/lgbt/ - LGBT

I can't recommend Dialectic of Sex highly enough as a historical materialist exploration of many feminist issues.

Okay I am going to keep it short, you cant take transgenderism as part of materialism since like 99% of the people reject bio-essentialism and transgender medicalism, divorcing itself from the scientific method.

Just putting it up front, you might get along a lot more than you think with christians.

>>1163
You have to do a lot of the legwork yourself as this isn't a topic that has a lot of work done in it. By that I mean you have to read libs and anarchists, sometimes socialists with subpar ideas and then figure out what parts can be re-framed with a Marxist lens.

It's helps to have a good foundation in Marxist philosophy.

Here are some recommended reading I've collected (not that I've read most of these from start to finish):
-The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State by Engels.
- Gender Accelerationist Manifesto
- Judith Butler, maybe Undoing Gender, or We need to rethink the category of woman
- Penis Envy and other feelings by Ruti
- heterosexualism and the colonial / modern gender system by Lugones
- towards a scientific analysis of the gay question , los Angeles research group

>>1167
You are not the real marx

>>1168
Yes. I'm literally him. Engels and I had SÈX all the time.

>>1169
Liar, the real marx would have made like 15 gofundsme for alcohol already

>>1163
Xenofeminist Manifesto
https://www.laboriacuboniks.net/20150612-xf_layout_web.pdf

>>1166
Trangenderism isn't an ideology lad, shut the fuck up.

Hexbear has a great reading list on transfemenism, with queer marxism having its own section.

https://hexbear.net/post/4435465

>>1358
Amazing. Thanks for sharing.

>>1357
I liek how this post is sandwiched between two examples of transgender ideology

Bump

lmfao theres only one communism, stop adding retarded adjectives to it that only pertain to interclass activism

>>1163
lol using shit ass larpy bourgeois nation-states and parties as examples of literally anything

>>1167
>what parts can be re-framed with a Marxist lens
college student moment

>>1350
>>1358
>>1351
nothing but philosophy and sociology shit god damn

>>1166
>you cant take transgenderism as part of materialism
materialism is literally just reality you dipshit

>>1358
>>1165
>>1350
>feminist marxism
>queer marxism
>materialist feminism (??)
proletarian women and proletarian queers will be liberated along with all other proletarians as a matter of course in a revolution, and non-proletarian women and non-proletarian queers are not our concern

>>1357
of course being trans is not an ideology, doesnt mean this garbage thread isnt just peddling a bunch of unrelated ideology shit to communism lol. being trans and posting here is infuriating because everyone here is so fucking retarded and infuriatingly middle class

I haven't read any of them and there are some questionable things on the reading list that we don't support (anarchists, Parenti) but this looks good

>>1163
There's no analytical tool feminism or "queer theory" can give you that science and materialism can't do on their own.

>>1167
>-The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State by Engels.
Feminism is a mythological project built around an essentialized subject (“woman”) that has never existed as a coherent class. Engels wasn’t doing a heccin feminism. He was dismantling the family as a unit of private property and inheritance.

Read up on James Baldwin!
Look at American society from the lens of a queer person of color. The "gay MLK" as was known at the time

>>1166
>you cant take transgenderism as part of materialism since like 99% of the people reject bio-essentialism
<materialism
>essentialism
holy shit 😲😲😲😲😲

>>2546
when marx was talking about materialism he was talking about being a smug new atheist reactoid ok

Practical feminist politics in the modern day seems to be entirely based on deciding whether or not and/or how often you throw vag to the moids.

Let's put this thread back on its tracks.

Right now the thread is filled with a mess of different suggestions thrown together. Most have nothing to do with each other. I will start by organizing them into a single post. At least my goal is to outline the communist (Marxist) queer theory herein, naturally following the premises of The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State.

<The thread's hodgepodge suggestions (line break indicates that the suggestions come from different posts. Posts giving duplicate sugg. will attempt to be skipped):

-The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State by Engels.

• Gender Accelerationist Manifesto
  
• Judith Butler, maybe Undoing Gender, or We need to rethink the category of woman
  
• Penis Envy and other feelings by Ruti
  
• heterosexualism and the colonial / modern gender system by Lugones
  
• towards a scientific analysis of the gay question , los Angeles research group
  
  

Dialectic of Sex

https://libcom.org/article/gender-nihilism-anti-manifesto-alyson-escalante
https://blindfieldjournal.com/2017/08/07/abolitionism-in-the-21st-century-from-communisation-as-the-end-of-sex-to-revolutionary-transfeminism/
https://cosmonautmag.com/2018/12/on-women-as-a-class-materialist-feminism-and-mass-struggle/
https://libgen.is/search.php?req=marxism+and+intersectionality+bohrer
http://marxistleftreview.org/index.php/no-14-winter-2017/145-foucault-s-history-of-sexuality-a-marxist-engagement
https://alyesque.medium.com/marxism-and-trans-liberation-1066d09b7e8f
https://alyesque.medium.com/how-contrapoints-misunderstands-gender-bd833cc6d8c8
http://www.kyoolee.net/one_is_not_born_a_woman_-_wittig.pdf
https://blindfieldjournal.com/2017/07/31/the-call-for-gender-abolition-from-materialist-lesbianism-to-gay-communism/
https://laboriacuboniks.net/manifesto/

