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 No.161

This thread is for investigating occult and magical methods for bringing about a leftist cause.

This is certainly not anything new, as something that promises as much power as magic will always be linked with politics. In fact there are a few interesting stories surrounding this that goes beyond tick-tock ‘witches’ trying to hex trump or something. Rosicrucianism itself had many ties with revolutionary politics, because it’s ideology was based around bringing an esoteric revolution upon the world itself, but one manifestation of this ideology was the Order of the Elus Coen. Now make no mistake, this order was full of aristocrats and slave owners, hardly revolutionaries - but strange coincides were abound concerning this order. The order, unlike orders such as the Golden Dawn, was not only focused on bringing about a change within the members themselves but also bringing about a change in the outside world in order to reintegrate it back from it’s fallen state. They would exorcise demons, bringing them back into the light with power of angels. All in all, they wanted to hurry up the process in which Christ would return and the will of God be fulfilled. That in itself is simple, but there is a strange timing to all of this. The order was located all around France, and was founded in 1767 and officially lasted until 1781 (though it still unofficially existed for some time) - 7 years before the French Revolution. One important member, and close apprentice of the founder (Martines Pasqually) was enthusiastic about the French Revolution despite being an aristocrat, calling it ‘a miniature of the Final Judgment’ and God’s will being made manifest. May I ask, could it be?

Occultist and member of the OTO Grady McMurty wrote a thesis linking Marxism and magic, which you can read here
https://corneliuspublications.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/GradyLouisMcMurtryMAThesis.pdf

 No.167

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Based
We should definetly use any means for producing power in the material world. At this point in time the bourgeoisie is the one keeping secret rituals and knowledge for their advantage.

 No.172

I have been unironically asking myself if occultism is in anyway compatible with leftism. It always seemed dominated by right wingers, for better and for worse.
I don't count witchy mommies on tiktok.

 No.178

>>172
If the secrets of the universe and reality are present, then you shouldn’t really give a shit who it’s most associated with. Would you say science is left or right wing? Saying science is a right wing thing gives power to the right wing, allowing the right wing to be the sole users of something as powerful as magick and occult methodology would only vastly weaken the left.

Thus I say stop being spooked by what the right wing is doing, and focus on what we could be doing to greater our cause. Even a materialist must understand that investing in occultism will naturally get spiritually inclined people to join our cause, thus making our cause more likely, especially if they see the traditional right get spooked by this stuff.

 No.184

>>172
>if occultism is in anyway compatible with leftism
Not at all.

>It always seemed dominated by right wingers

For a reason. Esoterism is for idiots.

 No.191

>>184
It makes as much sense to claim that as it is to claim that eating ice cream is incompatible with leftism, that is your logic isn’t based on any integral part of leftism at all.

You are simply planting your flag on the ideology and saying ‘I don’t like x but I like y, so everybody who follows y shouldn’t x’ and that’s all it ever was. Like a parasite, you are forcing y and x together for the sake of promoting your views on x even while these two aspects don’t need each other. It’s intellectual dishonesty at its finest. And you can go on and on in a bullshit argument about how x is actually a because of some latent ideas you managed to extract upon it, but it’s all clear bullshit since I can just as easily argue that x is in fact latently y, but we both know that all the worthless theory we spew out about x doesn’t matter because the simple fact is that no one in reality actually cares. If somebody wasn’t to be pro x and y there is nothing stoping them for doing so, and if somebody wants to be pro x and z then there is no stopping them, without practice theory falls about so you shouldn’t bother with theory that fails at practice. See how the leader of the British communist party was Muslim at this point, thus proving any theory the people here sprout concerning Islam and communism is worthless since it was debunked in the practice of reality.

 No.199

>>191
Tl;dr: it’s never incompatible with leftism, just your version of it. Which is fine concerning you and you only, but don’t go around claiming your specific internal philosophy is the only leftism there is.

 No.207

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>>184
The occult is in no way, shape, or form incompatible with Leftism. Esoterica has usually been the force in mainstream religious movements pulling the rank and file away from reactionary lurches.

>"But anon, isn't the occult the purview of feudalist cultures?"

Sometimes. But just because something was associated with them doesn't mean there's an inextricable link. The esoteric system of the Egyptians and their palace economy was the closest thing to a socialized system in the ancient world (provided we ignore that palace economy implies a hereditary monarchy with totalized ownership of product). While some may point to Tibet as an example of this, your common monk has no more political power than anyone else, and the Lamastic government in Tibet need not be the only system, and it certainly wasn't when Padmasambhava went there, and even for a few hundred years afterward - it was the egalitarian force disrupting society and thus was subject to suppression by Bon proponents. China even seems fine with Vajrayana so long as it's not actually propagating nationalism, actively supporting the Dorje Shugden factionalists - whether or not you view this as simply a wedge to divide and conquer, they are doing it. In Germany, though the Winter King, Frederick the Elector Palatine, was CERTAINLY a ruling aristocrat, his interest in alchemy was a liberalizing force given his belief in an esoteric utopia. In England, tradesman cults like Horseman's Word, Miller's Word, and the Bonesmen were essentially primitive trade unions, gating membership by passing through occult rites, securing wages against exploitative bosses, and they would eventually contribute to Traditional Witchcraft movements that have now become quite popular.

