OH NO NO NO"‘Bunkerchan’ Is Trying to Deradicalize Online Nazis"https://outline.com/a4D8e4https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/05/01/bunkerchan-deradicalize-online-nazis-4chan-8chan/(fucking paywalled so just use the Outline link)
WOW! I'm glad those Bunkerchan people are around to put a bullet in anything radical! Oh wait, not anymore.
transhumanismTranshumanism >>9131Oh.. well that’s cool.. but still, the fact dollars even is presented as the voice of the community makes me
so fucking angry and this journalist must be some kind of hack who did fuck all research to write this article and this is what they write. We deserve so much more
>>9129Yeah when you click on the old link, it just goes here now. In fact, there were two links, one ending in .net and one in .xyz and both work as redirects.
>>9131"Taken over". It's really mostly the same mods and users.
>>9136It's always a bit cringe to be the voice of an online community I guess, but I don't think d011ars has less claim to that than you. He isn't a mod anymore, but he can still post here of course.
>>9161The communist movement in America is so fucking pathetic that the capitalist class views us as significantly less of a threat than fascism.
Yes, that's embarrassing and we should be ashamed of ourselves.
4th_international4th International >>91611. Lib journos have a neurotic obsession with "QAnon" and "deradicalizing Nazis"
(which can apparently be done with revolutionary Marxism and insurrecitonary anarchism)2. Hotwheels gives them interviews about Q
3. Hotwheels sided with Space/d011ars (Bunkerchan staff)
4. Hotwheels hooked d011ars up with an interview
transhumanismTranshumanism >>9150Holy fuck this thread is tragic
Literally nobody in it is having a good time laughing at the situation and finding out the story, they're just ranting about the imaginary /leftypol/ that lives in their heads.
They're not even doing something like "haha stupid commies think we'll all work together but they're infighting" kind of thing where it's bent to fit an ideological worldview, but they're still laughing at the actual event. no, they're totally missing it, and they don't even know that they're missing out on a good story.
>>9181Exactly. Dollars has fucked us over.
>>9183Fuck off
>>9182God that image is so depressing. I think of how much time I've wasted on places like /r9k/ and how it prevented me from maturing into a functional human being.
/leftypol/ is different, right It feels different but I can't tell if I'm just deluding myself
4th_international4th International >>9150Preceding reply:
>They've been here for years and made absolutely zero impactI love the shitposters stirring the schizo pot constantly. The whole board still has an element of trolls trolling trolls to it, but now the masses there are credulous retards getting taken for a ride by a handful of people giving them schizophrenia, including some true believers who are too stupid to realize that's probably how they got dragged in.
>>9201if d011ars put the best interest of leftypol first he would've folded before January was out.
his "good faith" actions included massive censorship of discussion of the split, right up until he could leverage his position as captain of the RMS Titanic to try and negotiate for a post on the bridge of our MS Taras Shevchenko
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9220Thank you comrade, I appreciate it
>>9222What were people supposed to do? They had a major ideological disagreement that should have been tolerated, BO refused to budge, so they left.
I personally didn't care very much abut the issue, so I used both boards, but I understand why they left.
4th_international4th International >>9212On top of that, I tried to provide an outlet for both sets of posters to come together, and he even agreeed it was a good idea, but then his mod team repeatedly deleted the thread.
He’s a bastard, the fact he let this article be the way it is also means he’s stupid.
He’s a stupid fucking bastard.
>>9222They left because the most autistic poster on the whole board was allowed to channel discourse. Old BO is the worst poster to have ever posted on these boards. Followed by dollars
>>9223The purges didn't kill the board, that's my point, activity didn't drop significantly until /leftpol/ was made.
>>9224I just think people who helped kill the board now use BO as scapegoat. Space proved to be worse than Old BO in the end.
>>9229>activity didn't drop significantly until /leftpol/ was made.cause everyone that was banned was oldfags and knew how to ban evade lmao
they moved to a new board because it was tiring to wage a constant war against the janny diktat
>>9229Leftpol was created because of the purges holy shit
>oldBO cucks can’t into dialectics Not at all shocked really.
>>9243clap your hands, cause an avalanche.
(pretend this is a mao-era slogan)
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9252Beyond based
>>205606Sad! Hopefully they fall hard and realise how fragile their existence is
slavojSlavoj >>205624There's a thead on /leftcel/ which was where Bexgia advertised before the May Day involuntary incident.
They seem to think that mods of this site are racist hardline MLs from Something Awful
Here's the link
https://9chan.tw/leftcel/thread/378 (scroll down to the bottom for their reaction)
>>9272lmao and by Foreign Policy standards this is a fairly left wing article because it at least acknowledges that imperialism exists in Latin America and that it is, indeed, a bad thing.
What a fucking rag, we couldn't have gotten published somewhere better?
4th_international4th International >>205624We are here in this thread. Boogaboogabooga!
>>9277There are classics such as Hontrapoints and Contrabenis, but I think a good filter name would refer to the lame politics of that person – which means you have to watch Contrapoints to come up with a good fit, and who wants to do that.
>>9275We are 8th right now, not too bad to bug out some neolib boomer that comes here
>>9277COINTELpoints
>>9288having "leftypol" appear when you google "leftypol" is not unhelpful.
(you can go back and forth on whether it should be the #1 result or not, it's helpful to have a /pol/ mong catcher, but literally not being on the page is dismal.)
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9300this is not what happens
just read in any of these "how did you come to leftypol" threads, the story of every /pol/ack is that they keep carrying on with their "spooks" as you call them and just shit up the place and you faggots embracing them because you have no spine
you can cry and bitch about this being wrong but it's the case with 100 % of these faggots and you always jump in front of them and will cry about how "reactionary socialism is actually real socialism, radlib SJW REEEE"
go fuck yourself, /pol/ cocksock
>>9313been posting since 2015 and i don't remember, was it asserist or something? what does that have to do with anything, cunt? look at these threads, it's always the same shit with you fags
wouldn't even give a fuck if i was a newfag, i would actually feel lucky not to have been part of this shithole with dumb fags like you around
how does that disprove the fact that you are too fucking retarded to convert your own fucking mom to even say "yes, you are such a grown up big boy now, have your tendies"
>>9318>My body is ready.You do not know what you're talking about westoid
YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY HANDLE THE WEIGHT OF YOUR NATION BY YOURSELF
>>9320It's Foreign Policy, dude. I'm sure they
wish they were Foreign Affairs.
tankieTankie >>9322Are you actually trying to de-radicalize me, a nazi, about the Lügenpresse?
That's cute.
naziNazi >>9325What do you even know about my beliefs?
The USSR is not that bad, especially when it invaded Poland alongside the Nazis. That was heckin based and they must have had a blast. Things turned sour a bit after that.
>>9326I already support North Korea and Pol Pot.
naziNazi >>9318National Socialism pretends to be a “third way” between communism and capitalism, but, prior to WWII (and even well into it, in some cases) it actually had major backing from international companies, including, but not limited to, Ford, IBM, Coca Cola, Chase, Standard Oil, and Nestle. Additionally, the Nazis privatized large swaths of state industry and the English word “privatization’, in fact, originated directly from the Nazis’ economic policies.
4th_international4th International >>9332They're different.
Castro is semi-based. At the end of the day he was just interested in being the king of Cuba, though, more than a real revolutionary.
Chavez was a legit retard who bankrupted his nation. It's one thing to give TVs and fridges to poor people, but it was completely retarded to destroy his fucking oil industry, the country's main source of income.
>>9334>>9334>>corporations like Amazon today plan centrallyIt does not. It's a marketplace full of third-party vendors and logistics providers.
