/lgbt/ - LGBT

I don't really think there is a difference between pansexuality and bisexuality. I identify myself with either interchangeably.

>>1288
i have zero knowlegde on the lgbt what the fuck is a pansex

if bi people love men and women, do pan people love men women mtf ftm mtm ftf straight gay superstraight supergay binary queer butch lesbian big hairy muscular guys, no discrimination if they think you're cute they eat your coochie simple as?

>>1294
i like pansexual more than bisexual

>>1294
It seems to me that bisexual is coming to mean attraction to cisgender men and women but pansexual is inclusive of trans folks and other gender identities.

It's a very loosely defined term in contrast to bisexuality, plus like >>1297 the implicit inclusion of other gender identities might come off as subtly transphobic to some people. For instance if you tell a trans man you're dating, that you are pansexual, he might suspect you don't actually see him as a man but some other chronically online queer minority.
Regardless if someone does hate you for being openly pan, to hell with them.

>>1297
Pretty much my conclusion too. Pan seems to be bi + other genders.

>>1297
The original definition of bisexual was attraction regardless of gender. It's a meaningless distinction and I've never met a bi person who was categorically against being with a trans person.

pretentious bis

>>1294
>>1296
same except I just like the bi flag colors better

>>1656
Correct take. Honestly the Pan flag just looks terrible.

>>1668
Reminds me of Neapolitan ice cream.

Bisex is bad branding. If the label means attraction beyond binaries then it should have been named the opposite. Pansex isn't much clearer tho. Means like three things to different people.
To some it's a disclaimer that gender or even anatomy is sexually way less important than other aspects of a person
Or you can be expressly an enby chaser and that's why you can't settle for being called bisex
Or maybe you can't have good sex without breaking the gender binary somehow like crossdressing and pegging

>>1676
I always heard pansexual meant you will have sex with anything. Dogs, trees, cars, couches, etc.

everybody is born bisexual, all other forms of sexual expression are the result of childhood sexual trauma and can be cured with psychotherapy

>>1678
pretty sure everybody is born asexual

>>1679
fetuses masturbating in the womb disagree

>>1288
>im not bi, but ive met some men i would be happy dateing but most disgust me. Same thing for women
Do you think bi people are attracted to literally every member of both genders? Do you think straight guys are attracted to literally all women? That isn't how sexual attraction works for anyone lol
>What i dont understand is the hate toward the term, apart from the normal hate you get from being openly queer
Because it's tumblr as fuck and because there is no functional difference from bisexuality. Those of us old enough to remember how pan was used 15 years ago know it used to be different, it used to be that "pan" meant attraction regardless of sex or gender and bi meant attraction regardless of sex. But now you're not even allowed to be bi in that old sense anymore so what is the difference supposed to be?

>>1678
>everybody is born bisexual

Another case of sexual solipsism

>>2119
>Another case of sexual solipsism
It's projection. I was always exclusively into women. I was a lecher as a toddler for womens only. It's kind of embarassing all the stories they recount about how hot for womens I was from such a young age.

>>2120
A story my mom has repeated to me. She sat me down with a Disney VHS, I watch the thing, it finishes. I start looking through her VHSes and I saw this 80s excercise tape with a woman with a leotard on the cover and I run out to her with the tape saying:
>I want to see pretty lady! I want to see pretty lady!

I remember having a boner too.

>>1678
>everybody is born bisexual, all other forms of sexual expression are the result of childhood sexual trauma and can be cured with psychotherapy
So conversion therapy works then? This is basically "you can educate out homosexuality given the right environment." Many conservatives would rather gays be bisexual anyway because it doesn't really challenge historical heterosexual dominance when discussing interpersonal human romantic and sexual relations.

>>2122
Criticizing conversion therapy on the basis that "it doesn't work" is an iffy argument anyways. People want to and generally should be able to hold onto their sense of identity, including sexual orientation and gender, even though liberal use of LSD could probably turn anyone into the ideal cishet worker drone and they will like it.

>>2128
Not how LSD works, if anything it would force you to confront your sexuality if you were repressing

>>2138
>Not how LSD works
<Lorenz and his colleagues believed that imprints were established at certain neurological critical periods, and that once the critical period had past that whatever had been 'imprinted' was permanent and not subject to change. Leary believed that, similar to other animals, imprints formed in human beings at various chronological stages that effected specific aspects of the intellectual and emotional development of the individual in later life.
<Leary contended, however, that the human nervous system was more sophisticated than that of ducklings and other animals and established that under the proper conditions, content that had been imprinted at earlier critical periods could be accessed and reprogrammed, or "re-imprinted." Leary considered imprints to be associated with certain biochemical states, and believed that if the state could be reaccessed through drugs (such as LSD) a person could be 're-imprinted' and substitute new experiences for those which had originally been associated during the initial imprinting period.
https://www.nlpu.com/Articles/article4.htm
I'm pretty sure LSD would be capable of this with the right method. Even if not i'd say a spectrum of wetware reprogramming methods short of literal lobotomy should exist.

