No.501778
>>501774The picture attached to the thread's starting topic is nonce fan art for a nonce title for a nonce medium
Therefore, pointing out the noncery associated with the OP picture is entirely on topic, since the nonce picture is attached to the post that started the topic in the first place
No.501779
>>501778i agree that it's on topic though
No.501783
who homu here
No.501804
TOTAL ALLISTIC DEATH
No.501807
Where can I meet autistic girls to dick down?
No.501808
TOTAL ALLISTIC SÉX
No.501810
My partner has ASD and I'm very over it.
It's too much work. All the time. And despite multiple conversations, and trying to make frameworks that he can follow and he mostly designed, he just… Doesn't.
I'm so tired of working with people with Autism over a certain level.
No.501812
>>501810that sucks, hardly exclusive to autism though
No.501821
whoaaaaa dude this fictional character is literally me (autistic)
No.501822
>>501812yeah when i noticed i hated bipolars, autists, adhders, normies, etc i realized i actually just hate annoying people. being dumb and annoying is universal
No.501823
>>501819yeah, unfortunately i don't end up refusing it because i know that i do actually need the help. i feel weird knowing that i'm pathetic
No.501824
>>501819As a child I was told my ADHD made my "creative" or whatever the fuck but when I grew up and actually read on it it turns out it's just mental retardation.
No.501848
I'm feeling burned out with life.
No.501849
>>501824well they dont wanna crush kids dreams what can you do
No.501944
>>501849Adults should crush kids dreams more often.
No.501947
Are autistic girls easier to manipulate into sex?
No.502355
the internet is extremely unfriendly to autists
cringe culture was a massive fuck-up
besides like the chinlets and the smug teenagers, add on top tumblrites that are extremely uncharitable over you not following their hyperspecific behavioral norms
No.502363
>>501810>trying to make frameworks that he can followwut
you're probably the toxic, abusive one here considering the weird paternalistic language for a supposedly intimate relationship
you also probably are really, really shitty at communicating (ironic) so you fall back on therapy speak
No.502364
>>502355>the internet is extremely unfriendly to autistsWhy are autists the most online then? The internet is the most autistic form of communication ever created.
No.502366
>>502364i can tell you cant think outside of cliches at
you ignored basically my whole post just to focus on a specific bit that let you vomit out "haha terminally online people are le autistic"
No.502417
>>502416lol don't worry anon. you mean disposable plastics recycling? I do that too but here there's just a big cage in some supermarkets you can dump it into
it's fine I doubt the employee even will remember in a few days
No.502419
sometimes i feel too autistic for the normals and too "normal" for the fellow neurodivergents an isolatinjg experience uwehhhhhh :(
No.502420
>>502355>socialization means adapting to other people's norms and other people adapting to your persona normsstop the fucking presses
>>502364yeah i love the pretense that autists do not do this themselves too
No.502421
>>502419god yeah, I know what you mean, I have the obvious issues with normalfags but I don't connect with low functioning autistics either and even the more high functioning people that let their freak flags fly and unapologetically devote themselves to their special interests, I find too embarrassing to do myself even though I kinda want to
No.502422
>>502366>haha terminally online people are le autisticsorry according to autists online these days literally anything means you have autism and are valid
No.502424
>>502423oh i know that already
No.502456
>>502424You are a stupid faggot mongoloid
No.502486
Every moment I spend with autists makes me a little bit more ableist. Way too many spergers have no perception of how bad their condition is.
No.502490
>>502486How often do you meet autistic people? I don't think I've ever seen one.
No.502531
>>502486Autists IRL are cool, but the autists I've met on social media are the worst.
No.502706
>>502416>I must have sounded like a Crank Yankers character or somethingThat's just the standard of people who call retail employees over the phone
No.502723
>>502422why do conservatives love bringing up absolutely random shit that is clearly bothering them and acting like it's some kind of mic drop
No.502724
>>502723solipsism. they meet people they don't like in anecdotal experiences and then extend those experiences to apply to everyone belonging to that group of people.
No.502725
>>501949People on these dating shows are ALWAYS bourgeoisie 🔥
No.502726
>>502723did you have to rub two neurons together to realize that person is annoyed by what they described lol
No.502728
also
>calling others "conservatives" for disagreeing with you
<youre mad therefore wrong
literally conservatard logic
No.502729
>>502486Annoying people are everywhere. Stop the faulty pattern noticing.
No.502730
>>502729that anon thinks he's a genius analyzer
>>502728i called anon conservative because they have very trite bigoted beliefs and they generally post like a smug MAGA boomer
No.502732
>>502730youre reading way too hard into things. making fun of mental health advocates posting random shit on the internet doesnt make you a con
No.502735
>>502734but they havent made a single argument lol
No.502739
>>502734>>502738Here comes Shay to make filler posts only as an excuse to post his unfunny garbage taken from twitter or fedcord.
No.502740
>>502730>>502723Anyway your experience of whatever X disorder you have is valid but your experience of X is not X. X can be a million different symptom presentations.
No.502816
>>502734is that anime girl autistic?
No.502876
>>502486Go ahead and list what behavior makes you a more ableist that people with autism have no perception of.
