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Not reporting is bourgeois


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What the fuck was up with communist parties back then associating being gay with the petit-bourgeoisie? What exactly about fucking a dude is petit-bourgeois?
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>>1375
>communist parties back then associating being gay with the petit-bourgeoisie?
Not going to waste an hour reading the entire thread, but lots of Marxist-Leninist parties are still like this today.
The Greek communist party (KKE) is still very anti-LGBT, in Britain there's two ML parties, one which is still very anti-LGBT (CPGB-ML) and one which accepts LGB but not T (CPB).

>>1436
>Wholesome Family-Friendly Christian Cuckoldry.
Thanks for the fap Agent Kochinski.

If party has transphobic chuds it is a bad party, shrimple as.

>Be OP (faggot)
>Not gonna have kids
>Paid wages same as breeder coworkers
>Wages are priced in for having kids i.e. the reproduction of labor power
>Can instead accumulate that surplus capital and reinvest
>Bourgeois aspirations and class consciousness naturally follow
It's basic Marxism. Not going to generalize too much because there absolutely are gay proletarians, but they have an advantage in petit-bourgeois striving.(POST LEFT UP TO BE MOCKED AND RIDICULED)

>>1447
Holy shit. Impeccable material analisys

Communist parties back then either did nothing to prevent feds from taking over or immolated themselves by fedjacketing because they didn't have as robust understanding of how to deal with abusing behavior and that if they did the feds would just leave or not be capable of anything other than being a security risk.

>>1447
But homosexuals adopt kids. Single incels are more bougeosie. Homosexuals do have kids

>>1447
Go back to your discord, Haz.

>>1386
>I don't really think of a small business owner or landlord when I think of the LGBTQ community. I think of food service workers, hospital workers, teachers, and folks in the entertainment industry for the most part - all members of the proletariat.
I was thinking flight attendants, one of the most stereotypically gay male profesions.

i dont care who fucks who, if you want to murder elon you are a comrade

I was looking up pics of striking flight attendants and DAMN

>>1447
isn t this professor William Paul cockshott's argument?

>>1454
these men like to be pretty and should be critically supported

There's nothing bourgeois about LGBT+ people.
What's bourgeois is the way that capitalism is co-opting the identity to reduce it to a marketing demographic.

Why isn't this thread on >>>/LGBT/ ?

>>1405
also it ignores that gay people want to adopt but are often prevented from doing so due to discrimination. So I really don't get the argument that "oooooh you're not doing your party of reproducing the work force" when so many straights abandon their kids and then LGBT aren't allowed to adopt for not being "normal"

t. was raised by lesbians

>>1445
he was also a god builder and lenin thoroughly rebuked him for that spooky nonsense. anyway not an argument

One doesnt have to read theory to know that homosexuals can have children. Therefore, cockshot is stupid

>communist parties are communist because they call themselves so
cmon you gotta try harder

>>1377
>>1379
>>1401
>cockshott
>intellectual grifter (like all intellectuals) who turns marx's critique of political economy into political economy played straight
lol aight

>>1464
Dumb argument to make tbh. They're communist but their intellectual capacity is absolute garbage. Just see the KKE and the dumb shit they publish. Unfortunately, due to living in the blackest reaction, communist parties in the west are absolute garbage.

I don't understand how people can read Marxist theory and come out not understanding the fundamental notions of it. Instead it feels like they memorized terms and apply their morality on top.

CPGB-ML and CPB as mentioned too. But also the so-called anti-campists on this board. Apparently 0 reading. We're so lost in the west, and I don't see a way out.

>>1466
>They're communist
<no connection to strike committees or trade unions whatsoever
whats with all the marxflaggots posting nothing but absolute dogshit this past month

>>1468
marxflag this past month is pretty much just me.
A communist party doesn't necessarily need to have trade unions or whatever other criteria you pulled out of your ass. Accept that communists in the west are by and large dogshit. It's time to face reality and not hide behind no-true-scottsmans.

>>1458
tbh i didn't know if people even used the boards other than /leftypil/

homosexuality was seen as "decadent" (probably the enjoyment of sex in general as well)
stalinist parties tried to replicate a kind of conservative industrial work ethic which also meant to have a mass appeal to peasantry, is the best explanation i can come up with

>>1476
see also the "new soviet man" archetype that was pushed a lot
also the soviet woman archetype who was increasingly depicted as a baby oven

>>1375
I don't really have any stake in the argument about gays being bourgeois
As a whole though, as a group, we're very alienated (despite / because of all the awesome kinky hookups, hedonism, international travel, etc that we're "enjoying")
https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/gay-loneliness/

I find str8s tend to project this fantasy onto LGBT people being completely liberated when that's not actually the case

>>1476
The Soviet union was a backwater largely peasant uneducated society. I don't know why Marxists pretend this doesn't have an influence on the ideology present in various parts of society. As if by establishing a communist state, it eliminated all social ills instantly and everyone suddenly became a Marxist scholar, a historian, and a scientist.

