/lgbt/ - LGBT

how do i unlearn transmedicalist retardation?

it just feels like what Evola is to Hitler

"er i'm not a nazi, i'm actually a natsoc"

trainknee you're still just a more coward Blanchardist

hate yourself all the way or don't hate yourself, quit being a bitch about it.

>inb4
i'm a trans-esoterist i don't need hecking science to justify my existence, as far as i care god wants me to suffer and that's the reason why i'm a transhumanister

>>2414
All the shit you posted is closer to philosophy bullshit than not, including all that load of crap about "male socialisation".

>i'm a trans-esoterist
No wonder all your posts are dogshit.

>>2414
How do I remove this people from existing as I want to help the sick and the poor?

>>2412
I usually protest pride because it has the police and zionist companies taking part but idk if it's going to be happening this year.

>>2414
This is pure brainworms, I don't even undersatand the message you are trying to get across. God can't hate you since he doesn't exist.

>>2414
Read German ideology, sabniyak bb.
Also read Butler, Engels, Gender acc manifesto.

>>2420

i didn't said god hates me i said he wants me to suffer.

>>2424

dad has a Butler bookie imma check it

>>2424
>Butler
AHAHAHAH

>>2426

let's see anon's book recommendations

>>2418
>>2427
You're so painfully illiterate literally any book that could help with your reading comprehension would work. Work on that mental retardation first.

>>2428

You don't have anything, got it.

>>2414
zizek unironically, his first book "the sublime object of ideology". it's garbage and he chuddified now but I have read your posts and it is the type of stuff you would like

or any critical theory from adorno onward. I personally think it is all useless slop but you sound like you need it

>>2431

i legitimately enjoy Zizek lectures before he starts going on doomer rants.
and then trying to justify his doomerism as some sort of praxis for some reason.

"Male socialisation" isn't the problem.
Machismo is.

>>2430
You can't read and are also mentally deranged. I recommend a psych ward instead.

>>2431
>>2432
Yeah retarded pseuds love garbage like Adorno and Zizek because it's literally just literary critique with leftoid buzzwords on top. Materialist analysts read Gramsci instead.

>>2440

you know you can just share with people the things you like without trying to undermine what they like and failing miserably right?

>>2414
>transmedicalist
>"transhumanisty3.jpg"
>rest of thread is bait
gay bait
this is why we discourage namefags

>>2446

First day here?

>>2436
What does male socialization even mean? Is it just covert transphobia (that's what I'm assuming it is because some of my FTM friends get so angry about hearing 'female socialized' on the internet)

>>2451
>>2436
Male socialization is the imposition of male gender roles onto men. Nothing more, nothing less.
Male gender roles are heavily imbued with feudal property relations ideology, machismo, toxic masculinity, and misogyny. The reproduction of gender is nothing more than the result of the reproduction of ideology, reproduction of production, and reproduction of society more generally, which are all aspects of the same thing.

"The problem" as the other fucking retard put it, is not "male socialization". Fucking liberal drooling moronic posters who should be locked, drugged with amphetamine, and forced to read theory are correct in this minor point by mistake only. "The problem" is that we live in a class society which is not for itself. I'll dumb it down a thousand orders of magnitude for the other fucking booklet to perhaps get a glimpse of understanding. The problem is that capitalism maintains these gender roles (machismo) and our collective daily activities sustain the capitalist system. Unless we can break this cycle, we will be condemned with living with machismo or these gender roles, for as long as they remain reproduced. We are at the whim of the system.

>>2450
your baitting with an gay ass namefaging here is new here
it was nice for 3 days in lgbt

>>2454

If only Shay was here

Real talk how does "Male socialization" and "Patriarchy"

relate to actual class and violence/power dynamics?

how do we replace a patriarchal justice system still based and backed by a bastardized version of honor?

am i really wrong for not wanting to let people walk over me and going an eye for 3 eyes? probably

i understand how patriarchal structures promotes maladaptive behaviors but what is the alternative?

>>2459
people that talk about "male socialization" and "patriarchy" are typically speaking fascistic types who like to shame male behaviour because it inherently questions their fascist rule. The objective to most who speak of this is an "upper class" of women and "feminine enough" [see: wealthy, white, and attractive enough] men, who are protected by an underclass of shamed masculine people, ranging from 99% of cis-het men to a handful of butch women and a few trans men.

This idea that masculinity and maleness is wicked and evil while femininity is not is a clearly bigoted and wicked idea. Men will beat you to death. Women will get men to beat you to death. There is no difference. Men and women are equally trash, equally trash as people are trash. People are people, flawed and strange. Some men want to suck turds out of women's assholes [real thing i heard on a construction site], some women would give themselves up for a pedophile family-murdering vampire. Some men are heroes who provide for those they love, protect those who require protection, and empower everyone around them to provide and protect as they do. Some women are angels who show care for everyone, who ensure everyone is tended to and nobody is swept under the rug.

But the reality is that masculinity is shamed because when masculinity and femininity are allowed to healthily combine, necessary revolution and progress occurs, and this would mean for a lot of people who right now talk about "the patriarchy" that they need to go out and get a fucking job and be held accountable for their constant manipulation and emotional abuse.

You said it yourself; "they" don't like "masculinity" because it means you STOP letting people walk all over you. Be it a privileged white girl and her boyfriend from the same gated community, be it a cop waving a rifle for the bourgeoisie.