Same as their cloud shit, which is priced on-demand.
It's pure capitalism.
>>9334>>Soviets planned centrally>defeated Nazi GermanyBy throwing Russian bodies and American equipment at the problem. Hardly an efficient use of resources.
>>9327>What do you even know about my beliefs?Safe guess.
>The USSR is not that bad, especially when it invaded Poland alongside the Nazis. That was heckin based and they must have had a blast. Things turned sour a bit after that.The were sour before that anon. The only reason the USSR accepted the pact in the first place was because no western power at the time wanted to assist in preventing Germany in its expansion in the time before Poland was invaded, so the USSR decided that it may as well take back from Poland the land it took from the Belorussians and also hold the oil fields in Poland that Germany wanted for itself. After the pact, the west freaked out because it was expecting Germany to fight the USSR and thus solve the issue of both of them, which made it so they had to be the ones to actually intervene regarding Britain's agreement with Poland that dealt primarily with German expansion (which had previously been ignored until the pact had become a thing).
>North Korea North Korea anti-racialist.
>>9329>The only issue I have with commies is that central planning doesn't work.But it does. Hell, corporations practically centrally plan themselves now.
>>9336>It does not. It's a marketplace full of third-party vendors and logistics providers. Same as their cloud shit, which is priced on-demand. It's pure capitalism.That's still central planning. Its capitalist central planning, but its central planning.
>By throwing Russian bodies and American equipment at the problem. Hardly an efficient use of resources.<Repeating the reddit meme view of WW2 Anon, you should know better then now then to repeat the "muh red hordes, muh human waves" myth.
>>9335And pol pot invaded our comrades in Vietnam
I figured the common factor between your favorite gommies would be how detrimental they are to gommunism as a whole
>>9329This is the result of the ebin invisible hand
Now cope
>>9329Centrally planned organizations and countries has worked out better than laissez-faire ones.
>>206233Everything is free except when you don't like it huh?
>>9339To add to this, the vast majority of the major battles carried out by the Axis during their offensive were done with a numerical advantage against the Soviets, which they only lost during the counter offensive. This is also with the Germans (not even counting any of the other Axis) having a larger labour population at both the beginning and the end of the war, and the Soviets losing theirs over the war to an extreme degree (total labour at the beginning in 1941 is 11,000,000 German workers vs 16,400,000 Soviet Workers, and in 1944 its 18,000,000 vs 9,000,000), while also having to pick up production and move it all the way to the Urals and Siberia.
>>9315OK I now believe you have been online all your life and are a self-hating tendies enthusiast. Reactionary socialism isn't a thing that actually exists out there in real-world burgerland or yurop.
>>9336Capitalism isn't when there are prices and quantities reacting to demand. If all companies were state-owned, would you call that capitalism? And yet it's possible for production facilities owned by the public to react to consumer demand.
>>9366Halfchan /pol/ flaseflags itself more often then any other board I know, either on halfchan or an altchan. I think at some point users just do it to keep the pph up, you can see it with "made for bbc" spam which get shit tons of replies by easily baited
even more then here surprisingly retards.
>>9345I like that nobody, including the Nazi, pointed out that this is obviously fake lmao
/pol/tards really will believe ANYTHING if you put it in the form of an infographic
4th_international4th International >>9148Nice, always appreciate a dose of historical disinformation in my mainstream image board coverage. We didn't leave 8ch because a bloo bloo the mean old righties drove us out, we left because the site
fucking died.
>>9122Hey guys, new here (he/him)
just wanted to know how we can get these transphobic and racist Trumpkins to see how great and epic Biden and Kamala are, especially after the great insurrection earlier this year
what sorts of secret strategies did you guys have planned? I was thinking we could try to show them to see how cool the queer community really is, like some cool memes you know? I saw one earlier with Trump with an Ushanka and thought it could really work, what do you guys think :)
>>9390what do you have to gain here?
all there is for you is getting laughed at and then putting it in a screencap and crying about it with your /pol/ack friends.
You have coped before and you shall cope again.
gorroGorro >>9392funny enough, exactly what i said is happening happens right here again >>206512
not challening on anything, just opening arms to the nazi to "own the libs"
not only are you retarded, you don't even own up to it
/pol/acks that got their spine removed
>>9390Kill yourself
>>206523>should have the ability to start business and do their own thing if they want but have it be watched by the government so they dont hurt the worker Businesses and capitalists in general are unnecessary in their existence and their very perpetuation necessitates the exploitation of the worker. They "hurt" the worker by operating as a capitalist.
>>9406You stimulate innovation by stimulating innovation.
Give this man a Nobel prize.
>>9393Come on m8, you know why I'm here
you're the libs' darling of the hour, how fucking embarrassing for you
>>206391>>206392>>206396>>206397>>206409>Justin Ling is a mod herewhat the fuck are you talking about
>>9365The rest of 4chan, the big brained centrists, would just say it's the same as Nazi Holocaust denial.
>>206709>feels over realsevery time
>>9441>nazi concerns about sexual degen are projectionalso every time
>>9449No, I don't think a single regular user liked the idea of an article written about our communities in a glowing magazine. I don't know what the fuck the mods were thinking.
>>206720>using anecdote as "evidence" againretard, are you aware that everyone has had a different experience from yours? I'm the opposite, almost no one I know has expressed disgust at trans people, instead showing concern about their health and solidarity. And yes I know at least one trans person. Now use actual fucking evidence to back up your claims and justify your fee-fees that trans people don't deserve the same rights as everyone else.
>>9433>>9442going prety gud, my life is improving immensely since resigning and I'm slowly working on a new project that may resolve the problems I had with /leftypol/ (as well as the other gatherings of communists such as on twitter).
fuck Dollars.
>>9475>>9478I don't really want it to be associated with my history as leftypol BO since there's not a great reason to maintain a persistent identity and plenty of reasons not to.
In several respects other people have already made attempts at it but their success has been pretty low imo. It's unlikely my approach would be much more successful. I would make some minor changes to the existing approach, try to contribute a lot of OC, and try to organically form a "party line" in the organization from a mix of my own views and those that any contributors hold. This would be contrary to the existing approaches. A key feature is that it should be extremely easy to split and merge, to handle ideological differences. But should also place heavy emphasis on citations and evidence to avoid the kind of "ephemeral" churn you get here where debates are endlessly revived even though they should be dead and buried according to the evidence.
>>9492I'm European.
From a bit of spit they could tell where I'm from with a few hundred km's of accuracy.
Make of that what you want.
>>9495Race doesn't exist when it's about debating race realism.
But it does exist when it's about whitey paying for stuff.
Funny, isn't it.
>>9498Lol what do you mean they can't.
They did. And I took the test 10 years ago, it's getting more accurate now.
>>206834a good number of arabs (esp levantines who made up a good % of refugees) persians and turks are not very distinguishable from certain europeans.
>>206846fair enough we have the same in mind for people like you.
>>9497Reparations aren't a good idea for this exact reason.
>>9502Are you just denying it?
We can figure out shit about dead people that have been kept in ice 40,000 years, why are you surprised that modern DNA can figure out where someone is from?
>>9508Populations were relatively stable until the mid 20th century, before capitalists decided to move everyone around like cattle.
So indeed my ancestors were from the same place in Europe for generations and generations. Same thing about most populations, really.
Do you think maoris travelled to fucking Switzerland and Colombia?
>>9517A historical/social relation, because the US actually still believes 'one drop' = Black
Next
accelerationAcceleration >>9515Kek
If that's true then I'm sorry for coming here to be de-radicalized.
But in some sense you get to experience what a commune without property rights is.