>but what about the idiots

Buddhist logicians moved away from binary logic thousands of years before we would. Their theorists of mind have a stronger grasp on cognitive psychology than our clinicians. Abhinavagupta was a polymath whose insights to aesthetics are largely responsible for codifying India's methods of dance and music giving rise, many steps removed, to Bollywood Newton was interested in alchemy. Dee was one of England's foremost mathematicians and intellectuals and held discourse with angels. Hegel may have had some interest in the Hermetic. Crowley tried his hand at solving long standing problems in formal logic that plague us to this day. To be anti-occult is in fact to be anti intellectual.

>>167
It has been my lifelong project to Seize the Means of Initiation away from cloistered groups that simply seek to recreate Capital in their closed ranks. Liberation need not be confined to the chains of political and economic life, but can be applied to spiritual life as well. As such, I'm posting my library, 55gb of rare, academic, unpublished, hard to find, or otherwise difficult to procure occult materials, curated specifically against New Age excess for traditional resources, collaboratively assembled by a team of, largely, Marxists on /x/. These include Crowley's unpublished rituals, diaries, letters, notes, manuscripts, typescripts, commentaries and the like, a huge amount of Tantra, the most complete file of Andrew Chumbley's traditional witchcraft assembled online, and much MUCH more.

Library link: mega.nz/folder/jlEwhYyJ#iK4mVC4y5iwk_cr3eIpX4g

Whether you're a Posadist Mystic omegadosing on ketamine to commune with the Dolphin Hivemind, a Syndicalist trying to strengthen the bonds of Union, or just a Leninist who wants to see exactly how badly the Whites fucked up by forging the Protocols, the library WILL have something for you.

>“Hence, our motto must be: reform of consciousness not through dogmas, but by analysing the mystical consciousness that is unintelligible to itself, whether it manifests itself in a religious or a political form.”

~Karl Marx to Ruge Kreuznach, Sept 1843

https://youtu.be/mPTCq3LiZSE

((I may make a library thread if there seems to be interest))

 No.215

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 No.222

National socialism is occult politics looks like

 No.230

>>222
NatSoc bullshit is all about aesthetics. None of them know what the Sonnenrad actually is beyond maybe a sun symbol because one they don't actually know semiotics and two the archaeological record has the object as a decorative item of really vague provenance.

NatSocs are appropriative. They will take anything and everything and try to forge an imagined legitimacy. Hitler's own statements on religion appear to have been tailored to his audience in that very moment, pro religion in one speech, anti in another, generally with a negative view of the occult itself, but appropriating some symbols for his public shows of power. Some chucklefuck's might have gone to Tibet in search of the True Aryan Race but none of these people gave a single watery shit about what those people believed, practiced, or thought, they just took some skull measurements and fucked off. Hitler wasn't out here promulgating the Dharma for the benefit of All Sentient Beings he just slapped a symbol on his flag that he thought looked kinda cool.

In a roundabout way this is the same problem we see with like Andrew Chumbley (a trad witchcraft dude) in the occult community - he put out some texts that, if you squinted, maybe seem dark and sinister but really legit are not. These materials were then appropriated by edgelord Klipot "theistic satanist" assholes so now when people see Chumbley's work they point at him and say SEE he's a Darque Edgelord when it's extremely not the case. And we're letting the NatSocs do the exact same thing by staking out ownership over a symbol set and field of study that probably covers close to two billion people if we count all the systems that have a swastika in their iconography plus "Western" esoterica in the broadest general sense.

If we let the Nazis, historical or extremely online, own everything they brush their grubby little fingers against we're going to be living in a rapidly shrinking world until not even praxis remains and all we're doing is shitposting on a niche webs— Oh. Wait. That's already happening. While I would debate the merits of individual folks trying to talk the Esoteric Hitlerists off the cliff (it certainly isn't worthwhile for everyone to be doing - one nerd should not be your praxis), it cannot be denied that having folks well versed in some of this shit placed in esoteric communities can help control the amount of NatSocs infiltrating local occult interest groups after wanking super hard to the Northman or whatever. Capitalism and it's defense has a huge number of onramps placed through culture and the left, frankly, doesn't have a ton of effective ones. I'd rather see an extremely pro union small local circle of esoteric philosophers than, again, another cell just trying to recreate the structures and attitudes of capital in their little elitist circlejerk.


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