No.502905
the world would be utopia if we could jusst eradicate all journalist and journalism and news media and ppl who contribute to news media organization.
No.502952
some autists good, some autists bad
mic drop
No.502957
>>502952are you saying we consider people as individuals??
No.502985
What's the point of this thread? Isn't everyone on this site autistic? I can't imagine anyone posting here or on any image board for that matter if they don't have some kind of autism spectrum disorder.
No.502986
>>502985My autism screener would go like this:
>Do you post on image boards?+5 Everyday
+4 Frequently
+3 Every now and then
+2 I used to but not anymore
+0 What's an image board?
No.503000
>>502490Coworkers, political meetings, demos, cons
>>502531There's a skew, but I disagree that there is a difference in experience or even in attitude from the autist. It is, at best, a difference in volume.
>>502876Fickle judgements on others, lecturing on topics they know nothing about, flippant or aloof attitude on anything outside of their fixations.
And that's not what irks me. Everyone does one of these at one point or another. It is the insistence on being right and capable (ie, that these judgements and behaviors are not their condition) is what sets "autists" apart from every other group to me. It is the petite bourgeois complex.
No.503063
>>503000I don't think any of the things you've listed are due to autism.
No.503065
Stop taking his bait please.
No.503123
>>503000>>503063I was gonna write a post about this but ig thanks for making the point so clear.
I have two autistic coworkers, and one is exactly all the bad things you described, plus she gets overwhelmed and shuts down / has little meltdown at bad times (like, precisely when we need to figure something out/get smth done), and she has just an overall sense of superiority (maybe due to upbringing). All of this can be annoying.
But the other coworker doesn't have any pride, doesn't take on excessive work, I've never seen her have a meltdown or anything, and so her autistic traits come through in a positive way. She's very social, and socializes in an unusual way, kind of making rounds like a little politician or smth (thats kind of aspirational for me, since u need that carelessness to organize it seems like). She's hyperfixated on totally benign things, and I think that's a plus, since it's not anything that other people care about (i.e. she's not going to be drawn into narcissistic modes of socializing because her zones of competency are not so conspicuous or socially valued, she's just into stuff for her own gratification). And another thing I noticed is that she really just goes with the flow, like 0 neuroticism, as far as social things. Idk for me this is also a very typically autistic trait, since its more a lack of obsessive characteristics regarding unspoken social rules. It's very accommodating to queer ppl specifically.
Between these I think there are some genuinely positive aspects of autism (Not being as subject to arbitrary social rules, which tend to be against all the forms of genuine, caring, solidaristic socializing we need in order to organize; Interests/passions not centered around visibility and social validation, instead centered around innate gratification) and some genuinely negative (lack of emotional and sensory regulation, and often impaired connection to body's needs which allows for acclimating more easily to increased pace of work [obviously this is bad for coworkers, and still inevitably results in burnout because we're human]).
But an autist with prideful/supremacist/narcissistic characteristics…. that is truly a menace, I agree. And many people have such characteristics - likely both because youth tend to score much higher on narcissistic traits and many people don't mature must past that (not to mention autism is a developmental thing supposedly - tho tbqh most ppl seem developmentally stunted, just not in an autistic way?), and our culture promotes these characteristics.
No.503125
>>503123are you sure you don't have autism yourself?
No.503269
>>503125comrade I am posting on leftypol dot org, of course I have autism too
No.503303
>>503123Since you wrote such a nice post, I'm going to tip my hand: yeah, I actually don't mind most autists (or consider "autism" descriptive at all). Mostly wanted to vent over those traits I mentioned, and maybe clear up for some people here why they can get a strong response from others.
No.503306
>>502985I post on imageboards so that I can be mean and say outlsndish, life ruining things without consequence to myself or my loved ones.
We are not the same
No.503335
>>503303Well, I'm going to say that I don't think it's okay for you to say whenever you meet an autistic person that you get more ableist. That's like a racist in the closet saying whenever they have a bad encounter with a black person they turn a little more racist. You are the problem. There are going to be a variety of people you will meet and some of them are going to be bad. You are justified to dislike them personally, but ableism implies being blindly prejudicial and discriminatory towards all of them. I'm sure the response is going to be that you saying that was just a joke, but it's just as unacceptable as the racism analogy.
>>503123Regarding the first person you've mentioned. We have to consider that their greater propensity to have meltdown can be due to them not having sufficient support systems or none at all. We still live in a society where many people know next to nothing about autism (I'm not from the US so that's especially the case where I live) so people with autism grow up with little to no support and may continue to have little to no support in adulthood, while society is still laid out in a way that is unforgiving and harsh towards psychological and social differences of autistic people. Merely coming off as weird leads to bullying, gossping and people avoiding you and autistic people are generally that to allistic people for the most mondane things such as their tone or expressions being unusual. Autistic people grow up maldeveloped because their social/psychological needs aren't met while also being dealt harm through bullying. The latter person may very well be someone who had the privelege of getting the support they need so they are more resilient and also developed a better character while the former did not. Growing up bad makes it likelier people grow up to become shitty people.
