Im sure you guys have noticed that people on this site do that thing that is just a carry over from 4chan where people call each other "Newf-word," "Oldf-word," "Draw-word," or whatever, (Can straight people type out the F-slur in this context? I'd rather not find out the hard way) I never personally did that shit myself because I have queer friend who DEFINITELY don't think straight people like me should say that shit and even if they won't know my conscience would feel heavy. But I know that queer people are not a monolith and I was wondering what the majority of people here think of it even if I won't use it either way obviously. I can already image 5 different responses,
1. Most Lgbtqianons people are okay with it
2. Most are not okay with it but don't bother calling it about because they will be labeled "Idpol"
3. Nobody cares
4. It turns out that most people on this site who do that are actually gay themselves
5. A mix of all of the above
having known a lot of people who were socialized by imageboard culture when they were repressed/confused teenagers and then later ended up coming out as some form of queer, which includes myself, I think more queer imageboard users should simply claim this aspect of the culture for ourselves. anyone who uses imageboards is probably a faggot and just doesn't know it yet or is in denial of it. imageboard culture will never recover from the scourge of Stormfront astroturfing until we institute a comphomo regime on every non-fascist imageboard.
besides that, calling people "faggot" is so tame and benign these days compared to the slurs that exist specifically for transfems, who also receive the blunt of hysterical reactionary bigotry these days.
>>5883Are you fucking 12? Stop censoring yourself, nobody gives a shit if you say fag.
Faggot is like the n word.
Only faggots can say faggot.
I should know, I'm a faggot.
>>5887>Why so mean about it though?Sorry, just tired of how sanitized the internet has become in the last few years.
I don't know but it's like part of image board culture to me, which is a good thing to have in the time and place the modern internet is in. They are slurs to the point that I would be a little weirded if people were using those terms "properly" on a non-image board website, but it's comfy on image boards
>>5890>Sorry, just tired of how sanitized the internet has become in the last few years.What are you talking about? Look at twitter! If anything the Internet is less sanitized now ever since the Elon twitter takeover and the Rise of Andrew Tate and stuff back in 2022.
>>5892Tons of websites force people to censor themselves now because even inoffensive swears or words like "kill" trip the shadowbans. Shitter is basically a worse 4chan at this point so that doesn't really count (not to mention it still employs censorship, just not censorship of the same things most places do).
>>5892the sanitized nature of the internet these days depends on the context of which faction of the rotting kleptocratic American regime is trying to dominate a particular space. lots of people have already made the observation that the right has become a mirror image of woke cancel culture shit except their censorship is for when someone says something mean about a pedophile rapist billionaire or one of their grifter propagandists like Charlie Kirk. imageboard culture is the only semblance left of a truly free internet indiscriminately calling people faggots is our rallying cry.
imageboard culture must be force-faggotized because every faction of the ruling class is united in trying to make it illegal to be an unapologetic edgy queer.
It depends on the context.
If you call a gay or trans person a faggot, provided you knew they were trans or gay, it's unforgivable vulgarity.
Otherwise, it's normal.
>>5883 I'm bisexual (a
bifag, if you will) and I come from a culture where our equivalent for "faggot" is casually used and thrown around with the same meaning as "dude". So I tend to agree with
>>5884. But I totally understand people who don't want to see or hear it. I wouldn't oppose if the rest of the queer imageboard userbase wanted to change it,
If I were you I would use "fren" or "friend" instead of "fag", like I do. It completely looses the original edgy connotation but I don't care. I will always refer to drawfriends as drawfrens.
>>5885>nobody gives a shit if you say fagOP's queer friend gives a shit, and OP gives a shit about their queer friend
>>5894That makes since and I get what your saying, If you wanna say the F-word go ahead but just don't wonder why hetmoids like me refuse to say it. everyones opinion is conflicting so I would rather censor myself with euphemisms.
>>5897>OP's queer friend gives a shit, and OP gives a shit about their queer friendThanks for understanding.
>>5897>OP's queer friend gives a shit, and OP gives a shit about their queer friendI mean nobody who uses this website more than once in a blue moon gives a shit, obviously there are human beings in existence who care.
>>5883The term should be rejected because 4chan-derived imageboard culture is an embarrassing cancer, not because it's homophobic. This is especially the case on leftypol.org, which should understand it as a culturally independent entity rather than a lefty spin on 4chan. Find new and creative and interesting ways of saying and doing things. If you find yourself spouting cliches and repetitive phrases, it's usually a sign you're saying nothing of value and should be away doing some more productive hobby.
