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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Since the drama over the Elon/h1b meltdown thread, I've noticed some people would like an opportunity to provide more generalized feedback. Most of the time mods would prefer to stay behind the scenes and not engage with the userbase due to the numerous bad faith actors, crossposters, and others who would take advantage of that. The downside is that moderation is often really opaque to users which is a frustrating experience.

Just note, this thread is for general site governance and policy, not specific ban decisions for example, which still goes to the relevant /meta/ thread or tech feedback, unless you really feel you can't get ahold of those people for whatever reason. I would like to continue the type of conversations that we've had in threads like >>>/meta/37778

I'm not terminally online and obviously I need to eat, sleep, go to work, and do other stuff so I won't always respond here instantly, but when I'm online I will try and respond to the queries in relatively timely manner.

Also note while I take suggestions, the website isn't a dictatorship, its a modocracy so any ideas I take from this thread still have to be put to a vote for 1-2 weeks or more before, for example, it can become an ordinance. Same for repealing ordinances or any other major decision. Normally, this sort of thing would go in /meta/ but some users have expressed that /meta/ doesn't get enough traffic for it to be truly representative of the userbase (not that anything ever could be).

This thread will be cyclical - also note that this is feedback to ME, specifically, not the whole mod team. For that use /meta/. Not to say they can't also chime in but it isn't a requirement.

TLDR: this is a suggestions/complaints + AMA thread.
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the idea that a marxist would even entertain a liberty-authority dichotomy is embarrassing to say the least…

>>38188
>This whole narrative of chans aging out is bullshit. Pure bourgeois consciousness, where the myth of innovation is fetishised as technological change.

Can you back up this opinion?

> It is not what happens to fora; their growth may stagnate, but the population is still replaced. More pointedly: when 4chan was young it was populated by people well over 20, with some teens in the mix (hence why they were so loathed).


Yet, most of our political faux pas are usually people over twenty five.

>People who regurgitate that claim have no idea what they are talking about.


Well, again, do you have evidemce for this claim?

>>38433
>>2098033
>>2098031
nod an aggumend :^D

By liberal standards I'm surely an evil totalitarian but I feel the need to distinguish myself from supposed socialists who want power over others just for the sake of it, because they aren't happy with their own lives, and actually think barracks communism would be a good thing. Of course the state should intervene to protect life in examples like COVID but it shouldn't attempt to control every aspect of culture and existence.

I have a question, how does the report system work? Like do you see the chronological list of reports, which you then check and decide whether the action should be taken? Because yesterday I reported blatant rule breaking on siberia, numerous mods have been online since, I can see them doing other things in mod log, but the shit is still on /siberia/, very visibly, now at least pushed back to 2nd in the catalog.

>>38436
Are you referring to the posts about Haz/MAGAcom?

>>38437
No, I am talking about unspoilered pornography being posted inside SFW threads. Its especially upsetting in light of comments from mods like >>38179, about incels being banned. If I post a semi-ironic blackpill video it does get removed, but porn of some women being violently brutalized is perfectly ok.

>>38438
That report is not on the docket currently, please report again if you want me to look at it.

>>38439
What does it meant its not docket? Was it never filed, or was it already dismissed by a mod?

>>38440
Already dismissed probably. Though it's possible they banned the user without leaving a warning/removing the post.

>>38284
He's not wrong though. I'm born after 92 and I have no fucking clue who William Gibson is.

>>38442
Why are you sageing a cyclical?

>>38435
That's reasonable. Not sure I'd call that "libertarian" necessarily, but just a socialist gov allocating it's resources in a reasonable scope, but I guess it pans out the same.

>>38436
if nothing happens report it more than once, like report once then report again a few hours later because even if one mod dismissed it another mod might have a different opinion.

>>38433 (me)
>>38435
but barracks communism would actually be a good thing though, nechayeav was right!!!!

the problem with libertarian socialism is exactly that its proponents:

>feel the need to distinguish myself from supposed socialists who want power over others just for the sake of it


its shocking that a supposed socialist who has been in spaces like leftypol for nearly a decade would still believe such propaganda

>>38447
Because like, most socialists aren't thinking of full on barracks communism. It's just excessively pedantic.

>>38448 (me)
Like Marx himself coined the term to criticise. Marx would be a libertarian socialist if that's how this worked, but nah he's just a socialist.

>>38449
marx was a liberal who couldn't handle necheayevs real and authentic communist praxis

It's very common to see people get shit on for asking a stupid question, like with https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2098551.html

I'm of the opinion that these kinds of posts should still be responded to either in good faith, or not at all, and allowing people to reply with things like "fuck you retard SAGE!" is detrimental to the overall quality of the board. Good discussions can come from bad initial posts, and even if they can't, responding to garbage with more garbage ultimately just produces more garbage.

Of course, the counterargument is that not all posts deserve replies, and to that I say, why is the post still up then? It's the moderator's job to moderate, not the user's.

>>38451
the thread is a legit question with legit replies, deleting it would be stupid

>>38447
Its shocking that a socialist who has been in spaces like leftypol for nearly a decade wouldn't believe it! There's currently a 300+ reply thread on this very site full of faggotards arguing whether the concept of hiphop is kosher for konunism (for the record, it is, China allows it and it's mainstream there, the guy who says they banned it is flat out wrong). So many of the people on this site think that Communism is fascism with the social values of 20th-century Russia.