>>9489Hope it works out. Well whatever you do, remember to take a chill pill when people disagree with you.
t. mod.
>>206846>I don't want to change your mind because I don't care what you thinkWe're showing you evidence and sources and after claiming that your logic is superior (despite not having concrete proof) you refuse to back it up. You're a cowardly hypocrite lmao
>if people like me get our way we will enforce our worldview onto you with extreme violence. simple asAnd you think that's shocking or scary? Into the pit you'll go.
>>206826>well define cat, cats dont actually exist the concept of "cats" is a social construct. its just retarded lolFirst off, watch these
>>9471 unless you're afraid of knowing that you're wrong.
Second, domestic cats (Felis catus) are a "sub-species" of the African wildcat (Felis lybica), but sometimes they're considered different species. Meanwhile, the African wildcat used to be considered a subspecies of the European wildcat (Felis silvestris). The Chinese mountain cat (Felis bieti) is also sometimes considered a subspecies of the European wildcat. Do the very small differences even matter that much? Despite these disagreements, scientists agree that they're all "cats", just like any person of any "race" is a "human". Taxonomy isn't perfect when it comes to classifying species, contrary to what you might think.
The point is that if the lines between animal "species" and "subspecies" are so blurry and sometimes even arbitrary, why would human "races" be this clear-cut concept that you're so adamant exists, and why should humanity fight to preserve it? Just because? And if you're gonna say that white people are the only ones capable of developing and maintaining a civilization or a working society, just lemme tell you beforehand that your own existence proves you wrong.
>>206841Yes, sex is real while gender is arbitrary. So why should we enforce it a certain way like you implied here >>206697 ? lmao you're fucking retarded.
read_a_fucking_bookRead a Fucking Book >>9288>>92891) Set the alt text for every image to "leftypol the communist imageboard"
2) Go to the top of google
3) SEO achieved
>>9548that kind of shitposting can be found on
>>>/b/ except for BLM stuff
>>9553noone gives a fuck, you're irrelevant. take off your trip, you're not a celebrity. you destroyed /leftypol/ in its heyday because, by your oen fucking admission, you started reading leftist theory and like a fucking child identified with hard-line MLism and then went around banning and purging everyone who didn't pray to Stalin or didn't think Iran was the vanguard of international revolution.
go fuck yourself you retarded American. you're not gonna survive the next few decades.
>>9563you missed the point, anti-idpol means reactionary idpol and screeching "woke radlib" when being called out like the faggot you respond to does
this is what leftypol has become and what the mods want it to be
>>9566it developed out of /pol/acks being completely captured by /pol/ framing and not wanting to be the bogeyman of a SJW and bending back over backwards to appease the /pol/ack, both inside themselves and those who stayed back on /pol/
nothing else behind it
>>9566riddle me this: will the mods ever say "trans comrades are comrades" and put it anywhere in a sticky that explains the basics of this sites deal?
no, because they want to appeal to /pol/acks and are scared shitless of looking bad to them
i can't imagine you are dumb enough not to know this to be true
>>9573yes, look at all these threads who go on about how transhumanists must lead their own revolution first and that class is bad
this constantly happens
however nobody ever covered "muh transhumanist bad" under the guise of "anti idpol"
who are you trying to be kidding there? only yourself
>>9575see what
>>9563says
he pretends that this is the standard take here, not me
i fully acknowledge that you are a bunch of screeching anti lgbt faggot larpers
>>9574>yes, look at all these threads who go on about how transhumanists must lead their own revolution first and that class is bad>this constantly happensYou mean like how every single leftist place was when leftypol was created, bucking the trend? Yeah I did look at all that.
Go back to chapo.chat, that sites a ringing endorsement of your identity autism.
>>9576see
>>9575this screencap is nothing but cope that you can and will hide away and not have any consequences for the board for
you know you are just too hungry for that reactionary dick to suck off and appease
>>9584you suck /pol/ cock
simple enough now, retard?
>>9576The material cause is important, but its not the full picture anon. Of course saying that on this board is anathema, but lefties figured this out over a century ago.
That's the entire reason critical theory was conjured
>>9590oh, it is implied
that's why you keep running into self proclaimed "reactionary socialist" retards who at every turn in any random thread screech about "muh transhumanist"
come the fuck on, the rule is a joke and a cop-out
>>9591I think that its a bit obvious that any social manifestations of idpol based oppression will inevitably bleed through to a material basis due to the nature of how the superstructure does modify the base as per Lenin's construction of it - and as a consequence it is in the material interest of all communists to persecute reactionary social norms so as to not have imperfections in their classless society caused by such manifestations.
well that and basic human empathy but no fool would appeal to that on an imageboard, of all things.
>>9554I think it might actually be more productive to just volunteer at a soup kitchen rather than engage in much of the fruitless, self-defeating, burnout-prone radlib nonsense of the left in my region, or to engage in this kind of charity adventurism I have observed in micro radical groups here.
Sometimes, communists should try to evaluate their actions in terms of labor value.
For example: a number of times, tiny radlib groups where I live have done "food drives" where they'd bake some food and then sell it (with some claim that the money would go towards XYZ cause or the organization) or give it away to the hungry. To determine how successful they were, we can ask some simple questions:
- what were the material costs of the ingredients?
- how much time did they spend cooking and selling the food or giving it away?
- what is the actual SNLT of their output?
- how much money could they make working for an hour at their job (if they have one)?
If you don't have the same MOP to produce food as an industrial kitchen has, then you will likely be giving less SNLT to your organization or the hungry than the actual labor time you spend cooking. Sometimes this could be OK, other times this is such an extreme disparity that your org will be better off just outright buying food in bulk or from some restaurant with their own wages and giving that away instead. On the other hand, if your charity/volunteering is at a comparable rate of productivity to the rest of industry, by volunteering for an hour, you are actually giving more value to the org or the hungry than you would be able to do by outright donating an hour of your wages, since your wages will by definition be worth less than your total labor value.
If your donation drive nets less revenue per hour than the average wage in your org, it might be a big farce (what I have observed).
Of course this doesn't take into account the propaganda or recruiting aspects of such activities. But wasting your efforts and being inefficient is going to hurt those aspects as well, as workers are less likely to take you seriously if you aren't being smart about your approach to things.
Leaving all of that aside, if you are trying to organize for a communist revolution, you have different obligations from just engaging in charity, which take precedence. We need communists who are really serious, are educated in Marxist theory (old and new), and have the necessary skills. If you don't have even a small group of people like that, you should not be wandering around individually trying to recruit random strangers (to what organization? with what process to bring recruits up to speed? with what activities and aims? etc). I think history shows that communist study groups are an effective way to form groups of really capable communists who can proceed to test themselves in more practical ways.
>>9576>when you're so politically incorrect you wont make a committed statement and act on it because "it is implied" and this faggot >>9575 will have a stroke and you wouldn't want to upset conservative feewees
if you didn't give a shit then
>>9578 would not be your main userbase
>>9596Study groups are nice but there needs to be the incentive to be communist to begin with in order to attract people into such ideas - having more forwards-facing charity orgs can be good PR and bring people into the movement out of self-interest if nothing else, at which point you can start laying on the materialism. That is essentially what the Zapatistas and the Naxalites have done by providing services to the region which the main government has failed to do (like healthcare, infrastructure, food security, ect) and then using that as justification for their presence as a political movement, acting as a draw to bring people in and radicalize them. I guess the more general point is that there needs to be a material draw for people to become communist and without a pre-existing left org with a mass movement behind it which is winning material concessions for proles, this is the next best alternative.
