/lgbt/ - LGBT

You would just be trading in one set of shackles for another, as women have all sorts of specific gender roles too.
I would say that if this is how you feel then you should just be a non-conforming male, there's really nothing wrong with that even if society tries to force masculine gender roles on you.

>>683
>You would just be trading in one set of shackles for another, as women have all sorts of specific gender roles too.
I am not saying they dont, but my personality and aptitudes fit into those a lot more. Being a gender non-conforming male doesnt help, because the issue is not in my internal attitude towards myself, but external social pressure.

read Stirner

>>686
I did, both of the texts he wrote.

>>684
>because the issue is not in my internal attitude towards myself, but external social pressure.
Then there's no way to solve this without ignoring social pressure. Transitioning when you're not actually trans will feel bad, trust me. I've known quite a few people who have transitioned for the reasons you're describing and it didn't go well.

>>681
>>684
Well then that sounds like gender dysphoria, just without the accompanying body dysmorphia. I think many trans people have both, although to what extent the discomfort with their body is down to viewing it as essential to their gender presentation (I need to get bottom surgery so that I am always being perceived as my gender by others) vs essential to their own self-perception (I need to get bottom surgery because I cannot I am viscerally at odds with how my body makes me feel about my gender).
In your case you want to live as a woman and the desire to look like a woman is just going to be pragmatically borne out of a desire to have your gender respected by others rather than something you need to feel at ease with yourself.
The question is whether since you do actually feel at ease and happy in a natural male body, whether transitioning beyond social transition will cause you distress and body dysmorphia as you realise that the associated changes affect you and not just how others perceive you.
So the question is, are you confident that you're actually totally indifferent to your body and are willing to do with it whatever will help ease your gendered performance, or are you actually happily male but unhappily a man in which case your best bet is just to be an androgynous NB and struggle to be respected as not-a-man.

>>688
Yeah, I know, I dont actually plan to transition, the effort it takes and transphobia I would have to deal with would make my life even worse. Just sharing my feeling about gender because it is not like I have anyone I could talk to about this IRL. Although one thing trans people do have is community (in bigger cities that is). Not much there for faggy but not actual fag man.

>>696
>your best bet is just to be an androgynous NB
I am 30 years old, that is more out of my reach than just becoming a woman.
>The question is whether since you do actually feel at ease and happy in a natural male body
Here it depends what you mean by "natural". I am fine with the kind of male body that is achieved though lots of exercise, dieting, cosmetics, supplements and grooming, the average male body I am utterly repulsed by.

I would like to be androgynous. Even when I was a child, before I had proper conception of gender, I liked androgyny, like when I saw a TV character that looked between a man and a woman, I though that was what an ideal human should look like.

BOYS DONT CRY

>>697
>>719
Well, its up to you if you want to transition or not. It might make you happier, and I think the hardest part is actually starting it. But if it isn't such a strong feeling that is taking over your life and you don't want to anything about it thats fine, and I guess that doesn't make you less nonbinary.

>>681
I think that's ok. The reasons people have to transition are pretty varied, yours don't seem excessively weird.

Everyone on this board is invited to thekuzzy.win btw

>>681
Just be a sissy or an enby

oh wow that's a extremely cute anime girl OP posted i wonder what she from

>it's a crossdresser
i fell for it again, he still looks cute, maybe i should watch Jellyfish Princess

>>681
What country are you in OP? Here in the US nobody is expectant of any gender roles save for late-gen immigrants because everyone is either low T, introverts or hikikomoris

>>2019
>numales, neets and "introverts" are gender non-conforming
what do you think gender even is?

>>2019
>Here in the US nobody is expectant of any gender roles
I am not from US, but I find that hard to believe.

>>681
OP, you're a fucking asshole for doing this.
If you're a trans out of some sort of .oral convenience to escape "male duty" than you don't deserve respect.
Masculinity is just aesthetics

>>683
This. Glorifying feminity as spiritual freedom is a typical ignorant assumption amongst imageboard users.

If you feel that youre oppressed because you're male, its probably because you're just an autist

>>2019
Absolute strawman.
This reads like someone who geta their ideas of manhood from action movies and punk and rap.

>>719
This.
Androgyny is the only way that gender equality can be achieved.
The perfect human body is an androgynous hermaphrodite

>>681
You don't owe the performance of any particular gender role to anyone. Be who you want to be, and if that's a woman so be it comrade.

>>684
And you think there would be less external pressure on you if you were trans?

>>2832
The pressures of trans misogyny comes for feminine men and trans women a like. Ultimately the decision to transition is a personal choice about what you desire for your life and body (one often influenced by gender dysphoria)