"male socialization" is the funniest terf talking point, like clearly if that had gone well i wouldnt be here lol

the effect of male socialization under patriarchy ends up being "ew, thats what men are supposed to do? no fucking thanks" so no those biologically essentialist talking points do not work

>>2451
male socialization is abuse that AMAB children go through to prevent them from saying "no, i don't think i'll subsidize a horrifically exploitative state. i think instead i will respond to injustice, with violence."

>>2489

you got a point (mine) but you still feel like you're still hardstuck on trying to make a case about men being the victims here, and they are but they are not THE victims.

if you're so worried about who's holding the stick let's call it even and say, if i wanna beat someone to death i'll have both men and women do the beating (including me because i like hurting people)

>>2452
>Male socialization is the imposition of male gender roles onto men…capitalism maintains these gender roles (machismo)
made me think of how Death Panel podcast often talks about "the Sociological production of the end of the covid pandemic". https://thenewinquiry.com/the-year-the-pandemic-ended-part-1/

Covid19 is still here!…but there was a concerted effort from all levels, from media to science to politics, to change our behaviors and change the ways we think to be more aligned with bourgeois capitalist social relations

>>2489
>>2494

i need to come back to this because i'm doing an essay on it

what do we do about the dichotomy of male/female violence?

how do we get from male violence as a thesis, female violence as the antithesis?

and elevate/anhilate them into a tangible concept?

my essay is about how WARHAMMER went from ironic representation of male violence into a celebration of it

i can't find an ecquivalent as antithesis but i'm set on finding it or making it

>>2494
>you got a point (mine) but you still feel like you're still hardstuck on trying to make a case about men being the victims here, and they are but they are not THE victims.
<you're a victim right
<but you're not THE victim
what is this supposed to mean? do you wnat to make this shit into a competition or something? i thought males were supposed to be the sex obsessed with competition and shit, but no, i guess not.

Seriously, when will this psychotic shit end? I dare say that men are victims of abuse, and it's clear if you actually open your goddamn eyes that yes there is mass amounts of abuse that men are victims of. Some of the abuse is perpetrated by older men, some of the abuse is perpetrated by older women, some of the abuse is perpetrated in imitation of adults by children towards other children. But at no point is this a competition. At no point do I want to try to have a virtual pissing contest over who was sexually assaulted in a worse way.

BUT SABINY WILL! BECAUSE VICTIMHOOD IS A COMPETITION IN THE EYES OF FALSE-VICTIMS.
IF IT WASN'T, THEN THOSE OBSESSED WITH BEING "THE" VICTIMS WOULD BE SWIFTLY IDENTIFIED AS ANYTHING BUT, AND APPROPRIATELY TOLD TO LEAVE THE CONVERSATION.

>>2500

nice projection, but i like being the one to escalates violence first.

the fact you're this obsessed about not making it "a competition" the moment i mention non males often get the short end of the stick in the patriarchal structures we suddenly can't quantify pain

it's so malebrained that notion of "might makes right until i say it isn't"
it just makes sense

the fact i was invested in taking you seriously
while you were just looking for a reason to jump at me

you couldn't even escalate violence first
you had to be the victimized one, "the reasonable one".

>>2501
the fact that you are literally trying to deny what im calling you out for, openly, publicly, and for everyone to see with ledgers of each statement made is fucking gold.
I called you out for trying to make things a competition, and now you're crying out that you didn't mean what you said, that you didn't infer men weren't victims when you wanted to overtly create a special status as "THE" victim, shows the world how dishonest people of a certain ilk, your ilk, are.
If you really wanted to express an idea that "although men suffer immensely, women generally get the worst of it" - an idea that, although makes sense at first, collapses when you start arguing if being murdered in cold blood for essentially being ugly and poor and not having ovaries is any better or worse than being raped for being a woman. One gets to live, the other gets to have dignity - you would say it outright, not silently try to dismiss my concerns for the male sex.
Enjoy the hole as much as you're enjoying digging.

>>2502

>"you wanted to overtly create a special status as "THE" victim"

no, you dumb faggot, the point was literally you claiming "men get shamed for being men >:("

you're the one that were trying to get into the victim role while i was actively avoiding the topic by condensing it and going back to the topic of violence

again, your attempt at threadjacking ends up failing miserably

put words in my mouth all you want, everyone knows you're just a salty faggot who tries to make every serious thread about your conflicted self.

>"you would say it outright, not silently try to dismiss my concerns for the male sex."

Woe you, middle class gayboy.

>>2503
>no, you dumb faggot, the point was literally you claiming "men get shamed for being men >:("
and the point is that you wanted to make it a competition. what I said is true, end of. Get out.

>>2504

Suure, it's a competition, and I won.

>>2491
Male socialisation by itself isn't abusive. It's the machismo imposed on boys that is.

Anyone who grew up in second and third world would see that girls would rough house and room just like boys do. Even if they like girly things.

>>2489
>>2490
As a general rule, anytime I say any article talking about male nature and it has a feminist/progressive author, it's gonna be shit.
They take the most comical stereotypes and try to essentialise it as male nature.

Irony is, when men behave the exact opposite of said stereotypes, these same authors will then complain about men not behaving like men.