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When I posted this over the weekend, it got deleted instantly. Leftypolcels have no problems calling Christianity and Islam fascist, so why is Judaism getting special treatment? If we consider Zionism a form of fascism and imperialism, then Zionists make up the major percentage of Jews worldwide in a way Evangelicals and Wahhabis don't for Christianity and Islam.

"I'm always worried to talk openly about this, because it's been drummed into most Americans that we can't talk about Jewish supremacy out of some sense of collective guilt (especially if you're Middle Eastern, even though we had nothing to do with the Nazi Holocaust). But of the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism is the only one that has an ethnoreligious element that has now spilled over into ethnoreligious supremacy. Jewish supremacists like Elie Weisel who survived the Nazi Holocaust, but still endorsed genocide against Palestinians weren't against the Holocaust because genocide is bad, they were against it because 1) It happened to them, and 2) They weren't the ones doing it."

I really don't know what you are talking about, people here will just blend it all under the umbrella of "abrahamic faiths" despite that being as useful as puting alchemy, chemistry and crystal healing under the same basket.

Also before the acusations start, i denounce the Talmud

where'd you post it? never seen it

>>40957
Here in Siberia over the weekend

>>40958
https://leftypol.org/log.php?board=siberia
show me on the log where you got deleted

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>>40955
Yeah it's surreal encountering the literal term "judeofascism" while reading the correspondence between Benjamin and Scholem (a rabid zionist) but not among actual anti-zionists. Just shows how far the discourse has decayed.
People had better wise up to this shit. It has completely unique characteristics. Every other extremist religious movement on earth has the goal of spreading its religion by making converts into full members. This one doesn't. It seeks to keep the religion exclusive to an ethnic "elite" while making everyone else recognize their superiority. Picrel mentions a Filipino sect, but I would venture to say that the entirety of "Christian" zionists in the US already follow this religion. Israelis literally step and spit all over Christians in the holy land and US evangelists either don't care or cheer it on. Like OPs pic says, they're not really Christians. They've already turned into something else. Their only religion is Israel.


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that pharaoh stare

when a hebrewcel says something so egyptphobic you gotta hit them with that pharaoh stare

I am a veteran of being banned for talking about how jewish synagoges globally are financially inseperable from the state of Israel.

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>>40963
But that's like
An indisputable fact n shit

>>40963
>>40964
yeah as it turns out mods are human and have bias that they refuse to recognize as they believe it doesn't exist. i was born long after 9/11 and the world where the holocaust happened is "old world" to me; humans are humans, evil can sprout from anywhere, and a good gardener will be open to finding the weeds sprouting between concrete and amongst belles alike.

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The chabad lubavitch rabbi Schneerson was famously… well I'd say "racist" but really his shit goes beyond what you'd even find in Mein Kampf.
If you've never heard of chabad lubavitch you can't be blamed, it's an obscure sect of an obscure sect in ultra orthodox Judaism. Inexplicably however they seem to have all US governments by the balls since every single year in April, since 1985 under Ronald Reagan, every US president officially honors this lunatic by decree. See also the "noahide" thing come up again and how they explicitly state this is something they desire to spread among amerikkkans.

>Judeofascism
Schizophrenia like "JudeoBolshevism"

>>40967
Then you admit that referring to Trump administration as fascist is also schizophrenic

>>40968
Why? Nobody claims Trump "christofascist", just a regular one.

>>40969
Regardless, it's schizophrenic

ben gvir literally runs on the jewish power party and israel has a third temple messianic fringe. ultranationalism has been in israel since its creation

>>40968
Yes, Trump is not a fascist. Fascism is a specific reaction against the working class, calling him fascist is a distortion.

>>40972
Just about the dumbest shit I've ever read

>>40973
The label of "fascist" isn't applicable to the Trump administration. What was wrong with my statement?

>>40974
Fascist has become a new slur thrown around for anything right of Biden.

Just like how commie was thrown around as a slur for anything left of Reagan

Jews and Zionists have basically shismed at this point. It's like accusing Christian fascism of being Judeofascism because Jesus was jewish. Zionism has split from Judeism into it's own new abrahamic religion.

>>40965
>>40964
>>40963
mods unfortunately are used to dealing with random /pol/ users posting about international jewry and shit so sometimes they do false positives when they see somebody talk about real zionism


wow the nazis came out to deny being fascists coincidentally in the same thread talking about how all jews are bad
fascinating!

Ultra Orthodox are innocent, it's the modernist sects that are in bed with Israel.

>>41563
Read Auschwitz the Great Alibi by Bordiga

>then Zionists make up the major percentage of Jews worldwide
Not a measurable statistic, and there's a very obvious shism happening between zionism and judaism, so the time window where you could consider one a subset of the other is closing.

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>>41565
>Ultra Orthodox are innocent, it's the modernist sects that are in bed with Israel.
That's a lie. The Haredi are the worst Zionists in Israel. They are the majority of the frontline settlers and some do in fact serve in the IDF despite being exempt and they've been the most notorious in that notorious group. So notorious, even Biden wanted to sanction them specifically.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/misfits-or-misunderstood-sanctions-threat-shines-light-on-idfs-haredi-fighting-unit/
Misfits or misunderstood? Sanctions threat shines light on IDF’s Haredi fighting unit
>Claims of ideological vigilantism and cruelty invite US moves against Netzah Yehuda, which has integrated thousands from religious world into mainstream society

>But even in Israel, Netzah Yehuda troops face opposition over a string of incidents that critics say demonstrate a systemic and ideologically motivated disregard for IDF norms, most of them surrounding allegations of cruel and illegal treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank, including leaving an elderly Palestinian-American man to die handcuffed and blindfolded on a near-freezing night.

Even the Israelis are saying cool it down.

