/lgbt/ - LGBT

>>1313
Are you simply indifferent to men or do you dislike how most of them usually act? I'm polite to the men i interact with, but they unnerve me on some level and i don't feel bad about that. Men exist contingent on historical sex roles, that doesn't make them any less human or worth connecting with in other ways though.
>comphet
I may be weird about this, but far more often i think about types of attraction rather than any target. I unironically think sex is political and femboys are fascist. When you say you're not into men, i think you're vocalizing a deeper realization, that most men would not offer you the kind of relationship you would want from them. Especially your comment about anime made me think about this, calling yourself bisexual could then be self-assurance you're not "discriminating" against men for arbitrary reasons, only you might never find one you genuinely like. sorry if this seems invasive, i just like rationalizing these kinds of things

>>1315
No, I'm not really unerved by men or anything. It is true that I don't want to really be discrimating against anyone though. I just don't really like the idea of a straight relationship, not because I hate men or anything, but because of all the social aspects that make up such a thing. Also the idea of straight sex is just not appealing to me at all. I think male bodies can be beautiful when with other male bodies, and if I was a man or maybe not as far along in my transition maybe I could see myself as that man better, but right now I just don't see anything sexually appealing in the male body. Maybe I am gaysexual and had a gay to gay transition. But really I think I've always been more into women but I just forced myself to be gay because I hated myself being in a straight relationship because it seemed disgusting to me. And yeah I think generally being with women, especially other trans women, is just a lot easier and there is so much less weird expectations or gross things the other partner does in it.

I don't want to be like the homophobes who hate people just because of what they find aesthetically unpleasing, and I don't want to see anyone as lesser. And I find it weird when people say they are unnerved by men. Most men and women act the same on an individual basis, it is just societally that you get these stupid relationship dynamics. Basically I'm ultra woke, more woke than the wokes who hate all men, I'm so woke I want everyone to be completely equal.

>>1313
Dumb shit. Sexual attraction is not politically meaningful. Unless you're a booklet anarchist.

>am i weird for being an ideological dumb fuck
no thats pretty par for the course sadly

>>1316
>the idea of straight sex is just not appealing to me at all
So much this! You could have gay sex with a man, but most wouldn't want to.
>I don't want to be like the homophobes who hate people just because of what they find aesthetically unpleasing
I think aversions are fine as long as you can rationalize them somehow, i have others i know are objectively bad and haven't managed to work through (arabian-looking people are "normal" to me because i grew up around them but i feel distant to black people). I know i can trust myself to be courteous when interacting with them regardless, only what worries me is that it seems to be easier for me to close myself off to harmful things than to open myself to new things and i might be insulating myself to an unhealthy degree.

>>1317
It was more of a bait title tbh, I absolutely do not want to do political lesbianism 2.0. It's more the idea of having a sexuality that is not entirely down to what you personally desire, but what you think your sexuality should be. So basically what queer people have been experiencing for a long time but kind of reversed.

>>1324
Obviously all sexuality has always mostly been down to what is most convenient / what is 'right', not what the individual personally wants. I think over psychoanalyzing is as stupid as anyone else but I just had the idea of political bisexuality stuck in my head for a while.

Engels and Marx obviously talk about this. In the end what matters most is the material benifit of entering a relationship / marriage. This is why bourgeois marriages were far worse for the woman. I don't remember what Engels writes exactly since I have not read On the origins of family, private property and the state since I was a teenager, but he said something along the lines of how once bourgeois marriages have been abolished we can have real monogamy, because there would be no economic incentive in it. This is how I write relationships between the socialists when I write fiction. I wish I could make a better comment here because I feel like I'm on the brink of making an analysis, but I'm too confused and probably not in the best condition to make it right now.

I lack context for the political lesbianism thing, but I feel like bisexual/pansexual characters are easier to write since you just don't lock them in to a particular gender preference. I think bisexuality will become more common with representation that would result of more authors realizing that.

>>1324
Mate, I say this in a kind way, I think you would benefit from therapy. These things are not worth ruminating on, and we both know it. The fact that you do makes me think you would benefit from talking about your feelings a bit more. I feel there's more to it than just the political aspect.

Sexual attraction is insanely context dependant. Sure, I like guys basically exclusively, but given the right circumstances, I wouldn't be shocked if I did something with a woman. "Prison gay" is a thing. Young adolescents do gay shit all the time. Sexuality is way more dynamic than these solipsistic "gay, bi, etc" labels make it out to seem.

>>1331
I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about this, in fact I think an imageboard is the best place to. Sometimes its good to discuss your thoughts without commiting to a serious political statement.

Peronsally I would never see a therapist, I don't trust them. It's much healthier to talk about this with random people or your friends tbh, that's what I always do.

>>1313
I (cis man) have tried to make myself attracted to women, not for self hating reasons, but because I want to understand and vibe with all people's sexualities, so I think I kind of get you.
It just doesn't work all that well. I see glimpses of heterosexuality every once in a while (and have jerked off to yuri frequently since I was 16), but I still don't think I'm really fully bi.

I feel like part of the reason I usually feel so distant from heterosexuality is heterosexuality is so tied in with a specific form of sexual hierarchy that I want nothing to do with. I don't think sexual hierarchies are necessarily bad, but I despise the ones of today: "aura", "alpha" "confidence" etc all feel like scams with nothing backing them up. It exists in gay stuff too, but less so (or at least it feels more tongue in cheek?), its very difficult for me to imagine fucking a women as a man without feeling over whether I "deserve" her on that level, or she's bequeathing me with value or something, or judging me by standards which I don't want to be judged. I'd guess that's largely a me problem, but I'd also guess it isn't entirely.

I think most people nowadays think that the only "ideal" sexualities are ace or bi. Just don't beat yourself up over it. A lot of gays and lezes have been put in torture camps and killed themselves trying to get attracted to people they thought they were supposed to, so while personally I'm not going to stop in the near term, we have to acknowledge that it might not even be possible, and in any case it isn't a big deal.