Are there any methods other than HRT? I still don't fit into either the male or female category (my thread is a couple of threads down). And being trans these days is suicide; I don't think it's worth it.
So, back to the topic.
>Conversion therapy
Obviously it doesn't work, just like therapy in general, a synonym for the words cope and rep.
>Other
There's nothing, just a theory. In theory, you could identify (your) neurobiological markers associated with transgenderism and try to correct them with TMS or something similar.
Androgynous fashion maybe?
>>10181idk have you tried crossdressing and whoring around? honest suggestion
>>10182I have women's pants and a men's shirt. This doesn't help me at all, and it shouldn't.
>>10183>whoring aroundAre you asking me to become a whore or what (I'm ESL)?
>>10184yes im saying go and fuck people while expressing your identity and see if it makes you feel fulfilled
>>10185You really just did make up a method of treatment for a case that you are not in a way possession of its experience or knowledge. Even though it might have worked on you, how can you be sure that it may work on them? And, most women and men of centruies had somrthing they defined as "dignity"…
There is no alternative but HRT, nothing else works and this has been known to science for like a hundred years.
>>10194>>10199Treat your male aggression, hon.
>>10192i'm not sure it will work, it's an idea
>dignitylol spooked.
>>10196>science for like a hundred yearsYou say it as if "science" were trying something new. TMS only became available in the late 2000s in the most developed countries, and no one has even tried using it to treat gender dysphoria (well, except for one Indian study, but there weren't any details, so I doubt it ever happened).
And this is only TMS, there is also something more advanced and new.
>>10200i can't, i'm beint SA'd by testosterone
>>10201We are all "spooked" , you probably aren't neutral either. Morality is a collection of common rites and valuations. Whether one may consider them valid or not, as human history is usually a tale of the transformation of those.
Plus, how can a judgement being a "spook" may make it an undesirable content without assuming there be a negative content in the spook itself.
Believing an idea or not believing are simply assumptions of its truth then, and ultimately a similar act. Why would not believing into it be a better choice here?
>>10199You asked her to kill herself. now stop avoiding my question
>>10206i mean that's what i'd do
>>10202This is horrible and shouldn't be touched.
>>10208>>10213Do you even know what TMS is?
"S" and "SabinyAK" glow no matter which thread convo they "contribute" within
>>10181My best advice as a trans woman myself is to try and identify some other mental conditions other than GD (IE depression, anxiety, neurodivergence) and treat them acordingly; the whole "being trans is suicide" thing isn't always true albeit I don't know where you live.
>>10202Yeah but it doesn't work by itself; most of the subjects were still lower than 3.0 on the GIDYQ-AA which still indicates a high level of dysphoria
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336315392_Gender_IdentityGender_Dysphoria_Questionnaire_for_Adolescents_and_AdultsAs well, it usually costs over 10,000 dollars which is way more expensive than HRT depending on how you get the latter
https://www.cognitivefxusa.com/blog/tms-depression-treatment-costsWhile it doesn't work well enough for OP, HRT is still significantly improves mental health; it's probably ideal for some trans people to use both HRT and TMS
doi.org/10.1016/j.psyneuen.2013.09.029
doi.org/10.1177/26318318251392502
doi.org/10.1257/pandp.20261052
the problem exists in the brain. treat the brain and the problem goes away. conversion therapy doesn't work, but maybe something else does?
>>10202interesting. I wonder if TMS combined with psychedelics could work. it certainly does for major depression and PTSD
>>10309>As well, it usually costs over 10,000 dollars which is way more expensive than HRT depending on how you get the latterthat's just because of the burger medical system being the way it is. curing GD is likely not as profitable as having someone hooked on hormones for the rest of their lives. especially when deployed at scale, where the cost of TMS machines can be brought down
niece what you need is conversion therapy for your autism move to a large city ball out and never use this board again
>>10215This is literally a conversion therapy thread, how am I the one glowing by rejection conversion therapy?
>>10481>move to a large city ball outIgnore the rest of the post, but follow this advice.
>>10181heard that the crash down after realizing that HRT isnt like in the doujins is the leading cause of trans suicide.
>>10484re-read OP's post.
>>10501do transhumanistis actually think that HRT magically turns you into an anime girl like in the tgtf doujhins??? insane
there isn't really any "standard treatment" for gender dysphoria and not all people who experience gender dysphoria choose HRT or necessarily need to choose HRT. some people choose HRT, some people decide they don't need it and just present as masc or femme and that's enough for them, some people get surgery, some people don't get surgery, some people realize they are non-binary or genderfluid or whatever, etc. this is a psychological thing and not like a flu shot or something, it depends on you and how you feel about your gender and what you think is the right thing for you. nobody can answer these questions for you and you just have to do some introspection and figure out who you really are and what you really want, talking about it with a therapist and getting some neutral outside perspective on it can help some, provided they are a good therapist who is actually trained in dealing with lgbt issues and aren't ignorant or biased or domineering and don't really listen to you, which is another thing you also have to kind of figure out for yourself and rely on your own judgment for. but whatever you decide to do, just remember that nobody has any universal answers for this and some trans people can be myopic about it and might, with the best of intentions, pressure you to choose HRT because they did it and it helped them and was the best decision they ever made, but they're not you and they don't know what is right for you, only you can know. and there isn't a ticking clock on this either, there's no need for any FOMO pressure to figure it out and come to a decision before time runs out and it's too late, regardless of what you choose to do your body is going to age and become old and saggy and wrinkly and your hormones will naturally change anyway and your hair will turn grey and start falling out and you'll get weak and sick and die like everyone else who ever lived; that's the only ticking clock there is, is your own certain death.
