/lgbt/ - LGBT

Why do people love to use the bisexual colors for lighting?

Favorite x files episode?

>>753
it's the best combination
what others are there


>>770
the one with that serial killer that escapes every 10 years or so, early seasons

Who are the hottest Star Trek characters and why is it a 3 way tie between Dr. Crusher, Dr. Bashir, and Commander Riker (without the beard)?

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BiGODS rule the world

This isn't a real thing. Stop trying to make bisexuality a thing.

I am for sure 99.99% gay but sometimes I see a woman and am like "huh". I've never actually jerked off to a woman though.

>>3213
Im the opposite, I beat off to women all the time but actually sticking my dick in anything besides my hand feels wrong

>>3212
In the sense of being perfectly 50% attracted to both and other sexes probably not. I think most bi people go through phases.

>>3216
You have in this world
>Breeders
>Gay men, and some of them have sex with women
>Lesbians, and some of them have sex with men

There's no such thing as Bisexuals really, it's made up bullshit for college girls to feel special

>>3217
I've slept with exactly the same number of male and female partners. Which one am I?

>>3217
It’s real in autistic men

>>3213
I consider myself gay but I have several fetishes which involve women. Femdom, pegging, gay guys having sex with women and a few more

every thread is a bisexual thread given enough time

>>3217
Silence biphobe

im like freud, i think everyone is born bisexual and everything else is a pathology caused be childhood trauma

I don't get biphobia, everyone's on a spectrum
Like i'm basically gay but if the hottest woman in the world started advancing and kissing me of course i'd at least try to have sex with her

>>3217
If I put a gun to a gay man's head, and forced him to eat pussy, would that make them bi?

>>3340
That's hot

>>3313
Exactly, right?
I call myself a lesbian, but I am not immune to jackhammer cock. So realistically I'm technically bi. Realistically, surely most people are. Like always, black and white concepts, like gay and straight, mostly exist for the sake of simplifying a more complicated truth.

>>3313
>>3594
But there are obviously different modes of sexuality, e.g. enjoying the stimulation, fulfilling fantasies and fetishes, being attracted to their perceived value or desirability to others, stuff like that. When it comes to actual physical attraction felt toward the other person, i wonder how many people are bi? I think most bisexuals don't have the same kind of sexuality for both genders, where they have genuine chemistry with only one gender. I wanna be proved wrong though

the urge to leave my partner for a dude grows stronger everyday. what do

>>3313
Most biphobia seems to just stem from insecurity (atleast from the "I wouldnt date a bi person" crowd) They feel inferior and thus they fear their partners would leave for someone better, so the idea of dating a bi person who has twice the options makes them doubly insecure. Atleast thats just my theory, either way biphobes are pathetic.

>>3312
I partially agree, although I feel like its moreso caused by society teaching people how they feel attraction while their brains are still developing. In ancient greece it seemed like bisexuality was the norm, as being straight or being gay werent concepts yet, homosexuality was just something you did instead of something you were.

>>3820
I went through the same struggle. The only thing I can say is that if you choose to stay it should be for the right reasons, i.e. because you actually want to be with your current partner. Staying in an existing het relationship just because it's convenient, you don't want to cause a fuss, or you're scared to come out (assuming you're straightmoding like I did for years) won't turn out well in the long run.

>>3313
>Like i'm basically gay but if the hottest woman in the world started advancing and kissing me of course i'd at least try to have sex with her
This means you are bisexual, and not everyone is bisexual so stop projecting.

>I don't get biphobia
The other day I read a story about a gay guy whose bisexual boyfriend left him to raise a family with a woman, then I read some more where the bisexual feels like he is now old enough and has to settle down, and many people were saying to never date a bi guy for long-term relationships. Honestly it would be so hurtful to be with a man who then lefts me because I am fundamentally not enough for him. It is not the same as a young bisexual guy leaving me for a girl he genuinely likes, it's for raising a heterosexual family because his youthful homo playing years have ended.

>>3827
It would be somewhat understandable if you were biphobic because your boyfriend left you to start a family with a woman, but to be biphobic because you heard a story about someone else's boyfriend leaving them is absolutely laughable.

