/lgbt/ - LGBT

Maybe they'll claim it'd be a health and safety issue since gay dudes are so busy fucking and sucking and giving each other aids and syphilis or something.

>>10767
This is an interesting and very ironic point because this actually used to be used against (promiscous) straight women originally who supported the sexual liberation movement and the availability of contraceptions.

>>10766
The graph is about dating bisexual men, not about opinion on homosexuals.

Straight women probably reason that a bisexual man have twice as much chances of cheating on them compared to a straight man.

>>10769
Are there as many gay men as straight women? Or why would it double their chances.

>>10770
A straight man cheating on his partner can do so with 50% of the population.
A bisexual man cheating on his partner can do so with 100% of the population.
That's not rocket science.

>>10771
That assumes every woman is either straight or bisexual and that every man is either gay or bisexual.

>>10771
but a straight man can have gay sex

Not even transwomen can escape the biphobia nah man it really is over.

Cherrypicking

>>10773
that would make him bi not straight

>>10766
Pick 1: 1) No such thing as bi guys, just gay guys in denial 2) Bi guys have sex with men, thus feminine, thus "ick". Potential test: see if it makes a difference if the bi guy was a top or bottom.

>>10769
>Straight women probably reason that a bisexual man have twice as much chances of cheating on them compared to a straight man.
that's still homophobia

>>10769
You see how it’s still homophobic to assume that the bisexual man is some kind of gigahypergamous succubus, right?

bisexual men can literally just present themselves as straight and their life would be fine. they wouldnt be feigning attraction, they wouldnt be in beard relationships, or anything like that. itd just be a normal relationship indistinguishable from any straight relationship.
women understand this, and so they clock any out bisexual man as a massive retard who willingly chooses to become part of an oppressed minority group when he could otherwise just be normal

>>10769
biphobia from straggots doesn't exist, its all homophobia

>>10778
>Straight man: can potentially cheat with any woman i.e 50% of the population
>Bi man: can potentially cheat with any woman or man i.e 100% of the population
That's not homophobia, that's mathematics.

>>10831
Only 5-10% of men are homosexual or bisexual, and 2-5% of women are homosexual, so they only gain a 5-10% larger marker over straights, an irrelevant percentage.

>>10839
Why can we never criticize an oppressor class (straight women) without someone crying mysoginy?
And yes, straight women do have power over queer men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouGov
That company has a track record fudging numbers.

>>10839
>The most homophobic (and general antisocial) demographics have always been hetero males

Still wonder why this is, but I'd imagine it mostly comes down to upbringing and societal expectations. Not saying het women are guiltless but they don't seem as hateful and nowhere nearly as violent.

>>10853
a lot of cis straight women will pretend to support their trans coworker but then freak out if their boyfriend mentions dating a trans woman in the past. a lot of them are fake allies

>>10839
>have always been hetero males
explain the data then

>>10855
There's a phenomenon I've noticed where a decent chunk of self-described progressive women are only progressive because they recognize the right-wing hates them, and the left-wing hates them less-so, not out of any genuine progressive convictions. This is why you see so many supposedly progressive women holding so many conservative stances. Unlike male progressives, who are encouraged to confront their own reactionary biases and beliefs (sometimes they do, sometimes they don't), female progressives can usually just run wild with them without being confronted. And this is largely because left-wing men are castrated little sissies scared shitless of being accused of being "misogynistic" by voicing disagreement with a woman.
The same phenomenon can also be seen with progressives hailing from other minority groups (I'm sure we've all witnessed the "gay leftist who would be conservative if they werent gay" archetype).

>>10855
>>10876
because the United States is dominated by two right-wing parties who primarily differ on cultural issues, there are many identity groups in this country who consider themselves "left" simply because they can't be "right." Most feminists, black nationalists, LGBT people, and others, all only consider themselves to be on the "left" because the "right" is sexist, racist, homo/transphobic, etc. Because identity is their primary lens of viewing the world, they keep the same liberal/right-wing sensibilities and don't care for actual Marxist education. The "left" has become synonymous with certain subcultures and this cultural milieu in popular imagination

>>10876
And there are many reactionary workers who are only on "the left" due to being working class. People generally act according to their self-interests is basic Marxism.

>>10876
Do you think most male progressives are genuine or do they just pretend so they can fuck the weird artsy fartsy woke lesbians?

Women are not a natural ally to anybody inherently. The concept is that because women are oppressed, they will feel solidarity with other oppressed people. This has never been true for any oppressed group. Every type of group has its reactionaries and people who are only "progressive" insofar as it benefits the oppressed group(s) they are part of. If you ask *specifically* straight women a question, you are also dividing "women" as a whole into relatively more (non-straight) and less (straight) oppressed subsets, and the less oppressed subset is going to tend to be more reactionary.

There's also a phenomenon of a lot of women thinking that being a woman is much more oppressive than being LGBT+ (this is especially common among straight women and women who lack familiarity with queer people). As such, they are prone to view queer men as less powerful than straight men but still more powerful than themselves, and therefore their oppressors. Combine that with the stuff about gay male promiscuity stereotypes and insecurities about having to compete not only with other women but with men-loving men who are "always" down to fuck, and it's really no wonder straight women feel threatened by bisexual men, as wrong as they are to feel that way.

>>10965
This argument makes sense until you apply it to other demographics. Hispanic people tend to be homophobic because they are often Catholic and bribed by the churches to beat up minorities, not because they feel threatened by queer people. The same sort of bribery applies to women as a group through a thousand indirect ways. It's just minorities being bribed into chuddery. It has nothing to do with the personal psychology of it. It's no different than why cops and soldiers are assholes, it's their job to be mercenaries of capital.

>>10776
No it wouldn't make him bi, how else is a straight but curious man supposed to find out? A straight man can try gay sex and then decide 'actually that did nothing for me' and remain straight.

>>10973
Why would a straight man 'try gay sex' though.

>>10974
you ever try a food to see if you'll like it or not?

>>10766

Its akin to why southern cattle ranchers hate vegans and vegetarians so much. It threatens their livelihood.

western women hate gay men for the same reason they hate asian women, they dislike how it defies the conventional economic roles of gender.

Women exist, economically, as a class of prostitutes, so when men disengage with the prostitution of women, pursuing homosexuality, or being pursued by women, this threatens the class existsnce of these women itself.

>>10975
Really not the same lol. You don't really know what something tastes like before you try it but you should know whether you are attracted to men or not without fucking one.

>>10979
Its clear for some and not others, infind it strange that you think even remotely experimenting with the same gender makes you a forever gay/bi.

men are sluts how do you not know this OP