it's because it's festering with reactionaries who like to pretend calling out their discriminatory rhetoric de-centers the class struggle, when really they are always the first to de-center the class struggle by discriminating against comrades. If you point any of this out you get dismissed as a revisionist jewish nigger
I prefer /siberia/ to /leftypol/ anyways
It's because jannies ban anyone who goes against the current groupthink
THEY ALWAYS DO THIS AND HILARIOUSLY ONCE THE GROUPTHINK FLIPS YOU CAN GET BANNED FOR THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE REASONS FROM BEFORE
So you want to turn /leftypol/ into every other online leftist space where you get banned for saying faggot or 'misgendering'?
Hi im a transgender person and i think thats a dumb idea but also dislike reactionaries im one of the good ones i guess you could say :)
Retard shit everywhere ever since idpol became good when it isn't about killing minorities
Shay, as you know a lot of the regular mods are trans like yourself. However they don't have the restraint you do and take the slightest or joke or negative reference to trans as some massive personal attack on their existence. I know your are close with a lot of the mods so I ask you, please tell the jannies to touch grass. It's for their own benefit as well as the good of the site.
You don't get banned for saying faggot or misgendering. You should rightfully be banned and re-educated for being a homophone and a transphobe.
Once the Ukraine war ends the CIA / GU glowies will ease up a bit and mods won't have to put up with either's idpol.
When you make reactionary jokes, retards think they are in good company. Its like when you're in good company, you can make bigoted jokes because everyone knows you're joking, but if you're around rightoids, they will take that as a green light to be racist justified through "jokes". You can't deny we have reactionary bigots in our midst.
>>24308>You don't get banned for saying faggot or misgendering
Read my post again, I'm saying that is what would happen to leftypol if we started purging all the 'reactionaries' like that anon suggested. You 100% do get banned for saying faggot on leftist reddit, hell on r/socialism you can get banned for calling someone 'crazy'.
>>24308>banned and re-educated for being a homophone
>>24310>You can't deny we have reactionary bigots in our midst.
No shit Sherlock this is an anonymous imageboard. I know some socialist subreddits preemptively ban accounts from posting based on their post history, maybe that would be a better environment for you.
>>24310>You can't deny we have reactionary bigots in our midst.
You should encourage the mods to zealously ban anyone who even smells like a reactionary bigot, that will definitely help solve your low engagement problem :)
what was the average ip count at its peak
Please go back
ah so you're on some fbi.gov trying to push leftypol to the right. You have the same fucking posting style.
reddit is more your speed
I got banned from reddit.
I got banned years ago and can't even remember why, haven't been on that godawful site since.
Now tell me more about these fbi.gov servers pushing leftypol to the right, anon.
i'm sure the soyjak one raids leftypol on a daily basis.
Soyfags hate fbi.gov, retard. How new are you?
They say it and yet go there anyways.
Maybe you should take people's claims at face value less.
Oh so you have evidence of the racist soyjak people coordinating a campaign to push leftypol to the right?
ITT: Redditors admit to getting banned from reddit for idpol, and in doing so admit to using reddit for anything but tech support for stuff without proper git repositories back when fbi.gov didn't fill that role.
anti-idpol bros…did we get exposed?>>24331
i know for a fact that soyteens come here to shit up leftypol. I just presume it's for that reason
And you think the soyteens are in this thread?
I wouldn't see that as an issue since you should be interested in quality not quantity. At the same time there has been a reduction in post quality over the last several months. It's not even reactionaries or schizos per se but a more general, global development.
Oh well, at this point I think "just let it die".
It's remarkable how one shitpost on their raid board can make schizophrenic leftypolers so paranoid. Soyteens are smarter than we give them credit for.
I don't even go there I pretty much only use this site for /siberia/. Sometimes I check the /alt/ boards but that's all.
Are you talking about soybooru? Isn't that board paid users only?
>>24339>The only cases where i agree for anti-LGBT content to be banned on sight is when some retard derail threads that had nothing to do with it by bringing their anti-lgbt derangement (it used to happen a lot) or spamming (((LE NODICED))) screencap from /pol/.
That's always what it is tho, or astroturfing which should count as commercial advertising. Anti-LBGT rhetoric is ultimately just a product they're selling. We should be no more tolerant of idpol than we would be of NordVPN ads.
This place does seem stale and dying tbh.
>>24299>thread about leftypol user count decreasing>somehow turns into unhinged lgbt rants and "I am pro-lgbt BUT
wtf is that picture real
It's the CIA/GRU's way of kicking us while we're down.
>>24308>You should rightfully be banned and re-educated for being a homophone and a transphobe.
but how do you get re-educated if you are banned?
It gives you time to lurk so when the ban expires you'll have learned.
It's because of the over-agressive moderation, samey posts, a lack of merketing, and a lack of any element of fun in the board culture. There's no new /pol/ face, porky, stirnerposting, or flavor of the week intellectuals to lighten the mood and keep more serious discussion fresh.
What I wonder is where people went? Are there fbi.gov groups that formed? Did they go to reddit or some other obscure place?
The posts get shittier and shittier , all full of reactionaries
Probably to Twitter, and now Activitypub and Tumblr.
>>24348>There's no new /pol/ face, porky, stirnerposting, or flavor of the week intellectuals to lighten the mood and keep more serious discussion fresh.
Actual reason it declined tbh.
Also leftypol is, like it's name let it supposed, a politic focused site, when there isnt a lot of eventful actuallity what do you want to talk about? The ukraine war is on its way out and the only thing the RW sperg about is… calling everyone a groomer and the elon buying twitter. There just isnt much to react to and discuss about these days.
/pol/ manage to stay affload because they run on straight up fake headlines and made up problems to keep it active.
There's lots happening we just need more international posters but its hard since were English speaking
Yeah i was talking about anglo politics obviously. Also haz and his loony gang have become more and more irrelevant over the last month and they were good lolcows now we dont have much to chew on beside insane rightoid sceencap from twitter talking about cunny.
YOU FUCKING TURDS, ITS THE HOLIDAYS, PEOPLE ARE SPENDING TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES NOT TERMINALLY SHITPOSTING ON A SCHIZOBOARD WHICH IS A GOOD THING. TOUCH GRASS AND DRINKS SOME EGGNOG MOTHERFUCKERS
For some reason, I thought bans meant you couldn't see the board.
We need people posting /Siberia/ silly posting to sites like Tumblr to get people interested. That way people know we do more than politics here. Also we need to make it more clear that our anti-idpol rule isn't just a shield to do idpol under like how old leftypol and reddit use it, because I think that's what a lot of leftists remember leftypol for.
Mods need to make it explicit in the rules that we do not support reactionary homophobic, racist, sexist etc statements and it gets a ban
The main issue is, what does the leftypol offer? Like for what purpose would people want to come here? Despite being a regular here I keep avoiding talking about politics, because the discourse here is so dogshit. Everyone is overly combative, not to be ableist but the concentration of genuinely mentally ill people is too high, rampant misogyny, there is fucking rape porn posted all over siberia, so no chance of any woman ever joining this place.
My point being, this site needs to decide what it wants to be and market itself accordingly.
>>24359>because I think that's what a lot of leftists remember leftypol for.
Yeah, from skimming twitter and tumblr tons of peoples there know leftypol exist but they dont want to post there because they mainly remember it as "r/stupidpol, the imageboard version".>>24360
IDK if banning it is necesserally the solution tho, unless its bordering on spam (like it often is lets be honest).
Banning should be used only as last resort, free speech is a cornerstone of anonymous imageboard (or at least should be). But yeah, there needs to be a clear visible announcement concerning "official" leftypol positions on these issues, so that even if you have some tard spamming about how homosexuality is bourgeois perversion, people who visit can immediately tell it is indeed just some tard, and not representative of the site at large.
i agree that would be the better alternative
Maybe have a bigger variety of bans and public shaming
Ban from>this thread>this section>site
For>variable N days
Or literally until after reeducation where they can appeal after explaining what they did wrong
You seriously think the site would be better if we didn't ban anyone?
It's a conundrum. Some fresh eyes on the site would help push the brainworms out, but getting people to give it a chance is the hard part.
I know a lot of twitter people got interested in 4chan /lbgt/ because of that "/tttt/ takes" account, and I'd say /leftypol/ isn't nearly as bad as 4/lbgt/. It feels doable.
Absolutely no one's been saying that
>>24365>Or literally until after reeducation where they can appeal after explaining what they did wrong
In the thread for all to see*
New people would also bring with them their own content and culture which would be an infusion the site needs. Lots of oldfags still hold onto the autism of "chan culture" and are conservative about it, getting butthurt if anything is reddit or twitter like. And while we don't want the place to turn into something totally different, everything evolves.
Oh, since your on, could you consider >>24360
's idea? I know the rules technically cover it but saying directly it in plain terms would be good optics.
I guess I can't disagree with it, I will bring it up.
>>24367>I know a lot of twitter people got interested in 4chan /lbgt/ because of that "/tttt/ takes" account, and I'd say /leftypol/ isn't nearly as bad as 4/lbgt/. It feels doable.
Exactly, if it worked for /lgbt/ (which is mostly a cesspool) it will work for leftypol.
Also there's a already a leftypol twitter acc no?
the fundamental design philosophy behind imageboards was never free speech or anonymity, it's ease of access. you don't need an account to post, but boards have always had rules restricting content and people can use names/trips if they want
How about something like "zero tolerance for any sort of unironic bigotry except class hatred"?
The unironic stipulation could lead to plausible deniability tactics, but something like that could work. It needs to be clear when someone is mocking a bigoted talking point, so bigots don't think they've found good company.
>>24361>The main issue is, what does the leftypol offer? Like for what purpose would people want to come here?
I go here for the sources/pdfs since this has had more than I could find on reddit. Also even though the discourse isn't great it still manages to be better than what I've seen on reddit. (although I generally don't go for the discourse unless it's the rare intelligent discourse where I learn something.) Browsing feels like going through a goodie box and eventually being able to pull out something good.
Well there's always people doing ironic racism etc when they are making fun of right wingers. If you just say no tolerance for bigotry people will be asking why somebody wasn't banned for greentexting what the capitalists are thinking like>yes yes white proles, the uyghurs and jews are your enemy!>me on the other hand I am your friend because I too am white>don't be fooled by the pay cut you're about to take!
I think we need to make it clear that we are communists not left wing shitlibs. Take notes on /r/chapotraphouse and /r/genzedong who had HUGE subscriber counts and based Stalin and Mao quoting Autobots. The aesthetic of Marx Engels Lenin Mao Stalin should be leaned into harder to maybe reclaim more people through harsh anti-bourgeois anti-landlord propaganda.
We also need higher quality. Yeah I'm not the highest quality poster, but we need a way for the legitimate HQ effort posts to shine and stand out and also be easily accessible. Theyre often hidden in random threads pages down. Maybe a "best of" built into the site to mark and browse HQ posts, and higher quality theory curation. I think the image board format lacks in comparison to reddit which allows editable stickies to compile HQ content into one place
I think we all can read and understand that though. The mods decide. But its just a change in the rules we can point to when people post bigotry and fall behind "le based leftypol anti-idpol olden dayse"
a lot of places are like this and have a bigger user base tbh. turns out the confusing interface, lack of accountability, confusing anons for each other, lumping anons in with each other, cruel, sociopathic, and callous discourse, lack of comradery, and anti-social user base of imageboards (in general) is what is responsible
link up with lemmygrads ML site with a mutual link on the sidebar
my two suggestions
I agree with other users on anti-trans/lgbt stuff honestly its 99% just wreckers peeing and shitting
Leftists (encompassing communists since they're pretty much synonymous aside from some meme ideologies) need a place for serious political discussion and silly posting in an anonymous forum. Doing redditoid greatman theory shit and spamming le funni idpol to seperate oneself from "shitlibs" (learn what liberal means please) is what keeps /leftypol/ from being a good option for that.
>using IPs as a metric
shiggy diggy. that said, PPD is clearly down from last year. I haven't seen a 100 let alone a 200 daily peak for a long time.>>24301
Fuck off newfag.
It's obviously not good, but it's certainly not the cause for traffic decline. /leftypol/ had far, far more in its golden years, in fact it was common to see unironic nazi and ancap flags.
This isn't a new conversation. There are many likely causes:
0) post-8chan; no free advertising (apart from literal /pol/ users)
1) approximately no culture production, and approximately no value production (and the few things of value we do make, such as translations and NM articles, their threads are not shared to an external audience)
2) mod sterilization and splits. sterilization forms a slow but constant decline, as regular users become collateral damage and certain mods ban stuff they don't like instead of reading the fucking rules.
3) The Death Of Imageboards doesn't help
These problems have solutions. Some we can make happen, others rely on the mod team recognizing this site is on its way to dying and to listen to the things we've been saying in every damn meta thread. Give the known problem mods a fucking smack and if they can't play nice, kick them.
As for things the community can do:
Name 5 original leftypol memes in the last two years.
Wojaks and derivative memes obviously don't count. We didn't even invent le /pol/ face (krautchan were using it first) and we certainly couldn't reproduce the 2020 raids with this site. Grace is a /monarchy/ meme.
Did you help encourage any that someone else invented?
Post 5 post screencaps you took (that aren't about you)
Have you shared them anywhere that isn't /leftypol/ or its booru?
People will always suggest watermarking at this point, but remember, it's like an artist signature. Don't do obnoxious shilling like the 9gag and reddit watermarks, it's just a small note in the bottom corner. NEVER BE A MARKETING SHILL. NEVER SPAM SHIT THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT POSTED WHERE YOU BROWSE.