Biphobia is purely illogical. Biphobic women are convinced that all bi partners would leave them for a man, while biphobic men are convinced theyre gonna leave them for a woman. Even though those two views are so clearly contradictory with eachother, biphobes still stupidly continue on with their beliefs

>>3833
They're not contradictory because what women fear about dating bi men is infidelity, that he'll cheat and have sex with men behind her back, while men fear abandonment and being left for a woman.

>>3833
Well I just didn't heard "a story", it was multiple ones and multiple people agreeing, also, see picrel.

>>3834
>what women fear about dating bi men is infidelity
Straight men cheat all the time yet I never see anyone talking about how they fear straight men because of that. It's totally rational and not delusional at all to fear bi men because of the chance of infidelity while never even considering the possibility that a straight man might cheat.
>men fear abandonment and being left for a woman.
The same thing can be said for gay men, just instead of leaving for a woman they leave for another man. Its actually incredibly common among gay men.

>>3835
>Multiple people experienced the same thing!? It must be a universal fact of life then!
lol.
also that pic proves nothing. Of course theres gonna be more bi people in straight relationships simply because of the fact that straight women are much more common than gay men. The statistics dont prove anything about bi men leaving their previous partners for other ones.

>>3836
I don't say it is a universal fact of life, but it can happen, and being wary is Okay, specially if the bisexual male has some internalized homophobia.

>Straight men cheat all the time yet I never see anyone talking about how they fear straight men because of that.
It's because of homophobia, they find it disgusting/emasculating/dirty that his man has had sex with other men.

>The same thing can be said for gay men, just instead of leaving for a woman they leave for another man.
Again, most of them would worry about him leaving them for a woman because she is a woman and she can bring him a family, because he feels his playing years have ended and now he has to "settle down". It is not simply about cheating.

And I guess you are right about the statistics pic I posted.

>>3837
If you are gonna be wary of bi men, then you should be wary of all potential partners too. Anyone could cheat on you or leave you for another. Although I agree you shouldnt date a bi man if they have internalized homophobia.

In general im not really sure where your going with this. It seems like you are trying to justify biphobia, yet you condone women being biphobic since it stems from homophobia? Are you trying to say that biphobia is okay only if your a gay man?

>>3838

Why can't you understand that it isn't a fear to be cheated on for anyone but for being left for a WOMAN because she is a WOMAN who can give him a HETEROsexual relationship and a BIO FAMILY. That isn't possible with a homo (only with extremely high levels of autohomophobia).

>Are you trying to say that biphobia is okay only if your a gay man?
Not at all, for example, denying the existence of bisexuality would not be okay, or thinking they are more prone to cheat, or not wanting to have sex with him if he has touched a vagina (the legendary extremely misogynistic gays radfems like to talk about). Not all biphobia is made the same. A woman asking for STI status of a bisexual man but not of a hetersexual man would be okay too (only if he has had sex with men) (idk if you would consider this biphobia).

>>3824
Biphobia stems from the fact that bisexuality fucks with the linear way of thinking that homos and heteros impose on the world. Homosexuals are monsters who like sameness. Heterosexuals have an obsession with otherness. The obsession with sameness is why homosexuals tend to be narcissistic and morally questionable. Morality is about ethically coming to terms with an 'other,' with someone who is not like yourself. Homos fail at this. Its why they are hostile, misogynistic, and extremely self-centered. Since people organize their entire lives around being straight or gay, then someone who fits neither calls into question the truthfulness of the entire system. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are founded on a negation of bisexuality. And bisexuality can only be tolerated when its a niche thing a minority of weird people do rather than, as history and Freud show, has been the dominant mode of sexual expression throughout most human civilizations. This is the real source of biphobia.

>In ancient greece it seemed like bisexuality was the norm, as being straight or being gay werent concepts yet,
This seems to have been the case in most pre-modern pre-capitalist cultures. In less developed societies like Afghanistan its still common. Something seems to have happened which destroyed it. An ideal society should abolish these kinds of distinctions. In an ideal world, there would be no gay, straight, bi or other buzzwords that chop up society and make us fight.