No.503392
hate working with autists
makes me want to kill myself
No.503443
>>503335uh oh you did a heccin ableism, now the world is 0,0000000001% worse
No.503446
>>503335>>503445imagine having this strong of a reaction to some rando doing a silly hyperbole on an imageboard, like no wonder people dont like you
No.503447
>>503123like others have pointed out above the same mental disorders can manifest in wildly different ways depending on the person. human brains are interesting like that
No.503454
>>503446You are in an autism support thread and replied by saying discrimination against autistic people is irrelevant. I‘m not gaslit into believing I‘m the problem.
No.503594
Autists be like:
>i have no worth to society, please take care of me
>also, i will ruin the internet by filling it up with my cringe and mentally ill babble, thanks for the autismbux wagie
No.503674
>>503594ingrates
But also the other guy's been a twat
You can make a point without being a twat
If you can't maybe you are just stupid
No.503730
>>503594sounds like a good plan to me
No.503748
While browsing this thread I imagine all the posts are made by women and jerk off.
No.503753
>>503748Trans women maybe
No.503754
who else cis male with girl autism?
No.503757
>>503755its more common than you think
No.503760
>>503754What does that mean? Do you like hello kitty and throwing rocks at people?
No.503763
>>503760That sounds kinda based ngl.
No.503794
>>503766
penis
No.505049
>>504651how i calibrated socially in my younger years
No.505054
>>504651that sounds depressing
No.505056
>>504651No, I calibrated my social skills with trial and error through the Pisscord servers.
No.505521
>>501949Is this worth watching?
No.505983
>>501810>partner>angry at an autistOk liberal
No.505984
>>502363I second that. They’re probably a normie who refuses to be analytical. It’s extremely easy to do.
No.505989
>>503000>It is the insistence on being right and capableSo you’re angry at arrogant people?
No.505992
>>502419I feel the same way. It’s the point where you can’t wear a mask yet you’re not fucked in the head enough for the completely dysfunctional ones.
No.506451
>>503123>But an autist with prideful/supremacist/narcissistic characteristics…. that is truly a menace, I agree. And many people have such characteristics - likely both because youth tend to score much higher on narcissistic traits and many people don't mature must past that (not to mention autism is a developmental thing supposedly - tho tbqh most ppl seem developmentally stunted, just not in an autistic way?), and our culture promotes these characteristics.I think narcissism is an overused term thats thrown around especially against young people.
( Alot of behaviors we condemn youth for are common and accepted from older men)
Very few people can be narcissistic. Many people are assholes but few are narcissistic assholes.
Donald Trump is the closest I would consider a narcissist.
No.506454
having autism sucks. even high functioning 'tism. drugs help tho, harder the better.
No.506584
>>506444you eat it, and you try not to gag… over and over. Don't overwhelm yourself with it tho, space it out and make it normal. Eat a little every day. Try cooking them better too. Brassicas e.g. have to be well cooked to be digestible at all.
>>506451is this nugene?
I'm not "throwing" anything "around" with saying youth tending to have more narcissistic traits, if you want to challenge it then jump into the scientific discourse (which isn't here, but like get involved in learning the research and scholarly critique, etc.). But it's not even a bad thing, narcissism is due in part to a weak sense of identity (natural for new people to have), characteristically narcissistic defenses can be triggered by being around narcissists and likely in structures that value similar things (e.g. status), and the central narcissistic defense, idealization/devaluation, is pushed actively on kids by adults because they want to be idealized and treated as all-knowing, all-powerful etc. There's no shame in these things and I'm not talking within a DSM framework of NPD, but the broader spectrum of narcissism (e.g. in personality style) and narcissistic traits.
>( Alot of behaviors we condemn youth for are common and accepted from older men)Let's change that then! We can do it together. Old men
should be held accountable for being domineering, having their personal sense of value tied to their property or their control of others (often women and children, or employees), and all other narcissistic traits. Comfortable old ppl with a proprietary mindset need to be made less comfortable.
>Very few people can be narcissistic. Many people are assholes but few are narcissistic assholes.Says who? Society shapes our traumas, what defenses we learn, normalized ways of relating to others, and so on. I think our society is deeply narcissistic, in the sense of fostering identity diffusion and placing in front of people an easy solution of relating to others as self-objects (and the fact of status/hierarchy being baked into our social relations, as well as commodities being explicitly marketed as status symbols) to patch the issue. I blame capitalism and class society generally. I'm absolutely using it in a lax sense, but it's not ungrounded from specific psychological clinical use. Obviously many more personalities and defenses exist in society (and one person can have multiple), but narcissistic ways of acting seem, 1) ingrained in our society at an institutional level via normalized hierarchies, 2) extremely common in forming the mode of socializing of existing groups, 3) default fall-back defenses for a majority of people under stress. Kind of analogous to how the most common 'leftist' or 'community' orgs are NGOs and non-profits, which follow a capitalist organizational structure. There's just a default in our society and breaking out is hard. Tbf tho I have no data on the actual commonness of various psychodynamic personalities. A guess would put narcissistic, depressive, and obsessive as the top ones. And idk, looking e.g. at hysteric dynamics, it's always been clearly commented on how it's produced by patriarchal relations. Why can't capitalist relations produce specific psychological manifestations?