>8. Queer Marxism
Transgender Marxism - Jules Joanne Gleeson and Elle O'Rourke
Transition and Abolition: Notes on Marxism and Trans Politics - Jules Joanne Gleeson
Lavender and Red - Leslie Feinberg
Caliban and the Witch: Women, The Body, and Primitive Accumulation - Silvia Federici
Re-enchanting the World: Feminism and the Politics of the Commons - Silvia Federici
Revolution at Point Zero: Housework, Reproduction, and Feminist Struggle - Silvia Federici
The Problematics of Heterosexuality: Marxism, Psychoanalysis, and Mother Nature - Hilary Manette Klein
The Politics of Everybody: Feminism, Queer Theory, and Marxism at the Intersection - Holly Lewis
Raya Dunayevskaya's Intersectional Marxism: Race, Class, Gender, and the Dialectics of Liberation - Kevin B. Anderson, Kieran Durkin and Heather A. Brown
Queer Marxism in Two Chinas - Petrus Liu
Finding Women in the State: A Socialist Feminist Revolution in the People’s Republic of China, 1949-1964 - Zheng Wang
Some of Us: Chinese Women Growing Up in the Mao Era - Xueping Zhong, Wang Zheng and Bai Di
The Women's Revolution: Russia 1905 - 1917 - Judy Cox
Social-Democracy and Woman Suffrage - Clara Zetkin
Lenin on the Woman Question - Clara Zetkin
The New Soviet Man and Woman: Sex-Role Socialization in the USSR - Lynne Attwood
Revolution, She Wrote - Clara Fraser
>10. Anti-Imperialism and Internationalism
Terrorist Assemblages: Homonationalism in Queer Times - Jasbir Puar
Class, Gender, and Neoliberalism - Nancy Lindisfarne and Jonathan Neale
Gender and Colonialism: A Psychological Analysis of Oppression and Liberation - Geraldine Moane
Gender and Imperialism - Clare Midgley
The Beginning and End of R-pe: Confronting Sexual Violence in Native America - Sarah Deer
Conquest: Sexual Violence and American Indian Genocide - Andrea Smith
Western Women and Imperialism: Complicity and Resistance - Nupur Chaudhuri and Margaret Strobel
Do Muslim Women Need Saving? - Lila Abu-Lughod
Anti-Veiling Campaigns in the Muslim World: Gender, Modernism and the Politics of Dress - Stephanie Cronin
Embodying Geopolitics: Generations of Women's Activism in Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon - Nicola Pratt
Greater Than the Sum of Our Parts: Feminism, Inter/Nationalism, and Palestine - Nada Elia
Palestinian Women's Activism: Nationalism, Secularism, Islamism - Islah Jad
Israel/Palestine and the Queer International - Sarah Schulman
Queer Palestine and the Empire of Critique - Saed Atshan
Even a Freak Like You Would Be Safe in Tel Aviv: Transgender Subjects, Wounded Attachments, and the Zionist Economy of Gratitude - Saffo Papantonopoulou
Militarization and Violence Against Women in Conflict Zones in the Middle East: A Palestinian Case-Study - Nadera Shalhoub-Kevorkian
Decolonial Feminism in Abya Yala: Caribbean, Meso, and South American Contributions and Challenges - María Lugones, Yuderkys Espinosa-Miñoso and Nelson Maldonado-Torres
Positioning Gender and Race in (Post)colonial Plantation Space: Connecting Ireland and the Caribbean - Eve Walsh Stoddard
Ireland and the Magdalene Laundries: A Campaign for Justice - Claire McGettrick, Katherine O’Donnell, Maeve O'Rourke, James M. Smith and Mari Steed
Family and Gender in the Pacific: Domestic Contradictions and the Colonial Impact - Margaret Jolly and Martha Macintyre
Oceanic Encounters: Exchange, Desire, Violence - Margaret Jolly, Serge Tcherkézoff and Darrell Tryon
Maternities and Modernities: Colonial and Postcolonial Experiences in Asia and the Pacific - Kalpana Ram and Margaret Jolly
Paradoxes of Hawaiian Sovereignty: Land, Sex, and the Colonial Politics of State Nationalism - J. Kēhaulani Kauanui

Anyone gonna pick up the slack? Pride month is around the corner
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>>8700
I work in a communist bookstore and this thread has been very helpful in stocking more queer liberation books. We just got a bunch from Genderfail, I haven't had time to look through them, though.

>>1163
I’m not sure a socialist queer theory is really that easy to build. The vast majority of queer theory is just garbage anyway. And queer theory isn’t inherently pro-LGBT either, since there are many queer theorists who argue that LGBT idpol must be abolished or is a straight jacket.

>>8700
You can’t discuss queer theory without Foucault. History of Sexuality Vol. 1 is a must read. Foucault himself wasn’t a queer theorist, but that book is the touchstone for everything that’s come afterward.

>following the premises of The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State.
That book is a piece of garbage armchair anthropology. Its premises and methods are largely discredited, and most of Engels claims are counter to history and actual anthropology of gender etc.

>queer Marxism
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say queer Marxism is a joke, not because I’m someACP type, but because Marxist theory cannot explain gender and sexuality very well and Marxian feminism is basically discredited at an empirical and theoretical level.

When it comes to queer theory and imperialism, you’ve got some good readings there. But you’re only showing one side of the debate. The Palestinian Christian queer theorist Joseph Massad’s essay Reorienting Desire and his chapter on sexuality and Islam in Liberalism need to be included. Massad’s argument is controversial but important: he argues that ideas like “queer” or “sexuality” and the distinction between hetero and homosexuality are not indigenous to the Middle East, that NGOs and Westernized elites spread these ideas to the region like colonial missionaries. This manufactures an excuse for imperial intervention (saving the gays) and also destroys indigenous same sex culture by coercing people to identify as gay or straight.

For trans stuff I’d highly recommend David Valentine’s Imagining Transgender: Ethnography of a Category.

>being this desperate to make communism/marxism some useless impotent all encompassing academicoid "theory"
im a transhumanist and i think youre all fucking retarded