>>24301>>24310>>24315>>24359>>24360>>24375>>24383>dude just turn the place into reddit/tumbler lmao
then what would be the point in people not just using reddit instead?
reddit is ran by right wing billionares and inhabited by insufferable fucking libs and this place is at least filled with other leftists to argue about who is the bigger lib with
thats the appeal and why im here, banning porn would just make it possible to reccomend to other people without looking like a weirdo
You can't use reddit they literally ban every communist sub
Half of those replies you quoted suggested things that would deredditize the site.
ITT website preference idpol
I think the best strat to make this site get more ips is to make an iphone app to post with. If it wasn't for the android app, (which I'm using right now), I would post here a third of the time
>>24392>bourgeois apple users on the site
Lots of proles use iphnes. Old iphones are cheap on eBay or from the neighborhood thief.
>>24393>Calls apple users bourgeoisie<Still hasn't communalizes bussy and sit on my face
What browser are you using? I'm phone posting rn, and aside from the buttons being a little small the site is pretty usable in Kiwi browser. In fact I haven't needed to install any social media apps since the webapp always seems to be superior. Plus uBlock filters are an option when you do that.
iphone is made in china
iphone is made by communists
>>24385>1) approximately no culture production, and approximately no value production (and the few things of value we do make, such as translations and NM articles, their threads are not shared to an external audience)
i could try to draw more alunya pics, and eventually try to branch off from there. that seems to be the site mascot afaik, even if she may or may have not originally been here. in general there seems to be a lack of artists now…?
>>24388>banning porn would just make it possible to reccomend to other people without looking like a weirdo
The porn should be moved to dedicated porn board, or the hard-core pornography banned. I dont want to loose the muscle-girl thread, and I dont think anyone is getting offended by seeing a pair of tits, but why the fuck is shit like this still up and not even spoilered >>350156.>>24366
The purpose of moderation is to a.) uphold quality standards; and b.) preserve local culture. As yourself, is the socialist identity or over board quality in danger? Like if someone is trying to own the libs in every thread and generally just shitting all over the board, ban then, but if some ancap makes a thread to challenge the locals to a debate, its just whatever.
The way I see it, /leftypol/ needs more quality control, /edu/ needs to be moved on the top bar next to /leftypol/ rather than be stuck between two other dead boards, and /siberia/ needs to be left to evolve into left-wing incel board it was always meant to be. Those boards are the three pillars on which leftypol.org could stand, each filling a niche that people might actually be interested in - discussing contemporary politics, marxist theory, posting ">tfw no gf", but in like, non-sexists way.
actually i believe /siberia/ was always meant to be a porn board because its the addictive substance that makes imageboards attractive in the first place
I like cooming as much as the next man but we really shouldn’t allow porn here. There’s no practical need (it’s everywhere on the internet) and all it does is lower the discourse. What are the positives? All I can think of are negatives.
Personally it makes me hesitate to browse especially around other people. It shits up the board. That one porn thread anon linked above should be deleted
In case you two aren't joking, we already have an overboard for sfw content by filtering the main overboard for spoilered OP images. If we must do anything to decrease porn activity, how about no porn replies in threads that doesn't have spoilered OP images.
I also purpose an nsfw overboard, to show only spoilered OPs, and an auto-unspoiler setting.
Idpol loving liberals in denial can't let a place exist that is untainted by their presence and will actively seek out places full of class reductionists for them to berate
Learn what liberal means.
i wanna coom to communist-approved pornography THO and not in a 4cuck thread made by a chvd
Then move it to a nsfw board and make the rest of the site blue
/leftypol/ has lost the need to exist because it has made itself replacable with twatter and reddit. Its just gonna go downhill from here on and we already see how the collective autism score points, the thick skin, the uniqueness and the creativity of this place has eroded away.
I know what it means, the fact that you and everyone like you can't see that pushing the same ideology that leads to fucking corporate DEI commissars makes you a useful idiot for liberalism isn't my problem.
You know, if you have an objection to something someone says, it would be actually helpful to constructively voice them, rather than screaming about how everyone around you is a liberal. Even if they are, well, educate them, right now you arent helping.
What's so unique about leftypol?
What's with imageboards and their sense of alleged uniqueness?
it'd be kinda cringe to have a board dedicated exclusively to porn doe it'd make us look like coomers.
You can't reason someone out of identity politics for the same reason you can't reason people out of religion; it's an immaterialist cult.
You guys are already cooners anyway.
>omg look at those honkers
>ewww she looks awfully young, this is pedophilia
>big black cock instead white femboy is my treat
>why am I horny and lonely after age 25?
Could you elaborate on why do you think that?
>>24413>Not wanting reactionaries derailing discussions means wanting DEI commissars
As though the end goal of the anti-woke psyop isn't asking gubbermint to regulate people you deem "too diverse" out of existence. I hope you're just a glowie and there aren't people who really think like this.
Identities are material and have unique difficulties for liberation that need to be integrated into any Marxist understanding of class oppression. Often when people on this site oppose "identity politics" they cast a wide net that includes simply calling out outright reactionary behavior. Like you just did for example by saying an anon who wants racist and homophobic rhetoric banned is engaging in idpol when really they are simply opposing reactionary rhetoric you tacitly support.
Learn what idpol means instead of parroting YouTubers.
The uniqueness is conveyed to them because they are unimaginative reactionaries as mostly just saying ethnic slurs to other people. It isn't about being creative or saying random shit it is just solely about being racist/homophobic/sexist shit because that is all they are capable of being because image board cretins are nowadays just not very creative now.
Well thanks but we do need more than Alunya pics, as lovely as they are.
In fact, production is only half the problem. The other half is that very few users repost things from here they liked.
That's why I talked about screencaps and all that. We don't have a sharing or communal culture. At best, we have a few people importing memes from other places or recycling ones from over 5 years ago (no disrespect for reposting the classics, but catgirls, stirner and porky are not enough to substitute reposting new, original things you liked from here)
How can you be such a dumbass you think anti-wokeism is the psyop and not wokeism itself?
Ask any white working class person why they don't like the left and 9 out of 10 times they will say it's because of gender woo shit and racial grievance politics. Wokeism is fucking lab designed to be as off putting to normie workers as possible, and it works wonders. It is the most effective (domestic, obviously) intervention against the left in history.
You people are a bunch of fruit juice drinking sandal wearing nudists, and it's the reason why leftism in the west is so fucking weak.
If you want wrongthink banned go join some Sakai book club or something. LeftyPOL not Leftylikeeveryothergoddamnplaceyoupeopleruined
>>24425>He thinks it's wokism instead of all the government assassinations of people who prove to be a threat to porky
really drank the coolaid. Continue to scold people out of revenge for the cringe that you bear for being a "leftist" you realize the wisdom of marx, but you're too much of a coward to walk your own path. You are cursed with impotence, your cum has no meaning and your muscles have no use.
>>24426>You have to let us spread inaccurate bigoted talking points about you because you aren't white cishet>if you don't let me you are a sakaist
What the fuck is wokeism
I'm literally just a prole transhumanist sick of being confronted with murder threats on every other image board
>>24425>You people are a bunch of fruit juice drinking sandal wearing nudists, and it's the reason why leftism in the west is so fucking weak.
When you have no factual points to make you resort to slanderous simile
Wokism is the will of those who are against the cultural machanizations of the wilks, the soros, the musks.
And like every other adherent to the woke cult, you deny it exists and act like we both don't know exactly what I'm talking about. You are all dishonest scum and a pox on socialism.
Everyone I disagree with is a bigot, the more they disagree with me, the more bigoted they are.
or better yet just stay there.
Get off twitter stupid essentialist
You are either a proud class reductionist or a useful idiot for liberalism, there are no other choices
Also anyone who posts anime should commit an hero
Why are guys replying to the soyjak party raiders? Over boilerplate "le wokes bad" talking points.
Just report the spam, watch with popcorn if you must, but don't make the raid fun for them.
>>24425>Ask any white working class person why they don't like the left and 9 out of 10 times they will say it's because of gender woo shit and racial grievance politics
They wont tho. They will say something along the lines of "communism works only on paper". Also, are we communists or fucking populists? Picking politics based on opinions polls is what every other politician already does, there is no point in it. The party is supposed to be a vanguard, not trail behind public opinions shaped by media narratives.
Yeah bro anyone who thinks DSA types are a bunch of useless faggots are raiders, there could never be organic opposition to people on The Right Side of History
You guys are literally posting nicalado hole.
You don't have to be a populist to realize that things that are massively unpopular outside of academia and affluent liberal suburbs are toxic to the left gaining mainstream support.
Besides that, the whole "communism only works on paper" shit isn't how it's done. I get rightoids to agree with me on direct quotes from Marx, Lenin and Stalin, and when you explain how Russia went from sick old man of Europe to the first spacefaring country ever due to communism it dispels that. They don't like the left purely due to retarded shitlib culture war nonsense, the vast majority of people support left wing economics because it is common sense.
He seems to forget that most working class people are generally rather centrist on social views. They think trans shit is silly but don't really want to kill them off like stupidpolfags want to do (They do this because being associated with transsexuals embarrasses them)
Because responding in a serious civil manner is what forces them to expose themselves as nothing but troll. If someone makes somehow bigoted statement and nobody challenges them on it, it might come off as silent approval, but when you push them and they start screeching about wokeism, it shows that they are not to be taken seriously, and that there are people here opposing social conservativism.
I don't know what that is and I refuse to look it up
Transgender thinks internet board with mild criticism of the wider social movement wants to literally genocide them
Many such cases
let us be real, transsexuals are rentfree in your head. I got off stupidpol and barely fucking see them, even in le woke places. One of the games that I play which is called Caves of Qud is "woke" as shit but even then I only really see trans shit like not that much at all?
Like seriously if you think the troons are the reason why the left is hated you have much more than just mild criticism of them
So what about eastern european countries in last 30 years? Communism has been crushed in them, but "liberal idpol" is not really a major topic anywhere. Certainly wasnt during 1990s and 2000s.
Transgenders are too small a population with too many real issues to be the people destroying the left, it's the batshit insane, mostly young, mostly financially upwardly mobile white women "activists" that do that.
These stupidpol fags joined the left in like 2016-2020 or so and project all the failures of the left on weird liberals who don't even want communism in the first fucking place. Like the majority of proles they clamour for social democratic policies because they realize the fact that capitalism is full of shit but haven't been despoked yet by all the propaganda that's been fed to them. THAT is much more damaging to the socialist cuase than weird twitter people.
Seriously. Come the fuck on.
I'd say that cops killing leftists off in the middle of protests with nary a peep from MSM does that, but wait you're too busy kvetching about how cringe it all is. You are a pathetic capitulator who is afraid of backtalk from the right because you think they are cool.
Guess what, they are also fucking cringe. How about that.
This dude says it in a way that I'm too lazy, high and retarded to do. I don't hate women and minorities, in fact I think wokeism hurts them more than anyone else by taking their time and energy that could be put into radical class based action and diffusing it on useless posturing that will never achieve anything meaningful.
The right is fucking retarded, I hate wokeism because I want the left to actually have power instead of sitting with their thumbs up their asses discussing things that in the face of capitalism are complete trivialties.
Where's that DSA clapping video when you need it
Y'know what i kind of agree with you in that i might just be in a bad mood. Still I do think woke shit is dying off so i would not worry about it.
I should apologize for being rude.
I'm Canadian so if I seem standoffish about it that's why, sorry for being a dick.
Our current government is the epitome of what wokeism gets you, complete symbolic gestures while everything else burns.
Here is the thing, if you cant convince some of the most oppressed and exploited groups in society that class based organization adresses their needs better than idpol ones, clearly the fault does not lie with them. Either you are fucking up, or the circumstances are extremely unfavourable.
>>24455>Where's that DSA clapping video when you need it
yeah this definitely isn't 'obsessing over trivialities' anon.
Show me where I said I blame minorities
Read Inventing Reality and failing that read Manufacturing Consent, it is very clear who to blame for the false consciousness infecting the world
I take this as a good thing that us communists are too busy touching grass,organizing and advancing the goals of the revolutionary proletariat and are too busy to shitpost. Once socialism is established and /leftypol/ is the official state social media we will enter a new golden age of socialist shitposting
When the largest "socialist" project in America is nothing more than a bunch of soft faggots who can't even handle the sound of clapping, it isn't trivial.
the fact that you think this issue is worth caring about like 3-4 years after it happened is just proof of how reactionism is cancer. you hyperobsess over the trivial while accusing everyone else of doing it.
Why hasn't this been moved to >>>/meta/
Ill never stop posting here cuz at its core Communist 4chan is a cool idea thats better than posting on actual 4chan and the worst shitflinging here is high-minded and vigorous intellectual debate compared to regular 4chan threads. I agree about the identity crisis and we could probably attract alot of new users if the mods finally purged the users who get all pissy when someone mentions genders or woman
>the user count is pretty low these days-
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gee I wonder why
yes people should stop whining about it so we can move on finally.
That specific issue is unimportant, it is simply one thing out of thousands that demonstrate how weak the anglo left is. They fucking venerate weakness, you can not find a better example of slave morality if you tried.
If we all just stop complaining about why people left and change nothing about it they'll surely come back
This board is filled with people by default more sympathetic to class politics than virtually any other place, and you still fail convince anyone to stop caring about LGBT right or whatever. So the issues is clearly you.
I don't want people to stop caring about LGBT rights, I want them to realize that a truly equal society for minorities is a pipe dream until the capitalists, who greatly benefit from said inequality, are permanently removed from power.