>>10181Literally what other "solution" is there? How do we know this isn't just you begging the question in favour of repression? HRT is how you alter a decent chunk of secondary sexual characteristics? Do you want non-binary medical treatment or something, judging from "don't fit into either the male or female category"?
>>10310>the problem exists in the brain. treat the brain and the problem goes awayIt's not a problem, and it transcends mind-body dualist nonsense anyways, since the process of embodying a different gender/sex gradually feeds back into itself through increased satisfaction.
>>10593This vaguepost is glowing
>>10623>It's not a problemSpeak for yourself.
>>10649yeah because that's what i said. you do realize that everyone here is literate, right?
>>10673and I'm saying you're stupid
>>10675at least i'm not intellectually dishonest, i don't have to resort to clumsy attempts at manipulative strawman chicanery to express my stupidity, at least the stupid things i say can be taken at face value and my word isn't utterly worthless, at least i can pass as an authentic stupid human being instead of whatever it is you are.
>>10676I agree I'm as stupid as you are but I'm right about this and you're wrong and I don't see how I was strawmanning when your response was literally 'yep that's me'. sorry for not being a perfect rational debatelord whenever people say things that really piss me off
alright fine I'll make an actual serious response cause no one ever convinced anyone by just fuming lol
>>10593>there isn't really any "standard treatment" for gender dysphoria and not all people who experience gender dysphoria choose HRT or necessarily need to choose HRTstraight out the gate you seem to have a very strange idea of what dysphoria actually is. the root cause of dysphoria is the body, so obviously the only treatment that tackles the root cause is body modification or at the very least halting the changes that currently cause dysphoria. with HRT and maybe surgeries. modifying the brain in some way could theoretically also work but there's no good evidence for it, but there is lots and lots of evidence that HRT massively helps the mental health of dysphorics, with suicide rates in those who started before puberty equivalent to that of the cis population.
>there isn't a ticking clock on this either, there's no need for any FOMO pressure to figure it out and come to a decision before time runs out and it's too late, regardless of what you choose to do your body is going to age and become old and saggy and wrinkly and your hormones will naturally change anyway and your hair will turn grey and start falling out and you'll get weak and sick and die like everyone else who ever lived; that's the only ticking clock there is, is your own certain deathlmao no. dysphorics who started HRT later are always on average unhappier with their bodies than those who started earlier. male and female aging are very different and the longer you wait the less HRT alone will change.
>it depends on you and how you feel about your gender and what you think is the right thing for you. nobody can answer these questions for you and you just have to do some introspection and figure out who you really are and what you really want, talking about it with a therapist and getting some neutral outside perspective on it can help some, provided they are a good therapist who is actually trained in dealing with lgbt issues and aren't ignorant or biased or domineering and don't really listen to you, which is another thing you also have to kind of figure out for yourself and rely on your own judgment for. but whatever you decide to do, just remember that nobody has any universal answers for this and some trans people can be myopic about it and might, with the best of intentions, pressure you to choose HRT because they did it and it helped them and was the best decision they ever made, but they're not you and they don't know what is right for you, only you can knownot as helpful as you think. I agree that at the end of the day it is each person's own decision and responsibility, you have to consider the odds. a person who thinks this much about transition, and is asking about it in trans spaces, would almost certainly benefit far less from being told to do a lot of introspection and waiting around than "just start HRT as soon as possible, and if you don't like it, stop".
when you see smoke coming from the direction of your house, you don't sit down and ask yourself whether it actually is on fire. you grab a fire extinguisher and run straight there.
*while I agree
and remove the word 'currently'
>>10678>the root cause of dysphoria is the bodydysphoria a state of psychological distress, you're putting the cart before the horse and doing some very awkward mental gymnastics to try to universalize your own personal feelings and experiences and apply them to everyone; in other words, you are projecting, which is a very typical behavior among people with a myopic self-centered egotistical asshole worldview such as yourself.
>I agree that at the end of the day it is each person's own decision and responsibilityyet you felt the need to write this lengthy rebuttal to my post where i expressed that very sentiment, and literally everything you are saying here completely contradicts that. if you really believed it was each person's own decision and responsibility and respected the intelligence and autonomy of other people, you wouldn't have this dogmatic attitude about such a personal and monumental life-changing decision, and you certainly wouldn't be making incredibly insulting and insensitive big sweeping generalizations like "dysphorics who started HRT later are always on average unhappier with their bodies". did you ever stop to consider how the "dysphorics" who started HRT late might feel reading something like that? of course not.
>>10685>you shouldn't say starting HRT earlier is better because then people who started later will be jealousthey will, as is reasonable. it's not harmful to acknowledge that a problem exists.
>>10678>>10679and the word 'always', because it makes it sound like I'm referring to individuals and not the population. my mistake.
>>10688you're probably not even trans you're just a crazy person
>>10693….ok
I just don't really see who your rhetoric benefits. forgive me for preferring that some people have a little of the wrong puberty than lots of people have a lot of the wrong puberty ig. if you're questioning, the most reliable way to resolve the question is to try HRT. people feel a lot more regret for things they didn't do than for things they did do, and it makes sense right? if you take an active role you're at least more likely to learn something.
>>10695>if you're questioning, the most reliable way to resolve the question is to try HRTyou already tried that tactic and it didn't work. the people reading this thread are not as stupid as you seem to believe. you're overestimating your own intelligence and you're humiliating yourself.
>>10706tactic? what do you mean tactic? and when was that statement proven wrong? I'm not trying to be 'intelligent' or to debatebro you, I'm just saying what I think the best course of action is. if you disagree that's fine, I just don't understand why you do. I don't want to take away anyone's autonomy and I can't say what's best for everyone because no one can. but I know what's most likely to help, and I say it because I want to help.
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