>>506454I like kratom uwu
>>506461fr. Everyone should self-crit or die
No.507189
Karls Marx was likely autistic.
No.507201
>>501944Nah, then it's too easy to blame everything on the one adult, you have to let life under capitalism do that
No.507203
>>502488thats awesome mine just makes me want to kill myself
No.507207
>>506454I'm there with you, mushrooms are a great temporary treatment
No.507232
>>507189According to the retards in this thread everyone has autism.
No.507246
>>507232According to your mom you‘re a retard
No.507254
>>504651No. I don’t want to act like a soyboy
No.507306
>>503123autists are cute. CUTE!
No.507349
Why do normies get so triggered when you don’t get their jokes?
No.508784
why is /siberia/ so obsessed with autism
No.509888
Why am I so obsessed with fat people? Of all of my obsessions, it just had to be that and not particle physics.
No.509891
>>509888 (me)
I’m a diagnosed sperg by the way, I do have obsessions over other things such as trains and Chinese politics, but this is one of them as well.
No.509909
>>501944Actually, adults are the ones whom guilt trip kids into idealism then turn around and accuse them of being arrogant/entitled for having dreams.
No.509912
>>506454Kids with leukemia or Down Syndrome have better life prospects. In fact, autism is linked with higher chance of cancer.
Its the curse that never stops giving. Autism is proof that God has forsaken us.
>>503594I think those are high functioning autists whom wre the most obboxious online. Or semi-normal autists.
No.510178
>>509912life is unfair get over it
some people eat healthy and exercise all day but a lazy jackass who started smoking at the age of 6 will still outlive them all because he has good genetics
No.510183
>>510178t. copium
Of course you say that because you think autism is a non-issue.
A lazy jackass chronic smoker whom outlives healthy people is probably in alot of pain.
Unless they were smoking actual tobacco from the ground and not from the store.
No.510186
>>509912>autism is linked with higher chance of cancer.It's unlikely that autism has a physiological component. It's more likely that autistic behaviors result in a higher chance of cancer. If somebody with autism makes health and longevity an autistic obsession, like some other people do, it's likely that their chances of cancer will be normal.
No.510187
>>510186Autism does have a immunological defect. Its not just a neuropsychological disorder
No.510193
>>510187>immunological defectSo the cancers with a higher incidence rates among autists should be mostly related to the immune system, do you have evidence of that?
That anon does raise a good point, cause a lot of autists do neglect their health. For example lots of them are picky eaters.
No.510196
>>510183Tobacco 'from the ground' still gives you cancer
No.511598
so i guess theres no possible conciliation between normals and autists
No.513604
>>509893I just keep imagining them and talking about them. I find fat people to be extremely funny for some reason. I will occasionally say “fat fat fat” at work for no reason. I keep staring at fat people’s stomachs and imagining me poking them or throwing bowling balls at them.
It’s the weird random things that give me this annoyance with this condition.
No.513605
>>506454This is why the self-diagnosed maskers are spoiled and don’t know how bad it is. They won’t know what it’s like to be fired or unemployed for months or years on end.
No.513617
>>513605I think it is important to distinguish parts that suck inherently and those that suck because societal discrimination. If you cant get employed because boss doesnt like your vibe, the fault doesnt lie in you.
No.513666
I just want to be balls deep in autistic pussy.
No.513669
>>513666 (Cheka'd)
I want to have a pussy for neurotypical people to be balls deep in.
No.513735
>>513734My special childhood interest was astronomy.
From second grade to seventh.
Before that, it was medical biology.
No.513737
>>513734Philosophy and ideology. I don't really think I have autism, I am too "flexible".
No.513786
>>513734Mine used to be programming until I got a job doing it…
No.513788
>>513786Why, what changed?
No.513798
>>513788Work made me dread it.
No.513845
>>513734Mine is quantum physics and history, but like
>>513737 said i don't think i have autism.
No.513911
>>513860>Sorry if this is a chinlet take, but i don't like the neurodiversity movement.It kind of is because, like neurodivergent people themselves, the movement itself is diverse. There's a reason for why the saying is "when you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person." We're not all identical in our experiences.
>While probably not intentional, it feels like many of them shove autistics who express their pains with autism out of the way to tell people how great it is to be autistic, based on very little actual benefits of autism that could apply to all autistics, and moreso fuzzy "it's good because it makes me different" hollywood drivelTbf most autists I know and have met don't think they're special or anything, if anything in most cases they'd rather fit in but just don't know how. They're well aware that they're different from the majority and that's okay, they simply want to be understood and feel accepted by the larger society despite the fact that they're different. It's not that hard to understand.