So what's your solution, allow reactionaries to run riot until this is indistinguishable from 'the other leftypol'?
nobody on this board disputes this though
i'd say that half of the ukraine thread wants to gulag regular fags just to look cool to russians.
You're a fucking moron seriously touch grass
>Try to effortpost
>Try to start an interesting thread
>Try to argue with people in here
<they all move the goalposts and argue in bad faith
It's no a matter of moderation or idpol but the fact that most people here are retarded cunts.
what posts did you make because its hard to find anything with all the spam
>Things like not wanting transpeople to kill themselves and respecting their gender identification with is not wokeism, but some of the philosophy transpeople like yourself wrongly think they need to justify their identification can be depending on the specific claims and framework. Most of what people call 'woke' as it applies to gender is actually related to nonbinary nutters, such as "degendering" everything.
Thanks for telling me what I think I guess? Maybe ask me next time first though. Philosophical justification lol maybe read 101 endocrinology and human sexual dimorphism theory and get unspooked by gender binaries
Autistic people with sensory overload issues are "soft faggots"? You cant help but bring up your homophobia into conversations about completely unrelated topics. It shows your socialization is mega reactionary and right wing despite being here
They're probably not on /leftypol/ anymore, I haven't posted in weeks.
So you're anticapitalist, really unique view for this board in your opinion? Congratz. Sit down and stfu about lgbt people and minorities now, who do NOT care what you think.
I'm a transhumanist I should sit down and shut up because my rights are "unpopular"? Stfu rightoid
Its how image boards have always been, sorry anon
Might as well ⚓ already. It was productive up until the soy raid. We may get clearer rules and more Alunya pics out of it, but now it's just boilerplate arguing about what counts as idpol.
All the good people must have realized that communism is an awful murderous ideology and left.
Conclusion, ban reactionary shit with more might even when "ironic" (except when green texting or making fun of rightoids). Edgy bigoted "leftism" cannot continue to take hold on leftypol.
These libs are cringe but don't use that as an excuse to dehumanize and ridicule people with sensory overload issues who deserve respect. In huge venues like this it looks a little absurd and abstract, but when you know the people who suffer from it it makes more sense.
Clapping is annoying. It's painful for people with sensory issues, it's annoying for most people, and it's just soy to clap in general. They were based for at least trying to find a less obnoxious solution.
The specifics of the gender binary are social constructs.
Liberation if the working class as a class is not a single monolithic task but one that for some people differs from the default requirements. Different categories of people can have different relations to the means of production in specific, despite being proletarian in general. Stop telling others what is relevant. Its literally life or death for trans people to be allowed to transition, a specific oppression of capitalism against them is to reproduce social conditions that stops them from doing so. Mere economic liberation alone is not enough for them. Why disenfranchise proles from socialism by telling them their issues aren't "relevant" when really they are specific conditions necessary for liberation from capitalism? Apply the Mass Line to trans people and you will find its not irrelevant. Take better positions and don't devolve to be less advanced than rightoids or else you are no more than one.
>Anything related to any identity issues one way or the other should be banned. This site should be dedicated to material politico-economic affairs only.
You want country generals banned? Let me guess you're white or otherwise racial majority cishet male?
>Anything related to any identity issues one way or the other should be banned. This site should be dedicated to material politico-economic affairs only.
Identify is determined in the last instance by the material base tho.
What does "being leftist or revolutionary" have to do with shit? A segment of the proletariat suffers from a form of oppression implemented and maintained by capitalism. Opposing it is the obvious communist position. You want to maintain the status quo for those people? How the fuck is that"leftist" ? Fucking moron
Americans LOVE to clap. And it is loud as hell. They clap for fucking everything. I support silent clapping.
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>reactionary posts completely made up bullshit against trans people
>directly contradicts themselves within their own image saying trans oppression is imagined while invoking literal death threats
>TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS TRANSHUMANISTS TROONS
Yep, definitely a 'sharty raid.
You literally posted a pic of a trans person being lynched
Jannies really just called it a night and logged off huh?
The jannies are based and up against massive swaths of retarded rightoids we can't expect immediate perfection
Yeah you're right, it's easy to overlook once it's gone but it was pretty bad a while ago.
>>24299>What makes the 'trans rights' rhetoric stuff so dumb is that there are no rights being denied to transpeople. You can transition legally so there's nothing to complain about.
What the fuck are you talking about idiot
just purge kautski ziggers, there problem solved
>conflict involving trans people being slandered by right wingers
>ban trans people from existing and mentioning that they are trans or defending themselves
Its not just a discussion topic trans people are actual people you know
>>24374>the fundamental design philosophy behind imageboards was never free speech
no, it was fun
>>24460>read a book made by someone who is friends and praised the CIA and supports american intervention in south american democracies
how about you read a book you fucking mong, you have a reddit tier liberal reading list then complain about 'wokeism'
chomsky is a fucking lib and so are you
this post predicted the rest of the thread
They are not massive swaths but barely a handful completely unhinged obsessives.
I have literally been saying this for like 5 years. Mods refuse to listen, now the consequences of their actions.
I have presented coherent, thought out solutions, only to be silenced in favour of the jannoids pride and foibles.
You all know this, they all know this. Only pure pig headedness stops the ascension of this board.
Endless cope will be employed to push back against me saying this, various different reasons why it’s not their fault, it’s inevitable because XYZ or it’s only happening because of people they don’t agree with and don’t like ruining things. Such is the mind of the moderator, they want full control with no accountability or responsibility, which is, what they have. Yes, they have ultimate power but if anything goes wrong… somehow not their fault..
In front of you are the results.
what were you proposing
A union of posters to discuss the board, form policy for the board, and, from this organised block, to be able to do other things like advertising in an organised manner, long term research projects, etc
Some more roleplaying? People wouldn't even post in the erp thread, why do you think they would engage with this?
People used to engage in things before all engagement was stamped out
(also, when tried, it had more engagement than the mods official chat, In 4 days, even despite mods continually attacking it, so, the want for engagement is there, it’s just simply not possible because the mods won’t allow it)
it all started with OLD BO's purge back in 2018. The fact is leftypol used to have thousands of posters and now it doesn't.
Its time to admit old BO's purge was a mistake
>social conservatives sperging out about LGBTQ people existing every chance they get to the point where they derail every thread that even tangentially mentions them
>CONSTANT bad faith arguments and replies from people who only care about being the edgiest little boy on a mongolian basket-weaving forum
>mods constantly tolerating dumbfucks who take bait from right-wing tourists because "hurr durr it's fun"
>pretentious armchair losers making bullshit pronouncements on parts of the world they've never been to and only know through porky's manufacture of consent through consumer media and social media propaganda
>MLs get to strawman other tendencies in bad faith in every thread but the moment they get a taste of their own medicine they chimp the fuck out
>weird nazbol/strasserite shit where people are actually shit-brained enough to believe cultural essentialism is a defensible position in the 21st century and not a bunch of dumb, vulgar bullshit
>CONSTANT /isg/ bullshit from spectacle-addicted losers leaking out from its containment thread, including a few choice schizos who get mad when people don't take their delusions seriously
TL;DR quality of discussion is always hit or miss on imageboards but in the past few years it as plummeted to the absolute fucking dregs on this site
Well the theoryposters have left or gotten tired of effortposting and the memers got purged largely in 2018 from old bo, so what you're left with is the bottom of the barrel largely.
The /pol/jak was funny though
What was BO/Old BO? I wasnt a poster back then
A retarded tankie that wanted to turn /leftypol/ into recruitment grounds for his dumbass Twitter friends.
As a lainchan tourist, this place seems to get enough traction. Dunno what you guys are complaining about
Isnt lainchan completely dead?
Most recent image on there was yesterday, so no. Just slow. I know they still have mods active keeping the CP bots at bay.
its time to let this shit thread die
Literally attempting to slide the thread when the posters express problems with the board
but there problems are
>trans people exist
The conversation had covered all useful bases early on, now it's just boilerplate.
Damn I ran out of skeleton pics. Need to find more.
I must admit, the pelvic bone got me all hot and bothered.
Women don't have bones in their right arms. Good to know for the next time I have to fight one.
That doesn't mean it needs to be brought up. No here should be bringing up whatever demographic they belong to while discussing subjects related to Marxism.
Anyone who feels the need the bend any discussion around whatever category of person they are is selfish.
What if the demographic in question are alter egos of Karl Marx?
>>24551>shut up and don't mention the fact that you're trans>Siberia is for Marxist discussion only
Anon I basically never bring it up myself its always brought up first by transphobes. Stop blaming me for reactionaries posting transphobia constantly. Look at this fucking thread made last night https://leftypol.org/siberia/res/350572.html
Look at all the reactionary transphobic posts in it.
STOP blaming trans people for rampant trans phobic discourse in this site
I'm not aiming you or transpeople. I'm blaiming culture conflict, bit the reality is this issue is so center-focus that site quality and mention of trans politics is incompatible.
Ban every single transphobe. How can they be HQ communists and also trans phobic?
can i keep the r-word please
>>24301>de-center the class struggle
A lot of words to say nothing at all. "Centering" is self-important social media attention economy drivel.
Its literally radlib vocab
this is a good rule lol
stop acting like you don't know what he means lol
>wow there aren't as many posters nowadays
<SWEETIE IF Y'ALL WANT MORE POSTERS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BAN MORE PEOPLE!
lol do newfags really
>>24563>transphobia posters are worth having on the board
We can open it up to literally anyone but its supposed to be -left-ypol not reactionarypol
People can drive others away, you know.
Has there been any rise in reactionary talk in the last week or so, or is this just another "neurotic Americans annoy everyone" episode?>>24565
2000 posters on 8chan btw
omg i miss all the raiding that really drove the ip count up lmao doesnt anyone else???????
Telling on yourself redditor, probably 2% Irish too>>24568
You don't miss it because you didn't even post then, as evidenced by the post you just made
School's done with it's fall term, so maybe it's the 'summerfag' effect.
Also soy party and crystal cafe planned back to back raids.
>>24563>Just become interchangable with any other imageboard and let reactionaries run rampant.
The main thing that makes leftypol stand out is how unreactionary it is compared to other boards, if we polished that up a bit more people would come.
Its constant. I guess I notice more cuz I'm a transhumanist and sensitive
Like they did with hexbear? The problem is people are annoying, and a site where you can get banned for hurting the feelings of the annoying retards that infest everywhere is unattractive. Remember the jannies already polished/micromanaged /siberia/ into the ground, it used to be as active as /leftypol/.>>24573
In what way, retards like >>350751 or posters who derail about it? Because the former is bannable and the latter used to be until people insisted we open discussion on idpol.
Class supercedes other identities someone might have like man or sexuality because class conciousness is the key to achieving a succesful communist society. All intersectionalists, homophobes, etc. will get extensive re-education.
Please point me to where in Marx, Lenin or Mao they talk about the importance of centering and de-centering.
There is no need for "discussion" ban all of one side - transphobes
Kill yourself retard
>>24575>In what way, retards like >>350751 or posters who derail about it? Because the former is bannable and the latter used to be until people insisted we open discussion on idpol.
Okay this is some strange wording.>retards like >>350751 or posters who derail about it?
That's redundant.>the latter used to be until people insisted we open discussion on idpol.
What do you mean by people insisting we open discussion on idpol? Is that why we don't have specific rules about it like >>24360
Also what are you saying things used to be like, in contrast to the former example.
shut up closet faggot
>>24581>Okay this is some strange wording.>That's redundant.
You'll probably see what I mean by derailing over it at some point, basically rather than starting a thread or something more obvious, a lot of the time it's brought up is because of its tangential relation to some other topic. Like say something happens in America and someone screenshots a Blaire White tweet about it, this is perfect opportunity for derailing onto a trans discussion without being a soy teen.>What do you mean by people insisting we open discussion on idpol?
Rules used to ban it all outright because when the board was made it was pretty much all anyone could talk about on the vast majority of the internet. IIRC it was relaxed during the George Floyd period because we also had a bunch of stupidpol transplants being retarded and calling stuff like the BPP idpol.>Is that why we don't have specific rules about it like >>24360 suggested?
Makes sense, although I imagine a good portion of the people who want it just want to be able to cry to the jannies since everyone keeps calling them a faggot because of their shitty posts.>>24582
Sabinyak on deez nuts lmao
The same thing that is wring with imageboard culture in general - elitism that breeds hostility to "newfags" and leads to stagnation. Also nobody seems to reach out to Left websites like the Grayzone.
I think the same. Old BO poisoned the well, and since then /leftypol/ never recovered, overnight most posters who weren't edgy proto-multipolaristas left and it became the premises of today's circlejerk.
That said, after each migration/split, post quality increased, but only to take a nosedive in the span of a year, every time for the worst.
At this point, che got their wishes fulfilled, /leftypol/ now has the "correct anti-imperialist line" they wanted, and it's complete shit, it's always the same geopolitical talking points and platitudes, the same half-dozen quotes of Marx, Engels and Lenin (On Authority, "the real movement", "he who doesn't work", the tidbit of Gothakritik describing communism as Marx envisioned it), the same historical debates about the Soviet bloc, mixed in with the occasional psychopathic take in the name of workers that would make an hardened neoliberal politician blush.
It would be fine to repeat the same shit over and over if the ideas were solid, but if you would expose the ideological stance of the average /leftypol/ poster to regular workers, 99% of them would find you batshit insane. The few people I know IRL who heard of /leftypol/ think you are a bunch of stupid LARPers, and I'm ashamed every time I mention to them I browse this shithole.
