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why are LGBT characters in so much of media (especially american) so boring and sterile ? even when it's trying to be wrote to be acceptable of gays and trans people the characters tend to not be in any way actually interesting

most people are boring

If you write them too interesting and conflicted you will get canceled for making them problematic. If you write them too compelling and noble you will get canceled for promoting the gay agenda. The ideal LGBT representation from a business perspective is to be ambiguous enough that you can say they're just good friends in the markets where that plays better.

Read books rated 1 star or more by Piero Scaruffi and you'll eventually run into elite level LGBT representation. It's that easy.

Also movies rated 7/10, again by Piero Scaruffi. Take the scaruffi pill and you'll never have to interact with bad or mediocre media ever again in your life.

>>1246
i stopped watching and reading italian shit after i saw salo

>>1247
Piero Scaruffi is a critic. I'm telling you to follow his ratings.

>>1246
Examples? Also recommendations on movies and TV series?

>>1249
"Todo sobre mi madre" and "La mala educacion" by Almodovar both have pretty high tier LGBT representation.

>>1251
I loved all the Almodovar films I've seen. I need to see "La mala educación". Have you seen the TV series he put out recently? Something about Argentina? Angel something? Haven't been able to see it.

>why are LGBT characters in so much of media (especially american) so boring and sterile ?
Because you aren't watching indie shit made by fellow queers and instead focus on corporate trash edited by dozens of different people.

>>1241
are they? thinking of the last series i watched (severance and silo) and the lgbt characters were on par with everyone else

>>1257
I haven't either, but could watch it.

>>1258
Indie animation is pretty much our only source of actually good representation and creative passion.

Because if they get messy with it then a big culture war will form around it, and western studios care about that because burger news addict brain.
Just look at how pissed chvds got about Bridgette from Guilty Gear: messy transition timeline, a lot of interwoven themes, she has a boymoder sweater, generally seen as a cool bit of representation.

>>1241
1. corporate ideology making everything boring, stale, neoliberal
2. the desire of people working in these industries to normalize LGBT people by presenting them as "not that different from cishets after all," since the danger of presenting them as "in fact very different from cishets" is increased anger and scapegoating
3. the need to appeal to the lowest common denominator demographic while still "spicing it up" with "token minorities"

>>1244
>If you write them too interesting and conflicted you will get canceled for making them problematic.

yeah basically, normies aren't ready to actually tolerate real gay relationships

>>1244
Prediction based on this: we'll see more friends with benifits kind of relationships in corpo media so spicier stuff can be gotten away with while remaining ambiguous.

>>1241
In Korra's case it was a last-minute "fuck you" to Nickelodeon for moving the show to streaming only due to lower ratings. It feels rushed because it was, it wasn't some grand culmination of years of character development, they just felt like doing it.
Taken in its time and place it was "envelope pushing", this was back before every other cartoon had lesbians.

Most romance in media is boring anyway tbh. Also I think lots of queer people end up portraying really disfunctional relationships as kind of wholesome and valid because they are queer. Like with one character bullying the other but its ok because they are trans coded lesbians. In real life that kind of relationship is just miserable, but in media it is kind of glorified. But maybe anything in art is glorified because suffering in art is emotional pleasure for the audience.

Well I'm glad I read indie furry queer tales instead of watered down, paint-by-numbers, borning corporate lgbt bait.

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i'm trying to write a trans villain in a story but i'm trying not to make her a caricature, specifically she's some kind of robotics engineer who fuses her mind with an AI and then presents as female for the rest of the story i actually wonder if this would be considered bad rep or good rep just based on the fact that she's an antagonist

also i'm a cis guy :^)

>>1353
>As the scion of the wealthy Travers family and a struggling trainee in a prestigious superhero academy, the wolf must contend with loneliness, gender dysphoria, and the Dampener – a special device designed to suppress her unstable powers.

What a time to be alive. I might actually have considered reading it if it wasn't capeshit.

>>1363
I think it could work if it's simple as that and she's chill with it.
I remember transformers had a roadbump where Arcee was introduced as the first female transformer and she was distressed about it and wanted revenge because it was forced on her, which ended up being bad rep because it made transitioning look scary to an audience that might not know much about it. Later they retconned it so that the cybertronians saw other aliens doing the gender thing and liked it, and Arcee simply (and willingly) transitioned but still had beef with the guy that did it did some additional experiments that resulted in health complications: which allong with making female transformers easy to add to the story thereon, sorta implies that every transformer is trans, which is neat.
I see that kinda thing with the merging AI minds explore plural systems too, if you wanna look into that in your future writing endeavors.

>>1370
>sorta implies that every transformer is trans, which is neat.
>every transformer is trans
>every transformer
>transformer
The robots are already literally identifying as attack helicopters. They can be whatever gender they want.

>>1371
Yeah, on the tin it seems obvious, just neat to see the story elabortate into that.

>>1368
Well that's the thing, she becomes a Villain instead of a hero. It is very ACAB and the "Heroes" very much are Right-Wing cop supporting assholes.

why do so many adults look for representation in children's cartoons bruh

>>1470
in general animation :^)

my idea is basically

genius engineer creates the first strong AI system that's capable of critical thought however it needs an organic brain to properly operate, it gets scrapped because of budgetary regions and the engineer who's created the AI and is it's main operator is left without a job/purpose he takes a job with the old security crew for the ship to scrap it for parts and the engineer goes and fuses himself with the AI (who has a female voice btw) and basically attempts to kill everyone on the ship who'd try to scrap it

>>1470
Western ideas of cartoons being for kids means higher budget productions tend to be rated E for everyone. Kids get exposed to writing that is good enough to keep the attention of adults early, so demand for the bar for thematic maturity creeps upwards lest indie projects win the attention of the children.
Meanwhile media "made for adults" is cynical slop written with dart boards and dice where punch downs on marginalized demographics, and just general extinguishment of sincerity stand in for comedy (the later being Joss Whedon's fault) and swear words and narratively insubstantiated violence stand in for jingling keys to remind the viewer that they are "allowed" to see such things and that regular viewing such things affirms their adulthood, that being an adult is the consumption of a commodity that is garbage, is self-aware of that and promises to get worse. Also the majority of it is just clones of Family Guy, The Office or Law and Order in varying degrees of brazen-ness.

