/meta/ - Ruthless criticism of all that exists (in leftypol.org)

>>44960
>leftcoms say leftypol is run by MLs
>MLs say leftypol is run leftcoms
it never ends, does it huh?

i haven't been to the main board in probably one, two years. waste of time.

It seems that my superiority has led to some controversy :^}

>>44963
long live israel and the us our heroes in the crusade against the bourgeoisie of the third world

>>44964
You are just terminally campist brained, you simply cannot fathom the idea of understanding the world from a different perspective, as I have always said, I hope a zionist russian saboteur bomb you and your family, as that will mean one less campist on the board

>>44965
zionists are fighting a valiant battle against the bourgeoisie of lebanon and iran with the support of glorious american troops commited to real communism inspired by other real socialists such as comrade adolf hitler

>>44963
First time getting controversial?

>>44966
Imma be real with you dog, like 100% real, completly unfiltered
I don't give a shit if sanduyghurs kill eachother, I don't give a shit if a kid from Lebanon or Palestine dies bro, not bwcause i lack empathy, because what Israel is doing is a genocide without any doubt. But because I don't base my political ideology on shit that happens on the other side of the world. I care abojt what happens in my 3rd world shithole, and in this brown cumbia shithole known as Mexico City, the bourg, the politican and the illegalists are the same group of people and I have zero trust that they becoming richer and gaining more economic and political power will help me in any way whatsoever

Remember this becore you reply again bro, I don't really care about death sanduyghurs or russian saboteurs, there is no point in seething about it because I simply don't care, I care about what is immediate to me, and that is, seeing the bourg of my nation suffer

We have been raided by sharty posters who have discovered that putting on the ultra flag even gives them impunity doing basically anything for at least the last 3 months. They are so bold they even are an ultra/sharty crossover board on on here.

>>44968
Yeah, like thank god Israel has no decade-long history of co-meddling in Latin American Affaires, aiding, assisting and given cover for dozens of military and other interventions in Latin America. Because otherwise you would look like a deeply ignorant and historically illiterate person, writing a dumb post like this.

>>44968
>not bwcause i lack empathy
Regardless of your political beliefs, judging purely on the behaviour you display, you do in fact lack empathy.

>>44970
And yet you want me to support the Israeli backed illegalists, politicians and bourgs from Latin-America.

Get real.

People want an alternative that isn't just "shout your support online for powerful nation states with red colored flags". They want a better life and leftists who spend 90% of their time leaking about inter-imperialist conflicts don't improve their working conditions or raise their salaries. Of course the bourgeoisie is aware of this discontent so you can expect to see a lot of social democratic reformist pop up all over, not to mention the right populists who are winning elections all over the world.

So in this shitty state of affairs, at least a few workers escape the hell-matrix of ideology and actually learn about communism and read Marx and become "leftcoms" a.k.a. communists.

Now go ahead and ban us, we don't care. Not only can we just reset our IP, but most of us only come here for the funny memes and lighthearted discussion.

>>44972
I actually truly believe you that you don't care what happens on the other side of the world you know. Must be really nice to never having set a foot inside a super market in the last 3 months and just sending your maid every time. I mean it's hard to care about global crisis if your class position shields you from any exposure to it. So yeah, I don't even think you are lying.

>>44960
everyone is a bad guy except my one and only class party
the guy with the leftcom flag is a communizer, aka inferior anarchist that defiles Das in complete contradiction

the real movement uses armchair

>>44975
also he made an entire thread whining about being banned from the bordy lol
uygha types like that houdini retard so its really easy to get him

>>44974
Ok so I should let the bourg of my shithole to become even richer and even support it because some sanduyghurs inbthe muddle east are killing eachother?

As the the whole supermarket and maid thing, I have posted pictures of me welding in a shitty 3rd world weld shop uyghur, you truly don't know shit.

>>44975
There are multiple people with Leftcom flags of course. I'm not a communizer. Not a member of any party yet, either, but I sympathize with the ICP.

>>44978
>, but I sympathize with the ICP.
Wrong, which one?

>>44979
I don't truly the understand the split, although it doesn't matter now I guess since Intcp seems dead. So it's this for now - https://www.international-communist-party.org/

>>44977
Cool, so you have enough leisure time to have a hobby and larp as a prole online. Doesn't explain the fact hat you are so out of touch when it comes to the current crisis. So either your maid or your mom is buying your food. Otherwise you wouldn't make these insane statements.