And before you say anything, I'm not Vooshcoded. My stance is that of subsidiarity, that issues should be solved on the most local level that practical reality allows: federal government < state government < city government. If a town votes to ban homosexual relationships, for example, good for them. Go be gay somewhere else. You'll find very little resembling liberal notions of "human rights" in my thought.

>>38451
I think those users are being needlessly edgy because they've been allowed to get away with it.

I would like to address that yes marxist philosophy has failed us and needs an upgrade. None of the posters here have the ability to produce new books of theory. If you cant do this your position in organization is force and violence. If you cant fight with or without arms you are worse than useless.

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>>38453
>Go be gay somewhere else.
holy shit.

>>38455
I've had some free time recently, I should make a page on my neocities where I try to cook up some new theory. Could be a good way to get my worldview worked out, and recieving critique on it could be fun.

>>38455
not a theory thread

>>38456
I personally am gay. But if a community finds homosexuality intolerable, they should not be forced to tolerate it by outside forces.

>>38459
why not? why shouldn't i stroll in with a gang of rifle men and force them at gun point to witness our gay orgy? why should this "community" have such authority? from where does it descend?

>>38459
If a community finds homosexuality intolerable, then they already demonstrated non-ethically founded morals and will be counter-revolutionary.
Being a leise fair lolbert when it comes to reactionaries is just enabling reactionaries.
>>38460
mandatory furry boykisser hypno

>>38461
You are indistinguishable from a neo-liberal. Homosexuality is not and will not be sanctioned by any communist states, and like any other form of bourgeois decadence will be subject to repression until it falls out of fashion. Most of the population is already very much opposed to public displays of unproductive sexuality in any form, much less sodomy, so the only way you are going to get the proletariat to tolerate your ilk is through direct force of arms. In which case the status quo of NATO is perfect for you
>>38460
Degeneracy is neither quirky nor funny(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>38462
>Homosexuality is not and will not be sanctioned by any communist states
already is tho

>>38462
China, Cuba, and every other current AES country already does. The only reason the USSR didn't is they brought back tsarist policies to appease reactionaries. Communism isn't tsarism.

>>38462
>Homosexuality is not and will not be sanctioned by any communist states
Got some bad news for you, sweaty.

>>38462
>Homosexuality is not and will not be sanctioned by any communist states
Objectively wrong. How embarrassing.

>>2098887

I consider myself "libertarian" in the sense that I believe in decentralized authority; specific communities impose the rules they need to deal with their particular problems, rather than a giant state attempting to figure out everything in the abstract. Also, authority absolutely exists and if you claim it doesn't you're retarded.
>who rejects the scientific and successful applications of Marxism in Marxism-Leninism
I don't reject them, I just think there's a better option.

>>38466
>I consider myself "libertarian" in the sense that I believe in decentralized authority
That's not libertarianism, that's anarchism. Libertarianism is more specific than that. It's what happens when you try to reconsile anarchism with liberalism and let the liberalism win. You don't seem like a liberal.

>>38466
>I don't reject them, I just think there's a better option.

probly not unreasonable. i consider myself a libsoc in the sense that i think it would be a good thing to have a libsoc faction inside a democratic centralist one party state that is there to act as a check on other factions that they should be working towards a future decentralized authority, but not in the sense that we should work outside the party to overturn it when they have majority democratic support because it doesn't line up perfectly with our ideals, and the reverse for mls if libsocs happen get a majority

>>38465
>infected by bourgeoisie decadence

>>38467
Libertarianism is more 'moderate' about state power than anarchism

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>>38453
>If a town votes to ban homosexual relationships, for example, good for them. Go be gay somewhere else.
This is why lolberts are cringe lmao.
If a town votes to ban homosexuality, blow up city hall, preferably with as many bureaucrats inside as possible.

>>38471
Live in 'bomb other towns and don't abide by NAP' town

>>38467
I still believe an overall state is necessary, at least in the short term. Said state should defer to local politics as much as possible, but it's not to say that federal politics won't exist. A true stateless society cannot exist within anything even resembling current material conditions.

>>38473
Fair, I consider myself an anarchist but recognise states as a tool among several for creating the material conditions where statelessness is feasable.

>>38473
sorry but, anarchism WILL be achieved through enlightened absolutism, all local politics will be abolished.

>>38462
>Most of the population is already very much opposed to public displays of unproductive sexuality in any form
lil bro never held hands let alone kissed a girl in public

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>>38462
>bourgeois decadence
<proletarian identitarianism
There it is again
>Most of the population is already very much opposed to public displays of unproductive sexuality in any form
More like in some cultures any public displays of affection are generally disliked.
Anyway dude you'll find a lot of proles are bi and do gay stuff without labeling themselves as homosexuals. Been there done that…

>>38469
>idealism

My first boyfriend I had sex with drew a very detailed, extravagantly done nude pic of me and posted it on the internet. It gained a LOT of attention. He didn't tell me this for many years, and I've no idea where it is or what it could be under. I wish that I could find it. I was very sexy back then lol

Why is rule 11 barely enforced? There's so many posts here along the lines of
>fuck you retard kill yourself faggot
with no actual substance. It makes sense to see this kind of thing on the likes of /siberia/ and /dead/, but why is it allowed to slide on /leftypol/?

I want to make it clear, by the way, that my issue isn't with the presence of crass language, but rather the absence of substance behind that crass language.

>>38480
idk I report those for edge and they usually get zapped.

since this thread seems to have died down and the h1b bullshit has blown over, I'm moving it to /meta/ and locking it so people can still read the messages.


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