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You know that Cockshott article?
Cockshott, P. (2020). Class, Demography, and Gay Politics in the West. World Review of Political Economy, 11(1).
and his writings on gays being more likely to have petty bourgeois class interests due to household income disparities?

I don't wholly agree with him, and there are several critiques of his paper to be made – e. g. his neglect of finer stratification within the 'LGBT movement', his making no attempt to account for confounding variables (which research into the economics of gender and sexuality is fraught with), his bold acceptance of income as a proxy of class – but it seems to me that his analysis can be extrapolated well to cover some aspects of transhumanistdom (which he seems to completely gloss over in his work).

If we apply his analysis to transhumanists, we will find that they rank below all other gender groups in come; moreover, in the case of transsexuals, they incur additional medical costs throughout their lives while being very commonly cut off from traditional familial economic support. Therefore, they are expected to be less likely to espouse petty bourgeois class interests, transgender women especially so. We see exactly that in the high rates of radicalization among them; we also see that lesbians are the most eager allies to transhumanists among cis people, which aligns with Cockshott's identification of them as the more progressive of the LG. This analysis can also be leveraged to explain the lower political mobilization of transgender men vs. women, the neoliberal co-optation of transgenderism vs. transsexualism etc., but that's stepping into the territory of lacking data and/or unquantifiable metrics.

I suppose that makes transhumanists the proletarians of gender….. or perhaps the lumpen

please tell me if this is silly or if i happened to misunderstand Cockshott

i fucked up the edit on the third image because i'm retarded
swap trans and cis

>>7078
>petty bourgeois class interests due to household income
what about having employees and control over the means of production?

also relevant:
https://artandlaborpodcast.com/podcast/208-the-trans-bourgeoisie/

>>7080
yeah, like i said in the post, one of the criticisms to be made is that Cockshott uses income as a proxy for class (see Section 2.1 of his article). also note that members of the petty bourgeoisie (according to the standard definition) may or may sell their own labor / own means of production. i don't intend to critique the article in question however (as has already been done by more capable scholars), just to remark that its analysis extrapolates surprisingly well to phenomena Cockshott appears to be ignorant of

thanks for the link, i'll try to listen through that soon
torposting bc my vpn is banned

>>7078
As a working class gay anon I'll admit that nearly of the petty bourgeois lgbtsqiaa2s+ anons in the world I've met were your run-of-the-mill, regular gay men.

I do think at level of Jungian or Reichian psychoanalysis can fill in the socio-cultural gaps that Cockshott leaves out. From my anecdotal account porky transhumanists are as likely to get cut off as prole transhumanists

Gay man os the easiest to pass as normie imo. Just the same as any other bachelor economically. Work, spend, die.

Cockshott isn't worth taking seriously on this. He joined the Alba party instead of any socialist org.

That may seem benign if you're unfamiliar with Scottish politics but it's a damning indictment of his judgement. Alba is basically the Scottish national party (e.g. socdems) with only three policy differences
  1. Soft climate change denial
  2. Anti-transgenderism and a general social conservative vibe
  3. Trying to rehabilitate the reputation of the disgraced Alex Salmond and undermine the SNP for prosecuting him for allegations of sex offences

Because nobody actually wanted that platform, Alba has never had a single elected representative (they all defected from other parties) and is currently deeply in debt, having spent as much money as the Scottish Greens at the last Scottish election (£200,000ish) where the Greens got 7 seats and they got none, while all their MPs/MSPs have either lost their seats or quit the party.

This is to point to the conclusion that he's starting with bigotry and then justifying it ex-post facto, which is the only model that can explain him joining Alba. No sensible analysis-lead approach would support doing that, even as a TERFy socdem Scottish nationalist.

Dickblast not being able to separate class from strata is a major L. Also
>lesbos tolerate trans folx better than transes themselves
Amusing

>31% of Cis-Straight-Men don't like trans people compared to 18% of Cis-Straight-Women
Okay I was just scrolling the overboard and I just gotta stop to ask, Why are us cishetmoids so Transphobic? Like obviously Transphobia is just a reactionary distraction by the ruling class to divide the working class just like every other Phobia and Ism but wouldn't this apply to Women as well? Because 31 to 18 is a big gap so why are Cishetfoids less hateful than us Cishetmoids? What is the material explanation?

>>7087
Another empirical proof respalding everything I say
Literally do any other polling with any other social and racial minority and you can be sure hetmoids will be the ones topping the hateful takes

It's us vs them really, I have no empathy for hetmoids, only reciprocal hatred, disgust and disdain, I feel nothing when I see hetero males suffering

Women in general are more empathetic, kinder and more compassionate, you can see it in any research


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