What the fuck was up with communist parties back then associating being gay with the petit-bourgeoisie? What exactly about fucking a dude is petit-bourgeois?
87 posts and 13 image replies omitted.>>1476see also the "new soviet man" archetype that was pushed a lot
also the soviet woman archetype who was increasingly depicted as a baby oven
>>1375I don't really have any stake in the argument about gays being bourgeois
As a whole though, as a group, we're very alienated (despite / because of all the awesome kinky hookups, hedonism, international travel, etc that we're "enjoying")
https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/gay-loneliness/I find str8s tend to project this fantasy onto LGBT people being completely liberated when that's not actually the case
>>1476The Soviet union was a backwater largely peasant uneducated society. I don't know why Marxists pretend this doesn't have an influence on the ideology present in various parts of society. As if by establishing a communist state, it eliminated all social ills instantly and everyone suddenly became a Marxist scholar, a historian, and a scientist.
It's no surprise that people like Haz and the schizos at ACP, or the CPGB-ML exists. Or that the rather well read but poorly socialized first worlder semi-autistic shut ins that haven't done a second of praxis in their lives that lurk around here have absolute dog shit takes. It's almost as if Marx wrote about this somewhere.
>>1401>The communist understanding of sexuality has, since the counter-revolutions in Europe in 1989 and the dissolution of the USSR, been conveniently buried and forgotten.What a retarded sentence.
How the fuck can you come to the conclusion that homophobia is a cornerstone of communism? It's about as ridiculous as arguing that phrenology is a cornerstone of biology. Just because a lot of people were engaging in it at one time doesn't mean it's an essential aspect of the movement. Science is constantly changing and adapting to new information and ways of thinking.
Cockshott uses this statement to poorly launder (what he thinks is) a more "palatable" homophobia that has "nuanced" "dialectical" positions. Oh gay men are bad but lesbians are fine. How convenient for a straight old boomer. Impressive, very nice, now let's see your search history.
>>1476They should have just gulaged the conservatives as the obvious counter-revolutionaries they would prove to be.
When china had racist riots they just shot the conservatards and that was settled. Either re-educate or shoot.
>A majority of Clevelanders surveyed seem to agree is that it is a city of couples. A high percentage of those interviewed by The ADVOCATE were, themselves, currently involved in primary relationships of one to 16 years in duration.
>"There seems to be a tendency in Cleveland for people to couple up instead of remaining single," David Feltham notes. "It's that kind of town. But as a result, everybody is into their own little social group and un-willing to let other people in. It is very cliquish in Cleveland."https://reddit.com/r/rsforgays/comments/1ki25p6/advocate_archives_cleveland_ohio_edition_1979/Saw these profiles from the Advocate of gay men living in Cleveland around 1979, some of them poor and proletarian.
Interesting that nearly all of them are monogamous, very different to what was happening in Los Angeles, NYC, SF at the time.
>>1506The party was also filled with people who weren't really good Marxists plus they simply couldn't escape their historically contingent moment. If centuries later people like cockshott can't do it either, with mountains and mountains of research into the topic of homosexuality in a huge variety of fields, there was not a lot of hope for the burgeoning soviet republic. Even then, people forget how homophobic the entire west was. The DDR was groundbreaking in this regard. Everywhere else in the west was absolutely horrible.
>>1509>>1507Just mathematically it doesn't make sense that gays are bourgeois. Plus there have been many studies that confirm that incidence of homosexuality is pretty uniform independent of time and place, not to mention that people seemingly have a set sexuality since very very early in life, which wouldn't make sense with the class component angle.
>>1485its complicated
the soviet union made a lot of leaps in reforming rights in favor of women, and industrialization freed a lot of them from patriarchal peasant life, but under stalin these developments were curbed a bit
>>1382typical of the Anti-Cockshottists
They already decided that the man is wrong even before watching his videos
>>1477lmao the first pic you posted represents the women working on a construction site, skiing, singing, and giving a speech
how the hell is she 'just a baby oven'?
>>1477the second pic that you posted says "Glory to the Heroic Mother"
Well, it is a poster about glorifying mothers, of course it is going to represent a mother in it lol
>>3250>the porkie gay has the means to easily have fun without consequences nor being noticedeh not true
booj men used to get arrested for homosexuality too
also booj gays have a material interest in staying closeted since they can be cut off from inheriting wealth because of it
it's an interclass stigma
>>1377Feed on cock snot, got 'em
>>1379>his dumbass barista video as an example. Like, he's right that they don't fit the exact definition of a proletariat,nah, the proletariat is defined as the class who pushes history forward. Some random gamerchair PMC dork is not doing that shit nearly as much as a unionized workforce engaging in collective struggle lets be real lol
>>1393>bankers create surplus value. cockshit is imperialisthttps://www.top1000funds.com/2024/07/profiting-from-war-europes-pension-funds-mull-investing-in-defence/ >>3244the first poster was drawn earlier, so yeah it's less chud-ish than the second one
its meant to show the regressive trend
>>3373*for being a male
btw, why have you stopped glowing recently? are you an imitator or have you become part of the janoid clique
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