>>44981
>Working is a hobby
Lol
Lmao, even

Truly a fucking retard

I thought it always was like this? Although I am only been here since last August.

>>44968
This is the truth that most people don't wanna face.
All the moral obsession over Israel is mainly a political fling.
I bet most people dot really care about Palestine. They just wanna hate on Jews.

>>44969
This site glorifies 4chan.

>>44965
>terminally campist brained
<they got triggered but couldn't bring themself to deny being a Zionist
they always do this lol
>you simply cannot fathom the idea of understanding the world from a different perspective
Utopian idealist socialism is 200 years old, typically pretentious of your redditor class to think you are somehow beyond the contradictions of history (that's what the nazis thought btw)
>zionist russian saboteur bomb you and your family
The Jeffrey Epstein Class occupying Russia in 1992 said "sex work is work, smash the Stalinist state for open borders!" before radlibs like you were even alive:
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Harvard+boys+do+Russia.-a020769077

>>44968
>gaining more economic and political power will help me in any way whatsoever
soulless libertarians on reddit: "I could not care less about the state building clean drinking water infrastructure (scoffs), I care about ideals and memes. Making Erik Houdini zines is radical praxis"

>>44973
>at least a few workers escape the hell-matrix of ideology and actually learn about communism and read Marx and become "leftcoms" a.k.a. communists.
Notice how at no point in their euphoric circlejerking sessions will these soulless redditors ever engage with The Real Movement of communism, i.e collective struggle, like "we should have solidarity with farm/factory workers and organize". Leftcoms are gamerchair Marxism with no hope for anything but smugly sniffing their own farts and looking over with scorn and contempt for the proletariat who actually moves history forward because of their love for humanity

They took the "don't forget leftcom cat" too seriously

>>44985
>glorifies 4chan
4chan was a Zionist side-project to convert innocent people into alt-right cuckery. Leftypol embraces communism and other leftist ideologues.

>>44984
Who are you and who is buying your gas and food for you right now to the point where you have zero exposure to the current war where you are calling it a moral non-issue? Would love to not care about the middle east but unfortunately I am a worker who needs to buy food and gas to survive. There is a reason why Israeli approval ratings are down the toilet even among fucking libs. Your own class position most likely shields you from the exposure to the current crisis probably, that's why you don't give a shit.

>>44982
You are not working though. Working people care about food and gas prices rising due to exposure to imperialist ventures. Someone or something else is alimenting you. Literally everyone I know who used to be the most politically apathetic person I know is currently shitting on Israel and the US because of the energy and food crisis. So your story doesn't make sense.

>>44969
I find it amusing that the mods havent caught up with that. We're literally experiencing a stealth-occupation by sharty trolls that realized just using a flag gives them complete immunity and the people that get banned arent them but the people that notice.

>>44991
There literally is a sharty honeypot nuboard advertised on the siberia front-page that runs some shady shit in the background the moment you open the link, advertised as an 'ultra-board' and mods don't do shit. Guess there already has been a successful infiltration.

>>44988
Leftypol claims to embrace communism but they just want freebies and alot of people on here hailfrom 4chan and reminisce about it.

>>44991
they were so obvious one of them posted a pdf of chatgpt slop the other day lmao. but its way too frequent which suggests as >>44992 says infiltration in the ranks. we have a gorbachev.

/leftypol/ was dead the moment OldBO decided to ban anons who expressed positive feelings towards Rojava and Iranian workers going on strike in 2018. It stopped being "an anonymous community of non-sectarian leftists united in common cause against the forces of capitalism, fascism, and liberalism".
People from all tendencies used to talk together, respect each other, post elaborate wall of texts that weren't simply quote mining but original contributions, while the userbase was at large smart enough to deal with the constant /pol/ raids and humiliate them every time they started shit. Hell, we even had a "Naziposter" who was a disappointed ex-nazi and was absolutely ruthless with /pol/yps.

All these people left, got a life, and they got replaced by campists. Overnight, the discussion weren't about the mechanisms of capitalism or how to organize IRL anymore, but "Critical support for X", as if giving support for a foreign national bourgeoisie by shitposting mattered materially in anyway whatsoever.
The real blow though, was the Russo-Ukrainian war. The correct analysis is that it is unironically an inter-imperialist war, because if you read Lenin, imperialism involves multiple world powers competing for new markets, in this instance, it's NATO vs. Putinist Russia. I can understand wanting NATO to lose, absolutely, but the problem is that, the board became all about this. It stopped being about resisting and abolishing capitalism, since the order of the day was to simp endlessly for Russian capital, and no dissenting opinions were allowed.