>>9602It was a containment bunker in the same way fucking the internet trash general or the COVID-19 general is, it is an aggregate of posts which would otherwise clog up the catalog with shitty one-line OPs and hot takes.
>>9597I'm not conservative, you're just a whiny cretin assblasted 0.01% of leftist space isn't focused on kissing your ass.
Do you complain about the racism against literally everyone? The misogyny and homophobia? No, every time you whine it's about trans issues because what you're actually upset about is not having your ass kissed.
>>9607https://archive.is/jRcM9>sakai thread in the cataloghttps://archive.is/KZGGd>entire gender crit containment bunkerhell, look at the FAQ thread throughout its history
https://archive.is/bALjBliterally almost any mention of idpol is from /pol/, or is mocking liberal idpol. there is nothing about the explicit ban of lib idpol or anything of the sort.
like, its just not true that there was some kind of total idpol ban, not until like mid-bunkerchan even.
>>9609>-attempt to cloak reactionary politics in left-wing rhetoric (Strasserism, "Nazbol" Strasserism, National "Socialism," Zionism, "Die cis scum"/"Kill all white men" SJW shit)>Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned.Uh uh
>>sakai thread in the catalog>2019>>entire gender crit containment bunker>2019>it was totally like that in the early days tho!!Love how even if this was true you think this is in any way an endorsement. When Sakai/Incels/idpol were allowed it was pure fucking cancer and resulted in the rule becoming firmer on bunkerchan as every other thread was derailed with
>muh sexual free market>muh settlers >>9611>being incredibly easily identified /pol/ b8 will get you banned>Love how even if this was true you think this is in any way an endorsementIt was not an endorsement of idpol it was allowing idpol discussion - aka
not having an anti-idpol ruleat most it was a general ban against /pol/ idpol and all the ways they would try to manifest it and/or false-flag, not the more generalized ban of idpol we have now.
>>9612/pol/ are pretty bad at being petite-bouj cause we get so much headspace completely rent-free
>>9601I am doing it to be silly, calm down.
>>9603Many communist parties formed in a milieu of study groups, and/or continued to recruit from study groups as they grew. This includes the CPC and RSDLP.
>>9604What I am talking about is a situation where there is no communist party to begin with. You are talking about stuff that parties do to recruit people because they're capable of carrying it out effectively. In my situation, I think the major task is to gather the small number of already communist or communist-leaning people, and make us cohesive through study of theory and history. This would serve as a good basis for practical efforts and a party. It's worth noting that new recruits to parties often have to go through a period of study before they can officially join anyway. So an effectively organized study group can be like a bootstrapping of that process.
I'm not saying it's the only answer, but it's one of the best I can think of rn for my situation.
>>9605It's a good idea to get in touch with your local socialist orgs and offer to educate them on how to use library genesis and install Linux. If your organization's members are inadvertently snitching on themselves and their comrades by using Windows, it is dead in the water.
>>9613>It was not an endorsement of idpolI mean your endorsement of the previous stance on idpol, the board was a shit tip in 2019 and bred the sort of single issue schizos that infested bunkerchan. Remember Sakai incel?
>a general ban against /pol/ idpol and all the ways they would try to manifest it and/or false-flagExcept some posters are such a joke of a person it's impossible to tell what's a false flag their brains are so full of worms. This discussion started because some seething retard unironically wanted the jannies to make a sticky celebrating trans people or some shit.
False flag is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your post when some people are actually that retarded.
>>9609>>9613>Using containment thread and Sakai poster as an example. Sakai threads were like 90% shitting on Sakai, and one anon religiously defending him. In the thread we decided to meticulously go through it, we still ended up shitting on it. Sakai poster then got banned multiple times for trying to recreate the same thread nearly every month. And the containment thread came into existence as a result of "crit" discussion shitting up threads it didn't belong in, and going against what was seen as proper policy. Even its existence was contentious, and many anons demanded it just be done away with wholesale and all discussion just removed like before as opposed to it getting a thread.
>aka not having an anti-idpol ruleNo, what we did have was accepted policy. That policy could be made "flexible" at times, but everyone understood the shared policy that the board had, and discussion that quickly exceeded its boundaries (either from a /pol/yp spamming or radlib having a tantrum) could quickly be banned and the thread shelved without much surprise to the action.
>at most it was a general ban against /pol/ idpol and all the ways they would try to manifest it and/or false-flag, not the more generalized ban of idpol we have now.I'm going to be completely honest here, and I'm not going to pretend I'm completely proud of this, but 80% of any calls regarding idpol was done in regards to perceived radlibs, and only sometimes /pol/yps (which spammed more often then made arguments, so most of those just fell under spam).
>>9617>Remember Sakai incel? Yes and I remember calling for his ban too. Really it was a subset of very specific posters that were an issue but I can only assume the bunker moderation didn't want to have targeted pogroms so they decided to codify this "anti-idpol" rule instead, which has mostly just resulted in retardation like this.
>ome seething retard unironically wanted the jannies to make a sticky celebrating trans people or some shit.I think you are making a mountain out of one poster's molehill tbh. The moderation needs to curate idpol discussion to keep out complete retards sure but the topic itself is, in theory, fine to have so long as its grounded in Marxism more generally.
>>9618>Sakai threads were like 90% shitting on Sakai, and one anon religiously defending him.>And the containment thread came into existence as a result of "crit" discussion shitting up threads it didn't belong inYeah I remember, I was around lmao. But the point still stands, there wasn't an anti-idpol rule.
>Even its existence was contentious, and many anons demanded it just be done away with wholesale and all discussion just removed like before as opposed to it getting a thread. Discussion wasn't regularly removed, unless it was specifically /pol/ tier discussion on the issues. While its true there wasn't a lot of idpol posts on 8chan, it was mostly down to the people there more generally already accepting materialism and the unification of the proles under idpol more than it being de-jure banned and deleted all the time.
>No, what we did have was accepted policy.So basically what I've said this entire time?
>but 80% of any calls regarding idpol was done in regards to perceived radlibI'd imagine its probably more the case that radlibs are harder to be clear-cut about as opposed to /pol/ - its not inherently anti-leftist to support trans people, only when you make the point that the individual trans struggle rises above the material one. meanwhile its a lot easier to see "uyghur uyghur" and just delete it cause its obvious what it is, and as a consequence that made up a "silent majority" of all idpol stuff, it was just so obvious that it gets neglected now.
>>9620ah fuck, its too early in the morning for this lmao
I mean unification of the proles under materialism
>>9627Or… it was the most genius evil plan
Pyrrhic victory
>>9542JESUS.
I think this broke my headphones.
>>9441I carefully removed some dirt from one of your pictures.
>>9515>manuevered into getting an article written under that angleI have the impression the author had a largely fixed idea about what to write before the interview (see the references to Gamergate and Contrapoints).
>>207482>Most of the people on bunker are going to /leftcel/Nah.
>or bailingThat's more likely.
>They hate here too much and will probably get banned for idpol or trolled by normal users until they aren't having funI think you are confusing the lingering pol spam from lack of mod activity with the stubborn remainers and late movers.
>>207840>>9652>>9651Both the validity of transgenders and the uselessness of race can be gleaned from studying history.
>>9654IQ is useful race is mostly useless.
>>207883>>9665>>207897
>You are not a 14th century Cree Indian. You are not now, and never will have been a 14th century Cree Indian.Basically feminine men pop up so many times in every continent I feel that Trans are true.