>they go on about how even the idea of giving the former autistics the option to be cured is eugenics, chalk them up as "self hating autistics" and any issues with the disorder as a societal problem even when it's stuff like some autist being socially crippled to the point of not being able to make any friends or connect emotionally to anyone, or many of the deeper psychological problems that can arise from the disorder.There is no such thing as "former autistics," because autism is caused by the fact that their nerves are literally wired differently on a fundamental level from those of an allistic person so as a result their thought patterns are completely different, they get overstimulated more easily by their surroundings, and so on. There is a reason for why most autists who do find a partner end up pairing up with another neurodivergent. Eugenics was literally what was practiced on them when Asperger's Syndrome was first quantified because autists were classified based on whether they could work or whether they needed to be euthanized. There's a very good reason for why that's kind of a soft spot in the community, especially recently. The fact that autists become socially crippled and have no friends IS a societal problem because of the behavior that comes naturally to them due to their lack of social filters and self-censorship that allistic people have built-in with their own thought patterns. This causes autists to be ostracised and bullied in a society that is built for neurotypical needs and sensibilities while in a lot of cases having no support network that truly understands what their problem is, so they're gaslit and told that their problems are not real problems, that its all in their heads, and that they should just suck it up and move on. It's like if you put a person behind the wheel of a car and told them to drive without them having gone through the process of learning and getting a license first, sure might learn eventually purely through trial and error, but they're going to come out of it with some damage to both the person and the car. The difference here is that the neurotypical gets the instruction booklet with their subscription to life, whereas the autist doesn't. The solution here is not to deride because autists are not gonna disappear from society but to change society to be more accommodating to neurodivergent individuals. Give autists access to therapy (hell, I think many allistic people could probably use it too) and a support network of their peers, teach them what the social norms and conventions are without being a judgemental asshole, but most importantly, stop expecting us to be fucking mind-readers, and you'd be surprised at how quickly the problems disappear.
>And many of their takes also border on outright autistic supremacism seeing themselves as not equal, but SUPERIOR to non-autistics. Some of these #ActuallyAutistic tweets feel like reading 2015 ironic /r9k/ posts about how autists are superior to the normeez.Afaik this is literally only a thing that exists online, there is no existing autistic supremacy movement that exists outside the internet and even then, its a fringe part of the larger movement and most autistics, again, just want to be accepted for who they are. This is literally a non-issue on par with burgers who are worried about black supremacists taking over the larger black liberation movement, its not gonna happen. Why are you even worried about shit like this?
No.513912
>>513860>and any issues with the disorder as a societal problem even when it's stuff like some autist being socially crippled to the point of not being able to make any friends or connect emotionally to anyone or many of the deeper psychological problems that can arise from the disorder.The fallacy here is that every claim of alleged social deficits on the side of autists is framed in a universal and uncontextual manner which is rooted in assuming that the social dynamics that arise out of the allistic psychology are objectively right. It‘s taken so much as a given that it‘s not even considered as a factor.
The social deficits you speak of are in actuality the problems that arise out of people of differing cognitive types possessing a social intuition that is not congruent with the other. It‘s comparable to how people of different cultures can have conflict with one another because their behavior somehow offends the socialized sensibilities of the other while the other side is oblivious that they have apparently offended them.
The end product of the socializing person is not only determined by nurture though but also by biology. Allistic and autistic people have distinct psychological differences because of innate neurological differences. This subsequently impacts their social sensibilities, intuition and inclinations. Both have equal troubles understanding the other, but because allistics are in the majority they determine the greater social dynamic that naturally unfolds from their psychological inclinations. Allistics have a social advantage where they don‘t need to adapt to autistic people (and many people are ignorant of the concept of differing cognitive types so they aren’t even aware of this conundrum to begin with) so all burden to adapt and accommodate the other side is placed on autistic people. If autistic people behave in a manner that is authentic to them then by virtue of being different they will be bullied, excluded and ostracized. They don‘t have to do anything immoral or actually harmful, merely for behaving in a manner that allistic people perceive as odd will be met with social punishment. But this puts the autistic person in a difficult spot because their being is naturally different from allistics, so they will be odd to allistics by default. This perpetual pain of bullying and exclusion for being perceived as odd by allistics forces autistic people to adapt but they are put to a task that would be difficult for anybody. They must understand allistic psychology to then predict how allistics would interpret or feel about doing X to avoid doing it, which which is very difficult because as an autistic person you don’t feel the same way about the same behavior. You are left to guess something that is alien to your psychology. Autistics then have to change their behavior to not come off as odd, which goes against their own social intuition which is quite confusing to deal with. This is a mentally laborious task that is very exhausting. When autistic people fail at that, which many perpetually will in childhood and teenhood until they have properly learned how to mask in adulthood, the bullying and exclusion also strips them of other psychological needs such as acceptance, companionship and intimacy, which leaves them psychologically ill developed. Many autists suffer from PTSD because such social miss steps in the past often times resulted in social punishment. This is the real source of the autistic melt down. It doesn‘t come about because autism produces the inclination of autistic people to randomly experiencing a melt down, rather it‘s a combination of how exhausting it is to adapt to social dynamics that are alien to your social intuitions, being depraved of psychological needs all human beings have and PTSD from perpetual social punishment.
None of those consequences are traits inherent to autism itself, as if regardless of social context they would arise in a vacuum, but instead they are specifically brought about by being a cognitive type that is in the minority while the majority does not compromise with your natural differences whatsoever. If the roles were reversed and allistic people were in this situation you would experience the exact same problem. But by ignoring the factor of social context and by assuming autistic people are the only right way of being human one would conclude allistics are simply defect and all arising problems are innate to being allistic in itself.
