I don't understand libfags who argue marriage rights are capitalistic. Literally no socialist state has abolished marriage for straight people. Cuba has marriage rights for lgbts. How is it capitalistic
>marriage rights
like what? Orthodox economic relations of the liberal religious imaginary?
<"George Bush needs the right to form a committed monogamous relationship with his roommate Dick Cheney for tax and finance reasons"
Seems bourgeois. Isn't there a movie about guys who pretend to be married for health insurance reasons? Its likea reactionary retreat to already existing social relations of suburban NPC behavior, rather than the proletariat organizing to create historically progressive social relations. You should fight for the "marriage rights" to destroy UnitedHealth instead!
I think as long as it's not abrahamic it's fine.
>>6070>Like whatLike being allowed to do a marriage ritual and/or establish a legally recognized micro-corperation under the guise of a marriage.
>>6065The institution of marriage and concept of nuclear family should be abolished in a socialist state
also the whole reason for marriage to still exist is property lmfao
>>6071>as long as it's not abrahamictypical moralfag midwit criticism of religion lol, always focusing on what they like or dislike and not what religion as a whole entails
also also even your unfunny tumblr tier meme is arguing for why its beneficial for modern liberal nation-states to legalize marriage among queer folks LOL
fuck why does the queer board attract only the autistic retards, i was hopeful for this board when it had just been made
>>6074Buzzwordslopsalad.
>what religion as a whole entailsYou can have ritual without theology or religion. Wearing a tie while at a desk to focus on something is a ritual.
reminder ALL (yes, all) religion is retarded superstition that doesnt even make sense to believe today but is just being carried on for traditions sake 👍
>>6076>buzzwordif you are a retard sure, which im sure of considering your only criticism of religion boils down to morals which leads you to even feel the need to point out "as long as it's not abrahamic" rofl, like i already said but your peanut brain failed to understand
>slopslop doesnt mean "thing i dont like"
>whole thread about religion<ermmmmmmmm what about not!religionso you want marriage without everything that makes it marriage. leftoidpol's brightest minds as always. this is what happens when you read philosophy instead of marx
We're bodies. Bodies are matter. Matter reproduces. Everything else is an illusion. Dickgirl on cuntboy action, immediately.
>>6073>>6073Why the fuck do you think marriage requires money, retard. I don't own property either. Marriage is literally about the social acknowledgement of relationships.
>>6074> "whole reason for marriage to still exist is property lmfao"People without property marry
>>6082Soviet Union, China, Cuba, none of these abolished nor intend to abolish marriage. Marriage will always exist. You are a bunch of retarded anarchists who think otherwise.
>>6075> "also also even your unfunny tumblr tier meme is arguing for why its beneficial for modern liberal nation-states to legalize marriage among queer folks LOL"No, you stupid fucking shiteating retard, it's saying that state legitimization of lgbt relationships don't exist to reinforce reproduction. It's saying queer marriage rights are non-beneficial to capitalism, you maggot eating homunculus.
>>6084It's not my fault you lack any fucking reading comprehension, kill yourself.
>>6078"when you read philosophy instead of marx"
Marx was married himself. Lenin would wrench open your jaw with a crowbar and take a shit, anarkiddie dumbfuck.
>>6086yeah theres a difference between marxist critique and whatever individualist choices you make, no fucking shit moron
marx was also against moralism yet had morals himself, too
>>6084>ermmmmmmmmmm how does protecting the property rights of queers benefit capitalism if they dont breed?????nothing but mongoloids here lol
>>6087> individualistAgain you fucking pedophile retard, no socialist country in existence has abolished marriage. Cuba has gay marriage rights.
>>6087You're not doing marxist critique, you're doing redditist critique where you call everyone philgrad for using over-elementary vocabulary and being opposed to whatever abrahamic religion you're part of that made you this triggered.
That you aren't being responsible with the tor node already makes you suspicious to begin with, that's why it's called glownonymous. A non-fed would engage in dialogues and actively refrain from sophistry.
>>6092>basic ass marxist critique of religion<you are DEFENDING religionloooool wtf is this bait or are you seriously this much of a retarded ape? fucking amazing
>>6091>marriage exists bc of property rights<so youre saying marrying magically gives you property?the illiteracy levels here are off the charts. love the disingenuous attempt at making this about homophobia when im literally trans and a lesbian LMAO
absolutely nobody in your pic is a "worker with no property" and mao and castro werent even communists btw 👍
>>6094I never said you are homophobic. I said you were a pederast.