>Worth an argument anyway. Rome was a vast multi-racial empire, which collapsed, and tribal statelets rose up in its ruins. No system of government is eternal but multiethnic empires seem to collapse in entirely predictable ways.Ahh this one, I have a much better example as to why it is worthless. Currently the more Aryan your part of the Indian the worse your quality of life will be. The most successful caste in India Tamil Brahmins (which kamala Harris& many american CEO's is part of) has as much Aryan DNA as a lower caste in Pakistan. Neither Aryan DNA or Dravidian DNA predicts success only historic factors.
>>9687users in this thread
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/207574.htmlhave been calling for more strict action
>>9691stating your own opinion with nothing behind it and then telling people they need to validate your unfounded opinions is not good faith
and before you try it, posting /pol/ copypastas is also not good faith lmao
>>9694You will never have your ethnostate
You will never have that race war
You will never have a tradwife gf
You will never lose your virginity
You will never have a chin
You will never bed a woman
You will never be a man
>>9706Based.
At least you're trying.
>>9707Low energy! Sad!
>>9704Ahh this one, I have a much better example as to why it is worthless. Currently the more Aryan your part of the Indian the worse your quality of life will be. The most successful caste in India Tamil Brahmins (which kamala Harris& many american CEO's is part of) has as much Aryan DNA as a lower caste in Pakistan. Neither Aryan DNA or Dravidian DNA predicts success only historic factors.
Bruh answer this.
>>9710>Ask any gay magical made up little spechul class about xyzNo.
Caste is fanfiction and non canon to humanity.
>>9722NOOOOOOOOO BUT EUGENICS-KUN IS BASED
*proceeds to schizopost an essay*
>>9728>imaginaryAre you trying to tell me that California does not exist?
>>9729Globohomo is irrational. Its hatred of white people is driven by emotion, not reason, which is why it is alienating white people instead of trying to find a way to make us serviceable to its interests.
>>9730Genetics playing no role in society is the dumbest thesis I have ever heard in my life. It's so dumb I don't know how to respond to it. What do you think is the genesis of animal behavior?
>>9731Doesn't make sense in what way?
>>9734"globohomo" is just capitalism being capitalism. it wants to eliminate white people only as a sub-set of eliminating all people, eliminating all that is human.
you see a black man eating McDonalds and you cry "globohomo!" in tears. i am far more concerned to see a Japanese salaryman using an iPhone (designed by apple in California.)
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9735I'm not at the top. I'm a gamma sort of entity, alienated from society and living off a bunch of smart investments I made after wage cucking for two decades. However, I also actively chose this path, when I had other, "better" alternatives available, because I'm an ideologue and I refuse to serve a society that I perceive as hating me and wanting me dead.
>>9736Who said imperialism isn't real? It was one of the dominant political systems of the 16-present centuries.
>>9740The current system is not capitalistic. Nations have their policy controlled by central banks which print currency and hand it to favored entities. Didn't Zero Hedge just point out that 34% of all household income comes directly from the Federal Reserve? How the hell is that capitalism.
I'll meet you halfway on socialism because I believe that unregulated capitalism which is not under the control of a state and its people is a destructive force.
>>9746capitalism is capitalism as it
is, not capitalism as some far flung ideal which has never existed.
the net effect of dysfunctional central bank policies is to pump more money into the stock market, and the primary obligation of capitalist enterprises today is to deliver a return to their shareholders. nothing less, nothing more. what is more capitalist than giving your investors a return?
the only particularly favoured entity helped by central banks are the private banks, which have always been printing money. (not through any fractional reserve banking nonsense, but simply by printing it. the only control central banks have, ultimately, being to set the price of money or to monetize government debt.). money is presently cheap, cheap, cheap, but companies do not borrow to put the money into productive investment - they borrow to put it into buying their own shares, to deliver a higher return for their shareholders.
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9757>the net effect of dysfunctional central bank policies is to pump more money into the stock market, and the primary obligation of capitalist enterprises today is to deliver a return to their shareholders. nothing less, nothing more. what is more capitalist than giving your investors a return?Actually performing capitalism?
>>9757>the only particularly favoured entity helped by central banks are the private banks, which have always been printing moneyNope, Woke Capital is a thing, and it's a policy being pushed from the top.
in my haste i left out that dysfunctional bank policies are also one reason that house prices are still going to the moon. too many people can afford a mortgage to outbid the mortgages that other people can afford on a home, and since the money is created from nothing with no restriction on the purposes for which it's created, there is no upper bound on prices. incidentally, my view is that the solution is not to put up interest rates or to stop printing money, but to return to the a 1950s-70s style system of direct bank lending controls which say "you can only lend X for mortgages, Y for shares, and the remainder for productive industrial investment and government infrastructure." let consumption cross-subsidize production and everyone wins.
>>97581. define "capitalism" as you view it.
2. woke capital is nothing but a cross between marketing and a prestige dialect. it is utterly missing the forest for the trees. the problem with google is that it's an evil global megacorporation committed to an utterly nightmarish vision of the future which nobody is intervening to prevent, not that it has a semi-diverse board of directors.
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism>>9764New Zealand for unitary states, Australia for federal states.
Every state other than the US which has built a constitution with the US as a model (including a separation of powers between legislature and executive) has suffered a coup when the two reached a stand off. This isn't anywhere near as common a problem for sane countries where deadlock can be resolved by a snap election putting the issue to the people.
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9746>The current system is not capitalistic. Nations have their policy controlled by central banks which print currency and hand it to favored entities. Didn't Zero Hedge just point out that 34% of all household income comes directly from the Federal Reserve? How the hell is that capitalism. The Federal Reserve is literally privately owned. Eight of the largest central banks in the world also involve a mix of private ownership. And such institutions handing out money to people doesn't make the system suddenly not capitalist, as the base mechanisms of the system still remain fundamentally the same, the purchasing of labour power to facilitate the creation of unecessary surplus labour time of which commodities for the purpose of profit are created, sold, and the profit invested into production overall so as to repeat such a cycle.
>I'll meet you halfway on socialism because I believe that unregulated capitalism which is not under the control of a state and its people is a destructive force."Socialism" isn't when "the government does stuff" while you maintain a capitalist economy for the sake of maintaining a capitalist economy you retarded liberal SocDem.
>>9770Basically, you don’t like the fact that you might be a sheep when you want to be a wolf.
What did Lenin say about people crying about freedom being slaveowners?
>>9771>The Federal Reserve is literally privately ownedYes. But it's illegal not to use their money.
>>9771>"Socialism" isn't when "the government does stuff" while you maintain a capitalist economy for the sake of maintaining a capitalist economy you retarded liberal SocDemThe purpose of a capitalist economy is its utility. Even china has embraced regulated capitalism because the people owning the means of production didn't work.
>>9772I get the feeling that "land ownership" doesn't mean today what it meant 200 years ago. I agree with your criticisms but it would have been unthinkable 200 years ago for a landowner to sell his property to a foreign oligarch. His neighbors would have lynched him, and they would have been right to do it.
>>9773A chicken in every pot and every man a wolf.
>>9774>because the people owning the means of production didn't work.Laughs in Soviet Industrialization and the space race.
The purpose of the capitalist economy is to produce things to be exchanged for money. It’s why the tendency of the rate of profit to fall exists and why we can make so much and still face crises in housing and healthcare.
200 years ago, capitalists bought off land from the landlords and forcibly removed the peasants from them. But you don’t care about that because you’re a petty booj or petty booj wannabe dipshit.
>>9779No, capital is resources. Silver is a resource, dollars are not. The only utility dollars have on their own is as kindling.
>>9780>The purpose of the capitalist economy is to produce things to be exchanged for money. It’s why the tendency of the rate of profit to fall exists and why we can make so much and still face crises in housing and healthcare
The purpose of capitalism is to expand the amount of capital available for exploitation. Which is not a bad thing.