>While probably not intentional, it feels like many of them shove autistics who express their pains with autism out of the way to tell people how great it is to be autisticThe pains autistic people express are never shoved away by autistic people and real allies, quite the contrary, they try to communicate and educate the rest of society about them to create a more understanding and tolerant relationship between autistic and allistic people. The reason why they speak of autism positively is because to frame autism solely as a defect is wrong and also puts a toll on the self-esteem of autistic people. There is no shortage of negative claims about autism, and autistic people are most aware of it. So don‘t worry, we won‘t live in a SJW dystopia any time soon where no autistic person is aware of the disadvantages that arise out of their conditions.
>they go on about how even the idea of giving the former autistics the option to be cured is eugenicsAutism can not be „cured“ just like being a black person can not be „cured“. That you even believe that would be an appropriate response stems from the fallacies I just explained above and is undoubtedly a eugenicist standpoint, regardless if you have no ill intent.
>based on very little actual benefits of autism that could apply to all autisticsThis is yet again a part of this eugenicist reasoning where autistic people have to prove their right to existence by having traits you deem positive. They don‘t. You merely have to accept that people exist that are not like yourself.
>And many of their takes also border on outright autistic supremacism seeing themselves as not equal, but SUPERIOR to non-autistics.Well, they probably think that because the allistic psychology is quite clearly geared towards maximizing one‘s social status and being a part of a group at all costs. That’s why allistics engage in harmful behavior to maintain or increase what they have in those regards, even at the cost of truth and justice. Meanwhile, the autistic psychology is devoid of a desire to attain higher social status, and the rather object oriented mind of autistic people makes them also socially self-less in a way. Autistic people don’t (intuitively) understand many of the behaviors of allistic people, not out of stupidity, but because it‘s foreign to their psychology. I don‘t go out of my way to feel superior to others, I never wanted things to signify higher social status, I never utilized exclusivity to fabricate an image of higher social worth, I never made fun of anyone for being different, I despise social manipulation to get a leg above others, I wondered since childhood why people aren‘t all unconditionally loving towards everyone. There simply is no need for this kind of social competition allistics always engage in. All of that looks blatantly irrational when you are devoid of any desire to engage in this behavior. I often heard the same opinion and experiences by other autistic people, so I am not surprised that autistic people would then conclude that they must be morally superior.
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On a side note, I find it pretty crazy how good ChatGPT is at summarizing rather complex statements. Here is a summary by ChatGPT
>>513860<Person A expresses skepticism and discomfort with the neurodiversity movement, particularly regarding its portrayal of autism.<They perceive that the movement tends to overlook the struggles and pains of individuals with autism, instead emphasizing the positives of being autistic without substantial evidence.<They criticize the movement for dismissing the idea of curing autism as eugenics and for exhibiting traits of autistic supremacism, where autistic individuals may see themselves as superior to non-autistic individuals.<Person A believes that some aspects of the movement resemble the rhetoric of superiority found in certain online communities.>>513911<They advocate for understanding the diversity within the neurodiversity movement, acknowledging that each individual's experience with autism is unique.<They reject the idea that autistic individuals believe they are superior or special, emphasizing instead their desire for acceptance and understanding from society.<They argue against the concept of curing autism, explaining that autism is an inherent aspect of an individual's neurology and should be accepted rather than treated as a defect.<They highlight the societal challenges faced by autistic individuals, such as ostracization and bullying, attributing these issues to a lack of understanding and accommodation for neurodivergent needs.<They refute the notion of autistic supremacy as primarily an online phenomenon, dismissing it as a fringe aspect of the broader neurodiversity movement and emphasizing the importance of acceptance and inclusion for autistic individuals in society.>>513912<Person B argues against the perception of social deficits in autistic individuals, asserting that differences in cognitive types lead to misunderstandings and conflicts in social interactions.<They highlight the social advantage held by allistic individuals due to their majority status, which places the burden of adaptation on autistic individuals.<Person B explains that the struggles faced by autistic individuals, such as bullying and exclusion, stem from societal norms favoring allistic behavior, not inherent traits of autism itself.<They emphasize the importance of understanding and accepting neurodiversity, rejecting the idea of "curing" autism as eugenicist and advocating for a more inclusive society.<Person B counters the notion of autistic supremacism by suggesting that differences in social behavior are rooted in neurological variances, rather than moral superiority. They argue that autistic individuals often exhibit less interest in social competition and manipulation, which may be perceived as moral superiority by some. No.513939
What the fuck is the difference between being neurodivergent and being an autist? I've seen non-autists label themselves as neurodivergent because they stim or something. It just seems like neurotypicals trying to get attention with yet another label, like those moronic DSM divas who self-diagnose themselves as having everything. I would argue people with a personality disorder, especially ASPD, are more qualified to call themselves neurodivergent, but these cretins insist otherwise.
