and spoil the childface it letfypollers there is no defeating the American police state
cop has big muscles (300lb bench bress and cgrissmas ham biceps :D :D :df :D d) and many other cops who are same, they have drones, body armor like Fallout, guns, state power
students protesters:
- trash shield from the Hon Depot (Israeli donor, Bernie Marcus (founder of Hom Depot) funds Israeli police collaboration))
-skinny wrists (lifted like antennas to heaven)
-blue hair
cops:
- go home and kill someone and have the best sex of their life
students protestors:
- no sex
only thing student protestors have is bravery but the boys in bloo have that too
>>591068<-skinny wrists (lifted like antennas to heaven)Kek. Gonna go listen to that. Been time.
cops:
<- go home and kill someone and have the best sex of their life (non-consensual)FTFY
>>591074Kids, this is bait
Do not respond to bait
Do not debait bait
Do not reply to bait except with a snappy oneliner
>>591075>Allahspeed You! uyghur Emperorgod tier band, if you can see them live highly recommend
they played Bosses Hang with this cool ass montage of depressed looking suits and stock market type shit and then I bought an IWW song book off the anarchist tablers
>>591081There are actually many good reasons.
Firstable, the Wolves of Vinland and other such pro Hyperborean Hellenistic milk drinking bodybuilding cults exist, and that means statistically (not including the population of obese /pol/tards) most committed fascists are either yoked to the gills criminals or yoked to the gills data scientists who beat their wives.
The leftist is just the proxy wive. They will give you a heaping helping of what they dish out to their own family: Victor Jara's broken little fingers.
"Cutting off the fascist genital" implies that you have the capacity to execute such violent acts, and fascists are much, much better at this than leftists and are in virtually all cases much more well equipped and empowered to do so. The only time this wasn't the case was when the Soviet Union was around, and despite being experienced at bullying fascists into suicide where still bullied into national suicide by the United States.
Think of the Soviet Union as a 5'9 bodybuilder from a humble family who trains BJJ and boxing and has a few titles in each. Think of the USA as the 6'4 jock with a big cock, tons of wealthy connections through family and friends and while not a martial artist, has spent inordinate amounts of time beating the shit out of people and finding ways to beat up people he couldn't beat in a fair fight before then personally putting their head in a toilet and then getting their rich dad to sue you for the emotional damages beating you up incurred.
Basically, the world is an unfair place. Fascists are on top because they are excellent, excellent bullies. The only solution is revolutionary bullying, but leftism is anti bullying by nature.
>>591107>paid for by george soroslmao
da joos are scheming against da joos, peak rightoid retardation
>>591111They also project their own soy as well.
They operate on a cringe-base dialectic enforced by a clout protection racket scheme. Ironically this means that most actual dysgenetic sorts typically tend to be right-wing.
>>591096totally organic anonymous group who can afford to rent a huge screen for days on end
>>591107there's barely any labels. ben is losing his touch
>>591122 (me)
Also we already have a burger example of radlib antifa vs local fascists from Portland in 2020, fashoids were run out of the city by limp wristed antifa who used superior tactics and gear and discipline.
>>591074mlk got whitewashed by liberals, he wasnt the hippie youre making him out to be, especially by the time feds decided to murder him
gandhi is a piece of shit but his awful views also got brushed aside by libs
>>591076too late
>>590825graphic is super misleading. Harvard has a total endowment of 50 billion, some of that is probably invested in actual defense contractors manufacturing weapons for Israel and part in tech companies that probably have contracts with Israel intelligence (all of them basically).
the entire premise of divestment seems kinda impotent and liberal but its a clear goal that has been achieved elsewhere so that's nice ig.
>>590756>A hundred thousand times more impotent because they have zero capacity for violence Whether it's violent or not is not what defines a movement as impotent or not, at least from a marxist point of view. Even then, the protests have had plenty of "violence", at least according to hysterical news outlets.
I still don't hold the current protests in high regard because so far it's only been disorganized smashies and liberal sloganeering but I'd wait until things are over to make a proper judgement.
>>591164meds, immediately
> newfagim from 8ch days retard
>>591178Except its the uni leaders pushing for evictions not the cops.
And that them having guns has no bearing on clearing out a NVDA encampment.
>>591167>trying to push for actually anti-semitic pol conspiracieonly if you buy into zionist = jew dogwhistle. If you take into account that the majority of zionists are christians, then its actually true:
>WASHINGTON, Oct 21 (Reuters) - When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: "I don't believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist."the fact is 99.9% of elected US politicians are Zionists.
>>591167>trying to push for actually anti-semitic pol conspiracieonly if you buy into zionist = jew dogwhistle. If you take into account that the majority of zionists are christians, then its actually true:
>WASHINGTON, Oct 21 (Reuters) - When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: "I don't believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist."the fact is 99.9% of elected US politicians are Zionists.