It's pretty telling that there is a ML party who echoes the exact same stances as the /leftypol/ consensus where I live, and it's the most irrelevant leftist party in the country, even more irrelevant than Trot parties.
I have no idea how you can attract new blood on an English-speaking imageboard when the userbase constantly shit on all Western workers for being "labor aristocrats PMCs who arent working class". You are alienating yourself from your own potential audience. The funniest thing about this is that all mods are Westerners AFAIK and a good part of them have jobs, and I don't understand how they cope with the cognitive dissonance.
As another anon said in another thread:>[/leftypol/ posters] suffer from the same pathology as /pol/, where they don't actually care about fixing problems caused by the system, they just want someone to hate.
I think /leftypol/ is pretty much doomed to a slow death because of this. The only new users you are going to attract are edgy Gonzaloid 16 year olds. None of this has to do with idpol
, it's not 2015 anymore. The real problem is that the views expressed on /leftypol/ at this point are appealing to no one except absolute contrarians who don't give a shit about the real present conditions of the working class and only want to jerk off to the edgy parts of communist history and nationalist skirmishes. I have recently read some blogposts by macroeconomics-obsessed Keynesian liberals that have more concerns for the well-being of workers worldwide than most hardcore proclaimed Marxists on this website, and it's quite concerning.>>24528
Kek, pretty good summary.
>>24556>How can they be HQ communists and also trans phobic?
because they're from the second or third world?
What kind of an excuse is that? They have the internet, they speak English, they can get educated.
What other websites would you recommend that are any better than this though?
Trans people exist in the second and third world. Being trans is material and probably genetic and embryonic. Are you calling third and second worlders dumb? If they have trouble with concepts like "be nice and don't discriminate" then they need massive reeducation
None. That's why I'm still here, but I'm starting to wonder if I should instead only restrict myself to Mastodon/Plemora, cut back on other social media, and rather start following blogs and touch more grass.
I've wasted a decade browsing imageboards, and while I've learned many things thanks to them—/leftypol/ unironically contributed a lot to my political literacy—I feel like I'm hitting a point of diminishing returns by now. It's only my personal experience, maybe yours differ and you can still get interesting things out of this place.
Nah I am also kind of getting bored of leftypol but I don't know what would be better to replace it. I've never tried Mastodon so maybe I should.
As for literacy yes the site has helped a lot to tell me about all the basic concepts since I am too lazy to read anything lol.
Who's on there tho, am I wrong thinking its far right leaning?
i had a mastodon once but stopped using it for whatever reason. is there a leftypol equivalent somewhere on it, or in the fediverse?
Well that's one thing, I wish I would read more often but I always take the easy path of firing up /leftypol/ (or tw*tter) and endlessly scroll and get offended at bad takes, and sometimes get stuck into a classic imageboard argument in bad-faith.
When I browsed /leftypol/ back on 8chan, I was amazed at all the posters knew about the history and theory of socialism, felt completely ignorant as a dilettante anarcho-socdem, so I wanted to read a bit to make up for my lack of knowledge, and learned many things about Marxism, anarchism and the history of the Eastern bloc.
I still had this feeling on bunkerchan and the early days of .org from times to times, but now it's not the case anymore. I'm not terribly well-read, my attention span is a mess, I'm lazy too and rarely feel like reading anything after my workday, but I don't see anyone here challenging my assumptions in a way that makes me feel I'm missing something and should educate myself some more. Something truly changed with the Russian-Ukranian war. The last recognizable poster who made me feel this way was Sabocat, and it seems like she has been MIA lately.
Maybe it's not just /leftypol/, maybe it's simply wage slavery slowly crushing my soul, but still, it comfort me in my idea.>>24595
On the contrary, the only problem with Mastodon I've seen so far is that a lot of political accounts I came across tend to be of the lib-leaning soft-anarchist type, which is hard to go back to when you have taken the /leftypol/ pill for years. That said, it's not like the nazbol/socially conservative productivist NEETs who populate this place now are much more likeable, and there are surprisingly very little reactionaries.
Otherwise, people seem to be pretty chill, there are many different instances, and it appeals to people knowledgeable in tech. It can't be that bad.>>24596>images (65) (15).jpeg
Predominantly left leaning.
The right isolate themselves to a bubble of bot infested instances that don't federate with anyone outside their bubble. This means most instances get to be very left since rightists only post on rightist instances.>>24597
Leftychan has a Pleroma instance.https://pleroma.leftychan.org
This is the working link:https://pleroma.leftychan.org/
It changes to org in the url bar for some reason, making an invalid link. Weird.
What the fuck? It's word filtered? Why?
Gotta defend those last 300 users lol
wh-whats the actual domain name
looks like nobody but coma uses it
how fuck skeleton
Again, since nobody seems to be mentioning this, why hasn't Leftypol made any attempts at outreach to other Left communities? The last time I ever heard of Leftypol reaching out to anybody was when Bunkerchan contacted Foreign Policy magazine, a pro-NATO/G7/EU publication. Why not people with takes closer to Leftypol's, like the Grayzone?
What would the message be?
The only reason we were even mentioned by Foreign Policy was because that mod was a fucking glowie with inside connections lmao.
/leftypol/ has always been super hands off in terms of expanding social media presence, with one notable exceptions: a spontaneous donation to Wolff to get him to mention us.
I discovered leftypol through ppdppl posting Alunya on Twitter, since I vaguely remembered seeing Alunya back when I used to use 8chan /tech/ and /cyber/
Every time I try to organize outreach stuff, nobody seems interested.
ban porn and anti-trans posters and they would be tbh
>>24587>people I know IRL who heard of /leftypol/ think you are a bunch of stupid LARPers
Ah, but they have heard of it>It's pretty telling that there is a ML party […] even more irrelevant than Trot parties.
Not really, trots "dominate" in the west.
Spam, like every other wordfilter
…is what I'd like to say but someone put a filter on "fun", which is only tangentially related to the usual spam
ironically i get the impression that even some 4chan users (at times) is getting sick of the social conservatives. I truly do think that leftypol's growing stupidpol-tier dick sucking of the right (or even just mindless obsession with libs) is kind of retrograde.
We need to appeal to Trots more, we should abandon communism and put up some Slava Ukraine banners
>>24614>Ah, but they have heard of it
The two or three people I know who heard of it are terminally online and very familiar with what is currently happening on the Anglo internet. They are a very small minority among my social circle.
It doesn't change the fact that they think you are stuck in the past and too edgy for your own good. They think you are barely different from conservatives and don't really care about benefiting the workers, but just want to recreate the ebin past of Soviet lore in your imagination.
So yeah, they heard of it, and they think we are a sect of losers. Isn't it great?
What organization are they in?
>>24620>people in organizations>terminally online
I'm starting to suspect that communism is entirely consisting of sects of losers, we should ban the communists and dedicate the board to the DSA
The DSA doesn't exist in my country, and /leftypol/ is barely communist anymore, "international working class solidarity" is considered infantile undialectical idealism here.
Orgazinations are a question of which benefits and drawbacks are you willing endure in my limited experience. You can be for example in an informal anarchist org who will be very active in the local community and organize with international comrades on a few issues, but they are also prone to fall for liberal psyops and often get lost into meaningless debates and actions; or you can join an hardcore anti-revisionist ML party who might be very astute on geopolitical matters and how the global dynamics of capital are evolving, but you will have to put up with self-important people who think absolute discipline and loyalty to the party line is needed in a niche microparty counting 20 members at most. /leftypol/ is like the latter, except people don't even read theory anymore.
Honestly, this is it.
/leftypol/ is probably the hypocritical online space in the anglophonic left. People here do nothing but express contempt for workers they think are "cringe" by randomly declaring them either "PMC" or "denegerates." It's fucking embarrassing.
You guys are embarrassing yourself with this "dae leftypol obsessed with PMCs?!?" shit when saying it is basically a fast track to getting laughed at
Who gives a fuck? It's true.
>>24598>When I browsed /leftypol/ back on 8chan, I was amazed at all the posters knew about the history and theory of socialism, felt completely ignorant as a dilettante anarcho-socdem, so I wanted to read a bit to make up for my lack of knowledge, and learned many things about Marxism, anarchism and the history of the Eastern bloc.>I still had this feeling on bunkerchan and the early days of .org from times to times, but now it's not the case anymore. I'm not terribly well-read, my attention span is a mess, I'm lazy too and rarely feel like reading anything after my workday, but I don't see anyone here challenging my assumptions in a way that makes me feel I'm missing something and should educate myself some more.
You put it better than I could. Back in the 8chan days I actually felt like I was broadening my horizons, and I saw a wealth of different perspectives being tolerated. Over the past several years it's just become a vulgar-ML circlejerk where vomiting platitudes is a substitute for actual critical reasoning.
You know that recent post where the guy went>democracy>freedom of thought>(etc)<hurr durr cringe
yeah that's this place in a nutshell now. It's just a circlejerk for edgy shitheads who think the left is a cool kids' club where saying how much you hate XYZ makes your dick bigger.
When you've successfully gaslighted enough people into believing you, you mean>>24627
It's something you've made up because you're a grievance mongerhttps://leftypol.org/search.php?search=PMC&board=leftypol>Mentions in the last month: 27>False positives in reference to mercenaries or HTML links: 11>Neutral mentions (jokes/references to concept): 8>Mocking/criticizing "muh PMC" posters: 5 >Users ban message attached: 1<Actual complaints of PMCs like you describe: 2
Now let's assume you both are incredibly autistic and take every shitpost at face value, that's 10/11 PMC posts on /leftypol/ in a month, and the vast majority of them are single sentence shitposts. The actual two is some shit in a Jackson Hinkle thread I'm not reading and the other is some sperg in leftybritpol that not only is getting bullied but looks to have been banned several times.
I can't tell if you're so autistic that you don't get that people use other terms and wording (example: like "labor aristocrat" etc etc) to mean effectively the same thing given the context, or if you're fully aware of this and you're just being this autistic as a means of engaging in bad faith
Either way I've noticed that people here love to throw around accusations like this the moment they say something you don't like about the quality of posting here
>>24630>people here love to throw around accusations like this
I think the correct term is proof, what you've posted is an accusation.
Also not even an hour ago it was "SCREAMED CONSTANTLY!!!", now it's simply a vibe is it?
It is December, people literally have places to be, people to meet. Hell the mods literally can't even hold a monthly meeting due to people being too busy the whole month. Don't you fuckers have any life? At least my excuse is I live in Asia and don't celebrate Christmas
and even I have been pretty busy the whole month.
And honestly, people don't post as much because they a) dump their stream of consciousness and thoughts into the matrix chats, sapping the original websites of many posts. I know a lot of anons, especially in my region, who got absorbed into the matrix chats that barely post in the main website anymore. Interesting conversations can and do happen in the matrix chats, but it is at the expense of this website.
And b) most threads and comments here are so fucking negative that it just turns others off from commenting. Like even just looking into this thread, a minority of posters genuinely talked about solutions or what, everyone else is just looking blame everything on their specific scapegoat. It is literally how you all treat any other issue that comes along, just whine and blame your preferred enemy. That is also why people are incentivized to post in the matrix coz no one will be an insufferable cunt if they have a name.
This is why I personally loathe Anglos
because all of the toxic IPs are Anglos, even the most toxic mods that have this brain disease were Anglos themselves.
Please, if you want this site to be better, stop blaming everyone and just post better. But we both know you won't do it, because you don't want it to be better, you just want to use it to feel better.>>24575>Remember the jannies already polished/micromanaged /siberia/ into the ground, it used to be as active as /leftypol/.
We very literally don't even moderate in /siberia/ anymore wtf?
>The funniest thing about this is that all mods are Westerners AFAIK and a good part of them have jobs, and I don't understand how they cope with the cognitive dissonance.
Not even true at all. One of us cannot reasonably afford the internet and another is unemployed. I am the only Engels-tier wealthy one>>24612
Then just do it anyway. Look you don't need to organize anything, just do something you think might work out and if it works, more people would jump on the bandwagon.
>>24633>And honestly, people don't post as much because they a) dump their stream of consciousness and thoughts into the matrix chats, sapping the original websites of many posts. I know a lot of anons, especially in my region, who got absorbed into the matrix chats that barely post in the main website anymore. Interesting conversations can and do happen in the matrix chats, but it is at the expense of this website.
Always knew that a lot of people beyond the mod team, especially namefags, used the chat but never realized to this extend.
Sad to hear that dïscordïfication is cannibalizing another imageboard and that this is apparently being encoraged by the modocracy.
>>24636>Sad to hear that dïscordïfication is cannibalizing another imageboard and that this is apparently being encoraged by the modocracy.
We don't encouraged people to chit-chat on the leftypol Chat, it just naturally happened. Even in my regional chat, I try not post on it anymore.
you're less likely to find insufferable incel assholes here than any other IB
which doesn't mean it's hard to find them i mean, polyps browse here for some reason so they're certainly here but they're usually shut down immediately.
This です. I have good communist female friends who I could never show this board because they'd immediately realize its full of misogynistic incel reactionaries
Maybe we should ask the r/socialism mods for their word filter list
Nice, I didn't know leftypol/vichan had a search engine.
I tried both spellings of "labo[u]r aristocrat", got 18 results, it was ideologically heterogenous I admit it, some people even agree with (me).
and they aren't just talikng about a "fund workers' state" here.>>24633
You have a point, I'm among the people who are more often in the matrix than here, and posted quite a few streams-of-consciousness myself. And yeah, sorry I like to complain too much.
Anyway, for those who celebrate it, merry christmas!