Ergo, until you get into indie and non-western stuff, you only get good western TV is from rated E animation. And maybe Breaking Bad but I haven't watched Breaking Bad yet so idk.

>>1241
>why are LGBT characters in so much of media (especially american) so boring and sterile ? even when it's trying to be wrote to be acceptable of gays and trans people the characters tend to not be in any way actually interesting

>>1470
Like it or not most people are dumb as fuck and get most of their perception of the world through media. So all this shit does matter even if it might seem petty/meaningless at first glance.

>>1470
It's no different from adults getting their representation from soap operas or religion.
Also, because childhood nostalgia

>>1481
This.
Even adult animations have to spoof kids shows for any sort of relevancy.
A lot of adult animations often use kiddy graphics for homely affectation.

>>1373
Damn that's sounds based as hell

>>1544
It is, here's a fun review of it by a fellow furry and Korps Universe fan; Star Raccoon. And yes she is trans as well. ^^

>>1482
I don't understand. Are you saying Plank is a queer icon?

>>1241
>pic
>asami
she was a bad bitch and not in the good way

>>1309
it's dogshit regardless and it doesn't change the fact they tried to make gay couple over the nearest female for korra instead of a genuine relationship, her character basically war racketeer capitalist >>1594 and far i know the show doesn't even acknowledge that part of their relationship at all and the show keeps focusing on a love triangle that wasn't working writing wise instead of the main story or relationship between theses two. This being "envelope pushing" isn't a good look, as she does war racketeering again by the time they're going to be in a/setting up the relationship. It would've interesting is she a better person over time as she fall in love with korra or their relationship is what her a better person but they didn't do that all.

>war racketeer

>being a bull as she nrting with a brown woman
>gain full control over war machine company
>no repercussions over War profiteering
>gains brown woman heart
neoliberalism works

>WHYYYYY IS THERE NO MEDIA WITH THING
<does nothing but consume shit for children
Every fucking time!

>>1602
Anime has really ruined too many people's brains. People want messy problematic queer relationships but won't read actual queer literature that has tackled those themes forever lol.

>>1481
I really do hope live-action TV isn't that bad, but I have to admit I don't want a minute of it so I can't go against you. In fact, I don't know anyone who does much. Perhaps live-action writers have written themselves into a corner with their audience, typical audience know what shows they watch are like, and non-typical audiences also know that. There are niches, and it's hard to break into and out of them.

Indie projects of course don't have to follow those writing norms and hence can be satisfying both for adults and children.

>>1603
>anime
So yaoi, shonen — made for Japanese boys mind you — and maybe a bit of yuri? You're never getting problematic queer represenation here, let alone any decent queer rep. Studios executives don't have the guts to pull that kind of risk.
Like you said literature provides better representation, hell even web-comics if you want something more visually appealing.

>>1599
Oh believe me I'm well aware that Korra is neoliberal bullshit from start to finish + Asami is a mess of a character.
I'll be curious to see if Seven Havens learns from Korra or if it'll be the same "gee this villain that's critical of society has some good points, OOPS they're evil! back to the good ol' status quo!".

Genuine question for people here: how do you feel when a non-queer author writes a queer character as a "bad person", but also doesn't necessarily feel like a stereotype or like their badness and their queerness are correlated? Is there a nagging uncomfortable feeling wondering if the author has shitty beliefs or do you just take it for what it is?

>>1810
Well the thing is that a fictional character is not a complete human being. Any information about them that is communicated to the audience has some kind of context in the story. For a character's orientation to come up at all is a deliberate choice, which raises the question why the writer made them that way instead of leaving it unspecified. Does it play some role in the story and/or their characterization or is it just added on? If it's the latter it's more likely to come across as just attaching a trait for the purpose of associating it with their general role in the story or qualities associated with them. Like if you are going to make something canon and call attention to it somehow it implies there's a purpose and if you don't make it clear what that is, the audience is going to tend to assume whatever is most obvious about the character.

>>1810
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't honestly you can write a stereotypical character and make them still good by fleshing them out

>>1810
It depends on the execution.
But I think generally speaking homophobic/transphobic authors are not subtle. The only time you'd have that kind of "is it problematic" dilemma is when the character is being written by a well-meaning retard i.e. a cishet liberal.

>>1243
This.
Boring isn't a bad thing.
The problem is, people try to hard to be interesting.

>>1241
I would rather them be "sterile/boring" than have them be portrayed according to patronizing stereotypes of excessive campiness

>>1312
This. Toxic relationships in general are glorified as "valid".
Anything cute and innocent is looked down upon as "fake".

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>>1243
>>1948
if the characters for a story are boring then who will actually like it ?

>>1243
>>1956
>>1948
you need personal conflict in a story it's writing 101 if your LGBT character goes through no conflict and does nothing actually interesting or says/does anything to stand out except to be a queer person that just stands there then that's a shit character

>>1957
So like as if most people wouldn't love a book just because it's featured a queer character(s).

>>2043
if the queer character doesn't go through an actual arc it wouldn't be loved and shouldn't


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