I don't know why you guys insist on running cover for these freaks.

>>41569
Check this documentary for more info on what evil shit the settler Haredi get up to.

>>41572
>In late July 2015, an arson attack on a family home in the Palestinian village of Duma, in the West Bank, resulted in the killing of three members of the Dawabshe family, the youngest of whom, Ali, was only 18 months old.

>The firebombing also caused seven-year-old Ahmed Dawabshe, Ali's brother, second and third-degree burns across his body, the scars of which he still bears today.


>Ahmed, who now lives with his grandfather, remains in Duma, across the West Bank border from his attackers: members of the Hilltop Youth.


>Residing on outposts often neighbouring areas populated heavily by Palestinians (not to be confused with Israeli settlements) the Hilltop Youth are known for their extreme religious nationalism. Mostly made up of young people between the ages of 16 and 25, the group are followers of Kahanism; an ideology based on the teachings of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane.


>Meir Ettinger, Kahane's grandson, was one of several settlers charged for the Duma murders, also known as "Price Tag" killings, alongside 21-year-old Amiram Ben-Uliel and an unnamed minor. They were all released after serving minimal prison time.


>The label "Price Tag" was born from actions taken by the group to claim a "price" for any actions taken against them or their hilltop settlements by Palestinians.


>I'm teaching Ahmed that you don't have to seek vengeance. That you do not have to kill. Your vengeance must be your success.


>Hussein Hassan Dawabshe , Ahmed Dawabshe's grandfather


>"This is how the concept of 'Price Tag' was created. It's because the government did not take revenge against our enemies," says Kahanist and settler, Moriya Goldberg.


>"The people who burned the house in Duma wouldn't have done it if the state treated Arabs as enemies," says Goldberg's sister, Rut.


>Although relatively small, with only several hundred members, the Hilltop Youth are known for having incited violent acts of hatred against Palestinians and Palestinian homes, mosques and churches.


>They are also known for having a difficult relationship with left-wing Israelis, the Israeli army and even with Shin Bet, Israel's internal security service.


>"The more nationalistic you are, the more militia-like you become. All of a sudden, every idiot at the top of the hill takes a flag, sticks it down and that's the new border of the country," says former speaker of the Knesset, Avraham Burg. "They're [the Hilltop Youth] insignificant in numbers, they are insignificant ideologically … they are even insignificant as a crime gang. They are very significant in [how they are] dictating to the government a de facto policy - which is wrong."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach
>Kach (Hebrew: כך, lit. 'Thus') was a radical Orthodox Jewish, religious Zionist political party in Israel, existing from 1971 to 1994.[1] Founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane in 1971 based on his Jewish-Orthodox-nationalist ideology (subsequently dubbed Kahanism), the party won a single seat in the Knesset in the 1984 elections, after several electoral failures.[4] However, it was barred from participating in the next elections in 1988 under the revised Knesset Elections Law banning parties that incited racism. After Kahane's assassination in 1990 the party split, with Kahane Chai ("Kahane Lives") breaking away from the main Kach faction.

>The party was ultimately also barred from standing in the 1992 elections and both organisations were banned outright in 1994 by the Israeli cabinet under 1948 anti-terrorism laws,[5] following statements in support of Baruch Goldstein's massacre of 29 Palestinians at the Cave of the Patriarchs (Goldstein himself was a Kach supporter).[6]


>Both groups are designated as terrorist organisations by Israel,[7] Canada,[8] Japan,[9] and formerly the European Union,[10][11][12] as well as the United States.[13][14] They are believed to have an overlapping core membership of fewer than 100 people,[15][16] with links to the modern party Otzma Yehudit.[17][18]

>>41569
>>41573
They're a minority vast majority of ultra orthodox oppose Zionism

>>41578
No they don't. You just made that up off the top of your head.

>>41573
>They are believed to have an overlapping core membership of fewer than 100 people

>>41580
Provide any proof at all for your claim.
>>41579
>You just made that up off the top of your head.

>>41581
>Haredi opposition to Zionism needs to be separated into two camps, anti-Zionists and non-Zionists. Haredi anti-Zionists are a small but prominent minority in the haredi world.

>Let’s start with the non-Zionists, as they are the vast majority in the haredi world.


https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/on-haredi-opposition-to-zionism-589807
They're either indifferent or anti-zionist but not Zionist as such.

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>>41582
They are using a bizzare definition of non-Zionist:
> Non-Zionists do not attach any messianic significance to the state, since they cannot conceive of redemption coming about through secular hands.

They're saying that you are only a Zionist if there is "messianic significance to the state[of Israel currently]," which I'm sure you would agree is a bullshit definition. Obviously atheist Jews can be Zionist, non-Jews can be Zionist.

Anyways just look up any fucking polling. They are the biggest supporters of Netanyahu and the most right-wing policies in Israel. The most in favor of settlements. The most in favor of displacing Palestinians. I don't know how you got this confused about the subject. You've already immediatly walked back from your first claim:

>>41578
>They're a minority vast majority of ultra orthodox oppose Zionism
Now you're going with:
<Well only a minority oppose it, but most are neutral on Zionism

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-841697
>When asked if they thought Trump’s plan to transfer Gazans to a different country – regardless of whether permanently or temporarily – was the right move, a vast majority (74%) of Jewish respondents said yes. However, that was broken down among religious lines. An overwhelming majority of religious (94%) and haredi (89%) of respondents voted in favor, compared to 81% of traditional (Masorti) Jews and 61% of secular Jews.

>When asked what they thought was the best solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, most religious (63%) and haredi (61%) of respondents answered a one-state solution, with a single Jewish state from the river to the sea. This was further supported by a plurality (40%) of masorti Jewish respondents. However, it was only backed by just over a quarter (27%) of secular Israelis.


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