Shut up faggot, you don't get to bitch and moan about muh matrix detracting from the main site when users told you it would and you plowed ahead with it
Who is it to blame? Oh it's every set of jannies but the current one? Then it suddenly becomes the users does it?
Clown website staffed by the biggest clown shoes wearing clowns who insist they're not part of the circus.
why do people like matrix anyways? Isn't it a bit cringe? Aren't we all image board users always trying to be as based as we possibly can?
Because it's a parasitic non-anonymous aberration from imageboards that piggybacks of an established board culture. You have accounts, identifiable users, cred and reputation dynamics, cliques etc.
The Matrix does not have good conversations, that is fake news. Bunch of people whining about their life and making bad jokes. It's the same energy as the imageboard.
But there's no clout from posting on an imageboard ever think of that
I haven't bothered to learn how to use matrix, but I heard it's like FOSS fbi.gov. So like, emotes and voice chat I guess.
Like if something like fbi.gov is inevitably going to exist, it should at least be FOSS.
The board is fucking boring these days
>Same threads rehashed over and over
>Utter schizo takes but little in the way of effortposts
>At least fullchan had dumb reactionaries wander in which kept discussion somewhat interesting
>Theory theory theory but nothing that's remotely useful for anyone working class, lumpen or otherwise. Just dry fucking ancient tomes and hundred year old drama between literally whos only remotely interesting to perma NEET sheltered giga autistists
>Not remotely funny enough to make you willingly suffer all of it. Just drab doomerism and despair when meatspace already has enough of it
I've said it before and I'll it again; DELETE /leftypol/. Dedicated """politics""" boards are a malignant festering cancer that have been destroying imageboards for over a decade
I'd rather touch grass all day than spend more than an hour a week here, and that's still pushing it
It would be based if we could take pol away from rightoids but there is no chance
>>24642>when users told you it would and you plowed ahead with it
Idk about that, people were already making matrix chats so I would better if we controlled it. Especially when the mod team needed one of it ourselves to function.>>24643
It is absurd to see posters in Christmas and/or Eve whining about the pph/users of leftypol. Further proof that the worst posters and the most terminally online and active in this website.>>24646
It is less confrontational at least.
Why are you even a mod here if you hate this site lmao. fucking janoids
This whole "people are complaining on christmas eve? heh touch grass" is a cope, you're here too dumbass. I'm not out doing anything because I have to get up for Christmas dinner and I saw this incredibly gay thread bemoaning the lack of bans and blaming the lack of bans for the site's decline, so I post in it.
Confrontation is the bread and butter of somewhere interesting. Look at places where confrontational attitudes are discouraged and where they're encouraged. Early leftypol and twitter are examples of places where confrontation is common, reddit is the embodification of a place where it isn't and bans are handed out otherwise. You can't whine that everything is becoming a singular culture and then whine that there is too much confrontation, stamping out confrontation is the fastest way to creating a singular culture.
Everyone ITT insisting that they don't have to touch grass yet is on the leftypol Matrix talking to their "friends" are the most grassless fucking people on the whole entire internet, it is close to the maximum number of degrees away from being outside/posting on instagram/shitposting on facebook you could possibly get without joining a schizo darknet fascist community. If you are whining that leftypol is more confrontational than your circlejerk chatroom, you need to see a fucking therapist let alone touch grass.
They must love the site if they're willing to put up with it all.
>>24653>you're here too dumbass.
I live in Asia and we don't celebrate Christmas.
> If you are whining that leftypol is more confrontational than your circlejerk chatroom, you need to see a fucking therapist let alone touch grass.
I am not even saying chatting on matrix is great and should be encouraged, but it is one of the pull factor to lower pph and user count in this time of year.
Please learn to read, I never said that it is bad that leftypol is confrontational than matrix, but that it will encourage less stream of consciousness and chit-chatting that saps post from the original website. This is a descriptive statement, not prescriptive one. Hell I literally don't even post on matrix and keep my main thoughts on this website coz I don't how haphazard the discourse on matrix is.>>24652
I don't hate the site, it is great. But people like you and >>24653
who woefully misunderstands what people say to rant and bitch are a drag on this site.
I'm taking a break from cooking and socializing tbh. I'm not posting just lurking. Its been hectic for a full week lmao. I love Christmas.
Gonna eat turkey, cod, cookies (low carb chocolate cookies), rice, garlic bread.
>>24655>Me: Everyone ITT insisting…>You: This is personally addressed to me, also people keep willfully misinterpreting my posts and they should learn to read
Come on buddy
What would you do to improve the site? I think putting formatting in the text box would help, like making greentext and orangetext their respective colors, and putting bold, italics and redtext in the right place. QOL shit. Loads of posts are fucked up with greentext not being apparent in the input. Obviously it won't increase user numbers but modernization is just a small part of keeping up.>>24656
You need to get hampilled. Turkey is at a premium, but is dry as fuck. Buy a big old ham.
imagine thinking not being terminally online is a cope
truly the effects of being terminally online
You are a namefag on leftypol, you are as terminally online as can be
>>24360>>24488>Mods need to make it explicit in the rules that we do not support reactionary homophobic, racist, sexist etc statements and it gets a ban
the reactionaries already get banned
threads about transhumanists already end up with hundreds of deleted comments and bans.
>>24657>You: This is personally addressed to me, also people keep willfully misinterpreting my posts and they should learn to read
You literally replied to me and started accusing jannies of doing things you don't like. Of course I would take it personally. What is your damage?
>I think putting formatting in the text box would help, like making greentext and orangetext their respective colors, and putting bold, italics and redtext in the right place.
I may tell the tech team about it, but they are small and busy.>>24659
At least he is not pretending it isn't a bad thing
>>24657>Turkey is at a premium, but is dry as fuck.
It's family tradition for what its worth. We've been eating dry turkey for years. I discovered a really good preparation method. It took 1.5 hours instead of the usual 3 and is the juiciest turkey I have ever eaten in my life, plus it was absolutely delicious. I will never make turkey in any other way ever again. Maybe next time I'll try out ham.
How much activity is there in the matrix chat?
if there is one thing I will congratulate the team on it's the lack of christmas theming for the site
I hate the christmas season because it's shoved down your throat in all directions
/leftypol/ needs mobile apps, you tell a normie to check it out and they are like "what's leftypol? I can't find it in the app store"
this tbh for proles its the hardest time of the year slaving away for porkies
sounds like a fun experiment
>>24649>I've said it before and I'll it again; DELETE /leftypol/. Dedicated """politics""" boards are a malignant festering cancer that have been destroying imageboards for over a decade
As much as I like to be a Ruthless Critic™, deleting /leftypol/ would be an admission of defeat from the left in the imageboard realm.
I remember a time when lainchan was 80% about almost purely technical questions and answers and 20% about human-related stuff from a vaguely anarchist perspective.
(I'm recounting the past in a more ebin way than it was but) now the imageboard realm of the social media galaxy is pretty much far-far-right, and you can easily see this in the lainchan's thread about Rust: very few posts are about the technical merits and tradeoffs of the language compared to its main competitor, C++, but about muh transhumanists, muh CoC, and so on, and it's not like the maintainers of Rust are doing anything to downplay their SF-lib ideology lol, but anyway, that's another debate for another day..It's important to know the main mod of /lambda/, is a self-proclaimed authoritarian fascist fag, and therefore has no problem letting the main programming board falling into /g/'s level of teenage-gaming racist frenzy, "hurr durr real programmers doesn't use the gay borrow checker" kind of posts, but still use FAQ-based rule autism to put warnings on short OPs (which is not necessarily wrong, but still, he should apply this same standard to ideological comments).
I just wish there weren't ~70 results for "d e g e n e r a t e", 20 results for "d e g e n e r a c y" and 23 results for "subhuman" when using the search engine embed in /leftypol/ (https://leftypol.org/search.php
), we aren't hosted on a neo-Nazi imageboard anymore, we are a small clique by now.
$10 says half those results or more are /ukraine/ and therefore don't count.
>>24672>effortposts with constructive, realistic suggestions
What are the effortposts you are referring to?
You don't go outside if you think that's the case. The prevailing Russia-Ukraine opinions alone put /leftypol/ far outside of mainstream discourse. True to our 4chan roots, we also generally enjoy "happenings" and the system crashing, which is antithetical to normie values, as they crave stability above all else.
Also, people complaining about the activity level are stupid. You can have a highly active board, or you can have a board with high-quality discussion. You can't have both at the same time and several decades of imageboard experience have proven this time and time again.
You've prompted me to make an update to this table.Reminder: in the first half of 2022, war was declared in Eastern Europe.Reminder: in the second half of 2022, there was a US midterm election.
My interpretation is that we are facing a continued and significant decline, which extends beyond simply being post-2020-election, and we can expect further decline for the next year if we do not develop our own culture
that makes this place worth being at. If we're not attractive enough, we won't be able to benefit from the 2024 election rush, and will most likely be doomed beyond hope of recovery.
While our post rate isn't as low as after the 2018 purge, we could very well fall that low if we don't retain users. Popularity is exponential, not linear. And we don't have the passive attention that 8chan gave us, so recovery is evidently harder.
Our culture is that we are literally the only left-wing anti-idpol discussion space on the entire internet. Why do we need more than that? If people aren't smart enough to be enticed by freedom from idpol screeching, then they're too retarded to be of any use to us.
when the fuck did mods start using their mod tags when arguing with people and can we please shoot them for it
Name one other.>muh r/stupidpol
Not left-wing and, these days, not even particularly anti-idpol.>muh fbi.gov/matrix server
No one gives a fuck, have fun with your 20 autistic friends.
Actually there's a few other leftypols tho, and people who use leftypol have brought that culture elsewhere. I think our definition of idpol might be unique tho, since old leftypol used to use the reddit definition of idpol, but the jannies here realized that was a shield for doing idpol under the guise of anti-idpol. That's probably spread elsewhere too tho. I hope so, even if it means not being all that unique.
The other leftypols are deluding themselves, everyone knows we are the real leftypol. And you might be right about our culture being exported, I'm not active enough on other platforms to know.
(NTA)>muh muh hurr autist retard>>>/r/4chan why you gotta be so aggressive?
Seriously I'd rather them not list any, lest you visit them. But even those examples are valid competition, and your opinions of them don't change that. Sorry, but your gripes aren't stopping the leftists on /r/stupidpol from liking it there. And yes, it's explicitly a "subreddit focused on critiquing capitalism and identity politics from a Marxist perspective" and cherrypicking doesn't change that.
We need culture because:
1. If we don't, we just become more of a generic pepe wojak shithole
2. Even a good topic with shit culture makes a bad experience, and leads people to want to be in other communities, even ones that aren't as ideal topic-wise or where they have to tolerate normallibs who aren't just being literal schizos or boring whiners.
literally bitching about aesthetics, actual unironic idpol shit, it's true that anti-idpol was just being used as a front for idpol and just encourages people to get stuck on the rock of being against rainbow coalition tactics a la the black panthers
I just visited stupidpol and it made me feel like I stuck my nose in between two buttcheeks and breathed in as heavily as I could ass it let out a stinky rotten egg fart
eh, I'd rather the mods be open when replying to discussion about them rather than just pretend to be some homogeneous entity, or anonymous.
This is a completely false dichotomy. What we have is a slow board with shit discussion. The discussion used to be good and the board used to be fast at the same time.
You want less people on the board so there is less people to shoot down your objectively terrible takes. Like this one. Communism is a mass movement, not for arrogant nerds that can’t read words on a screen and yet still feel some sense of superiority.
OldBo was a retard who admitted to never reading and getting his shit from Twitter. He canned the board. This is the basic attitude that got us where we are.
Imagine defending r/stupidpol after they purged the China supporters and became a COVID denier subreddit. They’re socdems at the absolute BEST bro
I want less people on the board because online leftism has become cancer in the last few years and this is the only place that has remained relatively unscathed. I don’t want those people here because I’m not a drooling retard.
No-one is defending them.>>24692
Time capsules don't work. Sage can confirm that.
>>24693>Time capsules don’t work.
Wtf are you talking about, have you ever used an IRC channel? Literally unchanged culture since the 90s
Well we were saying 'irc is ded' over ten years ago so I trust it hasn't changed much since, as a social platform.
You don't get banned for saying faggot or misgendering. You should rightfully be banned and re-educated for being a homophone and a transphobe.
this is a late as hell reply to this, but, preface that I'm trans I guess. If you just want to advocate the patsocs and the weird strasser reactoids, turning leftypol isn't a hugbox isn't going to work. you ahve to gitgud with your knowledge of marxism to know how to shit on them properly, and if you don't have the reactoids around to shit on then nobody else is going to get to see your arguments in a place that isn't some cringy hugbox
sorry, meant to quote that first paragraph with a >
thanks fam, kindest imageboard user
>>24670>muh transhumanists, muh CoC, and so on
I had the misfortune of discovering 8/tech/ a while before lainchan, but I think it's safe to say the death of 8chan made a foothole for the /pol/shit in lainchan. Probably more than the constant drizzle from 4chan /g/, since 8chan was largely the refugee camp of extreme /pol/ and gamergate.
The fascist mod is eh, like it's not really a huge deal. for me being used to imageboards. I'm more just annoyed by all the dumb shit getting replies before the sparse mod team reacts to reports, which they do actually delete. Well, at least unless it's changed since I stopped browsing regularly (not for any reason, just other priorities)
I think the last I saw was a great thread of some /pol/troon crying in /meta/ crying about muh freeze peaches and getting dunked on by dozens of lainons laughing and telling them to fuck off.
It's done, and you all are incapable of understanding why.