>>3827
>Honestly it would be so hurtful to be with a man who then lefts me because I am fundamentally not enough for him.
How is this different from any other relationship? People break up for reasons all the time. Since I want children and a family (not just an inverted clone of a hetero family, but an actual one) and a gay male can never give me this, then such a long term relationship is impossible. The problem here is thinking in bourgeois terms that all relationships must lead to a happy mommy-daddy-me nuclear family. In other times and in other cultures, you could be happily married and still love someone else or love someone and its not connected to an idea of marriage. Western culture is fixated on monogamy and the nuclear family, but most cultures (Chinese, Japanese, Islamic, Indian) have practiced polygamy and marriage was about tribal alliances, not who you love.

>>3217
Gays are perverts who exploit men’s bodies and turn them into spiritual women. Heteros are perverts who fetishize women and turn them into cattle. They are both offshoots of commodity capitalism caused by mental abuse.

>>3596
I think in reality people aren’t supposed to be attracted to genders but specific people. I don’t like women. I like my gf who just happens to be a woman. We get mentally confused and mix up liking a person with a gender. A gender is literally a mental concept. Nobody fucks abstractions.

>>752
How do I tame my bi cycle?

I want to get into a gay relationship soon (MLM) but I am afraid I might swing back to a het side and spoil it until I swing back.

>>4397
Please don't swing out of being MLM! The eternal science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is for life!

>>4398
A guerilla fighter, a homosexual and a sales representative walk into a bar…

>>4397
Discipline. Its like training a muscle. Do you even need to be sexually attracted to someone to be in a relationship with them? No. Simple.

>>752
No such thing as bisexuality
If male is a closeted homo
If female an hetero attwhore

I don’t know what I am expecting by posting this. To confuse you? I certainly am confused myself. I’ve been trying to figure this out for years but my head just ends up hurting from bafflement.

What does sexuality have to do with identity? If I close my eyes and try to think of my identity it only boils down to a few essential qualities: I’m an adult male, an emotional and rational mammal. Anything else I could care to list seems unnecessary, unessential, voluntary and in that sense not a true identity. An identity is something that identifies what something, or in this case someone, is and continues to be even when they do not actively identify as something. I don’t cease to be an adult male just because I don’t identify as one but being gay or straight is describing the nature of an act, not an identity. I may be described as gay or straight while I’m buttfucking someone but when I’m not I am neither.
I, and every human being, has the capacity to engage in both kinds of sexual activity. By their nature all humans are bi-sexual, because the sexes are two, but heterosexuality is predominant in public society because it is the logical choice. A homonormative society is an oxymoron because you need reproduction to have a society. The biological end of sex is the creation of life. The purpose of a man is to breed offspring with a woman. If he chooses not to and instead opts to engage only in homoerotic acts, that doesn’t make him gay it just means he is a man, and thus a “straight” man, who fucks men? “Sexualities” are not something you’re born with, they are chosen, a moral choice in the broad sense, a behavioral choice. Of course our choices are shaped by our environment but in the end the freedom lies with the individual.
I could fuck men but since I am not into physical pleasures that much I don’t see the point since homoerotic acts are nothing but. It is why I don’t casually fuck women either because there would be no greater purpose, be it either procreation or deepening an emotional bond.

And all other distinctions—what’s the point? What is the point of “identity”? I have in the past called myself bisexual without thinking about it when pushed for an answer regarding sexuality because I’ve been romantically attracted to both sexes and recently I learned about demisexuality which applies to me to a tee, but why should I apply these labels to myself? Who does it benefit? Why do people do it? I feel like I came from another planet or something. A man is a man and a woman is a woman and they’re meant to fuck each other, so being a man or a woman implies straightness but nothing is stopping either from engaging in homoeroticism. Why the need to complicate matters with words? Just bang, okay?

>>4426
Thank you for the flag it makes me not have to decipher your word salad.
The actual answer is that your religious delusions are mentally harming you.