And now, what do we have? People who endless comment and bicker on international news and Soviet history, proclaim outlandish shit completely disconnected from material reality, and probably have absolutely zero idea about how to behave in a protest, what do to bring there, how to deal with tear gas, and so on.
On top of that, we finally have "multipolarity" now (i.e. the state of Europe before WWI, or what Lenin described in his book on imperialism), and what happen is that, there is no revolution (since every protest in the third-world is automatically a color revolution, and in the first-world it's always ineffectual, according to the geniuses of /leftypol/), the US admin and Israel become more and more aggressive, and reactionary forces are growing everywhere around the world. The 4D chess masters of /leftypol/ yearned for a situation they are completely incapable of taking advantage of. It's pathetic.

So here we are now. It seems that there are more people from different tendencies today, which is a good thing, the problem is that they aren't as articulate as the posters of the past decade, and it's not their fault, the discourse was engineered in such a partisan campist way that serious intellectual discourse is now an impossibility. I wouldn't take what happens on this website too seriously. Enjoy it while you can.

>>44995
>/leftypol/ was dead the moment OldBO decided to ban anons who expressed positive feelings towards Rojava

Didn't read any further than this. OldBO is literally the most vindicated person in image board history ever.

>>44996
Care to explain why? You probably suffered a severe loss of vocabulary after all these years of suppoooorting, I doubt you can articulate your opinion on the matter.

>>44997
Because everything they said about the Syrian Civil War was predicted correctly.

>>44998
There is a difference between predicting geopolitical events, and managing an online community.
Everyone can predict geopolitical events by reading the right newspapers, some logic and a stroke of luck.
This is completely different from curating an online space and making discussion flourish on it, and OldBO was not good at this once he started imposing his Marcyite ideology on the whole board, and I say this as someone who never got banned.
Pic related, you don't see posts like this anymore, for the reasons I described above.
Also, look at the current state of Syria. Is it in any way, shape or form closer to socialism than it was 10 years ago? No. If anything, I'm surprised the Israeli ghouls didn't launch a full-scale invasion of Syria yet.

Testing to see if Im banned

>>45000
Mods, you let one of the sharty cockroaches escape.

>>44998
Trotskyists learned to support progressive struggle while knowing where the failures where and what it would lead to for the SDF

old BO was absolved by history

>>44968
Of course a criollo living on stolen land won't denounce and support their fellow settler colonialists in the leva t

>>44968
ZASED

>>45005
You are just stupid, anon, I won't base my politics in shit that happens in the other sie of the world vs what happens in my daily life.

Im a simple man I see a left-com poster I hide the post history

>pisslamist gets mad at my posts
Another victory

Counter argument

Counter argument 2

>>45011
>>45010
You can literally call third world workers subhuman filth goycattle who should be shot, preface it with 'free Palestine' or "death2amrrikkka" and you'll be fine

jannies, suck my prolapsed anus and fix your faggotbsite

>>44960
yeah ive completely given up and will leave soon i only come here out of habit and dont effort post anymore at all i just see replies to my threads open them and see bad faith shit think to myself oh wait i dont care close the tab and go do something else.

fuck this website and most of all fuck the jannies and mods

>>44969
yeah its this. its been pretty obvious ever since they started calling the regular communist line on national liberation "third worldist".

>>44961
its neither, just booklet socdem anarcho retards. cant moderate in a non-sectarian manner if you have no idea what the fuck you are reading, or trolls wouldnt get away with the above

>>44992
>and mods don't do shit
should have been apparent they never will when they never distanced themselves from getchan or dismissed the concerns about the legal liability of hosting content that is illegal in certain us jurisdictions not to mention facilitating possession in the browser cache by their users with "its just drawings bro". couldnt make it more obvious as a fed honeypot, and no it doesnt matter if it actually is one because being so fucking stupid about it makes you indistinguishable from one

>>44996
yeah seconded. they didnt have to be so sectarian but you do actually have to ban crypto pro-imperialism concern trolling

>>44995
>because if you read Lenin, imperialism involves multiple world powers competing for new markets
you are actually completely wrong and im tired of saying it and explaining why, but no imperialism is exclusively extraterritorial expansion driven by the falling rate of profit under monopoly stagnation due to technological saturation. its "multiple world powers competing for new markets" explicitly under the above conditions, driven by late capitalist development. it is not ever self defense or national liberation or self determination even if that happens to divide or redivide the world. if you cant derive your definition of imperialism from marx's basic critique of competition leading to consolidation and the increasing organic composition of capital you are wrong and should shut the fuck up