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>>513939>What the fuck is the difference between being neurodivergent and being an autist?Neurodivergent just means you're not neurotypical, aka. a normie, a person that's part of the majority in terms of cognitive function. Being autistic means that you have a specific form of neurodivergence called "autism spectrum disorder", or ASD for short. All autists are classified as neurodivergents since they're not neurotypical, but not all neurodivergents are autists since the term also encompasses people with other disorders like schizophrenia, OCD, ADD, ADHD, BPD etc. As I understand it, there's some debate within the community about whether people who self-diagnose conditions like ASD are actually valid since getting a professional diagnosis is not an option for everyone, either because getting appointments takes forever or because it costs so much that its unaffordable for plenty of people who have little money to begin with. My personal view on the matter as someone who was officially diagnosed later in life when I was already an adult is that there's no real harm in self-diagnosis as long as the individuals in question don't use their platform to talk over others or act like they represent the whole community. I had suspicions long before my own diagnosis but got gaslit about not having ASD by my ignorant parents since I wasn't diagnosed as a kid, so I didn't seek a diagnosis on my own until I was in my 20s.
I hope this helped.
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>>513939"Neurodivergent" is just a general term encompassing all that are not right in the head: autists, cretins, the mentally ill. They are all considered to be neurodivergent, while normal people are considered to be neurotypical.
No.513965
>>513963Mentally ill people don't by themselves count as neurodivergent and to say "normal people are considered to be neurotypical" is about as useful of an explanation as saying a car is a car. Fuck off when you don't know what you are talking about.
No.513970
>>513965Mentally ill people's brain work differently from the typical therefore they are divergent, deal with it.
No.513971
>>513860Some people online just want to feel unique and good about themselves. As usual, it gets exxagerrated by some. While barely any autistic people actually think they're better, there is an issue here. It's represented by
>>513912Namely, it's that people do get very defensive over it.
Severe autism is still very much a terrible fate, it's just that mild forms are much more common. It's not a value-neutral difference when one of the possibilities is a continous spectre from a regular person to barely functioning at all. Black people aren't more likely to be unable to ever hold a job because of their own condition.
Saying that autism is value-neutral is just not founded in reality. The fact that you aren't functioning as well in many situations is a problem and a condition that has to be dealt with. While support structures are nice, there are many problems that they will never resolve. The sun will shine brightly and roads will be loud, and this will always be your problem. If anything, autism is one of the worst conditions to support people with just because of how many symptoms it has.
Having problems is uncomfortable, the fact that you are in the same group as non-functioning vegetables is uncomfortable, but all people have their own struggles in life. It's just the one you have to deal with. In the time you read this message, someone will have lost a limb in all the wars going on right now.
I saw people discounting experiences of autistic children's parents because they think it's a value-neutral thing, that parents should just shut up and do more. This is completely unfair and cruel, and you will understand this if you have even a little self-awareness and humility.
Of course, better therapy, accessibility, yada yada are necessary, but you're not gonna get it by lying to yourself or moralizing. Moralizing is not a call to action, it's an excuse to whine.
Also, the people who responded to the post missed the fact that curing autism here is a purely hypothetical choice. It's alright.
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>>513971>Saying that autism is value-neutralBut no one is saying that. Surely it is bad to be autistic in a majority allistic society that doesn‘t compromise for differences. My point rather was that the issues for autists are taken as innate when almost all of them are a consequence of social context. The only innate problem I can think of is sensory sensitivity. When it comes to autistic people who are „vegetables“ the problem is that they are mentally retarded and not that they are autistic.
>Also, the people who responded to the post missed the fact that curing autism here is a purely hypothetical choice. It's alright.You just said complete nonsense. There is no cure for autism.
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>>513860>>513971When the oppressed are told constantly by society almost from birth that they are inferior and fit to live only for slave labor or the sick entertainment of the Internet slime that comprises the Lolcow subculture, you shouldn't be surprised that resentment against this sometimes manifests in unhealthy beliefs like Black Supremacism or WrongPlanet idpol.
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>>513960Do you even tell people that you have autism? I couldn't get a diagnosis yet but if I got one and it turned out I was on the spectrum I would probably keep it a secret. I fear people will use it against me.
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>>514302Buddhism is trivially true
Om nam Shivaya
No.514304
>>514303the heck does that mean
No.514362
>>514304Trivially true = true without need for proof
The axiom of Buddhism "there is no self" can be observed empirically.
No.515205
I did shrooms 3 times in the span of 6 weeks and I find it much easier to feel empathy and recognize emotions nowadays. Very interesting.
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>>513912So if an autistic person is frustrated about their condition because they feel the bad outweighs the good, have been unable to have form human relationships and connections because of it and go on to express a desire for some sort of scientific fix in the future that will make them mentally wired more like a neurotypical person… they're just wrong and they should basically go fuck themselves?
What do you see in being autistic that makes you not wish you could have been born neurotypical instead? I know it sounds like a loaded troll question but i genuinely want to know what other autistics see in it, as someone who just wishes to have been born without this shit.
I don't really buy any of the "it's society's fault" stuff because even if society wasn't more accepting of autistics (when it really has become more accepting of them, with the view of curing autism becoming the minority and with the condition being often portrayed as a good thing). Life is still far easier for autistics than it must have been 40-50 years ago. I cannot imagine having been born autistic at a time before the internet existed, with likely no way whatsoever to learn how to socialize with people. Hell, autistics would probably fare much worse in a society where widespread alienation was less of a thing and inter-personal connections and cooperation were more important in everyday life.