>wut is our cultures?
Always taking the bait
anti-idpol is a good tool to have but one that is misused by people who want to impress their racist uncle because they think he has more revolutionary potential.
They just drank the "Right-wing people are cool" cool-aid
I absolutely am doing things, anonymous comrade. I think taking credit for those things would detract from them, and reveal just how few people are actually making OC or trying to foster a better site.
But you really are revealing something with that baseless accusation: 'anonymous' is just assumed to be an unproductive whining hypocrite whenever they suggest a way to fix things. That's our site culture.
So what should
I do? Make a five-step plan for anon and hope enough people read it and make the small effort to adjust their posting habits? Or just keep making threads that encourage a culture to develop and making OC for threads until something clicks?
I use the internet to get rid of thoughts I don't want to discuss IRL 🤷
How about deleting all threads but /leftypol/, /edu/ and /siberia/ so that people start talking about consumer hobbies in /siberia/
The deleting part is outside of the scope of this post (you and I can't just delete the threads) and I think some of the truly niche/slow topics wouldn't last long enough to be worth trying on /siberia/, but fast ephemeral things like the top /hobby/ threads could be remade here by us. We used to have a /co/ thread and a proto-/fit/ thread here and they lasted for a long time, why not do the same with the other popular threads?
Why keep /edu/ separate? Surely it should be dissolved into /leftypol/ and /siberia/ just the same, especially since it adds high-quality topics to the two active boards.
ban porn and reactionary anti-trans posters its that simple
like as leftists (imo) we should be anti-porn is it is exploitation
Again, that's outside the scope of what users like you and I can do.
I always thought of /edu/ as an archive of sort for pdfs rather than a discussion board tbh.
That was never the intention, people just don't like to learn.
its the root of the issues on the board and nothing will change if the admins dont take a hardline stance on either
Eh, porn (especially 3D shit, since you mention exploitation) isn't that common or really detracting from the formation of culture. They keep contained to their designated threads pretty well too. Feels like a minor problem compared to things like:>>24708
Acknowledge that reposting pepe/soyjak/wojak garbage here is common and is directly anti-creative, substituting a foreign generic subculture in where we would otherwise be pushed to produce and integrate original memes.
Then, having understood that, collectively boycott frogposter threads to let them die ASAP, and not replying to posts with off-topic wojaks, regardless of content. This will hopefully demotivate posters from regurgitating them or from sustaining the threads that use them, especially if paired with an announcement of boycott like picrel.
Make a concerted effort to encourage the creation of new organic
memes, through reposting appropriate creations of others. I see the new screencaps thread and that's a good start, other ideas like that could be great in the long-run at restoring a culture where all the potential memes don't just die on arrival unless forced inorganically.
>Eh, porn (especially 3D shit, since you mention exploitation) isn't that common or really detracting from the formation of culture. They keep contained to their designated threads pretty well too.
t. white male
no anon what happens is you suggest this site to a female anon and then they never speak to you again after they find the various porn threads/anti-trans threads that scare them off
the type of threads active on the site will absolutely determine if leftpol retains users
the other stuff sure but if you want to get to that you need to take out the trash first
also 3d porn/drawn porn while not exploitative still typically helps porky commidify and objectify women so 9/10 its still counter-productive
>>24718>they never speak to you again after they find the various porn threads
This would be very abnormal behavior
most women dont like porn
Even taking that as true (irrelevant to the point) the abnormal part is breaking contact over something so petty
Idk people always look at me as if I were crazy when I tell them I like to learn in my free time and online it's not much better either. They like to post "oh yeah I should learn that too" but that's pretty much the limit of the responses I got when I tried discussing this online.
if you want to send all of your female friends links to the NSFW threads on here feel free and report back how many are still talking to you by tomorrow lol
I don't blame them tbh they are probably traumatized by school.
>>24725>now it's specifically sending links to the NSFW threads unprompted
Your a retard
And furthermore, it feels like someone so sensitive isn't really going to benefit from any site that is a /leftypol/. A more firmly-moderated place, like the dozens of subreddits/lemmy/hexbear communities and fbi.gov groups and forums seems more appropriate, mutually.>>24726
Oh, right, I momentarily almost forgot how shit school was, and can be, and generally is. I've basically separated the idea of institutional education with learning.
its what they are going to find if you send them this site>>24728
yeah tighter moderation is really whats needed, user count will grow if disurputive people are removed
there is a one click button to hide threads.>>24729
outside of the titty thread in /anime/ (which should be moved honestly),if you send them even the sfw overboard they won't find them unless they conciously click on siberia.
>>24729>tighter moderation is really whats needed, user count will grow if disurputive people are removed
Debatably, but not if it's at the expense of ceasing to be a /leftypol/.
At that point, being an unauthenticated imageboard that regularly gets raided by edgelords and ad-spam is a total crutch and we'd just get made redundant by sites actually geared towards more civil discussion where reactionaries and edgy humour aren't tolerated. We inherently don't aim to compete with those hugboxes, and incidentally we couldn't and shouldn't. Our community purpose is in direct contrast with those groups. So efforts to sanitize this place are often met with skepticism. (and I mean banning 'disruptive people', not banning porn)
The bottom line is, if a few people holding reactionary options is enough to make you want the mods, this isn't the right site to be on, and it's pure masochism to pretend it is.
if you want to maintain a hostile/lewd culture then whatever but you dont get to have it both ways and enjoy population growth like more moderated sites like lemmygrad
You dim-witted twat. Are you so dense, so lacking in imagination that you think the only reason someone could possibly take issue with disruptive, hostile, repetitive nonsense is that they have to be offended? Fuck even engaging with this level of thinking. It's really in the end no different from the generic /pol/yp spamming his shit and then crying that you must be offended at it. The real problem is the same as with any other worthless garbage, it clogs up the space and sucks the air out of the room.
>>24732>population growth like more moderated sites like lemmygrad
…their population growth was GenZedong and its sister subs getting kicked from reddit.com.
Lemmygrad are an M-L link aggregator. No matter how palatable this place is, it wouldn't be what people leaving /r/GenZedong wanted. They wanted a reddit clone with strict ideological moderation.
And quite frankly historical post numbers are evidence that we have had it both ways and most likely will continue to have it both ways. We're not trying to compete with those accessible, civil places. We never have competed with them. We complement them. We contrast against them. We're an alternative to them. There are posts I feel better making here and there are posts I feel better making there.>>24733
When did I imply offended?
You're getting mad over shit no-one said.
It has literally been scathed by online leftist OldBo and numods. You yourself are an online leftist and so am I. No, in fact, we are just like the other girls. Not special snowflakes, not superior. Just people talking shit on the internet. You are so hopped up on your own farts you think only people as gassed as you should be able to post. It’s a recipe for the worst kind of pink eye
>>24735>You're getting mad over shit no-one said.
That's not even implying it anymore. That's an explicit accusation.
Yes, I must be mad for even engaging this. My fucking mistake, carry on, retard.
Could you quote the part where the accusation is made? because I'm not seeing it either.>>24717
Purging the foreign exploitables (Pepe, Wojak), at least as a trial, is an idea I like. As best, it's the lazy option, and at worst it makes this place more and more into a samefag boring /r9k/ clone. Same with purging overflow that should be in /isg/ and /ukraine/, that needs to go too.
>>24633>people don't post here because everything is so negative>you should just post stuff anyways>no solution, just negativity>look at the name, its a mod
Take some responsibility and try to steer this place away from the negativity, nerd. Stop being a whiny baby, realize that obviously if most of the posts are negative, and you realize you dislike this and other people dislike this, obviously this place only attracts negative and mentally ill people to post. This is a material problem, aka the way this site fucking is, filled with negative people who want to drag us all down, does not do enough to encourage people to post good shit. Your encouragement means nothing in the face of this. Jump ship or start steering, insufferable janny faggots.
>>24740>>24740>Take some responsibility and try to steer this place away from the negativity, nerd.
We already are doing it by not listening to the majority of negative posters and just doing what we think is best. I really don't see what your point. You really want us to go full 1984 thought police on all the haters instead of suggesting them to post better? I didn't sign up to be a mod to vibe check anyone…
>>24741>the site is mostly negative posts>but everything is fine, what i'm doing is perfect, we're carrying on as normal, stop pointing out the smell of shit, we're doing all the right things!
well what should be done differently exactly?
There is literally nothing we can do to alleviate people's intense cynicism and sectarianism that doesn't involve 1984 thought policing.
Like remember the Sison death thread we pinned. https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/1305296.html#bottom
Should we have clamp down on people arguing whether Sison was a revisionist or China is not socialist? What about the people accusing others of being tankies or anarkiddies?
thank you for asking, I'll do my best to answer thoughtfully
1. creating accountability within the mod team to stop sectarian mods enforcing sectarianism
2. not focusing on idealist interpretations of socialism, and banning people for being sectarian dicks and generally curating an atmosphere that's not incredibly braindead and/or hostile, so that people will feel like there's something worth staying and bringing friends here
3. not being uptight self-important jannies who think they're masters of their little universe, and be more supportive of the human side of things (drama, people voicing concerns, etc)
4. openly promoting (as website administers) a positive atmosphere for constructive discussion and leisurely conversation
5. mods in these threads have shown themselves to have so little chill, and are probably many of the toxic users here. Nothing can be done about this, you guys can't purge yourselves and you need the manpower again CP apparently, so RIP leftypol, the problem exists from top to bottom. Faggots like you say that you can't influence the board culture, or don't want to, yet mysteriously the board culture is exactly in line with your bullshit. You're are ridiculous clown for on the one hand admonishing users for their negativity, and on the other claiming leftypol is great. Leftypol is heavily divided, and you're taking the side of the heaps of trash that are taking over this place, but you refuse to take any responsibility or admit this.
You yourself are stoking the cynicism by showing that the people running the site don't care at all about it. In fact they think it's great! Any complaints are just bullshit to you, because everything is as it should be. Why hasn't the cynicism left, this is obviously very heartening to hear?!
Thoguht policing already exists here, and is part of the problem. As much as you faggots love calling anything anti-reactionary "reddit", reddit is exactly the place for scummy liberal bourgeoisie such as yourself. The most revolutionary thing to do is consciously cultivate a positive community. Without the mod's help, that is impossible, due to the nature of websites. Your refusal to admit this shows how bad faith you are. Your only answer is "bootstraps" and "not my problem". There are better places on the internet for you than leftypol, dear janny.
P.S. No one cares what you signed up for. Quit at any time. Take the site down too if you wish. Or make it better. Just literally anything other than being an impotent coping invertebrate.
Would you sign up to be a mod?
Less ban on sectarian ideological grounds. I was banned multiple times, not for breaking the rules, but for having the leftist position of not "siding" with Russia on the war, and presenting critical opinions on "anti-imperialist" countries, or even criticizing Putin for having been a pinochet stan, while people calling me a librul natoid can freely dehumanize proles and call for their mass murder, which is ok because they're on the morally evil side of the imaginary line on the ground.
Me I don't care because I just flip my IP and can keep posting, but many don't use VPNs, and TOR doesn't work anymore, so they give up on the website.
So what policies exactly? Give concrete solutions>2
We already don't. Look at how the Sison death thread played out. If anything no moderation led to such a braindead and hostile thread
>3 and 4
There it is. There is the whole reasons you opened your mouth to begin with. You don't even know what the mod team is like or what they do, that you can boldly say shit like "Faggots like you say that you can't influence the board culture, or don't want to, yet mysteriously the board culture is exactly in line with your bullshit.".
This is why I disregard anyone who tries to characterize what the mod team on their advise at all. You people would call us tankies, anarkiddies, idpozzed, social fascists, anglos if it suits your personal petty grievances. It is almost comical how Caballo is the most receptive to userbase and actively seeks their opinions, yet is the go to punching bag for all the imageboard problems.
>You yourself are stoking the cynicism by showing that the people running the site don't care at all about it.
>P.S. No one cares what you signed up for. Quit at any time. Take the site down too if you wish. Or make it better. Just literally anything other than being an impotent coping invertebrate.
It cuts both ways>>24747>I was banned multiple times, not for breaking the rules, but for having the leftist position of not "siding" with Russia on the war,
What were the ban messages and lengths? I will ask the mods in the mod meeting to tone down the threshold for moderation in the Russian war thread but I do see mass reports from different IPs on one post and have to make sweeping decision.
definitely not, the mod team are collectively deranged>>24748>give concrete solutions
as I don't know the ins and outs of the moderation team, that's on you. Or don't. I don't mean that with any bitterness even. You can choose to ignore the people pointing out the fact that this iteration of leftypol doesn't offer much, and that drives away people, and thus leftypol offers even less, and this is saddening to people who liked what leftypol was, and want to get that back. But you ignore it at the cost of losing people's faith that this site can change, and exacerbating this negative cycle.
leftypol isn't great. It's a very mixed bag, and the good stuff is harder and harder to find (not talking about weeks or months, thats unreliable, but years). Educated, cool people come and go, but eventually they don't come back, and we're not growing any new ones. Maybe all internet spaces are doomed to die, or become zombies, when the people who found them pass the spaces over to the people who bandwaggoned and don't have what it takes to draw people in. I wholly put myself in this second group, and I understand that part of the problem lies with me and everyone else in this thread. But it's also true that we have not cultivated a space where many knowledgeable people want to express themselves, we're not cultivating new knowledge effectively, and it's much easier for hostile posters to drive out people who want to engage in good faith, than for those people to drive out the mentally ill trolls. For this we need your help, your jannyness.