>>45014
>if you cant derive your definition of imperialism from marx's basic critique of competition leading to consolidation and the increasing organic composition of capital you are wrong
and im really at a loss for this whole "argument" and how people cant figure it out. like how could you possibly claim to be a communist if you cant see the link and how lenins analysis isnt new but directly applies marx to changing conditions? how can you claim to be an ml or adjacent or even an ancom or to be upholding a marxist/communist line if you dont even understand how the trprf leads to overproduction creating the contradiction between workers and owners and how that relates to national structures?

the only answer is bad faith trolling. theres not really a reading of marx that does not imply this reading of lenins imperialism. you either have to completely reject lenin, and therefore "revolutionary defeatism" or if you want to apply revolutionary defeatism you have to actually show how both sides have developed to the highest stage of monopoly. why is it the highest stage? because dialectics. monopoly turns into its opposite, stripping capitalism of its progressive elements, namely the increase of productive forces in the pursuit of profit, to living off rent and stagnating productive forces, also in pursuit of profit. its a closed loop and holistic self contained comprehensive analysis and "critique" never ever addresses any of this or offers alternatives just confused emotional bullshit

Almost every single leftcom on here is a tourist or a glowie

>>45014
>imperialism is exclusively extraterritorial expansion driven by the falling rate of profit under monopoly stagnation due to technological saturation. its "multiple world powers competing for new markets" explicitly under the above conditions, driven by late capitalist development.
So you agree with what I said in a fewer words than you expressed.

>>45015
>if you cant see the link and how lenins analysis isnt new but directly applies marx to changing conditions? how can you claim to be an ml or adjacent or even an ancom or to be upholding a marxist/communist line if you dont even understand how the trprf leads to overproduction creating the contradiction between workers and owners and how that relates to national structures?
I don't claim to be any of that, and the Sabocat poster already BTFO'd you on that front in a bunch of previous posts in the thread about Iran: No nation-state consciously starts a war to explicitly restart the rate of profit, it's rather an observation that Marx made, that wars can have the side-effect of relaunching the rate of profit for some national capitals.

>you either have to completely reject lenin
I'm not a Lenin fangirl, I just tried to summarize the theory he straight up lifted from Hobson (a liberal econonist) in a short sentence.

>monopoly turns into its opposite, stripping capitalism of its progressive elements, namely the increase of productive forces in the pursuit of profit, to living off rent and stagnating productive forces, also in pursuit of profit. its a closed loop and holistic self contained comprehensive analysis and "critique" never ever addresses any of this or offers alternatives just confused emotional bullshit
Am I supposed to be the schizo here?

>>45014
>should have been apparent they never will when they never distanced themselves from getchan or dismissed the concerns about the legal liability of hosting content that is illegal in certain us jurisdictions not to mention facilitating possession in the browser cache by their users with "its just drawings bro". couldnt make it more obvious as a fed honeypot, and no it doesnt matter if it actually is one because being so fucking stupid about it makes you indistinguishable from one

Loli is just drawing tho
But if you’re so concerned about it meanwhile you’re ok with racist and rape jokes which have just as much legal liability

>>45022
>So you agree with what I said in a fewer words than you expressed.
no not even remotely because neither russia nor iran can be considered imperialist by this metric. where are russia and iran expanding too due to domestic oversaturation of technological development causing their huge international monopoly finance etc etc ? theyre fucking not. theyre backwards underdeveloped shitholes with no internationally competitive high tech of any kind to speak of, no patents, no multinational organs banks or funds to speak of. both have massive deficits and are basically being plundered wholesale by international capital until maybe the last couple of years, hence the fucking wars dumbass. 10 years ago russia was an american vassal, a literal gas station with nukes. its not imperialist by ANY metric let alone lenins
>I don't claim to be any of that,
proverbial (you), but also you in this case
>and the Sabocat poster already BTFO'd you on that front in a bunch of previous posts in the thread about Iran
yeah i dont think so i had to teach them in the ukraine thread years ago too
>straight up lifted from Hobson
wrong
>>45027
>have just as much legal liability
as forcing all their users users into possession of cached images for loading the catalog in for example us states like texas? i really dont think so