>>4431
Filtered by two intersecting lines. Had I chosen a different flag or no flag at all, which I could've since my opinion has nothing to do with my "religious" beliefs, you wouldn't have read my word salad either way since you're not here to engage different opinions but to circlejerk. My views on sexuality were formed well before I chose to associate myself with Christianity and what I wrote differs little from what others have posted above. Are they mentally harmed by delusions too?

>>3820
Don’t break their heart. Just get it over with

>>4264
Your first point is poorly put but true and your second is absolutely how I experience life

How do you detect closet bisexuals? They can use their het side as a shield.

>>4491
Do something gay in front of them and monitor their reaction.

Is there a conventional term I'm unaware of in the bi community for someone bi that's attracted to feminine vs masculine traits a bit more? I tried to get a concrete term and went down the terminally online US coded holes and ended up with "polysexual", which I've never heard anyone use, and funnily enough remains about as unspecific, still requiring further elaboration, just like "bi"… there was also "femsexual". Though on re-reading: it excludes nb people so… deprecated anyways I guess!?
I'm what a lot of you would probably consider to be still in the closet, so it's not like I've had that much direct experience with a bunch of free flowing discourse on this matter, so maybe these terms are widely used and *shrug*
help

>>7981 (me)
Fuck it the answer seems to be poly(sexual), wasted more hours in vain again trying to find some fucking nuanced terms for the zones in the bisexuality spectrum on the countless LGBTQ+ webpages that exists… NO LUCK AGAIN!
This will be my conclusion for now:
Poly (hey, people may misunderstand me to referring to polyamory if not followed by a full description of the genders I'm attracted to, I guess that's a confusion that has to be added to the equation). Kinsey scale 2; more non-obvious terminology that only works intuitively for the nerds

I guess that will do for now, maybe someone replies, maybe they dont

>>7981
>>7982
you mean something like https://orientation.fandom.com/wiki/Finsexual

>>7983
I lied, I didn't stop reading this time because I'm on a mission
It aint over til the conclusion's been struck

I ended up on these more specified wikis, reconnecting to the finsexual advice (was it you that gave it in a thread some time ago?)

Went to these:
https://lgbtqia.fandom.com
https://lgbtqia.wiki
Here they're using three different terms for apparently the same concept:
gynesexual, femsexual and more rarely finsexual
https://lgbtqia.fandom.com/wiki/Gynesexual / https://lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Femsexual / https://lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Finsexual
Questions arise:

1. Which systems decide which terms get used over others? Some of the pages redirect the terms they deprioritize to their preferred term.
   
2. Femsexual and Finsexual appear under the category "Fia/Fin Attraction", here defined as " attraction to: women, women-aligned genders (fiaspec), woman-related genders, feminine-aligned genders (fingenders), or femininity (presentation)". It is itself described as a subcategory of "Gia/Gin Attraction", here defined as "attraction to specific giaspec (gender and gender presentation) identities". Thus, since Gia/Gin (a particular system?) has subbranches for non-binary genders spectrums, here called neusexual and referenced in tandem with femsexual, I guess this is a pairing solution that will solve the question.
   

Logically this is the closest to to the answer. Basically in order to be understood I communicate "I'm polysexual, as in femsexual plus neusexual". Big plus is that these terms sound alike the terms they describe, as in their common usage (feminine, neutrois).
"Ceterosexual" and "Gynesexual" are just awful terms by contrast. Don't understand why https://lgbtqia.fandom.com seem to gatekeep for those to be preferential prios. Probably some gender system beef I'm unaware of.

Now that I found "neusexual" I can properly process that I'm bi more concretely, as I didn't get this far last time. I always have had this strong attraction to the genderqueer/enby/neutral "field" of expression, which is just as strong as my attraction to femininity. It then also explains in some way why I'm repulsed by hypermasculinity and hyperfemininity, but the former far more so. The "gravity" of the "enby zone" is the explanation for this, as well.

>>7984 (me)
> Which systems decide which terms get used over others? Some of the pages redirect the terms they deprioritize to their preferred term.
Anyone got any input on this?