>>9780>200 years ago, capitalists bought off land from the landlords and forcibly removed the peasants from them. But you don’t care about that because you’re a petty booj or petty booj wannabe dipshit
Strawman. National Socialists disliked "urban development" and thought the highest form of man was a citizen-soldier-family farmer.
>>9774>Yes. But it's illegal not to use their money.And? That's still capitalism.
>The purpose of a capitalist economy is its utility. Even china has embraced regulated capitalism because the people owning the means of production didn't workNo, it embraced it because it's autistic split with the USSR and existent underdeveloped conditions made it so it had to procure foreign investment to jumpstart industry and obtain a suitable economic base for moving into socialism with, but the situation ended up being an full on implementation of capitalist markets proper as opposed to a temporary NEP. All capitalist economies still maintain the contradictions internet to capitalism itself, and these contradictions cannot be "solved" with regulation.
>>9783>You dumb cunt, precious metals have historically had no utility apart from their being useful as a form of money.Silly and wrong. Jewelry is utility. Mirrors require silver. They used silver as an anti-bacterial agent in cisterns, and silver was used in a variety of tinctures and potions. And nowadays of course its utility has never been higher.
>>9782>And? That's still capitalism.No it isn't, because their privately issued ZOGbux aren't capital.
>>9781> No, capital is resources. Silver is a resource, dollars are not. The only utility dollars have on their own is as kindling.What is the utility of silver and gold bullion on its own, oooooo shiny??? Why are you saying silver and gold gets to have utility by interacting with other things but dollars don't? Dollars have utility when interacting with society, I can buy stuff with it. That's utility.
Gold bug cope is hilarious. At least say deflation == good, this utility bullshit is mental gymnastics.
>>9787paper, i pick paper.
(except, of course, that we're beyond that now and the vast majority of existing money is purely digital.)
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9787The ancients didn't have digital money, non-volatile memory storage, volatile memory storage, highways, cars, electricity, etc.
The perishability of money is a concern as a store of value, but the rate of transactions necessary in modernity means shoving gold coins everywhere is impractical. You still haven't shown how gold has more utility as currency. Generally the argument is that deflation is better than inflation, if your money supply is fixed to the amount of gold mined then creditors benefit over debtors, and society remains economically "just" (i.e. in favor of property holders). This utility nonsense is a nonsequitor, yes gold doesn't corrode easily – so the fuck what? Why does that matter as a standard of -currency-. I buy shit with dollars, why should I carry around bullion?
>>9781>No, capital is resources. Silver is a resource, dollars are not. The only utility dollars have on their own is as kindling<Doesn't know what money-capital is Money is quite literally a resource, whether you accept it or not.
>>9784>No it isn't, because their privately issued ZOGbux aren't capital.Can they be used to facilitate capitalist production by way of purchasing commodities for sale? If so, they are capital.
>>9788Well, that's why we don't have capitalism. No one earns any capital.
>>9789I'm not proposing precious metals as the solution by necessity. I have big positions in silver and crypto, which is all well and good. The Reichsmark was a currency backed by labor and that appeared to do very well for the Germans. Buuuuuuuuut - if you're using privately-issued ZOGbux as your """"capital""", you can hardly criticism capitalism for your result.
>>9790ZOGbux are an economic weapon against working class people, not a resource.
>>9791So you're saying the ancients could have just as easily used magnesium as money?
>>9790Fiat currency is fake capital.
All those numbers in your bank account? Imaginary. There is no physical material there. Just numbers.
This is why I invested in silver.
gadsdenGadsden >>9792>The Reichsmark was a currency backed by labor and that appeared to do very well for the Germans. Buuuuuuuuut - if you're using privately-issued ZOGbux as your """"capital""", you can hardly criticism capitalism for your resultAre you just making shit up now? Reichsmark was in no way backed by labour , and the Nazi's ran a deficit based economy in which they accumulated debt to such an astronomical degree that they had to stave off it's payment through such neoliberal measures as providing tax credits to companies or having said companies ownership of state debt converted to other forms which would demand repayment at a later time. Both your examples (Nazi Germany and modern federal reserve banking) are both fundamentally capitalist and operate similarly in their operations, with the Nazis just having the addition of trying to loot gold in other territories to recover the Reichsmark and pay off their debt.
>ZOGbux are an economic weapon against working class people, not a resourceThis is an emotional argument, not an actual material one. Is it used in production as capital? If yes, it's capital, no two ways about it.
>>9799The misallocation and the fakeness are mutually arising problems. The one implies the other.
>>9801>This is an emotional argument, not an actual material one. Is it used in production as capital? If yes, it's capital, no two ways about it.That's like saying a counterfeit dollar bill is the same as a real dollar bill if the cashier takes it. You might have gotten 4 chicken nuggets for free, but you're still a commie.
>>9803>That's like saying a counterfeit dollar bill is the same as a real dollar bill if the cashier takes it. You might have gotten 4 chicken nuggets for free, but you're still a commie.No, it's not, especially since we aren't talking about counterfeit bills, we are talking about the bills actual modern society utilizes regardless of anyone's opinion of it. If the cashier takes the bill, and everyone else uses the bill, and the governemnt and society recognizes the bill as legitimate, it's not a counterfeit bill, it's a real bill with very real purchasing power. Again, you are making an emotional argument, not one based in material reality.
>>9796Not dollars lol
>>9798picrel
>>9800picrel
>>208577Imagine thinking it isn't.
>>9809I exchange my counterfeit capital for real capital. Which I will someday use to pay an army to tear through the soft Canadian overbelly and set up my nord-only ethnostate on the shores of the Hudson Bay, which liberals reassure me will be a tropical paradise in 200 years.
>>9816Force is history's most reliable method of changing people's religion or ideology. No man, no problem.
>>9815We both agree that the whole damn system is corrupt. So why are you white knighting for fake capital?
>>9817You do not understand how men behave. Each Roman legion had a treasurer with fat stacks of soldier pay. Why didn't they just kill him and take it?
>>9818I like to think I'm a funny person. Honk honk.
>>9819The price of silver has to be artificially suppressed by the big banks to keep prices low for industrials. If a TV cost $10,000 that would be a huge motherfucking problem for the regime.
>>9815There is a difference between commodity and non-commodity money, and Marxists are terribly interested in if the latter has any connection to value at all. Calling it counterfeit is one thing, but the money printer meme isn't entirely incorrect.
The soviet union ran into similar problems with their labor vouchers, at one point it had to contend with the law of value while not really being based on one itself (such as gold production is). Stalin talks about this.
THE LINKED BLOG CRISISTHEORY OFTEN TALKS ABOUT THISaccelerationAcceleration >>9822>You do not understand how men behave. Each Roman legion had a treasurer with fat stacks of soldier pay. Why didn't they just kill him and take it?The cohesion of a group, and a continuation of an organization and institution.
But you are paying mercenaries in your example, a different situation entirely and mercenaries have historically been very fickle about their loyalty.
Stop larping as a legionary.
>>9822>We both agree that the whole damn system is corrupt. So why are you white knighting for fake capital?I'm not white knighting for capital you faggot, I'm just stating the fucking facts. When did being accurate constitute being in the defense of? Printed money in no way constitutes "fake capital" when utilized as capital, it operates exactly as capital would and in the real world, is capital.
>The price of silver has to be artificially suppressed by the big banks to keep prices low for industrials. If a TV cost $10,000 that would be a huge motherfucking problem for the regime.You don't understand anon. If it had any foreseeable real power, you wouldn't be able to buy it, full stop. It might be sold to companies that need it, but it would in no way be sold to your average consumer to hold on to. And needing to keep prices low for industries to make them sustainable just shows how the system itself is flawed.