This is why your (you, comet) antagonism towards the idea of trying to make the site better through more harshly removing trolls is frustrating, and comes off as totally unaware of the actual situation, or denying it due to personal beliefs (you do after all say leftypol is great - maybe this is just the state you'd like leftypol to be in. This is my impression)
>>24749>But you ignore it at the cost of losing people's faith that this site can change, and exacerbating this negative cycle.
We don't ignore, because moderation is not here to push the userbase into anything good, only here to prevent the userbase from anything bad like CP, worst sectarian and/or idpol and ThingNoticing. I have said multiple times within and outside the moderation team, that I prefer to be janitor than a gardener. I know other mods who love to take a more hands approach to social engineer the userbase to be their better angels, and I live too long under a dictatorship to prefer not to.
>leftypol isn't great. It's a very mixed bag, and the good stuff is harder and harder to find (not talking about weeks or months, thats unreliable, but years).
I disagree, it has been a great place to learn theory and praxis and it still is. I like how international the imageboard has become, and have eavesdropped the LATAM and Nordics thread via google translate. People do leave sure, but a significant amount went to matrix now. I generally read the non-anglo threads and prefer their contributions.
I still remember earlier this year there was a happening in a non-western country that one of the mod was in, and I begged them to post something in the happening thread to explain the situation "before the anglos make it about themselves all over again". True enough the whole thread was burdened with what counts as a colour revolution, and whether the CIA or Russia is behind it by the usual suspects. I don't see how moderation could have fixed a better conversation of that happening, and I grow tired of people blaming us for problems they cultivated.
>For this we need your help, your jannyness.
How? Not only do you misunderstand what the moderation team believes or are (people ITT and the past called me a Westerner has unironically triggered me) but also what power the jannies already has. Hell people here insist that Siberia is overly moderated, when the mod meetings (that I curated and write notes in) https://leftypol.org/mod.php?/meta/res/21581.html
literally said that to reinforce not moderating siberia at all safe for CP and shit (No soft rules).
>This is why your (you, comet) antagonism towards the idea of trying to make the site better through more harshly removing trolls is frustrating
And it is equally frustrating for me to hear people who is already hostile to the moderation, demanding us to remove others that they struggle to characterize with anything other than vibes, without any self-reflection or desire to know what they could do on their end.
Here's one for you comet: can we get an explanation as to why you retards disabled the tor node for over 2 months. What was that all about?
>>24745>1. creating accountability within the mod team [snip]
Consider the following:
1) Users frequently demand moderation>universal background radiation of commercial and CP ad spam on all iimageboards>constant raiding from /pol/ / etc. which is beyond reasonable discussion>mentally-ill obsessives, such as thing noticer spam, WestVirgin and a former lefty/b/ posting gore and scat, hours a day, every day for multiple months>day to day blatant rule-breaking, ukraine spam threads and other junk
2) Therefore users expect us to have enough mods to handle these things rapidly, around the clock, every day of the year.
3) Very few people volunteer, even when we ask for volunteers, even when a lot of people evidently care about the state of the site. You yourself said you wouldn't consider it.
4) How can we enforce any meaningful accountability to volunteers without leaving timezones uncovered?
If we kick them off the mod team, even temporarily, who's going to replace them? You? Apparently not.
>3. […] and be more supportive of the human side of things (drama, people voicing concerns, etc)
That's a tough one.
Unfortunately some bad faith actors (esp. a couple of leftychan mods) continue to concern troll and flame as an attempt to cause unfruitful drama, as an attempt to cause dissatisfaction with leftypol rather than improve it. The more active mods get tired of the constant flaming and start deleting it on sight (to try and promote a positive atmosphere for more constructive discussion and leisurely conversation). Hooray, now site critisism gets moved to /meta/. It honestly wouldn't have surprised me if this got moved (although it would be a dumb thing to do).
Criticism and drama get treated as destructive attacks, and on an anonymous forum where the bad actors are trying to evade bans, it's super easy for legitimate criticism to be dismissed or even accused of being those trolls. And of course, the trolls pretend to be innocent and accused of being trolls to try and make the mods seem worse, so mods in response may be less receptive to those claims after seeing conclusive proof of many being bullshit harassment attempts.
So it's a tough one.
A case study is Sage's complaints. The guy is a passionate oldfag who's been yelling at the mods since at least the creation of leftypol.org. There are issues he see with the site, some I agree with and some I disagree with. Unfortunately the way he has historically brought these issues up, combined with assumptions, has lead some of the staff (not all but more than a couple) to completely dismiss him as a malicious self-serving troublemaker.who just wants to own da jannies. They censor his complaints or move them from the popular boards to /meta/ because that kind of derailing is generally seen as off-topic shitting up a thread, which just devolves any chance of productive discussion.
When I say assumptions, I mean things like this on /isg/. >>>/leftypol/1318491
To the best of my knowledge, Comet's list of mods' opinions is accurate, Sage's claim in that post is not even close to real. And that's not a jab, I know first hand modding anonymous imageboards that it's hard to be right about these type of assumptions, and the mod team is largely anonymous in discussion. See >>24679
. I generally only use a name if I'm individually relevant, or if I'm contrasting against the opinion of another mod in a meta discussion. Fun fact: Sage generally likes my anonymous posts :^^^^)
>Faggots like you say that you can't influence the board culture, or don't want to, yet mysteriously the board culture is exactly in line with your bullshit.
I do influence board culture anonymously, because most of my posts are anonymous, just like hopefully you influence board culture. I don't enforce
my ideals upon board culture. Why should I go around deleting all the rehashed fbi.gov/cia.org garbage people bring here if no-one else is complaining about it? I made a post here saying of how I think we should work to improve the place. So, no, the board culture is very much not inline with my bullshit.
I hope this doesn't need saying but the mod team is a group of volunteers with multiple views.
we have this thread every day
same pic same text
Are you a transhumanist? Why are there so many transhumanists on the mod team? If you take hormones not designed for your body you need to resign.
>>24755>Why are there so many transhumanists on the mod team?
because they think if they silence enough people telling them they aren't women they will feel better about how they look. it's the same reason why there are so many tranjans on reddit, fbi.gov, twitter etc.
But how do they keep getting into these positions? They are abusers. They are not interested in improving the community.
All people that are not trans need step up together and refuse to give any trans people any more power. Kick them out.
Imagine thinking this is an appropriate response to a long thoughtful post.
>>24755>If you take hormones not designed for your body
Pharmaceutical hormones are made for humans you fucking moron. So only when a mod is taking veterinary grade hormones then they should resign.
Liberal gaslight #234223
>A case study is Sage's complaints. The guy is a passionate oldfag who's been yelling at the mods since at least the creation of leftypol.org.
I've been yelling at the mods since Oldbo did the number way back on 8chan. I also yelled at the bunkerchan mods for its entire existence
As the anon who sage keeps confusing with a mod can confirm
have been telling him to just volunteer FFS for nearly as longas you can see the mod team needs moar vols and also since you already have a trip and an account on the matrix it's no real sacrifice for you
if I am allowed to make a union and it is truly unhindered and supported then after that is completed I will become a mod, but I will never become a mod otherwise
as someone who knows nothing about previous drama (a nujanny, spurgo), wtf is the deal with ur union? You say mods fucked with u and stuff, but is there anything stopping you from just making a matrix channel, telling people about it word of mouth as people seem interested, etc.? Or do you want some kind of formal recognition from it? And one last question, do u understand that unlike a union in your workplace, you have 0 power here because you're just a site visitor?
Like what is your goal even (or does online 'power' struggle just provide entertainment? if so, i can respect that at least)?
he collabbed with .net to get his way and failed even there
But the "split" made work for other people and made the site look bad which is what really counts
So it wasn't a failure but really quite the success
A lie. Everything that comes out of jannies mouths is a lie
It’s literally a place where users can discuss the board with mods manipulating and/ or destroying it
so a place as in…?
Brother don't you think you might be able to implement this more effectively with the resources available to you as a vol?
A chat room on any of the various apps. >>24834
It is not possible for mods to allow people to discuss things they might not like yes.>>24835
I’m not a vol
im confused but couldn't you just make the union in any of the various apps without having to ask? what is stopping you? unless there is more in what you are trying to ask? if so, what else do you propose?
Obviously the best place to bring people into this is the board itself, but all mention of it is banned. The mods initially agreed i could post about it, but then reversed and started banning/deleting + harrassing
ok.i guess im only trying to be more aware of the situation, did you in some circumstances perhaps might've posted it a little too compulsively or at inappropriate moments?
>>24836>I’m not a vol
fix that maybe?
>>24837>im confused but couldn't you just make the union in any of the various apps without having to ask?
We contacted the safety teams of Disc,ord, Matrix, Whatsapp, Telegram and all other chat services to prevent Sage from doing a union. Thank god for those CIA bucks.>>24841>did you in some circumstances perhaps might've posted it a little too compulsively or at inappropriate moments?
LMFAO understatement. Spamming relentlessly all around the board.
>>24841>in some circumstances >perhaps >a little too>at inappropriate moments
Mayhaps, the tiniest bit
Nothing compared to mods periodically destroying the entire board based on their eternal shidding and farting at one another.
No user has ever caused a split, and there have been 3 now. All of that has been mod drama, which is why we see the board in the sorry state it is today
idk man i think its a lot more effort than necessary, especially if you think youre being inhibited in this place at all costs no matter what
maybe just let the union grow organically and mention it at times when the discussion at hand is about mods abusing their power and/or overstepping their boundaries
I think it’s very little effort if the mods become cordial to the idea. Literally just make a chat room and a thread about it.
The point is also to be proactive not reactive, like, forming effective solutions to issues through discussion, that everyone or a clear majority- I would argue in most cases at least a 60% majority is amenable to.
Just complaining when mods do stuff annoying is all well and good, but unlikely to result in a positive response and also the mods will get worked up being insulted. Also tends to individualise issues, which is the opposite of what socialism should be.
I also think it can become a good way improve etiquette on the board, getting the users together in a place that is built to be constructive, will probably have a knock on effect as to how they treat the board.
A union is not simply a place to air your grievances, which is what the capitalist class wants, it should be a catalyst for genuine solidarity.
i totally understand what youre going with for a union on the website, i just think nobody is really stopping you to make a thread and a chat room
I guess from what I can understand, you want the union to have some official recognition, right? To be taken seriously. I get it. You wouldnt want to make an attempt at it and then see it fail. But perhaps its more of a thing that once yourself and your union well-established, the staff will recognize your efforts and idk perhaps even link the matrix room on the /meta/ sticky ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is how i felt initially but as I said, the thing stopping it being posted is the mods themselves, who deleted all threads and were ruthlessly against it. Its not about being taken seriously, it is literally about it being able to exist, also, if it is to be truly representative, then as many posters as possible must have the chance to take part. If they don't know it exists then it isn't really for them
I think what you say is generally true, discussion kinda breeds discussion, it also just adds a bit more colour to the catalog to have threads about things other than the latest country to get couped or another argument about China
However, there is something to be said about a very slow dusty archive of old slow threads that maybe people have taken more thought over.
Maybe there is some way to fuse the two. I think maybe keep those boards, but also allow talk of music and such on the other boards, eventually if the thread gets large, migrate it to the slower boards. This would also help to populate the slower boards kinda more like a pipeline
Not a bad idea. Another idea could be to have the existing boards made into stickies on /siberia/ so that even if they end up slow, they can remain on the catalog and build up that archival factor you're talking about. I wonder too if there's any way of having the threads exist in duplicate on two different boards? So you could have a sticky on /siberia/ with the same thread existing on a /hobby/ board, updated from both, to potentially drive traffic over there? Again, not sure if that's possible. Just an idea.
Maybe you shouldn't have wrecked the site then if you wanted to determine the trajectory of it.
PS: How have your efforts to send the correct critical support to the nations struggling against imperialism worked out? Any tangible effect yet or?…
I agree comrade! The mods are a bunch of normies and should be re-educated through force-feminization
Old mods best mods!
I love you Che! Please return to punish the modern rojava fags–chapotroons
based and correct now get out
I will not attempt to change this view, because I agree with most of the points. Board sprawl made sense in 2020 when we had double the PPD. Now it just dilutes conversation and draws anything of decent quality away from /leftypol/ and /siberia/.
Of course, it's a controversial idea.
I can understand someone being annoyed if we just locked all the /alt/ boards and forced people to make a new thread for a niche topic that will get 0 replies and die, but I suppose that's where the generals come in.
Plus, if a topic somehow sees enough activity in later years to the point of starting to flood /siberia/, it can just become a new board through proving itself to have the energy.
I mean, I usually just browse via the overboard. Culling these other boards would just mean less thread capacity. None of them are that inactive to justify culling them.
Like, the last thread in bump order on siberia is december last year, That's very fast, almost too fast.
I don't think most of the threads on the boards that would be culled would fit the /siberia/ vibe and might not have been made if the only option was to post it in /siberia/.
>>24942>still seething about muh coup
Put your flag back on m00dy
Never forget that by rejecting the word Cockshott, this board, mods, and users will forever burn in hellfire and be devoured by Ruby the Troll. Forgive us Lord PenisPistol we know not what we do.
You will know the coup-ers by their fruits, go to leftychan if you really think their rule would have been better
>>24944>4 idiots randomly seizing the server and running it into 0 pph is just 'muh coup' I wonder who could be responsible for that steep drop off.
It was stupid. It was so stupid and petty that a large number of users just didn't bother going to either site and left entirely. Turns out most users don't care about mod drama.>>24945
What about devs? Are devs ok?
I don't think the farce of a coup had much of an effect, IP-wise.
