How can socialists bring beauty back into the arts, especially in music?
Beauty has transcendent qualities which are as important for socialists as they are for Christians and the peoples of old. When you are surrounded by nothing but ugly, you start to see the world as nothing but ugly, and begin to lose faith in your fellow working man. Beauty thus builds a sense of solidarity between workers as much as it builds a connection between the spiritual and the material. "Beauty is truth."
Our music today is disgusting. Most of it is chaotic, distorted and off-kilter. Music sampling, which makes up the backbone of hip hop and electronic music, has turned producers into god-men and has completely destroyed the collectivist element of music creation. The Soviet Union, meanwhile, had public orchestras play for the people out in the open free of charge. China bans hip hop and teachers its youth classical music as any socialist nation should.
Beauty is crucial to socialism and we must use socialism to bring it back.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
The fairest monument which can be erected
the most astonishing of all statues
the finest and most audacious column
the arch which is like the very prism of the rain
are not worth the splendid and chaotic heap
which is easily produced with a church and some dynamite
Try it and see
>”socialism is about beauty”
LOL, no.
Learn to use a mod tracker if you think there's an absence of sufficiently beautiful music. RETVRN rhetoric just makes you look lazy on both the front of creation and curation.
Hell even just strudel to get you started:
https://strudel.cc/>transcendentKantian nonsense. You find beauty pleasant because you look at it and dopamine happens. That's all it needs to be, and you can still want things to be pretty for self-serving reasons, which Max Stirner explains is fine.
>the spiritual and the materialIf you were a materialist you would understand that there's no such distinction, all is material, even the thing you think isn't.
>Our music today is disgusting.Get off spotify / the radio / whatever social media algorithm isn't honing in on your tastes and use your bookmarks.
>Most of it is chaotic, distorted and off-kilter.Then listen to theoretically simpler music if fancy time signatures and screeching are too spicy for you.
>Music samplingAll music is sampling. If you use a wood and wire guitar, you are sampling the vibrations of plucked strings. Computers just let you sample more complex things.
>producers into god-men and has completely destroyed the collectivist element of music creation.Again, no one is preventing you from making music.
>China bans hip hopOne visit to any Chinese website would disprove this:
https://www.bilibili.com/https://xiaohongshu.com/>teachers its youth classical musicClassical music is used to teach music everywhere, because classical music is inherently simpler and hones in on core music theory concepts by the simple fact that it was made before more advance music theory was made, not because it's more VRIL than jazz, which you would know China teaches next if you bothered to interact with Chinese netizens even once.
>muh culture
>some religious retardation on top of it
nothing to do with communism you impotent larper lol
>>16059>Music sampling, which makes up the backbone of hip hop and electronic music, has turned producers into god-men and has completely destroyed the collectivist element of music creation.Ever consider most hip hop producers are autistic and have a completely different understanding of "beauty" than neurotypicals? Like, an autistic person who walks into a gothic cathedral won't be taken aback the way a neurotypical person will.
Kanye's music is "ugly" but it's because he's autistic, not because he's Black.
What is wrong with sampling when mysic "standards" and covers were considered a normal part of every artist's catalog before that?
>>16077Probably most musicians and artists in general. Normies can't make art. They are incapable of talent.
>>16078It makes sense in hip hop moreso than other genres, given that it involves using machines and computers.
>>16078>Normies can't make art.Most art is catered to "normies." How do you use art to create a mass movement for socialism unless you pander to the values of "normies?"
>>16079Music is all mathematics you have to subconciously internalize. It is way more autismo to learn a real instrument. You could yeach anyone how to sample in a day.
>>16081MPCs are real instruments.
>>16082No they aren't. They are an audio editing platform and a drum seauencer.
Is a guitar pedal a "real instrument?"
>>16083They are utilized as instruments.
Also, why do so many modern-day classical composers and music theorists revere hip hop producers? What’s their logic, if “pushing buttons on an MPC” isn’t “real” music composition?
>>16085Because they are shamelessly chasing relevancy by doing gimmicky pop culture covers.
>>16085And I'd like to point out they are called Hip Hop PRODUCERS not musicians or songwriters.
>>16086>>16087Also I am certain I know way more about MPCs than you lol.
>>16085J Dilla wasn’t a visionary. He couldn’t drum on beat due to his undiagnosed autism, yet PMC academic elites have convinced everyone he was a genius. Dude's entire innovation was being a shitty drummer. He also produced for a bunch of black nationalists and hoteps like Busta Rhymes and Erykah Badu so there's that.
>>16085This guy is retarded as hell. He says Dilla's tracks have swing because he is manually shifting notes. Has he never sean someone make a beat before? A serious hip hop producer in his vein never draws in the notes or uses quantize features. People typically will do it one drum sound at a time so usually someone would start with the metronome and play the hihats, then snare then kick or maybe snare and kick at the same time. But the tracks have swing because it's played that way, not because it is manually edited after the fact.
>>16094> He couldn’t drum on beat due to his undiagnosed autism, yet PMC academic elites have convinced everyone he was a genius. That's just not true. He is far from the first producer to play with a heavy swing. Really he is kinda aping G Funk. But anyways it is funny how these people that don't know anything about hip hop, think the one producer they know must've invented everything.
>>16094Do you mean allism? Every drummer I've met in person was autistic.
>>16059>The Soviet Union, meanwhile, had public orchestras play for the people out in the open free of charge. Is this true?
>>16059Producers were always “god-men” in pop music, idiot. Phil Spector?
>Our music today is disgusting
<chaotic, distorted and off-kilter.
You mean God's divine Creation which he created for me and you? Sounds like you're a soulless degenerate 😏
>turned producers into god-men
Wagner's proto-nazi Triumph of the Will ideology…Kanye's neoliberal-to-nazi ideology, hmmmm
>China bans hip hop and teachers its youth classical music as any socialist nation should
Everyone immediately recognizes the careerist petite bourgeois "Tiger Mom" (JD Vance's college professor wrote a book about that) who forces their child to practice the Suzuki violin method is PMC bourgeois culture, not proletarian at all
>Our music today is disgusting. Most of it is chaotic, distorted and off-kilter.
I wish the second part was real
roger cruton, mmmmmmmm
>>16085>>16108>>16112This actually makes a much better case for OP. In a Soviet America, a musically gifted black boy from Detroit would be sent to an elite musical academy where he would learn how to compose beautiful, complex symphonies. He wouldn’t have to resort to pushing buttons on a sampler to make music but would be taught the highest of musical art form.
Look at China: they ban hip hop almost entirely. They don’t give their schoolchildren MPCs and teach them to “sample” but instead focus on teaching their children how to play classical music using legitimate instruments. MPCs and other samplers are products of the ghetto. The goal of socialism is NOT to romanticize the ghetto but to universalize the beauty that was once previously enjoyed only by aristocrats. It’s the same reason why the USSR had public classical music concerts and covered its buildings, subways and public spaces with SOCIALIST REALIST art.
What’s interesting is how Detroit also used to be covered in Socialist Realist murals like those of Diego Rivera during the New Deal. You saw paintings that turned auto workers into heroes. Now Detroit is ground zero for ugliness in America. If beauty is our second creator, what kind of people is ugliness creating?
>>16114>>16115Ugly begets ugly.
Detroit needs legitimate music and legitimate art to do away with Malthusian and anti-human thinking.
>>16115If this is Detroit, why are all the workers white?
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