>>9813But they still use *some* form of money.
They do this because it is necessitated by the ownership of property and the production of commodities.
>>9803no it doesn't. a gold based economy encounters the same problem even more often because you find yourself tied down by the amount of gold based money available.
if the tool factory is undercapacity, if the seed shop has unsold stock, if the people are hungry, if the fields lie unused and if the farmers are unemployed, it is an act of the most grotesque proportions to say that this situation should be maintained because there's not enough money - it does not matter if the money in question is literal gold bars, gold based paper, purely printed, or digital.
so long as man's every insatiable desire remains unfulfilled, there is no excuse for involuntary unemployment to exist. it is an act, everywhere, of grotesque waste and inefficiency.
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9833You always have people like that. I'm counting four comments of that sort there (one of those guys being flagged as
Special Ed), and two comments against:
>That shit is such an obvious false flag lmao>9/10 pretty good bait.Most people commenting there don't seem to think that the article is well-researched (it isn't). Don't pretend that we are better than stupidpol (well I am, but you are not).
https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/n2yjtx/bunkerchan_is_trying_to_deradicalize_online_nazis/ >>9260I'm a fucking cool guy.
>>9274this guy knows.
>>9298correct post. If you aren't a brainlet you can easily outsmart polyps.
>>9311this is complete bullshit, every time this comes up we have posters saying they were ex pol before this place. You are simply a liar.
>>9378there is proof right here
>>9430if they wanted an article about ruining the boards ability to convert nazis sure.
>>9466if you think we are coming to whatever shit board you are creating HAHAHHAA.
>>9489you mean like people who repeatedly post Theirry Meysann articles about Rojava even though they have been firmly debunked? And people who repeatedly say all Kurds have the same political interests? People who say kurds are stealing Syrian oil? People like that you mean? Yes. The debate is settled. Those people are all wrong.
How about people who kill image boards dead in order to enforce their own shit ideas, and the evidence is in that this reduced the quality and quantity of posts on said board for forevermore?
>>9553I would suggest before you do this you change your entire attitude about communism
>>9596>study groups are an effective way to form groups of really capable communists yeh yeh yeh start another trot reading group plz that is what we need
>>9840Reds who push beefsteakism are extremely gullible
I'm sorry but this includes Thalmann
>>9847>pretty much every comintern-aligned party did at the timeand they were all wrong, sometimes hilariously so (in Britain for example.)
I'm a different person to the guy comparing it to the advocacy of a red-brown alliance, I just wish more people were aware that "social fascism" as a theory was wrong even on its own terms (for social democracy to "objectively" be the moderate wing of fascism requires that countries be on the cusp of revolution. as we saw, not even Germany was…) and that anyone spouting the theory or the phrase after the Spanish Civil War (when even its chief advocates suddenly turned around and started calling for popular fronts) is suffering from brainworms.
>>9849i do not care what their reasons were, their failure stands plain for all to see.
"no, actually we had very good reason to hate the SPD" - great, but while you were sperging out over the events of 10 years ago Mr. Mustache was still consolidating power and you fucking blew it. frankly i'd hope the communists of 2032 learn something more from the experience of actual fascists coming to power than "when we fail to prevent it this time, people in 2132 will argue on our behalf that our failure was justified at the time."
>“The establishment of an open fascist dictatorship, by destroying all the democratic illusions among the masses and liberating them from the influence of Social-Democracy, accelerates the rate of Germany's development toward proletarian revolution.”
-“The Situation in Germany,” Resolution of the Presidium of the ECCI (Executive Committee of the Communist International), adopted April 1, 1933, ibid., April 13, 1933, p. 378.
>“The bourgeoisie is compelled to abandon the democratic façade and to put the naked dictatorship of violence in the foreground. This development makes it easier for those carrying out a correct, united front, anti-fascist policy to overcome the illusions, which have been fostered by Social-Democracy for decades, with regard to the role of the State, and with regard to economic democracy and the policy of the ‘lesser evil.’”
-Resolution of the CC of KPD, ibid., June 2, 1933, p. 527.
>“The complete exclusion of the social-fascists from the state apparatus, and the brutal suppression even of Social-Democratic organizations and their press, does not in any way alter the fact that Social-Democracy is now, as before, the chief support of the capitalist dictatorship.”
-Resolution of the CC of KPD, ibid., June 9, 1933, p. 547.
>“Even after the prohibition of its organization, Social-Democracy remains the main social prop of the bourgeoisie. . . . The present situation [December 1933] in the German labor movement offers us the possibility of destroying the mass influence of the SPG [Social-Democratic party of Germany] and of reestablishing the unity of the labor movement on a revolutionary basis.”
-Wilhelm Pieck (then Secretary of the German Communist party), ibid., January 30, 1934, pp. 124-25.
>>9850>SPD is not social fascist because the guy they helped into power in every turn was actually bad guysocdems are social fascists, they enabled Hitler and were organizing terror against workers themselves as well as abusing emergency laws as well as expanding them for hitler
you are retarded, fuck off
>>9852the theory wasn't proven right though: the basis of the theory was that late 1920s-1930s were revolutionary times and that being a barrier to revolution is what made them fascist. what happened in 1919 is neither here nor there.
rephrased:
even if the theory was true and the SPD were therefore "objectively" social fascist in 1919 because of their opposition to revolution in revolutionary times, that ceased to be the case in the 1920s and 1930s because the 1920s and 1930s were no longer revolutionary times.they were, instead, utterly counterrevolutionary times. for social democrats to "objectively" be social fascists under the theory of social fascism, the material conditions have to be those which will deliver revolution. hindsight shows us that in the relevant time period this was not the case. the SPD were therefore not social fascists
even if they had been 10-15 years prior. >>209577
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>>9122T. NatSoc Shit poster
(Dont worry still won't tell /pol/ what your new domain is)
Just wanted to come here gloat about you all being outed as the neo-liberal puppets I always argued the Left fundimentaly was.
Va.ush really did a number on you lads huh?
Whats going to be your first contribution to Joe Biden's re-election campaing lefty bros?
You feeling like buying T-shirts to go with them??
Maybe intern with the Lincoln Project???
Lol.
>>9878cope
sage posting his shitty article everywhere is annoying but hes right that you guys are always eager to be the running dogs of neolibs and glowies. look at GLADIO, or the Azov Battalion who gets armed by (((them)))
>>9887>you guys are always eager to be the running dogs of neolibs and glowies.Anon you're entire ideology only ever got a foot hold because a german glow nig thought it would be a useful psyop to end the first world war.
You can talk all the shit you want about Gladio and Hitler's Wallstreet backers and the fucking proud boys if you feel the need to reach that far.
But at the end of the day WWII and the "War on Terror" has shown pretty definitively that independent right is far, FAR more of a threat then the domesticated left has ever been or will ever be.
The Vietnamese make fucking nikies for western kids as slave labor in sweat shops for fuck sake.
China litterally whores its own people out on ten times the square.
Tell me anon,
Why do you think western capital saw it as an easier goal to integrate the mother fucking Chinese Communist Party over the Taliban when the Taliban aren't even doctrinally against private property???
also consider that US-China relations are in a nosedive while the US is pulling out of Afghanistan and has aided the Taliban in recent years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban%E2%80%93ISIL_conflict_in_Afghanistan (one for the "hilarious military alliances" folder, this.)
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism>>9889>The west literally funded the talibanThats kinda my fuckin point anon.
The west funded the taliban, and people have argued they funded the NSDAP to.
However the west was litterally responsible for sending lennin to russia and armed the communists in china before and after WWII.