It's no surprise that people like Haz and the schizos at ACP, or the CPGB-ML exists. Or that the rather well read but poorly socialized first worlder semi-autistic shut ins that haven't done a second of praxis in their lives that lurk around here have absolute dog shit takes. It's almost as if Marx wrote about this somewhere.

>>1477
only if you cherrypick and ignore the material reality. the soviet union was a country where women became engineers, post-soviet russia is the world capital of sex trafficking

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>>1485
>the soviet union was a country where women became engineers
>became
Uhmm actually they were pushed into it by the regime. Glad that's over.

>>1465
>anti intellectualism
>thinking about things is grifting
>scientists, inventors, engineers, mathematicians, medical professionals, all grifters
out of all the legit criticisms one can have of paulie dickblast, this is not one of them

post examples of working class gays for science you retards

>>1401
>The communist understanding of sexuality has, since the counter-revolutions in Europe in 1989 and the dissolution of the USSR, been conveniently buried and forgotten.
What a retarded sentence.
How the fuck can you come to the conclusion that homophobia is a cornerstone of communism? It's about as ridiculous as arguing that phrenology is a cornerstone of biology. Just because a lot of people were engaging in it at one time doesn't mean it's an essential aspect of the movement. Science is constantly changing and adapting to new information and ways of thinking.
Cockshott uses this statement to poorly launder (what he thinks is) a more "palatable" homophobia that has "nuanced" "dialectical" positions. Oh gay men are bad but lesbians are fine. How convenient for a straight old boomer. Impressive, very nice, now let's see your search history.

>>1492
Me. ←—

>>1484
Also even though the USSR had state atheism there was still a lot of religion, underground churches that the state couldn't reasonably get rid of. Hence why religious belief seemingly skyrocketed in Russia post-USSR.

>>1492
I literally work moving crates in an exploitative supermarket

>>1491
>>1465
samefag cockshott shill

>>1476
They should have just gulaged the conservatives as the obvious counter-revolutionaries they would prove to be.
When china had racist riots they just shot the conservatards and that was settled. Either re-educate or shoot.

>>1492
I work in a literal factory

>>1505
Whats the issue with Dickblast?

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>A majority of Clevelanders surveyed seem to agree is that it is a city of couples. A high percentage of those interviewed by The ADVOCATE were, themselves, currently involved in primary relationships of one to 16 years in duration.

>"There seems to be a tendency in Cleveland for people to couple up instead of remaining single," David Feltham notes. "It's that kind of town. But as a result, everybody is into their own little social group and un-willing to let other people in. It is very cliquish in Cleveland."


https://reddit.com/r/rsforgays/comments/1ki25p6/advocate_archives_cleveland_ohio_edition_1979/


Saw these profiles from the Advocate of gay men living in Cleveland around 1979, some of them poor and proletarian.
Interesting that nearly all of them are monogamous, very different to what was happening in Los Angeles, NYC, SF at the time.

>>1506
The party was also filled with people who weren't really good Marxists plus they simply couldn't escape their historically contingent moment. If centuries later people like cockshott can't do it either, with mountains and mountains of research into the topic of homosexuality in a huge variety of fields, there was not a lot of hope for the burgeoning soviet republic. Even then, people forget how homophobic the entire west was. The DDR was groundbreaking in this regard. Everywhere else in the west was absolutely horrible.
>>1509
>>1507
Just mathematically it doesn't make sense that gays are bourgeois. Plus there have been many studies that confirm that incidence of homosexuality is pretty uniform independent of time and place, not to mention that people seemingly have a set sexuality since very very early in life, which wouldn't make sense with the class component angle.

>>1485
its complicated
the soviet union made a lot of leaps in reforming rights in favor of women, and industrialization freed a lot of them from patriarchal peasant life, but under stalin these developments were curbed a bit

>>1561
Yeppp. Stalin was responsible for every single decision taken by the central committee. Especially the bad ones.

>>1563
yeah i guess smol bean stalin literal chief executive wasnt responsible for anything

Guys, is le gender acceleration le real?

>>1375
probably because homosexuality was tolerated in some upper class circles like boarding schools meanwhile poorer fags just got bullied into remaining in the closet

>>1492
me and your dad for example

>>1387
well is not called GAY fully automated luxury space communism for nothing

>>1459
Def this. I don't remember how it worked in the actual legality of it, but I had a friend who was also raised by lesbian parents. And those two lesbian parents had to do this insane bullshit legal loophole where they had to legally adopt each other and then adopt a kid. It was weird. One of the moms is a lawyer and is still unbelievably pissed even thinking about it because it was so difficult to do.


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