>>6095guess thats as far as your intellectual level can take you lol
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch02d.htmfeel free to read an actual book anytime
>>6083>x country larping as communist did y, so y is communist, no further insight requiredgood ol "capitalist social relations are actually communist if i paint them in red"
>>6090>mention individual choices<so you are an ANARCHIST?????????this *has* to be a bot lmfaoooooo
funnily enough its more often anarchists and other lib flavors who conflate communism and unrelated aspects like individual choices with it while anyone with half a brain separates the two
>>6096Capitalism is a developmental stage you stupid fucking retard. Something originating within does not render it inherently bourgeoise. You’re a romantic anticapitalist dumbfuck.
>>6098Imagine being a "real communism has never been tried" retard in 2026
>>6092>call everyone philgrad for using over-elementary vocabularyIt doesn't have anything to do with vocabulary. You aren't smarter for reducing concrete phenomena to abstractions, quite the opposite in fact.
>reads thread
You'd think the LGBT board wouldn't be plagued with MLs who want to preserve the sanctity of marriage as an institution (but make it "woke"!), but /leftypol/ never ceases to amaze.
There is absolutely no reason to consider gay marriage the teleological endpoint of all queer politics. It's a totally arbitrary mark pseuds are just assuming to be self-evident. This is the same logic that has been used to throw trans people under the bus.
>>6101I literally never said it's the endpoint, you stupid fucking retard. I'm a transhumanist. My country doesn’t have legal rights. It didn’t magicall make gays and transhumanists breed solidarity, all it did is make gays remain closeted while abandoning trans women because we inherently are anti-closet.
>>6102I didn’t mean to type transhumanist they're that's autocorrect, I'm a transhumanist transhumanist transgender
>>6103Ok this stupid fucking site keeps automatically changing tslurs to transhumanist
>>6101> "This is the same logic that has been used to throw trans people under the bus"Trans women here literally get funneled into prostitution (which is not any less capitalistic) due to the overall impact of marriage rights denial, even the ones with education and employment, it's a caste system. Trans people never got thrown under the bus with marriage rights, they were always under the bus even before marriage rights
>>6100>reducing concrete phenomena to abstractionsI was attempting to flatten abstractions down to their underlying concrete phenomena, actually, but you got mad because I was mean to abrahamics as an aside.
though the markdown in these posts is severely lacking so we can't actually mark things as aside, so I actually think it's understandable you didn't understand that. God I miss cohost. >>6101> "teleological endpoint of all queer politics"All I'm arguing is that marriage is not inherently capitalistic and it's romantic anticapitalism to call all things that exist as a result of this developmental stage capitalistic, you dumbfuck. I never said it will solve everything.
it takes a special type of larp to use a self-assigned label as proof that youre part of a real historical continuity with figures you have never met and their so called "successes" in which you played no role
>>6107>>6108>romantic anticapitalismwords mean things but ig thats expecting too much from cattle who still believe the purpose of marriage today under capitalism is exactly the same as it was under feudalism despite the social and material relations being completely different AND expecting such to persist into communism lmfao
>>6099not even lenin himself called it anything beyond a dotp bc he wasnt some disingenuous retard like you lol
>>6108Okay, so marriage is malthusian nonsense and should be abolished in favor of proper sex education and material conditions healthy enough that people could envision having kids in said environment as a positive experience.
The punishment for marriage should be boiling.
>>6109You're not providing any real arguments, I live in a country where this is applicable, I will not engage with you any further because I think you're a pedophile.
>>6110You neither understand Malthusianism nor why he is wrong.
>>6112He invented giving a shit about birthrates as a primary concern, thinking policies other than sex education and improving people's living conditions can effect birth rates in a meaningful way.
>>6065Only bit I disagree with at the end is who is advocating against LGBT rights in the third-world, it's primarily first-world religious fundamentalists.
>>6070extreme "born after 9/11" pseudo-precocious energy
>>6114The queer ngos funded by the first world teach queer people to depend on charity instead of asking for civ rights here, the postmodernist intellectuals argue against marriage rights, while religious fundamentalists also paid by first world argue against marriage rights
>>6113buddy look at any non-western nation, countries like turkey and russia are against giving gays marriage rights due to falling birthrates, it's not that marriage needs to be malthusian, it's that denying gays marriage rights is malthusian>>6117
>>6113 >>6118If marriage is meant to be a measure to increase birth rates as
>>6108 presents it to be, then it is malthusian as it's neither sex education nor does it improve the baseline material conditions for the whole population.
It is also malthusian to ban only the gay instances of it, but those aren't conflicting concepts.
>>6119It stops being Malthusian when lgbts are given marriage rights.
"The state exists to protect capital, i want a socialist state."
"Whooaaa you want something protects capital? You're capitalistic!"
You people are retarded.
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