/lgbt/ - LGBT

>>8632
The amount of transphobia you'll experience irl largely depends on your class, ethnicity, stealth, country, city and how well you pass. For example if you're a white westerner living in fucking Canada who started HRT at 18 you'll probably be fine, but if you are a working class American trans woman or a working class person from the third world (Latin America, Africa) then it's very likely you'll face some discrimination and violence at a certain point.

However online transphobia IS fabricated (mainly by the American ruling classes and their bootlickers). In my experience most people irl won't care about you at all, that is unless you are too "visible" or do something the cissies don't like. So either the online transphobes keep their mouths shut irl or there aren't as many transphobes as social media tries to make you believe.

>>8634
The best time to do my HRT is 20 years ago, the second best time is today

>>8632
Just because they werent outright bullies doesnt mean they arent pieces of shit. The vast majority of normies will still socially isolate and avoid any gay or trans person. Normies are genuinely evil scum

>>8632
>Looking online, it might seem that way.
Looking on centralized social media*
If you got off twitter and touched digital grass instead, as both "normies" and "non-normies" do, then you'll see otherwise.
Like you're going to the transphobia factory and being surprised there's transphobia there.

>>8634
Poor girl, puberty blockers would've definitely saved her. But not everyone experiences puberty the same way, that's why I said probably, some trans women really get fucked by male puberty. In my case, I looked like a gay twink when I was 18.

>>8636
Normies discriminate against each other more than they do against minorities

>>8632
It has far more to do with quiet discrimination like being turned down for job applications and renting. Stuff like gay bashing just makes for more dramatic media.

As a Cishet man who is a marxist but knows a ton of Normies they usually think "Trans people are okay just don't play in women's sports." The last part is probably just because of the media

>>8931
As someone who plays semi-competitive mixed sports, I've seen frustration when an opposing team has a trans woman. I've never seen direct comments to a trans player, but venting to our own team that they 'have an extra man on their team'. I'm chill enough that I don't care, but yes, in my limited observation and in the sports and culture I live within, trans women have been stronger players than other women, but aren't outside of the range I've seen among cis women either.

>>8632
Homophobia is just wheeled out to shut down discussions of transphobia. There's no homophobia that you can point to that isn't "oh those people think my lifestyle is lame." The majority of Western governments and international bodies support gays, and protecting gays and lesbians is often dog whistle for transphobia. "we gotta protect teh lezbians from men dressed as women" garbage. Its like when people bring up antisemitism to shut down Palestine discussions.

>>8633
In my experience irl when people bring up trans issues they'll talk about how being trans doesn't make sense, that its being pushed onto them, that its all a bunch of bullshit, that its emasculating. I've never heard the open calls for lynching trans people that you see online. That kind of transphobe is rare. The gay transphobes are usually pretty quiet in public but will bitch about it when it comes up. Generally, day to day people treat trans people with a mix of ambivalence and discomfort rather than ideological transphobia.

I also don't think people are anti-trans because the ruling classes push the hard ideological transphobia. Its because the concept of being transgender doesn't make sense to them or they associate transgenders with woke culture, anti-religion, sex work, porn etc. they see it as something porn adjacent that should belong in a red light district and not out in the open. Its a clash of worldviews basically.

>>8939
> I also don't think people are anti-trans because the ruling classes push the hard ideological transphobia. It’s because the concept of being transgender is shaped by the ruling class.
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>>8634
The less-passing girl was so hot before transition omfg

>>8637
>Looking on centralized social media*
>If you got off twitter and touched digital grass instead, as both "normies" and "non-normies" do, then you'll see otherwise.
I only started seeing more homophobia when I stopped using centralized social media. I partly think my therapy conversion therapy was caused because I stopped having a algorithmic "safespace"

>>8931
Yeah >>8932 like kinda implies, there is a sense of "unfairness" and honestly I think it's legit. I'm a cis-man who barely does any sport, but I could tell from childhood that male bodies don't develop like female bodies from birth, and this is important, especially in competitive practice.
I'm favor of creating a special trans category because it would be interesting and after all, when it comes to physical features and the idea of gender, it goes back to the concept of Third Gender/Sex in a lot of culture; or on the contrary creating a new completely mixed category without any distinctions.

>>8931
>The last part is probably just because of the media
Yes it literally is, the literal Olympics even did a study to prove that the biological advantage thing is pure bullshit.
>>8932
>As someone who plays semi-competitive mixed sports, I've seen frustration when an opposing team has a trans woman. I've never seen direct comments to a trans player, but venting to our own team that they 'have an extra man on their team'.
Althetes who complain are just sore losers looking for a socially acceptable outlet to blame their losses on.
>>8949
>there is a sense of "unfairness" and honestly I think it's legit. I'm a cis-man who barely does any sport, but I could tell from childhood that male bodies don't develop like female bodies from birth, and this is important, especially in competitive practice.
Please stop basing your view that certain groups should be classified as second class citizens based entirely on vague vibes you have. Do people think HRT is just placebo or something?