>>2128
>>2141
I've always opposed conversion therapy because in effect you'd see it being used to brusquely change homosexual and transgender identities often to horrendous results.
This does get me thinking
><content that had been imprinted at earlier critical periods could be accessed and reprogrammed, or "re-imprinted."
So how malleable is orientation and gender identity in adulthood? I've heard of HRT changing orientation before, androphilic to gynephlic or gynephilic to androphilic.

>>1288
Retarded discussions like this are why we should never have had an /lgbt/ board. why don't you take your stupidity to /tttt/ OP?

>>1678
>everybody is born bisexual, all other forms of sexual expression are the result of childhood sexual trauma and can be cured with psychotherapy
This. They are hard to cure but naturally change anyway. Every gay man and straight male has to engage in some level of repressive thought policing to maintain their sexual identity.

>>2122
>So conversion therapy works then?
No that specific form of therapy itself is useless. But yeah, sexual personality can and does naturally change in life anyway and psychoanalysis can help with that but not always. People who are gay, straight etc. put up a wall to keep out intrusive thoughts that resist those natural changes in sexual impulse. You can't simply convert someone, but you can pull that wall down (or at least make them aware of it) so they can live a more fulfilling and less closed off life.

>Many conservatives would rather gays be bisexual anyway because it doesn't really challenge historical heterosexual dominance
It depends on the conservative. They have different views. There are many gay conservatives too. Some conservatives have good reason not to like the gay lifestyle. Heterosexual dominance is a myth anyway. I mean, go read Plato or medieval Christians and you'll see its a myth. Catholics believed anyone who has sex is a sinner and the natural state of man is to be an asexual, which was man's primordial state before the fall. People who were free from sex drives were considered morally superior to everyone. Fair enough is that's what they believe. Heterosexuality didn't become a social standard until like the 1900s. Gays and straights have built an entire culture around a mental pathology.

>>2147
You could put [citation needed] after every paragraph of yours and it wouldn't be out of place.

>>2147
being queer as vibes and aura

>>2149
Its just basic psychoanalysis. Freud correctly identified that all humans had homosexual and heterosexual tendencies in their early years that continue to influence them as adults. This was more or less confirmed by Kinsey's studies, which show that there are actually few pure heterosexuals and homosexuals and most people cannot be strictly classed as either. We've known this for a long time. Homosexuality is a pathology as Freud explains its origins in childhood experiences and early puberty. This is well known already.

>>2186
>Its just basic psychoanalysis
so, bullshit lmfao

>>2192
There is more bullshit in Marxism than psychoanalysis. Marxism is batshit and anyone who believes in that stuff is a retard.

is it any coincidence that the majority of people who identify as "pansexual" are in fact heterosexual white women

>>2193
>there is more bullshit in scientific analysis than pseudoscience
lolk

I once knew a bisexual girl who told me she identified as pansexual because she was hoping to avoid stereotypes of bisexual promiscuity. I've also known bisexuals who call themselves pansexual just because they were trying to put on some bullshit romanticization of their bisexuality. In most cases they were not even into trans people. I think the term only has limited usefulness as a way of saying you're bisexual and not against being with a trans man or trans woman but in most cases this is dishonest because like with anyone it would differ case by case and this usage carries with it an implication it's out of the ordinary to be attracted to someone bisexual to be into someone trans. The definition of it being someone who cares more about the person than their gender is pure bullshit attention seeking narcissism. Also for whatever reason polysexual is no where used as often as pansexual which would be just a lesser degree of same thing, there has to be a reason for that.

Isn't Pansexuality just bisexuality with extra steps?

>>1288
Pansexuality is a fixation on some greater ideal that both conventional male and female beauty seem to embody. To a pansexual, men and women are attractive in the same way because their different attractive features accomplish the same things, to speak.

>Why do people hate pansexuals?
its just weird and not part of the standard 4 letters (tho u could argue its another way to say bisexual)

Because a pansexual person broke my heart. I won't elaborate. But actually I don't hate you, I just think you are just bisexuals with a fancy label and that's it.

as someone who is pan, i think its just so misunderstood and people often let their egos get in the way

i dated a pansexual guy once he sucked he was super creepy and a chaser and he groped my ass when I didn't want him to.