>>8008
I don't know but if you want conversation I will ask you to never use gynesexual (you don't want currently at least) for yourself since I like to use androsexual for myself in the sense of attraction to men (cis or not) and not attraction to masculinity and so both definitions collide
If you want a system I would prioritise words that are correctly formed with classical roots over ill-formed ones and specially over ones formed with english roots
Maybe you could make up a word and say gynaikeiosexual? (γυναικειος means feminine). I don't really understand the difference between androgyny, agender, neutrois and all that but I would recommend you to say "neutrosexual" rather than "neusexual" since it's better formed and is more transparent

uygha just say you're straight. You like cis women, passing trans women, and non-passing trans men. So straight.

>>8012
>Hetropatriarchial, transphobia masked as trans acceptance, bi-erasure, all in one short quip
Go back

>>8012
Actually I like thicc curvy cis women, cute fit twinks/twunks, muscular masc guys with square jaws, and petite trans girls. Gargle my balls.

>>8016
Wtf are you talking about. I'm bi. I just don't see why that anon is looking for some complex label for their sexual orientation. He obviously doesnt want to call himself bi, so he should just call himself straight and fuck niche types of men on the low, like a lot of "straight men"
>go back
I guarantee I've been around longer than you

>>8040
>I'm bi.
Not all bi are perfectly pan, man
>I just don't see why that anon is looking for some complex label for their sexual orientation
>He obviously doesnt want to call himself bi, so he should just call himself straight and fuck niche types of men on the low, like a lot of "straight men"
It's almost as if they're dissatisfied with cishetero patriarchal binary life of which they don't conform perfectly to, lad
>I guarantee I've been around longer than you
doubting face
As a supposed bisexual revolutionary communist oldfag with a clear conception of patriarchy and queer oppression being rooted in class society you do sound a lot like any random fucking conservative. Which 'nazbol gang' meme did you OC?
>pAsSiNg
That's YOUR personal bias, DUDE! I've never met a queer person that gives a shit about "passing". Not all trans people are trying to "pass" into the fucking gender binary oh my lawd lmao
Next time just cut to the chase and upload of webm of you exclaiming "death to all who stray from the binary ideal!", wearing a robe and holding a large staff, will save you some time.

>>8042
>It's almost as if they're dissatisfied with cishetero patriarchal binary life of which they don't conform perfectly to, lad
For starters, sexual orientation is not an identity, and its label is merely a descriptor of what groups of people you're willing to get involved with. If anon isnt willing to get together with men and copes with "I like 'some' ftm" (if you cant see the absurdity in this youre insane), describing himself as bisexual is useless. Just say you're straight little bro.
>Not all trans people are trying to "pass" into the fucking gender binary oh my lawd lmao
Where did I say the opposite you massive retard. I get that you have beef with certain types of essentialists but thats not me and thats not what I was talking about. When I say passing or non-passing, I'm implicitly saying "what anon sees as female or female-enough" because deep down that's how a lot of those types think. Describing yourself as "gynesexual, femsexual and more rarely finsexual" is just virtue signalling for whats a woke performative straight or, at best, a closeted bi too afraid of being called a faggot by his straight peers
>doubting face
You type like a caricature of a redditor

>>8043
Cool twitter quip but no one here has even implied this. Maybe stop projecting your trauma on imageboard replies

>>8063
>Describing yourself as "gynesexual, femsexual and more rarely finsexual"
brother you simply misread the fucking posts. Your interpretation of the meaning of the sentences is analytically erroneous. Then you flew off the handle,
>If anon isnt willing to get together with men and copes with "I like 'some' ftm"
and entered the strawman championships
>If anon isnt willing to get together with men […] describing himself as bisexual is useless
They're willing to have sexual relations with androgynous, enby, agender people, women. Just not all genders. That's bisexual, just not pan. But maybe this really rustles your jimmies for some dumb reason.
If you're gonna keep this going re-read it again and take some deep breaths. Hopefully you're open to the possibility of making faulty analyses, hell, even conclusions.

>>8075
Excuse me how many genders are there. If your answer is more than three then there's no way we can have a conversation.

>>8076
>>8077
>If your answer is more than three
>Or rather, more than two
>then there's no way we can have a conversation
Bitch you dumb as hell!