>>8949
>Unique genetic advantages
I sleep
>Doping
I sleep
>Racial differences
I sleep
>Trans women
OY VEY ACHTUNG MANLY MALE MEN IN MUH WOMEN'S SPORT HOW CAN POOR REAL WOMBYN GET THROUGH THIS?:(:(:(:(

>Nabil Anane sniping short men from like 3 meters away
I sleep
>Thomas Hearns sleeping tiny fat Roberto Duran by being basically slenderman
I sleep
>Cris Cyborg being a demonic she-creature terrorizing women's MMA by being fuckhuge
I sleep
>Carlos Prates murdering elite fighters while barely even training and taking care of his diet and also smoking by just being a freakshow of athletic talent
I sleep
>Sean O'Malley bullying midgets in banthamweight
I sleep
>trans women in sports
OH MY DAYS THIS IS LIKE ANOTHA SHOAH!

>>8950
>Althetes who complain are just sore losers looking for a socially acceptable outlet to blame their losses on.
You're glossing over this, which is a shame because there are other underlying issues at play. I'm busy at work so you can take the opportunity to start exploring by yourself: why do mixed sports exist?

>>8964
>why do mixed sports exist?
This is a difficult question to answer because they segregate things completely arbitrarily at times, like chess. I guess the answer is "because the people in charge decided to allow it"? I have no idea what this has to do with my post, though.

>>8636
Not exactly true. They may isolate ones who don’t look “glamorous”

In my experience, it’s not the normies you need to look out for. It’s other minorities, people who were bullied and ostracized are the cruelest.

>>8632
They're casually homophobic/transphobic in an unthinking sort of way which is often slightly incoherent (e.g. having some LGBTQ people they like or accept in the right context), which is important to distinguish from the antisocial insanity of obsessive politicised homophobes and transphobes. (In a certain sense their pathology is their obsession rather than their prejudice.)

As society as a whole gets more tolerant normies get with the program. The current backlash is rooted in reactionary forces and hardcore assholes picking up an obsession rather than normies "having enough" of oddballs.

Are you a zoomer? As an elder millennial me, you seem to have no idea how homophobic millennial youth culture used to be. F-word bombs galore, everyone called each other fake and gay, etc.

>>8632
Yes, they are. Especially transphobic. These stats are probably even worse now since 2024.

Every post about pride gets spammed by retards saying it shouldn't exist, and gays are just attention seekers. It's disgusting.

No, normal people are supportive, it is only the freak christians and fringe rightoids who are transphobic. All the reform supporters I have ever interacted with are actually not transphobic once you show them you are not a paedophile. They are just told by the reactoid media that all trans women are paedos. The people are GOOD.

You need to surround yourself with a trusted group and move in a circle you confirmed is supportive. I know 2 transwomen in serbia that do that and they manage to keep themselves safe.

anecdotal but most of the homophobic cishet dudes ik aren't homophobic out of religious belief but just don't like men acting effeminately. They could care less about bears and lesbians but hate stereotypically effeminate gay men and MtF trans, its just them thinking men acting fruity is yucky. Also a significant amount of straight america more or less believes in separate but equal for straights and gays. Unlike religious reactionaries they don't want the federal government to actively discriminate against gay people but they also don't want to ever see or interact with them in any meaningful way. I'm perfectly aware thats contradictory and makes no fucking sense but this is a prejudice we're discussing after all. That being said I'd still say most people in general aren't crazy homophobic since getting your dick inna twist about muh queers is for idealists and christcucks who don't care about actual real life problems like having bills to pay or one of the multiple disease outbreaks.

>t.straight dude

>>10108
grim

>>10108
British people are incredibly evil, holy shit

>>10115
Yeah honestly this country is fucked.

>>10111
I'm sorry but that's just not true, at best they will think you're "one of the good ones", but most likely they're just agreeing with you to make you go away because it takes more courage to attack you to your face than to spew their bile online

>>10116
It's not that Brits are inherently evil, it's that the British press is the single most malicious media institution in the world and they've launched a massive hate campaign.

Even before it was in full swing in the 2020s they hounded a trans teacher to her death in the early 2010s, and all closed ranks after some columnist wrote transphobic things and then got (very mild) backlash on twitter, leading them to throw a fit and delete their account. (In part there's an obvious class dynamic here - in the British sense of class - "how dare you talk back to me", "how dare you think you get to decide things about your own life", etc) Similar dynamics underpin their general loathing of youth and optimism.