What a telling choice of words. Did you know the majority of americans have no idea what actually happened on 9/11? They think Iraq or ISIS were responsible in a total reversal of cause and effect.
Post rate in the month immediately following were like 70% the amount, and it never really recovered past 80% in the following months. IP count dipped to about 75% and stayed there [picrel: the measurement errors mark when the server address changed, each vertical bar is 1 week, cropped out the massive spike when Ukraine happened].
And evidently those people weren't posting on leftychan, public stats show they never got even close to the suddenly-missing ~100 IPs per day on /leftypol/. [obligatory: IPs ≠ users
I've also seen a few comments on other sites from people saying they haven't been on /leftypol/ since "the second split".
Eh, lynxchan was broken and the admin was basically AWOL and refused to let staff fix it. At least there was a clear goal and most of the staff were on-board.
Since we're posting stats, I cleaned this up.
I've also added an overlay shifted 4 years.
>seems untenable and dominated by matrix fags
Not sure if you saw the /isg/ conversation with Sage and Comet maybe a week or two ago, I think the domination by matrix fags is a necessary result of trying to combine democracy with an anonymous imageboard. An imageboard that doesn't resort to invasive tracking (I'm talking about actual browser fingerprinting that trackers use, or mobile/photo verified user accounts) or require logins or do live video/audio voting is so easy to abuse that 1 no-life autist can vote 20 times. So you need some type of persistent identity system to help keep it close to 1 vote 1 person, and being a user on Matrix is a convenient way to suggest someone is active in the community and therefore legitimate.
Assuming you are a mod, look at the IP. Don't bother replying to CP spammers.
If you shift it half a year less it magically fits.>>24954>>24950
Both bunkerchan and leftychan split hurt IP and posts per day if I remember correctly. The bunkerchan fiasco was obviously way worse. What a fucking tragedy.
What if we organize embassies or raids (although being secretive about it) with fbi.gov people? fbi.gov is not used by many users here, but it is the defacto social media for so many people on the internet. There are thousands of huge leftist channels there.
Maybe we can organize via fbi.gov or matrix.
>>24954>the second split
Could mean the bunker if you count the Che developments as the first one
>>24969>If you shift it half a year less it magically fits.
Yeah, it's an interesting point. My guess is that Trump was just a more exciting first few months after being elected than Biden and that was when /leftypol/ was first growing, leading to a shifted peak compared to 2020/2021.
Turns out I misquoted, it was on a Deprogram group, they said "I stopped paying attention after the last split." 6 months ago, so again it could technically also mean the bunker split but I doubt it if they emphasized 'last'.>>24975>What if we organize embassies
There was a mod who (IIRC basically single-handedly) made a few short-term embassy threads and outreach efforts, but I don't know if they were ever to fbi.gov groups.
I guess the hard part with raids and embassies is they are more likely to generate annoyance than, say, posting watermarked tastefully, not huge annoying abominations
memes and linking to threads where it's actually relevant. That doesn't even mean restricted to 'left-wing' places, but there is a difference between 'yeah it's crazy how they can build hospitals that quickly, theres a post explaining that in this china thread' and 'hey /gif/ im from leftypol please visit our board :)))'
Yeah, I meant /leftypol/ the board
>muh pph muh numbers
I remember boards on old 8chan being way slower and still being pretty engaging. Whereas I can leave this site for an hour and come back to see plenty of new activity on the overboard. I think it's 4chan/reddit brain that makes people care all that much.
This. Especially newfag threads like /isg/ and /usapol/ and much of /siberia/ are adrenaline junkies or, worse, people who centre their social life around this site.
Adrenaline junkies will cry no matter which imageboard they go to. If it's slower than an instant messenger, BAWWW.>>25019
Metrics can suggest* if people are leaving more often or not being replaced.
If too many good posters leave and none arrive, the quality is likely to go down.
IPs is not an ideal metric, because dynamic IPs are pretty normal these days, along with the Tor node being counted as 1.
PPH is not an ideal metric, because two people in a shit-flinging fight can double it. Removing idpol garbage or putting more time into posts lowers PPH even with the same number of users.
But those are the only quantitative measures there are, without doing some proper university-grade literary analysis. So people cling to them.
But with that all said, the difference between 1000 posts a day and 10 posts a day (like more niche imageboards have) is massive. It changes the entire site. More people can mean more change you'll find people with the knowledge or interests you have, more artists, more projects, all kinds of things.
Having been on a site that in the span of about a year went from 12 drawfags to ~0, and where just one /pol/shitter coming in now makes up a noticeable percentage of the posts on the site, it's no fun. If this place had low activity and no culture generation, people would probably just leave for shitposting chat groups or slow quality-controlled forums.
>>25021>where just one /pol/shitter coming in now makes up a noticeable percentage of the posts on the site, it's no fun.
It's been like that for most of /leftypol/ lifespan, but that's mostly because we love b8 in here.
They were slow but engaging because they were good. That's hardly the case for now. The board quality has dropped horrendously since like 2020.
What's not to care? Do you prefer /leftypol/ to be a sad obscure forum that is slowly rotting away? Some of us have always wanted /leftypol/ to make it, to explode in popularity, rival /pol/'s numbers, etc. A non-reddit, non-glowing big leftist space like that would have so much potential.>inb4 but too many numbers is bad quality!
False. /leftypol/ at its peak had both quantity and quality. I remember it.
I think there's lots of potential in advertising with content creators networks, such as Deprogram and Midwestern marx. I would be willing to pay for some advertising space, but only if I can do it anonymously. I'd be willing to send someone crypto if they do it though.
Ok, you wanted that but did you do anything? Wanting is cheap as always. I too want many things.>>25028
Don't see it. In the first place this would imply that quality was absolutely amazing before.>>25021
Having less actual content producers is a real problem.
Pph is a very imperfect metric. Of course having more people is better (all else being equal). I do think the point of a forum / imageboard over chats is that there is a bite inhibition to making posts with zero content. If you want speedy prattling just go somewhere else.
Its Pretty weird that it seems to split and die almost immediately after every peak.
1) The systems of administration is not robust enough to deal with those numbers or 2) glow shit sees we are getting big and does a number on us. or 3) Its a coincidence. or 4) we go through cycles of the moderation calm periods and then some variant of mod throws a hissy fit and casts the whole thing into shadow, irrelevant of numbers but perhaps slightly related. >>24961
pretty much exactly. >>24969
I remember it also, I remember both splits and the boards become slow but also concentrated with unbearable people cos its only the nutjobs-such as my self - who stick around. >>24975>>24983
another point i have continually stress is that through a union things like this can be planned. Just making shout out threads on the boards doesn't work, you need accountability, organisation. >>25019
Numbers bring more people, more diversity of backgrounds, of thought, often, higher levels of thought and theory. You have to be literally insane to think our 250 IPs are the most advanced communist minds of our generation or some shit. No, we definitely are not, whatever you think about things, but perhaps we can attract some of these types of people we tweak things up. >>25020
the other point is, we are supposed to believe in a mass movement. 250 people aint that.>>25029
yes comrade>>25037>Having less actual content producers is a real problem.
people who are content producers usually do so because 1) they are creatives looking for a outlet 2) the banter.
The board as it stands, is not a good outlet for creative people because it is too restrictive. Hence, there are few, there used to be FAR more
See, in order to come to the ideal solution, I think it requires proper conversations like this, involving a lot of users so they can have their input. Must of the time, you can in fact make most people happy enough if you try and be constructive with your solutions.
>>25040>You have to be literally insane to think our 250 IPs are the most advanced communist minds
how the fuck did you get that from my post?>Sage
oh I see
this is why we should care
re 1: i remember reading somewhere semi-recently about named forums, and how about 20% of users were somewhat-regularly active, they would split after reaching about i think 800 people (maybe the author fudged the numbers some for effect, i can't say), which is around dunbar's number.
I have no clue how this would translate to non-named social media. Tbh if anything I think the situation would be worse - you might start out with large-group habits, which is similar to toxic cesspools like twitter and stuff. Who knows but i thought this was an interesting option 5
>you need accountability, organisation.
not 100% related but i noticed in the mod team, things would be a lot smoother if there were duties assigned, everything gets put off because "so is someone going to do this?" "hey can someone say if this is good?". It's not crippling but it's definitely extremely inefficient. Some mods like that ig, its not like we have much responsibilities beyond deleting and banning, outside of /roulette/, maybe banners and flags which mostly falls on dev shoulders.
>250 people aint that.
sage can i ask u this - do you think a mass movement will congregate online? I find myself feeling similar sentiments about how it'd be cool to have more ppl, and more grass-touching ppl on leftypol, but then i remember that literally people are here because theyre not touching grass, and it makes me ambivalent on the whole thing. Leftypol was born with some fatal flaws, in theory they could be patched out, but in actuality it would remove leftypol's raison detre (which is: edgy semi-idealist anti-social/incel/teenager arguing obscure leftist trivia on the internet).
another consideration is that for every content producer, there are multitudes of content consumers. Producers beget consumers. A more fun content-producing thing is the silly poope wawa stuff, and the oekaki/ms paint thread. It's chill and open-ended. (i think quarantining internet stuf in ITG/ISG was a good move, otherwise the whole site could be taken over by haz, finbol, prolecult, w/e "omg look new video!", which is even lower-quality than we have now. I agree with the sentiment, but mostly cause like - the peeps who made the Organizing thread balloon, where did they go? or where has that level of serious yet not solemn discourse gone? Back around that time i was trying to drum up that kind of shit and contributing lots, and overall it got pushed out or ignored (except organizing thread) for china arguments and stupid pol/anarchist arguments ad infinitum. Its tiresome. If there should be any change to leftypol, it should be one rule: ban all autism, only talk about things that you can link to your personal life [and personal political activity ofc])
Restricting the tor node to registered accounts was when it all went down.
>>25049>when it all went down
tbh it was an inevitable thing. the TOR node, for all intents and purposes, counted as 1 IP, meaning that any post delay to stop spam applied to every single person using it at a time, making the whole thing increasingly unusable for everyone (especially with spam going on in it). some kind of TOR accounts would split the node off into multiple IPs so that TOR usage was a lot more comparable to a normal IP posting experience rather than the hell that it was.
without it, there was basically only 3 options for TOR: as few people used it as possible so it was workable for those people, it bottlenecked with a lot of people trying to use it at once thus making it increasingly impossible for everyone to use it, or it was used for spam and had to be banned because it was otherwise an unlimited free pass to post as much cheese pizza all over the site as you wanted with no consequences. the only people who whinge about the change are either people who loved to spam via it, don't consider why it happened, or concern trolls who don't care about the node to begin with.
I JUST CALLED THE CYBER NKVD AND IVE BACKTRACED ALL OF YOUR ACCOUNTS YOURE DONE BUCKO
Wvoobly spams twitter posts, shay hornypost and Templar is mentally ill
sounds like what I expected
>>25080>Templar is mentally ill
Templar has been away from the holy land for too long and lost God's grace as a result. It's not mental illness, it's demonic possession.
Bigga numbah makes us stronger ooga booga
small number makes us high quality. Why? BECAUSE IT JUST DOES OKAY
This is now a dead dogfucker board. If you don’t heed some warning, the pph will drop to zero and you won’t even have your little fiefdom
as a tripfag youre just as annoying as mods who need to use their capcode for every little thing or ex-mods who cant not use an attention attracting image for all their posts
grande mocha latte bitch doesn't stop it being a dead board
If it bothers you how about do something positive about it instead of just endlessly bitching all the time? Doss cunt.
I have made very lengthy suggestions as to what could be done. It isn’t allowed. Read the thread
suggestions being 'just ban porn'? as if that will make a difference?
the really sad part is that i'm not even mad about anything. if i was one of the many retards that dot this site, i could be all "oh, it's that i can't say slurs, oh, it's that we're too pro-NATO(?!), oh, it's that we don't use forced anon", or a litany of other stupid fucking opinions (acshually dying makes us higher quality). no, there's no big pressing issue that i'd go "fix this and it's all good" - i mean there is, it's new user recruitment - but i haven't dropped from 10 posts an hour to 10 posts a month for want of new users. maybe the site will get (un)lucky and whatever cock i've been sucking instead of posting here will finally succumb to all the STDs floating around my stupid mouth, forcing me to return here and spout run-on-sentences from it in a metaphor that doesn't really make sense because this is typed, but i wouldn't count on it. it's apathy, it's neutrality, it's passivity and it's decay. you look at that wikipedia article and you remember that one day, long after earth-days no longer exist, all matter will become iron-56, and you'll feel that prang of sadness where you think that actually, maybe it'd be okay if the bad people ran the world, so long as there was some matter that wasn't iron-56. but it doesn't matter, your little personal moment of compromise means nothing because that slow, steady march towards death carries on. you will die, water, the universal solvent, will swallow up the earth and the rock that they inter your corpse in, the sun will burn out, the water will freeze or evaporate away, and the cold and barren rock that's left behind will be torn into thousands of little pieces by gravitational forces, and then each of those little pieces will eventually decay or combine until all that's left is a frozen, dead universe of iron-56. this is the way of all things, and no imageboard should ever leave you contemplating that fact. welcome to the iron age, motherfucker.
why did you have to use the funny surprise box, my eyes fucking hurt reading your egotistical post
because the pain your eyes feel serves as an appetizer for the painful death i'm wishing upon you personally. then you're buried, water, etc, etc, if you've read the post you know how it goes…
(also because it's an appendix to the real post, which is 4 words and two punctuation marks long. and like an appendix, sometimes it swells up really big and it's best if a doctor removes it.)
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