Unlike the Communists however???
The West went to war with the Taliban and Hitler
But DID NOT go to war with the USSR or Communist China.
Demonstrating my point of them perfering you to /us/ as a broader part of my argument that the left is ultimately the puppet of international finance.
>>9890No but we are arguing that islamic theocrats have gotten far more violence brought down on them then communists have for decades now.
Communists even being allowed into the halls of power as the west exports all its manufacturing over to them and works along side them in the UN as a coalition partner
>>9891Will do
>>9892>also consider that US-China relations are in a nosedive Probably the best counter argument to be made.
However i think this is ultimately for the purpose of collapsing the US into civil war so China can become the new dominant kosher super power as it will have far less internal opposition to World Government then the US with its problematic opportunities for discent allow.
(As seen with the rise of Nationalism and Liberterianism on the right and before that the anti-war movement on the left)
>>9899surely it's hit the bump limit by now anyway
i could go for another laugh at bunkerchan thread tbh, this one's become too /pol/ refugee camp.
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9898>The West went to war with the Taliban and HitlerBut DID NOT go to war with the USSR or Communist China.
Yeah except for that time every country in the west sent troops to overthrow the Soviet government. Clueless moron.
>>9896>And then after ww2 they spent years funding right wing forces across the globe because of how much the commies spooked them, including integrating many your heckin based nationalsocialists into the german govt.Still doesn't explain why they broke the way of the commies in WWII my dude
From a class consiouss perspective it objectively and undeniably makes no fucking sense
It ONLY makes sense if they were working off a frame work other then class (which by the way undermines the entire argument of lennin for how capitalist states opperate, but i digress)
In either instances though I think the post war opposition to "communism" was more opposition to Stalinism then anything else as Stalin was far to much of an independent agent for the (((international))) types to like.
After he suffered his "stroke" however the processs of (((De-Stalinization))) began after which relations with the West normalized
People forget that Up untill the 80s relations between the US and the USSR were relatively stable after Kennedy.
Nixon even "opened china up" to western investment
And ultimately?
It was the eliete of the USSR that LET the berlin wall come down in the first place.
That should tell you something about (((who))) was really running the show after Stalin got merked…
>>9902>Yeah I have read up on foreigners in Maoist China. You dumb motherfucker, do you know Shanghai was a major recipient of Holocaust refugees at this time period?Would not suprise me in the slightest…
>>9903>Yeah except for that time every country in the west sent troops to overthrow the Soviet government.Are we talking pre-wwII shit??
Anon to be clear the Jews have not had completely control of all western governments since the dawn of fucking time anon
It was a gradual process.
And while Zionist Jews DID get the US involved for their sake
(That by the way isn't even "conspiracy theory teir" its litterally admitted by mainstream historians
>https://www.jstor.org/stable/1878450?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contentsThey didnt have complete controll of the US government for decades afterwards
And have had to deal with various actors ever since
>>9909>You conveniently leave out that this is because both China and America had independently concluded that the Soviet Union was the greatest threat to both of them.Maybe so anon
But as the USSRR ALLOWED ITSELF to be broke up what does that tell you about the nature of who owned the leadership themselves???
Its pretty easy to se the Trot>Neo-Con pipeline in the US, it isn't even hidden but openly admitted often enough
And on top of that you then have those same (((Neo-Cons))) supporting "free trade" shipping all the manufacturing from the US to china for 50 fuckin years straight building them into a super power.
Most of the "One World Government" jewish conspiracy theories aren't even fucking THEORIES at this point.
There merely characterizing historical fact and realities of US policy of the last few decades while noticing the ethnicity of the people pushing those policy changes.
>>9913That first pic is at least more honest than some of the more cherrypick-y ones I've seen floating around /pol/ lately.
A couple points though:
- Neera Tanden isn't leading the OMB, appointment was withdrawn.
- It's quite easy for overrepresentation of any given group to occur in a small sample, as just one person will change the % overrepresented immensely. Think about how radical the swing was on the Supreme Court from RBG to ACB for an example (mathematically speaking).
transhumanismTranshumanism >>9913>Its pretty easy to se the Trot>Neo-Con pipeline in the US, it isn't even hidden but openly admitted often enoughTrotskyists are generally the foremost anti-communists. Some guy even did a book on it with funny pictures.
The thing that you fail to factor in - and this applies to the USSR, but also to your worldview in general - is that you assume everything is always going to plan. Even for those who are victorious, who can be said to practically have total power, things are usually not going entirely to plan. The world is a fundamentally chaotic place - the USSR collapsed for a lot of reasons, from internal political mistakes to foreign subversion - not because there was some single grand plan of betrayal.
Those in charge are more often than not genuinely delusional. The free traders often thought that economic liberalization would force political liberalization on China. They were delusional, everything did not go according to plan. They were not playing 10 dimensional chess to undermine the United States, they simply fucked up. Anyone familiar with economic history can quickly deduce that the people in power are dangerously wrong with frightening regularity, often acting in ways that shoot themselves in the feet.
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism >>9907>Still doesn't explain why they broke the way of the commies in WWII my dude>From a class consiouss perspective it objectively and undeniably makes no fucking sense>It ONLY makes sense if they were working off a frame work other then class (which by the way undermines the entire argument of lennin for how capitalist states opperate, but i digress)It absolutely makes sense from a class framework you fag, and this was already stated to you in another thread. Britain, France, and Germany all constituted competing imperialist capitalist powers. Despite that though, Britain and France showed no interest in getting involved against Germany up until the Molotov-Ribbentrop, as there was the view that Germany would go to war with the USSR given enough time as opposed to expanding further into British and French holdings, thus resolving the issue of both Germany and the USSR. The British even had a plan to bomb USSR oil fields in the event of an invasion, as this would both cripple the USSR and suffocate Germany resource wise. Instead what happened was that the non-aggression pact got announced, which caught everyone flatfooted and forced Britain to actually have to honor it's agreement with Poland to ensure German expansion was stifled, as it appeared at the time that the USSR would not be taking up arms against Germany and Germany could thoretically fix any oil issues it had by trading with the USSR. WW2 would have been a war only between competing capialist interests if Germany didn't then go full retard and decide to invade the USSR under the pretense it would just toplle over and it could just take the resources they needed.
This has been stated multiple times to you, and to pretend that no such argument was ever offered is just downright dishonest. If you don't accept it, fine, but then this conversation is useless to have as there will be no agreement whatsoever.
>>9916we may also reintroduce class here: So the average American has been staring down stagnant living standards since the 1970s, what of it? the average politician feels and knows that
his life is getting better, and in a very human way he generalizes that the country must be getting better. the same of the well paid media professionals and so on - for them things
have never been better! the dismal destitution of daily life for the average person is completely outside their range of experience, as distant from you or i as we in the first world are from the people of Haiti.
So if you ask them: have the policies of the last 40 years, the policies that have so transparently dismantled what little quality of life the American people could expect to enjoy as citizens of a developed nation, have those policies been a success? have they made America better? of course they're going to say yes! and in a culture of "fake it 'till you make it" delusion borne of denying the existence of a class system*, of course the aspirational will repeat it! No conspiracy, no party line passed on from on-high, just people relying on their honest day to day experience and (in the most American of ways) declining to look at the data that doesn't align with their worldview.
*the upside of a nation like Britain, with a literal class of feudal lords, is that people are far more aware about how their position in life is determined not by what they do, but by what their father has done. cultural cross contamination with America has dampened this quite a bit, but it is still a very helpful inheritance. Well, helpful for being in contact with reality - it's also a reason British people are miserable fuckers.
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