>>5884imageboard culture will only thrive when imageboards understand themselves as individual sites and forums rather than part of "chan culture", if right wingers want "chan culture" let them have it and then let it pass into history like all the faggotry of IRC. this site is a perfect 50/50 split between being ruined by the idiot brainworms of chan culture faggots and being ruined by the brainworms of pseudoleftists.
>>5885Censorship is the wrong frame of mind to have when it comes to questions of taste. You are not censoring yourself when you use a fork to eat pasta instead of your fingers. You are not freely expressing yourself when you do the opposite out of some sense that it's the done-thing in some finger-pasta culture.
Many debates which are ostensibly about speech rights are really just about taste. 95% of the time someone spouts slurs, it's because they're doing it for shock value to cover up the fact they aren't funny, or because they're from a culture that started that way and now thinks repetition in-and-of itself is funny.
>>5893There is not, in fundamental principle, a problem with forcing people to "censor" themselves. If they have something to say and they do not say it, that's a problem. If, however, they have something to say and re-word it to work around the censorship, that is very desirable indeed because it forces them to be creative. After being told to kys 15,000 times, it will be funny the first time you are told to unalive yourself in minecraft. Once that gets boring, nuke that too and have people tell you that you're overdue for your next roll on the wheel of reincarnation.
>>5894chan culture is the most degenerated and unfree form of internet culture today because it has no vitality. calling people faggots in the *chan sense is bad not because it's offensive or inappropriate or socially unacceptable, but because it's fossilized nonsense from more than 20 years ago. "faggot" and "-fag" should be expunged, if nothing else, to force a break with the past. (a past which, we now know, leads only to the ugly present.) twitter screenshot threads don't become good just because you can call people f-slur and n-slur with rapeape's approval.
more new and exciting things are being done in basically every other website format, which is a dismal failure because the basic software-structure of imageboards is ideally suited to making good and entertaining things. their complete and utter failure to amount to anything of value is entirely cultural.
>>5883jfc leave this kind of retardation back in 2016 where it belongs, this is the year of Woke 2.0
>>5883Bitch, I dunno I think calling eachother faggots is cute and fun
It's ok. It doesn't even have an inherent negative connotation (oldfag is a good thing, drawfag is not a bad thing) so now homophobic in anyway
And stop censoring "faggot". I really don't want to have another "n-word", it is so ridiculous
>>5902Excellent post, my dear.
>95% of the time someone spouts slurs, it's because they're doing it for shock value to cover up the fact they aren't funny, or because they're from a culture that started that way and now thinks repetition in-and-of itself is funny.
There's also the question of their "resistance" against the "authoritarianism" of other people politely asking them to not use offensive and hurtful language. The reason they persist with their usage is because their amusement is no longer derived from their own shock, but it is now derived from the shock being observed in others in a form of schadenfreude. Basically it's 4chan "troll" culture at that point, which is just to poison everything until sincere discussion is no longer possible. This is how the dominance of a "meme" is established today, and how the right has been able to disseminate fascist views so quickly and effectively, as it's the only thing left standing after it has deconstructed all else.
as a lgbtqanaon or whatever i dont care cos im not a liberal retard
I do think it would be a net positive if people stopped using fucking slurs, as should go without saying. I've personally never used it because I'm not in the affected group. That said, it's so commonplace that I have a hard time blaming anyone for using it. It's just part of the vernacular, and people want to belong. I guess I don't get to give them the pass, but also, fuck. People say a lot worse and it feels so minor these days in comparison.
>>5902Truth mother fucking NUKE. Ironically, as hated as they are while also being derived from another 4chan board (/qa/) the sharty manages to have its own imageboard culture that isn't just wholesale ripped from 4chan or "oldfag" culture. Along with the other /qa/ derivatives like bantculture and such, and even on 4chin you have cultures like /dbs/ that are widely hated because they dared to form their own seperate micro-cultures than adhere to the standard, old, imageboard culture monolith and dared to be different. FUCK IMAGEBOARD CULTURE.
i dont really care if people say fag but id support banning it so that people would come up with better stuff that more accurately reflect our beliefs about things, could always steal some chinese words
other than that what would you really do?
i just don't really care, i ain't that liberal
>>5922>omg chan culture is stale lets be original and organic <could always steal some chinese wordsjust lol
>>5931do you think we're gonna be making up completely new and original words? it's just gonna be a shortening of some existing one or combining a couple, using an existing word for a new meaning, etc
as long as it represents site culture better than who cares
Calling chuds Christfags, rightfags, conservafags and Westfags is funny and makes them seethe. What can you replace those with?