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>>517994I would like to experiment on you with MDMA, LSD, psilocybin, and semi-synthetic opioids like oxycodone with complete wanton abandon as to pesky medical ethics. I believe this to be unfair if not outright cruel with Aspergers and autism, however I do believe my experimentation to be fully in line with a spirit of cleanliness if I'm doing it with antisocials, who themselves are mostly just gonna be like "so I get to get high for free? ok"
My suspicion is sociopath brains are way too neurotypical, I think I need real psychopaths.
There simply has to be a way to rewire somebody's brain hard enough they experience real empathy and true love. We don't have drugs triggering hardcore oxytocin excitation do we?
>>515305The alienation and isolation is intense and severe and total.
The thing that bugs me is now allll the assholes we was getting away from be coming on to the fucking internet so now I need to leave my precious internets and go dwell back in meatspace because the absolute worst of the bydlo masses be on here and only turbo accelerating that very mundane mass conformiing herd mentality of idiocy into the most psychotic stupid shit like trumptards, the gender shit I mean it's really bizarre seeing the way 80% of humanity is so fundamentally a follower that you can quite literally have a hive of us online, just doing our own thing, and it gets normalized and then the masses enforces it. Like verything from charismatic personality cults to Qboomers to the "there's no such thing as biological sex" to evolution denialism and climate change denial to the coofers burning masks in public to fat acceptance moverments.
It's fucking bizarre to me how malleable and spineless the idiot masses tend to be. All the moreso given that they are so freely willing to ostracize certain targeted others.
You do realize what this means, don't you? That given the preponderance of cat ladies and incels, with the stupidity of the way Western dating went, hookup culture, tinder, hoe culture, mass thottery, retarded chinlet incel culture. Basically I see a large ripe mass just ready for the plucking, throw your word like a burning match into the vast ocean of humanity and set it alight like a pool of gasoline. This is far easier to manipulate tens of millions of people at a time than you may think, and with the mass alienation and disillusionment that is literally an inescapable consequence of late stage Capital the day draws nearer that we can fling the great alienated masses at the corrupt demonic global elites and bring their whole despicable degenerative order come crashing down to build a new society upon its ashes.
We only need to give it one more gentle push in just the right way at the right time,
and sadly I discovered we are needing of actual officers. I want to accelerate that stateless and classless society as fast and hard as possible, we are going to somehow need a non-retarded version of chans in doing this, chantards are sadly the closest thing to a truly classless and stateless anarchist society we ever had achieved. Thankfully in a roundabout way it helps that chans got infiltrated and coopted by rightards, in the sense that it irreversibly altered their thinking by putting them in this new environment where they can actually experience leftism for a change and be literally forced from hierarchy.
The problem is I don;t know how to address that central default and imo defect of humankind to blithely assume a need for leadership roles and give up their own free agency while acting like cattle. This leaves, sadly, a whole lot of autists, schizotypals, and sociopaths in really sensitive higher echelon positions particularly during a transitional state. So we need that transitional state being as ephemeral as possible.
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>>515205We must exteriorize the spiritual hierarchy and get as many people consuming psilocybin mushrooms as possible for the ten year plan
I am actually not trying to be funny, I'm being blunt. How do we make sure there's enough psilocybin to permeate all strate of society for the 2025-2035 A.D. period of this timeline? I know we can convince leftists to do it. How do we open that third eye of the tradcons? [spoiler]it was literally put there by God and my actual hidden objective is ultimately a spiritual one[/spoiler]
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>>515305>So if an autistic person is frustrated about their condition because they feel the bad outweighs the good, have been unable to have form human relationships and connections because of it and go on to express a desire for some sort of scientific fix in the future that will make them mentally wired more like a neurotypical person… they're just wrong and they should basically go fuck themselves?Well, they can't be wrong about how they feel and what they desire. My point was that I think it's wrong to frame autism's problem as innate when it's actually socially contextual.
>What do you see in being autistic that makes you not wish you could have been born neurotypical instead?I addressed that in my last paragraph. I do think the allistic cognitive type has various biases and heuristics aimed at maximizing social status and prioritizing one's position in social relations that are short sighted and harmful, and it seems allistics are not even aware of the irrationality of their behavior from the perspective of their own psychology. It seems to be only apparent as an outsider who is devoid of that.
Don't get me wrong though, I am well aware of the mountain of problems that also come with autism. I have plenty of painful experiences as well that relate to my ineptness to integrate in allistic society and have worked very, very hard to do so. That doesn't lead me to shun my autism because I genuinely don't believe autism itself is the problem, for the reasons I have stated.
>Life is still far easier for autistics than it must have been 40-50 years ago.Life would become much easier for autistics if what I explained would become mainstream opinion. Your problem isn't an inability to connect with people, your problem is an inability to connect with allistics, but that's a problem that goes both ways. You would have been much more able to connect with them in a world that thoroughly understands autism and compromises for differences, which today is still insufficiently the case.
What's necessary is that autistic people have the power to assert their own self-conception and for their experiences and opinions to influence our understanding of what autism is, not merely out of some sort of identity politics, but because that insight is necessary to have a full grasp of autism and neurodiversity. If autism continues to only be seen as a disorder based on the premise that being allistic is the only right way of being human then you will continue to suffer.
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