>>591171>zog is obviously bullshit, but saying israel is just a puppet in the hands of washington isn't accurate eitherI think it's better to think of it as a two-way relationship or interaction. I can't say Israel has acted in a "restrained" manner, like at all, but I think it's possible the U.S. did pull Israel back from simultaneously invading Lebanon at least up to the Litani River and launching an all-out assault… before Hezbollah even started skirmishing along the border. The Israelis actually did this in '67 against Egypt but the U.S. didn't have as much of a relationship at the time.
There was talk in the Israeli press that the war cabinet was seriously considering it and some of the generals were pushing for it, and I think that's one reason why Biden sent the carriers, not to aim them *at* Israel, but as a backstop so they wouldn't go completely crazy, just 90% crazy. Or 100% crazy and not 110% crazy. But they went out of their minds and mobilized half a million soldiers. A fraction of them actually went into Gaza.
>>591190>This will probably have fizzled within a week, but it's interesting that burgers can create the occasional flashpoint.I think telling Americans they can't do something will make them want to do it more. It's the "can do" attitude and its opposite, "you can't tell me what to do." The moment the universities were telling students they can't do the protest, it just blows up into a thing. It's like telling MAGA people they can't own a gun. Like hell I can't!
>>591197PSL, has Claudia de la Cruz running for POTUS, and Karina Garcia for VP.
All the best anon, hope you vote for PSL.
>>591199Source:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/07/claudia-de-la-cruz-interview-socialist-candidate-2024"It’s 20 January 2025, the day of the presidential inauguration. After taking the oath of office the new president, a 44-year-old woman, born in the Bronx to Dominican parents, takes her seat in the office and gets to work."
"In one of the first acts of Claudia de la Cruz’s presidency, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk watch on as the government seizes control of Amazon and Tesla, along with all of the top 100 corporations in the US."
"And that’s just the start. De la Cruz, America’s first socialist president, goes on to abolish the Senate and the supreme court – there isn’t a specific plan as to how – as well as disbanding the FBI and the CIA and reining in the military."
>>591208Nah.
Tldr it for us, itgfag.
>>591211thats fucked up
>>591212people who are camping overnight have food supplies that the mice will eat and ruin
>>591216videos are for zoomers who can't read
why not read the article?
https://sublationmedia.com/the-left-cannot-make-use-of-the-gaza-war/(you'll get something different to the people discussing it, obviously, but they didn't put subtitles which means you can't just click "view captions" and then
read the thing in 5 minutes rather than watching for 55, but hey, that's their loss.)
>>591220"The nation-state system is a contingent feature of a particular historical moment in capitalism. Increasingly, nation-states are unable to solve irreducibly global problems. They cannot manage flows of capital and people."
Is the author stupid, does not capitalist nation-states, and even socialist nation-states, have policies, and either allowing or limiting policies on volume of immigration, and volume of trade, what abstract theory has gone into his brain?
Whats going on with the Columbia building occupation anons?
Will other uni's follow this escalation?
>>591224<I just read italso.
>I think his premises are BSalso. Delibwrately vague and ambiguous wording to, I think, reach conclusions he wanted to.
In a word; Slippery
>>591203Either with plans or without, if she wins the establishment will fuck her with a parlamentary coup or a military coup in the first 3 days of presidency
It is another question if a mutiny on the size of kornilov affair starts the american red october.
is there a livestream?
I've been listening to this radio station for updates, but surely there's someone w/ a phone there.
http://radio.garden/listen/wkcr/AXmup6yM>>591204She's breaking the glass so she chain the door shut.
>>591236>>591239There's a video of a girl on the ground and pro-Israel people around her trying to help her up, but I didn't see any keffiyeh-wearing thugs beat her up. There's just text over the video that just, like, *says* that happened. Well, okay. But she could've just tripped and hit her head.
>>591257There's no point to acknowledging any of Spencer's posts, bait or otherwise.
That said, the US right cannot ideologically clash with local policemen. It would shatter their cohesion and resolve. The most radical segment could resist "federal" police, and in the increasingly less recent past have.
>>591253Last time they were more useful as online informers and NAFO psyop irregulars.
>>591257Absolutely luminescent
>>591273>>591272==Divided and conquered
Gripped by fear
Wishful thinking that it can't happen here
It's well underway but nobody knows
A repeat of history
That's how it goes==
>>591282>Fahrenheit 451 is about how bad TV is.Artists can pretend anything they want, especially to avoid potential lawsuits and censure.
But the work stands alone.
>>591280or they could annihilate everyone since they count with one of the most massive, better trained armies against insurgencies, and the rioters are escalating more and more…
if the universitary petite bourgeois doesnt link its struggles with the working class theyre toast. that already happened here during the 70s and uhhhhhh its not pretty
>>5912903.mp4
That shit can easily inflict lifelong tinnitus and other hearing damage. If protestors were throwing firecrackers at cops they'd probably get locked up for life
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