>>5970Realistically speaking: christoids, rightoids, convervatoids and westoids
Now what do we call newfags, oldfags and gayfags?
>>5932the whole idea of a "site culture" and policing slang is retarded by itself lol
>>5979wow fucking genius
>>5970Christcuck and conservicuck are much more effective I find. Rightoid and westoid are also common ones. None of these are really words I ever see with the -fag suffix.
>>5970>ChristfagsI use nailed russian saboteur worshipper everytime
Using a postfix is matter of convenience rather than an outright slur most likely. However it's useful to consider the etymology of faggot (not just a bundle of sticks but how it was used in 1970s gay culture) and whether this changes your opinion of using it. Would you call someone a faggot in real life? Personally I'm not overly offended. I am queer and faggot is a fairly simplistic term *to me*
>>6137>Would you call someone a faggot in real life?like you say, context matters, internet isnt real life
>>5883I used to be neutral on it and in the 1. camp but watching how people have talked about 'uygha' my whole life and the emergence of the whole 'dark woke' thing has made me unironically think the "reclamation" of slurs isn't possible. At all. It's never worked and you'll always have low autism score rightoids (frankly, rightfully) asking "well, if [x] group can say it, why can't I?" and your only explanation is tethering us and a new generation of marginalized young people to a past we should be wanting to move forward from.
We should all just admit there's no deeper reason for wanting to say it aside from finding it funny and being lazy, immature and it being a force of habit from our childhood/teen years spent on chan sites rather trying to rationalize or moralize it with some facetious radfem bullshit of pretending it's 'reclaimative' and that you're keeping the scoreboard even.
Look at how 'gay' as a pejorative became so effectively phased out for practically a decade there even amongst children just to come back in large part because retarded catty Stan twitter gay guys and fujos couldn't stop being homophobic to each other while fighting over Nicki Minaj or fanfiction or Taylor Swift or whatever the fuck else, or how every 2nd post on social media these days is full of people calling each other retards.
Slur reclamation and 'dark woke' as a whole has done absolutely nothing for the progressives except made it slightly more okay to admit to liking Cum Town and Chapo around women. We gave away our ability to say to the next generation of politically curious teenagers coming up online now that "we're the side who isn't ableist/body-shaming/sexist/homophobic/sex negative/transphobic and don't place the value of others on these restrictive hierarchies" just to give in to those hierarchies for the most braindead short-term gains imaginable.
I could go on about how arguably the only real value the American left has to offer the rest of the world*is* shit like concern over language, hand-wringing over idpol, discussions about representation and shit of that ilk since they're frequently unwilling to do anything more disruptive than that or put themselves at risk to do anything actually helpful to the extent that they're unironically getting shown up by the same libs they scorn in places like Minnesota, but that's a tangent for another day.
The pearl-clutching over the usage of slurs in literature/media or if you're quoting someone else is fucking stupid and always has been and is definitely something that needs to be left in the past on 2010s Tumblr, but aside from that, I think people need to grapple with the reality that they have to choose; either nobody gets to say these words or everybody does. Especially in the age of the internet where no one's really bothering to gatekeep and where it's not POSSIBLE to anyways since everything is centralized and everyone is a search away from peering through the looking glass into the goings-ons of whatever other demographic they want.
>>6141>We should all just admit there's no deeper reason for wanting to say it aside from finding it funny and being lazy, immature and it being a force of habit from our childhood/teen years spent on chan sites rather trying to rationalize or moralize it with some facetious radfem bullshit of pretending it's 'reclaimative' and that you're keeping the scoreboard evenIrony is, adults create that kind of humor and appropriate it.
Kids pick it up.
If anything, most adult humor relies too much on slurs.
It is wild compared to other internet spaces where so many words are censored to combat algorithms, "unalived" or "unal!ved" "Isr**l" that sort of thing. I find it refreshing that people can speak freely here.
>>6158Wrong. There isn't free speech here. You get censored for saying russian saboteur transhumanist uyghur.
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